Why the Galactic Concordance Treaty Failed

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The Galactic Concordance Treaty was flawed from its conception. It was too harsh in the wrong places and too lenient in other areas. The treaty also led to the demilitarization of the New Republic, which made the faction helpless when the First Order appeared.
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@Kubinda12345
@Kubinda12345 3 жыл бұрын
Mon Mothma's problem was that she wanted to recreate the pacifistic demilitarized Galactic Republic. Even the rebellion's official name was "Alliance to restore THE republic" not A republic or to create a New Republic. However she didn't realized that a) not everyone liked the Galactic Republic and b) that times have changed.
@cyantile5490
@cyantile5490 3 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment
@casbot71
@casbot71 3 жыл бұрын
*[I originally posted this under another thread, but it seems appropriate here]* The whole de-militarization thing was just _too overboard and unrealistic._ Not only was the Imperial remnant still a powerful force, but the Galaxy was still a chaotic and nasty place. A ethical leader like Mon Mothma should have been concerned about the billions of 'people' still living in slavery and under threat of genocide in the hell hole that was outside the core systems. Even if the First Order never arose the New Republic was making a _morally indefensible decision_ - like Superman sitting back and watching a school bus plunge over a cliff while he's having a picnic with Louis … " we're ok". [Or to be more accurate, while half the school children get sold into sexual slavery and the other half get massacred for being the wrong ethnic group]. Assuming the Imperials kept their side of the bargain - a very naive view…, there were still a lot of bushfire wars and major pirate and crime gangs, and very evil (for want of a better word) governments out there. And as a student of history (having lived through the most tumultuous recent part of it), she should have known that what allowed the Clone Wars to happen was the weakness and _lack of military authority_ of the Old Republic. If they had had a strong central Navy the Trade Federation would have never needed to be armed up and deputised as the local sheriff/military. And thus the CIS could never have arisen. And a strong New Republic Military could not only have forced the Imperial remnants to unconditionally surrender, perhaps even getting justice for the leadership that had committed war crimes, but more importantly, they could have restored order and justice to the rest of the Galaxy. Fast reaction forces take down pirates and slavers - what about the Wookies and the Trandosians? Just hope those big lizards have learnt their lesson and won't try again? And then there's the Hutts, that lot need taking down, and you need a lot of big guns for that. The sensible option would have been to mass produce fast Mon Cala cruisers to patrol the more lawless regions and steadily bring order _and peace_ to them. Mon Cala ships don't rule by fear of planetary bombardment, but they scare other ship's captains cause they are fast and incredibly hard to disable, so taking them down or getting away is a hard task. But they are not a gun aimed at your head like a ISD was, they are instead the perfect patrol ship. As it was, the New Republic de-militarization abrogated all responsibility to *protect its citizens* and would have left a lot of them reminiscing about the old days under the Empire, when at least there was stability, if no freedom. A bit like how you would miss the former Soviet Union if your Homeland was now embroiled in a brutal civil war and ethic cleansing.
@marcbartuschka6372
@marcbartuschka6372 3 жыл бұрын
@@casbot71 I think it would be not the best way to fight the Empire and force them to unconditional surrender. In legends it took more than a decade and in the end the peace was made NOT without conditions, but on fair terms. To subdude the Empire would have ment fighting them to the bitter end, and I bet that would have been also a fight of many years. Hard to believe that the New Republic would have the stamina to do so. I guess many people wanted peace and peace now, not send their loved ones to die in the cold space over some distant worlds on which great parts of the population even reject the "liberation" (since the Empire had quite support in the Core, I guess. Peace through negotiation and on fair terms was not the worst option, but it had to be made with more common sense.
@kenle2
@kenle2 3 жыл бұрын
What was the practical alternative? Even most former rebels were sick of fighting, there were thousands of worlds that had entrenched former Imperial officials that would have taken years to dig out and trying to do so would have meant horrific ground fighting. That wouldn't help establish any kind of faith in a new government.
@Kubinda12345
@Kubinda12345 3 жыл бұрын
@@kenle2 The New Republic didn't have to wipe out all the entranched Imps. But building a new regime on wishful thinking is naive and idiotic. The reality was that the galaxy was fractured with many armed groups and factions. The demilitarization declawed and castrated the New Republic making its member states vulnerable to threats including the First Order.
@HonestHappyHater
@HonestHappyHater 3 жыл бұрын
The conclusion is simple: Pellaeon is the only person, who could sign an Imperial peace treaty and do it correctly
@newsaxonyproductions7871
@newsaxonyproductions7871 3 жыл бұрын
Did you ever notice how Alan calls us friends at the start of each video?
@marinerproductions1315
@marinerproductions1315 3 жыл бұрын
@@newsaxonyproductions7871, yeah...why?
@topphatt1312
@topphatt1312 3 жыл бұрын
@New Saxony Productions what about it
@newsaxonyproductions7871
@newsaxonyproductions7871 3 жыл бұрын
@@topphatt1312 Idk, I just think it's kinda cool that he considers us his friends.
@cyantile5490
@cyantile5490 3 жыл бұрын
@@newsaxonyproductions7871 pretty random reply
@eddieram435
@eddieram435 3 жыл бұрын
I am beginning to think the New Republic's ideology is so wrong. Their whole struggle was just to wrestle power from the Empire. Allowing for systems to elect their capital was a dumb move. Coruscant has always been the Capital and should remain as such.
@Shadowpack95
@Shadowpack95 3 жыл бұрын
Disney wanted nothing to do with Legends so they did everything the opposite of when they made their new cannon, couldn't have a competent New Republic at the Galactic center nope, had to have a weak system that failed in less than 50 years
@eddieram435
@eddieram435 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shadowpack95 nah, I am ok with an incompetent New Republic. D Shows that the other side has flaws too which is fine with me. The Legends version of the New Republic was trash and they look like a Justice League with the Original Trilogy cast as action heroes💩💩💩Pure shit ideas for the legends version.
@HonestHappyHater
@HonestHappyHater 3 жыл бұрын
@@eddieram435 "shit ideas"? Like what? Realistic political situation? Jedi actually doing something?
@MWBalls
@MWBalls 3 жыл бұрын
@@eddieram435 i would agree that having GL's holy trinity saving the galaxy over and over got old quick. But the overall galactic situation was far more believable, interesting, and enjoyable.
@eddieram435
@eddieram435 3 жыл бұрын
@@HonestHappyHater the Jedi did something already...It's called the prequels and the Clone Wars shows.
@yavyav2281
@yavyav2281 3 жыл бұрын
Beware, its not Wilson that pushed Germany to pay tremendous amount of money in reparation, it was Clemenceau. Anyway, good video !
@mmouse1886
@mmouse1886 3 жыл бұрын
one could argue that the Treaty of Versallies was more or less controlled by Wilson because he forced the hand of Britain and France *not* to completely break up Germany and have it annexed by it's neighbours, instead going down the route of harsh reparations, removal of a quarter of it's territory and all of it's colonies being taken away.
@davidtuttle7556
@davidtuttle7556 3 жыл бұрын
@Draugr wilson was sick with the flu.
@davidtuttle7556
@davidtuttle7556 3 жыл бұрын
@Draugr i wasnt offended. But H1N1 had wierd and unpridictable side effects that differed from patient to patient. It is clear after that Wilson lacked the energy that hed possessed prior, and that his mental faculties appeared to wane. This seems to have affected his influence on the negotiations.
@DMS-pq8
@DMS-pq8 3 жыл бұрын
@Draugr The French lost almost 2 million in the war The USA lost about 120.000 so you can forgive the French for not bowing down to Wilson
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 3 жыл бұрын
Woodrow Wilson actually wanted to forgive Germany after WW1, Alan. It was France and Britain who wanted to punish Germany. This is common knowledge, Alan.
@JohnNeo19
@JohnNeo19 3 жыл бұрын
Common knowledge for people who know about history, this is a Star Wars youtube channel lol you can’t expect accurate history lessons
@Obsidian_Gargantuan_Leviathan
@Obsidian_Gargantuan_Leviathan 3 жыл бұрын
demilitarising a galactic size republic = a mistake bigger than the milky way for a lot of reasons in special after a galactic empire who had a LOOOOT of capital warships
@remuslazar2033
@remuslazar2033 3 жыл бұрын
This Mon Mothma is a version of Kathleen Kenedy
@michaelarmstrong9722
@michaelarmstrong9722 3 жыл бұрын
Some of the remnant escaped to the unknown region and surely after jakku, New Republic spies and New Republic intelligence must have picked up a surge of imperial forces escaping to that unknown space but couldn't do anything after the galactic concordance and the demilitarisation of the nr fleet gave the first order a swift blow in 34 aby after the nr had become selfish and weren't helping people who needed their help. Also during the time of the mandalorian they are a big joke as they can barely overthrow bounty hunters attacking their poorly demilitarized freighters and ships. Hence the reason as to why people consolidated with new republic veterans who had witnessed a totalitarian government fall only to see their own as no better if not worse off at times. They had fought for nothing knowing that the empire was still out there and could come back more powerful and diminish their tiresome work at being overwhelmed and still having the courage and hope for others to fight that very tyranny. Tis an unfortunate end as to why the nr failed. They didn't need to demilitarise. They could have gone to planets who need or don't need their help whilst maintaining a peaceful military government who cared about good and more so non violence that would inspire the millions to stand up for their own and not rely on a big ass military to save them. Hence the description through clone wars tv show
@andrewlim9345
@andrewlim9345 3 жыл бұрын
The Canon Mon Mothma seems to be a shadow of the Legends version. I don’t think the Legends Mothma would have allowed the rise of the First Order.
@luis_zuniga
@luis_zuniga 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Her Legends version it's better.
@RaytheonThunder
@RaytheonThunder 3 жыл бұрын
The legends Mon Mothma was not stupid like the Disney canon one.
@titanghost7556
@titanghost7556 3 жыл бұрын
Ironically Mon Mothma, the pacifist that would rival duchess Satine in her steadfastness to her ideals, was a better leader in war time than in peace time Insert the Ironic meme
@tuckerjohnston1844
@tuckerjohnston1844 3 жыл бұрын
As a badass Mandalorian once said the new republic is a joke.
@jedistudios19
@jedistudios19 3 жыл бұрын
I always love the videos but, the US never signed the Treaty of Versailles. Wilson and the US thought it to be too harsh on post-war Germany. Instead Britain and France were the main countries enforcing the treaty which lead to the the depression of the German economy. Ultimately the depression would allow a radical like Hitler to rise to promincance in German politics. Also the treaty of Versailles would lead to Japan and Italy feeling as though they were not appreciated for their help to the allies in WWI leading them to join Germany in WWII.
@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.
@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff. 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. No. Wilson made sure Versailles was the way it was. France hated the treaty. They wanted, and probably should have just partitioned Germany. I mean Trianon and Saint Germain en Laye worked very well.
@matthewtuckman4447
@matthewtuckman4447 3 жыл бұрын
@@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff. if i were them id want to give Germany strength and allow it to keep its territory and keep Germany stable and id keep the Kaiser in power
@kieferkarpfen6897
@kieferkarpfen6897 3 жыл бұрын
@@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff. In Austria was also a fascitic regime, because of the treaty.
@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.
@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff. 3 жыл бұрын
@@kieferkarpfen6897 yes but on its own it wouldn't have done much.
@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.
@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff. 3 жыл бұрын
@@kieferkarpfen6897 if I may quote Niccolo Machiavelli. "If an injury is to be inflicted on an enemy, it is to be so severe, that the enemy’s retaliation need not be feared."
@theliato3809
@theliato3809 3 жыл бұрын
Its sad that Mon Mothma was an intelligent and skilled leader that lead the rebellion since before palatine declared his new order in the pre disney canon yet now shes an inept fool that paved the way for the FO to rise and all that happened with it.
@remuslazar2033
@remuslazar2033 3 жыл бұрын
This Mon Mothma is a Kathleen Kennedy version of her
@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.
@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff. 3 жыл бұрын
@@remuslazar2033 precisely.
@da-vidcargill4975
@da-vidcargill4975 3 жыл бұрын
@@remuslazar2033 r u on crack
@JeffreyPiatt
@JeffreyPiatt 3 жыл бұрын
Star wars has always heavily used real world history as a model for its storyline. The new republic wanted a break from the previous governments so moving from the old capital and not having a massive military was a deliberate choice. The unprepared state they were in for the new order was based on the allies interwar state. None of the militarys were truly ready for the axis military forces.
@MarcusDarkstar
@MarcusDarkstar 3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffreyPiatt ya Except the entire inspiration for the New Order going to the Unknown Regions to rebuild is based on Nazi's going to Argentina after WW2. Which is adept since you know the Empire is inspired by the Nazis. Going by that logic the Sequels propose a situation like the nation of Argentina becoming a World Superpower thanks to Nazi defectors and the allies/Soviets all disarming unilaterally despite all the internal and international problems that would create even for a World without evil Nazi's as a threat. It would be like Argentina winning the Falkans War cause the UK just disarmed its entire fleet and refused to have the means of protecting itself. And in the middle of this Falkans War scenerio the nation of Argentina now led by Adolf Hilter (who escaped Berlin) leds the nation in invading the UK and conquering the rest of Europe once again. You can see where I am going with this. Its all contrived bullshit thats stupid but sounds cool to people who don't think things through.
@kostakatsoulis2922
@kostakatsoulis2922 3 жыл бұрын
I would only disarm around maybe 40 percent of the military, maybe, and also actually hunt down imperial remnants
@DevinClagg0607
@DevinClagg0607 3 жыл бұрын
We all love to see generation tech taking a deep dive into star wars
@tubbatuber3063
@tubbatuber3063 3 жыл бұрын
Mon Mothma was really stupid the whole reason the clone wars lead to the empire was because there was no military and the republic had to use a secret clone army and she totally paved the way for the first order to take over
@Jungoguy
@Jungoguy 3 жыл бұрын
So not only did Mon Mothma downsized the New Republic’s army and not help rebuild the Jedi, but she didn’t even make an active effort to hunt down the remnants of the Empire.
@ontasbulent5709
@ontasbulent5709 3 жыл бұрын
New Republic: You can have a navy in your territory but you can’t train stormtroopers *Empire trains ship maintenance with blasters and armor
@osedebame3522
@osedebame3522 3 жыл бұрын
I really, really don't like Woodrow Wilson, but I don't think you can lay the blame for Versailles and a resurgent Germany at his feet. Not even at Britain's. It was France. They were incredibly harsh on the Germans, and their occupation of the Ruhr was especially harsh, being a propaganda goldmine for the Nazis later on because of the misconduct of the vengeful French occupation forces. Then there was the reparations, which caused the iconic inflation crisis of Weimar Germany which caused a deep distrust of democracy itself in Germany, and allowed the Nazis to rise to power. Meanwhile Britain and the US were trying to lessen up the harshness of Versaille, and America even propping up the Weimar economy for a while until the Depression. Because of the lesson the Allies learned from Versailles, they made sure after WW2 to bring Germany into NATO and build it back up, to prevent another resurgence.
@Underworlddream
@Underworlddream 3 жыл бұрын
I remember reading that lots of the death on the French side during WW1 was due to incompetent General who were used to fighting old wars as well as them being very brutal toward their own troops, not necessary the skill of the other army. I recalled hearing about a General who has his scouts executed because they order the stop of the army because they the enemy ready to Ambush the Army, the general then order his troop to march through the Ambush. I think the same general also had a Tribunal to tried his own solder who were wounded in battle, he would claim that many of the wounds was self inflicted by the soldier and have them imprisoned or executed them. He would also crucify his own soldier as cowards and deserter in front of the Trenches so enemy can shoot them. Lot of the stuff that happen later became the base for the movie Many Wars Ago. The brutality of the French general toward their own soldier was said to be the reason why the French soldier surrender in mass and why they just gave up in WW2.
@theliato3809
@theliato3809 3 жыл бұрын
True, but you can lay a lot of blame on him for ruining the US with his policies
@osedebame3522
@osedebame3522 3 жыл бұрын
Underworlddream the French Military in WW2 kept fighting as the Free French Army, they never surrendered, that was the government. The French military even got an occupation zone in Germany at the end of the war.
@jay-1800
@jay-1800 3 жыл бұрын
I mean the us and uk are just as complicit in nazi Germany’s rise and later war. While the Us and Uk didn’t harshly punish Germany later on their policies allowed hitler to gain and build on his power. The us isolationist policies and unwillingness to join the League of Nations made the likelihood of ww2 much more likely. Neville chamberlands appeasements and concessions to Germany allowed them to grow bold and grow in strength
@theliato3809
@theliato3809 3 жыл бұрын
@@jay-1800 Its not Nevilles fault the brittish public had no stomach for war until The bulldog roused them into action.
@user-Jay178
@user-Jay178 3 жыл бұрын
Mon motham is so stupid and has pretty much doomed the galaxy and left the outer rim to the first order. Great video
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 3 жыл бұрын
Basically, we had a brilliant and tough leader, who founded the Rebellion and was one of the greatest leaders in Legends history and Disney beat her with the Idiot Stick, in order to force their poorly thought out new cannon
@pyeitme508
@pyeitme508 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I prefer Earth in Star Wars.
@tuckerjohnston1844
@tuckerjohnston1844 3 жыл бұрын
Gerardo Reyes Demilitarizing the new republic military was the biggest mistake in galactic history.
@commonsense5199
@commonsense5199 3 жыл бұрын
Mon Motham is a better leader than Holdo that’s for sure.
@theliato3809
@theliato3809 3 жыл бұрын
She was a far superior character in legends. Blame disney and their need to denigrate any woman who isnt KKs pet characters.
@GeofftheIronwolf
@GeofftheIronwolf 3 жыл бұрын
This is why EU Mon Mothma was 1000% better.
@da-vidcargill4975
@da-vidcargill4975 3 жыл бұрын
You ppl only give a shit about the EU
@anthonyhargis6855
@anthonyhargis6855 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, it was England and France that demanded such harsh conditions. Wilson tried to soften the conditions, but failed. Mon Mothma walked softly, but never understood the need to carry a big stick.
@alexcheetah79
@alexcheetah79 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that you always try to tie Start Wars to real life scenarios is why I enjoy this channel.
@lordoftherings999
@lordoftherings999 3 ай бұрын
Amedda’s Emperor curriculum is quite funny: 2 years as Emperor de iure = completely powerless puppet figurehead of Counselor Gallius Rax. When he finally gains the power to keep the Empire together after its defeat, he immediately surrenders it to the New Republic losing the throne. At least he did something “good” in his career.
@casbot71
@casbot71 3 жыл бұрын
They should have began a program of *de-Sith-ificantion* of the Empire.
@jamiewalsh3349
@jamiewalsh3349 3 жыл бұрын
The galaxy after Episode IX should do this. The Sith were the real villains of pretty everything that happened.
@dimitrikazakos3004
@dimitrikazakos3004 3 жыл бұрын
2:52 that voice crack tho
@michaelhviper
@michaelhviper 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. The New Republic got too comfortable in their complacency after the Galactic Civil War ended. It also happened in Babylon 5 with the Minbari after the Shadow War and in Star Trek when they don't officially know about threats like the Borg and the Dominion. Going back to the New Republic in Star Wars. When that happened they didn't take the First Order seriously and was wiped out because of it. Basically never get too comfortable in your complacency and relax your guard against your foes.
@DavidbarZeus1
@DavidbarZeus1 3 жыл бұрын
Well, at least the Federation kept developing larger and more powerful ships. They may prefer peace, but they also know that they need to be prepared for a war, especially when you have at least two factions that don't like you as neighbors
@Shadx27
@Shadx27 3 жыл бұрын
Wilson was against the Treaty but was forced to go along with it to get the League of Nations (the only major thing he got pushed, yet look at how well that worked). Also the US had little affect on Russia at that time. Putting way to much blame on small time Wilson and United States during a European controlled time period. America actually gave very generous loans to Germany, but that all came crashing down with Black Tuesday 1929.
@calvinmatthews1527
@calvinmatthews1527 3 жыл бұрын
I hope they throw shade on Mothma for what she did to the New Republic.
@gabrieldeoliveira5277
@gabrieldeoliveira5277 3 жыл бұрын
Thrawn history was better than the new disney cannon, and the jedi academy in yavin that Luke formed
@someguy9293
@someguy9293 3 жыл бұрын
Legends in general is way better, then Disney's Canon.
@Raleyg
@Raleyg 3 жыл бұрын
Every part of this was handled a million times better in Legends
@HonestHappyHater
@HonestHappyHater 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, who needs cause and effect timeline, logical character decisions and conflicts that would realisticly result in that situation? Better make stuff up as you go, without consulting the Story Group, like "visionary" J.J Abrams, or Chuck Wendig
@ToddTheTolerable
@ToddTheTolerable 3 жыл бұрын
Kinda goes without saying for anything in the timeline after RotJ.
@tba113
@tba113 3 жыл бұрын
First, hope you're feeling better, Allan! Second, Wilson was a pretty heinous guy, but there's plenty of blame to go around for Versailles. As I understand it, one of the few things Wilson did right was push to _not_ make Germany pay for the whole war, but the European allies basically told Wilson "Thanks for the blood and treasure - now butt out, new kid, the grown-ups are talking." The votes weren't there for it, but things would have been very different if we'd gone with Teddy Roosevelt in '12, just saying...
@madrabbit9007
@madrabbit9007 3 жыл бұрын
That wasn't Wilson's treaty, he argued against it as it was far too harsh. The French and Brits are the ones who pushed for the harsh treatment of Germany.
@Rex-fm3vj
@Rex-fm3vj 3 жыл бұрын
7:04 what's the name of the music ?
@mickholtel2784
@mickholtel2784 3 жыл бұрын
Who has the best ship designs the UNSC or star fleet?
@CaptainSovereign
@CaptainSovereign 3 жыл бұрын
So canon mon motha is space female neville chamberlain?("peace time")
@JannisMarquardt-bc6jf
@JannisMarquardt-bc6jf Жыл бұрын
No, the chancellor during the Hosnian Cataclysmn was named Lenever Villecham. This is a direct hint to Neville Chamberlain.
@Toothieterror
@Toothieterror 3 жыл бұрын
You should make a 10 strengths series. it sounds cool to me.
@Trainlover1995
@Trainlover1995 3 жыл бұрын
Alternate title: Alan tries to make sense of the backstory for the sequel trilogy.
@luis_zuniga
@luis_zuniga 3 жыл бұрын
Disney did Mon Mothma dirty.
@nioushapajouyan4804
@nioushapajouyan4804 3 жыл бұрын
They should have brought jar jar to make it work
@Dmania1000
@Dmania1000 3 жыл бұрын
Your comment about Woodrow Wilson is not correct. Wilson wanted to be more lenient with Germany BECAUSE it could lead to future resentment and issues. It was France and Britain (especially France) that wanted to be more more aggressive with a post war Germany
@pyeitme508
@pyeitme508 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Love your Treaty of Versailles reference.
@neofulcrum5013
@neofulcrum5013 3 жыл бұрын
Demilitarizing was a mistake
@coruscant100
@coruscant100 3 жыл бұрын
It's so painful to know the Legends New Republic was so much better. Sure, they had their issues, but they knew what they were doing. The New Republic in this canon is presented as absolutely incompetent and even more corrupted than the Old Republic.
@casbot71
@casbot71 3 жыл бұрын
So what will the treaty to end the First Order look like? The best solution IMHO is "we agree to keep killing you, unless* you totally surrender". *Only applies to troopers who were kidnapped as children, they get a get out of jail free card if they kill their superiors. That'll make maintaining cohesion difficult for the First Order remnants. As for the New New Republic military - apparently it's a ad hoc group under the control of Lando Calrissian.
@anonymousrex5207
@anonymousrex5207 3 жыл бұрын
While the timeline was longer (mostly because the New Republic did not demilitarize in Legends) the New Republic still fell to a new version of the empire in both versions of star wars lore that are out there (both caused by the son of Han and Leia too).
@524silverstripes
@524silverstripes 3 жыл бұрын
Dang all that stuff the new republic wanted to happen is like pulling the Ebrake when going Ludicrous speed
@zenden791
@zenden791 3 жыл бұрын
yeah
@knowledgeseeker4614
@knowledgeseeker4614 3 жыл бұрын
Fighting is easier than diplomacy.
@pyeitme508
@pyeitme508 3 жыл бұрын
Like the Yankees also they fxxx pacifists sxxxholes!
@032adjutantreflex
@032adjutantreflex 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, the negotiator
@Elder74
@Elder74 3 жыл бұрын
aggresive negotiation*
@bdasf2214
@bdasf2214 2 жыл бұрын
1) Le traité de Versailles wasn't the main economic problem in Germany, it was the Krach (We have the numbers, they could amply pay the reparation according to their budget) + no other entente nation would have signed peace with Germany and have footed the bill for it while their own lands and cities got destroyed 2) The Tsar failed because of his incompetence, putting that on Wilson's back is simply wrong 3) The guy created the first global international organisation centered on avoiding wars and instigated a worlwide interest in peace and equality. It ended up failing but was an honest try. Before jabbing at historical figures and international crisis make sure you study them thoroughly, rapid kitchen-counter analysis don't cut it in that field. That's why I like your content too, very interesting political analysis of the inner working of a galaxy far far away. Cheers and keep the content running.
@carbonitegamorrean8368
@carbonitegamorrean8368 3 жыл бұрын
Xie, good to see ya feelin better, and that shit didnt take you out.
@MrRonald327
@MrRonald327 3 жыл бұрын
They need better armies.
@VNM-Venom252
@VNM-Venom252 3 жыл бұрын
That treaty was never going to work out, it only allowed Palpatine to form the First Order and the Sith fleet.
@srsleprock3062
@srsleprock3062 3 жыл бұрын
So.... This is how the New Republic dies in a thunderous " another" war.
@KirbyBWebb
@KirbyBWebb 3 жыл бұрын
True . The REPUBLIC wanted OUT from under the thumb of the EMPIRE . But each System wanted different things. Like here in the U.S.A. each State wants to be part of the whole BUT still wants leeway to do their own thing .
@machiavellianoverture1747
@machiavellianoverture1747 3 жыл бұрын
You skipped the splash logo
@fristnamelastname5549
@fristnamelastname5549 3 жыл бұрын
Generation Tech: *Makes video on why the Galactic Concordance Treaty failed* People in the Comment section: WiLsOn WaNtEd tO FoRgIvE GeRmAnY!
@Freyafanboy90
@Freyafanboy90 3 жыл бұрын
It seemed like they wanted to reduce the Empire remnant to a vassel state. Reduce the ablity to govern and defend themselves so then they had to rely on the New Republic as they couldn't deploy their own troopers. Also what was to stop the new Republic reducing the EMpires orders in their own section of space? It's like they were going to slowly throttle the Empire but making sure it had no choice but to join. Problem here was Mothma was too rigid in her vision it seems and not able to be flexible. If any thing the new Republic just seemed to reinstate the old status quo. I'm just wondering if there are any more Imperial holdouts. Like ones in the core world that accepted the concordence but have dropped some of Palpetines views for different ones? It would be sad to see the Empire snuffed out.
@georgedarkrender388
@georgedarkrender388 3 жыл бұрын
*Floats on.*
@nuggetbeballin
@nuggetbeballin 3 жыл бұрын
Serious question, do we know who taught yoda?
@georgedarkrender388
@georgedarkrender388 3 жыл бұрын
"Self trained, watched."
@Angry_Squirrel555
@Angry_Squirrel555 3 жыл бұрын
So you’re saying that the agreement was conducted by the two worst representatives possible and that’s why it failed.
@scottbraun2457
@scottbraun2457 3 жыл бұрын
Completely correct. If she "simply" converted the military mostly... into a larger civilian police force, and integrated the rest into the local defenses..things would have gone differently; the FIRST ORDER, would less likely have formed -but even if they did, they wouldn't have been even half as powerful. When the DARK FLEET, first attacked, the responses to it, wouldn't have been so little, nearly too late. When it was located, at it's home base, it would have been decimated far more swiftly...with far fewer casualties.
@squidy2902
@squidy2902 3 жыл бұрын
what if Ahsoka saved every clone on her star destroyer? Would that even been possible?
@daniellafferety4025
@daniellafferety4025 3 жыл бұрын
Remember jedi conseler were the republic's enforce. The bounty hunters were the empire's. The new republic really need jedi, or force using ninjas assian, spy, sabature. In secret so plausible deniablity.
@chrisdobson4597
@chrisdobson4597 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Allen
@RobbyIsTaken
@RobbyIsTaken 3 жыл бұрын
mi cabeza es azul
@trendydwarf3747
@trendydwarf3747 3 жыл бұрын
How are you doing man?
@georgedarkrender388
@georgedarkrender388 3 жыл бұрын
"It's rough, hype overload."
@mexicoball1434
@mexicoball1434 3 жыл бұрын
Hi
@KryptonianChaos1
@KryptonianChaos1 3 жыл бұрын
The First Order's existence pisses me off so much.
@georgedarkrender388
@georgedarkrender388 3 жыл бұрын
"Agreed, send help."
@basic-brick-mocs6500
@basic-brick-mocs6500 3 жыл бұрын
Hope your feeling better alan
@mickeyholding7970
@mickeyholding7970 3 жыл бұрын
Great subject matter I learned a lot that I didn't know
@KnightRISE-he7fq
@KnightRISE-he7fq 3 жыл бұрын
Do transformers vs Star Wars universe
@devo1977s
@devo1977s 3 жыл бұрын
Laundry day was missed? Starting to look like America Ben
@vanner66
@vanner66 3 жыл бұрын
Hello there
@daniellafferety4025
@daniellafferety4025 3 жыл бұрын
The republic died. The empire was born. When it died. The new republic did not fully reinvent itself. So they had old problems arise.
@bat_1906
@bat_1906 3 жыл бұрын
0 views 3 comments 8 likes?
@dr.trayaurus3173
@dr.trayaurus3173 3 жыл бұрын
Stonks
@ScoutTrooperTK
@ScoutTrooperTK 3 жыл бұрын
Real f*cking original
@bat_1906
@bat_1906 3 жыл бұрын
@@ScoutTrooperTK???
@bat_1906
@bat_1906 3 жыл бұрын
@Peters6221 jeez, sorry
@Xan923
@Xan923 3 жыл бұрын
How can you put stipulations on a territory you don’t control?? Oh wait ... 😅
@commonsense5199
@commonsense5199 3 жыл бұрын
Tierny: I’m not a monster, Tamara. Our goal is galactic peace through absolute order, nothing more Rucklin: what would know? *the New Republic was corrupted* Tierny: you know I wasn’t born into the First Order. For years I scrape by under the rule of the New Republic, but I knew I was meant for more. This is one of the Reason Star Wars Resistance is great. The show actually acknowledges the Flaws of the New Republic, it have consequence And the show ties in with these events happen with the Galactic Concordance Treaty and the Bloodlines book. Fleshing out First Order’s Goal and Perceptive. Dave Filoni and his Crew care about consistency of Star Wars. Tierny is the best Sequel trilogy Villians out there.
@newsaxonyproductions7871
@newsaxonyproductions7871 3 жыл бұрын
Phasma was actually the best villain of the Sequels. Just because she was underused, doesn't mean she wasn't at total ruthless badass. Did you read her book? I do agree that Resistance is a great show. It was prematurely cutoff, no matter what Disney says.
@commonsense5199
@commonsense5199 3 жыл бұрын
@@newsaxonyproductions7871 I did. It's a great book. But that's my problem is that Phasma is underused. Rian Johnson was fully aware in order to save Phasma from Force awakens and put her in Last Jedi is to have her own book and comic. He could've consulted with the writers of the Phasma books(like he did with Claudia Gray) and erase DJ entirely and Make Phasma Finn's Devil Shoulder while she in her bounty hunter Disguise. The Live Free and Don't Join ideology can works perfectly coming from her. Because she did all these selfish actions, including betraying her allies to survive.
@PaulJWells-ud2eq
@PaulJWells-ud2eq 3 жыл бұрын
I truly enjoy this channel, and always look forward to new content. Please, no more Kennedy era content; it seems a waste of time. History will define this period -- The Dark Years. Better to focus on...Old Republic materiel. Victory at Lucasfilm is nigh, through Victory our chains are broken...
@newsaxonyproductions7871
@newsaxonyproductions7871 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! All hail our great leader Favreau.
@georgedarkrender388
@georgedarkrender388 3 жыл бұрын
"...Kosh."
@luisemoralesfalcon4716
@luisemoralesfalcon4716 3 жыл бұрын
The NR was doomed from the start.
@daniellafferety4025
@daniellafferety4025 3 жыл бұрын
Public relations in war on earth. Is dificult to do. But if it is done properly their might not be a shooting war. But a overly spirted debate. Violent but on a individual basses, but not plantary bombardment's.
@malcomkurtmann9029
@malcomkurtmann9029 3 жыл бұрын
i would prefer a competent new republic and strong military but no plot armor.
@schnebot
@schnebot 3 жыл бұрын
disney timeline is shit. a GALACTIC empire falls in 1 year? yeah thats likely. Expanded Universe FTW!
@Theggman83
@Theggman83 3 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy Generation Tech with a bowl... Of cereal.... What did you think I meant?
@NikkyElso
@NikkyElso 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the old, fight a war to restore a republic that had collapsed in on itself less than 50 years prior and were not going to make ANY meaningful changes to adapt to the different political climate of the Galaxy at the time. 10/10 Mon Mothma 10/10
@kaelanirevyruun1676
@kaelanirevyruun1676 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why or how but I got unsubbed from you guys o.O Just noticed Cos I happened to not have the video in full screen lol
@SIMONGREYMAN
@SIMONGREYMAN 3 жыл бұрын
1:47 Don't you mean Ewoks? They are sentient beings as well sir.
@newsaxonyproductions7871
@newsaxonyproductions7871 3 жыл бұрын
Are they really, though?
@SIMONGREYMAN
@SIMONGREYMAN 3 жыл бұрын
@@newsaxonyproductions7871 wiki says so..... no one knows more than that source...... i would've agreed with that statement if they were semi-sentient......
@Apollo-zr8jf
@Apollo-zr8jf 3 жыл бұрын
How's everyone doing?
@Lobsterwithinternet
@Lobsterwithinternet 3 жыл бұрын
Still blue as ever! 🦞
@Turtles21
@Turtles21 3 жыл бұрын
Yuo*
@mastermonke1177
@mastermonke1177 3 жыл бұрын
Because Disney couldn’t think of a good reason why somehow the resistance is undermanned and low budget, but the first order somehow has more then t he galactic empire
@dragondrew2000
@dragondrew2000 3 жыл бұрын
yeah I really hate the Sequel lore.
@mastermonke1177
@mastermonke1177 3 жыл бұрын
Dragon Drew especially because if the lack of lore. We have no idea about the state of the galaxy during the sequels
@Skye_Writer
@Skye_Writer 3 жыл бұрын
Wellllll....technically, it wasn't Wilson's treaty at Versailles; Wilson is on record as wanting more lenient terms for the Germans, while France and the others--having been more directly affected than America--wanted Germany to pay. Wilson became ill shortly after arriving and it's suspected he came down with the (badly named) Spanish Flu, the pandemic of his day. Since the flu epidemic of 1918-1919 killed mostly *younger* victims, Wilson did recover so he could return to the peace talks, but by all reports he was basically exhausted and seemed not quite "there." Since survivors of the 1918 flu reported sleep disturbances, depression, mental distraction, dizziness, and difficulties coping at work, it's believed now that Wilson was suffering from these after effects (particularly the mental distraction) and that France and Britain took advantage of this. French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau told Wilson: "America is far away, protected by the ocean. Not even Napoleon himself could touch England. You are both sheltered; we are not." France had been the country most physically scarred by the war and they wanted STEEP reparations. And the British wartime coalition was re-elected with a policy of squeezing the German "'til the pips squeak." Though in private Lloyd George opposed revenge and attempted to compromise between Clemenceau's demands and the Wilson's Fourteen Points, and he wanted terms of reparation that would not cripple the German economy, so that Germany would remain a viable economic power and trading partner, and maintain a European balance of power to thwart a French attempt to establish itself as the dominant European power (a revived Germany would be a counterweight to France and a deterrent to Bolshevik Russia), in the end by arguing that British war pensions and widows' allowances should be included in the German reparation sum, Lloyd George ensured that a *large* amount would go to the British Empire.
@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.
@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff. 3 жыл бұрын
Why not just annex the Empire?
@HonestHappyHater
@HonestHappyHater 3 жыл бұрын
Because the New Republic didn't have resources to maintain control over all the Empire and would have to supress dozens of pro-imperial uprisings (which would go against the whole idea behind the Alliance). Not even mentioning that full annexation would mean disbanding *all* existing military forces, administration, law enforcement etc. Best case scenario would be billions of jobless men and women, whose only skills involve warfare, turning the galaxy into a playground for numerous pro-imperial terrorist cells, raider gangs and mercenary groups. In worst case scenario the remaining military forces would realise that their fatherland is going to perish and they will be left without a job, home, or purpose, turning an enemy ready to surrender into an enemy ready to fight to the death
@daniellafferety4025
@daniellafferety4025 3 жыл бұрын
Creating future reasons for war. Is not a accident it was a business tactic of arms dealer's. For future sales profits. This is True in real world. So why would you dought it would be used in the fantasy star wars galaxy. Which is using any plot .
@facundogonzalez5453
@facundogonzalez5453 3 жыл бұрын
Rather than vision she seemed like a dangerous deluded person, like I wonder how she was able to lead the rebel alliance, she does not seem full use of her mental capabilities. I mean the moment she suggested those things I could literally see a military coup happening (Or not cause people seem to share her vision and moral) I mean I understand the idea of peace and all. But when someone see the Imperial Remmant not comming to surrender. Someone should have said (And I think Leia did) "Hey guys, maybe this is not the right time to disarm?"
@matthewpierpont7901
@matthewpierpont7901 3 жыл бұрын
For the record Woodrow Wilson was not responsible for the Treaty of Versailles. That was Europe as a whole and specifically Prime Minister Clemenseue who wanted to make Germany a "nation of potato farmers". England and the US were more for a light hand but France had her way. Alot of it not only had to do with resentment of the first world war which actually was more the Hapsburg Dynasty's fault than Germany, but also resentment for the loss of the Franco-Prussian war which was responsible for the unification of Germany. Woodrow Wilson actually signed a different treaty with Germany which was way more lenient. Not say he wasnt a flawed president, in fact I despise him, but rather he really didn't have a lot of say in global affairs despite his speeches on the "rights of nation's self determination".
@CaptainBill22
@CaptainBill22 3 жыл бұрын
I never liked Mon Mothma, she's too damn naive and weak.
@JannisMarquardt-bc6jf
@JannisMarquardt-bc6jf Жыл бұрын
Without her the empire would atill rule the galaxy.
@noahwalters2732
@noahwalters2732 3 жыл бұрын
Legends Post-Endor is still better in my opinion.
@khamulthewack4732
@khamulthewack4732 3 жыл бұрын
... WilllllllSSSSONNNNNNNNN!!!!
@noone.3532
@noone.3532 3 жыл бұрын
Also on the claim the USSR killed more people than all the wars put together. Are you including the Belgian Congo, Katanga, Zaire, DRC decades where capitalism has ruled the Congo? Most Soviets died during the invasion by Germany and subsequent drive to push the facsists out than died according to all the stuff I can find. How many Chinese died in the war with the British, German, Americans and Japan then following civil war?
@eNoble-US
@eNoble-US 3 жыл бұрын
0:30 boutta piss off a lot of edgy ass teenagers
@BillyBOB-sm3rl
@BillyBOB-sm3rl 3 жыл бұрын
I never did like her, too much hippie pea e and love.
@bradmorales4002
@bradmorales4002 3 жыл бұрын
In Legends she must've ( even though I havent read a novel depicting her pacifism in that timeline) been a better pacifist. In canon they made her an extremist pacifist. The Sith code is right Peace is a lie.
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