Why the best Ubers Pokemon isn't banned in OU - Open Mic

[@nmi682]

ill always love the comparison of snorlax essentially being the car engine for EVERY team in this entire game

[@dddmemaybe]

Maybe that level of consistency, with at least one Pokemon, is actually good for making the game more competitive and less random. I really enjoyed watching the game back when Landorus was a universal flex-pick, running different sets but grounding the game a bit.

[@ihavepissinmybrain]

A comparison I like more is viewing Snorlax as the Queen from Chess.

[@berr21able]

Lax is honestly deserving of a remake video; its role in Gen 2 alone could be about as long as the old video in its entirety, and it even won a VGC championship in Sun & Moon.

[@Crusina]

Sisnt it get a buff in gen 9 or am i crazy

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@@Crusinait's not in gen 9 yet.​

[@tktyga77]

Would be a great time to give it Slack Off or other recovery move besides Rest (even if a draining move gets taken in)

[@bdt2002gaming]

@@tktyga77 This would be hilarious but also sad given that this is the one generation where healing moves had their PP lowered to 8

[@screwtokaiba]

It was banned in Sun and Moon era Smogon Doubles too Its actually crazy how under the radar Lax went that gen despite how insane that gen is to iits competitive career

[@ovbrook3057]

I've heard lax compared to the queen in chess, and it feels apt. Blatantly stronger than everything around it, but you only get one, and there's a ton of nuance and skill in efficiently piloting it that helps focus the metagame in a healthy way. But even better, unlike a queen that is the same unit every time, you can get very creative with lax sets; two snorlaxes in gsc can share 0 moves while both being the optimal way of anchoring their teams.

[@kilojuliet4]

Yeah you can run a ton of different snorlax sets and all of them have different checks and team strategies. If you don't know what the opponent's snorlax is, you cant switch ANYTHING into it safely, especially not your own snorlax, but once you've caught on to the set there's a number of different ways to respond to each. Not even niche picks, either - if youve got a consistent team you probably have the tools to play around it already in your team naturally, and you just have to figure out how to get them in. There's a ton of mindgames around guessing sets, too, cuz no team preview. You have to deduce their sets based on the teammates and moves they reveal, and they could always be bluffing one set just to explode on you.

[@michelecozzarin]

Basically: If they ban Snorlax, Zapdos becomes broken. If they ban Zapdos, water types have no counters. If they ban water types such as Cloyster, Suicune and Starmie, ground types would dominate. It’s a domino effect that worsens the overall gaming experience. Hence, keep Snorlax in OU

[@CheckUnderYou]

This.

[@Wandermidget]

It has nothing to do with balance or domino effects. The people who play Gen 2 simply don't want to play an OU meta without Snorlax. Legacy formats are the most restrictive to change because people want it to reflect a point in history. Pokemon in later generations have gotten banned for WAY less than the egregious bullshit Snorlax pulls in Gen 2.

[@Brown95P]

What about Raikou and Jolteon? Sure, they're weak to ground, but l don't remember water types having much of any ground-type coverage in GSC.

[@TheR0b1991]

The main difference is zapdos is immune to spikes, drill peck plus hidden power also gives it way more coverage than other electric types.@@Brown95P

[@dbf_exe]

@@Wandermidget The difference here is that Snorlax isn't egregiously unfun to play against like a lot of later-gen cases end up being, and Snorlax-less GSC tournament feedback suggests the tier is more fun with Snorlax than without it.

[@mitchlmitten5874]

I always liked Big Yellows analogy to the Medic from Team Fortress 2: he's overpowered and every team has to have one, but there's enough variety in how you can play him that it doesnt constrict the Meta. If you took him out, the game just wouldn't be as fun.

[@brunop.8745]

As a Medic player myself, I wholeheartedly agree

[@FlamingZelda3]

right, I'm very thankful medic is the strongest class, because it's a class which still needs someone else to come and actually secure the kills for them & they don't wall out the opponent. Now if sniper or demoman were the strongest class.... let's just say the game might not be as popular. In smash bros melee we like that Fox is the strongest character. He can push others around but he also gets combod easily and allows other characters to show of their abilities. He doesn't shut things down.

[@eyecontrol4900]

actually Sniper is the most overpowered class in tf2, and is borderline broken.

[@陳嘉宇-y4q]

@@eyecontrol4900The bow variant

[@victory8928]

@@eyecontrol4900he is also the one Valve confirmed would be removed if they had to remove a class in TF 2 so yeah busted

[@funkymachine]

I love these more casual shorter bkc videos, I would love more of these

[@se44th]

bkc with a little bit more structure and friends to keep him somewhat on topic is a great combination

[@funkymachine]

bkc without the unmedicated adhd isn't real bkc /j@@se44th

[@IndexInvestingWithCole]

Really, I think these videos are horrible

[@funkymachine]

This channel is to give you the simplest yet most powerful way to grow your wealth. You can outperform almost every single investor in the world without picking any stocks or having to watch the stock market all day. Just focus on your life while your money works for you. Index investing has done to investing, what sliced bread has done to bread. And I rarely see people using unsliced bread!@@IndexInvestingWithCole

[@IschmarVI]

BKC shorts

[@krosshair450]

Snorlax is the glue that holds OU together lol

[@honjon666]

Bringing this history to the modern audience is a beautiful thing. This includes oldheads like me who had no idea competitive pokemon existed when I was a kid.

[@JamienautMark2]

From like 5-7 years old (Gen 2) I thought I was the only person on the planet that knew about Pokémon. Imagine my surprise.

[@12jswilson]

Also probably why someone like me dislikes the current tiering philosophy of "just ban everything that threatens balance." I believe in trying to punish every kill an opponent takes rather than just trying to never let anything faint. Knowing when and where to take KOs and allow them seems just at least as skillfull as having a bunch of balance backbones stare at each other all game long until someone finally makes a blunder out of boredom

[@marcoasturias8520]

All of this is relatively recent. Competitive in cartridge back in the day wasn't nearly as refined.

[@hollowlunerfang]

I'm loving the BKC rant + Kellen combo, It's a lot of fun

[@primrosevale1995]

So the cover legendaries are Snorlax without staying power and Celebi is Snorlax without immediate damage.

[@fartlord111]

Everythings a snorlax

[@VenoMantis]

Ledian is kind of like a Snorlax without anything

[@dasamont8274]

So the Snorlax-theory is a Dig-theory about pokemon rather than moves.

[@honjon666]

Snorlax love, snorlax life

[@88porpoise]

I think the key is to remember why tiering exists. It isn't so that no pokemon is overpowered or isn't used too much or anything else like thay. Tiering (and the various clauses) exists so that people have fun playing the game. Usually that coincides with removing the "have to have on your team" level pokemon, but in the much smaller pools of Gen I and II, that may not be the case.

[@3eve0n]

Yeah, imagine if gen 1's big three were banned from OU. I'm very doubtful that would be a better metagame.

[@Skullhawk13]

That’s perfectly fine too. Smogon having its own vote-based house rules is a positive thing. It only becomes a problem when they enforce it on others.

[@kilojuliet4]

I think it's important to note WHY the "have to have it on your team" thing is boring - because you dont want your meta game to always be the same 6-8 pokemon doing exactly the same thing all the time. Snorlax is SUPER versatile in this meta. Theres a minimum of 5 different sets this thing runs on smogon, with an addendum about how while those 5 are probably the best there's situations where you might build somethimg completely different and be successful with it based on what the team you want to use is. The wild thing is that each of those sets plays completely differently, requiring and enabling different teammates and forcing different kinds of counterplay. Sometimes you want to get snorlax in and keep it in, sometimes you want to switch in and out through a battle to meet certain threats for your sweepers, sometimes you want to keep him secret and safe while you blow away his checks so he can fuckin belly-drum sweep. You could almost count "snorlax" as like 3 or 4 different pokemon for the purposes of how it interacts with the metagame, which is very different from a zacian that just swaps in and hits one move 6 times to win the game (hyperbolic I know).

[@jupardo]

WHY SO MANY VIDS IN A ROW? I LOVE IT

[@joshuaharmon6684]

Its weird seeing a Tyranitar on Stadium that knows a rock attack other than Sandstorm

[@wigglytuffenjoyer]

I love these types of videos! These are so entertaining! I bet it’s also easy to just focus on one generation specifically instead of a marathon through the generations I’ll suggest it again, I’d love to see an analysis on how Clefable went from unviable to obnoxious in gen 4 OU

[@kingarthur3236]

2 words, Magic Guard. (Knock off helped too) Clefable with Magic Guard is definetely viable in Gen 3 imo, imunity to passive damage is insane.

[@wigglytuffenjoyer]

⁠@@kingarthur3236it doesn’t have magic guard in Gen 3, that wasn’t until Gen 4

[@kingarthur3236]

@@wigglytuffenjoyer You asked why Clefable was viable in gen 4 I answered with magic guard, as it's what makes Clefable good I then finish my statement by arguing that Clefable with magic guard would also be viable in gen 3, thus it is the main difference that makes it viable in gen 4

[@ImportAustralia]

I like explanations like these a lot better than “the pros dont wanna do it because its weird and uncomfy lol”

[@thatssocyrillo]

And then you have ariados that somehow had the smallest niche in Ubers in gen 4

[@grunkleg.2934]

Nahh, it's still very very bad

[@thatssocyrillo]

@@grunkleg.2934 that’s why it’s surprising it had even a minuscule niche

[@grunkleg.2934]

​@@thatssocyrillo No like the notion it even has a niche at all isn't true

[@thatssocyrillo]

@@grunkleg.2934 as I quote from a false swipe gaming video, “ariados made sure deoxys speed was limited to only one layer of spikes with moves like bug bite or shadow sneak while still maintaining its focus sash” So yeah, the fact that it could counter the best lead in the game decently enough it had a niche Edit: oh yeah and toxic spikes too

[@codacheetah]

​@@thatssocyrilloIt has one singular purpose that it's sometimes good at, but I wouldn't even feel generous enough to call it a niche because Ariados is absolutely irredeemable if the stars don't align for it to fill its purpose. Like if you're absolutely terrified of Deoxys-S you MIGHT consider running Ariados, but it's still 1000x times better to just run a slightly worse counter that doesn't get ground into dust by every other Pokémon in the tier

[@ethandaniel7929]

The fact that Snorlax absolutely throttled the gsc OU tier just by doing what did it did best, will never stop amusing me.

[@sonic5993]

Imagine if the GSC OU mindset was still around today, so many busted mons would be running rampant.

[@DarkAuraLord]

even without they still are lmfao.

[@silvergalaxia8538]

Free my man chien-pao 📣📣📣

[@coot33]

I mean there so much bans now you can make a ou+ tier under uber. The mentality is so different. It lacks purity.

[@solidifiedwatergatherer]

I think whatever gets banned or not in a competitive game is really up to whether or not the players find that threat fun to deal with or not. If the majority of gen 2 players don't want lax banned I don't think anyone else should throw their 2 cents into it

[@WildCharger]

Debates and conflicting viewpoints are important for growth. It's the reason why a gen's meta can change many years after the gen becomes legacy. So to say that the minority shouldn't be able to input their two cents is not really the way to go; it only becomes a problem if someone starts being a jerk about it.

[@solidifiedwatergatherer]

@@WildCharger What I mean is that people who don't play the game shouldn't throw in their 2 cents. Should've worded it better my bad.

[@marcoasturias8520]

Mostly because nowadays it feels like we get a new water type nuke every week

[@ultimapower6950]

@@marcoasturias8520 well we could just nerf the water type itself

[@toujounozomi3126]

See: the reason why Imposter remains unbanned in competitive hacked Pokemon. (While ironically, Transform in move form is banned, due to it primarily being used for degenerate strategies like anchor shot+imprison+transform) In fact it plays a similar role: versatile (in the sense of how it plays after transforming, even if its pre-transform movepool doesn't see much use), exists to prevent overcentralization, and adds healthy variety. Most other formats don't worry about Dittos as much, but here "countering your own sets" is practically mandatory and spawned several sets designed to counter a transformed version of itself. (unburden, judgement/multi-attack and the niche techno blast...)

[@MidWestWolf1985]

Its hard to describe to new players just how intrinsic snorlax is to gsc ou. Its almost taken for granted that it will be on every team, just like we take the sun rising every day for granted. It gets to a point where if someone DOESNT run snorlax on a gen 2 ou team you have a visceral reaction like “oh my god are you okay?? Do you need someone to talk to?”

[@tktyga77]

I guess it's safe to say that Snorlax is to GSC akin to what Tauros is to RGBY in terms of how much it defines the generational metagame

[@skyfoil]

In short, Snorlax checks EVERYTHING, but (almost) everything can check it with the right set. It's the glue holding the entire metagame together.

[@dirkechoes1377]

Honestly this is a really fresh take. I'll take Lax+5 over stall wars anyday

[@IschmarVI]

especially considering that even offense vs. offense can result in relatively long games sometimes in gsc because everything is so bulky. Stall vs. Stall is a nightmare.

[@PabloGarcia-gw1np]

Im really living this style 😊 Love having the bkc streams of consciousness in a shorter format with some edited visual elements

[@ZorotheGallade]

Ho-oh and Lugia really show how bulk and longevity aren't necessarily tied together. You can have huge defensive stats, good typing and Leftovers, but they won't amount to much if your ability to stay in and attack is limited by low maximum PP.

[@tomaseredia8046]

You guys should do a weekly Pokémon podcast, I’d listen to that all day!

[@Stroggoii]

GSC is a perfect example of why you should never sacrifice quality at the altar of diversity. Lax+5 is arguably the most complex and interesting meta in the entire history of competitive Pokemon. The people bored of it would just get bored of any other team configuration because they don't actually like the core game play of GSC. And to appease them for a couple months before they quit and go do something else you need to destroy an institution of competitive Pokemon? I'm glad the old guard didn't listen.

[@corvidae28321]

I mean gsc is one of the least played formats on all of showdown, so I guess they did all just leave

[@calebmon]

I honestly think it would be fascinating to approach gen 2 with a modern smogon mindset of, basically ban everything OP, maybe the meta would be more fast paced without Lax and some other broken mons as well as move bans, like a ban on Rest or a ban on hidden power, or item bans like a ban on leftovers etc. Basically get creative with what can be possible with smogon bans

[@eljuan3922]

Gen 2 snorlax is like a queen in Chess

[@arthurfilion5992]

Without a doubt the best piece on the board but once it’s taken out it’s difficult to win without one? Yeah that sounds like GSC Snorlax alright.

[@noukan42]

Chess doesn't allow you to pick pieces tho. Comparing a game with building to a gane whitout it makes little sense. If chess allowed to make boards the queen would probably be a big problem.

[@SnarkyRogue]

Man the tonal shift/energy drop from these vids vs the How Good Was videos is SUPER jarring

[@gameking647]

I'm loving the bkc shorts

[@honjon666]

They're comfy and easy to wear!

[@brandonbaxley25]

I love these random topic videos. Keep them up.

[@BrooksMWhalen]

I'm so happy you two are doing these videos together. I alternate between y'all's content constantly

[@Drakorre]

I love how overpowered Snorlax was. A fat lazy cat bear being so good is awesome

[@jaleelhull941]

A fat lazy bear is still a bear

[@ChrisPTY507]

It is a bear, not a "cat bear"

[@bryanc1772]

@@ChrisPTY507hi Chris :)

[@ChrisPTY507]

@@bryanc1772 Hey Bryan! How are you doing?

[@supermudkipz]

I like how Big Yellow compared Snorlax in Gen 2 to the Medic in TF2, yeah sure they’re probably overpowered, but would the game be better off without them? No, not even a little bit

[@solstia458]

Love this style of video a lot, feels personal

[@eruptionsvods]

Gonna be honest i love these vids just to listen to yall talk, if yall make longer vids im here

[@joshuawilliams4741]

Snorlax: *I sleep* Everyone else: “THAT’S WHY HE’S THE GOAT!!! THE GOAT!!!”

[@steelballrunner636]

I love listening to BKC gen 2 rants. It's like listening to your grandpa talk about what it was like in his day.

[@wish_cave]

2:28 choice band roar charizard LMFAO

[@siddhartacrowley8759]

Gyarados moveset is also sus 💀

[@Matpit18]

Snorlax is the only thing holding competitive GSC in place

[@borby4584]

Snorlax is the keystone to the meta. No Snorlax and it falls apart

[@meiyagii]

Really liking these daily videos. The conversational sort of structure and vibe is really good. Gives me the same vibe as like, a podcast. Easy listening. Looking forward to future installments!

[@kindlady2297]

BKC tangents so crazy i forgot kellen was there and got scared when he finally got a word in after like 5 minutes

[@SaberToothPortilla]

In games that have a team structure, i.e. Pokémon, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with having an "instant add" like Snorlax as long as the whole team doesn't become "instant add" or it overly centralizes a specific play pattern. And I guess it'd be pretty easy to make the opposite argument, but I think that "always Snorlax" is much less bad (if it's bad at all) than "always sand" or "always offense" or "always stall", specifically because Snorlax is only one piece.

[@emmetstanevich2121]

I feel like snorlax's dominance is also somewhat due to a lack of competition. In a meta like GSC OU, you need a special wall, and snorlax is pretty much the only good one that doesn't require you to slam the breaks in order to use it (like blissey.)

[@Falzyker]

So it all comes to Snorlax is the Pillar that holds the meta together.

[@TheMegaMagikarp]

There's one thing not mentioned here - precedent. There's an old Magic: The Gathering format called Legacy, basically all the oldest cards are allowed in the game and there's a lot that's in that format that's powerful, and while a lot of people argue the card Brainstorm being banned would make the format a lot better, there's, if nothing else, an iconicness to Brainstorm in Legacy that is part of why it doesn't get banned.

[@lloydbagby8355]

Yugioh has this in goat with pot charity duo yes you need to play them but in a slow format most time there not that over powered especially charity with out much graveyard stuff

[@asuuki2048]

3:31 I absolutely love it. People not screaming to ban a Pokémon when they lose to it once. Hence why I sometimes play on my Switch. I love beating a boxart with a favorite of mine via skill. Not that I’m very skilled, but I do love to overcome it. There are exceptions to all of this, such as with certain objectively overpowered legendaries, but I still love the mentality those people had before the normies joined in lol

[@Adskie]

Love these casual discussion videos along with the deep dives. Great works

[@mikael.00]

it would be cool to see a video that talks about the best pokémon in each OU of every gen

[@silvergalaxia8538]

The first 4 gens have a definitive number 1 but after that it gets more messy. Like you could argue that any of dragapult, lando-t, weavile, or melmetal are the best in gen 8 for example.

[@Tvboy777]

For those wondering, it's: Gen 1 - Tauros Gen 2 - Snorlax Gen 3 - Tyranitar Gen 4 - Garchomp

[@ramseslopez9521]

@@Tvboy777 gen 4 is rachi

[@thefinalskarm1754]

3:40 this sort of mentality is why baton pass wasn't banned, because you were deemed skilless (wasn't there those days, just BKC videos knowledge) for creating uninteresting games and borderline non games with heavy baton pass chains, though this would come more the GEN3 days and if you look at how hard they've had to address certain pokemon to keep Just baton pass in the tier for pivoting, it shows. However in todays day and age, everyone's a degen, so that's why Baton Pass needed to go to remove said completely broken option (still crazy that GF made z-eevee with batonpass).

[@sparktaylor8489]

I hope gen 10 gives Snorlax a big buff

[@davidunderwood1773]

It NEEDS Slack Off

[@mandalorianhunter1]

We don't even know what it's move set looks like for gen 9

[@warburner87]

if zacian is allowed to have howl as a switch in ability, i think snorlax should get an ability that has it use curse on switch in. curse and snorlax is like peanut butter and jelly, they just go together. also give it slack off lol

[@590488]

​@warburner87 that's the most broken thing I've ever heard of

[@Reliztik82]

@@590488yeah no, 165 base atk and 87.5 base def and a speed stat that is even lower than Torkoal? That would be BUSTED in VGC.

[@goragarx]

I think GSC would be more drastically changed by a Leftovers ban than a Snorlax ban.

[@avenger4027]

It would be pretty much a no-items meta, lol. Unless it's Thick Club Marowak.

[@grantdaily9662]

The GSC OU tier would probably fall to pieces if Snorlax was banished to Ubers

[@Captaintrippz]

Start with one ban, then you gotta keep banning everything lax kept in check.

[@MrZahsome]

Zapdos and Raikou would become the new Snorlax.

[@grantdaily9662]

@@MrZahsome not really, they'd crumble to the Offensive teams they'd have to deal with in the wake of a Snorlax ban. Like they're bulky, but just not bulky enough to give the GSC OU a pretty balanced mesh of Offence/Defence

[@Maaarrrrk]

​@@grantdaily9662Nah Zap and Raikou always will be tanks but that's when Water types are getting buffed at the same time as Ground types

[@AnimeGames16]

Here’s an idea for a series: a comprehensive history for every metagame and how they evolved over the years. One video for each metagame of course.

[@mr.gamertristan5463]

Totally loving this new series! Hopefully it'll be able to stay a daily series!

[@emmetstanevich2121]

The way gen 2 snorlax is described, it sort of reminds me of a "hero" unit in an RTS. While it is powerful, adaptable and generally "better" than any other single pokemon in the meta, it isn't iron-clad, and other pokemon can potentially answer it even better than snorlax itself can, once its set has been revealed. In addition, snorlax's uniqueness and flexibility winds up organically creating an environment similar to VGC's restricted seasons, where players are allowed to bring a limited number of "restricted" pokemon, with the main difference being that the limit is 1, and all the options for that one slot have the same type and base stats. The fact that it's so flexible, and is usable on any team, also means that it is, in a way, fairer than a meta where there are dozens of powerful, but more restrictive pokemon running around, since no matter what playstyle you want to play, and no matter what pokemon you want to bring, you can *always* bring snorlax, it will *always* make your team better, and you will *never* be in a position where you're forced to go without snorlax because you just can't fit it on the team. Another point in Snorlax's favor is the fact that it also helps its team defensively. Most "broken" pokemon tend to be banned due to their offensive potential, and either don't have much bulk, or their bulk mainly acts to foil attempts to prevent their sweep (think yache berry garchomp in gen 4, for example.) In addition to being able to wall many special attacks without needing to give up momentum, snorlax's inability to immediately threaten itself without selfdestruct means that your own snorlax can help you play around an opposing snorlax. Even if your 'lax can't beat theirs in a 1v1, the moves you see them use can help deduce what sets they might be running, and which of your own pokemon can best handle it. Finally, there's also the fact that snorlax is, well, really slow. It can usually take whatever it's hit with and respond in kind, but the fact that the opponent will almost always be moving first means that snorlax will have to play carefully when it gets low on health, as a 'lax in KO range can't get itself out of KO range before getting hit. Additionally, an opponent at low health will usually be able to use rest or recover before snorlax can hit them.

[@emmetstanevich2121]

Also, I feel like people who want snorlax or lando-t banned due to how common they are forget what "OU" stands for in the first place: overused. It's explicitly meant to be the ceiling for usage-based tiering.

[@do-nothingbear9474]

Big yellow I think had the pest comparison for those who play tf2. Medic is by far the best class in the game. A team with a good medic wins like 99% of the time against a team without one. But if you remove medic, you lose out on the fast paced firefights that the game is designed around. Defense would have very little counter play and everyone would be forced to camp medpacks and dispensers.

[@CollieDaze]

I went in expecting a classic FSG discussion vid but got a BKC rant 💀

[@ultrajoey3478]

Glad it finally uploaded right! KZbin is a pain when it comes to setting up a video

[@Ob1tuber]

Normal FSG videos: really good art for thumbnail that looks hand drawn This one: - _____ -

[@earlsaverson5387]

This thumbnail has got to be the best Snorlax face. *chef's kiss*

[@ashharkausar413]

Gen 2 is a beautiful era. Searching for the needle in the haystack to beat your opponent. Games were slow like classical chess.

[@IschmarVI]

they were slow but not passive. Definitely a fascinating meta, indeed.

[@feartheoldblood7222]

I don't know why FSG is in my feed almost everyday now but I don't want it to change.

[@Ronald_Ruck]

3:19 Oh my god, I remember that simulator! Back in around 2002 that is were I gathered my first experience with competitive Pokémon! Well, the very first was actually with mIRC, but that was all text and therefore a bit more complicated. Anyways, thanks for the memories!

[@Skylark0000]

Petition to name these BKC Bits considering they’re shorts by his standard.

[@mirchiamemeina1524]

I love these short discussions so much! All these things a casual observer of competitive simply wouldn’t know about.

[@Sleepingfishie]

Snorlax is really the keystone holding OU together

[@armorbearer9702]

I get it. When you take away a Pokémon from a tier, the Pokémon it checks run rampant.

[@archlorddestin]

So what made Snorlax go from pretty good in RBY to the best pokemon in GSC?

[@geenkaas6380]

The introduction of special defence

[@LunarWingCloud]

​@shorelinefishing9213EVs were the same in Gen 1 and 2. You can still max all stats.

[@sheeplol2161]

theres also the fact that the other 2 top mons got nerfed

[@mastanvx]

Sleep Talk and Curse. Gen 2 didn't have EVs, but rather Stat Experience, and you could max out the Stat Exp of every stat. Its why Gen 2 as a whole was a very bulky meta game, everything ran max defenses and HP unless they needed a specific Hidden Power Type

[@LunarWingCloud]

Special stat split granting Snorlax 110 base Special Defense, Curse being really good in a slower game due to all stats being maxed still in Gen 2 like in Gen 1, lack of good Fighting types that could counter it.

[@xcheesyxbaconx]

Those Pokemon netbattle clips really bring me back

[@terminusest9179]

Snorlax is so strong, you can't even ban it.

[@theannilators7479]

It’s almost like Mandibuzz in Gen 8 pre dlc, it’s just desperately holding everything together

[@bkebradley]

I love hearing BKC talk to someone and not just lecture solo like he does on his own channel

[@Javiilin]

I visibly pogged when I heard BKC’s voice lets go!

[@gravity_cow]

I haven't played any Gen 2, but I have learned of GSC OU's Snorlax dynamics through this channel, Big Yellow, and various Smogon Posts. That being said, some of this may be misinformation: I feel like another important part of why Snorlax isn't banned is that it can do everything, but NOT all at once. It has no counters when the opponent doesn't know its set, but once they do, it's not too unreasonable to exploit the Snorlax. On paper, it's an obscenely strong, all-powerful juggernaut reminiscent of Gen 1 Mewtwo, but thanks to four move slot syndrome, in practice it ends up being more like bringing a custom pokemon to the battle.

[@watery2211]

The only counterpoint I have is that this is kind of a dumb argument by itself. Every pokemon has a counter, every strategy has a counter if specific enough, yet we don't not ban stuff because it has counters. Also same thing could be said about gen 1 mewtwo. It has 4 moveslot syndrome and can't beat everything in the tier with 4 move slots, and if you know the move set, it could be exploited. (ofc I'm not saying GSC lax=Gen 1 mewtwo, when the whole tier is about beating you, you aren't that broken).

[@Silvalfo]

the netbattle recordings took me back, oh my god

[@MisterJackTheAttack]

Snorlax or stall hell? Interesting take.

[@funkymachine]

I always loved to simplify it as "like a queen in chess"

[@lordinfernape4753]

I still would like to see what GSC metagames would look like with modern tiering systems, not because I think they would be better, its just for the sake of pure curiosity. Aight, Snorlax would get banned and Zapdos too, whats next? I wanna know, Its like on of those 10 things you have to see before you die (not literally but its a way to phrase or describe it lets say) We already have RBY tradebacks, why cant we have a "modern tiering" GSC? It would be a cool experiment

[@emmetstanevich2121]

A lot of special attackers would probably need to get banned if you don't want the tier to shift to hard stall. The thing about snorlax's usage rate isn't just due to it being so much better than its competition, but rather, that there isn't much competition in the first place as a special wall. Raikou is weak to EQ and is itself a special attacker, blissey is... well, blissey, and there don't seem to be many other candidates able to step up to the task. Snorlax is unique in that it's a special wall that also takes physical attacks well, while also not requiring you to slam the breaks in order to use it. In fact, its sheer versatility gives its status as a "meta check" more weight, since every team can run snorlax, which is arguably more "fair" than a pokemon that only a select few team archetypes can make use of.

[@lordinfernape4753]

@@emmetstanevich2121 Hard stall isnt bad I mean the only purpose of tiering is making the metagame balanced, if the metagame is balanced it doesnt matter if its pure stall or pure offense, what matters is that everything is reasonable to answer thats it

[@_roburpo]

man I fuckin love BKC so nice to hear his prophetic preachings on FSG

[@paolotrevisanato9028]

The metaverse of old smogon formats is something we know so little about. (Semi-quote) This videos are a really interesting peek into it. Also snorlax n1 in ubers it’s just too funny!

[@ねっさのだいちScorchingSands]

投稿ありがとうございます。次はノココッチ系統やガチグマ系統楽しみです。

[@marceloasensiofilho3833]

This video and the other most recent one seem to have taken a huge dip in audio quality

[@grantdaily9662]

It's more than likely due to these being more casual vids rather than the deep dives

[@randomperson4137]

These videos seem to be more experimental and less scripted as they include BKC who writes many of the scripts for this channel so he most likely just testing the waters to see if these lower effort videos are something that can be used to fill the gap on between the longer ones

[@funkymachine]

Bkc has a fucking awful microphone lol it's kinda funny, he writes nearly every video (the singles part)

[@marceloasensiofilho3833]

@@randomperson4137 personally I hope those videos do not become the norm

[@hirasawatro5937]

Loving the edited BKC

[@Rumcake256]

Whoa that was super cool. I loved this

[@CaptainJLinebeck]

Imagine toiling for years to create the Strongest Pokemon, only for all of your hard work to be outclassed by one of the laziest beings in existence.

[@josepharmstrong1788]

I have a new theorem, The Cresselia Theorem. It’s the antithesis to the Deoxys theorem in which great bulk and Trick Room will make up for a Pokémon’s lack of speed. Obviously there are better defensive users of Trick Room than Cresselia, as well as much better slow offense Pokémon. However, the theorem is named after Cresselia because it was introduced the same generation as Trick Room, and still remains a solid and reliable member of Trick Room teams.

[@ilovemalaysia]

Damn love this new form of content keep it up

[@squiddler7731]

Kinda reminds me why some of the meta weapons in splatoon were seen as pretty good to have as the meta. On paper one option being extremely dominant might not be a good thing, but if the reason it's dominant is because it can fill multiple roles well, then really what that does is open the door for other options on the team that wouldn't have a place there otherwise.

[@YesImJoeKing]

Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim, or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪

[@JustSimplyBrandon]

I’m still waiting for Why Priority Is Everything - The Ratata Theorem

[@RisingJericho]

I like to imagine this was all one big Discord call where BKC was talking to Kellen for hours about random formats

[@zachpro5475]

Fsg uploading daily videos

[@Epzilon12]

Snorlax feels like the Queen in chess to me in a lot of ways. It’s very strong, does almost anything a piece can do , but everyone knows it’s there so you need to protect it so it can take the opportunities to do it’s job.

[@IschmarVI]

Snorlax seems to be a bit more affordable than the queen though as evidenced by it having made great use of selfdestruct on certain sets. But I do like the analogy for sure. A term for the phenomenon that I really like is "suffering from success".

[@Epzilon12]

That's true. I do imagine there are times in good chess matches where sacrificing the queen is necessary (i'm not great at chess no bully). Yeah, Snorlax really does suffer from its own success for sure. @@IschmarVI

[@Madx2326]

Honestly this video was amazing

[@ShakerGER]

This "documentary" is a thing of beauty

[@robertmcdonough2990]

Celebi would be really hard to kill in OU. There are so many contengency plans in place for Snorlax, but Celebi could just do wonders. Not saying celebi is better, just my thoughts on why he cant get out of Ubers.

[@june9914]

These relaxed vids are so nice

[@MrZrbrownie]

Two days in a row?! Christmas came early.

[@1314Bn]

Come on we need this VIDEO!: HOW HELD ITEMS ARE CLOSE TO EVERYTHING, the leftovers theorem!!