Why the Gan 356 XS is a gimmick 😞

[@cyoubx]

I didn't mention this in the video, but I paid for this cube with my own money and was disappointed with where that money went.

[@nohaerrr]

lol

[@AaPerm]

Aren't you sponsored anymore?

[@cyoubx]

I am, but this cube wasn't.

[@AaPerm]

@@cyoubx ah okay

[@AlfredSpeedcuber]

My wallet says Awww

[@BlazertronGames]

I just like the fact that I don't have to worry about threading screws or messing up the screw head.

[@_sixtyfour]

I asked for a review, not a physics masterclass.

[@saltlauren9888]

Just found my new favourite cubing youtuber. Educated bloke with no bullshit. Eetswa

[@ramonperezflaquer3769]

You sure bout that?

[@speedcubingaccount4121]

@@ramonperezflaquer3769 yes

[@EliteCubingAlliance]

I didn't realize that cyoubx started uploading again. So glad he did though!

[@im_lyzole]

hello

[@avataraang4029]

Around 3:45 u state that both the clear and the blue system effect the tension of the cube, but does not changing only the clear not affect travel distance unlike blue nut. Is there not a difference between how tight and lose a cube is versus how strong the springs are. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong I’m just confused slightly.

[@johndolores315]

He got confused, turning the clear piece changes the height of the top part of the clear piece, and so does turning the blue part. Cyoubx, however, presumed that the bottom part of the clear piece could always reach the top part and 'bottom out', but it doesn't. Changing the height of the top part of the clear piece does not change how 'loose' the cube is because of the cylinder protruding from the middle part of the center piece of the cube, comes into contact with the blue part. This prevents the centre/bottom-part-of-clear-piece from going up further. So turning the clear piece does not change the max height that the centre piece can go (looseness), it simply changes the tightness of the spring (k constant), and is equivalent to changing springs. So it is not a gimmick.

[@monarodan]

Fellow Engineer here. I bought the XS and had the same thoughts about the tensioning system. I agree that the stepping gives a simple method for precision, but I too was looking for a table of dusplacements for each nut and position settings. I found a setting I like and enjoy the cube though.

[@Silverback947]

First of all, I want to thank you for your insights. Can you make another video on how to precisely tension a cube evenly? I usually use the Moyu tensioning tool, but it doesn't really work on say the Dayan tengyun V1.

[@muk314]

All the kids out there who’s broke and wanted a gan cube : 👁👄👁 I’m gonna pretend I didn’t see that

[@johndolores315]

@cyoubx I'm not an engineer but a physicist. As much as I agree with you most of the time, unfortunately, you are wrong here cyoubx. You missed something very subtle. If you look inside the middle piece of the cube, there is a cylinder protruding outwards. This comes into contact with the blue part of the dual adjustment mechanism. I know what you mean, the blue part also changes the maximum height that the bottom of the spring part can go up, the problem is, it can never reach it no matter what setting you put it on because it is limited by the protruding part of the middle piece coming into contact with the blue part. Hence the 'looseness' of the cube actually remains the same when you turn the clear piece around and is the equivalence of changing the 'K' constant of the spring. There are a lot of people in the comments who now think GAN's system is a gimmick, and I really think you did a disservice to the brilliant engineers at GAN. I'm not sure if you figured this out already and made another video to renounce your initial presumptions, but if not, I really think you should. Happy cubing everyone. And GAN's dual adjustment system is NOT a GImmick, it works like Moyu's system, just with more precise steps rather than a screw.

[@aspalarrake4712]

Yo was thinking same thing, not a gimmick, like I can feel the cube go tighter when changing the blue setting and turning the spring around didn't make it tighter or looser

[@johndolores315]

@@aspalarrake4712 Yeah, it is a brilliant and precise system. My 11 pro blooming edition is coming soon, pretty excited. :)

[@VKCUBED]

Nice video cyoubx I am really happy you started uploading

[@NondescriptIndividual]

I paid $45 for mine-had to wait a over a month to get it but the savings were worth it. I hadn't bought a new cube in years and wanted to get a feel for the current state of flagship 3x3s. Self-contained magnet adjustment alone grabbed my attention. It's a great cube and I love using it, though the weight, speed, and texture (stickerless) threw me off. My tastes are not very refined I suppose so I'm happy with the incremental adjustment system primarily because I don't have to worry about finding settings I used previously or finding settings other cubers recommend (admittedly less of a factor once I find my preference). Lube also plays a major role and can probably substitute for finer tension control. Screws tend not to engage plastic threads the exact same way every time in my experience, which can make evenness hard to achieve reliably, so I'm fond of the screwless core. It makes disassembly/swaps mighty convenient. Plus, counting screw rotations is a drag. I know the TengYun V2 merges both worlds by including screw adjustment on top of its own cipher of an adjustment system. Personally, I've taken apart and put together too many Dayans over the years to want to deal with screws lol

[@cyoubx]

$45 is a great deal and if that's what the cube cost normally, I probably wouldn't have made a video about it. I also failed to make this more explicit in my video (my bad), but I am also happy with how the cube performs and I agree that the tensioning system works (and has pros)! My point really is that it's an overengineered implementation that makes it harder to manufacture than it needs to be, making the cube more expensive than it's really worth.

[@xdfdf_]

@@cyoubx another important point is they reduce the cost once a new flagship comes. The han X was 60 dollars and after the gan Xs was released they reduced the price to 45. They might probably reduce this once the next one comes

[@krishtendolkar3107]

Yay you’re back!

[@cubixwizard3930]

appreciate you giving your thoughts on the gann excess from a constructive feedback perspective as well as an engineering perspective. My first experience with a dual tensioning system was with the GTS 3M. I still really like that cube all the same reasons why you like the gan XS. after messing with it and trying to get the perfect tensions on it to try and make it the perfect balance of stable and flexibility and I feel like I got close. But when I learn how the Gan XS works I personally avoided purchasing it because it's tensioning was the numeric system which I didn't like to begin with. So I stuck with the Gan X with the Ipg v5 system and I still don't regret not having the XS cuz I have more control of my tensioning with it👍

[@ohhi666]

*gan xs*

[@cubixwizard3930]

@@ohhi666 👍

[@hunteravellona]

Nice video! I never really thought of the XS in this way. I basically was sold on it when I learned that there wasn’t a screw that I could screw in crooked or not get the same tensions on all sides, but this video totally disputed all of that really nicely haha

[@Lchu01]

I don't actually own one of these and it was hard to find a good photo or video of the tensioning mechanism, but is it not the case that the center piece "bottoms out" against the blue nut, which would mean that adjusting the nut height would also change the center piece travel distance as well as the compression whereas the ratchets only change the spring compression without changing the travel distance?

[@colerockta]

Does the moyu spring compression system have similar flaws

[@octogintillion]

No, because there is a screw like a normal cube, but you can effectively change the spring by only turning the blue piece.

[@colerockta]

Cool thx

[@milesgreenwood5036]

Glad you're back! Look into something called a DeEsser, it will make your S sounds not nearly as sharp (a bit unbearable but that's just me)

[@a.b5263]

I totally agree with you, with the springs, they’re just limiting your options, whereas on a normal cube you have infinite options. For example the gan 356m lite, like all you get is that one ges setting, WHICH IS JUST ABSURD THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY 10 DOLLARS FOR MORE GES NUT OPTIONS. Its like they want us to pay for something that they took away

[@aihua5206]

even if you have infinite options over 99.99% of the settings will still be useless if it is too tight or too loose. I've gone to hundreds of comps when peopel use the gan xs and no one has complained that they needed a looser or tighter setting

[@Justin_Yorg_]

@@aihua5206 Yeah, these people just want to complain about everything. GAN XS is the best cube.

[@Canoneosmiami]

U make the most sense of all the reviews on it .

[@Digital.success1212]

Bro I've mained the xs for over a year and I love it

[@sachingupta8877]

So may I but 356 m,gan xs ,wr m or valk Elite

[@khonrado8923]

@cyoubx, Precisely my thoughts on the tensioning system of this cube. Some KZbinrs say that the crystal plastic is for this and the blue plastic is for that when in reality they both adjust the spring, the same spring. This is basic in engineering class, even in physics class! Also, the adjustable magnet feature to me is pointless because when you get to your desired streght, you are fixed to that setting. I mean why wouldn't they just sell separate cubes with separate magnetic strengths? Like XS lite, XS medium and XS strong with a fraction of the cost instead of buying 1 cube with these features for $60+?

[@aihua5206]

so based on your reasoning, why would they even put the blue nuts in if you will only use one of them

[@AaPerm]

Great to see more new videos :D

[@stevewyffels6137]

Very interesting . I agree with you . I have the gan air sm and gan 356 M. Both very nice. Air was about $40 and 356 M $35. Both are comparable in ways to the XS .

[@M3ko2]

Dang, as light as it is, I actually can kinda agree as well, I'd actually prefer something like the WRM or the Valk Elite, and the XS really is over-the-top in customization 🤔

[@cyoubx]

Yes, "over-the-top" is the key point here!

[@shanookpaku8337]

When will you post the q and a?

[@popcat3925]

The point of the spring it’s not the combinations it’s that you find the perfect one for you, also standard spring and screws are harder and complicate (for me ), Gan is doing everything easier magnets easy to change, springs also easy to change, so your argument it’s kind of invalid, I understand but Gan Xs is a good cube just because you don’t like the spring sistem it doesn’t mean that the cube is bad, this is my opinion about the video if you have a different one it’s ok

[@rnoze6938]

No, he said the tensioning system is worse because you have less possibilities in the tensioning. Gan has just invented a worse screw system which the consumer needs to pay for.

[@creditgamerpants6106]

@@rnoze6938 lol just like apple were getting gan fanboys

[@alieffauzanrizky7202]

@@creditgamerpants6106 i guess i'll just stuck with my 356M then, since my GTS2 got stolen from my last comp

[@eternalrewind2190]

The tension system effects the elasticity of the pieces while keeping the cube tighter or losser. You can't do that with just a screw

[@mouhktar4587]

I think he’s mainly complaining about the tension not the elasticity. Also you can achieve the same results with a simple spring swap

[@StaticNebula26]

@@mouhktar4587 spring swaps aren't simple

[@cookierobber]

Okay I think the reason people are disagreeing with you in the comments here is because they're familiar with the GTS3's tensioning system (due to J Perm's video) and assume that the XS's one works essentially the same way. They both have a ratchet system and an extra thing (in the GTS3 it's the screw, in the XS it's the "tension control" of the blue piece). The extra bit does essentially the same thing in both cubes but the ratchet system does a different thing - on the GTS it changes where the bottom of the spring is, which is useful and isn't accomplished by the screw, whereas on the XS it still just changes where the top of the spring is, which is already accomplished by the blue piece. I think it would have been good and potentially clearer if you'd mentioned that it works differently to the GTS3's system, and explained that difference.

[@doodoostickstain]

your argument for it is exactly why i didn't get the X numeric system. i wanted complete control. but in the same token, i got the XS as a roll of the dice that since it offered more options for tensioning, it would be closer to what i like. plus my nuts stripped in my X and i had to buy two sets...which didn't come with all of them since it was pre-loaded with green. that sucked. (also, my car has a CVT transmission....unlimited gears vs ~6? imagine that now lol)

[@MeDoMeer]

why don't they just make screwheads with built in markers so you know how much you've turned? Like in height for amount of rotations and a sort of clock notation with a marker on the screwhead to notate the amount you turned within a rotation to a degree of 1/12th of a turn

[@rubiksmaster301]

Wow, uploading again!

[@letsthinkit]

You are right. And I agree with you. Only an engineer can understand what another engineers is trying to establish. Hooke's law and your explanation was very nice and I liked the way you established your point there. You know, there are many people who would call this cube "THE BEST CUBE FOR THE PRICEPOINT". But that is not the case I think that the mofang rs3m or even the moyu wrm 2020 springs and their engeneering design which relates to the perfectly constructed cores and body make more sense instead of this overlypriced cube which costs around 80 dollars in Canada. I bought the gan 356 m and I am super happy with it. I don't know why gan would do this. You are an engineer, and you are a man of science, I have a new respect for you, and you have earned a new subscriber. I like when people like you communicate to others using science to explain the mechanics of this engineering invention (the rubiks cube). Its really informative. Thank you so much!!! Make more videos pls :)!!!

[@ethanbruce7647]

At first I thought you were joking but then you started making some valid points..

[@kentagk9]

Have you watched J-Perm’s video on Moyu’s tensioning system (with GTS3) which GAN copied? He explained the displacement x and spring constant k very well, including a merit you overlooked. I think you should watch it.

[@amelia_c1750]

How did you get interested in biomed engineering?

[@laiscube]

I was never really a fan of the XS, but I think the GTS3's spring compression system works differently from XS, and the GTS3 isn't really a gimmick. While the f=kx equation still applies, and changing the compression system still changes x, what sets the GTS3 apart from other brands I know is that the compression tool compresses the spring from the bottom, while the screw tensioning compresses the spring from the top. I have tried keeping the x value constant while changing the compression (ie the GTS3 compression system shapes like a cup, and I constantly re-tensioned the screw to be the same height as the rim. I tried the cube at compression zero, then moved the compression level up to 4 and 8 and backed off the scew by the same amount). In theory spring force should be the same because I didn't change x and k cannot be changed, and true enough the speed of the cube and it's tightness didn't change. However, there was a difference in flexibility and corner cutting, possibly due to the difference in height of the bottom of the screw from the core, because that's the only thing that really changed. My experimentation however will not debunk the any system that compresses the spring from the top form being a gimmick though (which I believe the XS fits here), it's more for the GTS3 (or any system that compresses the spring from the bottom).

[@VKCUBED]

For me the original Valk 3M is the best without any fancy customization

[@continentalcubing9594]

The différence is that with actual screws the différents side will NEVER be on the same exact tension due to the infinite possibilities, honestly the community asked for it which is why GAN did it. Moreover their expensive cubes aren’t anything new, but people are fine with paying for performance. I think the video was really interesting and explained it more or less correctly, but you’re asking for something unnecessary. I feel that the reason they give less possibilities is because making the cube too tight or too loose will make the cube lose what makes it good. I agree that sometimes the price is too overbearing, but when I buy other cubes at other price points and end up comparing it to a cube like the Gan X/XS I find the the 15-25$ more I pay actually provides me with a better feel, so honestly just to say that I disagree with you BECAUSE GAN cubes are better. You’d have to find a much cheaper cube that is genuinely better at a lower price. Congratulations on getting sponsored by TheCubicle and I hope I wasn’t too overbearing, after all, this is just a matter of opinion.

[@Justin_Yorg_]

¡You got it bro, cheers! I can’t believe that people complain about The tension system.

[@Commander_ZiN]

Awesome couldn't agree more, those were my thoughts after looking at the reviews several months ago. I still had it as a question mark wether to buy as I already have a air sm and a 356 x which is my main. I like the ipg system because it splits the distance the pieces can travel and the tension, It might have less settings than GES nuts but I now know my exact prefered settings which changed as I got faster but now are pretty much set. The 356x is a Good cube to learn on, the XS sounds like a nightmare to setup swapping between nuts.

[@aihua5206]

swapping between nuts are easy unless you have underlying conditions

[@Commander_ZiN]

@@aihua5206 once it's setup you shouldn't need to swap. If you have underlying conditions get some help with it, use the tool or choose a different system. You can't make a cube to please everyone or it will please no one.

[@aihua5206]

@@Commander_ZiN that was my whole point so I’m confused

[@aihua5206]

Because you said that swapping nuts were easy

[@aihua5206]

I don’t have underlying condition ps so tha,t part was like if your hand was hurt

[@user-vd3pw6yf7b]

Great video

[@g-wolves8856]

tensions and elasticity is differnt thet dont do the same thing

[@TWPSJoey]

Actually I've been thinking about those duo adjust systems for a long time. My conclusion is: There's no real "duo adjust",cause we're always gonna compress the springs a little by tensioning the screws/change center travel settings. There's no way to set them up independently. But they still works pretty well cause you still able to change spring strength after setup a desire screw depth(unless you want to go weaker). Except Gan xs's system ,which is the worst imo. Here's my observations: If you look closely,modern speed cube's center travel distance is actually not determined by the bottom of center piece but the bump in the middle of it. (Meilong 3 for ex.) This design makes the center bump/screw head connection occurrs first,prevents over compression of the springs,and also benefits duo adjust system design. With this center bump design,center travel distance is not going to change when you use the system to compress the springs only.(unless you go to the extreme) For example: Moyu's system is good cause it can always make the center connection first. On the other hand,Gan xs's system is bad cause the center travel is actually still determined by the clear spring nut's maximum compression distance,not the center blue nut's connection. Which means,this system is actually still equal to normal screw/spring tension system, there's no "duo" part.

[@AlfredSpeedcuber]

Really like this rant. Make more vids like this

[@nalintatur6671]

Well... I think Heath Robinson would be impressed by this "INVENTION"

[@anshumanagrawal346]

You Just Missed A Little Thing Here, I'm Not An Expert So I'd Say Watch J Perm's Video About The GTS3 Spring System But Basically There's A Difference Between Tightening The Screws And Compressing The Springs, The Latter Doesn't Affect Corner Cutting And Pops

[@jamesbachcubing3116]

Its my main But It needs to Lube By Lubicle Black And X lube ok

[@BiffHorrific]

Please return to KZbin

[@colourized373]

Oh..man..I like your videos so much ..😍

[@MorphismCD]

Bruh You did not understand the system It works perfectly fine

[@nikitakusuma8440]

So what if you actually want a setting thst is 3.5? It can't be achieved with numerical IPG

[@Justin_Yorg_]

He talks too much, GAN XS is one of the best cubes in the world.

[@jamesbachcubing3116]

That is still my main

[@ramonperezflaquer3769]

The entire point is being able to keep it the same tension on every single side. Good Luck trying to tension your 2005 rubiks brand evenly on all 6 sides.

[@mouhktar4587]

Plz tell me you’re joking. He obviously knows that, he’s just saying it’s limiting the possibilities. Plus you don’t really need it. Before the dual tensioning system came out, I never heard anyone complain about uneven tensions

[@ramonperezflaquer3769]

Mouhktar Adams I owned a YJ cube that It was impossible go to, I’m not joking tho

[@Justin_Yorg_]

You are right bro, these people just want to complain about everything.

[@lozagames9382]

I just bought why is this on my recommend it

[@froggy_woggyyyy]

cyoubx. i saw ur other vid and u said u were sponsored by speed cube shop

[@SpeedcubingCentralspeedcuber]

that was his former sponsorship(before he had his hiatus,)

[@alfredmacasaet9865]

this is just him taunting people who put 60 bucks down the drain for a 30 dollar cube

[@yme3345]

Mine also sucks.

[@alphaily1216]

But gan made It so u can Trenton it much more accurately

[@mouhktar4587]

He clearly knows that lol

[@ethanbruce7647]

Bruh. This would have been helpful before I bought the cube

[@evander29]

sponsored by cubicle?

[@cyoubx]

Yup.

[@evander29]

@@cyoubx oops, I didn't read your community post! sorry...

[@exoticbutters2952]

@@cyoubx Ay GJ mate. Happy for you :)

[@ramonperezflaquer3769]

Cyoubx is always hating on GAN, smh

[@purpleontop2133]

Second President was John adams

[@im_lyzole]

Early

[@VKCUBED]

For me the original Valk 3M is the best without any fancy customization

[@evander29]

maybe because that's the only cube you have? You must try other cube seriously...

[@SpeedcubingCentralspeedcuber]

hey, the valk 3 is not a bad cube. It is still comparable to newer cubes which shows how great of a job qiyi has done on making that cube. In fact, some even prefer it over the valk 3 elite.