Why the Ivy League Class Controls America

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Analyzing Finance with Nick

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@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
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@RealHomeRecording
@RealHomeRecording 2 ай бұрын
they only control us because that second amendment hasn't been exercised enough. The founding fathers were very intelligent men. They also warned us about central banks/fiat currency.
@FredQuijada
@FredQuijada 2 ай бұрын
Just wanted to point out you forgot to mention Brown at the beginning. Great video though, very informative and accurate (full disclosure: I went to Brown for grad school)
@Sillytake1705
@Sillytake1705 22 күн бұрын
⁠@@FredQuijadaBrown undergrad here - amen
@keysunlocked466
@keysunlocked466 2 ай бұрын
I thought this was pretty spot on. I think most of the Ivy League success comes from people who come from families that are already wealthy, not individual merit. As someone from a middle class background who through athletics got a scholarship to Deerfield Academy and then went on to be a recruited athlete at an Ivy. Internships and job opportunities have more to do with family connections than your grades.
@korosuak
@korosuak 2 ай бұрын
There are still opportunities for those who earned their place based on merit. The system isn’t perfect but it’s still more meritocratic than other countries. The cream does rise to the top.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@cliffpinchon2832
@cliffpinchon2832 2 ай бұрын
lol sounds like you got in through athletic ability, not grades.
@cap1913
@cap1913 2 ай бұрын
I would also say that ivy leagues don’t have much to offer; if you are autodidactic, it is usually better to study topics on your own with online resources.
@Sam-kp2ly
@Sam-kp2ly 2 ай бұрын
That is not my lived experience regarding internships and job opportunities. Perhaps (generously) 200 people in my Ivy graduating class got some kind of job help via family connections, and that is across all fields, not just finance/consulting. What IS messed up is how early you need to be investment-banking-conversant to get an IB internship now that recruiting has moved up so early. You should talk more about that.
@edwardchang2210
@edwardchang2210 2 ай бұрын
I thought my Ivy League law degree would be my ticket into the ruling establishment class but being short and having Chinese DNA closed more doors than the Ivy League degree opened. I was tolerated by the establishment elite overlords so long as I knew my place, which was to do all the grunt work that enabled the establishment's wealth, power, and prestige.
@JoaoOliveira-rk8gv
@JoaoOliveira-rk8gv 2 ай бұрын
The world sucks man
@JoaoOliveira-rk8gv
@JoaoOliveira-rk8gv 2 ай бұрын
I have friends who are trying to enter one institution that belongs to the ivy league from abroad and they are almost for sure going to fail because they are white men from Europe. In their application they have to sob and make themselves victims to earn a shot against the "marginalized" women from other continents who have lower grades. The world sucks so much ass. Your experience sucked but DEI is also straight garbage.
@en-zh-lyrics
@en-zh-lyrics 2 ай бұрын
I find that there are two feedback loops in play. The first is how Asian Americans are expected to be the “model minority”, which is clearly not a complement. It suggests the idea of hard work, obedience, and “knowing your place”. But meanwhile, a lot Asian parents also value those things and indoctrinate their children to be obedient. So in the end, you are being taken advantage of both your hard work and lack of assertiveness.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
That’s too bad, but thanks for sharing your story.
@mactobarry
@mactobarry 2 ай бұрын
Chinese in CA here, couldnt speak for others, but personally I will never jump back into the self pitty hole again, when u put everything against you because of race and looks, whole world turned against u which is not true and enjoyable. But I find many times ask and show up matters way more than sit for a hard degree and expect things to happen. Hard world we living in(24M)
@en-zh-lyrics
@en-zh-lyrics 2 ай бұрын
Also Greek clubs are another “secret society” where people make connections. I even hear that many Greek clubs have answer keys to past exams which senior students pass down to junior students, and since many professors do not update their exams every semester, those in the Greek clubs have a competitive advantage since they already know the answers, while everyone else had to study hard to receive decent grades.
@deliciousvegans4505
@deliciousvegans4505 2 ай бұрын
This isn't a secret, most frats and sororities have past exams. I wasn't in a frat but my friend was and gave me access. Now a days I'm sure there are past exams for courses posted online as well.
@raul0ca
@raul0ca 2 ай бұрын
Every instructor knows this. Back when I taught chemistry I used to have review sessions for the whole class where I'd cover past exams so not only those who were in clubs or had access to them knew what was going to be on the exam. On the more difficult math classes I had the instructors would give previous exams and you could sit with them to go over the especially hairy problems
@en-zh-lyrics
@en-zh-lyrics 2 ай бұрын
@@raul0ca I’d say most students forget at least half of what they learned after the exam. Only those with a passion for learning will eventually integrate what they learned into their own framework. That’s why PhD is called a Doctor of Philosophy, because you are supposed to have a “philosophy” of your own.
@Discovering_world-jj1yj
@Discovering_world-jj1yj 2 ай бұрын
Of course that at every school the older students know what is at the exam. It’s up to everyone to be proactive and make friends to get their experience.
@soundmoney4all24
@soundmoney4all24 2 ай бұрын
@@raul0ca Not every professor cares enough to do this lol
@adamgorski51
@adamgorski51 2 ай бұрын
I grew up lower class and graduating from Cornell university (1999) changed my life I would never be financially upper class now if it wasn’t for my experience
@Anton43218
@Anton43218 2 ай бұрын
How did you change?
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your story
@stachowi
@stachowi 2 ай бұрын
unfortunately you were the actually smart person giving the school it's reputation, meanwhile your rich and elite classmates are riding off your back.
@russ5049
@russ5049 2 ай бұрын
"It's all a big club, and YOU AIN'T IN IT!"
@marcofthebeast4153
@marcofthebeast4153 2 ай бұрын
I was a supervisor at an Ivy League school and these kids are extremely focused on their academics. Most of the first year and second years have never even been on a date. Furthermore, the resources and tools that these students get access to is vast. Business students have access to Capital IQ, Factset, and Bloomberg terminals.
@tj-co9go
@tj-co9go 2 ай бұрын
To be fair, most people in my highschool or university have never been on a date here in Finland. That's because everyone is an incel today, and afraid to talk to people at that age, and Finns are very introverted
@Brodragon2225
@Brodragon2225 2 ай бұрын
​@@tj-co9gowhat even girls.I thought Finnish girls and boys have a*x at 13-15 and you are calling yourself lonely
@invictus3966
@invictus3966 2 ай бұрын
@@tj-co9goyour just a loser scandinavia has the most sex compared to the rest of the world
@priceless2353
@priceless2353 2 ай бұрын
Having access to the Bloomberg terminal is insane, that’s pretty cool.
@Arnsteel634
@Arnsteel634 2 ай бұрын
@@tj-co9gonot Finland too
@tiomoidofangle102
@tiomoidofangle102 2 ай бұрын
As a Yale graduate, I can testify that it is neither privilege nor merit. It is pure luck. They have categories of people that they are looking for, and if you check the particular boxes that they are looking for when your application comes up, then you're in. If you don't, then you're out.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing
@tiomoidofangle102
@tiomoidofangle102 2 ай бұрын
@@AFNick Sure, you have to have prime qualifications, but ALL applicants have those, or they don't even bother to apply. That can't be called 'merit' because if it were just merit they'd pick the top X percent based on SATs and grades. But if you're part of that pool, it's just a lottery.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
That’s why prestigious universities need to expand the class sizes. It can be easily be done without diluting the quality of the student body
@eventhorizon88
@eventhorizon88 2 ай бұрын
They have to meet the diversity quota.
@onlyscams
@onlyscams 2 ай бұрын
@@AFNickIt would reduce their prestige. Prestige schools are like luxury goods, the more they cost and the less they admit, the higher their perceived value
@en-zh-lyrics
@en-zh-lyrics 2 ай бұрын
I really recommend reading about Pierre Bourdieu’s theory of habitus, economic, cultural, and social capital. Connections fall into the social capital category. People from different class backgrounds also tend to have different “habituses”. For example, people like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg can afford to make riskier decisions such as dropping out of college, because they were born in upper middle class families and have plenty of safety nets to fall back on if they fail, and this effects their risk assessment.
@tj-co9go
@tj-co9go 2 ай бұрын
Very good recommendations! La Distinction (in English, The Distinction) is something every one should read
@NarrowShouldersOpenMind
@NarrowShouldersOpenMind 2 ай бұрын
Agreed, except William Gates III was unambiguously from an upper class family.
@indeoo_
@indeoo_ 2 ай бұрын
Interesting fact, for the last 50 years the amount of students in Ivy league grew by 34%, while US population grew by 65%, which means that's over last 50 years Ivy league education became even more exclusive.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
That’s the problem
@michaelsani1844
@michaelsani1844 2 ай бұрын
Great video as always! Wanted to provide an interesting quote I read on the internet: "Attending an Ivy-Plus instead of a flagship public college triples students’ chances of obtaining jobs at prestigious firms and substantially increases their chances of earning in the top 1%." Many people say that those who made it into the ivy league by merit would have been successful going to a state school. I honestly think that's a bit facetious. I went to an ivy and knew many low income / first-gen students who would have never even learned about investment banking or consulting if they had attended their flagship state school. For first gen / low-income students an ivy league degree has immense benefits. That being said, due to class barriers there are many good students who are not able to attend these institutions.
@bArda26
@bArda26 2 ай бұрын
Another observation is that undergrad degree from an ivy or stanford is way more valuable than a grad degree. It first sounds nonsense but going to ivy for undergrad shows that there's a good chance that you are coming from a certain background. You also build stronger bonds with your friends which will become your network soon.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
It definitely is. It’s much more difficult to get into the Ivy’s for an undergrad than it is for admission into one of their grad schools.
@thinkingcitizen
@thinkingcitizen 2 ай бұрын
@@AFNick undergrad admissions is also more biased towards raw IQ and writing ability while grad admissions will reward professional experience and time management more
@scottjackson163
@scottjackson163 2 ай бұрын
@@bArda26 For admission to graduate programs at Stanford for the social sciences, you are looking at an acceptance rate in the vicinity of 4%.
@RobertMJohnson
@RobertMJohnson Ай бұрын
Depends. If you can get into a top medical school or top law school, the sky is the limit. If you go to Arizona state and then do a PhD from CalTech, Stanford, cal or MIT in CS, you can write your ticket. There’s too much opportunity now with the labor shortage and coming shortage in the next 20 years
@soccom8341576
@soccom8341576 27 күн бұрын
@@RobertMJohnson Really? Then why is it so difficult to find a job in certain areas?
@Macandcheeseenthusiast1214
@Macandcheeseenthusiast1214 2 ай бұрын
Very true. I currently attend what many may consider an ivy plus (Emory) and the opportunities we have are simply amazing. I have friends at ivy leagues and I wouldn’t say there’s too much of a difference in the opportunities we get. I’m a sociology and data science major and am currently set to make at least 100k post-grad in consulting…which mainly targets these ivy/ivy plus schools. As someone that comes from a poor background, it’s a crazy reality! Both of my roommates parents graduated from MIT and they’ve recommended me for a few internship opportunities. Crazy stuff! I’m forever grateful
@diorGirl.
@diorGirl. 2 ай бұрын
Put me on
@vwpanda8403
@vwpanda8403 2 ай бұрын
They just naming anything as ivy plus now 🤦‍♂️
@Macandcheeseenthusiast1214
@Macandcheeseenthusiast1214 2 ай бұрын
@@vwpanda8403 yeah I guess so lol. Probably bc there’s similar outcomes
@vwpanda8403
@vwpanda8403 2 ай бұрын
​@@Macandcheeseenthusiast1214 regionally, I think Emory is exceptional. However, I think the Ivies unique advantage is their networks that expand far beyond their local areas (something Emory does not have).
@literatinyc
@literatinyc Ай бұрын
Emory is Emory, a great school, but, you don’t have to call it a ‘Ivy plus’, sounds tacky, instant eye roll.
@nunyabidness3075
@nunyabidness3075 2 ай бұрын
This explains the grading system at ivy’s where everyone gets a good GPA. If you graded on a curve, the half who aren’t top students would get crushed and the money would and status would stop flowing in.
@friendlyfire7861
@friendlyfire7861 2 ай бұрын
Not really. The gentleman C used to be just fine. It'l really just that they have gotten soft like the rest of society--it's hard to be the only one maintaining standards although that by itself just speaks to how they aren't setting the standards anymore. And there is a lot of fakery, such as with the plagiarism scandals.
@bennyksmusicalworld
@bennyksmusicalworld Ай бұрын
Princeton/Cornell (ivies) and MIT/UChicago (Ivy plus schools) have VERY challenging academic environments. I go to Northwestern and it isn’t that much easier either
@Llama_vet
@Llama_vet 2 ай бұрын
Not what you know but who you know. Go to the games, go to the events, shake hands.
@SummersJourney-d5d
@SummersJourney-d5d 2 ай бұрын
I'm surprised that you didn't include Brown. The U.S. treasury secretary and many others in prominent positions went to Brown for their liberal undergrad education. Bank of America's CEO, Brian Monihan is also a brown alum. As an aside, I have noticed that a number of left leaning think tanks funded by the Rockefeller foundation (John D. Rockefeller Jr graduated from Brown) and left leaning media outlets (CNN was created by Ted Turner, brown alum) tend to have links to that school. Andrew Yang who is best known for pushing universal Basic income, is also a graduate of Brown and Columbia Law. I find it interesting that a lot of left leaning ideology can be linked to some affiliation with Brown.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
I did include Brown. It’s one of the eight Ivy League schools. Brown is definitely the most politically progressive and free spirited of the Ivies.
@theprogen2003
@theprogen2003 2 ай бұрын
Very interesting topic. One exception to the private school advantage is the New York public magnet schools. Stuyvesant, Bronx School of Science, Brooklyn Tech, etc. Stuyvesant, for example, has an Ivy League acceptance of 25%.
@joyoflife1832
@joyoflife1832 2 ай бұрын
If you had an opportunity to go to Stuyvesant or a tier 1 boarding school which would you choose and why?
@theprogen2003
@theprogen2003 2 ай бұрын
@ probably boarding school for the networking opportunities and lighter workload. If you are focused on STEM, you might get better internships and research opportunities at Stuyvesant, though. But many if not most of the people who go to the top magnet schools in nyc come from families from the working or low middle class. They also get into top 20 schools at a similar rate as the elite private schools. So it’s a great opportunity that allows people from less privileged backgrounds move up.
@JK-gu3tl
@JK-gu3tl 2 ай бұрын
Asian percentage?
@mitchelllukovsky6197
@mitchelllukovsky6197 2 ай бұрын
@@JK-gu3tlNative New Yorker here, it’s 70%+ Asian.
@taekxm
@taekxm Ай бұрын
@@joyoflife1832 I went to stuyvesant and graduated with an 88 overall bc covid tanked my academics. Only applied to Cornell for ivy leagues which rejected me. I'm in a small liberal arts college and now I'm trying to transfer colleges for my next junior year. I'm more interested in music/business so the STEM focus in Stuy didn't do much for me. The high school name alone helped me gain internships though
@YoLo-hx3cs
@YoLo-hx3cs 2 ай бұрын
You are the most important KZbinr on earth. This isn't an understatement man. The work you do for shedding light on money is more important than any entertainment nonsense anybody can consume.
@aguysaid5457
@aguysaid5457 2 ай бұрын
Due to ny circles I have come across a few people who studied in the Ivy league schools. They have to always plaster around where they studied. The only guy that's pleasant is from Thailand and he never mentioned that he went to Yale. Someone else told me about it. He is by far the most accomplished out of the rest and his dedication to his family is absolute.
@mSantsnj
@mSantsnj 12 күн бұрын
Reading that while in in TH lol. Nice. They are very docile and humble people.
@Maytrx
@Maytrx 2 ай бұрын
The cast system in America!
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
I wouldn't say we are a caste system yet, as even Ivies can be accessed via merit. However, I have been considering doing a video about the possible formation of one in the Western world.
@David.Isaac.147
@David.Isaac.147 2 ай бұрын
​@@AFNick Yes! Please do a video on that!
@user-hn9qw7ou8d
@user-hn9qw7ou8d 2 ай бұрын
⁠@@AFNickI’d like to see the data on how likely a non-recruited-athlete non-legacy non-Jewish white heterosexual cisgender male with no disabilities and who comes from a lower-middle to middle class background is to be accepted to the Ivy undergrad programs compared to other demographics with equivalent GPA and standardized test scores.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
They are definitely underrepresented versus their ratio of total population. The question is to what degree and how much it matters.
@user-hn9qw7ou8d
@user-hn9qw7ou8d 2 ай бұрын
@ I’d love to know just how underrepresented. I was accepted, but I was a recruited athlete. I never met one from that particular demographic, even with perfect test scores, who was accepted. That’s why I ask.
@diegoyanesholtz212
@diegoyanesholtz212 2 ай бұрын
Some colleges are outside the Ivy League but are informally Ivy League schools, universities Stanford University, MIT, and Duke University just to name a few.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
I would add the University of Chicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and Berkeley to that list too. UCLA, Notre Dame, and UVA are close, to the cut line as well.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
It’s up there with MIT for best STEM school
@ZEFFENWULF
@ZEFFENWULF 2 ай бұрын
@@AFNickthrow in Johns Hopkins, Rice and Carnegie Mellon
@TheChinaPlay
@TheChinaPlay 2 ай бұрын
@@AFNick I've published a peer-reviewed paper on university endowments. I can tell you that is correct, it can make more sense by looking at the size of the university endowment. This is a fascinating topic. Having worked in academia and having lived in China the Ivy League schools come up. My conclusions are graduates are marginally better at being students, and no better at being employees. Ppl want degrees from there for their own self image or prestige. It's similar to college sports, while many come from strong programs like Alabama football or Duke basketball, it's not a lock they were inherit the earth. Unless you're from the higher class going to an ivy is preparing you to be a great worker bee, much like the Chinese guy says above.
@sprezzatura8755
@sprezzatura8755 2 ай бұрын
How about Harvey Mudd college?
@marcuse423
@marcuse423 2 ай бұрын
I saw this during my matriculation at an Ivy (Business School). I’m not from a wealthy background and a minority. Scholarships and grants enabled me to attend. My experience was eye opening and the networking/connections made are the sole advantage. It can be seen as unfair with the leg up you get at an institution like this. It does open doors and has surpassed my expectations in terms of investment & ROI.👨🏽‍🎓
@MK-lm8te
@MK-lm8te 2 ай бұрын
Love that this topic is being covered. I’m currently reading this book called Ebony and Ivy by Craig Steven Wilder which covers the history and founding of American Universities, specifically the Ivy Leagues. Very interesting, thanks!
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing the book.
@RonRon18470
@RonRon18470 2 ай бұрын
I went to Brown for my Masters degree and worked as a research scientist at the University shortly thereafter. I can tell you from first hand experience that success post grad depends a great deal on how much you’ve networked and/or participated in certain clubs while a student and also how much you’ve kissed ass.
@vanillavania.
@vanillavania. 2 ай бұрын
How do I “brown-nose” without making it seem obvious that I’m “brown-nosing”
@MorgansTrainClips
@MorgansTrainClips 22 күн бұрын
This explains so much. I’ve always performed well academically but am very shy and admittedly horrible at networking. I’m not sacrificing my dignity and ass-kissing for prestige points, so any amount of work I put in simply doesn’t matter.
@frickfrack1725
@frickfrack1725 2 ай бұрын
Merit can’t exist above Capital. Wealth beats merit every time
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Wealth is mostly earned by merit in the modern era. See my video is every fortune built on a crime for detailed thoughts on this
@frickfrack1725
@frickfrack1725 2 ай бұрын
@AFNick “it’s who you know not what you know” Merit: Quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward Any successful individual I’ve ever met who has any humility at all has acknowledged they are only there because others have them a chance, even if they weren’t the best. Labor data shows networking is more important than direct skills or ability. Merit is literally not as good as soft skills and connections. Usually people with lots of money hire others who have lots of money or at least can fit into their social and financial class network. It’s not rocket science, it’s a social science. The marketing of an individual is with average ability can and will beat talent because of how humans socialization works. (This doesn’t include any protege level of talent/skill as that is an outlier statistically) But who knows. Idk I’m just a dumbass on the internet
@frickfrack1725
@frickfrack1725 2 ай бұрын
I’m just nitpicking the use of “merit” I have no real qualms with your takes, I mean I’m watching your channel so you got some things good to listen to
@bradyp69
@bradyp69 Ай бұрын
@@AFNick No it is not. Not anymore. Wealth is earned by assets. Merit is for income and income is dead. We are now in an asset based economy.
@mmurd
@mmurd 28 күн бұрын
@@AFNicknaw you lost all credibility with that one😂
@Cubby9999
@Cubby9999 2 ай бұрын
They were billionaires because they come from wealthy families that can afford the cost and prep to get into Ivy League not because Ivy League produce billionaires.
@vanillavania.
@vanillavania. 2 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@celica9098
@celica9098 2 ай бұрын
One example is that wealthy parents will pay for SAT preps with 1-on-1 tutors. Or the student won’t have to worry about getting a part-time job and can focus 100% on sports & academics.
@Cubby9999
@Cubby9999 2 ай бұрын
@@celica9098 Just being part of a stupid rowing team of some expensive private school gives them a leg up in Ivy League admissions.
@friendlyfire7861
@friendlyfire7861 2 ай бұрын
@@celica9098 As a tutor, SAT tutoring can only help so much. You need raw IQ because the SAT is really an IQ test in spite of what they say. Also, the more intelligent and diligent can do side gigs and still study, and in fact it's a truism that "the more you do, the more you CAN do."
@celica9098
@celica9098 Ай бұрын
@ Let’s assume you have a rich kid & a poor kid of equal intelligence. The tutoring would make a HUGE difference. This is from first hand experience as a tutor myself.
@debtfree.degrees
@debtfree.degrees Ай бұрын
I thought the world prized those who work hard. Then I moved to San Francisco. If you are wealthy, you go to an Ivy. If you go to an Ivy, you are handed a job at a FAANG company or top consulting firm.
@jameswill175
@jameswill175 2 ай бұрын
The biggest difference is between the elite boarding schools and public schools. John Taylor Gatto investigated it and made a video about it. Some of the things I remember him saying about boarding schools: 1) From a young age, lots of writing without much emphasis on grammar rules (that comes later), just write! Write a diary or personnel journal, write fictional stories too. For example, you can start with a dog, a cat, and a horse, and write an adventure story about them. Write a lot! 2) Public speaking, they push public speaking from a young age. The audience can be 2-3 people sitting on a park bench, doesn't matter! 3) They learn about all the major religions of the world, public schools - no religion at all. 4) an understanding of human nature: what makes people tick. 5) The classics, learning how to think for yourself, the trivium. Grammer, rhetoric, and logic. unheard of in public schools. 6) Access to people of different professions, truckers, Plumbers, cops, doctors, local politicians, etc, etc. Write them a personal letter asking to shadow them for a day or more. There's more, but that's what I know off the top of my head.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the insightful comment
@marcmeinzer8859
@marcmeinzer8859 2 ай бұрын
While teaching catholic parochial school junior high I also guided canoe trips at a Canadian youth camp whose clientele were heavily enrolled in elite boarding schools. You are correct in your assertion that there is really no comparison between public school and boarding school. For one thing kids who go to boarding school feel like they own the world, which is not to imply that I found this to be disagreeable.
@MyTruth1771
@MyTruth1771 2 ай бұрын
This was excellent
@firstlast-pt5pp
@firstlast-pt5pp 2 ай бұрын
Singapore public school system is doing just that - they use maths to teach logic as well ( thinking is a skill )
@goodgrief888
@goodgrief888 2 ай бұрын
The term “corporate culture” is a way of saying “If you didn’t attend an Ivy (or at least a Pac 10) school you won’t fit into our corporate culture/won’t be invited to the yacht parties, wine tasting events, and won’t fit in. Sorry, that’s going to keep you from many jobs.” I went to a state university and found this to be true whether it was a law firm or a non-profit. Actually, non-profits are worse. Doesn’t matter that I was an honors student and the best in my class at my “low tier” university. I didn’t fit in with the elites.
@edwardchang2210
@edwardchang2210 2 ай бұрын
this is so unjust
@Tony-so1zl
@Tony-so1zl 2 ай бұрын
Those are just snobs. There are elites that are humble and see life from a different perspective. Trust me those people aren’t as happy as they seem.
@Citizen_
@Citizen_ Ай бұрын
PAC-10? I had to chuckle at this given the state of that conference now and the fact that they went from adding two extra schools to losing 10 schools since they were called the PAC-10; but I digress.
@goodgrief888
@goodgrief888 Ай бұрын
@ It’s just a way to say “West Coast Ivy League” since we don’t tend to have Ivy colored older buildings like on the East Coast. I believe the “Ivy League” is a term that came out of college football as well. I might be wrong, don’t correct me on that as I don’t actually care.
@elenriqueextraordinary2028
@elenriqueextraordinary2028 2 ай бұрын
Man I can relate to this to some extent ,I myself graduated from a top undergrad school in my country and the sentiment shared is here. As of now, I am in a law school that is considered up there in the country too ( biggest thing I notice is how they fill up government positions fast!)
@willschnack
@willschnack 2 ай бұрын
Important work you're doing here, Nick. And thank you for that. You're very knowledgeable. My take is that the fact that the majority of Ivy Leaguers are not legacy students shows that while the League may be responsible for assimilating the preferred members of the lower class into the upper (ruling) class, it is not itself the main mechanism by which the ruling class is maintained. The ruling class is that group of people who make rules others follow. Correlating to the three factors of production, land, labor, and capital, these are landlords, bosses, and capitalists, who establish rules for tenants, workers, and debtors. Their positions are maintained through the privilege of private property and inheritance. Ivy Leaguers represent the elites of the ruling class and offer a means of class mobility to elites of lower classes, so that through their acquired titles of nobility, essentially, they can gain access to the factors of production instead of solidifying into "counter-elites." Ruling class elites are basically the executive members of the ruling class. Lower class elites, if not assimilated into the ruling class, become counter-elites, such as labor, tenant, and debtor organizers, in efforts of socialism or anarchism, and are usually themselves assimilated instead into the managerial class through "business unionism" or "yellow unionism," despite their original opposition and refusal of full assimilation into the ruling class.
@bythewaterwithlove
@bythewaterwithlove 2 ай бұрын
Your content is very underrated…I appreciate the topics you discuss. Another great video like always!!
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@gregm4813
@gregm4813 2 ай бұрын
Holy crap. I knew Ivy League held an advantage over the rest of us, but not THIS much. I know you said otherwise in another comment, but as someone who comes from a half-broken family in the Deep South, this analysis screams "America's caste system."
@AntarikshRajkonwar
@AntarikshRajkonwar 2 ай бұрын
In India, its IITs and IIMs. Interestingly, most of the IIT Students immigrate to the US for higher opportunities. That's why you see, many corporations like Google, McKinsey are run by IITian as CEO or founder. (4/11/24)
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
I’ve heard top Indian school admissions make Ivy Leagues look easy just due to raw population numbers.
@Albacore877
@Albacore877 2 ай бұрын
I’m extremely grateful you made this video as it provides truth to what a lot of people simply don’t know. Great content!!!
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@adamanderson225
@adamanderson225 2 ай бұрын
It's just network building for elite status opportunities
@en-zh-lyrics
@en-zh-lyrics 2 ай бұрын
If you come from a disadvantaged background, then chances are you have to think differently from the way your parents think. You don’t want to inherit their “habitus” (read Pierre Bourdieu) or else you’ll not be able to achieve upward social mobility, because their “habitus” certainly contributed to their poverty.
@Anton43218
@Anton43218 2 ай бұрын
Even then, once you do this what do you do next?
@Citizen_
@Citizen_ Ай бұрын
@@Anton43218break more bad habits and continue to rise.
@kalimacho1
@kalimacho1 23 күн бұрын
Rat race
@fivestarsingh
@fivestarsingh Ай бұрын
Spot on. As a cornell student you hit the nail on the head
@diegoyanesholtz212
@diegoyanesholtz212 2 ай бұрын
There are certain hierarchies in universities, there are the Ivy League plus, then bellow there are the flagship state universities, and below that there is the second tier state university then come for-profit universities.
@kingknights5107
@kingknights5107 2 ай бұрын
College is Overrated..
@RobertMJohnson
@RobertMJohnson Ай бұрын
Unless your public graduate education is higher ranked and more elite than the Ivy graduate program.
@kingknights5107
@kingknights5107 Ай бұрын
@@diegoyanesholtz212 Nonsense.. Doing a Cost-Benefit Analysis for “Value” would put a lot of high quality public schools above Ivy League..
@MasterOfTheUniversePSD
@MasterOfTheUniversePSD 2 ай бұрын
My grandfather went to Princeton, then Harvard Law. Unfortunately he didn't offer any guidance in my education or application process... probably because he went to Princeton, then Harvard Law. I don't know about the graduates of today but his generation is of the hippie era and such people do not believe in dynasties. Maybe some of them grew out of it but those that I know never let go of their left-leaning activism, himself becoming a Civil Rights Lawyer. Ironically, he's a straight white man so he is now facing a lack of tolerance in the very field he chose to pursue.
@huwhitecavebeast1972
@huwhitecavebeast1972 2 ай бұрын
My parents are that generation. I hate that generation. I have never seen a generation before or since that was so resistant to information. Also they are the most selfish generation I have observed. The generations I have personally observed are the ww2 generation, the silent generation, baby boomer generation, millennials, gen Z, gen A, and I am young Gen X. Did I mention that I hate boomers? I really do.
@goodbro7846
@goodbro7846 2 ай бұрын
Lol. He got what he wanted. Your opportunities your forefathers left you will now go to a non European non Caucasian. That was the goal correct?
@TurinShroud
@TurinShroud 2 ай бұрын
@@goodbro7846 Seriously, his opportunities now go to the Chinese.
@diaprojectdiss2142
@diaprojectdiss2142 2 ай бұрын
@@goodbro7846 That's right. Admission for mediocre white men is no longer a given.
@goodbro7846
@goodbro7846 2 ай бұрын
@@TurinShroud yep, totally normal to diminish your own prodigy their future. Their opportunities, put down their past, put down your own forefathers and then work as hard as you can to hand everything off to foreigners on your way out. And think it's a virtue. What an amazing thing to witness.
@free_at_last8141
@free_at_last8141 2 ай бұрын
I can't help but notice that rates of legacy admissions to these organizations haven't been affected by "diversity" initiatives. I also can't help but recall that the first "Woman of color" to be a Professor at Harvard Law was Elizabeth Warren. I have had the privilege to work with HYPMIT geniuses, Nick here reminds me of them. Unbelievably diligent, competent, and driven people. I've also had the misfortune of "working" with Ivy grads who grew up wealthy, marry wealthy, and will die wealthy. Great video.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 27 күн бұрын
There was that African American lady who I think was President and forced to step down. Cant recall details
@WyattEmge
@WyattEmge 2 ай бұрын
Babe wake up Analyzing Finance with Nick just dropped another video!!!!
@Calidastas
@Calidastas 2 ай бұрын
I ended up working at a prestigious SV law firm where a solid half of the partners came from Ivy League law schools. I was worried I was going to be out of my league since I didn’t get into an Ivy. And … it was a non issue. I never felt I was outclassed by any other lawyer. It’s not that they aren’t good, it’s just that you can’t tell by meeting or reviewing their work product. I think we can make gross distinctions in intelligence with testing, but you can’t tell the difference between someone in the top 5% or top 10% through testjng. At all.
@joyoflife1832
@joyoflife1832 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Thank you for putting this info together for us. I’m REALLY looking forward to your boarding schools video!
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@schweinhund7966
@schweinhund7966 2 ай бұрын
No mention of US Military Academy; Naval Academy or Air Force Academy. They produce some outstanding well balanced/rounded persons too…. And I never met an Ivy League graduate (or Stanford; MIT; Johns Hopkins; etc.) in the military.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
There are plenty of Ivy League veterans, and they are very common in politics. Notable examples include JD Vance, George W. Bush, Pete Buttigieg, and Ron Desantis
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
West Point, AFA, and the Naval Academy are up with there with the Ivies in terms of prestige, but the service requirements narrow the pool of applicants.
@schweinhund7966
@schweinhund7966 2 ай бұрын
@@AFNick yet in 30 years of service I never met one. For example, Graham and Desantis were lawyers… not trigger pullers. I knew a number of USMA graduates but never MET an Ivy League graduate.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
@@schweinhund7966 Thank you for your service.
@ag90883
@ag90883 2 ай бұрын
There absolutely are officers who did undergrad at ivies. They primarily commission through ROTC, but I've met a doctor who did undergrad at Princeton. It's just not advertised because...well its the military and your undergrad isn't relevant(unless its from a service academy or other military academy)
@SC-sh6ux
@SC-sh6ux Ай бұрын
In my experience kids who are bright will succeed wherever they attend.
@whoever79
@whoever79 Ай бұрын
Be sure not to mention the Brazilians. They have disproportionate power in the Ivy League institutions and don’t like when you name them.
@followGreatness
@followGreatness Ай бұрын
Brazilians are that influential? Hmmmmm. Never seen them.
@jujuba5487
@jujuba5487 Ай бұрын
😂 brazilians in Ivy League? You are crazy!
@whoever79
@whoever79 Ай бұрын
@@jujuba5487 Brazilian = Jew
@Everysingletimeowitz
@Everysingletimeowitz 27 күн бұрын
⁠​⁠@@jujuba5487It’s code for the tiny hat tribe.
@madhusudan
@madhusudan 2 ай бұрын
As a great man once said, "It's a big club, and you ain't in it."
@JRMY3
@JRMY3 Ай бұрын
That was an excellent breakdown. I just wrote a blog on a similar topic touching on the education system and including the role of elite education.
@scottjackson163
@scottjackson163 2 ай бұрын
I turned down Brown in favor of Stanford (for a graduate program in Political Science). Stanford is the reigning “it” school, but I lost the opportunity to gain the imprimatur of a true Ivy League education. I had no legacy factor in my favor nor any connection to an endowment contribution. I also earned what most would consider a “sub-Ivy” M.S. at Johns Hopkins University. I work at the MITRE Corporation as a Principal Consultant.
@bennyksmusicalworld
@bennyksmusicalworld Ай бұрын
I mean… if you went to Stanford you might as well have attended H, Y, or P. There’s really no difference societally between these schools.
@t.s5806
@t.s5806 Ай бұрын
Undergrad is where the real prestige is
@juliemayhwang4469
@juliemayhwang4469 2 ай бұрын
To me, Ivy League is just a great accomplishment! something to be proud of. ✨ I can’t imagine what the legacy students at Harvard are going through. amazing. 🙇🏻‍♀️
@garrettpatten6312
@garrettpatten6312 2 ай бұрын
This comment section is amazing.
@batatavada7843
@batatavada7843 Ай бұрын
If one carefully analyzes rankings of the top 15 universities in engineering (QS, THE, USNews Global, NTU), Ivy Leagues typically don't make the cut (barring a Harvard here and a Cornell there) - it's always MIT, Stanford, Caltech, UC Berkeley, Georgia Tech, UI Urbana Champaign, UT Austin, Carnegie Mellon, and UMich; heck, even in business, Ivy Leagues are facing competition with universities like Northwestern, NYU, UChicago, UMich, UC Berkeley, MIT, and Stanford these days.
@fabriziopecerosgarcia7430
@fabriziopecerosgarcia7430 25 күн бұрын
Ivy Leagues only exists in social sciences, law and humanities, in engineering: 💀💀💀
@elenriqueextraordinary2028
@elenriqueextraordinary2028 Ай бұрын
I gotta add some stuff more, in certain countries there are Ivy-league level colleges/universities but their is a schism between the two or three positions of power ( for context I am not an American BUT I sort of have seen these three classifications from my own point view ) - Universities that create the new rich/ entrepreneurial stars in what we think of in the modern context/ people who joined new trends to make money - the old rich that will inherit the big businesses/ will be the one to acquire key companies to add to their portfolio. - the government/state worker elite. These people are the ones you see being commissioners/heads of state mandated/constitutionally mandated offices of government ( ones that can never be abolished ) and basically will have their children in these government jobs for life But a new and emerging one I have been noticing from my country is an elite that come from decent universities/ underrated colleges BUT picked courses that where worth it such as Computer Science, Accounting, Finance , Actuary and the like who will then join and work for atleast murmors foreign companies will then come back to set businesses we you never have heard of yet generate profit margins in the millions of dollars. People like these are either in the startup scene/ real estate/ passive investing side of things here. They use their foreign currency to basically buy things out and use business/professional education to make bank. One thing that sets them apart is that early in their career, they are the ones you see being sent to foreign trips or working in projects that are in top financial districts such as New York/ tech hubs in California for a temporary period then next thing you know they got their own business both in the country and either a branch/subsidiary in the USA or purchase old businesses there and make it was their own. ( I am sure you have met these people Nick, they work the hardest and you see them make most out of their foreign incursions if not become permanent residents in speeds most people dream of ) Hope this helps Nick!!!
@elenriqueextraordinary2028
@elenriqueextraordinary2028 Ай бұрын
As a foreigner myself , my best shot in the Ivy League are either PHDs and a good old MBA/LLM which I want since I am moving to the USA in the future ( just gotta finish my law school here and work for some time )
@helixzenith
@helixzenith 2 ай бұрын
11:21 correction. This example is outdated and the source saying all 9 justices attended Harvard and Yale was most likely written before Barrett’s appointment.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the correction. It’s still 8/9 despite less than 1% of graduates being Ivy League
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the correction
@onetallgirl78
@onetallgirl78 Ай бұрын
Don't forget about Amy Coney Barrett ... She didn't graduate from an actual Ivy League either. But she is part of the 1%.
@BuddyLee23
@BuddyLee23 2 ай бұрын
Nick - sorry if I missed it - I am curious if you have coined a name for your American Class Hierarchy conception/model. If you Google the term, it only shows single-pyramid traditional models, and yours is quite novel (in a good way), so it would be nice to know a specific term/phase if one exists. It would also help people credit you if/when others reference your model, now and in the future.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
I came up with it myself and just call it the American class hierarchy model or the dual pyramid of social class in America. If it needs a more unique name, call it the Pardini Pyramid of Social Class 😂
@adamrou12345
@adamrou12345 26 күн бұрын
A lot of people in the Ivy League started out by making their entire scholastic experience about getting into that brand college and as a result they study the brand thing to get the brand degree rather than discovering their interests making friends and getting really good at something they love doing so when they get that degree and that good enough job they feel disappointed when they learn that people care as much about you going to harvard as much as they do about al bundies state championship. Rich kids get sent to harvard to meet other rich kids not the best and brightest. If that aint why are you going there you are in the wrong place. You can be a successful real estate attorney by going to a state school and moving to a really expensive town.
@Tony-so1zl
@Tony-so1zl 25 күн бұрын
That’s why they get depressed. Money and status only get you so far. You still gotta face the person in the mirror and face the realities of life.
@wusselrestbrook4158
@wusselrestbrook4158 Ай бұрын
I have family that went to Yale and Columbia (and Stanford on the other side) and it’s mostly merit but in the case of my cousin who went to Yale, her dad made a huge donation and she was an athlete too so the admissions offices are greedy af also. With Columbia, it was generations back and they became professors after. With Stanford, they went for grad degrees and were already rising up in Silicon Valley. A mentor of mine went to university college London and came from a lower class family but that was in the 50s. I’d never send my future kids to an Ivy after seeing how they handled covid. Strictly SEC schools.
@KevinKimmich44024
@KevinKimmich44024 2 ай бұрын
One of my high school friends went to an Ivy League school, which was unusual for kids from my small town public schools (even though we had a good school system). She wasn't a genius or high achiever/intellectual nor was her family wealthy. Her mom knew how the application system worked, so she got in. Anyway, at her first job out of college in the mid 1990s she was making 6 figures as a project manager in tech--about $330,000 in 2024 money. She had no skills or knowledge in the field that would justify that--I don't remember her major, but it was probably something like English literature. It took me several years working in STEM, then in tech, and racking up credentials and publications/patents to make as much money as she did just starting out as a doofus new grad. It seemed like just another "track" system like the high school AP/college track sets people up for a professional job.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
It’s the top track for the risk averse. That’s why admission is so competitive
@RobertMJohnson
@RobertMJohnson Ай бұрын
This wasn’t the norm though. Your friend was an outlier. I know because I was a tech university recruiter in the 1990s and working for a billionaire.
@Wise_Mannn
@Wise_Mannn 2 ай бұрын
I will admit. I am a little jealous. I didnt do my best during high school. Still landed a finance degree from Texas A&M. One of my biggest regrets in life. 😢
@Tony-so1zl
@Tony-so1zl 25 күн бұрын
Don’t sweat it, you can always go back to school. Plus it’s not all that what you think it is
@tj-co9go
@tj-co9go 2 ай бұрын
11:30 this is a great point - what does it mean socially that all nine Supreme court judges are from Harvard or Yale? Will they all protect their common class interests? (Of being priviledged Ivy League students)
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
That’s a good question
@matthewmitchell68
@matthewmitchell68 2 ай бұрын
I will always say go to your local community college. 1. It’s cheaper 2. It’s equip for the local market, mine is FRCC and they are very aware of what local employers want in the workforce. 3. That degree is probably similar in value to Ivy League degree 80% of the time.
@matthewmitchell68
@matthewmitchell68 2 ай бұрын
My Ivy League school was BYU and UofU! I didn’t go there, but I’m probably just as well educated
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Ivy League education is not purely about the academic content.
@Tony-so1zl
@Tony-so1zl 2 ай бұрын
@@AFNickYou’re paying for the connection opportunities. Although people there likely already have a lot of those connections. 99 percent of people aren’t going to fall in the ivy category and that’s ok
@zerphase
@zerphase 25 күн бұрын
It's more than attending. A lot of the legacy money gives their children cheap loans to start businesses. While, new money has a working class ethos opposed to sharing wealth with their children. They'll pay for school, but they won't finance careers or private offices.
@kingtau
@kingtau Ай бұрын
Wow, this was really informative! Would be cool if you could do a video on the colleges that are not in the Ivy league but are prestigious and private just like the Ivy's. Such as schools in the patriot league, Duke, Vanderbilt, Vasser, Westlyn , University of Chicago, Swathmore, Cranegie Melon, SMU, Stanford (Which you touched on), Tulane, Oxdential College, and any other I may have forgotten.
@aecet9652
@aecet9652 2 ай бұрын
Please do a video on elite boarding schools as well!
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
It’s on the list
@bradyp69
@bradyp69 Ай бұрын
1. Between 40% and 60% of ivy students didn’t submit an SAT, and they perform as if they had a 1307 (per a Cornell study). The Ivy League is not merit based and no longer necessarily confers elite intellectual merit status. It’s a lottery. 2. The ostensible eliteness of an Ivy League is better income prospects, but income is dead because we are now in an asset based economy. The elite are not the Ivy educated, but rather the those with a decent education, but backed by family wealth. Even those who get that JPMorgan or McKinsey job are unlikely to be able to afford “elite” housing without family money. 3. Elite education is nice, but if you want to advantage your kids, you need to start transferring assets to them at a young age. It’s 2024, for those starting college heed my words: Merit is dead. Income is dead. Assets are king.
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 27 күн бұрын
SAT still matters? I Thought it was the ACT now and for the last 20 years SAT for like community college. To my understanding
@bradyp69
@bradyp69 22 күн бұрын
@@bevs9995 No, just went through it with two daughters, SAT and ACT both are acceptable in equal measure, some do both.
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 20 күн бұрын
@@bradyp69 I dont think so. The New Digital SAT of 2024 now has half the number of questions (under 100) with double the amount of time given. Meanwhile, the ACT math section is still much harder than SAT.
@dahliaherrod4301
@dahliaherrod4301 19 күн бұрын
​@@bevs9995that's a direct result of covid though. When students couldn't attend in person testing, admin started changing requirements and testing methods.
@bradyp69
@bradyp69 19 күн бұрын
@@bevs9995Perhaps the new SAT will be considered inferior to the ACT, but I saw no evidence for this in the last cycle. My DD scored a 35 on the ACT and 1570 on SAT last year. She felt the only difference was the science section.
@actoractor8572
@actoractor8572 Ай бұрын
Not true at 11:20 that all nine sitting Supreme Court Justices either attended Harvard or Yale law school. Amy Coney Barrett did not go to any Ivy League school.
@jasonrichardson0369
@jasonrichardson0369 Ай бұрын
You beat me to it.
@manunitedred8912
@manunitedred8912 2 ай бұрын
“When you buy rich people chocolate and I buy poor people chocolate, the chocolate we both eat doesn’t taste that much different, but when you pay tens of thousands of US dollars to prepare your kid from toddler age to compete for Ivy League places by the time they turn 18 and finish high school, that money You have invested in your child devalues the quality of education that the poor kids receive rendering them incapable of competing with your rich Ivy League prepped child.” I read something like this from the Meritocracy trap
@bilalabawi9064
@bilalabawi9064 24 күн бұрын
Same thing here in Australia. The elite universities also have a disproportionately high acceptance rate of extremely expensive private school students. I think it's a universal truth wherever you are that old money has power.
@nicholasfoo8025
@nicholasfoo8025 23 күн бұрын
Which universities in Australia in particular?
@patrickmoan4086
@patrickmoan4086 2 ай бұрын
You're not allowed to write for the Atlantic unless you went to Yale.
@GracieDontPlayDat
@GracieDontPlayDat 25 күн бұрын
Ivy will put anyone through their Mystery Rites they want to, even outsiders they need to control. If I worked at a LEA, I would definitely be curious why so many graduates have experienced soul death. -all in the movie, “Skulls”
@WineSippingCowboy
@WineSippingCowboy 2 ай бұрын
You forgot Brown University. I did not attend an Ivy League institution. Yet, I did have 1 teacher from Harvard. Being a San Francisco native 🌁, most of my teachers who received a degree from a major research institution are from Cal or Stanford. You are right ✅.
@TonyMoze
@TonyMoze 2 ай бұрын
Ugh! I love this education from KZbin 😒😍
@AYK-stronger
@AYK-stronger 2 ай бұрын
I think what surprised me was the admissions rate earlier than the 1970's. The fact that it was higher than I initially expected, compared to today's admissions environment.
@dahliaherrod4301
@dahliaherrod4301 19 күн бұрын
I think the application rate wasn't as high then as it is now. Most jobs didn't require a degree so those who went were mostly legacy or people looking to be licensed professionals like attorneys and doctors.
@nmmanhbu
@nmmanhbu 2 ай бұрын
I went to Iowa State University. Another good video. Thanks.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
You’re welcome
@sewnsew6770
@sewnsew6770 Ай бұрын
Thanks for your analysis I am an immigrant Since my kids are high schoolers need to examine these issues
@AFNick
@AFNick Ай бұрын
You’re welcome
@sewnsew6770
@sewnsew6770 Ай бұрын
@ both of my kids are good students How do you feel about state colleges especially the flagship ones? I attended university in Canada but was not impressed with my education Was a checkbox needed to raise myself from poverty so it worked for me eventually
@AFNick
@AFNick Ай бұрын
@@sewnsew6770 It depends on the state. The top 6 UC’s, Washington, Texas, Michigan, UNC, and UVA are all great schools.
@sewnsew6770
@sewnsew6770 Ай бұрын
@ what about Rutgers?
@anyamostek6113
@anyamostek6113 Ай бұрын
There is actually a class about this at Harvard called Meritocracy and its critics taught by Michael Sandel. I took it my freshman fall and it was very eye opening. Sandel made sure we all knew what kind of people were at Harvard
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 27 күн бұрын
Michael Sandel, I'll look him up. Anything on youtube?
@Jazzfestn
@Jazzfestn 27 күн бұрын
Who do you think will do better....a graduate of HARVARD, or, El Camino Community College?!
@AFNick
@AFNick 26 күн бұрын
Harvard obviously despite some notable alumni at the latter
@Tony-so1zl
@Tony-so1zl 25 күн бұрын
Better in what? Work and business? Family? Personal relationships? You can define success in many different areas of life. I could argue the CC person has a higher chance of really being happy
@AFNick
@AFNick 25 күн бұрын
@@Tony-so1zl Career success
@evan9-g5b
@evan9-g5b 20 күн бұрын
Bros name is earl 😂
@ilovefruitnveggies
@ilovefruitnveggies 2 ай бұрын
Good info .. keep going .. great content 💪
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! Will do!
@aecet9652
@aecet9652 2 ай бұрын
excellent video as usual Nick thanks man
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
You’re welcome
@Nikolasto77
@Nikolasto77 Ай бұрын
At the end of the day I don’t think the measure of success is where you went to school. The measure of success is how much money you make and there are plenty of millionaires who did not even go to school, let alone an “Ivy league” school. I’ve seen people who went to Princeton work in the same position as someone who went to a smaller “no name” school.
@AFNick
@AFNick Ай бұрын
Neither your degree or your money entirely define you
@Nikolasto77
@Nikolasto77 Ай бұрын
@ that is true as well!
@soccersprint
@soccersprint Ай бұрын
I don't know about that. Ivy league degree has not put me in the ruling class. I'm still on the outside looking in.😅
@nicolem889
@nicolem889 2 ай бұрын
Merit in this case equates to robotic talent. I’m not gifted at the formalities of writing for academia. I can write papers that my teachers enjoy, but I had never learned how to write researched material on the level of a researcher. I think that it does require a certain talent, and robotic mindset. I struggle just to follow instructions but I have managed to make how I function in school work for me. Most of life isn’t reliant on people educated by Ivy League schools. Those schools are useful in churning out high level worker bees who can perform mentally strenuous tasks. They are not geared to think out of the box so any other person does have a chance if they focus on one task, and master it.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Your comment begs the question on how ChatGPT and LLMs affect the value of an Ivy League education. As the quote in the beginning of the video says, it’s more about what you learn outside the classroom than in it.
@nicolem889
@nicolem889 2 ай бұрын
@ It does affect the Ivy League and also those who likely went to an Ivy League or are talented in this regard created those versions of AI. They’re in a loop, and it doesn’t matter until they misinform the masses through our media outlets. The question of to what extent does the misinformation that is flooding the internet affects the data bank that AI is pulling from should be asked. We will all be in a loop of misinformation.
@shepherdmyers
@shepherdmyers 2 ай бұрын
You completely missed the fact that Cornell is New York State's land grant school with a different tuition and admissions for NYS residence. All you need is to have a B or an average a from a community college or non competitive SUNY and you have good chance of being accepted. However you are limited to; NYS College of Human Ecology, The College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (CALS), and School of Industrial & Labor Relations. The Vet school also a SUNY is post graduate. Having done this myself (plus being apart of the ADA quota for being dyslexia) and known a lot low income farm kids there is back door into the Ivy's. Whether is is more of assist or liability I'm still not sure.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Good point on Cornell. Thanks for sharing.
@nitishmedi1711
@nitishmedi1711 2 ай бұрын
As a low income merit student, i would still prefer to balance between making connections with ultra rich somewhatsmart kids and academic genius than colleges like MIT or CalTech.
@Tony-so1zl
@Tony-so1zl 2 ай бұрын
Yet a lot of these people are depressed. Find God and realize that it doesn’t matter if you go to IVY or not. You’re valuable no matter what you do
@GracieDontPlayDat
@GracieDontPlayDat 25 күн бұрын
It does. We have run across quite a few who have experienced soul death by being tested by their own peers (the main purpose being to build a blackmail file on you, or have access to smear you, if you make it out). There is a reason underdog stories are so popular…
@Tony-so1zl
@Tony-so1zl 25 күн бұрын
@ then don’t associate with those people or find a better job. Life is too short to deal with crazy ego maniacs. The Ivy people I know don’t lead with that, they have enough self worth to not make it their whole identity. It’s sad hearing people make their college and network their whole identity. There’s people literally starving out in the world
@mambomambo2011
@mambomambo2011 Ай бұрын
It is becoming clear why u didn’t get in any Ivy….. SCOTUS has Amy Barrett….A ND law graduate….
@playmaker7331
@playmaker7331 7 күн бұрын
So is it practically impossible for a super smart, but impoverished black kid from the inner-city to get into an Ivy league school?
@AFNick
@AFNick 7 күн бұрын
Absolutely not. That person has better odds than an upper middle class white Christian kid does of the same intelligence level.
@AmorosoGombe
@AmorosoGombe 25 күн бұрын
It is hybrid. Merilitism.
@JK-gu3tl
@JK-gu3tl 2 ай бұрын
Thomas Jefferson founded UVA bc his Alma mater, William and Mary, became a social club.
@AtlantaSamurai
@AtlantaSamurai 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
You’re welcome
@humpteedumptee8629
@humpteedumptee8629 2 ай бұрын
Everyone in the comment section talking bout prestige, power, throwing around words like elite. Idgaf about any of that. I just want big bag of money and a one way ticket to a nice beach.
@richardloostburg2637
@richardloostburg2637 25 күн бұрын
People go to Ivy League schools just to make the connections in the undergraduate schools. Everyone graduates with a 3.8 GPA which is laughable
@brokenverdict9995
@brokenverdict9995 2 ай бұрын
I am from the UK and i am applying to Princeton for physics PhD. Not going to lie this video doesn’t give me much hope, even if ranked first place in undergrad, with research experience. Though UK has some issues with Oxford and Cambridge for similar reasons. I applied to Cambridge for undergrad and got rejected, however I have to admit they mostly only care if you’re are smart and interviews tend to be asking really hard questions in the subject you are applying for. There is still some benefits for being rich (but almost no benefits for being legacy).
@AnneALias
@AnneALias 2 ай бұрын
First gen college kid here who went to Ivy for professional school. Completely fucking different worlds
@paul-x2y4w
@paul-x2y4w 29 күн бұрын
Would it be a valid question to ask if this insularity of mindset, education and bias be a major problem for this country? We have people leading us in all facets of life who simply have little understanding of who we actually are.
@dantesinfernopurgatory7826
@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 2 ай бұрын
@AFNick - What are your thoughts on schools who are members of the Association of American Universities (AAU) - an association of 71 leading research universities in the US and Canada? Membership is by invitation only.
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
I think its a signal for more STEM/research focused grad programs more than the prestige of the undergrad or professional degrees.
@aaas6348
@aaas6348 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video, learned a lot. What books would you recommend for me to read about this specific topic?
@AFNick
@AFNick 2 ай бұрын
Read the news reports and findings related to Operation Varsity Blues
@TheGreatWasian_
@TheGreatWasian_ Ай бұрын
I never understood the value of Ivy League until I’m already about to graduate lol
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