Why the Alpha Myth is Wrong Twice

Discover why the alpha myth in dog training is wrong not once, but twice in this enlightening video. Delving into the scientific evidence, we dissect the outdated beliefs surrounding the alpha concept and reveal two significant misconceptions that persist in traditional dog training.
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[@canine-solutions-with-jw]

ın my opinion The "alpha myth" refers to the popular belief that wolves and domestic dogs operate in a dominance hierarchy where an "alpha" individual holds a position of leadership and asserts dominance over others. This concept has been widely misinterpreted and applied to dog training and behavior. However, the alpha myth is considered incorrect for two main reasons: 1. Misunderstanding of Wolf Pack Behavior: The concept of alpha wolves dominating a pack originated from studies conducted on captive wolves in the mid-20th century. Further research on wild wolf packs has shown that they are typically family units consisting of a breeding pair and their offspring. Wolves in these packs cooperate and work together for survival, rather than engaging in constant dominance struggles. 1. Dogs Are Not Wolves: Domestic dogs have undergone significant genetic and behavioral changes during the process of domestication. They have distinct social structures and behaviors that differ from those of wolves. Applying wolf pack dynamics to dog behavior oversimplifies the complexity of dog socialization and can lead to ineffective or harmful training methods. Modern understanding of dog behavior emphasizes positive reinforcement, clear communication, and building a strong bond based on trust and mutual respect. Training methods that focus on force, dominance, or asserting "alpha" status can be detrimental to the dog's well-being and damage the human-dog relationship. It's important to rely on up-to-date scientific research and evidence-based training methods when working with dogs, rather than perpetuating outdated and inaccurate alpha-based theories.

[@animalssolutions]

👍👍👍👍

[@Duke49th]

Yeah blah blah. I have 5 dogs. And yes there is a dominant leader. I don't care what you want to call him. But the rank order in those 5 dogs are clear. Can bee seen the best when they are going to eat, but also in other situations. Not saying that nonsense of "dont let your dogs sleep in your bed" or "you always must go through a door first" is valid. My dogs sleep in my bed and I let them go through the door first (impractical in many situations to force myself through the door first). Yet I see myself as the "Alpha" as I am simply the boss in the house and they have to do what I say.

[@ChaseFraser]

@@Duke49th We also have a family dog pack which naturally has a hierarchy. It's clear as day that some dogs won't mess with others and we didn't even have any influence on that dynamic. Best example was my dog Bella who had very intense resource guarding issues when we first got her. She'd lunge and snap at any dog that went near her while she ate, but one dog in the family named Karma was easily the top of the group. She was stable and confident and the other dogs loved her but if they messed around she wouldn't hesitate to let them know (she was also part husky so was very vocal). One time she went up beside Bella's food dish and got a kibble that had fallen out and Bella just let her take it. We couldn't believe it haha at that point Bella was going nuts at any dog that went near her food but her one exception was the one and only Karma!

[@RobinaDunstan]

Stating that the position of leader (the Alpha) haa been debunked is disingenuous. It's being refined but Up to date? The latest peer reviewed paper that holds canids do operate within a social structure headed by an alpha was published on 23 September 2023. There is an abundance of discussion in regards to Social Rank Hierarchy. The research in this paper did include recent research monitoring the Yellowstone pack of wolves. It further showed that there is a position called 'an alpha'. A social structure in the Canidae requires a leadership position (s). The 'alpha' position has benefits. Breeding, reproducing, deciding who belongs in the group, etc. But how or perhaps better why one member becomes the leader and the fludity of the pack structure is something that's not quite understood. The structure absolutely exists. It must if one believes wolves or dogs live within a pack and are not independent of each other.. How that list of candidates is organized and reorganized is the open question. Every ship needs a Captain; every Army a general. The principle called 'social ranking theory' or 'social hierarchy' in sociology, psychology, neuropsychology and biology still exists. Having worked with a wide variety of working dogs as part of breeding, training, competing and handling strong high drive dogs, I absolutely need to be in charge of my little group of nine dogs. We operate efficently within social dominance theory. Pack theory was an interest of mine. African Wild Dogs have been determined to have a pack structure with an alpha male and female via molecular genetic analysis, a hard science Coyotes have a much looser social structure with males occasionally dropping off and back. But the premise of the Coyote pack still has a logical alpha male and female. male and female who 😊

[@KathySierraVideo]

My sister went to her first puppy “obedience” class. The trainer warned them that if the puppy sits next to you and then puts a paw on you, they are trying to “dominate” and “be the alpha” 🤦🏼‍♀️. And if this nonsense is strong in the dog training world, oh wow is it pervasive in the *horse* world 😢.

[@crotchet1586]

🙁

[@janhankins911]

I hope she walked out and found another puppy class!! Puppy class shouldn't be about "obedience" (although puppies often learn sit and the beginning of walking on a leash nicely and stay--but you can't expect most puppies to "master" those). Puppy class should be about socialization, learning to communicate with your dog, and learning positive methods to train your dog.

[@MegynStagner]

Yes my dog does that then rolls over onto her back half on top of the person, yeah she’s definitely trying to “dominate” me

[@Duke49th]

Well yeah - that trainer is an idiot. And that is the same nonsense as saying there is no "Alpha" or pack order in dogs. Both ways/philosophies are simply bullshit. Yes a dog can sit on you, sleep in your bed, walk through a door first - and is not the alpha or dominant or dominates you. Yet denying that there are orders in a pack and that one dog is often the Alpha of that pack and that others rank themselves below him/her (without fighting!) is also pure nonsense. Again on KZbin there seem to be only extremists.

[@AF-tj1cp]

My dog puts his paw on me when I'm patting him, and I feel as though he is trying to tell me how much he appreciates the affection.

[@tmm4119]

Zak I would love to see you interview or chat with scientists involved in current research about dog behavior, training etc and discuss with more detail what’s been tested, what they’ve found etc, like straight from the horse’s mouth kinda thing, because that may also help convince more people that the dominance training and alpha leader ideas are outdated and wrong, I still hear people say those terms and it really bothers me

[@MegynStagner]

That’s a good idea

[@rob6362]

They are a thing. Look at packed street dogs, wild dogs, etc. that’s a fact. I’d love to see Zak George actually train a large aggressive dog. That would be a hilarious video.

[@MegynStagner]

@@rob6362 is there proof that they actually do that? Not being rude but if you have an article I can read I would love to and second street dogs may just do that because they are forced to fight for resources or it is the parent of the rest, but even if it was true it is also true that with many dogs alpha training leads to fear aggression.

[@vicevestra]

@@MegynStagnerYou guys and your articles. Just search up mexico pack dogs or Brazilian pack dogs…

[@AlexSpieslechner]

@rob6362 your „fact“ is complete nonsense. feral dogs live in loosely organized social groups of 2-6 animals. they are mostly led by the elder, more experienced and stable animals. (see Boitani et al)

[@KS-yv7tw]

As soon as I awakened enough to see what my dog really was. This beautiful creature who really tries to do her best always with this complete unconditional love for me, I totally changed my mindset in training. She can never never annoy me, ever. I appreciate so completely the dogness of her. Whatever she does is what I should expect. I just continue communicating with her the best I can to teach her what she needs to know. We get on brilliantly

[@louskimming4371]

That is called leadership, and alphas are leaders. Brutal people speaking about being the alpha have no idea what an alpha is. There are ultimate decision makers and your being that actually relieves stress in your dog. Furthermore, alpha doesn't require that the leader can not also be a follower, a dog may initiate affection, wanting you to give them some, play, etc. Alpha requires give and take, dogs don't like tyrants. No one does.

[@gmule3290]

Please keep your dog away from the rest of us 🙂 We don't want to be jumped on, our dogs don't want your dog in their face, and we don't want to hear her barking. Thank you!

[@KS-yv7tw]

@@gmule3290you may have misunderstood here. I don’t allow my dog to get in anyone’s face, and I don’t allow her to bark too much either. I EXPECT any dog behaviour from her. I don’t get annoyed by it. But I don’t PERMIT all behaviour. I manage her environment until she knows how to make the right choices.

[@hectorg7090]

BETAAA! Hope you got your belly rubs and hot dogs after writing this

[@michaelraymon111]

​@@louskimming4371literally just saying words

[@sheilafrancl1423]

I was on a dog course, when my dog misbehaved they expected me to forcefully lay her on her side to dominate her. When i didn't do that a trainer came and did that to her. I left that dog school.

[@zakgeorge]

Good move! Proud of you.

[@armandhammer2235]

I would need a lot more information but side submission is sometimes what it takes, like I said a lot more information is needed.

[@JuliaB1955]

Excellent! You love your dog and have empathy for it. Thank you! As I see it, I want my dogs to "obey" because they live in a human-dominated world, and I am the human who loves them immensely and wants them to be SAFE, happy, and fed as closely as I can afford the best dog-suited high-protein cleanest food possible (and chicken in the mornings).

[@johanna8206]

If anyone ever tried to do that to my dog I would do it to them without hesitation. 💪👊💫

[@grahammiller3873]

I think there's a large misunderstanding where people confuse leadership and "alpha dog" as terms. Some people seem to think you're denying that the dog needs to see you as a leader, but providing leadership has nothing to do with the abusive "alpha" concept. Happy to see more trainers like you who understand that dogs learn best in an environment of love and patience, and not fear and intimidation.

[@Duke49th]

Exactly (at your first two sentences). Resulting in such videos. Its annoying as hell. And you do a mistake. He is not understanding. He is completely denying the existence of pack orders or alpha dogs. And as someone who has 5 dogs, I can just call it bullshit. There are orders and alphas. But that doesnt mean I have to dominate my dogs or treat them like shit. It just means that when they are together they have a pack order and an alpha. (often a female, but in our case the biggest/oldest male)

[@StopTheWorld65]

The alpha dog theory of training was all the rage in the late 70’s and 80’s. It's kind of strange it still has legs. (I blame The Monks of New Skete) The majority of people don't understand there is no such thing as “settled science,” that our understanding of everything changes with time. (I blame the education system for teaching what to think, not how to think.)

[@Arlon71]

As a Sheriff K9 trainer/handler, Alphas/pack leaders (or whatever other name we want to give it) is not a myth. I've seen it, trained it, and worked it. I still do to this day. In Law enforcement K9 training, we don't use "compulsion" training methods commonly these days. We are now taught what most people refer to as "balanced" dog training (although, we do study what compulsion training was comprised of). Your point about "dogs are not wolves, they're a very different species" is somewhat flawed, but not wholly incorrect. You're correct when speaking of the common house dog breeds. However, when speaking on working line dogs with specific pedigrees designed for extreme drives being harnessed for a job, your argument misses the mark. Please allow me to explain, as I'm not trying to be rude or confrontational with you. For example, I could take 2 completely equal working K9s, give 1 to you and 1 to me. We have 3 weeks to prep our own K9 according to our preferred method. We then have to certify 14 odor detections, track a person, perform bite work, and have instant unfailing obedience all under a rigorous standard. I guarantee that a dog that you train as an equal to you will not perform at a higher level than a dog that I train as a subordinate (i.e. with me as the Alpha). A K9 performing at those levels, with drives so ridiculously cranked to 11, will take the position of leader from what it perceives as a "weak" handler/trainer without fail. You have to constantly prove to these kinds of dogs that you're worthy of leading them. That doesn't mean beating them, like many people seem to think, but it's also not just cupcakes and rainbows either. There's discipline, much like with children. "I told you to do X. You've been taught X, and have demonstrated that you know how to do X on command. You decided not do it when told, so now there's consequences." There's nothing unfair about it. We decide upon a standard, we teach that standard to the dog fairly, and then we hold the dog and ourselves to that standard.

[@michellea3185]

Even the guy who coined the phrase alpha wolf said he made a mistake in the 1940s lol now all wolf biologists including the organization he started is trying to correct it haha

[@zakgeorge]

So true!

[@a.safe.home.3656]

I love being able to train my dog using current, up to date information. Our standard poodle has now gone through all the basic training levels and is currently taking a therapy class so we can "share the love" with others. She is on the path to be our own service dog. Watching her grow and learn has been so fun (frustrating at times). She gets sooo excited to train. It is right up there as one of her favorite things to do. I am blown away at how well we are able to communicate to each other as a result of putting in the time and energy of working with her. She fills my heart with joy!

[@karstentopp]

You can be the Alpha without asserting dominance. You can be Alpha with respect, love and understanding of your dog. But I dislike it calling “Alpha”, I prefer “Head of the family “ My dogs come to me for guidance and support, I give them love, respect and I offer them trust and protection.

[@watchmoivies123]

You said this perfect

[@crotchet1586]

I call it being responsible for my dog.

[@JenKirby]

I have seen it called dog guardian which I like, in the sense of protector of the family dog/s.

[@k-kayla]

​@crotchet1586 Or just being an owner of an animal lol 😂

[@watchmoivies123]

@@JenKirby I think he means in training the animal. I for sure am a wonderful guardian for my dog. I would step in front of a car for him.

[@belle83]

Zak!! I’ve been following you for over two years now! I watched your series with Inertia and used your techniques to train my now 18 month GSD! I regularly have people compliment me on his demeanor. The vet told me I’m doing a great job too! My boy will listen to me with other dogs barking at him. My boy trusts me, he follows me into water, he will sniff anything I touch, and he is deeply devoted to me. I love him and he loves me and it’s appalling to see videos of that other man who has been harassing your channel and abusing dogs while calling it dog training. Just because you BROKE A DOGS SPIRIT doesn’t mean you have trained them. THESE ARE LIKE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO THINK HITTING KIDS IS HOW THEY WILL LEARN. (Also the very man who came up with the Alpha idea later debunked it himself and tried to get the books pulled!)

[@johanna8206]

Zak, if you see this, please do more videos on positive training methods for aggression in dogs. I feel like this is what's most needed at this point (regarding the heated debate currently going on), as there are a lot of people out there genuinely looking for this kind of information who may end up getting pulled down the whole dominace path without enough resources out there utilizing a force-free approach. Theres an awful lot of talk on both sides, but I feel like this is the perfect opportunity for positive trainers to show how these dogs can be helped in a constructive and ethical way, without pain, fear, or force. 💪❤ "The secret of change is to focus all of your energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the new." - Socrates

[@hippiebits2071]

I've had more than a half dozen people come up to me in parks asking for advice and complimenting me on my dog's training ONLY TO WALK AWAY when I tell them I haven't used compulsive methods. "Oh THAT doesn't work!" I'm not sure if they are just blind to the irony or just look for what they subconsciously want to hear!

[@logun24x7]

Zak all I got to say is thanks ... you have woken up the real academics who have had enough of the misrepresentation of the facts.

[@michaelraymon111]

Who are the real academics

[@XxTheMedicxX99]

I have huskies, our girl has dominance or jealousy issues. Very gentle dogs. But constant play fighting, especially when one gets more attention.

[@SharonCullenArt]

Boy I wonder if Ceaser Milan is watching right now!

[@zakgeorge]

Your observation about Cesar Milan is astute, and it indeed raises some significant concerns. The persistence in clinging to outdated and debunked ideas, especially in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is a red flag in any profession, particularly one that claims to be scientific. It’s disconcerting to see trainers, including Mr. Milan, doubling down on flawed concepts rather than adapting and learning from the progress made in understanding dog behavior and training methodologies. We must be unequivocal in our stance: adherence to disproven theories and refusal to evolve one’s approach is not just unscientific; it’s irresponsible. It’s crucial to hold those in influential positions accountable for their actions and the messages they promote, especially when they can impact the well-being of dogs and their guardians. Thank you for pointing this out, and let’s continue to advocate for evidence-backed, humane dog training practices.

[@toddgibsonAZ]

At least all these terrible trainers show video real time of the training methods working fast and extremely effective on the worst case dogs leaving in obviously more relaxed, comfortable, with good manners and not being put down due to how dangerous they are.

[@misscrankypantss]

I always felt put off by that guy! Even when it was years ago when the whole alpha trend was all the rage.

[@toddgibsonAZ]

@zakgeorge Evidence based on what? Proven Theories? Show one, with the internet, we have access to thousands of extremely good results, literally saving dogs and watching them become happy and content. Words are cheap especially when all proven techniques obviously show the contrary..

[@Sharon-pf2te]

Thank you Zak for doing this I hope people are listening. Especially those trainers out there that actually use other dogs to bully dogs that they are supposedly training. Your an intelligent honest trainer who really has the best interest of dogs at heart and so much appreciate you standing up for dogs and their so often mistreatment by these so called trainers

[@ouronia1]

Thank you all you do... you are the best!

[@eduardoramirez1649]

this guy is the type of trainer that just talks more than he actually train

[@klouisedraws]

Keep up the great work ❤❤❤

[@miekiepiekie1]

Question. I couldnt find it so im guessing you dont have one, but i couldve looked not good enough. Do you have a video on how to help dogs who are afraid of the dark? I adopted a dog and his description is nothing like what they said lol. A dog trainer is going to do an analysis in 2 weeks and well see from there if she is able to help, hope she uses the same methods as you though 😂

[@alisha.cleveland]

I think you may be able to do a technique similar to separation anxiety. I know his series on Inertia goes over it and he has other standalone videos/shorts on it. It's basically going really slow and rewarding as you go - either with food or whatever your dog is currently valuing (sometimes my dog wants a good chest scratch over food) - and build their tolerance. Maybe you could get a lamp with a dimmer and slowly build your dog's tolerance to different luminosities until they do better with complete darkness? Good luck with your dog 🙂

[@johanna8206]

Interested in this too, I have a rescue who becomes much more fearful/reactive when its dark. I'm guessing its due to the fact that he lived outdoors as a feral puppy before I got him, so he probably had to be hypervigilant at night to be safe from predators(?). I'd never heard of dogs being afraid of the dark before getting him, and like you said there definitely doesn't seem to be any info out there about it.

[@Lunika1367]

my young aussie I was told by several dog trainers that she's "alpha/dominant" but truth is she simply came out "working bloodline" so she has high herding drive, high protect/guard drive as she feels it's her job to protect and keep the pack/family safe... she even senses when questionable people are in our radius... she will either growl or if it's some animal that may cause her senses to go "alert mode" she will "freeze" and will let me know it's not safe to go in a certain path/road (we had an encounter with a snake once! and tnx to her we were in a safe range

[@hannahmiles1324]

I love that ❤

[@skeetermcdank1667]

Wow a pack where members feel like they need to protect others... ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE ALPHA. Weird. You people cope so much for having zero ability to control your dogs in public, It's simply amazing. Stop listening to an influencer who is trying to revive his channel.

[@crotchet1586]

Zak, so are you saying if I let my dog walk through a doorway first she's not gonna think less of me and not plot to take over our household! I only ask because in the park today she was socialising with her buddies and kept looking back at me, suspiciously..im sure they were hatching plans to oust me from pack leader 😁

[@IlBoscoPrimavera]

Oh, yes. They were absolutely plotting a conspiracy. But letting her walk through a doorway first didn't have anything to do with it. The fact that you know where the secret stash of treats is has everything to do with it. I'd guard your pocket, cupboard, and bedside table caches very closely from now on.

[@crotchet1586]

@@IlBoscoPrimavera 😁😁

[@randyp-do4po]

That is so funny.

[@whiteeagle8140]

Looking back at you is good. Your dog is checking in with you, to see whether you want something from him\her.

[@BlackDim100]

Best comment of the day.😆

[@markjansson]

Owners constantly throw this alpha/dominance crap at other owners on social media. It all feels like a rationalization for people to bully their pets.

[@zakgeorge]

Yup

[@agirlhasnoname6637]

I can't even tell you how many trainers I've worked with...(with 3 dogs at 1 point, now 2 very hard to handle ones) some subscribe to it.. some don't, some kinda do...my frustration level is really off the charts at this point & I'm just trying to do what's best BUT I've also literally been hurt by my dogs now so there's some frustration there too... 😢

[@Dabrownman1812]

​@@agirlhasnoname6637sorry to hear that. Dogs "correct" each other physically as they are tactile. Some people do the same. There are many weird inconsistencies with the nature argument from people discussing alpha. Dogs will forcefully heard each other at times. This is not taught by humans. So why can't humans do this, with restraint as dogs do it with restraint? Next, looking bad doesnt mean bad. Some puppies play and will grow/bite hold other dogs down. Looks bad, both dogs get up okay. I wish you the best on your journey. Just weird humans can't use tactics dogs due to each other. I find that, unnatural.

[@scottjones6624]

I started with the Monks of New Skeet school of dominance and am slowly waking up.

[@zakgeorge]

One of the most problematic dog training books of a generation unfortunately. I’m so glad my dog training book is outselling that one! Glad to have you here and welcome to our community👍

[@scottjones6624]

Thanks. I am bringing home Labrador pup #4 in my life over 30+ years of dog training and ownership . I have done your Pupford puppy course and now am reading your books and watching your KZbin videos to take a new approach. My breeder and trainer still believe that occasionally "corrections" are needed or a frisky Labrador will seriously push things. But I am wondering that maybe that is not so with your perspective and techniques. Learning here@@zakgeorge

[@sosweetcreations367]

What do you suggest for dogs that rip apart backpacks if a lunch is forgotten inside and getting into the garbage.

[@AniFam]

Awesome~👍 Thank you for sharing this video~🤗

[@longnailsareok]

A good analogy here is Zebras vs Horses. There's a reason zebra husbandry never arose on the African continent and why to this day you never see people riding them. They're a different species and not temperamentally suited to domestication.

[@zakgeorge]

Great point!

[@imapandaperson]

What's funny is that R+ is the standard in zoos. The largest predators get trained with positive/force free only. Wolves are shy and sensitive and don't tolerate aversive training methods --- wild animals have zero drive to please people so trust is even more easily broken with rough handling. So when ambassador zoo animals receive training, or a non-releasable animal is being trained to participate in its own vet care (voluntary blood draws, nail trimmings, etc), R+ is the only thing used. People think aversives don't break trust with dogs, because dogs are more biologically driven to want to seek connection with us, even as we cause them underlying stress and anxiety. Kind of like a human child --- hitting a child doesn't stop them from wanting connection with their parents, that need is ingrained. It does cause PTSD, anxiety, and depression symptoms later in life though (all diagnoses dogs can receive as well). So why do it? That's why i'm suspicious everytime people say their dog can "take it" when it comes to aversive methods. Many dogs can "take it" without it breaking trust in their humans, but it is having underlying negative impacts all the same, and it just isn't ethical. And if we are talking about a spectrum of dogs to wolves --- primitive dog breeds, aka the ones "closer to wolves" behaviorally, are even more sensitive to aversive handling. They can much more easily become fearful and/or reactive with aversives --- talking Indian Pariah Dogs, Carolina Dogs, Jindos, Basenjis, etc.

[@joleeervin7228]

what a flipping relief. I want my dog to use her mind, not try to control it.

[@TheTopMostDog]

You said it's wrong a bunch, but didn't explain how people get results using it, nor what they're accidentally doing that actually works. I don't really care to debate, I just want to see a normalization of training methods that are most successful in helping "problem dogs" get off death row, and that's what I'm currently seeing with respect training.

[@Spider-ho6xp]

How do you feel about Beckmans Dog training style?

[@zakgeorge]

I think he is a huge problem in the dog training space. He is a compulsion trainer.

[@janhankins911]

@@zakgeorge Thank you, Zak! I've been saying that for quite some time and quite a few people vehemently disagree with me.

[@rashawnthegamingmaster8620]

Its not a myth its misunderstood, alpha wolves don't really exist they are just parents ,dogs are different only time there is kind of an "alpha" is when a female dog is in heat, but a neutered dog is not affected by this at all.

[@zakgeorge]

You bring up an important point, and I appreciate your effort to clarify some misconceptions. Indeed, the term “alpha” as applied to wolves has been largely discredited, as it was based on observations of captive wolves and doesn’t reflect the natural family dynamics found in wild wolf packs. When it comes to dogs, it’s essential to recognize that they are not wolves, and their social structures and behaviors are quite different. Attempting to apply “alpha” concepts to dog training can lead to misunderstandings and problematic training methods. I agree that certain behaviors might emerge in specific situations, such as when a female dog is in heat. However, these behaviors are far removed from the idea of an “alpha” hierarchy that was once believed to govern wolf packs. In modern dog training, we focus on understanding each dog’s individual needs, emotions, and behaviors. By adopting a scientific and empathetic approach, we can communicate more effectively with our dogs and build relationships based on trust and positive reinforcement rather than outdated notions of dominance and hierarchy.

[@janhankins911]

@@zakgeorge Well said, Zak.

[@agirlhasnoname6637]

And I hate to tell you but neutered dogs ARE absolutely affected by a females heat. I owned 2 fixed males & 1 unfixed female & THEY knew when she was in heat and it was brutal!!!

[@rashawnthegamingmaster8620]

@@agirlhasnoname6637 Damn, my dog is intact and female dogs in heat do not affect him even when they are close by, he does not care and goes on with his business. So I guess its based on the individual dog.

[@Dabrownman1812]

​@@rashawnthegamingmaster8620different dogs, differenr genese and different amount of "wolf" or old dog per breed. Almost like the alpha natures are based off individual personality and or breed. Wow, it's not one size fits all cause dogs are bred for different jobs and personality traits. Not all bears are the same, nor are all dogs. There is nature and nurture. Also, people must've not seen dogs rough housing cause these peeps are soft. Dogs be dooping each other and it's just play.

[@oftheborg]

Actually, from seeing a lot of the people who work with wolves, they respond quite a bit to companion based training as well. The difference is that they have to be afraid of their environment, not because they are 'wild.' The idea of 'wild' animals is steeped in mythological evolutionary thinking.

[@janhankins911]

There are quite a few studies that compare dogs and wolves. It's fascinating reading. To make a long story short, wolves are very different from dogs. Dogs may be descended from wolves (although even that is "settled", one theory is that dogs and wolves evolved from a common ancestor and, while closely related, their evolution was quite different), but they aren't wolves. Thousands of years of domestication and the possibility that they came from a common ancestor, but took different evolutionary paths makes dogs very different from wolves.

[@oftheborg]

@janhankins911 their breeding, not their evolution, was different.

[@JenKirby]

@@oftheborg I think you are right. There was an interesting experiment done on another wild canid. I think it was a type of fox. I watched a TV program about it but I forget the details. The animals were selected so that the more friendly ones mated and they ended up with animals who were very dog like. Even their colours and head shapes were more dog like but they were all genetically foxes. It didn’t take long. You can imagine how this could happen naturally if friendly wolves were more likely to hang around people and the people would make friends with them and feed them.

[@EvelineUK]

@@JenKirby Yes I seem to remember watching that too. Selective breeding did not take long to result in very tame animals.

[@MegynStagner]

Thank you for your videos they have helped me a lot! I don’t believe in aversive dog training or alpha stuff but what do you do if someone in your family tries to use that on your dog?

[@boglenight1551]

Gonna go nitpicking a bit, but in line with most species concepts dogs are wolves. To an extent their innate behaviours are linked to their evolutionary ancestry, mostly seen in their herding, chasing and other behaviours. Dogs are wolves. However, that doesn’t mean that a “pattern of deferral in relation to resources” is possible when a human already controls all the resources in a dog’s environment and even controls what environment a dog is even in through containment to a house/yard/room. Nor does it mean that dogs, or even wolves, are hardwired to be aggressive or seek higher social status, both would be incredibly damaging to inclusive fitness.

[@arlin5999]

Why are there so many video cuts in this very short video?

[@zakgeorge]

To keep it short and quick moving!

[@MM.1111]

Thank you for this

[@JenKirby]

I met a young wolf once. We communicated so well that I trusted him completely when he took hold of my wrist in his mouth. He liked me 😊

[@alexialanda27]

Interesting. I'd have to do more research on this topic. Dogs evolved from gray wolves, just like humans share a common ancestor to all primates. Our closest relative is the chimpanzee. While different, other primates are studied not just to understand their behavior, but to better understand ourselves as humans. We do share similarities. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if wolves and dogs continue to share similarities as well. With that said, for people who continue to believe in the alpha theory, then there are ways to train your fur baby without being rough and borderline abusive.

[@kavitadeva]

ZAK, Where can I write to you in a safer space?? I Used to train dogs using "adversive" Techniques. Thank God I went to a school who was moving away from Abusive Techniques. Jump to today 40 years later and it's all about PRT. I am attempting to train my 2nd Service Dog. I am running into problems simply because. I really don't know what steps to take to get the tasks I need. Cab you give me an email address to talk about what is called BALANCED TRAINING. thank you.

[@peterjanbo657]

Oh here we go again. Its not the dog trainers that is janking the dogs. Its the other way around. And the dogs realise Oh i can not do what the heck i want here. And those trainers teach the owners to be in comtroll. ❤

[@delaneyreyes8995]

I’ve been a huge fan of Cesar Milan since he’s had his first TV show. His methods have done wonders on my own dogs and has helped people who I’ve recommended his teachings to. I think your way of training works for you and the dogs you train but it doesn’t necessarily mean it will work for every dog and every owner. I think Cesar’s philosophy on dog rehabilitation is amazing. Training the people and rehabilitating dogs. I also am a fan of the DD. Maybe it doesn’t look nice to us but that’s the way animals communicate with each other. Using body language and energy. Mom dogs don’t give treats to their puppies to correct bad behavior. They discipline! They put the puppies in their place. I’ve seen this personally with litters I’ve been a part of raising. Animals kill their young, they eat each other, they fight to the death with other dogs when it comes to territory or breeding partners. They are ANIMALS. We need to stop calling it abuse because to our human minds it seems abusive. They are saving dogs from being out down and people from being bit or killed. You do a lot of basic training but what Cesar and the DD do is rehabilitate dogs that haven’t gotten the training you teach and are far too gone for traditional gentle training.

[@michaelraymon111]

That's not how animals communicate with each other. Cesar failed the German test and is the reason why dozens of dog trainers how to deal and fix animals ruined by his methods. How much of a clown are you to compare human training to dog mom training bruh lmao

[@michaelraymon111]

Imagine beign such a clown you deny a method that works causw you don't like it lmao

[@harmony8623]

Humans aren’t like animals such as dogs and cats though. We have other ways we can do things that don’t involve violence regardless if it’s “natural”. Wolves don’t really know any different or can’t do anything else but to punish and snap. That’s dog/animal behaviour. Humans don’t do that to each other because we have words and other methods. If you wouldn’t hit a human that doesn’t understand why stealing from your plate is wrong, because they were never taught, why would you hit a dog for the exact some reason? Dogs don’t understand what they can and can’t do. They think in safe and unsafe behaviours. You can teach a dog stealing from your plate isn’t okay without punishing them. Train them to sit on their bed when you eat or something instead.

[@leondelafonte]

​@@harmony8623Don't will ALWAYS be dogs. And they'll always communicate through body language and energy. If we didn't have speech or language we'd be quite physical animals to each other too.

[@muttsandmischief]

Thankyou for speaking up for dog welfare 🐾

[@cindymeyerson2099]

I watched your video and understand that you are deeply invested in your type of dog training. Although I haven't changed my mind about needing an alpha dog to lead the pack : that is a compassionate, loving human leader, I understand that you are deeply committed in your own ways to help dogs. I don't wish to argue the differences or change anyone's opinion. Best to you and the dogs and humans that you help. ❤

[@harmony8623]

Then don’t call it an alpha dog if to you it’s a loving human leader. Call it a loving human leader. Using “alpha” only ever perpetuates the myth as it’s highly unlikely the person you talk to has the same knowledge or understanding that it isn’t true.

[@CheDeco15]

There is a content creator that my Mom watches who bills himself as someone who rescues dogs and brings them to his house/property to live their best life. He has at least 20 dogs at this point. He doesn’t call himself a trainer and he doesn’t show any training on his channel. He does talk about his many dogs being a pack and that he’s the alpha but I’ve never seen any worrying behavior from him on camera. His content is mostly just the stories of each dog and then updates on how they’re doing. Is this problematic? Is it different when someone has that many dogs as opposed to having one or two? Or is the idea of a pack totally and completely wrong? Thanks for all you do! 💜

[@zakgeorge]

Tough to say in this case. As I said, it’s a red flag in general. But it’s so pervasive in pop-culture that many people don’t realize what it can imply to behavior experts in this field.

[@janhankins911]

Personally, I don't care for the word "pack". I like "group" much better. I work with Great Dane and Irish Wolfhound rescue. We once received a call about a puppy mill that was being closed down. There were 25 Great Danes--could we take them? "Yes, of course!" I said ("Oh, my God, where am I going to put 25 Great Danes? We don't have enough foster homes!!" I thought. But it was we take them or they died, so of course we took them.). We had 15 dogs at our house for about two weeks. It was crowded. It was noisy. It was stressful for the dogs (but not nearly as stressful as the situation they'd been in). It was stressful for us! The dogs got along famously and did marvelously. I didn't have a "pack". I had a group of dogs. We eventually found foster homes for all those dogs. It wasn't easy, but we did it. I look back and often wonder how we managed to do some of the things we did and how we always managed to find enough foster homes, enough money, etc. to take care of the dogs.

[@EvelineUK]

I watch this channel too and it's lovely. I think he uses the words 'pack' to refer to the 'group of dogs' just like you'd call a group of crows 'murder', and 'alpha' because ultimately, he is the one making the decisions. I don't think I've ever seen him walk his dogs on a leash, he lets them sleep in his bed, and baby talks to them all the time. I see absolutely no red flags when watching his videos, other than maybe he's got issues saying 'no' to more dogs being added to the mix. But everyone seems to get along really well, he does the introductions in a smooth and gentle way, and as you said, the dogs seem to be living their best life with him. He fosters lots of dogs who then get adopted out, and showers each and every individual dog with love. A feel-good channel, even when there are sometimes hard decisions to be made regarding to health and well-being.

[@EvelineUK]

So what would you call a group of say 5+ dogs living together, if not a pack? A group of sheep is a flock, cows a herd, why not call a group of dogs a pack?

[@JuliaB1955]

If you're talking about Lee Ascher, the dogs know he rescued them and got them medical care when needed. They love him. When they're all out walking on his massive property in WA state, the dogs are each off doing what they like. Some walk ahead, some behind, some to the side. I think he considers himself a pack leader in that he LOVES all his animals (he has other animals on his sanctuary, too) and he considers himself "part canine," if you will. He doesn't mistreat the dogs at all.

[@jdrankwalter]

Dogs are dogs. They aren't humans.

[@zakgeorge]

You’re absolutely right that dogs are not humans, and recognizing this distinction is vital in understanding and effectively communicating with our dogs. This means recognizing the unique instincts, behaviors, and ways dogs perceive the world, rather than anthropomorphizing them or attributing human emotions to them. However, acknowledging these differences doesn’t mean that we should revert to outdated or ineffective training methods that might misinterpret canine behavior. Modern dog training based on scientific research emphasizes positive reinforcement and understanding a dog’s emotional state. While dogs and humans may have different ways of thinking and interacting, we can still foster a deep, mutually respectful relationship by learning to communicate in ways that are meaningful to dogs. This means using methods that align with their natural behaviors and instincts while maintaining humane and ethical practices. Thank you for highlighting this crucial point!

[@janhankins911]

@@zakgeorge Bravo, Zak!

[@Unplanned_Dog_Training]

So dogs are not pack animals dogs do not have a ranking dog. Dogs do not leadership. Good to know. Dogs are pack animals they do have a alpha dog in the pack and they do need leadership. If you go look at dogs that rome the streets you will see a lot of wolf behaviors. You will se domanins being astablish and you will find that dogs highly respect the alpha or leader. You do take up a leadership role in your dogs life. You control the food. Make them work for it. You control door ways and thresholds. You controlling walks meaning having them on a leash and expecting come when call. You play tug and once you had enough you stop and put the toy away. You control where they sleep what they do and how much access you give them to go out side. This is alpha rolling it. You bring in a new puppy and expect your dog to listen and be respectful. All of this is leadership. You may not think so you may disagree you may denie it. But this is what your dog is seeing.

[@armandhammer2235]

Absolutely.

[@armandhammer2235]

Zak treats dogs like toys.

[@zakgeorge]

I appreciate your thoughts on the topic, and it’s clear that you’re passionate about dogs and their well-being. The ideas you’ve expressed reflect longstanding beliefs in the dog training community. However, it may be helpful to revisit some of these concepts in light of contemporary understanding. While dogs are social creatures that can form loose groups, their social interactions are more fluid and context-dependent than a strict hierarchy would suggest. The concept of an alpha dog leading a pack has moved away from current thinking. Yes, as responsible dog guardians, we do set boundaries and rules. But our relationship with our dogs is built on trust, communication, and positive reinforcement rather than taking on an “alpha” role. Guidance is our goal, not dominance. The concept of alpha rolling, or physically dominating a dog to assert control, has been challenged by animal behaviorists. Modern training methods emphasize working with a dog’s natural instincts and rewarding positive behavior rather than using fear or aggression. Observing free-roaming dogs might reveal behaviors that appear similar to wolves, but it’s essential to recognize the complex factors at work, including survival, socialization, and individual personalities. These interactions are not necessarily indicative of a rigid, wolf-like social structure. Our relationship with dogs is unique and multifaceted. We provide care, love, and structure, but it’s not about dominating or asserting ourselves as the “alpha.” It’s about creating a cooperative relationship built on mutual understanding and respect. Your dedication to leadership and structure is commendable. But a shift towards compassionate, science-backed methods can create a more harmonious partnership that respects the dog’s emotional well-being and natural behaviors. Rather than enforcing an alpha role, we can engage with our dogs in ways that foster empathy and understanding.

[@watchmoivies123]

I meant to say lap, not lab

[@armandhammer2235]

I don't have to bribe my dogs to stay by me and listen to me. They choose to. Of course, that gets them paid and much better than the alternative.

[@eddygrondsma5703]

I am really curious what you think of Cesar Milan. I think he is really good. And did a lot of good things for dogs but uses that pack leader approach. Could you do a video on him? Love you're videos

[@crotchet1586]

He's abusive to dogs and talks absolute cr@p in relation to his methods. The reason is he is a brand and has a team of lawyer protecting that brand. There is no chance in hell that after being in the business as long as he has been he hasn't even 'accidentally' educated himself about canine behaviour...imo, of course. BTW, I say that as someone that used to buy into all his nonsense 20 odd years ago.😟

[@CrayolaCoffeeBean]

Cesar Millan is old school with his methods which are very effective. People think he’s abusive because his show was mostly about extreme cases that needed to addressed immediately and effectively. He’s incredible, but much of what he does isn’t realistic for the everyday dog owner… someone like Joel Beckman is a bit closer to the everyday version of Cesar.

[@kevj9589]

Cesar Milan knows 1,000 times more about dogs than Zak does and I might be understating it.

[@Dabrownman1812]

​@@crotchet1586don't fall for "science" and "studies." Not saying they can't prove anything, but they can be twisted and manipulated for monetary or political agendas. Dogs are not people, doesn't mean they should be abused. But as people get softer and detached from nature, they get softer especially city kids. Next, if there is a study, actually read the study and see what variables they give you and what information do they withhold. "Wow, they said shocking the dog makes them upset." What setting was it on? Did they just set it up to max level, sciencr isn't about faith or good will, but practice. How was the experiment done?

[@PumpkinPanda-]

My dog is the kindest dog ever, I never handled her rough, she is so good in training and loving to people and dogs (doesn't even have food aggression to other dogs, instead she shares willingly and sometimes tries to trade lol) and people are surprised when I am convinced every dog would be like that if it wasn't being taught by inducing fear.

[@unsaltedskies]

Every dog is different. You got lucky some people don't.

[@Dabrownman1812]

Dogs naturally rough house each other. Do you ever see dogs rough house and play? These peeps are anti-discomfort. It's not natural in a tactile world like dogs. There's also breeds, different breeds can have different genes and such. A lab I work with is different than a corso.

[@anthonyray5515]

If you think Zak really loves dogs ❤, you'd be correct.

[@chasethedemon205]

Please can you explain why fixed dogs hump other dogs and how to make it stop with out treats or toys. Alot say it is because there being dominent but what do you think.

[@zakgeorge]

Humping behavior in dogs, even after they’re fixed, is complex and not tied to a single cause. It can be a sign of excitement, play, stress, or simply a learned habit. To modify this behavior, reinforcement is essential, but I understand your reluctance to use treats or toys. It’s worth noting that treats don’t have to be unhealthy or large. Many dogs respond positively to tiny, flavor-packed treats that can be part of a balanced diet. If weight gain is a concern, you can opt for healthy alternatives like small bits of vegetables or lean proteins. However, if you still prefer not to use treats, you can employ other forms of positive reinforcement like verbal praise, petting, or a favored activity. If your dog begins to hump, calmly redirect them to a different activity like sitting or lying down, and reward them with your chosen form of reinforcement. Understanding the triggers for this behavior might require careful observation or professional assistance. A positive reinforcement trainer can help you identify the underlying reasons for the humping and develop a specific solution for your dog. Patience and consistency are key, as each dog is unique and may respond differently to different approaches.

[@janhankins911]

Humping isn't a sign of "dominance". There are a lot of reasons dogs hump one other (or an inanimate object, or your leg). Dominance isn't one of them. And sex isn't usually one of them, either.

[@Unplanned_Dog_Training]

​@@zakgeorge when I am playing with my dogs and I get down and play tug with them they immediately try and hump me. Why because dogs are always looking for a moment of weakness so they can assume that position of leadership. The moment I correct them and sit on my knees they stop flop over and get a belly rub. Correction: I mean verbal correction

[@watchmoivies123]

I believe most dogs that hump were spayed or neutered before the age of two..... @@zakgeorge

[@watchmoivies123]

I believe the dogs that hump and not near a fm in heat is from being spayed or neutered before the age of two. @@zakgeorge

[@AlexSpieslechner]

even wolves dont live in packs. wolves live in family communities where the „parental“ animals lead the rest. this is done calmly, not with unnecessary force. + the person that initially stated the alpha theory (david mech) is trying really hard to get everybody to recognize how wrong he was. aversive trainers have to be extremely illiterate to not get that

[@EpNa-yo9nq]

Really? I heard Mech saying something slightly different last week: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4TWoWuXfdGCjrcsi=qEP4TBixt7zs1e2x

[@DCARA06]

preach!

[@iluvyurbles]

I mean the whole wolves (and our dogs) have alpha and omegas myth has been busted for a long time.

[@OriginalEverydayDave]

This kinda thing annoys me. ALPHA is a misinterpretation of true canid structures. Their IS a primary leadership in any pack. You can see this in stray domestic dog packs in south america, wolves, coyotes, etc. Many studies have proven this. It does not agree with the studies of the original "alpha" idea published. In some cases, it's just the parents/grandparents, in some cases it's the largest animal or the one that is toughest. In all cases it follows similar to what almost all mammalian species that live in groups do. There is a hierarchy. You can be on top of that hierarchy with your dogs, but that doesn't mean you need to use aggressive or abusive methods. They can be separated. If you correct and guide your dogs like you would children, using a language they understand, they basically always become great animals. The key is consistency and care. Apathy gets you in hot water with a dog fast. Thanks for the perspective zak.

[@thea42]

I totally agree ❤ Another great video by another wonderful person about this subject worth watching is ..-.. We were wrong about Wolves and Wolfpacks this whole time by Anton petrov. ❤

[@kelsie_adams]

The breeder of my Caviler has 10 adult dogs (their family and ESA dogs) plus puppies at any given time. One of their females is definitely the leader of the pack/alpha. For example, if one of the puppies begins to wander then Ms Alpha goes and brings them back. She barks when outdoor playtime is over. Now seriously, she's their leader. I don't want my dog to see me as the leader of the dog pack. I'm a human.😂

[@zakgeorge]

I appreciate your observation and insight, and it seems we’re on the same page about the unique relationship between humans and dogs. Your example demonstrates a fascinating aspect of dog behavior, and I agree that we don’t need to see ourselves as the “leader of the dog pack.” However, I’d like to gently suggest that using terms like “alpha” can sometimes lead to misunderstandings about how dogs interact with each other and with humans. While certain dogs may exhibit leadership-like behaviors within their group, the term “alpha” has been associated with outdated training methods that don’t align with our current understanding of dog psychology. Your acknowledgment that you don’t want your dog to see you as the leader of the dog pack resonates with a more modern, evidence-backed approach that emphasizes partnership, guidance, and positive reinforcement. Thank you for contributing to this essential conversation, and for recognizing the special bond that exists between us and our dogs!

[@7sinz88]

Whoa whoa Kelsie you heard Zak Alpha And Back mentality Is Hog wash lol 😆 But foreal tho i see that too My neighbor just got a 9 week old German shepherd and my husky thats 2 years old Immediately took over the situation teaching him and correcting him as welll as playing and whats is and what isnt okay ;) sooo Yeahhhh Unsubd im tired of this.... I just wanna see this Guy IN a field with other trainers and sees who method is best and whos full of it... I mean Really Dogs just appeared naturally wthout coming from something... Thats like saying a chicken didnt evole into a Velociraptor.. Not a (utah raptor) Ps im not a fan of belive that either or dinosaurs havin feathers...

[@harmony8623]

@@7sinz88why are you even here then It’s not a matter of belief, there’s actual evidence of evolution with fossils. Scientists have found direct links and changes in bone structure of species from similar times.

[@MegynStagner]

@@7sinz88did you just contradict yourself?

[@7sinz88]

@@MegynStagner everyday twice on Wednesday

[@force.free.k9.0.2]

Zak I am going to stop you right their. Our training isn't based on what dogs actually are witch is part of the wolf family. Our training is based on allowing dogs to make decisions based on partnership. Denying that dog aren't part of the wolf family is like denying lions aren't part of the cat family. We do not have to train like wolfs or dogs because we are human and can train them with more of a humanly and kind way. It doesn't change the fact that wolfs and dogs are family and they form packs even in our homes. It is very uneducated of you to make a statement like that. We have seen so many wonderful relationship between wolfs and dogs because they understand each other. Dogs won't breed with cats. But dogs will breed with wolfs. Even if they aren't closely related anymore they are still part of their family and that should be one of the amazing wonders of our dogs. I honestly think you are going off of the train tracks hear. Celebrate that we have predictors in our homes and we can train without having to use these outdated methods.

[@zakgeorge]

I appreciate your passion for the subject and the emphasis you place on partnership and humane training methods. Your underlying sentiment, that dogs share a family connection with wolves, is not something I disagree with. Dogs are indeed classified as a subspecies of wolves, and their genetic relationship is a well-established fact. However, it is also crucial to recognize that while dogs and wolves are related, their behaviors, social structures, and relationships with humans have diverged significantly. This divergence is what allows us to have such unique and close relationships with our dogs. Understanding these differences doesn’t negate the fact that dogs are part of the Canidae family, which includes wolves. Instead, it helps us tailor our approach to training and caring for dogs in a way that acknowledges their specific needs, instincts, and behaviors. Our ability to connect with dogs on a deep level and train them using positive reinforcement methods is something to celebrate. Emphasizing our dogs’ connection to wolves should not overshadow the unique attributes that make dogs our companions and friends. By focusing on what makes dogs special and individual, we can create strong bonds and effective training without relying on outdated methods or comparisons that may not be relevant to a dog’s daily life. Your insights are valuable, and I agree with you on the importance of respecting the relationship between wolves and dogs. We can marvel at this connection while still recognizing the distinct characteristics that make our dogs who they are. Thank you for contributing to this discussion; it’s essential to have diverse viewpoints that contribute to a richer understanding of our dogs and how to train them.

[@framestomind7548]

so, what books written by those that actually studied dogs are there out there right now? so not books by dog trainers that read those studies, but books by those that made the actual studies you refer to now?.. please share and where to buy the best and most updated ones.. ... I am planning to buy a new dog, and this time I want a more athletic and fun dog that also can be a good personal protection dog... My past dog was a mixed breed with extreme energy. but we never took personal protection courses. he did save my life at some occasions though! he was an amazing dog and my absolute closest friend for my whole life, but he got bitten in the ear and suddenly a sercom cancer developed in the mucus and nerve system and grow throughout hete ear and into it and even if both operation to take out the tumors big as golf balls and a year later when it grow back again radiation that gave him a white ear and another year to live, the cancer came back again and again.. so I had to let him go.. It broke my heart and even today when I watched some videos with him I begin to cry and cannot stop missing the life I had with him and the dog life itself. I was always out in nature, every day! sometimes more than at home. His energy and happiness to make friends with literally everyone we ever met, both humans , dogs and other animals was exceptional and everyone was so surprised how intelligent he was compared to their own dogs :)) which was funny.. I did learn a lot about dogs, so I often helped other dog owners that could have a hard time to solve things with their dogs, but often Zippo, my dog helped their dogs to socialise and calm down their personalities as if magic was in the room.. So, Zippo is missed by all dog owners in my area.... Now I like to find a new dog... I want to make the best out of it so he can be with family but function as a personal protection dog from me training with him and of course some courses.. but I like to study and learn as well and foremost on my own.. so please direct me to the source of the studies and books I can learn from of what is really the right way from now in 2023 and forward! thanks for a great channel ! I actually love the Pitbull and began to follow your videos due to you training a Pitbull.. but there are so many countries with ignorant politicians today that ban not only the Pitbull but A lot of breeds for no logic reasons. I felt that if I want a personal protection dog and a best buddy in one dog the pitbull would be it, the funny way the pitbull find out things, the energy drive, the close attention to detail in human behaviour it clearly can analyse and the sweet eyes of happiness in a pitbull is just amazing, and the warm short coated fur is so nice to hug! ... but then I began checking if I could travel with him, and realised there are countless of biased laws against breeds like the pitbull that they call , dangerous breeds, power breeds, etc. strange names that make no sense when you grow up with dogs like me all your life.. but is how it is! I live in Sweden , so my neighbours are countries I would have to pass if traveling by car throughout EU. and in Denmark for example the police can shoot your dog if someone complains at it having been aggressive according to them and the police without any documents or tests thinks on an individual basis that your dog looks like a Pitbull.. they just shot it. your family pet, ! - horrible politicians in that country... and in racist France the poor pitbull must walk around with a huge military grade mask around his jaw all day long if he is 100% pure pitbull and you must show proof that it is 100% pure breed pitbull, Because If it is a mixed dog with pitbull in it is not even allowed in France... In Ukraine before the war they had banned 85 breeds all together, among them the German Shepherd... but not the Malinois .. which again makes no sense... now during the war all kinds of animals seem to be exported and imported instead with no regulations at all.. anyways.. it made me think that I can never have the dog I really dream of due to all these regulations changing from one country to the next... ... So, now I do not know what to think of traveling with your dog if you want a personal protection dog, can you please suggest me what dog breeds to consider and what to think of in my case here in EU... - what breed to choose and how to raise him the right way, not the traditional ways.. but like you said, based on modern day scientific research ! I want a personal protection dog, but foremost a best buddy, that is really close to me one the years to come! I follow your channel as I feel you try to find new ways to communicate with our beloved four paws and let go of the harsh dominant ideas. I really like this and so I am here to learn. Thank you!

[@crotchet1586]

Im not sure if he's done studies but Stephen R lyndsays Handbook of applied dog behaviour And Training 3 volumes; is worth the investment...not an easy read tho.

[@whiteeagle8140]

I heard a bench is forbidden in Sweden. How do you sleep, do groceries etc with an untrained puppy? Plus irresponsible law if you ask me. The bench is mostly for the safety of the dog. I am all for positive training and everything, but this goes to far. In the netherlands where i live, you can get any dog i think. Lost of people here in my neighborhood with pitbulls.

[@framestomind7548]

a bench is forbidden??? what on earth .. a bench? that is something you sit on in a park or in the hallrom of your home. that is a bench... what are you really referring to? @@whiteeagle8140

[@janhankins911]

You may want to get Zak's books. Decoding your Dog by Debra Horwitz is also excellent. Then, of course, there a more "text" books. The "Bible" is Dr. Karen Overall's Manual of Clinical Behavioral Medicine for Dogs and Cats. That may be a bit too detailed for many people, though.

[@Hardboiiledbabe]

Here’s some from my school studies I’m currently in. “ Other End of the leash” by Patricia McConnell ( she’s a dog trainer with a degree and title as a Ethologist “Animal behavioralist that studies all animal behaviors “) Turid Rugass has plenty of books on using tools to communicate with your dog, learning their body, barks, signals they use to communicate with each other and how to train and raise a dog. These two use similar techniques to Zach, but with these books you can get more indepth into understanding your new pup. Hope that helps 👍

[@lemonladyYT]

Be careful Zak. Dogs have an identical digestive tract to wolves and neither have mastered the creation of fire or the art of cooking. Processed food for dogs has only existed for a nanosecond of the thousands of years we have coexisted with them. Dogs also have the same communication as wolves, body language, ears, eyes, tails etc. Although they have learnt to vocalise more, probably as a result of needing to gain human attention when silent signals are missed or ignored. Humans and dogs historically have the same instincts and social structure from thousands of years ago. Probably why our early symbiotic relationship was so successful that it has continued into modern times. It is that of familial living predators! Do our dogs need guidance and direction from us? Yes. Does that constitute leadership? Yes. But the best leaders inspire, motivate, guide and empower those who choose to follow them. We should all aspire to be the leader our dogs deserve, the leader who respects the canine species, not the leader who bullies them into submission.

[@zakgeorge]

While it’s true that dogs and wolves share many similarities in terms of body language and basic digestive structure, they have diverged in several ways over thousands of years of domestication. Genetic studies reveal that dogs have developed the ability to digest starches, a trait wolves lack. This has allowed them to adapt to human food sources, including processed foods. In terms of communication, dogs have indeed developed unique adaptations to better interact with humans, including understanding specific human gestures. These nuances reflect how dogs have evolved as separate and distinct companions from their wolf ancestors, making it essential to consider their specific needs and behaviors in our relationship with them.

[@lemonladyYT]

@@zakgeorge Sadly, as with many studies (such as the flawed garlic study giving rise to the myth that garlic is poisonous to dogs), the digestive enzymes study only indicates that some dogs can tolerate a small percentage of starch in their diet. This has translated to a very recent myth that highly processed dry food, high in starches, is good food. I would have to read the study again and any related ones to see whether there's any research into nutritional value gained from starches. Conversely, a high starch (carbohydrate) diet can lead to chronic health problems, many of which have increased in prevalence concurrently with the increase in feeding dry food to our dogs over the past 40 years. I highly recommend Feeding Dogs by Conor Brady. The most comprehensive canine diet book written from 10 years of research and scientifically underpinned with study references throughout. Humans have developed speech as a nuance of communication. That does not remove our ancestral instincts for survival though. I'm not saying we should ignore recent adaptations but we can achieve much by looking to commonalities in communication between the species as a baseline. If we back off, take our time and observe the dog in our care we can tune in to those common instincts and learn more about the individual animal and tailor our care accordingly.

[@JenKirby]

@@lemonladyYT I don’t risk letting my dogs have any food in the onion family including garlic since one of my dogs died of eating a clump of chives. I think he thought it was grass. I agree that chives and garlic are different but after that experience I will never risk it. The chives destroyed his bone marrow that makes blood cells.

[@lemonladyYT]

@@ZaryaTheLaika That's really useful information, thank you. I meant highly processed (kibble) in the western world, because that's where the main studies are focussed. However, the assumptions made from the studies are still wrong, in that just because some dogs have developed the ability to digest a small amount of carbs, doesn't mean they should continue to be fed 60% grains. Plus there is the issue humans are facing of more intolerance to modern grains. The more grains we feed to our dogs the more likely we will cause them ill health through diet. If it were only in older years that dogs were developing more health issues then your connection to dogs living longer would be correct. But better vet care alone cannot combat young dogs developing non genetic related autoimmune disease, kidney or liver disease, repeat ear infections, chronic skin conditions, pancreatitis and various cancers. Add to that repeat anal gland impaction and heavy plaque build up, both very much connected to fedding dry food, and (in the western world at least) we are making our dogs sick unnecessarily.

[@lemonladyYT]

@@ZaryaTheLaika This is not the place for a personal debate. We agree on some things but you appear resigned to the inevitable whereas I know much can be prevented AND treated through feeding fresh, not processed. Again, I highly recommend Dr Conor Brady - Feeding Dogs: The Science Behind The Dry Versus Raw Debate. References 10 years worth of studies!

[@nanda5379]

SPOILER ALERT: Zak steps up to an alpha dog and dies because he can’t handle them

[@itdobelikedat4202]

Zack gives off mad beta energy

[@michaelraymon111]

Of course clowns writing fan fiction

[@michaelraymon111]

​@@itdobelikedat4202it has literally been debunked. There is a single scientist agreeing with this crap

[@Veteran61]

Your address saying negative things about call daddy to promote your business. That's only reason you're doing this. He owns six or seven dogs and they are the most well behaved dogs I've ever seen because he is their leader and they respect him and they're not insecure. They don't have to be aggressive. We forgot to show the videos of him being with his dogs and the other dogs, a trans after show no aggression. And the videos you share are sped up to make it look more painful for the dogs. I see a lot of the dog owners walking their dogs, and the dogs are pushing forward and their necks are getting squeezed by their collar now they had a well trained dog. The dog wouldn't do that so owners in away is choking their dogs because they don't have control of their dog and the dog Doesn't see them as a leader.

[@Veteran61]

Everybody's talking about worms well, guess what there's always a leader, a couple, a male and a female that's in charge of all the wolves, and if the subordinates miss behave, the alpha male and female puts them back in their place, and they learn to respect the alpha, male and female You need to do further reading on a wolf pack. There's always a leader, a male and a female, and only the female can get pregnant. And if they don't show the subordinates discipline, it will affect their hunting and how they work together. There always Hass to be a pack later and there's a pecking order.

[@pumpkinhead8593]

I'm kinda split on this. I agree that trying to physiclly dominate your dog is wrong and misguided. However, I do believe there is a pecking order in any group of dogs, be it a family pack or casual dog friends. Some dogs are more dominant than others, that's just a fact. And they will try to assert that dominance over other dogs. I also think it's important that the dog knows the owner is in charge and the one to look to for guidance. Just like in a child/parent relationship, there needs to be a healthy level of respect, not fear, towards the "parent" to keep things from going off the rails. A child that doesn't respect and defer to the parent's decisions is gonna get into bad situations very quickly.

[@serhat1]

I’m trying to find one video you’re walking in public off leash with a dog so I know you are the real deal.

[@grt49er]

He does have a few. The distractions are minimal even though he claims they are high. Still the dogs are unleashed and recall well and check back often.

[@chrisking6695]

You're so ignorant it's baffling. Dogs aren't machines. They're animals. No dog will ever walk on a leash perfectly at all times regardless of how well trained they are. They are living beings not machines with unbreakable attention spans. And I argue as a responsible owner you should leash your dog in public regardless of how well they are off leash. Beyokd that, dog training is so much more than being able to have dog walk off leash. Depending on the breed you may never have the dog off leash in a highly stimulating environment. You are quite lacking of nuance because you're not seeing all the variables. You're probably stupid as well. I wouldn't be surprised because you see to think that once you get your dog to walk off leash you're the alpha 😂

[@Puppy_juice]

영상잘보고갑니다❤❤❤

[@armandhammer2235]

Wait a minute.....If I followed Zak's "scientific training " I wouldn't need a compass, just a map, that scientists wrote. Oh, some food for the crew so I don't have a mutiny. 🤣👌

[@zakgeorge]

While I appreciate your passion and commitment to your dogs, it’s disheartening to see resistance to evidence-based methods. The world of dog training is filled with nuanced, scientifically informed techniques that can foster true understanding and cooperation without resorting to dominance and intimidation. I urge you to explore these methods and the vast body of research that supports them, rather than clinging to outdated beliefs that do not serve the best interests of our canine companions.

[@armandhammer2235]

@zakgeorge Dude, "evidence based methods " is hyperbole. Take a look at Nate Schoemer, he is a KZbin balanced trainer who went to the Tom Rose school (Tom's the guy who was dominating competions), Nate's dog's are 100 times more obedient than Inertia. Check out Charlie, that dog can't stop wagging his tail and smiling while Nate trains him, but balanced training damages dogs. That's nonsense, we're not talking about inflicting pain, but discomfort until compliance ( leash pressure etc.), absolutely, I use that.

[@zakgeorge]

I understand where you’re coming from, and I appreciate that you’ve found success with the methods you’re using. Dog training is indeed a diverse field, with various approaches, all aimed at achieving better obedience and connection with our dogs. When I refer to “evidence-based methods,” I’m speaking about practices rooted in scientific research that focus on positive reinforcement, minimizing discomfort, and working with a dog’s natural behaviors and emotions. While leash pressure and similar methods may lead to obedience, they don’t necessarily foster a relationship based on trust and understanding. A wagging tail isn’t always a sign of happiness, and it can sometimes signal nervousness or over-arousal. The fundamental difference between the training approach you’ve described and positive reinforcement methods lies in the philosophy and the underlying principles. While the former might involve discomfort until compliance, positive reinforcement emphasizes working with the dog to understand and reward desired behaviors, avoiding discomfort altogether. Both methods can produce obedient dogs, but they may create different dynamics in the relationship between the dog and human. Many leading animal behaviorists and organizations support positive reinforcement techniques as more humane and effective in building a cooperative and trusting relationship with our dogs. Hope this clarifies! Have a good night!

[@armandhammer2235]

@@zakgeorge I never said a wagging tail is always a sign of happiness, but in Charlie's case, it obviously is.

[@armandhammer2235]

@zakgeorge Life isn't about avoiding discomfort altogether, that is fantasy world, we don't live in that world with our dogs.

[@girlwithpups]

Yes! But wolves and dogs are part of the same species. Different subspecies. Wolves are canis lupus lupus and dogs are canis lupus familiaris. One species, two different subspecies. This is a more recent agreement among scientists.

[@joseffoureauxdaelander774]

I'm not putting my skin in the game here as far as dog training goes, but I'm not sure it's correct to say that dogs and wolves are two different species. Isn't the definition of separate species that they can't procreate and get fertile offspring? Sort of like horses and donkeys are different species. Dogs and wolves can get fertile offspring together as far as i know

[@zakgeorge]

You raise an interesting point about species definition, and it’s true that dogs and wolves can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. However, defining a species isn’t always straightforward. There are other examples, such as lions and tigers, where different species can mate and produce fertile offspring. The classification of organisms into species is a complex issue, and scientists use various criteria, including morphology, genetics, and behavior, not just reproductive compatibility. In the case of dogs and wolves, they are often classified as subspecies, recognizing their close relationship while also acknowledging the distinct differences that have arisen through domestication and evolution.

[@joseffoureauxdaelander774]

Ah... interesting... thanks for the clarification 👍

[@PumpkinPanda-]

They are though, the pleistocene wolf which dogs are ancestors of is an extinct lineage of wolves, similar to the modern grey wolf but not entirely, the last living member of that lineage was the honshu wolf from japan who died out 100 years ago while the rest of this lineage that didn't become dogs died out 7.500 years ago. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7116352/

[@Here4TheHeckOfIt]

Zak - so glad you are talking about this. I agree that the alpha approach to training is generally not the best training method. Keep reminding the public that this has been debunked. Thanks!

[@baskethead12345]

I like your videos and understand what you are meaning to say, but I definitely disagree about the Alpha. I love my dogs and only use positive training but they definitely need to have an Alpha to follow. It is just instinct. People like DD are evil and take it to the extreme. You don't need to hit, yank, or beat your dog to show who is in charge. Dogs respond a lot better to love and treats.

[@cygnetstarr2469]

DD is not evil. He saves a dog from being euthanized because nobody can train him. I am watching Zaks video and see how he can rehabilitate lost dogs.

[@baskethead12345]

​@@cygnetstarr2469He abuses animals. I don't believe you have to always have a gentle touch. I have watched MANY people who help out of control dogs without abusing them. DD is evil and cares about nothing but money. Abuse isn't training or getting to the root of the problem.

[@JRZERO000zzz]

Sounds vegan to me.😅😅

[@youngchuchu08]

❤agreed with you

[@Veteran61]

Dog owners needs to be the leader all dogs need a leader, so they feel safe and when they don't feel safe, that's when they get aggressive. I looked at one of your training videos, and I couldn't even watch the whole thing that's horrible . A lot of the dogs that he trains were about to be euthanized, because no trainer would go near him, or couldn't train them because of their aggressiveness . And he can't show the full training on KZbin because it takes hours. He works with the owners and the dog. It's just not what we see on KZbin. I would take any dog I own that is aggressive to dog daddy and never I wouldn't even pay you a dollar to train my dogs. If I did have a dog that was aggressive. Dogs only respect their owners if they take leader ship and when they do it gives the dog a sense of security and that they don't have to be aggressive when they're around people and other dogs because they know that their owner is there for them and they don't need to be aggressive, which is their way of protecting themselves in the owner but as soon as that owner Becomes the leader their dog who is aggressive doesn't have to be aggressive anymore. He could relax. I hope people respond to my replies. It's good to have dialogue with people that do not think the same. Are you better? Be careful when you criticize and try to ruin someone else's reputation as a business owner . You have definitely crossed the line and now you're going to be judged probably in a negative way. And you need to communicate with him instead of hiding behind your videos . I don't know if you know, but people can report videos that are inappropriate to KZbin and I think a lot of people are going to be reporting you and your wife . When you judge others in a negative way you're gonna be judged in a negative way what goes around comes around .

[@emanuelshahid9443]

so cesar milan was wrong is what your saying. ok.....

[@jaystacks4172]

dogs are a different race because they still are Canis lupus familiaris meaning they are subspecies to the wolf (canis lupus) please don’t tell people the are completely different because they used to be thought as that but now they are known as a subspecies I like your vid’s bc I am a vet tech and I love behaviorism but make sure it’s 💯💯 Edit :btw I agree alpha dog is not the way to go

[@zakgeorge]

Your underlying sentiment, that dogs share a family connection with wolves, is not something I disagree with. Dogs are indeed classified as a subspecies of wolves, and their genetic relationship is a well-established fact. However, it is also crucial to recognize that while dogs and wolves are related, their behaviors, social structures, and relationships with humans have diverged significantly. This divergence is what allows us to have such unique and close relationships with our dogs. Understanding these differences doesn’t negate the fact that dogs are part of the Canidae family, which includes wolves. Instead, it helps us tailor our approach to training and caring for dogs in a way that acknowledges their specific needs, instincts, and behaviors. Our ability to connect with dogs on a deep level and train them using positive reinforcement methods is something to celebrate. Emphasizing our dogs’ connection to wolves should not overshadow the unique attributes that make dogs our companions and friends. By focusing on what makes dogs special and individual, we can create strong bonds and effective training without relying on outdated methods or comparisons that may not be relevant to a dog’s daily life. Your insights are valuable, and I agree with you on the importance of respecting the relationship between wolves and dogs. We can marvel at this connection while still recognizing the distinct characteristics that make our dogs who they are. Thank you for contributing to this discussion; it’s essential to have diverse viewpoints that contribute to a richer understanding of our dogs and how to train them.

[@TheLyricalWrdsmth]

But I've got an anecdotal experience that proves you wrong! ...or something

[@zakgeorge]

😂

[@roberthynesdogtraining]

BF Skinner defined punishment as the removal of "positive reinforcement". And he defined ""Positive Reinforcement" as the removal of "negative reinforcement". "Positive Reinforcement isn't something you apply - its something every animal desires and it has to be viewed from the dogs point of view - not the trainers. You will see trainers like Zak consistently punish a dog - remove the dogs positive reinforcement -- then reward that punishment. But they call this "Positive Reinforcement"? Wonder no more as to why "dog training" is failing. "Why isn't this working"?

[@zakgeorge]

It’s important to clarify some misconceptions in the understanding of behavioral science terms. Your description seems to mix up some fundamental concepts in operant conditioning. Let’s break it down: 1. Positive Reinforcement: Adding something pleasant to increase a behavior. If a dog sits and receives a treat for sitting, the treat is positively reinforcing the sitting behavior. 2. Negative Reinforcement: Removing something unpleasant to increase a behavior. If pulling on a leash stops when a dog sits, removing the pressure is negatively reinforcing the sit. 3. Positive Punishment: Adding something unpleasant to decrease a behavior. If a dog jumps, and it receives a spray of water, the unpleasant spray is positively punishing the jumping. 4. Negative Punishment: Removing something pleasant to decrease a behavior. If a dog jumps and loses a treat it might have gotten, the loss of the treat is negatively punishing the jumping. So, in the context of modern, evidence-based training methods, positive reinforcement is indeed something applied - it’s adding a pleasant stimulus to reinforce a behavior. It’s not removing negative reinforcement. Removing negative reinforcement would be in the domain of negative reinforcement itself. The effectiveness of different techniques can vary widely, and understanding these principles and applying them thoughtfully is key. It’s not about “punishing then rewarding” but rather utilizing a balanced understanding of these principles to create a training environment where dogs can learn and thrive. I hope this clarifies the concepts for you, and I’m here to continue this enlightening discussion on the intricacies of dog training. It’s a complex field, and open dialogues like this can help foster better understanding and application.

[@roberthynesdogtraining]

@@zakgeorge Oh my, it's too far gone, there is no hope left for the dog. The science of behaviour according to Skinner himself is discovering causes of the behaviour. There is no "reward and punishment" in Operant Conditioning. The FATHER of Operant conditioning is B.F Skinner - and you're arguing with the man himself. Skinner "Operantly conditioned" starving pigeons into gamblers to understand the mechanism that makes HUMANS want to gamble. HUMANS were Skinners target - not the dog. The man held a PhD in psychology - and had a human practice. He did experiments on animals in a lab to understand US - the human animal. Skinner defined Positive Reinforcement as the removal of negative reinforcement. He defined punishment as the removal of Positive Reinforcement. He didn't use punishment - at all - so where did those quadrants come from? Trainers, that's where - trainers created the quadrants back in the 1980's based on lies over Skinner. The Quadrants of dog training are a system of abuse. You cannot pull one quadrant out of that system and call it the good one. I can send you his books in PDF if you really want to open your mind. Dog owners, if you want to understand where all this nonsense comes from - look up the "Skinner Box". Here's where your "positive reinforcement" came from. Funny how trainer don't tell you that Skinner was shocking the feet of animals as a tool of persuasion. Dog owners - dog trainers from Positive Reinforcement to balanced - are LYING to you. The sad reality is - they don't even know they are lying to you. And it's killing dogs in droves. I'm beyond disgusted.

[@zakgeorge]

Your understanding of Skinner’s work appears to be based on some misconceptions. While Skinner’s research did involve animal experimentation, his principles of Operant Conditioning have been widely applied across various fields, including dog training. 1. Positive Reinforcement and Negative Reinforcement: Skinner did not define positive reinforcement as the removal of negative reinforcement. Positive reinforcement involves adding a favorable stimulus to increase a behavior, while negative reinforcement involves removing an aversive stimulus to increase a behavior. 2. The Quadrants: The quadrants of Operant Conditioning (positive reinforcement, negative reinforcement, positive punishment, negative punishment) are indeed grounded in Skinner’s work. While they’ve been misapplied by some trainers, they aren’t inherently a “system of abuse.” 3. Skinner’s use of Aversive Stimuli: It’s true that some of Skinner’s experiments involved aversive stimuli, but it’s a leap to say that this invalidates the entire system of Operant Conditioning or that trainers are “lying.” 4. Human Focus: Skinner’s principles were indeed focused on understanding human behavior, but the mechanisms he uncovered apply broadly across various species, including dogs. It’s essential to engage with scientific theories critically, but it’s equally important to ensure that criticisms are based on accurate understanding. I recommend reviewing Skinner’s works directly or consulting with academics in the field of behavioral psychology to gain a more nuanced perspective.

[@roberthynesdogtraining]

@@zakgeorge You really need to read his books - all of them. In "Behaviour Of Organisms" (1938), he detailed shocking one dog. Applying negative reinforcement - shock - until the dog figured out that lifting the front leg. Skinner turned of the shock - the negative reinforcement. Turn the power back on - and the dog will learn to replicate pretty quick eh? He called that "positive reinforcement" - the removal of negative. In his book Walden 2, he detailed "Punishment" as the removal of "Positive Reinforcement" - and he's correct. He wasn't adding or subtracting anything. Your definition of "operant conditioning" is a lie - and if dog owners would read his books they would understand this. Cash cow gone! Positive reinforcement is a "desire". Negative reinforcement is the fear. Fear and desire. You don't apply positive reinforcement - you desire it. If you're scared of spiders, then spiders are a 'negative reinforcement" to you. What YOUR positive reinforcement when you see a spider? Fight or flight. Yeah, it's that easy - same for the dog. The dogs fight or flight - that's their positive reinforcement. You can kill the spider or throw it outdoors - that's removing negative reinforcement - AKA "positive reinforcement". You can run away from the spider - remove yourself from the negative reinforcement - AKA "positive reinforcement". Or you can choose to put down the fear - to socialise to it - make the spider "not a big deal". That's is also removing negative reinforcement and that is called socialization. Nothing is a "big deal" anymore - there's your social dog.

[@crotchet1586]

@@roberthynesdogtraining *In his book Walden 2, he detailed "Punishment" as the removal of "Positive Reinforcement" - and he's correct. He wasn't adding or subtracting anything* Page number/paragraph?

[@dinaannnirenstein87]

ABSOLUTELY. It is so frustrating that the pet-parent public is being force-fed false and dangerous information!

[@zodiacdogkennels1006]

He probably one do people that trust the science about there being more than two genders and also you got to think about he said sometimes it will take years to work on recall for your dog other techniques can get it down in three or four months just saying

[@zakgeorge]

Regarding your comment about gender, I want to affirm that I support and respect all individuals, including those who identify outside the traditional gender binary. If you have any concerns about my training methods, please feel free to elaborate, and we can continue this discussion focused on dog training.

[@janhankins911]

What does training dogs have to do with one's attitude toward people's gender identity? Zak has never said anything in any video I've seen (or in either of his books) that indicates his opinion about gender identity. I am glad Zak responded to that--his response makes me like and respect Zak even more. But Zak's videos are about training, so I'd like to keep the discussion to that.

[@zodiacdogkennels1006]

@@janhankins911 it is because he want to say science has debunked hundreds of years of general knowledge of dog training the same as the new science said there were more than two genders what I am saying is they're both fake science that the left wing of us to believe that is clearly not true

[@ash.lou613]

funny. im the alpha of my pack and my dog is 100% off leash and has a 99% perfect recall rate. he is a 6 lb chihuahua. non yappy. well loved and well trained. so maybe MY theory of alpha training is totally something else. I dont consider me owning my dog, its a partnership. he doesnt want to walk with me, then dont i wont attach a leash and FORCE you to come out. you got a pee mat on the balcony enjoy. however you are not going to bark in my home, you are not going to eliminate on all my stuff, you are not going to terrorize ANY animal, you are not going to bite a human. he may not do any tricks except the basic of training, he cant even heel, but you bet i trust my dogs recall enough to walk him downtown in rush hour, with 100 other dogs around, food on the cement, and if i say his full name which is his cue to stop immediately and come back (99% perfect) he will stop 1 inch from a tire and turn on a dime and come running back to me. I tell him to stop and wait, he will wait at whatever corner, street light, you name it his little butt stops. in fact we are so in sync, that i move he moves i stop he stops. that little dog would walk through a war zone with me and trust me 100% to follow me with fear yes, but with trust that I will protect him. i have videos of our off leash walks. and i am getting a pup in the spring and intend on making content on partnership with your dog. a german shep this time. all of my dog owning has been big dogs, 6 out of the 8 were off leash...the two that were not off leash were retired hunting dogs, so i did not trust their training over mine. my current guy is my only little dog. i didnt so anything special but be consistent. i never used a leash, or treats. just love praise and constant source of affection and food. that is alpha. i eat, he eats, i sleep, he sleeps. my dog is me, i am him. i love him more than human alive. and i would give my life for him before any human (and i have 6 kids)

[@timhogue6680]

Let me be the devils advocate for a moment…….how do you explain the military dog training that has some of the most highly trained dogs in the world and they’ve been doing it for decades ? I’m not saying it’s right , I’m saying they are extensively trained for some of the hardest jobs in the world.

[@hannahmiles1324]

🙌🥰

[@janhankins911]

Personally, I'm all for the use of empathy in dog training. But pretend that you don't care about empathy. Even if you don't care about empathy, you should follow current science, not science that is 50 years old, based on flawed methodology, and has been debunked (by just about everyone--including the people who originally did the research). If you need surgery, do you want to use a method that is 50 years old, based on flawed methods and that's been debunked? Or do you want the latest scientific research and the latest medical technology? I'll take the latest and greatest, thank you--for both dog training and surgery.

[@Dabrownman1812]

Did you read the scientific notes? It's best to do so. Without details, people can't tell if they're getting scammed or not. "Science" has scammed people before by people pulling strings to manipulate numbers/variables or hiding/limiting data

[@watchmoivies123]

I believe all dogs and dog breeds are different just like you’re saying they’re not wolves but some dogs are strong-willed and working dogs. Some dogs are little FuFu lab dogs and we’re bred for that. I do believe we need to be a very strong leader with all dogs, but may be a little bit stronger with strong working dogs.

[@karstentopp]

I work with possibly the most working of all working dogs. Border Collies. They are scary intelligent and they respond fantasically to R+ and force-free training.

[@watchmoivies123]

@@karstentopp oh yes, they are smart as anything. I think they’re the number one smartest dogs, but I was talking more about working mali’s and German Shepherd’s that come from really strong working lines. They need a good leader and fair strong trainer. Not everyone can own this type of dog and there’s more than one training method.

[@watchmoivies123]

@@karstentopp border Collie’s are the smartest do you herd ? How do you do agility

[@karstentopp]

@@watchmoivies123 Don’t do agility with them. I take care of rescues and most of them have medical issues like hip dysplasia. My own family of three BC’s show definitively some pack structure. Leela, my oldest bitch is the Capo. She enforces my commands if needed and she keep up standing orders. She is possibly one of the best BC’s I’ve ever seen. She understands complex commands. Blanche is hyperactive. She just can’t stand still be and is constantly on the move. Benny is the most relaxed BC I know. He’s fine with just cuddling up with me and he has absolutely no drive to work. Strange BC, but a good dog to have around as he just fits in, he does what the other dogs do and he is absolutely no bother. And then there’s the crazy mix of foster BC’s… BC’s are the most common dog around here and a lot of the farmers don’t really care about their dogs. They let them breed without consideration and we end up having lots of dogs with problems which are just dumped by their owners.

[@watchmoivies123]

@@karstentopp oh, I believe you are a wonderful person trying to help Border Collie’s live better lives. Yup. Everyone of them are different. I’ve had many also and there’s not one that I can say where the same They are a very unique breed, and have their own little quirks I live people are very responsible and I’m happy for that there are not many strays actually are shelters go down south, or to Pennsylvania to get some dogs to bring up here which is not good that they’re over bred in those areas but it’s good that they go and get them and bring everyone I’ve seen are sweet and gentle. I think it’s the spoiled purebreds. They have a lot of the problems but that’s just me. . Take care oh do you have a KZbin channel with your dogs on it?

[@jeffsales6836]

How many Police Dogs or Military Dogs has Zak trained? Or how many Large Aggressive dogs has Zak trained into well adjusted Dogs? Zero! Stick with teaching Golden Retrievers how to play fetch. If you even do that. Infact I haven't seen you do anything with a dog yet in several videos.

[@pilotracoon80]

It's so frustrating to keep hearing people talk about "alpha" and "dominant" dogs in 2023 when it was debunked 50 years ago already.

[@RavenFirewind]

While the "alpha" aspect has been debunked regarding the captive wolves controversy, being your dog's leader is not the same thing; you HAVE to be your dog's leader, just as the mother and father wolf of any pack are the leaders of their offspring. I think both you and the "alpha" believers have that in common: you conflate the two words, and it's simply inaccurate. Of course, dogs are NOT wolves either; there's a vast difference between wild wolves and domesticated dog breeds, so it was never truly a metric that should have been used in the first place. I digress: you have to be the leader, not because your dog will otherwise think that they are, but because without your guidance, they won't know what to do. Moreover, much as I prefer positive training methods... I'm sorry to say, they don't always work. I abhor training through fear--that's not training to me. But for some dogs (usually those who are nearly too far gone, thanks to incompetent humans), a firmer hand is needed. I don't and would never condone abuse--but I don't think it's realistic to think all dog training can be force-free.

[@erickrisler3555]

I got a 4 year old pit bull that is perfect for you to make a video today and show the Dog Daddy the proper way to help a dog that wants to attack everyone and their dog. Will you accept this wonderful opportunity to help save my dog from being put down?

[@auricgoldfinger8478]

I love you Zak, but I disagree. Pack mentality and hierarchy exist with dogs as they do with their brethren the wolf. With that being said, I’m a balanced trainer with emphasis on what the dog wants and needs

[@zakgeorge]

Really appreciate your feedback. I appreciate your thoughtful perspective, and I’d like to delve into some of the complexities that have shaped my view on this matter. Domestic dogs have been evolving alongside humans for thousands of years. This domestication process has shaped their behavior, making them fundamentally different from wild wolves. While wolves live in nuclear family units with a breeding pair and offspring, dogs form loose, fluid social groups. They do not naturally form packs with rigid hierarchies. Humans control all significant resources in a dog’s life. This alters the dynamics of their behavior compared to wolves who must work cooperatively to hunt and protect territory. Modern dog training emphasizes understanding individual dog needs, preferences, and learning styles. This can lead to more effective and compassionate training than a one-size-fits-all ‘pack leader’ approach. Dogs have developed unique ways to communicate with humans, utilizing body language and vocalizations differently from wolves. They have become specialists in reading human cues. Unlike wolves, domestic dogs do not have to hunt cooperatively. They have adapted to a varied diet, making food-related behaviors very different from their wild counterparts. Different breeds have different behavioral traits and needs. Generalizing all dogs based on wolf behavior does not take into account these unique characteristics. Science is an ever-evolving field. What was once widely accepted can change as more research is conducted. The field of dog behavior is no different, and recent evidence challenges some older beliefs. Building a relationship based on trust and positive reinforcement can lead to a more balanced and happy dog. It’s a philosophy that emphasizes collaboration over domination. The methods used in training should align with our values. If we aim to foster a relationship based on mutual respect and understanding, then our approach should reflect those principles.

[@auricgoldfinger8478]

@@zakgeorge i understand your bias completely. My wolf interpretation is based on Rick McIntyre and Doug Smiths writings and their extension to canines, no personal experience. My canine experience involves our own pack of 5, and foster rescuing many many others, with work in humane societies. I regard you as the best at what you do, truly remarkable. I have to rely on props and leash varieties that you don’t seem to need. I also don’t have your patience

[@JuliaB1955]

@@zakgeorge The evolution of the species as a result of close attachment, camaraderie with humans. Absolutely!

[@thepope56]

Nope dogs arnt wolves but they are both pack animals

[@bayareagrl4ever526]

My own vet apparently believe in this theory…

[@zakgeorge]

It’s true that a lot of them do! Culture is powerful! Most vets do not take behavior training, though some do and it’s important to take that into account. But I can assure you that any vet backing the alpha hypothesis is ignorant on this particular topic. That doesn’t necessarily mean they are a bad bad though.

[@Hogdawg1911]

No one think this fella is a little weird

[@zakgeorge]

I get this a lot!😂

[@hannahmiles1324]

Weird is good ☺️

[@Hogdawg1911]

@@zakgeorge still not debated ur science based methods or the studies there based on with Ivan balabanov on the TWC podcast as a dog trainer u should honored Ivan is willing to have u on the show Everyone knows the only people worried of debating ideas are those who can't back up the ideas with any substance Go debate overcome ivans bad ideas with ur better ideas Show all Ivan fans how wrong he is rather than preaching to ur bunch who are already convinced Its a bit harder to lie to people who actually know the industry Now I know there some bad trainers out there to heavy handed to aggressive but ur full of it ur self also on the other end of the scale

[@Ebusje]

Not concerning dog training, but your dog sees you as the pack leader. If you're not a strong leader, it might result in an aggressive dog who just wants to protect the ones he loves. 20% is dog training, 80% is humans learning how to communicate with a dog.

[@zakgeorge]

While I appreciate your perspective, I’d like to clarify that the idea of a “pack leader” is a misconception that doesn’t align with modern, evidence-backed dog training methods. Dogs do look to us for guidance and support, but not as part of a strict hierarchy as seen in wolf packs. Aggression in dogs typically stems from fear, anxiety, or unmet needs rather than a lack of strong leadership. It’s crucial to understand our dogs as individual beings with unique temperaments and needs, rather than trying to fit them into a rigid “pack” dynamic. I do agree that human education plays a significant role in successful dog training, as understanding how to communicate with our dogs is key. It’s not about dominating them or asserting ourselves as “leaders” but rather about building trust, partnership, and effective communication. By focusing on positive reinforcement and empathy, we can create a more harmonious relationship with our dogs, fostering their confidence and well-being.

[@karstentopp]

@@zakgeorge But the "pack dynamic" is far more dynamic than we think. It's not always the Aplha (I uses this freely as an abbreviation for the senior pack member) that leads the hunt or makes all the decisions. The dog pack structure is much more fluid, with some specialisation and delegation for good measure. The pack is much more like the human family, where the parents may have the final say, but everyone is pulling their weight. There is a reason, why dogs and humans evolved together, we have more in common than we humans may like to admit.

[@JenKirby]

I have always found it easy to stop puppy biting by squealing like a hurt puppy and turning away. That’s a style of “training” that doesn’t have anything to do with strength.

[@Ebusje]

@zakgeorge "rigid pack dynamic" 🤣 that doesn't add up. How about "rigid modern evidence based dog training" . Of course, there are many reasons why a dog could be aggressive, I just named one of them. Keep an open mind, there are many ways to train people, dogs, horses etc, not only that "modern evidence based dog training" you love to refer to.

[@JenKirby]

@@zakgeorge I have an example that illustrates your comment. I had a dog who barked aggressively at approaching dogs until I read Turid Rugaas’s book “Calming Signals in Dogs” and I turned my back on approaching dogs. Poor Badger looked up at me and sighed with relief. He had been worried that I was doing the wrong thing!

[@MaN-pw1bn]

Dogs are pack animals, period - full stop. And the dog doesn't have to be a wolf to operate by this deeply engrained concept - ever see those packs of non-wolf dogs running on the streets? You're giving bad information. Being that they are pack animals who have a need for social structure based on hierarchical constructs - it's very important that a dog is fully aware of its place in the family (pack) and distinguishing it from its role in the animal pack (your other pets). The problem is that you're trying to squash legitimate, proven methods of training that get quick results and your envy is showing. There is a lot wrong with rewarding/motivating a dog with treats - most importantly what happens when you run out of treats... You keep saying that Dog Daddy supporters are your friend, no animosity for them - but by attacking his methods you attack those who support his very helpful techniques. What have you done to help people in these situations? Show us Zak.

[@michaelraymon111]

You are just a clown making statements with no evidence. Watching dogs run in the street isn't evidence.

[@michaelraymon111]

They are not legitimate you people wre just clowns

[@SP-wp4eb]

Zak: I recently discovered your channel, and I must admit that I find it rather ironic. You frequently discuss your opposition to the use of choke/prong collars in training, yet upon reviewing most of your videos, it appears you primarily work with dog breeds known for their ease of training. I can't help but chuckle at the contrast. Are you serious? You're offering advice on training dominate dog breeds that weigh 130 lbs or more, but the dogs featured in your videos typically range from 5 lbs to a maximum of 60 lbs. It's quite amusing, to say the least!