Why The Bad Batch Exclusively Uses Stun Rounds Now

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The Bad Batch are an elite commando unit known for operating deep behind enemy lines. When engaging the enemy they usually are outnumbered and facing overwhelming odds. But somewhere around the end of the first season of The Bad Batch, the commandos began using non-lethal stun rounds in battle. Today we take a look at why.
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[@GenerationTech]

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[@pyeitme508]

bruh

[@declangaming24]

Not paying £120 for a LED lightsaber

[@Whothatguy5544]

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[@Naerah]

@@declangaming24 Bought a "The Dark Lord" in december, emitters's crown was so bent i could not get the blade in. Had to use pliers and quite a lot of force to straighten them and it scratched and marred it quite a lot (ultimatly i dont care it's just weathering wich i will do). Lightsaber is actually not bad at all for under 200$. There's better saber out there for sure but they cost a lot more too.

[@CharlieHepp]

yes

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

My theory is that they don't want to kill their brothers if they don't absolutely have to. Echo especially wants to save as many clones as he can from the Empire's control.

[@jono3175]

Yeah but it wouldn’t kill them either way if they have there armer on

[@dred9174]

@@jono3175 Yeah they could the armor isn't impenetrable but I'd switch to lethal rounds against ordinary humans.

[@davidcapps8337]

For echo that makes sense but the others don't even like the regular clones so they shouldn't care

[@kenle2]

@@davidcapps8337 because not liking your (former) fellow soldiers is a good reason to kill them when you don't have to to stop them? Some people play too many video games and start thinking everybody's an NPC you can waste for "points".

[@RotalHenricsson]

@@davidcapps8337 i don't like my sister but i'd rather not have anyone shoot her either. You don't need to love somebody to not want them dead, especially family. And the closer they grow the more i suspect they're going to think about how they feel about their brothers.

[@Redraptor0001]

They used lethal rounds before they discovered the chips. So after that they probably wanted to minimize killing their brothers, only when necessary. I'm also pretty sure stun rounds are quieter then lethal so it makes sense to use them when being stealthy.

[@warfighter4129]

I thought about this too. I wish they had a scene where the squad established that they would use non-lethals whenever possible to minimize casualties. Having them decide to switch off screen seems like a missed opportunity and makes it confusing when they decide not to kill after killing so many others.

[@Redraptor0001]

@@warfighter4129 I like that they went for a show don't tell approach but yeah a throw away line would clear things up. When we start seeing stormtroopers more then clones, we might start seeing more lethal action.

[@terryloi6975]

They been spotted by the whole squad. There is no reason to continue using it, if they been spotted.

[@Redraptor0001]

@@terryloi6975 Then it's a case of again they really don't to kill unless necessary or unavoidable, or 2 as the video states it seems stun mode is a good shotgun mode, especially in close quarters or 3 they simple don't bother messing around changing modes since they're too busy thinking of escaping and since stunning works just a well as killing there's no point. Plus in war, its better to wound an enemy then straight up kill them since the enemy has to spend resources extracting and caring for the wonded soldier

[@nasis18]

I figured the same thing. They didn't want to kill their brothers.

[@AxelotlYT]

Wrecker proceeds to throw clones off the edge and use a makeshift rocket launcher against his clone bretheren

[@poloralphfloweren]

I was about to mention this

[@weldonwin]

And Tech shoots down a LAAT/i with an E-Web, killing both crew

[@Enigma75614]

@@weldonwin That was self defense.

[@Chungalus]

Sometimes, you cant do anything but kill a target. But also, disney logic with guns

[@kenle2]

Because you can't shoot down vehicles with stun bolts. And Wrecker is kind of a berserker when it comes to hand-to-hand. He beat down an adolescent Rancor with his fists. Let's face it, he'd probably kill any normal human he went full strength on.

[@RotalHenricsson]

I think they're increasingly realizing that they can "do more" for their brothers. I'm sure they're not delusional about freeing everyone but think of it from their perspective: every clone they fight is a slave that could potentially be rescued. They know about the chips, they know about defectors. And Regs or not, brainwashed or not, those are all still their brothers. Remember "We would have taken you back"? They're planning something. And the poor Captain in episode 2 is supposed to show us that they can succeed in that; looks like the bio chip is wearing off.

[@davidklop5779]

It doesn't make sense to me that the bio chip would "wear off". I prefer the idea that while order 66 made them aggressive to Jedi increased their ruthlessness, they still held their general values and personalities. Howzer was kind to Ryloth citizens because that was part of his values, but he may have still attacked a Jedi on sight. Same goes for their attitudes to their brothers.

[@WSFM_Rex]

Well said

[@_od_7825]

I’d have thought because they don’t want to kill their ‘brothers’ but then Wrecker tends to blow them up or kill them one way or another.

[@RotalHenricsson]

well, he's probably not thinking streight in those situation. Plus brainwashed or not they *are* trying to kill them; to me it looks like "we do this non-lethal if possible; if not possible we got a Hulk."

[@Matongo1]

Wrecker doesn't count, he'd probably kill a normal random citizen if he got a heavy cannon

[@LeafBoye]

@@RotalHenricsson I always thought he just REAAAALLLYYYY wanted that rather large weapon we saw in s2, you know what scene I'm talking about, shame on wrecker

[@kingnothing5678]

Wrecker: "Y'all ready to see Jango!"

[@RotalHenricsson]

@@Matongo1 he do be sort of insane. I love him. Him and Omega are the only Bad Batchers i got the figures for; she's perched on his shoulders :3

[@craftermatt3609]

One theory I had was that stun rounds are less power hungry on the ammo and so let's their ammo last longer then if they constantly used normal rounds. This would be another advantage for them as they probably do not have nearly as easy access to new ammo. Although I'm not sure if stun rounds require less power, again just a theory.

[@Straswa]

Plausible.

[@lancer737]

Actually in the lore it takes more energy to fire a stun round than the normal blaster bolt on default output.

[@alexandruraresdatcu]

Bullsheut, it is because of disney

[@sarowie]

we could theorize that the technology to maintain a stun gun is easier to come by, as it is not seem as strategically.

[@ObligedUniform]

@@alexandruraresdatcu Mando Season 1 episode 1: man very CLEARLY getting cut in half by a door even if you do not see the exact millisecond it happens. So fuck right off with that.

[@jameswillen6749]

My personal theory is that they are trying to be under the radar if you count how many clones were stunned during those episodes if that turned into a full body count that would make them Public Enemy Number One and draw way too much heat. Meanwhile one or two clones dead and a bunch of stunned with the war chest all accounted for. It just turns into a very menial report that no one will bat an eye at.

[@ToonLinkFan95]

I was thinking the same. A lot less heat if there's no/ next to no deaths.

[@bonydanza7046]

True that, they might've sent somebody serious and not-british if the boys were stacking identical bodies high enough.

[@skyden24195]

Official report: "The Bad Batch, or Clone Force 99, are dead." (As stated, or alluded to at the end of season 2, episode 2). -I'd say this ties in, somewhat at least, to your theory.

[@brianmoyachiuz905]

Basically Batman's logic in the Arkham games, I don't kill but explosives or yeeting you off an edge is fair

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Or Lupin the Third's "no-kill" rule.

[@Squiddy-go1du]

I love how young clones usually go down in one shot from stun rounds but old man captain Rex (wearing stormtrooper armour) takes multiple shots to go down.

[@zachduperron8543]

Same with Scorch but he was wearing the extremely resilient katarn class armour that can take so much abuse it’s not funny 😂

[@pope2552]

stormtrooper armor is good

[@Squiddy-go1du]

@@pope2552 it maybe good but then you have a clone like Gregor who is wearing commando armour and he also takes multiple shots to go down.

[@masterchief9177]

There was a regular clone who took two stun rounds in total but obviously got knocked out with the 2nd one.

[@pope2552]

@@Squiddy-go1du different purpose, their armor was made to fight to the death. Stormtrooper armor is made for recovery and redeployment. Most blasts just knock stormtroopers out

[@zeus4804]

Thought it was funny with Hunter using stuns and Wrecker using the cannon in the episode

[@deerhawk7788]

Yeah, like he definitely was killing some like the v-wing pilot is definitely dead.

[@R0-83-RT]

@@deerhawk7788 Would have laughed out loud on of the showed the pilot escaping with a parachute.

[@muellek7]

I think the turning point was Wrecker falling under the control of the inhibitor chip. Before that, the BB didn't really understand how powerful the chips' influence was. They just saw that the other clones were willing to kill them, so they had no problem returning the favor. After the incident on Bracca, they fully understood that the clones were not fully in control of their own thoughts, never mind their actions. The BB became much more sympathetic to the other clones, especially Echo and Omega, and decided to spare as many as they can. They are still killing clones where it's unavoidable, like the V-Wing pilots in the most recent episode. As for the TK Troopers on Mt. Tantiss, I don't think the BB stunned them because they didn't want to kill them. I think it was because they already had their blasters set to stun for the clones, and stunning the TKs was faster than switching to lethal.

[@jiffypoo5029]

I assumed that they use Stun Rounds now because they are the good guys in a Disney+ cartoon; The same thing happened with Ahsoka in Rebels. Ahsoka was a cold killer in The Clone Wars before Disney but after Disney with Rebels, Ahsoka doesn't kill anymore.

[@alexandruraresdatcu]

Exactly , it is because of disney

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

I’m changing this comment so I don’t get told I’m wrong 15 times

[@bluerobin2982]

@@luigimrlgaming9484 Dude she slaughtered death watch members

[@darthsid49]

@@luigimrlgaming9484 in season 4 she decapitated four mandalorians

[@larifax-8107]

@@alexandruraresdatcu yeah its only Disney. Not a chance she stopped living out the traits she shared with her former master bc he became a fuckin monster…

[@rexlumontad5644]

Because Bad Batch didn't want to kill their own fellow Clones despite being mutants and different from them.

[@JAD-nb1io]

Stun rounds might be a cheaper way to retain amo. They aren’t backed by the empire anymore so they need to conserve energy rounds, and stub rounds don’t consume as much energy as regular blasts do

[@Mike1064ab]

Meh they work for Sid she can get them whatever they need for the job. They have no shortage of ammo.

[@danese1636]

@@Mike1064ab With an empire cracking down on systems, lowering how often one buys ammunition would be a wise choice.

[@Relgar47]

The Bad Batch are just Star Wars A-Team, and the A-Team dont kill people. A truck flips upside down and explodes but you'll always see the crew climb out. Having a stun feature on a blaster just makes it more convenient to take someone out and tell the audience "Theyre just sleeping"

[@lol-un6nl]

disney

[@ClericOfPholtus]

And hey Take prisoner on the off chance you ever need to question

[@a1pha_star]

@@ClericOfPholtus It's smart. lol

[@ThereMayBeLions]

@@lol-un6nl Then you have Andor, a Disney series, where it's main character shoots people at Point Blank range without premeditation. Get out of here with that logic

[@chancemodiri3672]

fr. it was annoying seeing it in rebels but i could understand because it seemed like a very child focused show. I am pretty annoyed and upset that they are using stun in the bad batch tho. this is targeted to those who watched the clone wars series and should be a bit more serious. The clones are trying to kill them. a highly specialized and lethal spec forces unit shouldnt be using stun

[@andrewlyon4495]

bigger question is why Jedi (besides Ezra) never used stun weapons instead of their lightsabers. They seemed to prefer literal disarmaments to knock out blasters

[@DoctorWhoKage]

Because it's more "civilized", apparently. As if their laser swords are no more barbaric than actual swords and other medieval melee weapons.

[@ClericOfPholtus]

Cause Jedi are monsters and rebels are terrorists and he's half and half.

[@theothertonydutch]

Stop trying to invent lore-friendly reasons and call it as it is: Disney.

[@jeffengel2607]

Jedi are sponsored by Big Prosthetic.

[@Dendricklystable]

@@theothertonydutch star wars existed for 35 years before Disney

[@jkrolak7978]

You're second theory was the correct one. Rex and the Bad Batch switched over to "stun" at least against clones as they are their brothers and not necessarily willing warriors for the Empire. As for others, they just don't want to take the time to switch back/forth as they have no idea who or what they might encounter next. Or time to switch back. I suspect you would see them use "standard" rounds against anything tougher or that needs to be put down

[@IsaacKuo]

When Ahsoka duels with Anakin, and she says, "Thanks for all the long term brain damage!", Allen's going to lord it over all of us.

[@Meravokas]

When it comes to the episode in the TK trooper facility. Since they didn't know how many clones there might be, or necessarily that all TK troopers were volunteers/conscripts. If they started with stun bolts, it's easier to just keep in one mode than swapping constantly if they don't want to potentially kill any brothers, or see them pop up right in the middle of gunfight.

[@dogloversrule8476]

What about when Wrecker goes fully lethal in 2.2? He’s quite happy to blast his clone brothers into oblivion with the cannon thingy

[@TheZamaron]

I think in those cases it's unavoidable, like when they're pinned down by tons of fire, they don't want to kill their brothers, but will only if things are gettign too rough, Wrecker thought quickly to clear them a path, or when fighters would be chasing them, they will kill clones if needed, but only as a last resort, otherwise they try their best for non lethal like stun shots. But of course in the heat of combat, anything can happen, liek I don't think in S2 EP 2 a gunship was raining fire on them so Tech used a repeater canon to take it out, meanwhile 2 speeder bikes were zooming up and they were trying to get Omega and Hunter pulled up, Tech had no choice but touse the turret to shoot the speeders, which were already moving so fast that they and their troopers went falling over the cliff.

[@dogloversrule8476]

@@TheZamaron the problem I have with it is the fact that Wrecker seemed so happy using the jury rigged canon against his fellow clones.

[@Matongo1]

@@dogloversrule8476 Because he's literally named "Wrecker"

[@TheZamaron]

@@dogloversrule8476 I think he just loves blowing shit up, no matter what it is.

[@dogloversrule8476]

@@TheZamaron true, but then why his he only carrying smoke bombs and keeps his blaster set to stun?

[@mesiagamer5217]

Every clone is a brother.

[@lerneanlion]

According to Geetsly's, it is because the Bad Batch wanted to defy their dolphin masters, the Kaminoans.

[@theblackswordsman3612]

I like to think the reason why it did take so many stun rounds to deal with 62 in bad batch is the armor as a build in shield in it and could be the same reason why Gregor survived

[@theblackswordsman3612]

@@user-ox3mj2sr8n to me it will always have a shield I don't care about canon

[@Savitar_G.O.S]

To be honest. I like the design of the Tk trooper armor more than the empire stormtrooper armor. It looks really realistic and more threatening than the stormtroopers.

[@BarrissCoffee]

It was ever since Rex explained to TBB that the other clones are working against their will due to the chips, and now they are trying to free their brothers.

[@Deathwatch_2002]

Another reason to use stun rounds instead of lethal rounds would be to mitigate the damage during missions. If they went around killing every clone they fought, the remaining clones would see them as monsters and have no remorse gunning the Bad Batch down.

[@moshe4787]

Can you do a video on the significant increase of stormtrooper aim in Andor? These stormtroopers broke the cliche and ain't playing no games in Andor.

[@ventusvindictus]

Once again, Generation Tech shows their tasteful approach to the overlap of politics and entertainment. Y'all are a breath of fresh air!

[@profusionn3292]

I never even realized that Rex killed like 4 clones when he was still dazed and not completely sure what was happening then realized and went to stun

[@NeoSharkey]

I agree with Ninya...and I'd add in that they probably don't want Omega to see them killing all the time. May have a bad effect on a kid who already had a less than normal childhood.

[@imlegos2153]

Ironically, the bad batch are younger then Omega. She even says so herself.

[@finndaffron]

@@imlegos2153 But more brain developed due to accelerated aging

[@rarewhiteape]

I may be mis-remembering things but the rescue mission in episode 10 takes place after they go to Bracca and have their chips removed, and I thought it was made obvious that they realised if they spare their brothers they could potentially save as many as possible if they could also convince those troopers to remove their chips. So this is hopefully some foreshadowing for a clone rebellion a few years down the line.

[@ThatOneAznDude]

They are either using stun rounds to save ammo for their blasters while also not wanting to kill their fellow clones. I have a feeling if they survive long enough for the Empire to switch to Stormtroopers they will start going lethal mode

[@otto1449]

I'm also a supporter of generally not killing enemies if possible. Apart from that I believe that the concept of enemies is a purely temporary concept. Yes, today we will shoot at each other, but tomorrow we might be allied against a greater evil. Then there are the advantages that the lower one keeps one's side's violence, the less the other side feels it necessary to strengthen its means. And in the end it's pointless to kill foot soldiers anyway, nothing is more replaceable than human resources. So what the bad batch is doing makes strategic sense too, because if your opponents are aware that you're sparing their lives, they'll fight less intensely and may even reconsider their loyalty to their cause.

[@FastTquick]

I’d like to recommend watching Geetsly’s video on why the Clone Troopers make for terrible Imperial Stormtroopers. He explains the The Bad Batch does not see Clone Troopers as evil. They were merely following orders even if those orders came from a totalitarian government. Also, those TK Stormtroopers were freshly recruited Imperial citizens who didn’t commit any evil actions yet. So from what I can tell, I believe The Bad Batch believed that it wouldn’t feel right for them to kill fresh recruits who didn’t do anything to deserve such a fate.

[@roterotevideo]

Hunter said to Crosshair some people don’t like watching people die. Generally they’re fighting droids and proportionally few organics. Likewise most of their combat was directed via missions in the war effort. They didn’t get to pick their targets. Now they can and that independence changed their tactics. Further no bodies, less imperial problems cause commanders can hide their mistakes.

[@CreepersNeedHugs]

"getting heart palpitations or irregular heartbeats after getting hit by multiple stun rounds" Ahsoka: *laughs in stunned*

[@maaderllin]

Also, having blaster bolts of different color OR shape for each "faction" in the fight helps with the visuals of the battlefield.

[@violet_skrs]

a possible reason as to using stun rounds on the TK troopers is that there was still a lot of unknowns at the time. though they were informed of who was beneath the armor. plus having to constantly switch back & forth would be too time consuming and distracting during their exfil. so they probably just focused their energy on escaping and using the stun rounds to avoid accidentally killing a clone. edit: but wrecker is wrecker. if he has a chance to smash or make something go BOOM, he's gonna take the opportunity and obluterate anyone trying to kill him, clone or not.

[@captainkeeliforever4184]

"One Shot dropping power of the stun rounds" *laughs in Scorch*

[@zeratul____1228]

Just with the engagement with the TK Troopers and Commandos I think its was simply a case that switching from lethal to stun takes focus away from a battle and by the time you have switched they could be back behind cover or already got blasted from another ally.

[@neckermangames5872]

I'm not hugely familiar with blasters, but is it possible the stun uses less gas than normal blaster bolts? If so that could also be a reason why the Bad Batch uses stun a lot, so they don't use as much of their 'ammo'. After all they're not getting it for free from the Republic/Empire anymore so it's likely harder and more expensive for them to get.

[@chaosinc.382]

I'm no expert, but I'd reckon so. After all, a bolt meant to /kill/ likely has a bit more punch. A bit more punch means a bit more juice per shot. So maybe it is cost effective.

[@jedidrummerjake]

Very insightful. Thanks, Allen.

[@gortab]

One possible reason would be to better visually distinguish between the team's weapons fire and their opponents, either in-universe or out. In most Star Wars battles, different sides tend to use different colored blaster fire or light sabers so you'd get to see one side shooting red bolts and the other side using blue. But if the Bad Batch are just using their normal clone trooper weapons fighting other clone troopers, there's no reason they would switch the color of their weapons. So instead, they change the _shape_ of their blaster bolt. Instead of having a big fight where everyone is shooting blue bolts at each other, one side is shooting donuts. This helps give some visual distinctiveness to the protagonists during a big firefight, since one side's weapons fire is visually distinct from all the other weapons fire in the scene. I think this is especially useful for new viewers since so many characters are in armor. If someone just sees these scenes without context they might have trouble visually telling the bad batch from the regular troopers, but would be able to recognize their weapons fire being different.

[@ryansullivan7149]

It’s to distinguish who’s firing. They’re all using blue blaster bolts so having the Bad Batch use stun blasts helps make their battles with the regs easier to understand and follow

[@Straswa]

Great vid GenTech.

[@dsdmtom]

The destruction of the facilities on Kamino and the fact there will be no new clone troopers might have changed their moral calculations.

[@Lord_IckisDickus]

my theroy is that after seeing howser stand up for what was right but at the same time not abandoning his brothers, hunter even pauses and looks back at howser while the clone theme plays in the background. i feel they're realizing that not all the clones seem to wanted to willingly follow the order 66. especially with the new bad batch trailer with cody literally saying "some of the clones have mixed feelings."

[@CJ-442]

I think the main reason why the BB weren’t using stun rounds prior to Raxus was bc they weren’t going into those situations planning on actively engaging in combat. They were hoping to completely avoid it altogether. Whereas with Raxus, they went in fully expecting a firefight and never really looked back after that.

[@Hueyy710]

Like a lot of other people in the comments I figured it was because they didn't want to kill there brothers and especially knowing about the chips, with wrecker i think he just gets carried away lol.

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

Didn't they blew a few ships with Troopers in them already? They are holding g off for the most part but they don't hold back a lot.

[@medleystudios72]

I'm fully on board with the idea that the Bad Batch started favoring stun rounds because they feel the clone troopers are their brothers and going non-lethal is more morally in line with their interpretation of the situation and that bleeds over to rounds against non-clones. They see all troopers for the Empire as being victimized by the corropt leadership, even the conscript troopers. That's what I'm perceiving.

[@CrashCraftLabs]

i like how stun rounds pass through the armors haha, like it would be my go to too

[@TorrentStudios]

The way I see it, the Bad Batch know clones are quite tough. In most situations where the CF99 use stun rounds, they're escaping and don't have time to aim properly. If they hit clone troopers with blaster fire in the wrong spots and leave them barely wounded (for example, legs) some resilient troopers could pick themselves up and keep firing at the CF99. Whereas most troopers go down with at most 2 stuns, giving the CF99 ample time to escape before the troopers awake.

[@SilverHuskyYT]

I never thought about this little detail

[@IbxDragon255]

I always knew it would be more effective because of its wide radius and also a guarantee takedown

[@anonim9609]

But this is a problem if it wasn't so popular in movies. It's not consistent

[@dylanjohnson4858]

Wouldn't this make their criminal record be lighter if they ever get caught? Maybe it's preparations for the worst while also being more preferable in combat?

[@sarowie]

Do you think that the empire will put them on trial instead of killing on sight? I mean, the criminal record still matters: Limited resources mean you can not hunt down every escaped clone. Try to sabotage a death star and don't wonder why there is a new moon in the sky. Be a minor inconvenience to the over all operation? Not worth looking for those guys while loading a ship.

[@galletgaming]

Funny thing is Anakin could’ve easily used cyan or orange rounds, also known as non-lethal because they were used extensively by both the Jedi and Kaminoians

[@seanrumble9665]

The stun mode could save gas for their blasters because they don't have much credits to refuel

[@bryanwilkens]

Dude, I friggin love you.

[@cadepaul3867]

Tactical. If your side shoots circles and your enemy shoots lines, it's easier to identify friends when seperated on a smokey battlefield

[@jeffengel2607]

For that matter - it's easier for _viewers_ to tell the difference, which may be an out-of-universe reason.

[@BaxterAndLunala]

While the regs being their brothers explains why the Bad Batch stun them instead of killing them, that doesn't explain why they stunned Stormtroopers instead of just killing them. Every Stormtrooper they kill would deny the Empire a fresh recruit.

[@Minecraftassassin-re6og]

Maybe another theory could be that they don't want to put themselves on the empire's wanted list though the actions of murder therefore having bounty hunters coming after them so instead they spare the lives of the men of the empire to prevent being put on the wanted list by imperial officers and to minimize how many problems they have to deal with at once just a theory but to me it seems logical

[@sarowie]

I would assume that they are on the wanted list either-way, but there is a difference between smuggling death star plan on one droid and a minor inconvenience on the other clone. Meaning one level will cause a full on hunt, will the other only is a "neutralize on sight if it does not hinder the primary mission objective".

[@jeffengel2607]

@@sarowie And if they are being hunted by fellow clones for now particularly, those fellow clones may be coming at them with less than absolute fanatical lethality when the Batch has been pointedly sparing _their_ lives. They can reduce the intensity AND the lethality of the likely response to them.

[@dutch_asocialite]

I thought stun rounds would've been less reliable than blasters simply because they're larger than regular bolts; when it comes to stun guns in the real world, in order for it to have any effect at all both probes need to be making contact with the person's skin, which is certainly doable but difficult at longer ranges and especially if they're moving, given they move slower than bullets. I don't see why a similar assumption can't be made for stun rounds, in that if only a part of the round makes contact with a person it has a reduced or no effect, since they're so much larger and get larger with range, and especially so since we've only ever seen a stun round completely envelope someone. Certainly we can't definitely say so as it hasn't been demonstrated but I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption.

[@rogueparagon9952]

Bad batch probably started using stuns once finding out about the chip and that they aren't doing it of free will. seems very straight forward

[@jeffengel2607]

There may be a sense that what you do in war is a bit more tolerably brutal than what you do in mercenary work, in addition to a (slightly delayed) realization that not killing their brainwashed clone brothers IS a realistic and appreciated option.

[@alphanimetv]

It's funny to notice that Wrecker doesn't really use Stun round. He uses his DC-17m in letal mode the most of the time. I guess it depends on the personality of the characters and the situation.

[@ScottRobsco]

Thank you.

[@matthewknauf3625]

I always figured that there is a benefit for not killing a lot of people when you are on the run. one being, there brothers won't form a squad to after them to avenge the deaths of the other clones.

[@asmallworld4159]

I appreciate the switch. I assumed it was because they didn't wanna kill their brothers anymore. The one hit ko is also very helpful in always moving during the missions

[@PantherCat64]

I thought it was purely a "Hay, we're trying to keep the child safe, let's not make ourselves the most wanted in the empire and keep the body count low." And it probably came with other advantages, even though it sounds the same to me, stun a rounds are much quieter and are better for stealth, which they'll be doing a lot. I think I've seen someone in the comments mention they use less power and helps keep things cost efficient. Which I feel like creates plot holes in other parts of the star wars universe and removes some potential drama, but that's not the point. Lastly it gives the small moral perk. You don't have worry about having the consciousness of killing what is basically your brothers and being able to claim the ones you did kill were necessary for your survival, along with probably causing _less_ , repeat _less_ trauma to the kid you're dragging with you everywhere.

[@NathanC35]

I think the real turn around was seeing Wrecker's chip activate. They relized that none of these clones had a choice, but also that there is some chance that they could be helped

[@theawesomeman9821]

I just wanna point out that Wrecker didn't bother to use a stun gun in episode 2 of season 2, he killed people with a plasma cannon.

[@skyden24195]

Probably not the first to point this out, but in season 2 when the odds become more stacked against Wrecker and Hunter, they do resort to more lethal means, i.e., Wrecker utilizing the cannon off of a separatist tank to blast out of a cornered situation. I'm pretty sure some of the troopers who were in Wrecker's blast path did not survive.

[@slammo69]

Just wanted to say great job everyone at GT I love your videos

[@thelieutenant7732]

I think there's also a bit of saving ammo, I think I've read or heard somewhere that stun rounds take up less energy and gas. When you're on the run and can't readily re-arm without drawing attention from the Empire, it might be nice to conserve.

[@axtothemax4356]

I love Ahsoka and I can sort of relate to being knocked out constantly. I suffered 2 concussions in high school football and both times I was knocked out. Thankfully the second time was my senior year so I didn’t have to stop playing for the rest of high school🙏

[@kennethpeterson7524]

They thought the clones were traitors, and then started realizing they were brainwashed by the chips. So now they only kill when they feel it necessary. Wrecker felt it was necessary to throw clones off ledges and blow them up with a cannon.

[@Star_Wars_With_PercyMan]

Cool to see their progression to using more stun rounds than lethal rounds

[@bipod3549]

I like to think of them as the A- Team of the Star wars universe. There’s a lot of similarities between them and to an effect more believable than the 80‘s show because the stun mode exists.

[@mattthemouse1]

8:02 sparing many people makes the bad batch not as big of a priority. If they start chewing through all of your forces, you have to do whatever it takes to stop them simply so you can maintain unit strength and morale. If your units are just stunned but humiliated, it makes closer to a real nuisance than a existential threat

[@Noone-jn3jp]

The first time I saw ANH was in theaters in the 2000’s, I didn’t really see that Leia was stunned so later on I was shocked to find this was original original

[@shirosaki97]

I'm thinking it may be logistical. The bad batch is completely cut off from reliable supply, and while they have really good, military grade weaponry, the fact is they don't have infinite ammo, the stun rounds, being less lethal, should at the very least be less taxing on the power pack and maybe even consume less tibana gas per shot, meaning the Bad Batch can remain in combat for longer periods of time, all the while not really suffering the downsides of the less lethal round, since they're usually in CQC anyways. Also Omega, they're probably using them because of Omega.

[@TikkaQrow]

They don't want to kill their clone brothers. It's that simple. It'll probably be an entire episode as the fight their morals while clones are replaced.

[@vanillamilk7575]

Something is so relaxing about your voice

[@toakongu1]

Far as using stun rounds on Imperial troopers goes, they were involved in a mobile CQC engagement. Probably started off going against their brothers and decided to use stun rounds, but either didn't think or didn't have time to switch to lethal rounds against Imps

[@Hopewillbefound]

I think and I'm sure others have said this but deep down the regs are still like brothers to them and don't wanna kill their own.

[@ilyasbasuki3207]

Seems like they prefer to not kill clones, hence the stun rounds, but still won't hesitate to kill if they have no other choice, like Wrecker's new weapon or Tech shooting down the gunship and speeders.

[@kostakatsoulis2922]

I figured it was partially to conserve ammo. They can't have a whole lot spare power packs left, and even if they're rechargeable I imagine they degrade over time.

[@MrAndy2456]

Honestly I feel like it's going to get to a point where the bad batch do decide to stop using stun rounds, once they realize that there is no saving anymore clones from the empires control

[@politesse3914]

MOST of the Bad Batch uses stun rounds. Young Omega uses a presumably more lethal laser crossbow thingy, which I believe you did a whole episode on already.

[@mayank141276]

1. Stun rounds are cheaper and still pretty effective, 2. They are fine with killing but I assume they would prefer not too. 3. They dont want a bad influence on omega 4. Sometimes they have to take hostages and setting it to stun from the get go can lower the chances of mis fires

[@TheRealDarthRevan]

I agree with your assessment, but I also imagine there is a more practical reason for this... a less powerful round uses less tibana gas. For example, a DC-15A could fire 500 shots in low power mode, but only 300 on the high power setting. Remember, these guys aren't exactly rolling in credits. they don't yet have the financial backing of a larger rebel organization, so they have to save credits where they can

[@krika1119]

With the topic of Bad Batch in mind, in Rebels we see Rex, Gregor and Wolffe. Rex was helped out by Ahsoka, who removed his chip, and the explosion that Gregor suffered from no doubt fried that chip, resulting in the personality we know him currently for, however he wasn't able to be brainwashed like all the other clones, hence why he ended up getting locked up and Rex got the help of the Bad Batch to get him out. But then there's Wolffe. So far we haven't gotten really any info as to when he got freed of his control and joined up with Rex and Gregor. There could be a chance we may see that in season 2 for the series.

[@momaw_C1-10P]

Hey, us Australians aren't jumping into situations without looking, we are running from drop bears. Hence all the firing in every direction. You never see a drop bear until it's too late and they are often accompanied by a legion of spiders and dive bombing magpies

[@Mr-Rinn]

I think it’s mostly the inhibitor chips, knowing the Clones aren’t doing it entirely of their own accord.

[@GameTavern2224]

I think after what they went through with Wrecker when his chip finally took over they realized none of the clones might be acting on their own will, and we saw after braca they were using stuns. plus we saw Wrecker open fire on the TK troopers with zero damns given. something tells me when we get more TK cannon fodder its back to kill. as for this softening on gun violence I think that episode with Cody and Crosshair kinda shoots that argument in the foot (pun intended)

[@nataliewashere]

*new Zealand. you said the clones were using Australian aggressive tactics - unless the aussies are known for that and I didn't know. Temuera Morrison is from new Zealand and so are the clones accents.

[@williamlynch2944]

Both Australians and new Zealanders have used aggressive tactics in combat but most people tend to forget that new Zealand is even a country it's a running joke that the new Zealand government embrace but both countries are fairly similar in terms of military and tactics

[@jackknife7988]

I always thought after Rex said "I dont want to bury any more of our brothers" they took that to heart and started using stun rounds.

[@Luke-vg7ut]

They know that their clone brothers do not have free will and if they did they may be victims. The clones who still have inhibitor chips are just as much victims of the empire as anyone else.