Why the "Good Liberals" Cannot Rule | Dave Rubin

[@ShovelShovel]

The Tolken paralells are so spot on.

[@jadeespot]

Except that Trump cultists have no intention of defending anything.

[@CaptainKipo-n6g]

Tolkien

[@Vanderyn]

@@CaptainKipo-n6g Token

[@quantumvideoscz2052]

Absolutely not. Completely misses the entire point of the Hobbits. They're ordinary, even simple people, yet they are the ones who end up defeating Sauron. Peterson even gets a lot of it wrong, the Dúnedain are not all sons of kings, only Aragorn is. They are a relic of the old kingdom of Arnor, the king of which gifted the Shire to the Hobbits as a land to use some 1500 or so years before LOTR. Since then, the kingdom fell and the Dúnedain rangers (rangers, not Striders as Peterson calls them here) protect the lands for it is their duty and it is the right thing to do. So, not only is Shire not a kingdom, the Hobbits are completely different from how Peterson characterizes them in this clip. And, just to make his argument even worse, there is not a king who could do what Frodo did in all of Middle-Earth. Aragorn, for all of his nobility and distant elvish relations dating all the way back to Beren and Lúthien, would ultimately fail. Not as quickly as Boromir, who was ensnared by the Ring the second he saw it, but still. Not even Gandalf, a Maiar (aka a lower-tier divine entity in the same category as a Balrog or even Sauron), could accomplish it. But a Hobbit, a Hobbit could own the One Ring for a few decades and still be able to give it up (like Bilbo did). The Hobbits saved everyone. Not the noble kings or the divine entities. Ordinary folk.

[@nancismith7705]

I started out as a Kennedy Democrat! My parents were Kennedy Democrats. My first time voting was for Bobby Kennedy in the Washington State Primary before he was murdered. It took me about ten years to realize that the Democrats in office were not the same Party of the Kennedy Democrats that I had believed in. I became an Independent voter. When Trump came around as a business man who didn’t need to make money off of the Presidency like the previous Presidents had done, I was intrigued! I now believe that it is not too late to save America from the Democratic Leadership!

[@jesse_-]

I live in MA, and so many people in. Ew England are Kennedy democrats, and they haven’t figured it out yet that democrats are nothing like Kennedy anymore. Funny thing is, by nature, people in New England are extremely conservative, yet they are so stuck on Kennedy they vote Democrat.

[@Steve-french-py9km]

And JFK was born into wealth and a notorious womanizer who cheated on his family. Sorry. Beyond giving some nice speeches, I personally do not admire the man.

[@brendanash2844]

Hopefully. I hope the next election is not lost to the neodemocrats.

[@peaceforallbeings1]

Maybe you should educate yourself about his last time in power. Only President to not divest business interests in office & only main accomplishments was cutting taxes for himself. It's always a shitshow & probably another Republican Recession with the blowhard Billionaire & his sycophants incoming.

[@Ackermanmedia]

I had a similar story but in my family nobody talked about politics in fact I didn't even know who my parents voted for. In 1992 when I graduated High School I couldn't stand Clinton or Bush so I voted for Ross Perrot. When Trump showed up on the scene I compared it to when I voted for Ross. Too bad I didn't see my liberal circles of friends turning on me and trying to destroy me since 2016.

[@uninhabitedspace]

First they came for the hateful, and I did not speak out for I was not hateful. Then they came for the mean-spirited, and I did not speak out, for I was not mean-spirited. Then they came for the rude, and I did not speak out for I did not want to interrupt. Then they came for the procastinators, and I would have spoken out, but I never got around to it. Then they came for the ambivalent, and I wasn't sure how I felt about that. Then they came for the apathetic, and by that time I just didn't care any more.

[@iamplay797]

Well spoken

[@ElBromoHojo]

This should have been the original version; the original is cringe.

[@tallspicy]

Read what your people are saying about trans people, the most hateful vile and disrespectful things I have ever seen,

[@elizabethporter6398]

😅😅😅

[@stinkusmaximus6621]

@johnjackson9767 .....while I don't have negative feelings for gay people I do agree that children adopted by them are deprived of the mother father dynamic which is a shame but so is the kid needing adoption in the first place....life can be smelly

[@jillcooper6371]

It is by the might of the strong the fanciful thrives. It is under the weak that countries perish.

[@louisng7539]

When our experiential perspective is collectively lost, the "self-evident" becomes no longer obvious. It's one of the reasons the returning GI's from WW2 were called the "Greatest Generation." The horrors of that war gave them an unmistakable truth of a perspective that solidified a strong, self-evident understanding of how life SHOULD be.

[@alexgreen6678]

Because of mass migration… both illegal and legal

[@gjkb52ddxyeah]

This is how I feel about my experiences in the military, I never deployed but I listened to all the dudes in my unit that had. There’s a reason older warriors pray for peace, but don’t hamstring there ability to defend their loved ones.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

Those men stared into the teeth of the Devil himself. They knew beyond a shadow of doubt what “wrong” and “evil” looked, tasted, felt, and smelled like. It is a horror they could never fully communicate, but it is one we clearly should have taken to heart more.

[@rethinking_reality]

You used a lot of words to say nothing at all. The “Greatest Generation” could also be known as the most traumatized generation. They came home from the war, suppressed all memory of it, and gave birth to the chaotic upheaval of the 60s and 70s. They were exceptional for what they did during WW2, but there is nothing exceptional about the lives they lived when they got home.

[@NJGuy1973]

​@@rethinking_realityThey didn't exactly do a great job of raising their kids, did they?

[@ChickVicious237]

Bret Weinstein and Heather's version of this is something like "it's fine if you want to experiment with gender (as adults obviously), but you need to have a very robust and secure military to protect the space you choose to do this in." This was in response to the US military's migration toward prioritizing woke policy over merit and common sense.

[@kennethmeeker6369]

You can’t have your cake and eat it to is what I would tell them. Experiment in private!

[@mattng4707]

💯

[@lkae4]

Liberalism is fine as long as we keep out the socialists. What do we call liberalism that bans socialism?

[@Mcarthywasright]

We see where their experiment led - Which was to go after the psychologically vulnerable, the impressionable and children

[@What-he5pr]

Why should robust soldiers defend a disgusting and godless society of sexual deviants?

[@ashishjain149]

Not just the depth of his argument which comes from his own understanding but also how well read he is. Brilliant Peterson as always.

[@markkeogh2190]

He is not well read. He hasn’t read TLOTR. Just seen the film ( as is clear from what he says ) You can do better than JP. He is a charlatan leading people up the garden path.

[@khatack]

Because they are neither good nor liberal.

[@darthlaurel]

Thomas Sowell's Vision of the Anointed.

[@LTlondon]

God bless you both ! You’ve been such a blessing in my life since 2018 ❤❤❤

[@rons.9678]

Dave with his husband organised to deny two innocent children their father own mother via a surrogate. In my book this comes close to homicide in evil

[@nortonsnale5968]

I'm from the west coast of the U.S. If you look at the history, all the strong, tough, individualist men, had to come here and tame the wilds, fight off the wolves, fight off the hostile indians, log the land, and build the towns, so that all the liberals could come to places like portland or san fransisco to settle down and start complaining about all the men that made it safe for them.

[@kenaldri4923]

As Fred Armisen of Portlandia once said, "young people come to Portland to retire" (and say things like "keep Portland weird"). Yeah, and along with that they come to demonstrate against anything and anybody they don't like, torch government buildings, praise ANTIFA, and scream at motorists from their bikes. And so all the good, tough people that tamed the wild that came before them are now moving out. Now do you know what happens to cities ONLY inhabited by young people who moved there to retire? Well come to Portland today and maybe you will find out. :)

[@jadeespot]

Great, so go back to Mississippi and tell me how great your Trump cult logic operates in real time

[@kenaldri4923]

@@jadeespot Why pick Mississippi and not Texas, or Florida, or Idaho? So you pick a poor conservative state and not a thriving one? The logic is not flawed, it just works better in some states than others.

[@nortonsnale5968]

@@jadeespot It works the same, because Mississippi had to be made safe for little beta boys like you too.

[@edwardharley9]

@@kenaldri4923 decades ago I used to visit Portland from Vancouver BC. Loved it. Rhododendrons. The Best Whole Foods. Rooster Rock Park. Lewis and clark trail... so much to do and see... never again.

[@philnelson4630]

Everytime he says “what would you say…” it’s like the chefs kiss, the icing on the cake! I love hearing his discourse!

[@MarcusN-kp1jn]

I think it feels performative. He knows what to say, but throws that in every now and then to make it seem like he came up with it on the spot.

[@annette2326]

No one ever thought a Republicans could be caring, charitable, and compassionate because our values are values are old fashioned. Old fashioned=rigid. I don't think children should be born out of wedlock, but I want that child to have safety, food, shelter, and an education. I don't hate that child or their mother. Love of my fellow man is not mutually exclusive to any one political party. I saw it all collapsing 1968 as a 12 year old. Horrible times if you were very young. The fabric of existence was shredding. Regular people started to behave as badly as people on tv and in Hollywood. For example: my friends and I all thought the word divorce, was a curse word. That's how innocent we were at 12, watching everyone who had car keys, go insane. Parents included. My little friends and I, took a right hand turn: looking for stability.

[@jenhorn5859]

You must be talking about hippies. When we said peace and love, we only meant it towards people who thought exactly like we did. I was a teenager, but it took me decades to realize we were all full of it

[@thomasjorge4734]

Yes, I thought 1969 was my turning point. I saw a flag flying that was ripped, adults leaving garbage on the side-walk. Some movie being advetised called Midnight Cowboy that I thought was a Western. And the Nuns who taught me were no longer mentioning Sin. I could feel something was changing, but did not understand. I felt lost.

[@annette2326]

@thomasjorge4734 Yup. War and bodies on tv just before dinner. A few short years before it was the Micky Mouse Club. I couldn't watch TV. I just cried all the time. My parents hated each other but could no longer contain it "for the kids". 10 years later they broke it to us that they were divorcing. THEY WERE SHOCKED THAT WE ALL LAUGHED AND LEFT. They utterly had no idea we lived there and watched (and were even participants in the physical) fighting.

[@humantacos9800]

This is essentially what I used to call “the freedom paradox.”

[@ysf-d9i]

There's no paradox. Freedom is toxic and always has been. The greatest disservice western ideologies have done for humanity is to worship freedom over goodness, responsibility.

[@chrisalister2297]

When one side refuses to see their actions as an imposition to the other side, you will never reach a compromise.

[@khatack]

That's not the issue. The issue is that one side is enforcing a suicidal ideology that is in polar opposition to reality itself. The conservative values must ABSOLUTELY be imposed on the liberal side. We've seen what happens when we don't impose our values.

[@Funsiestype]

You say same about abortion rights or access to birth control? We need to recognize the BS on our side as well.

[@marshalllapenta7656]

That's the PROBLEM WITH THE LEFT AS OF THE MOMENT....... NOW THAT TRUMP WON I CAN SEE THE LEFT BEING NOT AS RADICAL IF THEY WANT TO WIN IN THE FUTURE......

[@sport7553]

@@Funsiestype everyone already has abortion rights and access to birth control up until conception

[@bigdiffas]

@@Funsiestype So what you sayin that abortion rights needs to be removed?

[@MrBacchus18]

Was not expecting some LoTR talk but I'm here for it.

[@eylonemuskson4177]

As per usual, Mr. Peterson explains this concept so damned well...

[@hanakrausova3351]

Some of my favourite people. Always pleasure to listen to

[@saucyrossy3698]

Wish these former moderate liberals would grow a pair and acknowledge that the arithmetic to determine where a person falls on the political spectrum has irrevocably changed and that the 'good liberal' is now firmly conservative. Self identification here holds as much water as William 'Lia' Thomas saying shes a chick.

[@sugarshack5129]

100%. Well said.

[@Wind_Falcon]

Liberal/conservative is an irrelevant distinction. Now the liberals are the problem, 15-20 years ago the conservatives were the problem (actually back in the 80s the conservatives were the politically correct censorious side). The only description that matters and everyone should band against it is authoritarian. Both liberals and conservatives can be authoritarians.

[@DiehlStacey91]

The change has happened so fast that many of these people haven't caught up. Conservatives have become populists and classic liberals and the left have become radical extremists. This reality hasn't been acknowledged by everyone yet, and so classically liberal individuals are still identifying with what liberals were a decade or so ago.

[@bobbyhulll8737]

As soon as bring up Alex Jones you’ve lost me

[@viperstriker4728]

As a conservative I want to conserve traditional marriage and gender norms. Just because me and the liberals vote for the same person does not mean we hold the same belief.

[@alysiaandjohnglass]

Based on Jung's psychological frameworks: 1. Jung emphasized that leaders must engage with both the conscious and unconscious aspects of the collective psyche. The "good liberal" tendency towards pure rationality and conscious reasoning would make them ill-equipped to handle the powerful unconscious forces that move societies and shape mass behavior. 2. Jung's concept of the Shadow suggests that "good liberals," in their emphasis on being reasonable and proper, may overly repress or deny the darker aspects of human nature. This would leave them vulnerable to being blindsided by eruptions of collective shadow material in society, and unable to effectively channel or contain such forces. 3. Through the lens of Jung's personality types, the typical "good liberal" exhibits strong Thinking and Judging preferences, potentially at the expense of Feeling and Intuition. This one-sided development could make them less effective at understanding and working with the full spectrum of human psychological needs and experiences. 4. Jung's work on archetypes suggests that effective leadership requires engaging with primordial images and symbolic meanings that resonate with the collective unconscious. The rational, demystifying tendency of liberal thought might make such leaders tone-deaf to these deeper psychological currents.

[@peggybruening4415]

Love Dr. Peterson and Mr. Rubin!!

[@rons.9678]

Rubin with his husband denied the mother of his two children via surrogacy. This is about as evil as one could get

[@joshnashofficial]

This is a well-balanced discussion that acknowledges imperfections on both sides while addressing the elephant in the room: the growing discrimination against conservative viewpoints.

[@patrickclarke8623]

I don't think it's an issue of conservative viewpoints being discriminated against. It's more likely the fact that anyone who, after listening to these two ramble on incoherently about nothing of any consequence, honestly believes that this conversation was 'well balanced' or provides any utility whatsoever, that that person's POV is simply not worth engaging in. It's not discrimination - it's just a tacit acknowledgement that these ideas are for the fairies.

[@4literv6]

Classic woke leftard elitist demonrat worshiper response right here!

[@whynotlin7998]

@@patrickclarke8623 Sure, you keep on deciding that their POV is "not worth engaging in", that's your prerogative. Good luck in 2028

[@Zalphos]

This discussion is not balanced at all. They point out valid criticisms of the liberal side but then ignore serious issues on the conservative side. They undo any good that could come from this chat.

[@patrickclarke8623]

@@whynotlin7998 genuinely, you think that two men talking about Hobbits and trying to link that to America in 2024 is worthwhile?

[@pamelavargas6811]

IF THE WORLD HAD FOLLOWED THE FIRST 10 RULES and wouldn't have had to write the 12 rules of the rules 😉

[@McD-j5r]

Nice conversation. Appreciated it!

[@jonchu3284]

Ow, you guys are educating me so much, thanks for your hard work and scholarship!

[@DeborahGrantham-xh6dn]

Why is it so hard to simply acknowledge that you are just plain conservative. I was liberal until I grew up and realized that what I had in common with the liberals was idealism. I feel very sad about many sad causes, homelessness, drug addiction, sex trafficking. The problem was I began seeing that throwing money and giving and caring doesn’t help. They must be personally motivated to help themselves. Liberals don’t help they waste money and resources.

[@viperstriker4728]

Do you wish to conserve traditional marriage or redefine it to include same sex?

[@QED_]

@@viperstriker4728 The dynamic that Peterson and Rubin are discussing here . . . recognizes an inevitable process in which "conservative" perspectives are modified to accomodate legitimate "liberal" changes. For the marriage issue, one such proposed modification was to separate the "traditional" social-religious aspect from its political-economic aspect. This would have included, for example, retaining marriage for heterosexuals . . . while introducing a rigorous civil union structure for non-heterosexual relationships. That's the direction the conversation was going . . . before the Supreme court intervened.

[@AzyrealLal]

Exactly Reaganomics for the win. I would rather give handouts to the wealth class and watch all of that sweet sweet prosperity trickle down to the poor.

[@AzyrealLal]

​@@viperstriker4728 Oh no, 😮 gay people exist and want to be treated like human beings. Cant have that

[@viperstriker4728]

@@QED_ I wish I could agree with you, but that was what the conservatives were proposing as a compromise. I have brought that up to many people that support gay marriage and every last one rejected that compromise. The reason is usually because some fear that the civil union won't be equal to marriage, but if that was the real reason we could literally just reference the rights of marriage in the law. This is a religions battle on both sides to control the definition of the word marriage. Though we also have to ask why the government is giving economic benefits to gay marriage as it doesn't produce kids.... which is the only benefit to the government from marriage.

[@aaronwhite1654]

Hi I watched all your lectures and read your recommendation of literature and I found the most potential human mind is self thought. Very simple.

[@panzer00]

Conservatives are supposed to gate keep. Now it's up to the moderate MAGA Party to bring us back to the center and hopefully reset the political spectrum.

[@jonah9861]

The secular state will keep pushing Christians to pray ‘inside the wardrobe’, regardless of the politician at the helm.

[@SeanSnow-u7u]

As a independent I support you MAGGOTS ❤

[@darylfoster7944]

I don't see the Republicans or maga or whatever silly label as being in the center. They favor military empire, and populist/nationalist/isolationist economics. The center is the Libertarians.

[@darylfoster7944]

I don't see the Republicans or maga or whatever silly label as being in the center. They favor military empire, and populist/nationalist/isolationist economics. The center is the Libertarians.

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

@@SeanSnow-u7u Looks like someone's joy was stolen.

[@Arielelian]

Reality exists in a harmony of “truth and compassion”. Truth without compassion is a realistic, but cold and even harsh world. This is the world that conservatives tend to uphold. Compassion without truth is a delusional world, which might “feel” good but is destructive. This is the world that liberals tend to uphold. That’s the ultimate conundrum of humanity. We can’t and even refuse to find that harmony between truth and compassion, therefore we’re always choosing between two destructive extremes.

[@ElBromoHojo]

This is just basic system theory. You can't optimize a system and its subsystems at the same time.

[@Arielelian]

@@ElBromoHojo I prefer to look at it as relational harmony. Because even in optimizing a subsystem, one must keep the end-goal of the greater system in mind to ensure the subsystem serves the greater (i.e. begin with the end in mind). And that's the relational harmony. Else, we get what the Germans refer to as "verschlimbesserung" (i.e. in an attempt to make things better, one actually ends up making things worse).

[@bape890]

I believe truth and compassion were reconciled in one, as Jesus Christ. The way, the truth, the life. One of the many reasons His claims hold so much weight.

[@Arielelian]

@@bape890 On a related and broader standpoint, "truth and compassion" is one of the harmonies of God's character. I call them the 5 Divine Harmonies, as revealed in the Bible. They are... 1) Truth and Compassion 2) Law and Grace 3) Justice and Mercy 4) Wrath and Love 5) Holiness (i.e. set apart) and Humility (i.e. relationship) When we examine the social and political struggles of humanity, the primary pattern that arises is the loss of these harmonies. Soft on crime policies is "grace" without law. Warmongering is "wrath" without love. And often, these harmonies are broken up by gender, with men leaning toward the attributes on the left and women leaning toward the attributes on the right.

[@JoshuaHopkins-j9o]

Rhetoric... murdering a baby is wrong... compassion for narcissistic sociopaths serves no purpose

[@brettwhitesides7595]

We are born liberal we grow up to be conservative.

[@kb9gkc]

Yes, if we grow up mentally!

[@markkeogh2190]

No we are Born nothing - then brianwashed to be a conformist.

[@markkeogh2190]

The fact that you can express this in public without any sense of shame is a great sadness.

[@JedSaidTherapy]

The evident becoming less evident (reminds me of Isaiah 5:20)

[@scottmgso]

Maybe this is where Orwell borrowed from. Thank you for sharing.

[@613harbinger316]

I've argued that Conservatives and Liberals are like a Father and Mother (using generalities). The Father is the stern one, the disciplinarian, makes and distributes the money, applies punishment, defends the home and enforces the rules. The Mother is empathetic, gives comfort, provides second chances (often-times without telling dad), encourages and tries new things, spends money on the essentials _and_ the niceties, makes the home look good and coordinated, gets Father to change his mind when it needs changing, etc. The problems start when either one of them becomes the one voice to lead the family. The hold is too tight or too loose and it all goes to hell. They both should lead the family, hand-in-hand, as a team.

[@viperstriker4728]

The father leading is less fun (such as Rome in every way the analogy can be applied), but it is stable. The reverse is not true.

[@Mcarthywasright]

To expound on this - There is a political theory that purports from the 1960’s til 2024 we were ruled my the “Suffocating Mother” with a progressive, feminist, civil rights and liberal zeitgeist. The Suffocating Mother was optimized by the thing we can’t talk about (censored) from 2020-2022. The, “I will smother you to death because I love you” spirit. This has leg to the creation of the next spirit of the age - The Vengeful Son. Examples of the Vengeful Son can be seen in the Gamestop stock purchases by young men to hurt the hedge funds, in the election of Donald Trump, in Elon Musk seeking Justice of his son’s transition saying, “The woke mind virus killed my son.” The Vengeful Son won’t just be the young or men, it will be across the board and all ages. What is particularly notable and enticing about the Vengeful Son is - It will feel good.

[@jonah9861]

The Leader of the family is Christ.

[@AzyrealLal]

Ever since Nixon, many abandoned the conservative party. In order to maintain their ranks they had to appeal to anger, hatred, and bigotry. Nothing stern about the right. All they do is cry, throw tantrums and try to figure out ways to harm marginalized groups.

[@viperstriker4728]

@@jonah9861 Depends on what you mean by leader. Christ is the king, he sets the goals and gives the orders. But when your squad marches into battle for the kingdom of heaven, who is at the front of the squad? The person in the lead is going to take the most fire from the enemy.

[@braddo7270]

Oh wow this is the first time I've been early!! Love from the UK to both of you, and PLEASE SAVE US 😭🙏😂😂

[@markfish8539]

our prayers are with you brother. may God restore the glory of your country.

[@jonah9861]

The British mocked Christ, laughing blithely, like teens, for ages.. now they need to be saved.

[@braddo7270]

@@jonah9861 😂😂😂 shut up

[@braddo7270]

@@jonah9861 that's cute peasant, pipe down.

[@carriebastedo3552]

I learn so much from listening to your podcast. Please for all of us, keep up the exemplary work you do. ❤❤❤

[@padioneal]

Wow truth is liberating!!!

[@jefferyharshman3319]

John Adams would agree. "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other". We need the foundation that comes from moral and religious truths to maintain the value of the individual and those social values worth conserving and ironically, we need conservatives to preserve a liberal society and prevent it from collapsing in upon itself by insisting that individual worth is only determined by membership in the collective and whose identity is defined by the exercising of group authority.

[@obake6290]

I rather think our Constitution and system of government shines the most in an immoral and broken society. Why? Because it's horribly inefficient. A bad actor will find it just as difficult as a good actor to accomplish their goals. Even a multitude of bad actors with conflicting goals will just end up arguing and not doing too much damage. It's rather genius. Only recently have we had the critical mass of ideologically-aligned bad actors necessary to really put the country in danger of collapsing. As opposed to a monarchy / dictatorship. Highly efficient command structure. But as soon as you get one bad person in there everything collapses.

[@AndrewGrey22]

Right off hand before watching this, I would say it's because they are too self-centered and their alleged acts of "compassion" are more self-serving virtue signaling. You can't rule or lead successfully if you don't genuinely care about and for the people for whom you are responsible.

[@viperstriker4728]

Bilbo in the shire was their example so you actually nailed it. It's not until the end where he says that he will stay because the dwarfs don't have a home that he becomes selfless.

[@MarcusN-kp1jn]

The Hobbit analogy is brilliant.

[@DanielMaat]

I appreciate the LOTR analogy (hobbits as liberals and Strider/guardians as conservatives), but it breaks down when you consider that the Fellowship itself is a blend of both-not one or the other. Ultimately, the story culminates with the king bowing before the hobbits, highlighting mutual honor and unity rather than division.

[@karenshea7877]

Where the analogy breaks down is the hobbits are more Amish libertarians. They managed to destroy the ring because of their humility.

[@chrisalford2951]

You could argue that the hobbits who joined the Fellowship were transformed into "conservatives" by the hardships they all endured. At the end of the movie, with them sitting at a table, not speaking, keenly aware they don't quite fit in anymore with the other hobbits.

[@MarcusN-kp1jn]

You win, sir.

[@MarcusN-kp1jn]

@chrisalford2951 Jordan needs to do a full lecture going down this seemingly endless Hobbit analogy rabbit hole

[@chriscampanozzi6516]

Gentlemen, fantastic information. Thank you.

[@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773]

When your young and watch A Few Good Men, you cheer foe Tom's character. When you get older, you realize Jack Nicolesons character speech had a point. After he was hauled off. The General was correct, the military gotten soft. They recruited a man with a known health issue. Had the military been stricter in its selection vs filling quota the incident would have never happen.

[@NJGuy1973]

And Col. Jessup, along with Lt. Kendrick, was willing to throw two good Marines under the bus to save their own asses.

[@davidbowick7830]

This is an unusually great interview! No wasted words.

[@jays1198]

Not judging Rubin's soul, but I have to take him with a grain of salt regarding matters conservative... 🙏

[@goodpumpr]

I'm genuinely surprised that content like this is still available for us on KZbin.

[@WardHammond]

The Cherokee have two chiefs. One for peacetime and one for war.

[@MommaARA]

The people who are reluctant to be in power are the ones to take up the task. They think hard about their choices, self-sacrifice, and are the first to admit mistakes. They are also the first to leave a seat of power so someone else more fitting can fill the task. They won't seek to stay longer than is needed. Term limits need to exist in the sense that a year in, if you have proven to do nothing we get rid of you. Every position that directly impacts people's lives should have a microscope on it and every choice. Reality and facts don't need versions and excuses.

[@LionAstrology]

Lost in the dross of materialism, under the grips of Vulcan much of the masses are in the process of separating the wheat from the chaf globally.

[@SandraForde-o5f]

Good afternoon Jordan ❤ your brilliant mind!

[@bobconnor1210]

This is pure gold. From gate-keeping to the twitter shadow-banning debacle.

[@clifcody]

holy moly. those twitter details are insane!

[@Kate_Kestrel]

I’m seeing lefties boycotting X like mad for Bluesky claiming Musk has turned it into a hellscape. 😂😂😂

[@AzyrealLal]

Technically he turned into a right wing propaganda machine. Antithetical to his claims of fighting for free speech. More right wing lies.

[@aanticlockwisethinker]

The "self-evident" has always been manipulated to give a view that's palatable. The truth is that a lot of people have been hurt by America's quest for its greatness. The kind of liberalism that exists today is a distraction, rather a quest for solutions. And the type of conservatism that exists today is a snobbery against the oppressed.

[@TheMagnificentTube]

Wise man. Good video.

[@tsunami2447]

Very insightful

[@joesalyers]

When the Liberals in America a few years after 9/11 stopped calling Islamic Jihadis as Terrorists and started referring to them as a marginalized minority community that is when the ability for the American left to properly rationalize things stopped. I'm not sure if this happened during the Iraq invasion or after but when Liberal started getting mad when you called a jihadi a terrorist I knew something was wrong. As a life long Libertarian (normal kind) when I saw that change I stopped even considering Democrats for any office even at the local level and even if I knew them on a personal level.

[@trogglepope9792]

At first I thought the liberals were as sincerely anti-war as libertarians, for the same noble reasons. Over time I realized that Jacques Ellul was right: They were never anti-war, just antagonistic to their own civilization and simps for all our enemies.

[@AzyrealLal]

Waaaaahhhh People aren't falling for the same racist BS that i fall for Waaaaahhhh, I need a safe space and echo chamber

[@rufuscoppertop330]

I believe the education system is ultimately at fault here. That and the media. Children should be taught history. In detail. In depth. They should not be able to graduate from high school without a decent knowledge of history.

[@dashcammer4322]

Because there aren't any good leftists? Leftists - that's what most people mean when they say "liberals".

[@darthlaurel]

Because they are always beholdened to their "friends" and keepers. That's why.

[@eccehomer8182]

Correct... the current left is far from "liberal". Liberal is almost by definition centrist, but its proponents have a tendency to become authoritarian to achieve their desired goals. The "borders" must always be protected... conservative... for the people to remain... liberated. The best society is a balancing act... and at the moment we're wobbling!

[@kinbolluck476]

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[@Mcarthywasright]

@@eccehomer8182 Correct. Rfk jr. and Tulsi were liberals and they were expelled or were self-removed. The Leftists are all that remain and they are ideologically progressive. Meaning, there is no end to progressivism. They will keep pushing and fighting for increasingly more insane social engineering and dystopian legislation.

[@viperstriker4728]

Dave Rubin is a good liberal, he is talking about himself here. Actually quite humble.

[@dawnova93]

Everything in moderation. Even good can be poison if there’s too much, ie compassion open mindedness tolerance

[@GirdsHerStrength]

I think Gad Saad refers to “terminal compassion.”

[@AzyrealLal]

Conservative hate Jesus would be rolling in his grave over all of the compassion the left shows to the marginalized groups that i seek to tread upon to elevate myself. Quick, someone find me a hate filled echo chamber

[@AzyrealLal]

Deeeeeeeerrrrrrrpppppp I identify as a Christian. I think im a big tough guy and I find kindness empathy and compassion disgusting. Spread the hate of conservative Jesus 🙌🙌 Praise my false idol trump

[@Brent-z2s]

Courage is the most important virtue without it none of the others matter. They turn over the reigns of power to the thugs and they never hand them back.

[@viperstriker4728]

It takes courage to be a tyrant too. Self sacrifice can never be anything but love.

[@Brent-z2s]

​@@viperstriker4728 it depends if you are born into the position or rise into the position for courage. For love 💕 a lot of times it's self love.

[@markraftis]

No humans will get lazy and fat and forget about our lessons down from history. We humans will need to be reminded of the lessons of life. I my self am 64 I need to be reminded.

[@GraceHarwood88]

That’s a cracking suit, Dr.

[@KL-nj9oe]

I have zero respect for Jack Dorsey.

[@elizabethporter6398]

Hes a traitor basically

[@c.galindo9639]

Yes when a new entity takes over your sanctuary. You have to make allies with others who can be trusted like an outlet of your former affiliation with the group you formerly agreed with. I would say a huge shift in ideals has been underway for quite awhile and that to better gain the reigns of former glory and cohesion. A better undertaking has to be formed to better cement the wrong sort of change from furthering its influence in separating what kept the sanctuary alive and thriving

[@Dolmio24]

In regards to the Lord of The Rings I would argue that the Hobbits represent traditionalism, they are a people who very much focus on family and living well in their own lands, they have absolutely no concern for the outside world and do not seek to change the world, it is their strength of simply being content which gives the Hobbit their power and does not allow the one ring to take effect of Frodo during his quest to destroy the ring because Frodo like all Hobbits has no desire to change the world or remake it in his own image hence the ring cannot corrupt the worst aspects of him because their is none, which ultimately allows Frodo to carry the ring the longest and the furthest of any in Middle Earth. Of course by the end of the story Frodo has carried the burden for too long and the Ring is destroyed by Golum, which I suppose you could see as an analogy that evil will always destroy itself in the end.

[@xRiddleMeThisYouTube]

Golem was a hobbit.

[@t.k.5844]

​@xRiddleMeThisKZbin he was actually one of the Riverfolk, who were very close relatives to the Hobbits. Also by the time he 'destroys' the Ring he's really not much of anything anymore beyond some weird gremlin-person, but your point still stands.

[@viperstriker4728]

Take Bilbo as the example, is that not a liberal becoming a conservative? I think you have a point about the shire as a whole. But specifically Bilbo's life in the shire is a good analogy for a liberal.

[@samplebum]

Nerds

[@alejandrobaus468]

An Argentinian poet (Alejandra Pizarnik) says "The cage becomes bird, and flies, and devour my hopes". We tend to have strongs opinions about "cages", all the things that limit us, but without "cages", in the presence of absolute freedom, we lack objectives, meaning and direction.

[@josephfredrich698]

Its time to conserve

[@downtostandup]

What makes me angry so very angry is those who were blue and now changing over to red. They have no consequences

[@MarcusN-kp1jn]

Those who do it in a sneaky way, I agree.

[@ryanrevis827]

What I don’t understand is why the individuals who perpetrated these acts of silence of their perceived enemies, are not publicly identified. Not just the CEOs and boards but the actual employees. They are also responsible not just the bosses. And I bet we could use that data to cross link into other platforms like Facebook or Reddit to find them doing similar acts on those platforms, but not being paid. If they were identified it would make solving the problem much easier.

[@GeoFry3]

There is no such thing as a good liberal. Like saying a wholesome knot-zee.

[@JimmyMFP]

The issue with ethics is they seek to make the playing field level for everyone; inherently this is a tireless task which never ends, but it ultimately drags everyone down to the same level, rather than up to a higher level. Moralists recognise that merit show be rewarded, and work encouraged, as to provide for everyone by trying to drag people up.

[@SF2036]

Conservatives cannot explain the self evident without help from Classical Liberalism.

[@paoDAtt]

I wonder if we ever get to see Gabor Mate & Jordan Peterson? 🤯

[@albertfromgc5599]

gabor mate should first become aware of his own limitations before pontificating about Israel engaging in "genocide".

[@clifcody]

thanks!

[@GraceHarwood88]

Every idea that is enacted with good intentions, can be inverted by the nefarious, especially where money can be made…

[@drummertheangelwolfandxytr5678]

Those who are blind to their own defects don't see destruction. They see progress.

[@noneofyourbusiness3553]

Leadership is a position of servitude. We are to be electing leaders, not rulers.

[@AddictedToMore_]

Started my channel because of JP. Got sober and got on meds and have never felt better. Follow me if you’d like to see my journey. JP is the man

[@CrybabyBaghdadi]

@@AddictedToMore_ Will do

[@iamplay797]

No thanks

[@TaraBruno76]

This makes so much sense now ! Thank you pops lol joking I just look up to you A lot for growth and knowledge 😊

[@b.alexanderjohnstone9774]

Only a virtuous society can be Liberal. As Liberalism has no breaks, no limiting principle, those restraints have to come from the people, a serious, civic minded, virtuous people. I think.

[@carolskydancer2778]

Bravo 👏 👏

[@upredge]

Let's take this opportunity to make SELF-EVIDENT, self-evident again!

[@peachmango5347]

Warning - when explaining the "self-evident" to people in the grip of today's phone lifestyle - many will exclaim "I already knew that!" and become a threat

[@Vincentthecatsings]

You can't run a country like a pre-school charity driven by emotions. No matter what.

[@danielmorillo8953]

Extroverts not letting introverts talk

[@3bladeninja21]

Extrovert and conservative are not the same thing

[@eccehomer8182]

@@3bladeninja21 I think you have the OP's meaning the wrong way round.

[@3bladeninja21]

@@eccehomer8182 either way extroverted or introverted does not confirm your political leanings

[@eccehomer8182]

@@3bladeninja21 No it doesn't. I think the point the OP is making is that a few noisy people are/were dominating the narrative.

[@lemmymororhead1733]

Basically, Vermont & Maine can be liberal and still have a clean, safe, high trust society with liberalism; the same cannot be said for new york, new jersey, Maryland, California, etc. All those states are extremely low trust and multilingual...

[@robedmund9948]

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - Michael Hopf And the cycle continues.

[@NJGuy1973]

So where are the strong men being created from these hard times?

[@clifcody]

so interesting

[@piotrstaniek84]

I'd love to hear Dr.Peterson analyzing Tolkien's mythology and archetypes. I saw him mentioning LOTR on YT, but a full on analysis or an interview with someone connected with Tolken would be epic⚔️

[@jonah9861]

Tolkien was a devout Catholic who split Christ in 03 characters: Frodo (who bears the sin in his breast), Gandalf (Resurrection), and Aragorn (the Real King).

[@bennichols1113]

Yay. You can't beat groups with individuals, you have to have another group.

[@maverickmegastar]

How do you define something so basic as undefined? That is the insanity of it.

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

Johnathan Haidt’s research indicates humans have five core social instincts which inform our moral values and how we should structure our societies. His research also showed that self-identified liberals lacked most of those instincts, while self-identified moderates and conservatives have them all. This is scientific evidence for the claim in this video that liberals can only function in a society maintained by conservatives. This simple truth, that the left must be subjugated by the right if the left, and society, are to survive, will either become the law in our society, or our society will fail.

[@viperstriker4728]

Don't forget the libertarians that only had one (and had to have the test redefined because originally that one wasn't measured and they just measured as having no morals of any kind lol).

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

@ Yeah, and that redefinition of the testing criteria was so obviously political that it’s easily set aside, which means libertarians truly have no social values. They are just hyper individualized. Haidt, sadly, suffers from a bad case of Einstein’s Dice Syndrome; he can’t accept the obvious implications of his own work.

[@viperstriker4728]

@@theodoremccarthy4438 The categories in such a test only exist to describe the relations between peoples answers. So if you find there is a set of people with consistently correlated answers that are separate from your defined categories, then it makes sense to define another.

[@terry4137]

“Good Liberal!” Lol

[@darrellpowell6042]

They did in Britian for 100 years. Thank you Britain for Human Rights, Rights to a fair trail. All under liberal Britian. The US used to be liberal and now lurches left or right, never in last 20 years does liberals in either party get votes.

[@theconfettipoet]

That IS pretty cool! 😎

[@calebgroncki6045]

“As long as the perimeters are defended by the decedents of ancient kings there can be freedom inside the walls.”

[@MirthMichigan]

Thank you, Dr. PETERSON 😂🌻

[@boardtodeath46]

What they are not talking about is everyone has the capacity to be conservative or liberal when needed. It’s that conservatives can be liberal but liberals find it difficult to be conservative. A nation that can self govern is a healthy nation

[@robertbastiencote4284]

Maybe it's just the way the world "liberal" is interpreted these days. But to me it is a person who believes in liberalism: life. freedom, property. The primacy of individual rights, the presence of a free-market system and most of all a state who's power is kept in check by these "counter-powers" and who's main role is to uphold the law and protect individuals and their property from violence and abuse. It is also a strong defiance in giving such a state too much power, as a powerful state always become predatory. Society is organic and it and it should stay that way. This "far left" thing has more in common with a cult or a tribe than freedom: censorship, dogma, excommunication and exclusion of non-believers? Are you kidding me!? A good liberal cannot rule because he or she understands that solutions don't often arise from the top, but that problems often do. Also the individuals who want power end up doing more harm then good, even if their intentions are noble. Why rule if your objective is to limit the importance of the ruler in the first place? There are better ways to contribute for most people. However a liberal also understand the importance of stepping in to protect those rights and freedom when necessary. It shouldn't be a complete free-for-all, else why even have a state? Civilizations and societies have evolved organically towards this and things are good that way. I have been aligning more and more with the conservatives over the years and will continue to do until the "progressives" cease trying to bring back censorship and authoritarianism.

[@GwennKelsey]

awesome

[@adamraisch2470]

The problem is with the insistence that we need someone to rule. The "good liberal", (in the non corrupted meaning of liberal), would be the promotion of the only real version of equality. Where submission to authority comes only at the level of the individual. All other versions are an attempt by humanity to be, in some manner or another, their own god and, by such determination, the god of others. We who truly "wrestle with God" do not spend our time contemplating by what mode and means we may make a better version of reality. We seek to yield the false pretence, that in us exists such an ability, to the One who actually holds that power.

[@cat67834]

That makes sense.