Why the Doom Marine's RETURN is so Interesting - FooView

A look into how the Doom Marine from Doom 3 could return in the Next Doom game, and what makes his return so interesting for the series as a whole. There's also some conceptual stuff featured in here too!
Always remember that this is a concept, so if you think it should work a different way we should start a discussion and make something cool!
∎ Chapters ∎
0:00 Intro
0:36 Overview | (Doom Marine)
2:26 The Unreliable Narrator Theory
4:27 The New Timeline
5:21 Doom Games Going Forward
5:55 Endless Potential
6:28 Closer
∎ Socials ∎
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∎ Special Note ∎
"This is the start of the long awaited 'Two Slayers Arc' as I've decided to call it. It'll be a 4 video long running arc that will cover the future of Doom if ID Software decides to retcon Doom 3, and how that could affect the series going forward."
"I've been working on and off on this video arc for some time now, since about March of 2023, with the actual idea dating back to late 2021. Finally excited to share this with everyone and I would greatly appreciate any support in sharing this video, and the rest to follow to really make all the hard work put into this arc worth it's while."
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[@Ahhkiba]

The Doomslayer is from a different earth, so the multiverse is canon and is talked about in Eternal. Wouldn’t be too far-fetched that the Slayer and Marine cross paths and team up. It would be a cool coop experience.

[@dutch_asocialite]

They're from the same Earth, Doom 3 connects both the Nu-Doom and Classic Doom games.

[@jamesmikewheeler5075]

I recall in ancient gods part 1 Samuel survived do maybe he could make a return as the new threat

[@MrRukrio1]

i like to see the modded bits of the multiverse as like, and i know some of you will cringe at me for bringing this up, the dream bubbles from Homestuck. not 'directly canon' but they act as extra bits of fan-lore at best and overall ignorable at worst. like as badass as saying a dragon with a gun and spells ripping and tearing through hell is, i don't think Cygnus would work well with the actual doom lore, despite his badassery. also it means we have to acknowledge H-Doom and mods that are somehow even less tasteful than the literal porn mod.

[@Ahhkiba]

⁠​⁠@@dutch_asocialiteI should’ve clarified a bit better, the Doomslayer isn’t defending his Earth in Eternal, it’s a different one from his original. He saved his original earth, the eternal one is different because if a second hell invasion happened they would’ve been prepared since they were attacked before. It’s hinted at that after what happened in Doom64 and staying in hell, that’s how he ended up traveling throughout different dimensions and timelines. Hell isn’t a linear place it exists outside time and space.

[@dutch_asocialite]

​@@Ahhkiba I don't understand why you need to clarify, I understood you perfectly the first time round. All I was doing is outlining a reason for why you were wrong. Anyway, if Eternal was the second Hell invasion then they still wouldn't have been prepared, as the Doom 64 manual implies heavily that humanity preferred to forget Doom 2, using phrases like, "classified and sealed," even to a point that the monitoring instruments that registered the Demons' return were, "a long forgotten relay satellite barely executing." Either way, being prepared doesn't mean humanity would be able to win without *_YOUR_* help, as the Final Doom episodes show not least to mention humanity was still kicking without the Slayer's assistance, and Doom 3 fits well enough into Doom 4's timeline such that it would've served to inform humanity for the subsequent Hell Invasion regardless. Lot of good that did them... Besides, there's no evidence there's more than one Earth (I don't need to explain why cut voice lines don't count) especially since otherwise would mean there are multiples of Argent D'Nur, Argenta et al. If there are alternate Earths, where are the alternate Night Sentinels? Doom's multiverse just isn't the kind that allows alternate universes.

[@BaranZenon]

Didnt they say in Eternal that Hell by itself is beyond time and space or that Doom Slayer in Doom 2016 and Eternal isnt even fighting on his own Mars and Earth? As for the Doom Marine I would really like a... spin-off?... game about normal dudes from ARC fighting UAC and Demons on Earth before and during the events of Doom Eternal. Also, a fun fact - Doom Slayer has the Soulcube on his desk in his Doom Fortress.

[@FooSarr]

Yeah there's a lot of misleading information about Doom's lore and the point I tried to make in this video was that I wanted to tear that down and streamline it all into just 1 universe where things match up properly. A spin-off all about the Invasion of Earth would be cool though! Yeah, the Slayer has a soul cube in his Fortress but did you know they're also in the UAC's possession in Doom 2016 and there's more than 1?

[@Archon3960]

Maybe it's another Soul Cube. Or just most likely Id Software taking the piss. X)

[@Dr.PaiPai]

@@FooSarr I headcanon those soulcubes are copies of the original soulcube. Seeing as hell is said to connect to multiple dimensions, it isn't far fetched to say the soulcube after Doom 3 found itself in another world/universe as it traversed hell. More than one soulcubes says that copies were made as there was only one soulcube created by the martians in Doom 3. So if this soulcube went into another dimension and the UAC of a different universe found out, I can see them going like, "oh shit! This is a powerful weapon against the demons" let's make more of it. The copies of the soulcube implies

[@4iss.22]

Doom 3 is and always will be my favorite DOOM game but I also love the rest of the series as well and this just brought the biggest smile on my face. I absolutely love the storyline and ideas here!

[@FooSarr]

Aw that’s awesome man, here to make those Doom 3 fans proud! Glad to hear it :)

[@Sniff738]

I think the reason why people apply a multiverse into Doom is because it's a series whose setting was "always broken" since there were always retcons, contradictions, abstract assets being left for interpretations, obscure info people overlook, fan content treated as canon and so on. So in a way, 2016 or Eternal establishing a lore is more "out of field" since even MachineGames' Wolfensteins are seperate from previous games so even Old Blood cuts our RTCW. The same also goes for different art style changes, inconsistent designs and the different teams/studios in certain games. And the box art from D1 originally references co-op and how Doomguy was essentially a nameless blank slate. This also means Doomguy's relation to BJ is questionable because it mostly applies to obscure mobile games (Whereas BJ and Keen is established in an official Wolf 3D strategy guide) and MG Wolf having a different BJ (And again, strategy guide already giving BJ a wife and son which contradicts Anya and the twins) means that the Slayer doesn't meet his BJ in QC. But at least giving Doom a multiverse isn't clearly because of modern nerd stuff going on with Marvel etc. I think classic Doom's "date" was never specified other than the SNES manual which may be from different people from the actual id team. The "all Doom wads are canon" bit might be referring to a 2016 lore bit implying the Slayer travelled "through time and dimension" and most people took it to a different context, partially for the sake of memes like "lol HDoom" whereas a bigger Doom wad player would think of "traditional" stuff like Back to Saturn X. Because Doom mods are more likely to be defined by "genuine" gameplay mods/wads than meme mods, but it's also clear that modern Doom lore is made with a newer audience in mind. (Otherwise, older Doom fans might as well treat their mods as "their Doom universe" when you look at Realm667 assets and so on). Maybe a game journalist or r/Doom user would highlight "SIMPSONS AND ANIME ARE CANON IN DOOM" but a Doomworld boomer would look into Memento Mori and Complex Doom instead. Then there's how some Doom mods did certain concepts before the official games and people thinking 2016 copied Brutal Doom or whether or not id could technically use an idea from a mod because "only official things can be canon but not everything official is canon": Meaning that Romero's Sigil is less likely to be canon than the technically id owned Final Doom i suppose. One can also think of Hell being a weird dimension that "messes with reality so much, they even retcon themselves too hard". D3 being a horror game is how, for better or worse, some designs are more "experimental" and that's how you get the Bruiser with a TV screen for a mouth. Doom's Hell always had some sort of potential for experimental and people can even see that complement the horror aspect, variety and even complement the power fantasy Slayer part too. Because i can see someone think that certain designs/demon abilities/Hell props etc would end up as "decanonized even if they're so cool". I also recall that the cancelled D4 wasn't even really related to D3 which highlights a part of Doom itself not being consistent but also how risky that game was. To me, D3 was always a flawed game that "didn't respect itself very well" and i didn't like how later versions either barely fixed stuff, made worse changes or removed content. I think D3 deserves a proper re-release that acts like ant antithesis to BFG edition (Even if id had to collab with D3 modders) before a "remake".

[@FooSarr]

As this is purely conceptual and serves to extend the Doom 2016 & Eternal narrative I wanted to even further the simplicity the modern doom era introduced. Streamlining the experiences into one uniform timeline that is easy for anyone coming into the series or people who may not know the Doom lore to the fullest extent I believe is important moving forward with Doom. I am also not a big fan of any form of multiverse in entertainment as it usually serves the purpose of fixing lazy writing but, I can understand Doom's always been a little light on the story aspect since its inception so I don't fault the series on that front. With this in mind, I wanted to bring a grounding to my future 3 videos on this topic and set the base level understanding which I hope in time will help clear any further discrepancies. Doom will always be whatever ID Software and, to a lesser extent the fans wants it to be. Thus, this remains as a 'what if' scenario if the multiverses and timelines all converged into one streamlined one. Regardless, it'll be purely speculative and conceptual yet, I do appreciate you spending the time to lay the land so to speak. I can only really gather as much information on story related topics as the wiki or small discussion / videos will provide to me, so thank you.

[@Sniff738]

@@FooSarr I think why people dislike multiverses may be something to do with whether or not different versions of a thing matters or is optional. Like why people struggle with some comic books: "Where do i start" because there's like so many retellings of Spiderman or Batman and so on. I thought Doom could be seen an experimental series where recurring concepts are just played with. Maybe like how Looney Tunes doesn't really have a central lore and is just recurring characters being used for fun. Or how Twisted Metal has different variations and designs/tones of its racers. I also think Doom benefits from having a barely working lore because of how people get creative with interpretating the series and how this affects the series' longevity and legacy.

[@FooSarr]

I definitely have grown to dislike the multiverse concept over recent years however, as you mentioned there is a charm with how simple it can be. I think the 'issue' comes from Doom's multiple iterations over the years and 'reinventions' and the different interpretations developers had. Which is perfectly fine, Final Fantasy has returning themes from each game, yet the stories are never the same, nor are designs of returning characters and are all canonically different. There's definitely an issue however, when trying to condense story beats from any given multiverse into one coherent timeline, likely because it was never intended for that.

[@AresLeviathan]

Having two Doom slayers who went through literal hell would be amazing. I've loved Doom 3 and replayed it multiple times and feel you could have some interesting dialogue between the two silent types. Doom Guy could be the same Doom guy the community loves and Doom Marine could be a much more sullen type, considering his game was much more of a horror rather than an action shooter.

[@FooSarr]

My thoughts exactly, I hope to see something akin to this in the future!

[@Cringber167]

One concept I've had in mind for awhile, is The Doom Slayer going to the old UAC base, the one in Doom 3, and killing what remains in it, that'd be so cool

[@FooSarr]

Ah man that would be awesome, I hope the next game has something like that!

[@zorigtbaatar3442]

That’ll be like 30 mins gameplay time since we play as the slayer tho

[@Cringber167]

@@zorigtbaatar3442 Well, as like a mission

[@jackgrove4621]

i think Wolfenstein and doom take place in the same universe. Also doom does have a multiverse but there is only one hell making it a multiverse singularity. This is canon based off the lore from eternal.

[@dutch_asocialite]

Doom and Wolfenstein as a shared universe is a very old piece of obscure developer lore and the newer games tend to be quite ambiguous to it but there's nothing to be lost from it being canon so it may as well be. Though worthy to note is that the Machine Games Wolfenstein games might be apocryphal.

[@FooSarr]

Yeah they do, if I’m not mistaken there’s a running theory that states all ID Software games are linked to one universe. Doom does have a multiverse, but the primary goal of this concept was to make the series story, and lore more consistent and accessible by sticking to 1 universe and 1 timeline, rather than 13 for each haha. I’m not sure about that Hell lore though, it’s again, vauge about if it’s the same one or a different one to other games and since I got my information from the Fandom Wiki, and already have the dates wrong for the doom games I’d best not state any absolutes on that haha

[@mrsfoosarr9673]

renders look amazing!!

[@FooSarr]

Thank you!

[@soruwindx6419]

Two slayers? Demons: OH NO THERE'S TWO! :(

[@oranclarke2642]

I like to think the Marine would be Halos Rookie to Master Chief. The marine or engineer could be one of the Elite Guard basically a mini-doom slayer playing more like 2016 rather then eternal can glory kill, bunny hop etc. But wouldn't be as strong as the slayer with glory kills taking a bit longer and his aresenal would be purly UAC weapons minus the Cube and the Grabber. The grabber would be a grappling hook that allows the player to hook onto anything, enemies, the enivronment and grab fired projectiles and objects from the environment throwing it right back at enemies. Have it be a replacement or upgrade for the engineer utility launcher having those powers being more defensive with the grapple, energy shield and siphon grenades to keep himself alive. So the Marine / Engineer would be more mobile with a ton of crowd control and sustain abilities, but having a lower health pool means having to play more cautiously. He would get the same upgrades and level ups as the Slayer so no need to worry about that.

[@oranclarke2642]

Additionally i think for balancing his arsenal would be more or less identical to the slayer but would have the pistol from the beta or just have his old gat from three just supped up into a handcannon. And the Cube should be an ability built up by making glory kills and when you pull it out, the player needs to mark enemies cutting through basic zombies like butter having same effect as the chainsaw and getting stuck in larger enemies slowley sawing into them, dealing some nasty damage over time to a particularly pesky tyrant or baron.

[@FooSarr]

Funny you should mention this haha, I’ve got a video scheduled for the near future going over exactly this topic. But yeah absolutely, the Doom Marine should still be a force to be reckoned with, but not as powerful as the Slayer.

[@GottaDieFast]

I think marine would have to be his own game outside of the modern doom style maybe more akin to the original doom while only making cameos in modern

[@FooSarr]

That would be a perfect balance and probably what I would prefer too.

[@TheFalconlazer]

Would be interesting if the Doom 3 marine is from the universe in 2016 and Eternal. Maybe during 2016 he ended up in Hell and is currently causing his own chaos.

[@buckethatboy8719]

Last I knew, Eternal takes place in 2164. I'm new to the fanbase so I could be wrong, but that's the date I've seen thrown around most often. My theory is that Doom 3 takes place either before or after Doom 2016. It's plausible that the Doom Slayer and the Doom Marine could cross paths.

[@FooSarr]

Yeah, had that one pointed out to me a few times now ahaha. Bottom line, don't trust the Doom Fandom wiki.

[@pilchard7199]

God a doom 3 remake that follows the original doom 3 format would be amazing.

[@FooSarr]

Just imagine what they could do with modern lighting and graphics with the Doom IP now!!

[@Sniff738]

(Pre release comment) This reminds me that in my Doom-nerdo-666 drafts i had a post that was like "How a Doom 3 sequel could be made" which was an attempt to "fix/salvage" whatever can be taken from the cancelled Doom 4 and also include a logic of "be to Doom 3 what Eternal is to 2016". Because in a way, you can treat Doom 3 and 2016/Eternal as "opposite wings" from Doom. So there could be fun had with their potential opposite appeals if one were to think classic Doom is somewhere in the middle. I even thought of stuff like "ideas that could suit Doom but just not the Slayer games" or stuff in that vein.

[@FooSarr]

Oh nice, definitely a different route than I went for this video and it’s subsequent ones. Once this and it’s successor have released I’d love to hear what you think of the path I chose to tell a similar but different story about more or less the same concept.

[@dutch_asocialite]

What do you mean by a "notable issue," the timeline is extremely coherent when it comes to Doom. Only the Classic Doom games take place in the early 21st Century, with Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 being in 2022 according to the SNES manual and Final Doom in 2024, while Doom 64 is at an unknown date but likely before 2064 (and I have good reasons to believe so), whereas Doom 3 takes place in 2145, Doom RPG a year later and Doom 4 in 2149. There's no issue here. Furthermore, if the Doom Marine is to be reintroduced it's as simple as just bringing him back because all the games take place in the same universe. When it comes to Doom 3 and Doom 4, their timelines aren't mutually exclusive, the dates of Mars colonisation line up and based on the archaeological data in Doom 3 the Hero of the Ancient Martian Civilisation is clearly the Doom Slayer (his coffin was stated to be found and is possibly the one seen in Site 03, beside which is a tablet pastiching the original Doom cover of Doomguy fighting demons yet now holding the Soul Cube in his left hand, a tablet which is seen again in Argent D'Nur). Doom 3 even connects to the Classic Doom games, as Elliot Swann says in his dying words that demons had been to Earth once but, "lost it in the dawn of time," clearly referencing Doom 2. It's such smooth sailing you could play snooker on it. With all that being said, I don't see the value in it since Doom has traditionally been a solo power fantasy and even though most overstate the Doom Slayer's feats and capabilities he's still in another league entirely compared to the Doom Marine. There's some work to be done if it's going to run smoothly. Edit: Nevermind, I didn't watch the whole video. It's nice to see someone else that also endorses a singular timeline model, I find we're quite a rare breed. Now I don't agree with the unreliable narrator theory since Doom 3 onwards have been very clear in their information and honestly I disagree with your interpretation of the timeline placement, though it reminds me of when I tried to figure out the timeline and placed Doom 3 before the Classic Doom games, but it's always good seeing Doom content that's well-reasoned and back-up (even if erroneous) as opposed to just spouting old misconceptions.

[@FooSarr]

As someone who hasn’t beaten Doom 3 and only experienced the story through a few KZbin videos (alluded to this at the end of the video) and got 95% of my information from the Fandom Wiki, yes, there’s bound to be mistakes in this video as I’ve come to realise haha. Quite a number of people have pointed out now the timeline I was looking at wasn’t correct, nothing more I can do now except say sorry. That being said, I greatly appreciate your open mindedness and attention to detail in your comment. Since this is purely a concept, any feedback is appreciated, positive or constructive criticism. So thank you. The singular non multiverse timeline was my ultimate goal with this project, even if flawed in retrospect. I have a video coming out in the near future about how I believe a 2 Slayer dynamic could work from a story and gameplay sense so I’ll leave my reasoning for that, there. For the meantime though, think of it as the Slayer doing grand things like visiting different dimensions and the Marine being more local to one or two places sort of thing. The Slayer will always be the more powerful of the two, but perhaps the Marine can explore a different, undiscovered aspect of Doom?

[@dutch_asocialite]

@@FooSarr It's cool, when I started this lore gig all I had to go on was Doom 4 while the other 95% of my info was from the wiki; it works for a while, but then you notice how much of other people's opinions you're taking for granted and working on wonky logic so it really pays to get up in everything (Still not sure how you managed to misplace Doom 4 Doom Eternal in the 21st Century, though, the dating is pretty clear; although I suppose the only dates are in the Codex). But yeah, that does sound like a much neater idea. One trope I've liked is when a hero of a story is seen from a different perspective, thus contextualising his actions in a different light so that's the purpose such a system could serve, and the Doom Marine could go for a more grounded approach in his adventures. I am interested in some of your videos appearing in my sidebar, so maybe I'll stay tuned and see what's in store. Also, I would recommend you try doomwiki-dot-org as opposed to doom-dot-fandom-dot-com if you already aren't, since the former is better formatted, professional and on the whole cleaner.

[@FooSarr]

I’m only human after all haha, and yeah the Fandom wiki is ALWAYS the less favourable one in every aspect and every purpose, but I figured I could get away with it for this because ‘how could they be wrong, it’s just 1 story’ and then the multiverse can of worms got unleashed on me haha. Not sure what the video title will be but it’ll be about 2 Slayers in doom and very much follow Doomguy being the same as ever, and the Marine being more grounded and exploratory. Hope to see you again sometime!

[@Just__Garbage]

My head cannon for DOOM 3 was always like this, DOOM 1-64 takes place on a separate Earth, the Slayers home earth. 3-Eternal take place on a different earth. DOOM 3 takes place a good while before 2016 during a different demonic event before Hayden was even really that big a figure in the everyday activities of the Mars base. After this event was when the UAC started experimenting with Hell energy and artifacts. And this previous event would explain why in 2016 their are so many safety measures, "Demonic invasion in progress", ect.

[@Just__Garbage]

@@mattd339 I don't agree with that, what backstory did hell have in the OG games? I like how well the original games work within Eternal, because the original games hardly have a story. It is fairly obvious 2016 and Eternal are separate dimensions from DOOMGuys home Earth. Honestly Eternal doesn't really retcon anything from the OG games. However it does retcon stuff from 2016 and even itself. Although i just chalk it up to "Ancient truths discovered" type shit.

[@Just__Garbage]

@@mattd339 Yes before it became hell it was Jekkad, but it still became hell. The actual afterlife where people are tortured for eons to have their souls refined as argent. I think their maybe a clause some where that you only go to Hell if you are killed by Demons. But it's still hell, and it works fine with the OG games cannon because when DOOMguy was killed and went to hell, he was killed by demons. Actually Christianity as a whole in the DOOM universe is explained to be just a misunderstanding of the Maykrs and Urdak, probably they visited earth thousands of years ago.

[@Just__Garbage]

@@mattd339 As far as Cacodemons go, they had no lore in the old games. They were just Demons, in Eternal they don't retcon anything they just add onto what was a blank slate. Now for Revenants, that is true, they were reimagined as UAC experiments on soldiers. However this might just mean their are 2 Different kinds of Revenants, i mean they couldn't fly in DOOM 2. However when i think of the DOOM manuals i kind of just listen to the story beats as cannon, and then the rest of it can be filled out by the new DOOMS. I mean Remaro says that Heretic is connect to ROTT, which is Connected to Wolfenstein, which is connected to DOOM. That by extension would mean that the Hexan games are also part of DOOM lore. The 90s lore was a clusterfuck before Eternal.

[@Just__Garbage]

@@mattd339 The Icon in DOOM 2 once again as everything, has very little lore. Half the time he was considered to be Baphomet. He had no backstory so Eternal gave him one. As far as the killing thing goes, if you consider TNT and Plutonia cannon (which i do) then he comes back 2 more times, he's just sent back to hell. And even in Eternal he is shown to be damaged by conventional weaponry, you just need the Crucible to put him down for good.

[@Just__Garbage]

@@mattd339 I see, well then, Humanity is either fucking dumb for messing with Hell again. Or it has been a really, really long time.

[@mcelfy1006]

i`m glad i`m not the only guy who was thinking about this, it will be so great to see doom 3 marine (main campaign one), it`s ok if he is from different timeline or same timeline where doom slayer got transported to, marine being promoted to UAC general or something like this teaching marines how to rip and tear demons, obviously not as hard as one and only slayer himself, modify lost mission marine design to make doom 3 marine`s design more unique and different, maybe kinda infuse it with UAC marine armor a little from doom eternal, now people will get worried about slayer`s spot light being taken away but i don`t think that`s the case, i would like to play as doom 3 marine after so long as a different character from doom slayer, considering that hugo martin also said we can get female slayer (not doom girl like those fanarts, there is one character called crash who trained doom slayer before he was even a slayer), general valen (betrayer) also has potential to be one of the main characters, but then doom is at risk to become quake: doom edition, anyways i`m still exited if we see doom 3 marine return or not

[@FooSarr]

Awesome take on things, I think that would be really cool! The only worry I have with too many slayers is it may make the Doom Slayer seem weaker by comparison when he should be the ultimate powerhouse. Either way, anything that expands on the Doom universe is sweet!

[@mcelfy1006]

@@FooSarr from gameplay wise they might balance out their power level, it`s not like all of them are gonna have dash and blood punch like slayer does, i doubt blood punch will return for slayer in the next game and stick to more doom 2016 style gameplay, in story it is obvious that doom slayer will be stronger than them, if you noticed in eternal zombie is basically taller than doom slayer, altho doom slayer is lot bigger by canon (he is 6.8), he was shrunk for the sake of gameplay balance which is fine, my point is they will make all these ,,slayers`` be strong in their own ways, valen can have sentinel hammer (i would like to call it hellbreaker), slayer somehow getting back crucible, doom 3 marine has lot of ways to be different (just not add stamina and flashlight mechanic just to make him lore accurate), crash can have doom blade equivalent, there are so many ways

[@Sniff738]

This reminds me of an idea i had where the UAC would either try to study Sentinel tech or mimic it, so you'd have UAC equivalent to stuff like the equipment launcher, but maybe with subtle gameplay changes. Like the dash concept could even lead to a "Dash belt" like how double jump is related to some boots or something. Because Doom technically always had "variations" of things but in different themes like UAC having keycards and Hell having skull keys. And it also means a good way to "expand" settings is to create thematic variations under specific themes. I also thought of the UAC trying too hard to create Doomslayers and the Sentinel refusing to tell them exactly why the Slayer became that powerfull.

[@mcelfy1006]

@@Sniff738 i also wanted UAC to have some connection with sentinels, and i too had that idea of UAC creating slayer but they make a cyborg which gets corrupted by argent energy and doom 3 marine stays ,,doom slayer of uac”

[@Dr.PaiPai]

Imagine a slayer that's amped up with demonic energy or blood. Doom Marine when compared to Doom Slayer is pretty weak, so he needs to get a buff. I think it would be neat to see a Slayer that's buffed by Demonic blood/energy and uses it to kill demons. That would keep things interesting and help Doom Marine keep up with Doom slayer.

[@FooSarr]

Sounds like a good idea since I think the running theory goes that the Slayer lost the powers from the Divinity Machine so it’s entirely possible!

[@smelkus]

Could him being an unreliable narrator also explain why the demons in Doom 3 have a slightly different appearance to the other Doom games

[@FooSarr]

Sure that could be an element however, it’s already been established that the demons look different in each game because they are sort of ‘sub-species’ based in a different region of Hell. So imagine a frog right? Based on location and climate they’ll look drastically different. Same thing applies to demons and the area(s) that they are in. I’m really hoping the next Doom game has the Slayer going between areas so we can see those differences first hand.

[@smelkus]

@@FooSarr so sort of like how modern humans and neanderthals evolved to look similar but also have slight differences

[@FooSarr]

@smelkus yeah something like that. It’s more so based on regional differences and of course if the UAC gave them robotics or not.

[@johnnycruelty5195]

umm your wrong, doom 2016 is implied to take place in the 2100s or more, because in one of the log entries in 2016 (I think the jump boost boots) it says they were made in 2100s

[@FooSarr]

Mentioned this to another commenter, got my information from the Fandom Wiki and it looks to be incorrect. My apologies.

[@virus-2075]

You didnt finish Doom 3? Buddy. Do a live stream or finish it! Let us all see you do a gameplay on it and the finish the game.

[@TensileMasculinity]

if they do make the next room game a co-op with the slayer and the marine. They would have to make the slayer infinitely stronger than the marine to make it canonically make sense. Different story if it’s before the time of the sentinels and the divinity machine when the doomslayer was the doomguy

[@dutch_asocialite]

The Doom Slayer is not infinitely strong.

[@FooSarr]

Yeah I totally agree, even if they were both considered ’mortals’ without any other deus ex machina factors at play, the Doomguy / Doom Slayer should always be more powerful. But an important factor to keep in mind is after the Dark Lord falls, there’s a theory that the Slayers power from the divinity machine also vanished.

[@Archon3960]

I do believe that there is multiple universes based on dialogue from the Khan Makyr that was removed from Doom Eternal. So, you could see the Doom franchise as a multiverse, but anything not made by Id Software is not canon. So no mods, no Doom RPG, no Heretic/Hexen, no Quake, and no Wolfenstein games.

[@FooSarr]

Unfortunately the canon and lore of Doom is mostly relegated to interviews or ‘something (insert developer) said during a live stream’ which is annoying and leads to huge disconnects between player’s understanding of the story. Now as much as I wish you were correct in saying anything not made by ID Software isn’t canon, someone mentioned in an interview or livestream that they could be considered canon and now 60% of the community believes this to be true. Personally, I think it’s a load of crap. The story should be 100% told in-game and I shouldn’t have to watch an interview or livestream to figure out little tidbits of lore. But hey, I encourage you to look into it yourself. I got a headache and stopped pretty early on which lead to a lot of misconceptions in this video so I could be wrong.

[@Archon3960]

@@FooSarr I am a fan of Warhammer 40k, so Doom's lore is a refreshing break tbh. xD

[@FooSarr]

Could never get into Warhammer, too convoluted for me haha

[@Archon3960]

@@FooSarr Space Mushrooms London Football Hooligans (aka Orks) were a great idea though. What would even be the Doom equivalent? xD

[@FooSarr]

You described the Orks perfectly ahaha. Not sure what could relate with Doom but the Doom Hunter is straight out of the Necrons Faction.

[@OodldoodlNoodlesocks]

They shouldn't try to force it. Let it be what it is.

[@FooSarr]

I can absolutely respect that decision. Ultimately I’ve got no power of what ID Software decides to do, this is just a fan making a concept, and I’m sure we’ll love whatever they give us.

[@jamesmikewheeler5075]

Id actually like to see this

[@FooSarr]

Awesome, that brings a smile to my face :)

[@violet_steak3412]

Actually, Doom 2016 on takes place in another version of earth which is in the year 2149. Edit: DOOM Eternal Takes place 15 years after the events of 2016 so there is still actually a way for the Doom Marine to be reintroduced into DOOM and him and the Slayer could fight with eachother.

[@FooSarr]

Oh really? Where was this information when I needed it haha. I went off of the Fandom wiki for my info- probably should have mentioned that. I guess with that in mind, yeah, it can all still be canon with no issues. Too late now though I’ve made all the videos about this topic.

[@violet_steak3412]

@@FooSarr Nah, your fine. It's actually canon too that there is a DOOM multiverse.

[@FooSarr]

I just remember when I was doing the research it was giving me a headache so I cut it short at some point and said 'this is good enough'.

[@violet_steak3412]

@@FooSarr Ah, that makes sense. I probably would have a headache after so much research about a topic like this too. 😅😅

[@FooSarr]

@@violet_steak3412 yeah haha, I’m only human after all. If I make anything more on this topic later on I’ll mention your comment.

[@fullauto86]

I love this stuff.

[@FooSarr]

Awesome to hear :) it’s what I do on the channel!

[@fireboythestar3455]

Tbh i don't think it would work that well. It would probably be like superhero crossovers where its just done for fan service without actualy adding anything interesting. The marine was barely a character and he plays so much differently than the slayer that it would take 30 million asspulls to make him work and i'd rather have the marine have a "happy" ending where he was able to save his earth despite probably requiring decades of therapy and pills since unlike the slayer he wasn't specificaly designed by god.

[@FooSarr]

Haha, a whole game where the marine takes happy pills, love it. I’ve got a video scheduled the near future where I go into how I would handle a 2 Slayer dynamic so I’ll save my explanation for that. But in short, I’d have the Marine explore the unexplored elements about the Doom universe and through his perspective get players to see crucial elements that they never considered. While the Slayer does the super hero type of thing, like destroy Urdak or something, idk.

[@MoeMoeJoeJoe]

There is a Multiverse & it's been known for years now that Doom 3 isn't Canon to the other Doom Titles.

[@FooSarr]

It all depends who you ask. There’s deliberately no consistenties between the Doom games so it’s impossible to form a proper timeline, but I gave it go! A lot of people would just cut Doom 3 out of the picture entirely, there’s a very popular Doom video that explains the timeline as Doom Eternal explains it and they cut Doom 3 out and people were outraged. It all depends what perspective you look at the series, if you take Eternal’s depiction as the one true timeline or allow yourself the blessing of the headache that is trying to fit Doom 3 and all the split timelines and multiverses into 1 consistent story.

[@OneShotStudioOfficial]

People saying that every game that was made using Doom engine are the same timeline. WHAT ABOUT THE SONIC GAME ?!

[@FooSarr]

Haha, we don’t talk about it!!

[@juancr4713]

@@FooSarr why? Sonic robo blast is a bad game?

[@FooSarr]

Yeah, that’s why we don’t talk about it. The Sonic Robo Blast 2 game looks cool though.

[@TeaBags0614]

I really like the concept but isn’t the Earth that DooM, DooM II and DooM 64 a completely different universe from DOOM (2016) and DOOM: Eternal?

[@FooSarr]

Yeah, as many people have pointed out, I got the year dates wrong. Don’t trust the Fandom Wiki for your information is the bottom line aha.

[@TeaBags0614]

@@FooSarr ahhhh well makes sense! I still think there is a way it could happen- maybe DOOM 3’s Marine comes from his universe to help the Slayer in some kind of way? I’d love to see it

[@FooSarr]

Yeah I think that’s the more likely case haha. Some sort of dimensional rift bringing them together.

[@mrsfoosarr9673]

also they should hire you as the ideas man :)

[@FooSarr]

I don't think that's a job title but thank you!

[@mrsfoosarr9673]

@@FooSarr they should make it a job title 😤

[@FooSarr]

Maybe they should haha

[@duderitoz6953]

Theres 3 mfs from doom 3 dont forget it would really jump the shark having 4 badass mfs running around & cheapen the slayer

[@FooSarr]

Yeah there is isn’t there, I’m primarily talking about the first marine you play as in Doom 3, not so much the others as they’re ‘just marines’. Even with 2 Slayers you’d run into power scaling issues. So my fix is simple, just have the Slayer be powerful and the Marine be strong but explore other aspects of the doom universe.

[@mauriciolizarbe4835]

I hope it gonna be sequel of doom eternal P.s. only 1, not 2

[@PhoenixBird9000]

Doomenstein: Youngblood.

[@FooSarr]

Ehh, that makes me uncomfortable thinking about haha

[@PhoenixBird9000]

@@FooSarr The Doomguy is supposed to be B.J. Blazkowicz's grandson according to some lore, so technically this would be true.

[@FooSarr]

Yeah it would be true, I just didn't like Youngblood haha

[@Funfax7396]

ID funny´s timeline, Doom 64 2020, Rage 1 2135, Doom 3 2145, Doom 2149, Doom Eternal 2163, Rage 2 2165,

[@FooSarr]

Whaaaat?? Is Rage considered cannon in the Doom universe?!

[@Funfax7396]

@@FooSarr I think only easter eggs

[@binaryghosts5131]

I think John Romero (one of the principal guys behind the creation of DOOM) once said that every DOOM WAD is cannon.

[@dutch_asocialite]

I do believe he said that every WAD is canon "in their own universe" basically implying a multiverse before illiterate Doom fans tried to rationalise it. Worthy to note is that he was mostly joking when he said this, partly humouring the fans who wanted more story or continuity out of the games. That said, I do believe it's possible for some Doom WADs to be canon, specifically the ones with dates in TXT files that explicitly link to the original games like Memento Mori, Going Down and Icarus: Alien Vanguard (it actually references the Doom novels by citing Flynn Taggart, but I don't think this is too big an issue), while anything else is after Doom 64 but before Doom 4.

[@FooSarr]

Both statements hold merit, interviews with Hugo have conflicting information with John so the Doom series is intentionally left unclear and a little muddied, hence the concept about a uniformed single timeline.

[@grandpabegaming]

DoomGirl when

[@FooSarr]

Ask ID Software, idk.

[@Safarichromosomeslol]

I swear to God, i would be the happiest person in the world to witness his return. However the overall possibility is near to zero. Doom 3 is still treated like a second hand embrassment by fans and id itself. It seems like they wanna have it ignored/forgotten for the sake of the main storyline (aka that can be milked) But i would love to have them prove me wrong. But i need it

[@FooSarr]

Yeah unfortunately Doom 3 is seen that way. While I have my differences with the gameplay I still think it’s an awesome game. Regardless, I’ve laid down the ground rules for the Marine to return, just a matter of waiting to see how popular this concept / video becomes before it gets into mainstream eyes I guess. Until then, keep praying haha!

[@KazeMunashii]

you're a funny guy. even if you could convince me it's two different people, having them in the same game wouldn't work. it's like sticking the ODST game marine in with master chiefs EXTREMLY HAZARDOUS adventures. he'd get killed off in the first couple of chapters, simply because he's just not powerful or defensive enough to go through what a super soldier can. basically doom marine is a version of doom guy that can really only work best in a slower paced horror setting, which 3 is. so basically you'd have to create a tiny-bit faster paced alien isolation like game, but with a few more enemies that are able to be killed instead of hiding from.

[@FooSarr]

Glad you think I’m funny :) You do make a good point about how the power scaling doesn’t match, however I don’t think the perspective you currently have is what I’m envisioning. Having the two work together would be awesome, but like you said, the Slayer is always going to be more powerful than the Marine, he’s just a marine after all. So, split them up. Get the Marine doing something else, something local to one planet, explore that, delve into story elements with it, have action of course, but action that correlates to the Marines skills, not the Slayers. Meanwhile the Slayer can go off and kill gods n stuff haha. That way the balance is kept.

[@KazeMunashii]

@@FooSarr i'd love to be optimistic, but i've been around since the floppy discs, and i just dont see it working boss.

[@FooSarr]

I can see it working, but hey you could be right. It's just a concept after all and should be taken as a 'what if' like children do with sticks in their backyard. Nothing more than make believe. I appreciate you taking the time to comment and watch the video though, even if you disagree it's good to see an alternative perspective to my own, it keeps me grounded.

[@Necro-s]

Nah, doom 2016/eternal takes place AT LEAST in the 22nd century

[@FooSarr]

Yeah, got my information from the Fandom Wiki and probably some old Doomworld posts too, I’ve been mislead :(

[@zepy6259]

There the same person

[@FooSarr]

The Doom Marine is one of many, in Doom 3 you see quite a few Doom Marines and in each campaign you play as a different Marine. I use this word lightly because the Doom continuity is intentionally vague but 'canonically' Doomguy and Doom Marine aren't the same person.

[@Dr.PaiPai]

Here from Reddit.

[@FooSarr]

Oh sweet, I made it to Reddit?

[@Dr.PaiPai]

@@FooSarr someone posted your video in the doom subreddit.

[@FooSarr]

Yeah I went looking for it haha

[@andrewblack2596]

They are the same character. Play doom eternal

[@johannesrubergmortensen2022]

no

[@FooSarr]

Alright, thanks.

[@pocketplayer33]

Doom 3 isn't canon.

[@FooSarr]

That depends who you ask. Doom is very vauge with what it considers canon and not canon unfortunately, since there’s something crazy like 13 multiverses and 7 timelines that all have some form of ‘canon’ there’s no definitive answer if something is or isn’t canon, hence my want to streamline the Doom Timeline in this video.

[@HALFDEAD66]

I want this to be a thing So Fuckin Bad, hell this opens the doors to Quake!

[@FooSarr]

Right? It’s such an open ended and awesome way to open Doom up to be expanded upon. Hope to see where the Next Doom game takes us!

[@HALFDEAD66]

​@@FooSarrI just played Quake with my mates kid, and had a realisation with how things are. This is what I caught on to: Unknown company is trying to open up slip gates to try and bring something though.. bad news it worked and now We're sent in to clean up and Use the slip gates to clear out and stop these forces!... It's so easy to see this 'Unknown company' as the UAC! Being miss lead again. Also my profile pic is something we laughed as for like an hour straight once we realized what we looked like when invis

[@HALFDEAD66]

Also my pic on Xbox because why not

[@FooSarr]

Oh really? That is really interesting. I’ve yet to play Quake properly, I’ve given it a go but never too far in. Definitely on my bucket list- Quake Champions and to a lesser extent Quake 3 are the ones I spent the most time with. That is really interesting though, could serve as a good crossover event for Doom and Quake which I think everyone would enjoy!

[@HALFDEAD66]

@@FooSarr Quake 1 is...odd, been looking in to its history for the last month now and terms out it's the Bough place of everything we have today. Online gaming, speed runs, and so much more but what took me back and surprised me was the feel of Quake. Going from Doom to Quake was jarring, I expected frashing metal solos and chaos but what I found was loneliness... And a feeling that I was not welcome in this new realm, gone the metal come the droning. Nine inch nails had a big impact on the game as the main singer himself had a hand in crafting the music and feel of the game, he even voiced the player. With the difference it could play in to your idea going from a Brutal power fantasy to a Cruel nightmare though the dark of this new realm, adding to the Doom 3 concept of adding horror in to Doom.