I’m shocked that this video is controversial. What I Think About So-Called “Balanced Dog Training”

[@argophontes]

It seems to me that one of the fundamental mis-steps in communication between different types of dog training is the conflation of the 𝘦𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴 of a particular technique with the 𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘤𝘴 of that technique, and that conflation carries with it a personal emotional investment that can make critiques feel like either personal or systemic attacks. All four of the operant conditioning quadrants are effective, and this is simply an objective fact. That fact, however, doesn't address whether or not there is an ethical problem with some of them. "Balanced" training utilizes all four quadrants, while "positive" training only uses two (yes, the focus is on positive reinforcement, refusing access to a rewarding stimulus until the correct behavior is presented is negative punishment). Even if the two methodologies had identical rates of effective performance (they don't, methods that emphasize positive reinforcement as the primary tool showed both higher levels of learning speed and retention), the question still remains: If you can train a dog just as effectively 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 using aversives, is it morally a problem to do so? My personal answer to that is 'Yes', I don't think that it's ok to cause stress or discomfort to a dog without a compelling reason to do so. The dog training world has far, far too much ego attached directly to training method (as evidenced by the comment section of any dog training video that dares to critique a different method), and we should be spending more time looking at the data instead of doing things "because I've always done it this way, and it works fine." Some of the science I mentioned: Arhant C, Bubna-Littitz H, Bartels A, Futschik A, Troxler J. Behaviour of smaller and larger dogs: Effects of training methods, inconsistency of owner behaviour and level of engagement in activities with the dog. Appl Anim Behav Sci. 2010;123(3-4):131-142. Hiby EF, Rooney NJ, Bradshaw JWS. Dog training methods: their use, effectiveness and interaction with behaviour and welfare. Anim Welf. 2004;13(1):63-69. Rooney NJ, Cowan S. Training methods and owner-dog interactions: Links with dog behaviour and learning ability. Appl Anim Behav Sci. 2011;132(3-4):169-177.

[@zakgeorge]

Thoughtful words! Well stated.

[@FWS_Sinister]

No one could've said it better, this comment needs more likes.

[@rufflifecanineservices1585]

"I don't think that it's ok to cause stress or discomfort to a dog without a compelling reason to do so." The most important part of this well written response. I agree with every point you make here when applied to a puppy but from my observations of Balanced trainers and some aversive methods they employ is usually an adult dog with aggressive and reactive behavior. I've attempted to use treats and happy vocal stimuli in those situations and what I learned from that experience is either the dog is not interested in the treats because they are laser focused on the object OR they think I am rewarding them for their potentially dangerous behavior, which is inadvertently training them to be aggressive. So the question begs... what would you as a purely positive trainer do in that situation?

[@aline9123]

(First, Thank you Zak George for your Videos, they where a tremendous help to me.) I mostly agree. But for my taste it is a little too theoretical. Yes in a perfect world there would be everything with „positive“ training. But i belive that there is right now a gap between this theoretical possibility to do it all positive and the praktikal appliance. I love how Mr. Gorge shows what is possible and gives so much faith in this method and encourages me to try and try to get it done positive. But i also see that there is a lot of skill involved to „read“ your dog and to know how to work on things. Not everyone is that skilled or can manage to get that skilled in time (before things go south). And you can worsen stuff with a positive approache done wrong. E.g. letting self reinforcment happen for unwanted behaivoirs by accident. That does not mean that with balanced, adversive or whatever you will try this wont happen, but also „positve“ can create problems (done wrong). And having for some situations a fallback with a balanced metheod can be more ethical correct, in my opinion, than having stress with and for the dog for months or more. And this is what is happening in cases. And than saying someone who uses any kind of correction is ethicaly misbehaving ist to crass to me. I dont think that dogs can‘t have a happy live with people who arn‘t the perfect dog trainers. And i don‘t belive that trainer who give people who are struggeling a balanced way out arn‘t ethicaly wrong either. Please don‘t missunderstand me, i absoluty advocate for the mildest possible approach. And i truly belive you should try your best to get done as much as possible as positive as possible. But you can‘t just ignore the skill oft he people. And i think this channel is a hughe step in enabaling people to do more the positve way. And i also belive that the more fundament you have with your dog in postive training the less „adversive“ will be „needed“ even by whose struggle in some areas with positive approaches. I think giving people the feeling what they do is ethically wrong, and/or that they are not good enough is fanning the flames between „balanced“ and „positive“.

[@argophontes]

@@rufflifecanineservices1585 That's the kind of situation where I think this conversation tends to live. Obviously every dog is different, and you have to train the dog in front of you, but generally speaking, at least in my case (I don't generally refer to myself as a 'positive' trainer, I usually use LIMA) I would back up the training and control the setting more until I hit a point where the dog 𝘪𝘴 interested, then work up from there. In my experience, the most common situation in which positive training "fails" is simply that the trainer isn't really willing to keep backing up until they find the spot where the dog is "at".

[@MelindaHarris]

Zak, you were my inspiration for training our Goldendoodle (Standard size 65 lbs so far) and I have to say he is at 10 months very well trained thanks to your videos. He was completely potty trained by 13 weeks with a total of 3 accidents since. He sits, he stays, he leaves it, he shakes, he hugs, he fetches, he sits for meals and does not go near his food until I say okay….now barking at people out our windows and in the backyard….lets just say we are working on it! :)

[@Michael-Humphrey]

Only thing that helped my 120lb Cane Corso who became lease reactive toward dogs and people at the age of 4 only used positive only training on all my dogs but I ended up getting a herm sprenger prong and 180 saved my dog and only had to use it for a week and boom back to his old self ! Positive methods for 99% of training but when it comes to real aggression good luck

[@jennietalbot4329]

Totally agree I have three dogs two I only use positive only training , the third I use balanced training as she is a APBT and could defiantly do damage if not controlled appropriately she is actually very sweet and obedient BUT I am very aware of what she is and I am always in control of her ❤

[@jorats]

I found you 12 years ago. My aussie mix was just 10 weeks old. I changed my training method using exactly what you encouraged. My girl is now 12 years old. I can't even count how many times I have/had people compliment me and Gypsy on her behaviour and almost human like character. We have such a beautiful relationship. You made me see Gypsy as a companion. Gypsy is the best dog I have ever had and I know it's because of you. Thank you!

[@shanevincent1000]

That's great to hear! I am determined to make our new Brittany the best dog I have ever had, and using these techniques has been incredibly effective. Even though she is only 8 weeks old and it may have been too soon to start, by the second day in her new home, she was already sitting and lying down. She is definitely a smart pup, but I attribute her progress to these loving techniques because they truly work!

[@kmclare2]

As a vet I have to say I absolutely love the way you train and try to help pet owners understand why positive reinforcement is preferred. It’s not just about getting the behaviour you want, it’s about helping the dog really understand it and building a bond. I’ve referred several clients with their first puppies to watch your videos!

[@anonanonymous1970]

I'm so glad to hear that a vet is promoting positive conditioning. Are you a vet in the U.S.? If so, could you help me understand why vets here have rejected non-surgical options for neutering?

[@kmclare2]

@@anonanonymous1970 I am not in the US. What type of non surgical neutering are you asking about?

[@anonanonymous1970]

@@kmclare2 Well, in the UK and other countries, vets administer shots that curb testosterone and sterilize without surgery. Some only last 6 months so that owners can observe the effects before committing to neutering. In the U.S., we are required to neuter by surgery - vets here have refused to use these other options (presumably because they cost less).

[@anonanonymous1970]

I'm starting to suspect that the removal of key hormones (on top of the trauma of spay/neuter surgery) underpins a lot of dog behavioral issues. Understandably!

[@kmclare2]

@@anonanonymous1970 part of the problem is the part about owners needing to pay close attention to signs if/when it wears off. Unfortunately many owners don't, and the concern with overpopulation mostly has to do with people not paying close enough attention to their dogs in the first place (hence accidental breedings). Also, if the concern is that not enough testosterone leads to health issues, then how is it any different if testosterone is chemically or surgically removed? Honestly, if the dog has behavioural issues related to testosterone (marking or territorial aggression), neutering surgically is best. I see A LOT of dogs that are neutered and many that aren't. Those with behavioural issues have more to do with not enough training, and almost nothing to do with the presence of testosterone, or lack thereof.

[@Bigglesman96]

6:45 that's not balanced training though. it's not disputed that positive reinforcement is best for teaching dogs behaviors. Balanced training is for correcting the wrong choice a dog makes with a behavior they already know. You can teach a dog with treats to come but as soon as something more interesting catches their attention they won't care about the treat. there needs to be a consequence or you won't have reliability. 10:50 that's not how e collar training works at all. Before you ever put an e collar on a dog You first have to teach the dog the behavior and queue of going to a 'place'. Balanced training is still positive reinforcement. Once the dog fully understands the command you introduce the stimulation at the level of barely registering the feeling. The dog already knows the command, and knows how to shut off the stimulation immediately. I don't know a single trainer who just shocks a dog until they happen to touch the place, that's not realistic at all. Everything you've demonstrated in this video are the same methods used by balanced trainers. The difference is a balanced trainer then works on getting reliability. 20:17 I don't know of any balanced trainers who would correct a fearful puppy. It sort of just seems like you have a huge misconception on what balanced training actually is. Bottom line is all behaviors are taught with positive reinforcement. All behaviors must be practiced in several different environments until the dog fully understands what it is you want and you have good communication. The balanced side of things comes about when the dog actively CHOOSES not to do what you ask because they don't feel like it, Not because they are confused or scared. A tiny bit of aversion means complete freedom for balance trained dogs.

[@yelyzavetahavrylchenko7047]

Exactly. He doesn't really get how balanced training actually is done...

[@Erin_29]

absolutely agree 💯 with you. great comment

[@JurassicWhitney]

"When a dog actively CHOOSES not to do something because they don't feel like it" - Dogs, wont respond to something asked of them for many reasons. Not just because they don't feel like it. Are they tired, hungry, bored, distracted, have to toilet, have they learned that behavior in that context? Dogs are sentient beings with thought processes. Not something to "command" around. The goal is to always set the animal up for success. When humans feel the need for punishment to happen, it is usually the failure of the set up and not of the animal. One of your first mentions was about recall. If there is always a punisher for not coming back, 1) they shouldn't be in a situation if you know their recall isn't solid and 2) a recall should NEVER be punished as that is a life saving behavior. Why would an animal want to come to you when they had been punished before for not coming? Recall is a behavior that needs a ton of positive rehearsal with rewards because coming when called is so important. I train check-ins without being asked and will train recalls but want them to be used when necessary. I'm going on a tangent about recalls so I'll stop there... haha but the point being, tools shouldn't need to be used if the training before is solid. As you said, Balanced trains the behavior first before tools, then why would tools be needed if the behavior is trained?

[@Bigglesman96]

@@JurassicWhitney so your saying a dog should ignore a recall if it's hungry? Bored? Tired? A dog actively chooses to ignore a recall(assuming they understand and have already been trained) because there is something more interesting to them. Maybe it's a scent. Maybe it's a rabbit, maybe it's another dog. You can train a recall with treats and get a dog that listens 90% of the time but that one time they decide they'd rather do something else is the time you NEED them to listen. yes, in training you always set a dog up for success, but what a balanced trainer does after successfully teaching a dog a behavior through positive reinforcement, is ensure 99.9% reliability with that command. And because of that reliability the dog has 100% freedom to go be a dog. so while a positive trainer can train a recall, they will never be able to truly trust their dog off a leash around every possible distraction. As I've mentioned before the method for training dogs in positive only and balanced is exactly the same; you teach a dog through positive reinforcement and repetition. Where balanced training differs is ensuring reliability after the hard work is done.

[@Bigglesman96]

@@JurassicWhitney also worth noting not all dogs are the same. I'm sure someone could train their border collie a reliable recall with treats only and never have to introduce a punishment. good luck using that method with a husky! 😂 Not all training works the same for certain dogs. some dogs are soft, some dogs are hard. It's a case by case basis. But this is Also why you see so many positive only trainers telling people they should put their stubborn/reactive/aggressive dog down because they don't know how to handle them. Give that same "aggressive" dog to a balanced trainer and they'll have it fixed in a hour.

[@manolopapas]

This kind of explanation is really very helpful. I have both your books, but that's the way to teach us how to form the training sessions on every occasion and not just rely on what we have seen. Thank you very much. Keep up the good work.

[@beckyatchison]

This progression is amazing! Excellent work. Thank you so much for creating a wonderful guide to bond with our best friends! I also appreciate the explanation of balanced training and the fact that everyone is different with their training methods.

[@tonyveguilla8358]

As a trainer myself I try to understand the techniques of multiple trainers. You are such a nice guy and always take the high road, which I respect. I said yesterday on Beckman's channel that if more people employed positive reinforcement training as a puppy less people would have to take their 3 year old out of control dogs to people like Joel (who I like and respect as well)

[@spectral_moss]

Yes, I have very similar thoughts as you

[@MrsFitzus]

I love Joel, and Tom Davis. They are the people to go to when you have a dog with serious issues. Zak is the guy you go to when you are training a new puppy or some new behaviors. I also really like Stonie Dennis for positive reinforcement training. He had some good videos on puppy adventure training.

[@tonyveguilla8358]

@@MrsFitzus I watch every trainer I come across to sharpen my skills and learn other's perspectives. Chris Perondi is amazing as well. I'll check out your suggestion...thanks!

[@laylaflame]

@@MrsFitzus This idea that positive reinforcement doesn't work for dogs with serious issues is an odd one. Serious issues like aggression, reactivity, separation anxiety, etc are all caused by emotional problems, and as Zach explained in this video, aversive techniques have risks in making the underlying cause worse. Often we see learned helplessness where dogs are punished for expressing their fear or stress, sure the dog might appear better behaved, but their mental wellbeing has not improved. Positive reinforcement is not just for obedience training.

[@Hiforest]

@@tonyveguilla8358 Do you happen to know if there's any way to tame down a prey drive? My dogs are jack Russell/chihuahua Cross and it's one area I am at a bit of a loss (I just keep them on their leash when there's rabbits around since they killed one last year) - they don't have this behaviour any other time and usually have great impulse control and recall. "Leave it" works for absolutely everything else, except a rabbit. I'm not one for giving up but I'm a bit stuck with how to tackle it. Any advice or recommended reading material/videos would be greatly appreciated. (They're 3-4kg and have more of a chihuahua build, even if I was happy for them to hunt rabbits, they'll wind up getting badly injured).

[@fannitrainedstars]

You have come so far with little Biscuits!!!! Incredible job with her and I loveee your mindset too, your videos are really informative and useful, I have been watching you for years. 🥰🥰🥰💗💗💗💗

[@MsMinivanmom]

New puppy owner here so I’ve watched tons of videos and read tons of articles. I keep coming back to your way. I don’t want to hurt my dog to fix a behavior. I do need professional help to progress but I know what I’m looking for and it’s definitely positive reinforcement. Thank you Zac

[@desertbluecatnm]

Zak, I love how you actively work to avoid arguments about dog training methods, refusing to be drawn in to those types of conversations just to create controversy. Instead, you explain why your methods work for you and for the dogs. It's a pleasure to listen to you!

[@Aswodel]

The only reason this guy has views is because he is starting a war between the lifelyhood of dogtrainers and himself as a KZbin ENTERTAINER.. your just picking a side thats comfortable to you so you have at least one opinion...

[@desertbluecatnm]

@@Aswodel Wow...you heard something different than I did in the video so I guess you've picked something that is comfortable for *your* opinion. Whatever. I don't argue with people who exist in an alternate reality.

[@k9trainergsd]

The unfortunate part of his video is that he continually insults balanced trainers by using “example of balance trading” that are completely and utterly ridiculous. No trainer would use an ecollar to correct a frightened dog. No trainer would use an ecollar to teach a place command. For that matter, ecollars don’t TEACH. He makes balanced trainers out to be sadistic people. On the contrary. They love dogs even more than PPTs. Please check out Ivan Balabanov. He’s a balanced trainer. Two time World Champion and 14 time National Champion. You can see and feel his love for his dogs.

[@mikefrost5481]

@@k9trainergsd I agree 100% ! Even with a dog that isn't nervous/scared/skittish, I wouldn't use an E.Collar to try to "teach" anything.. Only to stop/correct a behavior if I can't get through to the dog with a regular lead or prong.. I've had dog's that wouldn't react the slightest to a prong.. they'd just pull harder.

[@k9trainergsd]

@@mikefrost5481 To only use an ecollar to stop unwanted behaviours is a huge waste of a great tool. I very seldom use it to correct. I’m talking 1-2% of its use. I’m hoping people read this and do a lot of research on the use of ecollars.

[@briannanelson4791]

I think the problem with this argument is the misrepresentation of what balanced dog training is. A good balnced dog trainer is not yanking the dog around and saying "you'll do what I say or else". They're telling a dog "hey, I need you to pay attention and follow my lead because that's what's best for you". They use tools in order to communicate effectively with a dog. They do not promote abusing a dog. We either grow or break under pressure. A good dog trainer knows when pressure is good and healthy and when it is not. It's easy to attack an entire philosophy of dog training when you set up a strawman to throw punches at.

[@aliceli8137]

Exactly. 90%+ of balanced training is positive reinforcement, they're just also using corrections to teach the dog what is okay and not okay.

[@melissa2500]

The problem might be that all we see on social media is so-called "balanced trainers" using P+ all the damn time. They will say things like "Im using a harmless tool to lead the dog" but the reality is you're strangling the dog everytime he/she pulls 🤦‍♀️ what they do is far more relevant than what they say, ultimately, and just because you use nice words to describe a technique doesnt mean it isnt abusive to use it systematically

[@briannanelson4791]

@@melissa2500 Are ypu talking about prong collars?

[@raylee7566]

@@melissa2500 do you know that a dog hitting the end of the leash forcefully on a flat collar, or even pulling on a flat collar can collapse a trachea? A tool used correctly like a prong or e collar to communicate to the dog not to pull before it gets to the point of injury is safer then dragging it around “force free” with a flat collar? Also show dogs are shown on slip leads which in your theory is an aversive abusive tool

[@melissa2500]

@@raylee7566 any type of collar will inevitably strangle your dog. Any. Flat vs prong vs whatever. Where I live, NONE of these are even LEGAL for dogs over 20kg. And obviously, I'm against "hitting the end of the leash" no matter which tool you are using. I trained my 11mo aussie puppy not to pull with directions and rewards. I use a harness for safety, but ideally I never pull on it on purpose. It works. One of my best friends is a dog trainer and only uses this type of method as well, and it works every damn time. There is no logical or ethical reasons to cause willingly discomfort to dog, especially puppies, when it's absolutely not necessary. Especially before trying anything else. Dm me if you want proof/videos/tutorials, ill be more than happy to help people stop strangling their dogs for "training". Insta: @murphy.et.ses.amis

[@vagandita]

Love this! Every time I've been frustrated or worried and tempted to go the correction route, I force myself to think of how I have set up the dog to fail. For example, my Great Pyrenees knows a recall cue, but he stopped responding from a distance. I thought about one of those vibration collars to nudge him, but then decided to go back several steps in training and reinforce more heavily from a shorter distance with less distractions. Now he's back to recalling from across a football field. Three rescue dogs in, all with their own reactivities, and I have yet to need anything but positive reinforcement. I go at their pace not mine, just like I do for my anxious human clients. It's on us to be creative and compassionate. No mammal learns better when they're worried that something bad will happen. It's like smacking your kid when they get a math problem wrong. They'll learn not to say the wrong thing, but they won't learn how to solve the problem.

[@inkwhiskers9948]

Perhaps. But getting a maths problem wrong doesn't usually mean the child will run into the road and die. Or that the child will run over to another innocent child and maul it to death. But then, to counter my own argument, if you're a responsible owner you would know if your dog has aggression and you wouldn't let it off leash. But that doesn't change the running-into-the-road issue. 🤔

[@inkwhiskers9948]

Also forgot to say that I love Great Pyrenees. My dad has one crossed with Maremma. Beautiful dogs!

[@simplynature2324]

@inkwhiskers9948 lots of balanced trainers use that as an excuse for using e collars or prongs but it's really just lazy. As OP said, you have to go at the dog's pace and not hurry the training. You start with a long leash and when the dog has reliable recall with the long leash you go off leash in a fenced area, and only after that if the dog has a perfect recall 100% of the time that's when you can truly go off leash in parks and whatnot. If the dog struggles with the recall off leash you go back a few steps. There's no need for e-collars. There are a bunch of dogs that are trained using the positive reinforcement method that have perfect recall. If they can do it, so can you.

[@tayriobravo6204]

I have to admit , that watching you train and deal with a biting puppy helped me. I have had a few dogs over the years and training has changed so much. I have a 10 week old Mountain Labradoodle and we are in the height of biting and teething. I was going about it all wrong and was on the road to ruining my relationship with this pup. Within a day of doing more positive instead of corrective, he’s happier, I’m happier and we are getting to know each other. He’s calmer, I’m calmer and it’s made for an easier transition.

[@kathleen7840]

Zak, I have been using your tips and training methods, and they have been wonderful! The word "yes!" makes my dog so happy, and he realizes when he is doing something good without the need of a clicker. I think you are an amazing trainer, and the proof is in what you have accomplished. I am a teacher, and we teacher have been told to set our students up for success by making the rules very clear on the very first day of school. If they know what is expected of them, they can do well. That's why I really respect you as a trainer. YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, ZAK! Look at the thousands of people who are following you. Think about this... If you took an exam (in school) that had a thousand or more questions on it and you only miss five or ten questions, you still would have an A+ on that exam! Stay true to your methods. You are changing the lives of thousands of dogs! Thank you for all you do!

[@lynnevolga]

I started watching your videos when I was thinking of adopting a dog. On my bucket list: Train a dog. It's still on the bucket list. Two things happened. I found that my local rescue center has a lot of cats for adoption and extremely few dogs. And, around that time I discovered that you can train cats. Mind blown. Different than dogs, but many overlapping techniques and philosophies. I continue watching Zak George videos because they're interesting (taking a completely untrained dog, showing both successes and failures--very engaging) and even useful to training my adopted cat. My kitty doesn't really get "no." And some of the things I've used "no" with because I haven't figured out ways to turn them into a successful "yes" have become "yes" in his mind because he gets a reaction out of me. Of course, I just don't have it in me to inflict pain with my "no," so my "no" isn't really a clear "no" I suppose. Though I didn't train him overtly, most recently he seems to have understood that tapping me on the face gets him what he wants much quicker than biting (play biting, of course, but still painful for me). I didn't directly teach him that. He seems to initiate his own training sometimes! But the directly teaching him tricks (as well as a few useful things like "wait" and "look at me") is so fun, and he often requests training (sometimes by doing a trick without my prompting at all) and purrs his way through it. Thank you for your teaching--the how-to's and the philosophy behind them! They work with my cat too!

[@awesomeman340]

Zak I’d like to thank you for your videos and what they’ve done for me and my puppy! I got a Boxer/Pit mix and even though this is truly my first time taking care of a puppy without anyones help, your videos have helped when it comes to sitting, speaking, potty training and walking! I thank you very much for all the videos you’ve put out and wish you the best!

[@westcoastdoglover]

I'm so happy I came across your channel. We need MORE dog trainers online like you so we can drown out all the awful "trainers". I've seen so-called dog trainers hit dogs with rolled-up towels (looking at you, Jeff Gellman). Yesterday, I saw a "trainer" tell people to hit their dog with their open hand if that's what it takes. And people listen! And look up to these people. I truly believe a bunch of narcissists took to the internet because they saw an opportunity to feed their egos. There are so many dogs out there getting abused because these people are manipulative and convincing. It breaks my heart that social media lifts these people up and gives them a platform.

[@beastinblack4055]

End of the day if a punishment doesn’t resolve the emotions that led to an undesired behaviour then it is just abuse. Plus punishment to a dog doesn’t have to seem like punishment if it stops an undesired behaviour. I don’t understand why people have to see punishment as a means of force.

[@rachelalfandre3082]

Hi Zak, I just discovered your videos and even though I've raised and trained 4 dogs in my life, I am so glad to learn new, better ways of doing things. Your positive, very empathic and attuned approach to teaching and training dogs really resonates with me and makes so much sense. Thank you for getting your wonderful philosophy out there!

[@lorelaicharpentier723]

Great video. Most people like to criticize or mock positive reinforcement trainers, but the results are proof that it works. Keep up the good work Zak, you're a great example to those following you.

[@alenavesela2213]

Why would peole mock positive reinforcement? o_O

[@workingsables4483]

Thw reason people mock them is videos like this bashing other styles of training. I utilize psoriasis reinforces in my training techniques, and the e collar is not ever used as a punishment with my dogs, neither the prong. Many of my client dogs don't ever get up to thst point and stay on a martingale or use just a harness or flat collar with rewards. Dogs don't learn one size fits all, just like there's different types of teachers for kids. If a dog is a danger and trying to bite people or dogs to a certain extreme, yes, i will implement the balanced out fair correction and then follow that up with intense reward. Dogs have to learn to handle discomfort, I wish I could say otherwise, but again, same for humans. It's time we start setting our dogs up for success in the world instead of being shocked when the dog bites someone with the handlers back turned.

[@walnutgynneenderson4043]

People only mock PURELY positive reinforcement trainers. I'm not sure that anyone with a dog would disagree that positive reinforcement can be useful. HOWEVER, does anyone really know how to fix an aggressive dog with purely treats and affection? No. Not to my knowledge.

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

@@workingsables4483 💯💯

[@Aswodel]

Zack even calls himself a trainer while not working with other people and their dogs. This is just a marketing guy trying to convince people of some sort of ultimate right and wrong. Maybe he thinks he's jezus. And meanwhile real dog trainers lose their jobs.

[@wolfgirl5636]

I think some correction tools are judged too quickly, my dog struggles with recall, we use an ecollar to help us communicate. however it only vibrates to get his attention I would never in 2 million years shock him or anything remotely similar. I also use a martingale collar to help with heelwork training and because when I first rescued him he would slip out of collars and harnesses. Now tho I mostly use it to help break his prey drive focus on cats, squirrels etc and get him refocused on me and some treats. Using tools isn't bad however people who purposely cause their dogs pain or lots of discomfort to get a disired behavior really need to take a step back and look at what they are doing and why.

[@laululla]

I think there should not be an e-collar that gives electrical shocks.

[@wolfgirl5636]

@@laululla I agree it's unnecessary and cruel

[@user-md7mk7fb8g]

@@laululla e-collars are not shock collars nor do they give electrical shocks. They use small electrical pulses that are extremely low, so low that you as a human would not be able to perceive it. Humans aren't able to feel the stimulus of an e-collar until it is turned up to about a 6/7 and almost all dogs in an e-collar work off a stimulation level of 4 or lower.

[@Erin_29]

@@user-md7mk7fb8g exactly.

[@laululla]

@@user-md7mk7fb8g I don’t understand a reason why to sell collars where you could give "stimulus". In my work I sometimes give electrical treatment for humans and from the experience I know that same settings in the same devise can be uncomfortable to some people when others cant feel it.

[@mrahzzz]

I love that you opened up this conversation, but I especially love how respectfully, thoughtfully, logically, and openly you've done so. You've been careful to not attack anyone and avoid hurt feelings (which is one of the first places where conversation on this topic can break down - people feeling they're being attacked for their choices and understanding in dog training, which stops them from hearing what is being said). I also adore that you're not going by anecdote, but by what our current best scientific understanding says (it's so easy for us as humans to completely reject current scientific, procedural conclusions for anecdote), and warning that intuition isn't always right, or doesn't always manage to correctly identify what's going on (eg, the "alpha" approach - feels intuitive maybe to some people: the idea that our world works by people (and by extension our dogs or other pets, or maybe our children) just wanting to "be in charge" or "test us," so we have to establish authority, when the reality is that we need to establish trust and boundaries - misbehaving isn't a dog trying to "be in charge," it's just the dog doing something that seems stimulating or rewarding, and not knowing our reasoning for wanting it to do something else). So. Good. I love objective, thoughtful, logical approaches to understanding our world, and (beyond your helpful insights, demonstrations, advice, and knowledge) that's what ultimately keeps me coming back to your channel.

[@spectral_moss]

Here’s my take: I believe positive reinforcement should be used for most dogs, almost all of the time. Say, teaching sit, down, rollover, etc. along with desensitization, it’s completely unnecessary to use any “unpleasant” methods. That also goes for anxious and fear reactive dogs who really just need to build their confidence and where corrections would generally only delay that. Where I think purely positive methods often stop being effective is in super-confident dogs who lack impulse control and/or ignore rewards and redirection. (Dominance also falls under this category but I believe it is relatively uncommon as a problem) And I say, even with those dogs, always try positive methods first, only if it shows no improvement would you move to very mild corrections. At the end of the day, you never want a dog to act out of fear.

[@laylaflame]

I work with a lot of confident high energy dogs, I think the problems comes down to not setting them for success in training. Especially if we are not confident in our training and dog handling skills, we tend to want to take our time and hesitate more, where as these dogs won't always wait around. I've taught many confident dogs impulse control - but we dont want to complete supress their fun, its important to give them time to express themselves. I find training with play works fantastic for these dogs.

[@eliasdefoort8299]

This is exactly what "balanced dog training" is, I think... I've adopted a dog from a shelter and positive reinforcement only worked with basic obedience, but had no effect on the leash pulling and reactiveness. Just giving very tiny 'corrections', definitely not janking the leash, helped him understand what pressure on the leash means. Its all about what helps your dog understand what you are communicating. This is just from my experience. Positive only for 6 months didn't have any effect, 'balanced' training helped my boy feel more confident in 2 months. He now knows that I got his back and he can rely on me to help him in situations he has a harder time with... As long as the dogs feel happy, anyone should use what works!

[@shepherd8407]

Balanced trainers use positive reinforcement too and I feel like people forget this! We aren’t those alpha people who haven’t matured past the 1900’s way of dog training, we use positive reinforcement too! We use all 4 of the quadrant

[@Sundanes]

Agree 100% Spectral, I have a dog that is hyper aware and lacks impulse control, the minute I run out of treats his head starts sweeping the rest of the world for his next dopamine hit; treats only serve to enforce overstimulation with him. Since my dog is 150 lbs and still growing I can't wait another year or more to see if using only positive reinforcement ends up working out, he must be corrected for improper behavior and understand that it will not be tolerated. Does that mean that I have to shock and beat him? No, absolutely not, but poor behavior is met with a pop on the leash and direction to do the correct thing.

[@darcywalsh476]

I agree. I haven’t seen much of this channel, but I would love to see him adopt a dog that’s been sitting at a shelter for 2 years and is completely out of control, aggressive and fearful, to see how he would handle that.

[@veedebee]

Great video, it’s incredibly useful to have the examples of how you tackle real life situations vs instinctive (lets face it for most people we default to ‘no’ before our brain has assessed the situation fully) reactions. Just having the conversation as you train each thing is SO helpful, because when you are in the moment and getting frustrated it’s sometimes difficult to see a better way even when you know there is one.

[@user-md7mk7fb8g]

For anyone seeking to use an e-collar, understand it is an advanced and late stage training tool. Your dog should be able to successfully and reliably complete basic commands like sit, stay, come when called, wait, leave it, and place prior to ever using an e-collar. If your dog can not do these tasks, do not jump into training with an e-collar and DO NOT TRAIN WITH AN E-COLLAR WITHOUT THE SUPERVISION OF A PROFESSIONAL. Furthermore, vet that professional. They should be able to provide you with clients who can give feedback about their training, them as a person, and the trainer should be able to provide their credited credentials to you as well as testimonials from previous clients you can contact. If they can't provide this information or are reluctant and/or can't produce it in a speedy fashion, whether they be balanced or positive, DO NOT trust them with your dog. *puts soap box away*

[@Erin_29]

🙌🙌

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Would you like to be shocked?

[@catherinejennings5637]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyet some of them just vibrate or make a quiet noise to que them to do something(such as containing them in an invisible fence, or cuing them to come), not all e collars are shock collars, nor are all of them painfull or upsetting for a dog. I do agree that shock collars shouldn't be used though.

[@helenasvarcova8559]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyet please educate yourself about e collars before you say such nonsense

[@Yusheesan]

Silly advice. There us no such thig as a "professional" in dog training because dog training is not a professional field. It requires no training or education. So, what "credentials" is a dog trainer supposed to provide? All you need is a functional brain and an ability to follow instructions and watch a few videos on how to use an e-collar from experienced trainers. An e-collar is not a "late stage training tool" because it should not be used in teaching a dog commands. Teaching sit, stay, come, and so on is independent from using an e-collar because an e-collar should be used to prevent a behavior, not to teach a behavior.

[@alexandradittmann8588]

Hey Zak, I'm a balanced trainer myself, and I think that you are making some very good points here: "Adressing the underlying emotional state" indeed is super-important. If not done, frustration can build up in the dog, and then be released elsewhere. This is an issue many people struggle with. And we want to always establish a trusting relationship first with the dog, to avoid this. You're such a cool guy, I think, Zak, always upbeat, positive and open for discussion, and learning from one another. Much appreciated!

[@alienattack5]

We are in the UK and all the training I have encountered and done and doing is positive and reward based . I started my training journey with a beautiful black gsd girl, puppy training , agility, flyball ( we did not like that). I now have 4 chihuahua dogs, 3 out of 1 , very reactive, but I am having suddenly great success with training, all of them are doing Agility, which is great for bonding , fun , and hanging out with other dogs in a controlled civilised environment. Recall is the most important thing with my chis as they think they are lions and will run towards strangers and dogs, which is unacceptable,I train all the time, especially during our daily walks and hey presto they are coming back to me 99 per cent immediately. Zak your word Yes is another help , it means treats and reinforces what We want . Also, what I like is , you teach for us humans to have patience, let them take in their environment and experience , without pouncing on the dog to immediately control

[@BDTraining]

Hey Zak, just saw your video. I wanted to connect offline. Thanks Joel

[@hlopez3975]

Zak!! I can’t thank you enough. Because of you I have a fairly well trained dog. Redirection. Positive reinforcement. Clicker training. Sit spin shake. Touch. I seriously can’t thank you enough. Your book helped me so much to raise a puppy and your videos are so good it’s almost like having you with me each step of the way. I’m so thankful for your ways of teaching. The way you explain things make so much sense it bewilders me that some people aren’t following your dog training revolution. If I ever get the chance to meet you, a big hand shake and a very grateful smile will be given to you. Thank you again for everything. I’m happy and proud to tell people about you when they ask what have I done yo get my puppy to spin. Again. Thank you thank you. You are truly a special person.

[@derekdouglas6147]

Most people dream about meeting their favorite actors or singers, but I've had multiple dreams about getting to meet Inertia. She's so special, give her a nice little pet for me. (20 days until I get to pick up my Nova)

[@hazelthehivewinghybrid9770]

that sounds like an awesome dream. I wish I had dreams like that

[@KakJack]

Thank you for spreading your knowledge and training methods. It is so important in this world full of quick fixes and ignoring of the animals' languages.

[@brianbeswick]

Lol Zak is trying to politely call out his peers and just unintentionally smacked down the crazy flat earth community. Might want to proactively turn off your email for the next few months.

[@vanessamcgrew4486]

17:14 Zac George, I think u r forgetting that balanced trainers also practice positive reinforcement. It’s just one of the tools they have. In the instance of helping the dog become less fearful, yes, positive reinforcement would be the tool here. That’s PART of balanced training. You are taking the positive reinforcement successes from balanced training, and crediting it to your style of training. And then your example of what a “balanced trainer” would do is not entirely true. When a balanced trainer wants a dog to sit and pay attention at one spot, that is typically when they don’t want the dog to run after a car or squirrel-they don’t want them to actively engage in something else when the trainer should have their attention. But if they leave because they are FEARFUL of something, that’s a whole different situation which calls for a different method. In that instance u use positive reinforcement to get them decensitized from whatever they r afraid of. UFH u r triggering me, Zac George. Just a tad

[@kira1823]

I hear a lot that the science says that the possitive reinforcement is the most effective way to train train any dog regardless of the behavior problems it may have. But the thing is I don't see you or any pure possitive trainer working with big aggresive dogs. But then I see the "so called balanced trainers" working with that type of dog all the time. Usually these balanced trainers get to work with dogs that have passed through many pure possitive trainers that have failed before. I love science, but I see that studies about dog training are not very trust worthy. I've never seen a dog study that meassures the effectiveness of different dog training systems that considers the dog temperament and drive, the level of distractions in the enviroment and dog's behavioral problems. Without taking these variables into consideration any study would be little more than trash.

[@zakgeorge]

You are believing that these dogs are “aggressive “because they are being placed in situations that caused them to behave aggressively. The reason you don’t see positive trainers have these outbursts are because they know how to keep a dog under threshold and counter condition them and manage them and desensitize them. I do this all the time on my channel. Keep in mind that dogs are not aggressive but sometimes behave aggressively depending upon context and that is the key! I have many examples of working with bite history dogs on my channel. Hope this helps!

[@kira1823]

@@zakgeorge It would be nice to see that in a future series you pick a dog that is in danger to be put down due to agressive behavior. I don't say it with bad intensions If possitive training can help this type of dogs I'd love to see it :)

[@ivyrose779]

@@kira1823 Yes! I would love to see this!

[@applejackisbestpony]

@@kira1823 all due respect to Zak, I don't think he's qualified to take on a case like that. An aggression case in danger of BE is a task for a behavior consultant at minimum.

[@smith12885]

Whether it’s situational or not, it is extremely difficult to control everything about the dog. That’s not real life. I’ve been training with purely positive trainers, and my dog has the same issues. Is positive training ideal? Yes. Is every situation or owner ideal? No. We don’t live in a perfect world. Am I going to use punitive measures? No. Am I going to be abusive? No. But real life says that if a dog cannot behave in spite of the situation, he’s going to be put down. I’ve had three vets suggest that for my dog. I choose one more best effort, and that’s going to cost me a LOT of money. More than the dog’s worth, but i have to try because at this point, the purely positive dog trainers have me so guilt ridden and torn up about everything that I’m completely useless, or feel that way. So is a Gentle Leader aversive? Even some purely positive trainers are okay with them. I’ve used one on all but my first two dogs, and my first dog was a gift from God. She was perfect for a first timer. Was she dominant? Ask any dog around who the boss was. It was her! Definitely not aggressive but the boss except for my husband. She accepted me as having authority too. Will I use an e-collar? Heck no! I’ve seen dogs harmed. Will I correct a dog? Yes. Do I think it’s awesome to watch you work? Yes. However, I put my kids into timeout many times; nose and toes was a routine thing because it gave me time to cool down after they misbehaved. Then I could work with them positively. Same thing with my dog. He’s not going to whatever he wants. He’s going to behave and he’s going to work within the constraints of my lifestyle.Sometimes that may take more correction, often it takes an incredible amount of calm, and it always takes patience. Quick fixes are no good, but my dog must obey the rules.

[@amandasangermano9759]

Not sure if you’ve ever tried this or your thoughts on this, but one of the easiest ways to teach a dog not to run out of the crate is by using the crate door as your tool!! Gently and slowly open the door, dog decides to try and run, gently and slowly close the door. Repeat until dog offers a sit or down on their own and then looks to you for guidance. Once they are getting the idea, you can add a “wait” command or “stay” if you desire. THEN give them an “ok” command to come out only when they have offered the sit or down on their own and give you eye contact as if asking “am I ok to come out now?” Works wonders and is virtually harmless!

[@morninmochi4800]

He’s done that before! If you look back a bit to the Kona series he used that technique witht her :>

[@deboracorrea1091]

I tried to train my dog all positive for almost one year. It made great progress and he is pretty good today. That said, he is reactive to male dogs when he is in the leash. I have tried for months to end this behavior with positive reinforcement, and I couldn't. My mom also walks my dog, and she is 65 years old. My dog weights 40 pounds. One day she was walking him, he saw a dog and he pulled so hard on the leash to go bark at the dog that she fell. After that I searched for another trainer, who uses punishment. In 2 weeks he solved my problem. So, here is my question, to what point should we only think about the dog's well being? And, is it really well being if he can't handle situations that he will always face in his life without freaking out? This is a genuine question, if you can please answer. I feel like he is much happier now, even if we have to walk with a collar on, instead of a harness. But I don't know if this will be only a temporary fix, and in the future it will make things worse.

[@candiceallen7967]

The question is, does you dog need to face situations where they are reactive and clearly anxious, right now? For example, my dog can be reactive to little dogs. So i avoid little dogs, and i am vigilant in my assessment of the area if i am walking her. In the meantime i am doing online course in positive reinforcement for reactive dogs which have taught me a range of techniques, starting small with magnet hand etc. I am hoping to finish the year with The Play Way, but my first priority is to make sure i don't put my dog in a situation where she thinks she needs to react. Perhaps a change you could have made was to not have your mum walk the dog until you both had techniques mastered? Is the walk really for the dog if they are punished throughout? If the walk is really for you and your mum, then perhaps the dog doesn't need to go on that walk.

[@candiceallen7967]

Also, i should mention that FDSA and other organisations have a lot of great, cheap course that can provide you with the knowledge to have a well round happy dog, that isn't a temporary fix.

[@deboracorrea1091]

@@candiceallen7967 Where I Iive the encounter with other dogs can´t be avoided. I don´t live in USA, and I live in a very busy avenue. There are dogs with people, street dogs. We try to avoid as much as we can, but we get at least one encounter on every walk. The walks are for the dog. As I work, my mother helps me to walk him, so he can get some air and exercise. I can maybe wait until he is better trained, but them he would have to stay only in the house. Not so sure this would be a good solution. And he is not getting punished all the time. Honestly, I walked him these weekend without one correction. And we saw other dogs. He is behaving much better now. And this is why I made the question, because I am afraid of this been a temporary solution only. Because if this is for real, I really think it is worth it. 2 weeks of corrections (and never all the time. It was always mixed with positive reinforcemnet) to fix reactivity is not bad. He is really happy, walking with much more confidence. I don´t know. He brough this question in the video and it made me think.

[@deboracorrea1091]

@@candiceallen7967 I forgot to say, but thank you so much for taking the time to answer me. I appreciate it!

[@patmunro3531]

@@deboracorrea1091 Yes, it will last forever. You have shown him getting reactive is wrong, now, through positive encounters with other dogs [not meeting], just being there, non of his fears came true, his confidence will grow. His behaviour will become the norm. You will not have to keep correcting, BUT always keep being positive.

[@karstentopp]

Now I have to admit that I am far from being a dog trainer. Hell, my dogs train me more than I train them. But when I rescued my Border Collie Blanche, I was hell bent on giving her only positive feedback and I tried to turn her to be sociable and trustworthy. Now, I could not do it without „NO!” - who ever had a BC in puberty will know what I mean, but apart from a few (okay, more than a few) no’s she only experienced positive enforcement and she is within reason a good problem solver and she trusts me 100%. Even when she’s a football pitch away - a call and a whistle will bring her back. She goes into her place when asked to - call me crazy, but I usually ask my dogs to do something and they know that when I order them to do something, they overstepped their boundaries. Aversive dog training has only one benefit: instant gratification for the trainer, but it comes with the risk of challenging the human/canine bond.

[@timhartsock9942]

Zak George if your methods were as superior as you present them to be, you wouldn't feel the need to belittle other methods. It's easy to compare your methods to others and make it sound great when no one is there to disagree. Let's see you have a discussion with other successful trainers that may be critical of your methods. You are disrespectful to a large group of people that have earned respect through their success in the dog training world. You are condescending in your tone and the way your present your view of those that train different from you. I've been training dogs for over 25 years now. I'm still learning. You learn by having people challenge your ideas, not by presuming you already know everything. You will not grow as a trainer by only listening and talking to those who agree with you. Either open up to having discussions outside of your own videos with people that will challenge your thinking or stop talking about the people you won't face.

[@eringoldsmith2677]

Hey! Lucy (gsd rescue) and I have been following along and enjoying your journey with Biscuits. Thank you for your continued patience…. With dogs AND people 😊. I admit…. There are times when Lucy tries mine. However, I know that positive training and love ALWAYS wins out in the long run. ( Btw- I am a 3rd grade teacher…. Same is true for kids… they’ll try you. But love, compassion, and positive reinforcement ALWAYS works in the long run…. Treats work too 😋).

[@phoenixgate007]

Your training methods always seem to come back to “good parenting” to me. You don’t want your dog to be scared, or stressed, or worried as they learn. You want your dog to be happy, and calm, and engaged, and excited to learn new things. The bond that’s created by engaging with your dog in such a positive way is remarkable. I found it hard not to say “no” in the beginning but truly found that finding a reason to say “yes” made my dogs learn faster. And they’re so much happier. My brother and sister-in-law thought they had a rather stupid dog, and one who was too obstinate to learn (their attitude pissed me off). I returned to them a very smart dog who loved “leave it, watch me, and wait” and her sister who had become far more engaged and less anxious through her own training sessions. They didn’t have a comment. I think this may be the crux of some of the frustration or anger towards positive training, are people who don’t understand it fully or who don’t want to listen or learn about it. My brother and sister-in-law’s dogs were objectively happier, less anxious, and better behaved. They also formed a much deeper bond with me which I loved. I hope more people can see that it’s not about trying to be right or wrong it’s genuinely about what’s best for you and your dogs.

[@inkwhiskers9948]

If that is truly what you believe, that it's about what's best for the dog, then as a balanced trainer I stand by you 100%. At least it seems we can unite over this one ideal!

[@vanessamcgrew4486]

The goal of balanced training is not to cause fear, but to give the dog direction. Watch Tom Davis. He does great videos and explains this. The channel is upstate canine academy. If your dog is aggressively barking, giving a pop on a gentle leader or slip or prong, it doesn’t hurt them and doesn’t teach them to fear u. It’s just a quick, “cut it out”. It’s effective and completely appropriate for the situation. They need to know certain behavior r unacceptable.

[@vanessamcgrew4486]

@@inkwhiskers9948Nah. This may work for “easy” dogs, but I can’t see a high drive dominant dog be trained successfully with sticky positive reinforcement alone.

[@inkwhiskers9948]

@@vanessamcgrew4486 We should train the dog in front of us, and change methods based on that, not on what the public thinks of us or what our egos tell us. I personally see no need to cut aversives out of training altogether. It's natural and not unethical (used correctly). But if the dog in front of me responds better to positive only, I'll do that.

[@vanessamcgrew4486]

@@inkwhiskers9948 the issue I have is when positive reinforcement alone does NOT work. And because of people being mislead into thinking anything more is abusive or bad training, they r never able to train their dog and that can be dangerous.

[@bethnapolitano3032]

Really good video. Thank you for addressing aversive, punishment based training and the fallout that can damage our relationship with our dogs. Positive, reward based training is the way to ensure a happy dog and trusting relationship.

[@margotvanoni3679]

Love your training and your humility

[@workingsables4483]

I really wish he would admit he's a trick trainer instead of setting up dogs to become more reactive later though. 😕

[@chloe6358]

@@workingsables4483 he's worked with multiple reactive dogs and made a lot of progress via changing their emotional state toward triggers. How has he set dogs up to be more reactive?

[@angelbarbie7914]

@@workingsables4483 agree totally. He’s preaching a propaganda narrative. Respectable talented balance trainers do not train this way. Especially with a dog he is using in this video demonstration of training that does not work on the real world

[@emilyestelle7471]

So, I have trained dogs and horses for a long time. On a small scale, mind you, I'm not a professional trainer by any means. I think positive only training is preferable in MOST situations. I have trained mustangs from right off the range to being able to ride them, and have always endeavored to do so in a way that promotes trust. I agree that the word no should be used sparingly. It's far more meaningful if it's not over-used. Conversely, I have definitely seen animals that are at emergency levels of bad behavior, and sometimes to bring them under control so you can actually begin to train, it can be necessary to venture into the area of positive punishment. (Ex: If your dog is trying to tear apart another dog, I don't feel like a leash pop is out of line). Some people jump right to positive punishment and think THAT is training. I've always leaned heavily on positive reinforcement and praise with dogs and horses, and very rarely had to use positive punishment to address a behavior. Even then, always the least 'force' possible. If you can achieve with gentle pressure the same thing as a leash pop, that would definitely be my preferred choice.

[@TheBurrito171]

Dont tell them that, it doesnt work with their straw man. They would rather point you to all their studies that PROVE CONCLUSIVELY that a puppy would rather learn a "sit" with treats than with harsh beatings. Yes, thank you science, very insightful.

[@emilyestelle7471]

@@TheBurrito171 Lol, because let's be honest - gentle pressure is the same as a harsh beating.

[@taylormolstad8599]

Thanks for standing up for dogs to not get yanked around and shocked! Treating our dogs with respect and dignity is the way to go :) ❤

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

Too bad yanking and cranking is NOT balanced training. This guy is a liar

[@FWS_Sinister]

@@justagirlandherdogs615 Are you working as a balanced trainer? I don't see why you're so personally offended in this comment section.

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

@@FWS_Sinister I do all methods. The fact is I don’t tolerate BS. The same goes who shit and spread BS on +R

[@TheWorkingAussie]

@@justagirlandherdogs615 Exactly! All the balanced trainers I know don't shock and yank their dogs. Lol I use balanced methods with my dog and she is well behaved, well trained, happy, and loves life. In fact, most of our training is +r, contrary to what uneducated positive only people think.

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

@@TheWorkingAussie 💯💯💯

[@SelmaAymara]

What happens when the reinforcement of treats, toys or a kind voice isn’t as rewarding to the dog as barking and lunging at other dogs and people? This is where positive reinforcement falls short. Literally didn’t matter how many treats I give my dog if I didn’t sternly sit him down on his ass every now and again to tell him what’s up, he would have no reason to listen to me.

[@NativeNYerChicHK]

Successfully training (using positive reinforcement thus a positive association) commands like no, leave it, and drop it takes care of a lot of the feeling of a need for aggressive training methods. It’s less stressful on both the dog and the owner too. And I ALWAYS reward crate time, upon entering AND exiting, and even while he’s just chilling in there. He now understand bedtime with the “Night, Night” command and lays right down in his bed inside his crate when he hears it! ♥️

[@workingsables4483]

Balanced dog training is not this at all. Balanced doesn't mean no reward it means fair consequence for behavior followed by showing the appropriate behavior and then rewarding.

[@walnutgynneenderson4043]

@@workingsables4483 Exactly.

[@TheWorkingAussie]

@@workingsables4483 Yep! I used balanced with my dog, and I use treats and rewards all the time. It's sad trainers like Zak spread damaging information about balanced training.

[@nomoretax]

@@TheWorkingAussie ok. So explain what 'balanced' training is then?

[@TheWorkingAussie]

@@nomoretax Balanced is using all 4 quadrants of training, Positive reinforcement, negative reinforcement, positive punishment and negative punishment. It's also using what works for the individual dog, dogs are not all the same and require different approaches. And contrary to what uneducated people say, we do use +r using treats, praise, toys, etc.

[@tinyali7704]

All I hear is virtue signaling rather than providing results and a sensible argument. Your purely positive training definitely makes sense for obedience, crate training, and socialization. However, your dog to dog aggression content is slim and leaves a lot to be desired. Not only are your dog aggression videos riddled with pet accessory sales pitches, but they lack the progress that balanced trainers’ videos do. E.g. Beckman’s, Upstate Canine, & Robert Cabral. Your videos prove them all right, a treat and a good bond is not enough to redirect an aggressive dog at reasonable distances. Everyday dog owners need actionable advice, not empty platitudes and brand deals.

[@smurfk2144]

All "positive" trainers suffer from the same thing. They will never train big dogs that are aggressive and/or reactive. I never seen true aggression on your channel, I've only seen "aggressive dog" that barks around. That's not aggression. And the "positive" solutions are the same. "Well, if your dog is reactive to humans, just avoid humans". That's dumb, as that's not always possible. The truth is, those methods you find aversive, work for these type of situations. Dogs that would be put down otherwise, are made to balanced by a prong collar, if used right. I think that you, and other trainers, need to accept that you don't have a solution for behaviors mentioned. Stuffing the dog with treats does not work, as so many people with reactive dogs are doing it for years, without improvement.

[@zakgeorge]

No shade but…See the Dunning-Kruger effect please. Your comment comes off as quite confident. Yet, it’s clear that you are lacking information to formulate your viewpoint. That’s the thing though, none of us know what we don’t know until we know it. Always keep learning and I will do the same!

[@vanessamcgrew4486]

6:42 That’s not what balanced dog training is, Zac George. Please don’t mislead the people into thinking that. With crate training , balanced dog trainers understand that to get to accept the crate, they have to be comfortable in it. That’s the positive part of the balanced training. Making the dog stay in the crate because “I’m the alpha “ is not what balanced training is . C’mon man

[@5leepyHead]

I really love your videos Zak, but one problem that I have with your channel is that you never deal with truly aggressive dogs. I've seen your videos where you emphasis on creating distance until your dog is ready, but you never really go further than that or follow-up on how the dog is later. We haven't seen a dog that you were uncomfortable introducing Inertia to and it'd be great to see how you'd overcome that type of dog aggression.

[@FWS_Sinister]

Watch the Chop series

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

@@FWS_Sinister that’s not true aggression

[@5leepyHead]

@@FWS_Sinister I did watch the Chop series and it was a good example of what to do with a dog reactive dog, but Chop was still able to meet and play with Inertia without a muzzle.

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

@@FWS_Sinister no we are talking about not just reactivity but true aggression

[@FWS_Sinister]

@@justagirlandherdogs615 they are not mutually exclusive, they work together

[@Tyler-y9x]

I truly appreciate that you clarified your position on training. This should be a wholesome debate between the variety of trainers out there. Personally, balanced-training has been most effective for me (because of the time it takes is much shorter than positive-reinforcement). Naive dogs receive positive-reinforcement (for my company), and dogs that are more entrained in bad behavior will receive negative-reinforcement. Thank you for helping the community, with such immense patience. I know I have not always supported you, but your perseverance is a blessing.

[@TheAmandadaly]

A specifically for the place command I have never seen an e-collar trainer train a dog with an e-collar to teach the actual place commands the dog is taught using positive reinforcement then once the place command has been taught body collar is used to do the place command from a distance I've never heard of a person using an e-collar to teach the place command itself

[@Erin_29]

Exactly! He doesn't know and fully understand how tools work. He shouldnt be saying such things. It confuses people.

[@josegutierrez7898]

Positive (+) reinforcement means your adding something to reinforce a behavior. Positive (+) punishment means your adding something to punish a behavior. Like saying no or leave it.. your adding a command to correct a behavior. Or using a collar or slip leash to add pressure to correct a behavior. Negative (-) reinforcement subtracting something to reinforce behavior. So those “purely positive reinforcement trainers” that walk away from a situation to reinforce a behavior. Guess what you just (-) subtracted the dog from the situation. So that said “positive reinforcement trainer” just used negative reinforcement. Don’t let these trainers use marketing shock words to sell you an idea that you can only ever use positive (+) reinforcement adding something to reinforce a behavior to train your dog.

[@WhatsForDin]

You’re using a puppy toy breed dog and crate training as the example to argue your point on balanced training 😂 Bring in a large breed, stubborn, actually aggressive, reactive, intact male and show us how you would work with him on a walk.

[@jaanaenkerro445]

Moira the GSD was not far off. George the staffy was stubborn af...

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

Exsactly

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

@@jaanaenkerro445 1. No where near aggressive 2. What were the results! Real life results

[@squarepegfb]

There are lots of videos on Zak's channel where he's using these methods successfully on such dogs. Just go look.

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

@@squarepegfb those aren’t true aggression

[@radinelle]

I think you have the best attitude. Your respect of the animal and the patience it takes is not fror everyone of course. You are a wonderful dog trainer and I learn so much from you. Thank you.

[@randysandford4033]

Acknowledging my kids good behavior with a reward may have worked for good behavior but ignoring their bad behavior only encouraged more undesirable behavior.

[@zakgeorge]

Good comment! Simply ignoring bad behavior isn’t what I typically recommend. Managing and preventing unwanted behavior in addition to encouraging incompatible alternative behaviors tends to go a long way!

[@Flippokid]

@@zakgeorge We live in a world where that's not always possible though. And some of us have dogs that have those bad behaviors already well integrated. And many positive trainers do recommend to ignore bad behavior.

[@halliesmith8844]

Exactly! And “trainers” like ZG are the ones recommending that people euthanize their family pets because they can’t “encourage” a dog out of bad behaviors. Some dogs respond well to positive only. Awesome. Not all of them. My dogs behavior was NOT fear based, as determined by the positive only trainers I started with. But I took my dog to positive only trainers because if the grief I was given for considering balanced training. All three of them told me to euthanize my dog because he was “too aggressive to be helped.” Within ONE single session with my first balanced trainer, I got the tools to help my dog. And now, my dog is trustworthy and living his happiest life with me.

[@4merroad4man25]

Your methods are my favorite by far. I don’t believe in forcing a dog into compliance using punishment. Your love of dogs is so obvious and your positivity is a joy to watch. I respect that you don’t get defensive but rather explain why you train the way you do and without slamming other trainers methods. You are by far my favorite dog trainer to watch and my husband and I are using your techniques with our foster dog. We don’t currently have a dog of our own ( we lost one in August and one in September), but once we get another dog we will definitely be using your training methods.

[@dr7246]

What would be useful, is a CIVIL debate between a positive reinforcement trainer, and a balanced trainer. Not an angry, name calling, bitter fest, but an informed respectful debate. This would be a useful format to help people make informed decisions about how to train their dogs

[@workingsables4483]

I agree. I'm a balanced dog trainer, and am honestly getting really tired of people like Zak talking about a method they don't understand or use at all.

[@NakamitsuSama]

Other trainers have tried to get Zak to have a discussion like that on their channels

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

@@workingsables4483 💯💯

[@Nocomment552]

He won’t, because he’s too sensitive and it’ll hurt his ego.

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

@@Nocomment552 💯💯💯

[@TheAmandadaly]

I think sometimes people who inappropriately used e-collars give the e-collar a bad name when you have large aggressive dogs you do not have the time to risk damage to the dog or a human when it is much safer to you he collar training that is not damaging to the dog itself

[@Erin_29]

💯

[@kaitland9222]

Why is it always aversives vs positive reinforcement? A good balanced trainer will use mostly positive reinforcement. Studies always show aversive vs R+ so yeah R+ is always going to come out on top. There needs to be studies showing R+ with the occasional aversive. Despite what some people think, balanced dog owners use aversives to maximize the dog's quality of life. Aversives have helped so many dogs when R+ alone wasn't helping. Aversives can bring clarity to a dog's life and help lower frustration and stress when used properly. Many reactive dogs can stress themselves out the whole training session and that's not healthy. A simple leash pop paired with counter conditioning around triggers can lead to a positive training environment. You will never be the most interesting thing to your dog. If your dog doesn't have consequences, then why would they listen when something else is more interesting? That could easily turn into a life or death situation.

[@arudd909]

I studied psychology in undergrad and graduate school. One thing that comes to mind when watching this video is that positive rewards are the most effective tool for behavior modification and either positive or negative punishment are both less effective in the long term then either positive or negative rewards.

[@sixkings7831]

I agree 100% with zak when it pertains to pets . My concern is that the dogs in shelters that will be put to sleep if their behavior is not corrected . 390,000 dogs will be put to sleep this year. If a balance trainer can get a dog adopted from a shelter that other wise would be put down . Maybe balance training should be considered in certain circumstances. Great video as always .

[@JurassicWhitney]

The problem is... balanced training suppresses behavior. So, if balanced training is used to get dogs adopted, then unexperienced owners could have a ticking time bomb in their household. It is a tricky subject unfortunately.. :/

[@amybennett9545]

@@JurassicWhitney A good balanced trainer does more than just suppress behaviour. Initially it is suppressed, but over time you teach the dog to understand a correction, to which then it is less aversive to the dog because it understands what it means. After that, you then work on the underlying issues. But you have to address the problems before you can address the emotional underlying issues!

[@amybennett9545]

@@m13l because you teach them what is desirable… just because you correct a behaviour doesn’t mean it’s fixed. It means you can then work on changing the dogs underlying emotional response via positive reinforcement

[@shelleycolwell4063]

Hi Zac, I always enjoy watching your training videos. While I agree with positive training as much as possible, there are a couple of online "balanced" trainers that I feel are very effective as well as kind. One specifically does not advocate a "dominance" or "alpha" philosophy, but rather a leadership role. In training I use 99% positive but the one thing I use an e-collar for is off lease fun with my poodle. We work in a common area by my townhouse and he loves to full out run, as fast as he can. It brings him so much joy and he loves to smell every inch of the ground. We trained together using the "pager", (which feels like a phone vibrating). He is almost 2 years old and at this point I can let him off leash to fetch, run and explore without worry. When I call him, he will turn on a dime and run to me, and if he hesitates, I just give him a quick page and he comes tearing to me, but not because he is afraid. There is so much excitement as he runs to me for the waiting treat and "Good, come." Sometimes his hesitation is a good smell or a person or distracting noise but when he feels the reminder, he is like, "Oh yea, Momma's calling me." I feel like you were exaggerating how the trainers I watch use "tools" to help people fix their own behaviours, in order to give themselves and their dogs a healthier, happier life. It goes back to how the owner is handling the dog. Unfortunately, we don't all have access to trainers like you. I took my dog to a trainer who said she used only positive training. We worked on loose leash training in a park and my miniature poodle could not contain himself and was uninterested in treats. The trainer took him from me and starting walking with him, and after a couple of minutes gave him a few good pops on the leash. I was not happy because she also will not allow the use of slip leashes in her class. A slip leash will not hurt him but a few good pops with a flat collar might. Anyway, I just wanted to say if positive only training worked for every owner, there would be no need for balanced training. Keep up the good work, I learn something new from you all the time, and for those of us who need to "correct" our pups sometimes, don't be too harsh. :)

[@JennaSimpsonHerrickscentsy]

I'm glad you're the most watched dog trainer on YouTub helping to educate positive dog training. You're able to educate and reach more people. We have only used positive training methods thanks to your books and videos teaching us how to properly train our dogs. With patience and implementing your suggestions, there has been no reason to consider other inhumane ways of training. I'm sad for those who believe in balanced dog training.

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

He’s pathetic

[@carolynvines2027]

Awwwe.... Biscuit is doing so good! What a sweetie pup. I used a method very similar to Zak's for teaching a past friend's dog Place. He loved it! It was like a game to him; and I was pleasantly amazed at how fast he learned! I did use a leash; but only to guide and keep him from running off. I did not use the leash for correction. Then, later I had the honor of fostering a dog; and I used the same method with her. She picked up on it just as quickly.

[@crystalsomekat7172]

I've learned SO much from your training methods Zak, I get compliments on how well behaved my 7 month old pups are :)

[@Charles-qt4ok]

Zak, many comments mention you never works with aggressive cases. I'm sure you have worked with aggression, being a trainer for many years, but I think a lot of your audience is skeptical because we don't often see you complete the training or rehabilitation all the way. For example, would you be willing to take a dog with severe bite history (ideally, save the life of a dog on death row in a kill shelter) and use your methods all the way to the point where you can safely take them into a dog park? Because that's the real-world situation a lot of dog-owners are faced with in this country and I think your audience would like to see that. Would you be up for that? Thanks!

[@zakgeorge]

I really appreciate this comment! However, I have to say I’m starting to feel like a broken record here. I have addressed comments like this a thousand times in this comment section! Furthermore, I have worked with many dogs with a bite history on this channel! It seems that some will not accept that I have worked with bite history dogs unless they see a dog trying to attack me or another animal… what’s frustrating about this is that people do not understand that I am generally skilled at preventing outbursts like that from happening though it has happened a handful of times on my channel unfortunately. Furthermore, even if I wasn’t a competent dog trainer at all, that does not change the fact that there is so much science showing that using forceful methods to suppress aggressive outbursts are not advantageous long-term as they fail to address the underlying emotional state of the dog! One way that I truly try to do my part in preventing dogs from ending up in a situation where they may be euthanized is by sharing what I know for the general public so they understand how to raise their dogs from the beginning with as few issues as possible. I am positive that I am far from perfect! But I feel it is the highest and best use of my skill set. Doing something right from the beginning rather than trying to fix a problem later on is far more ideal. In fact, every one of the last four foster dogs I’ve had in my series has attempted to snap at me or my dog at least once. I fully documented how I prevent that from escalating and do my best to reverse that emotional association quickly. Hope this helps to clarify!

[@Charles-qt4ok]

​@@zakgeorge I believe that you are more than a competent trainer. Your dogs are very well trained and a great example of the benefits of positive reinforcement training. I think you missed part of my point though. I was trying to suggest you take a case all the way to the point at which you can introduce those tough cases to any situation i.e. a dog park. Chop would have been a great example. Keep working with him until you can bring him anywhere. Just a suggestion that I think would go a long way with the detractors. Also, just a thought for anyone reading, The reason I brought up working with a dog in a kill shelter is that I just got an update that my local shelter is at 117% capacity today for medium/large dogs. Your local shelter likely is overcrowded too. Please adopt responsibly, foster, volunteer, and donate! 🐕

[@zakgeorge]

Unfortunately, there is the expectation to make dogs comfortable in all situations. There is nothing wrong with being an advocate for our dog and keeping them out of situations where they are likely to escalate their behavior. No one in this profession is a wizard. Completely agree with you about reducing shelter populations! That is one of our driving motivations in our lives. Really appreciate your feedback!

[@vanessamcgrew4486]

12:20 all u did was distract her from digging the rug or a moment. What’s to stop her from going back at it in your absence? And giving her attention for doing something bad is low key a reward for digging the carpet. 🤨 Edit: the more I watch this video, the more I have to say. I’m really tempted to post a reaction video. I have opinions here

[@applejackisbestpony]

What he did wasn't a distraction, it was redirection followed by reinforcing an alternative behavior (coming to him). And giving her attention for coming to him isn't rewarding/reinforcing her digging at the carpet-- if that were the case, we wouldn't seen an increase in the digging behavior as he continued, not a decrease.

[@vanessamcgrew4486]

@@applejackisbestpony YOU may thing u are rewarding for coming to u. But think about it by putting yourself in the dogs perspective, seriously. Imagine u r digging the carpet, then because your owner wants to stop, they say in a high happy voice “Emily! C’mere! Oh good girl! Good girl!” Like…. Of course you would connect digging the carpet with attention. So as the dog, if they want attention, they may engage in bad behavior for exactly that. For someone to call them over and praise them. That’s stupid

[@vanessamcgrew4486]

@@applejackisbestpony the issue with his “response to balanced trainers” is that his example of what a balanced trainer would do given the situations he describes are not true. He forgot that balanced trainers ALSO use positive reinforcement training methods. It’s just one of the tools under their belt. That’s why it’s called balanced. Things that a balanced trainer would do he takes and credits to his own training style, as if it’s something a balanced trainer wouldn’t do in that situation.

[@applejackisbestpony]

@@vanessamcgrew4486 as a dog trainer myself, I can confidently say that is incorrect as well as an example of anthropomorphizing. The consequence of an action, be that reinforcement or punishment, needs to occur within 1 second of that action in order to be associated with it. Because of this, we often use markers such as clickers (also called a bridging stimulus) to give us extra time to deliver reinforcement. With this sequence of events, the dog is being rewarded for responding to Zac rather than continuing the digging. Now, if he were to have marked the digging and then she went to him for a reward, that would be different. Again though, these things are evident in the video itself. If the digging was bring reinforced, it would have increased in frequency, but it didn't, therefore it wasn't being reinforced. Like punishment, it's a process defined by results. If a behavior doesn't increase, it isn't being reinforced; likewise, if it doesn't decrease, it isn't being punished (even if we believe we are utilizing punishment)

[@applejackisbestpony]

@@vanessamcgrew4486 I'm not sure where you're getting that, because in the timestamps you posted he wasn't talking about balanced trainers, just outdated training in general.

[@persnickety-do-dah]

A simple, very grateful THANK YOU, Georges, Mr. and Mrs., for sharing your expertise and behind the scenes work. I am bingeing your lessons and it's been so helpful with our new Goldendoodle puppy, Max. We previously had two family dogs, a lab and golden retriever, when my young adult sons were very young, these pups were their dogs to grow up with, they acted as my assistants while working from home for many years, they were loved, spoiled, wonderful, well behaved adult dogs and are still so greatly missed. What my good old boys weren't, was very well behaved puppies, I did not use a crate, feeling it was cruel to lock them in, of course, we had destroyed shoes and clothes, chewed chair legs etc. Those boys needed the security of their own space and down time from the huge world of stuff to smell and taste and the hectic rough-housing of two small boys. It has been a few years now and time for a new puppy. I fully expected to be run raggged because every good dog starts as an adorable but crazy puppy. Your approach is a revelation to me! I've learned to proactively and meaningfully communicate with my new puppy around the behaviors we all want and don't want, and we both thank you. I can see now when I was a young, busy mom with our family dogs before, I was letting them run amock and then dealing with it afterward. Not seriously expecting them to understand my woeful, exasperted, "look at this, no-no, that's a no-no!", meant to stop the behavior in the future, but kind of thinking I am letting them know and one day, they'll outgrow it. They did, but we could all have had a less frustrating time. Fast forward, our new boy, Max, has been with us a month, he is 12 wks, he goes into his crate willingly -usually, comes, stays, sits, downs and really looks at me for instruction, what a difference it has made for my stress level and I am sure what his would be with a lot of "look at that no-no" in his life. When I am faltering, I come back to watch or just recall what I can change in how I respond. Thank you so much for the content you put out, you are positively changing pet's and people's experiences!

[@Bruno_LEsperance]

First, about 30 or 40 years ago, people doing dog sports like competitive obedience (I am not speaking about agility here) were teaching everything using aversive. Then a few people started to use treats and clickers. These few trainers started winning all the competition. It did not took long for all the other competitors to switch to cliker and treat training. My point here is if you want to know what is the most effective way to train your dog, you could look at dog sports to see what they are doing. These people livelihood depends on their ability to train their dog to win competition. If anyone as better, more effective methods they would use it. Right now, the most successful competitors in dog sports are practically all balance trainers. One exception is Denise Fenzi but even her cannot compete in any dog sport. By the way, many dog sports now are also judge on the body language of your dog. If the dog looks scared of the trainer or if the dog is walking around with their heads down and their tail between their legs you loose points which means you would probably not be winning. Second, there is practically no good balanced trainers that use the Alpha dog anymore. You mention it is only to make people believe that balanced trainers are still stuck in the 1960. If someone wants to see what good balance training looks like, go watch the basic obedience series on Nate Schoemer KZbin channel. Also, for anyone who thinks that Alpha theory and dominance was debunked, it is not quite the case. The original studies was done by Rudolph Schenkel's on unrelated wolves in captivity. The study was made popular by a book written by David Mech. Later, David Mech realizes that the findings of Schenkel's were not observe in wild wolves pack. In wild wolves, the parents are typically leaders of the pack and they do not need to fight to establish this. Mech regretted to have popularize the term Alpha wolf and even ask the publisher to stop publishing is book. So what has been debunked is the fact that wolves pack in the wild are genetically related to each others and do not need to establish their dominance by fighting because the parents are automatically the leader of the pack. An interesting though here is to consider that dog parks are essentially reproducing the artificial setting of Schenkel's original study: a bunch of unrelated dog in captivity. This might help to explain why there are so many horror stories of dog fights at dog parks. Also, most good trainers will tell you to avoid dog parks if possible. Finally, I do not want to insult Zak, but he is no longer a dog trainer. A dog trainer in my region runs about 6 to 7 training classes per week, each with about 10 dogs. He also has a doggy daycare and run a board and train program. In a single week, he interact with about 80 dogs and clients. Maybe he was 10 years ago Zak was a dog trainer but now he is a KZbin content creator. There is nothing bad in this, I am subscribe to his channel and I tend to like the entertainment value of his videos but a certainly do not believe he his an expert in the field. Neither am I, by the way. On this, I wish everyone happy training.

[@ogkitty7558]

Positive reinforcement works great on my perfect puppy for nearly everything. Hopefully she will grow up into a perfect dog and never require anything painful or adversive to keep her behavior acceptable. However, Ive found it only effective to clap of my hands and say a loud “hey” (ADVERSIVE!!!) get her to stop when shes overboard playing with the cat, or investigating the kitchen trash. Trying to distract her with a toy doesnt seem feasible. When someone adopts a non-perfect dog from an animal shelter, that window of making a perfect dog is closed, and it seems ridiculous to insist that problems inherited (reactivity, aggression) can ALWAYS be efficiently dealt with using positive reinforcement methods. Isnt this what the “balanced” people are saying? To say “balanced” = shock collars and electrocution is unfair, and implies that positive methods are ignored.

[@vagandita]

I don't think that's ridiculous at all. Reactivity is mostly a fight or flight response. Introducing aversives can only make that worse. It's on us to creatively set up training scenarios that keep the dog under threshold so they don't react, and reward for that. Lots of shelter dogs are trained that way, successfully. (By me included.)

[@airelifted7874]

@@vagandita 💯

[@the_ethical_horse_girl]

the point is that people who use shock collars couldn't be called balanced trainers. Those who acctually train this way are using prongs, slips and e-colars (which give vibration). I've adopted a 2 year old dog and he was super reactive, anxious and because of that ,,agressive". Multiple positive only dog trainers told me to put him down. Then I found a GOOD balanced dog trainer and in a few sessions the problem is gone. And he isn't fearful of the trainer, the tools or me, because it was done the RIGHT way. In fact he starts wagging his tail and doing the little excitment dance when he sees his e-colar or his prong, because he knows we will be ,,working".

[@the_ethical_horse_girl]

@@m13l we are still working on it to this day, it's been a year. But a few sessions made a huge difference, he is another dog now, I can walk him on a flat collar just fine, but the difference the prong made is insane.

[@halliesmith8844]

@@the_ethical_horse_girl exactly. This is what balanced training should mean. It’s not aversive, because that would mean the dog is ONLY receiving punishment. A healthy balanced trainer can do AMAZING things. Most of the people in this page will not understand.

[@smartcanis]

This sounds so good in theory, it might even work for some dogs who are easy going but in practice, when we bring a Tibetan Mastiff, Rottweiler, Malinos etc. or have an aggression issues with the dog that is not caused by fear it doesn't work. Correcting a dog is not about being harsh or anything like that. It also shouldn't be done as a manifestation of frustration or any other emotions. Why when positive only trainers talk about corrections they bring up the worst possible examples of punishing the dog which are mainly used by uneducated people and often are not even a part of the training? And the concept of being alpha... Wtf? Doesn't matter how you want to call yourself, the dog needs you to provide food and guide it through life, you are the one who tells the dog what to do, so somehow you are higher in hierarchy even if it's not like in military or in other animals who live in groups. And science is not that clear and depending on whose research you read the answers might be very different.

[@zakgeorge]

You are totally correct about the science not being crystal clear. There are definitely lots of problems with virtually all of the studies on dog behavior. However, the totality of the science very much trends in the direction of aversive methods not providing an advantage over positive reinforcement methods. Furthermore, there are more concerns over a long term effects of using aversive methods. In the case of a dog that behaves aggressively in a specific context (I want readers of this to understand that dogs are not aggressive but behave aggressively depending upon context), One might be successful in getting a dog to stop a behavior in the moment. But the criticism of using forceful methods with dogs like this is that it does not adequately address an underlying emotional condition and even runs a higher risk of making it worse in the long run even though it may not appear in the short run. In other words, a dog may still be feeling ample stress and may not act out, possibly for an extended period of time. But under the right circumstances the dog may be likely to lash out worse than ever if the underlying emotional cause isn’t identified and modified. At least that’s my understanding as to why we would not want to use aversive methods to handle aggressive behavior. Please keep in mind that those who say “it doesn’t work” simply may not yet have the skills to address this issue and instead will fall back on what they “know“. That is not meant to be a criticism but rather an observation. As I said in the video we can’t possibly know what we do not know until we know it. And learning theory with dogs goes much deeper than I, or the average person, or the majority of dog trainers realize. It’s a pretty incredible science! I sincerely appreciate your voice in the conversation!

[@smartcanis]

@@zakgeorge I agree that physical corrections can make thing worse if someone doesn't know how and when to apply them, but wouldn't you agree that positive reinforcement used incorrectly, at the wrong time can also have negative effects?

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

@@smartcanis incorrect timing with rewards a few times isn’t really that detrimental. Also rewards don’t even have to be consistent after the initial behavior is taught because of extinction bursts. If a dog expects a reward for doing a certain behavior and does get a reward, he will continue trying the behavior more intensely to get the reward. Variable rewards are also more addicting. It’s why gambling is so addicting even though the total reward isn’t that great. With relying on punishing the dog for unwanted behaviors, you are working against extinction bursts, and failing to punish the behavior even once is a huge setback because the dog learns that he can actually get away with it. The book Don’t Shoot the Dog talks all about this.

[@smartcanis]

@@Purplesquigglystripe if you ask the dog to down and it sits (unwanted behaviour), you are not going to give the dog the reward (negative punishment), you might also let the dog know that it has done wrong by verbal reprimand like Ah Ah!, or No! (positive punishment). During the teaching phase if you give the dog reward of a lesser value it can decrease dogs motivation. The point is that you can't teach the dog to do something with positive punishment and you can't teach the dog not to do something with positive reinforcement. Why would you assume that information in this book are bang on accurate?

[@smartcanis]

@@Purplesquigglystripe by the way when you do behaviour modification program bad timing will set you back as you might unintentionally reward or punish something totally different to what you working on.

[@angelinacamacho8575]

I used the crate with my dog as a pup and he hated it but it was needed for house training, recovery from being neutered, feeding, or if I was boarding a dog at my house so my pup can observe my well trained lab greet other dogs so he learns proper etiquette when greeting dogs. He doesn't like the crate and I've tried to have him associate the crate with good things. I also used the crate to give my dogs and those being boarded a space to settle and take a break from the action. Some dogs feel a bit stressed in a crate but the crate has helped with a lot of issues and helped prevent issues with other pets and people. It helped with making my neutered pup become less aggressive with intact dogs.

[@larainewhite]

I think you should look into talking with Tom Davis cause I feel you are very misguided on what is balanced training vs dominance theory.

[@Erin_29]

Omg yes!!

[@judithtrigg1694]

I got my puppy in March 2022.you have guided me( as this is my first puppy)through my puppys stages.i have a balanced happy and good dog although she is coming up to her 1st year and getting larger than i expected.it's your training that has got me a beautiful dog thank you.I have to take into consideration the personality of my dog and we gell together.thank you.

[@mollykurtz8243]

👏👏👏 Realizing that I could effectively train/communicate with a dog without causing them pain (thanks to your videos) is one of the main reasons why I decided to keep my foster pup. I understood that there was a way to keep us both happy and comfortable. I’m so grateful for these videos. Question for you, this 18 week old pup is still going through biting phases. I am following your recommendations to exercise, redirect to an appropriate item, teach how hard is acceptable to bite, go into a training session, or give him some alone time. Unfortunately the thing that works best is having Bear do something easy that he knows well and then giving him a focus treat (like a kong with peanut butter) to keep him busy for a while until his mood shifts. I’m scared I’m reinforcing the biting by giving the treats. What do you think?

[@flowerchildkaitv2702]

Thank you for your videos. I adopted a pup back in February a lot of people have tried giving me advice saying I need shock collars / unpleasant correction. I’ve been watching your videos for years and the positive reinforcement angle to the training has really benefited us and our relationship with our dog

[@cianredmond3377]

I think there is nothing wrong with e collars as long as they are used correctly. I think the dog should have been thought the command with positive reinforcement and it’s ok to introduce it later to proof a command like recall.

[@zakgeorge]

I completely understand where you’re coming from. I think a lot of people think this way. I would encourage those same people to ask themselves if it is possible to train without an electric collar? And if there is a path forward that doesn’t require an unpleasant stimulation to a dogs neck using electricity, would that be a more favorable path?

[@Flippokid]

@@zakgeorge Do you like to use hand screwdrivers only when electric ones are too noisy? It's a tool, it has great use; you can touch the dog from 500 yards away. Is it possible to train it with other methods? Sure, but some things take longer, or the alternative is not letting the dog go off leash. Freedom is a currency too. And of course I'm not talking about jackasses that just light dogs on fire for looking at other dogs. Just like I don't think you defend trainers that tell people to euthanize their dog because it can't be helped. We both have bad apples in the fringes of our camps.

[@Erin_29]

@@Flippokid 🙌🙌

[@cianredmond3377]

@@zakgeorge that being said I have never used one myself but I do understand that they can be necessary for people with stubborn or high drive dogs

[@patmunro3531]

@@zakgeorge You had the example of the harnessed dog lunging after squirrel. Rightly said that the jerk on the end of the lead was aversive. Now REMOVE the harness, let the same dog be FREE. Cue squirrel. With the ecollar you STILL have the harness and lead when the dog takes off after the squirrel. AND no possibility of any bruising to the dogs chest. My dog can be FREE among rabbits and squirrels, would go mad restricted to a longline [used in recall training, as you do] Everything taught positively, even intro to ecollar, which is NEVER used in training. She [GSD] is 10x more reactive than Moira. I dont have ducks, I have hares.

[@vanessamcgrew4486]

6:42 does he think that’s what balanced training is??? With all your “balanced trainer” peers, I’d think u know that’s wrong

[@stevehaston1590]

I am training my first pup, Faora, and you have helped me immeasurably.( That's Samson in the pic. ) Thank you so much!

[@MaximillianandRubyGrace]

I would love your take(I’ve been bashed horribly) on a 165lb 2 year old intact newf. I ONLY did positive training for 10 months. I tried to be exciting, up the treat rewards etc. I can tell you I’m lucky my shoulder doesn’t have permanent damage. He would take off at dogs, birds, squirrels, nothing I did when we were out kept his focus on me and I watched your videos a lot. I had to out of safely for him(what if he ran into traffic or at an aggressive dog)have him ecollar trained. Finally I he would heel etc no longer was I getting dragged to the ground. Now this is still a daily work in progress So my question to YOU(again I’ve been bashed because apparently I’m awful for doing this to a Newfie) how would you suggest handling a giant breed with high prey drive, and almost no food drive??

[@Erin_29]

Keep using and training w the e collar? It seems like your dog understands it so far? Teach the behavior you want first, then layer in the e collar.

[@chelseag724]

Good for you ! I'm glad you did what was best for you ! F the haters

[@MaximillianandRubyGrace]

@@Erin_29 we are getting there! I’m actually able to use a slip lead. He does at times go but he will stop. Work in progress!

[@MaximillianandRubyGrace]

@@chelseag724 thank you!

[@Erin_29]

@@MaximillianandRubyGrace 👏

[@kareneaton433]

Our first lab puppy was trained the ", old-fashioned" choke chain with pops etc per his obedience classes. Many lab and lab mixes later, the same organization now uses positive reinforcement, as we plan to do with the new puppy we are getting next week (another lab). We have grown as owners, as has the organization. This training is much more fun for all involved and even more effective. It does take longer at the start to build trust and a relationship between us all, but is worth it.

[@workingsables4483]

Balanced and old fashioned are not the same methodology at all, and Zak probably shouldn't be talking on a subject he doesn't actually understand. 🤪

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

@@workingsables4483 Exsactly

[@doglabdogtraining-gus.8873]

Zak, great video, as a trainer myself I appreciate you and the way you explain these concepts to new generations. Thank you

[@sankey1988]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I trained my puppy with positive only in the beginning and it really worked untill we got out in the real world. Corrections were the only thing that helped to stop unwanted behaviour. Now I rarely need to correct him. Our training is still 99% positive. Your real life dog training is brilliant but you haven't had one aggressive, bite history dog or extreme case on your channel. How could you stop a dog lunging and biting you with a harness and treat in your hand? I would genuinely love to see it done and maybe that might change my mind. I still love to watch your videos I learned wonderful training tips from you but i will continue to be in the balanced school of thought dog owner and dog lover

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

Positive reinforcement is awesome but it starts to show it’s faults when it comes to proofing and real world

[@johnflaherty810]

With a toy that they use only for biting. We do it all the time. It works

[@sankey1988]

@@justagirlandherdogs615 I really really tried but my dog didn't stop wanting to lunge and sniff every single dog we passed. Tried the "look at me" command, toys, avoiding every dog. Then it got to the point where I didn't take him anywhere with us because he was just crazy around other dogs. Then I realise that's not the point of having a dog, he's a part of our family and I want him to come most places with us. Once I started to give him slight corrections and realised nothing bad will happen if I tell my dog "no" that's when things really changed. Yes he still wants to play with every dog but I can calm him down now and when he's relaxed he can play with the chosen safe dog if he behaves calmly. We still have lots of work on of course :)

[@justagirlandherdogs615]

@@sankey1988 💯💯💯

[@sankey1988]

@@johnflaherty810 we took him to a positive only trainer and she tried loads of things (that we had already tried) when she realised it wasn't going to work, she suggested we have him neutered to stop his fixation on other dogs. That cost a lot of money and I realised positive only isn't for us. If it works for your dog(s) every day I'm really happy for you, but it didn't work for us. Of course I would prefer to never tell my dog no but that's just not realistic. I've never used a prong/slip or e collar on my dog because we haven't needed to but I'm not opposed to those things if they work for other people

[@ShibbyDude223]

Zak is my favorite dog trainer. There are lots of dog training videos with different methods out there, but I consistently get the best results with your positive philosophy. Thanks Zak!

[@JasperTheServiceDemon]

Ok but do you think balanced trainers throw a tool on a dot without the dot knowing how to preform behaviors? A good balanced trainer will train the behaviors through positive reinforcement. If they think the dog needs extra shaping or they know the dogs will do good on the tool. They will introduce it. And they introduce it in a positive manner, they put it on the dog reward, then go about teaching the dog what to do with the tool when it’s used, still rewarding the dog as they go

[@zakgeorge]

I get that. And I also understand how that seems intuitive. And what I’m hoping to point out is that there appear to be more productive ways than to correct a dog who already “knows“a particular task. I’m not saying it isn’t without benefit to some degree. However, the latest science in this field seems to indicate that avoiding aversive corrections are likely to yield equal or better results without the risk of unintended side effects.

[@JasperTheServiceDemon]

Done under the right guidance and knowing how your dog will do on a particular tool is imperative for balanced training. I saw this one trainer, he has a sensitive dog, he was able to train the dog with an e collar, in such a way that the dot was genuinely happy and having fun. All training methods have that “done properly” balanced training is no exception. I have a more sensitive spirited service dog. We’ve been able to introduce tools to help shape behaviors in a positive way while using those tools, and now my 11 month old service dog no longer needs those tools as his behavior has been shaped properly

[@sdkjgbasdkgv]

If comparing the worst balanced training with the dumbest positive training, then the positive will usually come up on tops. However, if comparing the best balanced with the best positive training then the balanced will always be superior. This, for example, is why the best positive trainers simply cannot compete at the highest levels in dogsports that have competing motivators, e.g., igp.

[@guiltybyassociation1764]

Subscribed you months ago after coming across your series With Muira the GSD and thought you did an awesome, job I’ve seriously learnt so much from your techniques and methods. However I don’t believe this positive only method is the best approach. I think that was very evident with the Muayra the GSD. What you did with that dog in 2 weeks was amazing with everything except her dog reactivity, after 2 weeks there was hardly any real difference and to be fair I’ve seen dogs with far worse dog reactivity than what she had. I’m sure that given months and months and months of positive training you could of gotten over that hurdle but that’s not a realistic scenario for most people and I’d love to see positive only method work in an aggressive highly reactive dog. I’m sure I saw that your philosophy was the least amount of discomfort possible or words to that effect, which is great but genuine question is it not better to have a more balanced approach and use corrections to correct the behaviour as soon and as fast as possible? I mean if it takes 6 months to get a dog over their issues with positive only opposed to say a balanced approach where corrections are used and those are dealt with far faster and the dog is in a better and happier place much sooner, isn’t that better for the dog?

[@NakamitsuSama]

I agree! I also think to keep sending the message that positive only is the only way is damaging. Why limit people and dogs from getting the help they need because it isn't "positive only"? Thousands of dogs are dying every day and pushing the narrative of death before discomfort is getting a lot of dogs killed and surrendered to shelters and preventing a lot of owners from getting help.

[@guiltybyassociation1764]

@@NakamitsuSama totally agree, dont get me wrong I think Zak is great which is why I’m subscribed, but it feels like in this video he’s straw manning how people use corrections, the whole example of the create and making out like the balanced approach this dog would of gotten corrected for not staying at in the create which I don’t think is a typical of the balanced approach. As far as I’m concerned the balanced approach means use positive methods like what he was doing but when they don’t work or there’s a behaviour that can not be tolerated then you have the correction as tool in your arsenal. If you have a highly dog reactive dog for example, you could give it all the cooked chicken in the world and it won’t give a shit it just wants to get to that dog.

[@SigmaaaG]

@@NakamitsuSama I came looking for these comments. Thank you!

[@JasonLee-vh4cs]

Agreed!!! I call them limit vs limitless trainers. The goal of all trainers should be to train dogs with as little harm or corrections as possible but sometimes you just can’t. That’s the real world. You need to be able to adapt and admit when your methods don’t work. For example the Moira series is the best example where balanced training would have fixed the dog but his arrogance to R+ training prevented that.

[@guiltybyassociation1764]

@@JasonLee-vh4cs 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 yes and thank you for correct my spelling Moira 😂 I was close lol My first GSD was a rescue and was highly dog reactive and also reactive to men. She got corrected for those times where she lunged at them and very quickly learnt that’s not acceptable (I LOVED the dog and didn’t want her getting out down if she bit someone) after a very short amount of time I could walk her off leash around other reactive dogs around men etc she was literally the perfect dog, because those issue were dealt with really fast it meant she could go everywhere and anywhere with me, because those isssues were dealt with her quality of life improved immensely.

[@bmoney1488]

Positive only trains have no regard for how stressed out their dogs are in given situations. Adverse reactions tools can fix in twenty minutes what someone who wants to spend two months stressing their dog over making minimal progress.

[@ryanmalone2681]

This is ridiculous and your comparison is nonsense. Balanced training is 95% positive.

[@Erin_29]

🙌🙌💯

[@waynevaughan5263]

Once again an excellent video with Biscuts. We have a 10 week old miniature poodle Obi and he watched the video with me. We are using your training methods for our new pup and it works. It also teaches us patience. Thanks

[@Starlight-lv9vz]

Zak, at 18:50 when the off leash dog sprinted at biscuit… what did you do? Here where I live, off leash dogs with no recall skills are a huge problem for us. It is impossible for us to go on a walk or do a training session outside without being bombarded by misbehaving off leash dogs. The owners, just like in this video, do not care at all… just slowly walking as if nothing is happening

[@Erin_29]

I carry protection: citronella spray, a large carabeaner clip on the end of my leash, an extra leash, and a stun gun. I too have this issue while out walking with my dog. We've been attacked way too many times now, I'd rather my dog and myself not get hurt.

[@Traeyoung29]

As a balanced dog trainer I agree with a lot of what you’re saying in this video. But good balanced trainers don’t use terms like alpha or dominance almost ever. That’s not that’s just bad outdated training. Good balanced trainers use PR 90 percent of the time. But there are times where corrections are appropriate. Life is stress. It’s not all flowers and rainbows so why are we trying to create this illusion for our dogs. If we don’t teach our dogs how to deal with stress, we are doing a huge disservice to them. That being said, I crate train cute little puppies almost exactly the same as you do. And rarely use the word NO because i make NO actually mean something. Balanced trainers are a lot like PR Only trainers. We are just not as limited in what cases we can work with. Im still looking forward to your video showing how you train a truly aggressive dog. or how you reliably off leash train a dog to recall off of any distraction. That’s life saving training that keeps dogs from being put under ground and keeps them out of shelters

[@Traeyoung29]

Also that low level stim used to condition the dog on the e collar DOES NOT cause discomfort if done properly. Nor is it the only thing they’re working for. The dogs are still to be rewarded with food or toy once the stim stops. There is a lot of missing context in this video. I’m not trying to attack Zak, but instead of “balanced” training being in the title of the video, it should really just say “bad training”.

[@Erin_29]

@@Traeyoung29 yesss🙌

[@soniaflores221]

First of all I like your videos and approach, however Balance dog trainers are needed and I see many misconceptions in your comments. For example regarding "electric collars" they are not supposed to be use to train any behaviours, the dog must know the behaviour and the e collar is only there for safety, no matter how good your recall is if your dog is half a mile away from you and sees a trigger and doesn't respond to your voice commands, you must have a way of getting their attention, the e collar is just that like a touch in their shoulder from distance, no a torture device. Also e collars bought for $20 are crap and will shock a dog. People should buy good quality top of the spec ones and always learn how to actually work with an e collar. Same goes for any tool, prong collars are brilliant tools for big pulling dogs, no they don't hurt if use correctly quite the opposite as it distributes the pressure and don't sit in the middle of the neck, hurting their traquea but high up behind the ears. Again blame the users who don't know how to instead of the tool. Also it will be nice to see you dealing with a dog that is aggressive to humans, dogs, motorbikes anything, I am not talking mere reactivity here but dogs that will go for the bite and how would you deal with them with positive reinforcement only? I am talking from experience here, my dog due to his past, was reactive to everything and everyone but not your typical reactivity where the dog react, he will go for the bite. I had 4 trainers which all fail him, lots of $$$$$, (one of them wouldn't even come closer to my dog, who always wears his muzzle when meeting people or out and about)Finally found a brilliant balance trainer who help us enormously to the point where he could start walking with other dogs, be around people (as long as people actually listened to my instructions). He now can be off leash playing ball in a park and the minute I see another dog I can recall with 100% and he is not putting me in hospital with broken bones anymore due to his pulling either. Anyways my point is that probably for the majority of the dogs a totally positive approach might work, but there are some cases were it doesn't, and there have to be solutions for them too other than euthanasia. Keep up your good work with your training videos

[@kathleenabbott1546]

I think this is how people should live life. Love your vibe. If you decide to have kids, they are going to be so lucky. If you raise them with the gentleness and kindness of these animals, they will be in great hands.

[@Annabelle682]

There's absolutely nothing wrong worh balanced training that's truly balanced. You can use negative reinforcement or positive punishment without being unkind or harsh. R+ ONLY is a joke. People acting like they never tell their dog NO.

[@Nocomment552]

Same people who never tell their kids no and wonder why they end up emotionally unstable and dependent on mommy and daddy.

[@Erin_29]

@@Nocomment552 💯

[@thesensationaladventuresof1150]

Play along with me for a sec? Imagine you’re at your work place. You walk in and your co-worker is speaking to you, you’re a little distracted. The voice of someone you love and trust comes over like a tannoy “No!”. Oh, shit, I’m probably running late. It’ll be fine I’ll just head straight there. You pass a coffee cart and the smell makes your mouth water, oh OH they’ve got baked stuff too, your stomach rumbles. You figure it won’t matter a few seconds more. The same voice comes across the tango, NO! This carries on for the rest of your day - how are you feeling hearing no all day for the slightest infraction? Personally I reserve no for things that are likely to harm her and I also reserve raising my voice for that too. When she (Daphne) or He (Jaxx) hears mama say no and shout they’re appropriately speedy to knock whatever it was, odd.

[@Erin_29]

@@thesensationaladventuresof1150 there is no yelling NO going on....just a soft no from me. Lol. My dog knows what I expect of her. If she doesn't do what I expect of her it's a soft no, and sometimes a slight leash pop. But never any yelling...

[@thesensationaladventuresof1150]

@@Erin_29 that’s cool. I’m not saying don’t do how you’re doing, I was just explaining how I do and feel about it. Jaxx knows what’s expected of him, but Daph is there months old, my wheelchair is loud and sometimes while out there is a need to raise my voice to be heard. Both Of them rarely experience that raise or tone that tells them immediately “oh shit gotta stop right now” but idk if I’m explaining it well.

[@ivyrose779]

It seems like people who are anti-balanced training often have a stereotype and/or generalization of it mostly using overly harsh methods when that is inaccurate of good balanced trainers (in my experience at least). And, when they do use aversives, they aren’t heartless drill sergeant types who light their dogs up using an e-collar on the highest possible setting. I understand those people do exist, but I am not okay with it and certainly wouldn’t call them a good trainer. I’m not a pro trainer, but I have trained all of my dogs myself. My current dog is a doodle girl who is 1.5 yrs old and knows basic obedience and lots of fun tricks. I taught every command she knows using clicker training and we have a blast. It’s only once I’m confident she truly knows the command and then chooses to ignore me that I use aversives. And, remember that aversives don’t have to mean an intense, painful correction. Speaking to your dog in a stern voice is an aversive. When I call my dog and she looks back at me then chooses to continue doing whatever she wants to do, I am going to go grab her by her collar with a stern “feel” then maybe take her back to where I originally was and make her do a sit-stay for 10-20 seconds then tell her “free” and let her go on about her business. Of course, context is important too. I wouldn’t use an aversive if they unwanted behavior was due to fear, for example. Deciding which technique is best depends on the situation and the dog. Another example: We stayed with my dad who lives out in the country for a couple months last summer. He doesn’t have a fence and his dogs are country dogs that have free run of his property. Because of an incident where my dog decided it was great fun to chase the neighbor’s cows which is very dangerous for numerous reasons and it took us a good half hour to catch her, I started using an e-collar. I tried it on myself first and couldn’t feel it until it was at a level 3. It started to get uncomfortable at a level 5, but not painful at all. I only used levels 2-4 on her except for one time when she was completely ignoring me and at a dead sprint back at the cows again. In that situation, I gradually turned it higher until she stopped and started coming back. I’m sure it didn’t feel great, but she didn’t yelp or anything and was her normal, happy, goofy self when she got back to me. I am very confident that that one moment of a potentially not-so-good feeling was worth being able to run freely with the other dogs instead of having to be on leash the whole time we were there. Also, the fact that she gets more excited when the e-collar comes out than anything else because she knows it means we’re going to go do something extra fun is pretty good evidence for me. I see e-collars more as a communication device than a punishment. Kinda like a leash except they don’t have to be tethered to you with an e-collar. Another thing is dogs are dogs and have dog brains. In my experience, most dogs don’t care one bit if you have the tastiest treats in the world when you’re recalling them if they’re hyper focused on chasing a squirrel or whatever it is. That chase is hard wired into a lot of their brains. And, as much as I never want to be in that situation, having an e-collar as a backup in a life or death situation does make me let loose enough so that my dog gets to have more off leash adventures. Sorry for the novel. 😁 My point is, back and white thinking usually isn’t the best. Every situation and dog is different and I think it’s detrimental to dogs to take away options that can be used effectively and humanely. Imo putting effort into training people how to use them properly is better for everyone than trying to get rid of them because some people use them improperly.

[@jackmemphis3139]

Awesome insights from "inside" professional trainers dilema or trends. One question however: At 18:53, a dog came by to play (I assume) and you picked your dog from the ground to prevent interactions. Why are you doing this? Does that send an incorrect message to the puppy? I am asking because I will have an IG puppy soon. They are quite fragile and I have a few big dogs wondering around in the park near by.

[@maggie2759]

Agreed, I would have let her have interaction with this particular dog, the dog was not threatening.. there is such an urge to pick up little dogs up!.. but in the long run, that is not good, in her mind now, she wonders, what was wrong with that dog?... and do I need to be on guard for the next?..

[@jaanaenkerro445]

No reason to risk your dog getting bit or afraid of another dog. Dog to dog interactions should only happen between dogs you as the owner know.

[@purplegromit11]

5 mos old male Bernedoodle. Not food motivated but loves praise and affection. I have followed you on TV and online. I agree with your training method. Been meeting different trainers, checking out references. I found one I like and...fell in shower, dislocated left shoulder and for right now in sling/pain and being super cautious about literally keeping my balance. Waiting to hear on this coming Friday whether I need additional surgery. After I get a better idea when I can 50% strength back and feeling better. Trainer has an intensive 3 week program (board & train) At end of 3 weeks, the humans must spend 4 hours with trainer. Comes with lifetime support. Wish me luck Zak!