Why The Monsterverse Worked & The DCEU Failed (Monsterverse vs DCEU) | FandomWire Video Essay

[@chadisnotachad]

One has Godzilla and the other does not have Godzilla.

[@Godyeater]

Well said.

[@Infinityc702]

One has Superman, The other does not.

[@RaydoBaconslayer]

@@Infinityc702 … But Big deity lizard cool! Suit Steel man Boring!

[@amrita_s8094]

​@@RaydoBaconslayeri am fan of both. Superman is not boring. Kingdom come was great. Death of superman was great. I hope that superman legacy will save the character

[@SoothinglyUnbenounced]

​@@Infinityc702 that explains why it constantly fails.

[@jahayaazizi1472]

The Monsterverse has done a better job to make a cinematic universe better than DCEU right now. The DCEU is now dead. The Monsterverse is still growing and I am thankful for the Monsterverse.

[@aryamanbhadauria1584]

True but the monster verse is not without issues such as too much focus on humans and less on the monsters, and the plot

[@e-roc6472]

DC, like Marvel also had more checkboxes to cover. Giants monsters dont require the same character arc as human heroes wud. Secondly, Godzilla was more popular in Japan. So when these newer Kaiju movies add their own original lore, less fans are gonna push back on said changes. The consistent thing most ppl complain about is the human characters in Monsterverse.

[@sebastiang.6941]

@@aryamanbhadauria1584 GVK fixed that my guy and so too will GXK

[@GladDestronger]

Something to point out is the Monsterverse hasn't pulled the Disney/Marvel & DC route of "diversity/inclusion etc." or whatever that crap that's infected 90% of Hollywood by now is called.

[@CobbleBompster]

@@sebastiang.6941the human characters are still sucky, regardless of how much screen time they get. Minus One does a good job of showing that it’s possible to have really good human characters in a Godzilla movie, but in the case of the MonsterVerse, they don’t need to be perfect, all they need is to be at least better than mediocre.

[@kamikazelemming1552]

This might sound weird, but another strength I feel the Monsterverse has is that each films ends in a way that feels like it could be the last one.

[@FandomWireOfficial]

Something the MCU could learn from. Self contained stories.

[@filaristillixusilan6109]

That's something I just noticed. And from what I can tell, you don't need to see all of the previous movies to get what's going on. I'm going through the Monsterverse rn, and I literally just barely asked my friend if I should watch Kong Skull Island before GvK, and he said I don't need to, they recap the story of that movie. (Nice because I don't have any of the streaming services that Kong is on)

[@diegoguzman8843]

Yeah but it also gave hints(Future Sequels) on the cave painting, drawing before the credits rolled. Except for Godzilla 2014 and GvK.

[@USSFFRU]

Short of Kong Skull Island where it doesn't really feel like it can end there. GvK and KotM hold that strongly.

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

Whatever happened to storytelling so that a story actially having falling action and an ending is something to be praised now? Yeah, the Monsterverse is really just doing the bare minimum there. It just so happens that the other big summer blockbuster franchises forgot they ought to as well.

[@gabrielpanagsagan9741]

Finally, a title that is positive towards the monsterverse, and not the "why monsterverse failed"

[@Chunkysdead94]

Godzilla would still be a small fandom that was only popular in Japan, were it not for the Monsterverse.

[@finleydoyle4913]

​@@Chunkysdead94 no?

[@MrAwsomeness360]

​@@finleydoyle4913Yes. Toho was close to permanently retiring Godzilla until the MonsterVerse saved the franchise. Without it, there would be no Shin Godzilla nor Minus One.

[@boalpear53]

@@finleydoyle4913 The other guy's right, toho were literally about to kill godzilla off until 2014 Godzilla saved and revived the character

[@Deinowharf]

@@MrAwsomeness360 Didn’t they “permanently retire” Godzilla like 3 times in the past?

[@SasquaDash]

Finally a video essay that respects the MonsterVerse while objectively looking at it's strengths and weaknesses, instead of blindly bashing it in order to prop up Godzilla Minus One.

[@jg3000]

Godzilla Minus One doesn't need to be proped up. It always feels like an apples and orange comparison anyways.

[@FandomWireOfficial]

Glad you enjoyed our video!

[@rickyrackey7930]

@@FandomWireOfficialAnother thing. Lesser and minor titans become fan favorites while New DC heroes became forgotten.

[@17denby]

@@jg3000which one is better because I like apples more.

[@AlFirous]

@@17denbyI like both

[@DangerVille]

When other cinematic universes have tried to stand toe to toe against Mavel, they all fell. Apart from the MonsterVerse, which stands tall above the rest. It will stand the test of time as a classic series of films, just like the Showa and Heisei era of Godzilla films.

[@CriticalErrorexe]

Yup. Also hi dangerville!

[@RADARMYBRAT32]

Truer words have never been said

[@Icy-Penguin]

Yea

[@TheLorePerson07]

Hello Jacob

[@Godzilla-jr5gi]

And even the MCU itself is failing now

[@XenoTronusWeePoo850]

What's great about the Monsterverse is that nobody has to find different actors to play the titans

[@treeckomain5327]

And they're who people come for

[@rcguitarcovers8614]

not really, behind that cgi are actually legit actors performing actions. like toby kebel for instance, he enjoys playing kong.

[@Arcad1010]

@@rcguitarcovers8614they probably talking about diversity 😂

[@austintrousdale2397]

😆 but valid

[@vibepatinus5879]

😂😂😂

[@GhostRose6500]

Another reason why the Monsterverse is successful, is because it gives the fans what they want. After 2014 fans wanted more monsters so KOTM brought in many more, though all lacked proper screen time. So that’s what they gave in GvK, more monster screen time, and it worked for them. Now having two films in a row with having a classic Godzilla Toho villain enter the Monsterverse, fans have been wanting to see a new threat Legendary can make on there own, one they’ve never seen before, which is exactly what they’re giving us this year, in The New Empire.

[@fr0stwalk3r61]

The fans know the material, so indeed it is best to listen to them. That's why so many film and video game companies are failing, because they AREN'T listening to there fans 😔

[@kingjohn8980]

The movies have also been getting brighter over time. People complained that G14 was too dark so over time they kept increasing the brightness with each film until in GxK, we have monster action in broad daylight.

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

​@@kingjohn8980 g14 was bright, it was the DVD transfer that made it dark. The 4k release already fixed that issue

[@daffaaoki174]

​@@Kaiju-bm4tsnah dude i saw it in theater it was quite dark. The released blu-ray version is brighter and revealed much more compared to the one played in theatre.

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

@@daffaaoki174 Dude the theater is dark already, the theater version was brighter than the digital version. The blu ray isn't brighter so idk where you got that info from when the main reason the 4k is even a thing cause people complained about the blu ray being too dark. Why else do you think there's so many brightened g14 scenes and some of them are blu ray? Why brighten the scenes yourself if the blu ray is meant to do that for you? Simply put, it doesn't.

[@omniviewer2115]

There's also the fact that they're taking time on each project. Rather than feel the pressure to churn out 2-3 movies a year, the MonsterVerse is just going one step at a time. Sometimes those are missteps, but it's easier to recover from one of those when you're not in a rush. Slow and steady wins the race.

[@kasaibouF29]

"The Tortoise wins." - Kratos

[@omniviewer2115]

@@kasaibouF29 "Yeah, yeah, the turtle always wins!" ~ Bugs Bunny.

[@Ratzilla_91]

Yeah all these cinematic universes started slow with for marvel only 6 movies came out in a span of 4 years, for DC it started in 2013 and the second film didn’t come out till 2016, and for the monster verse it started in 2014 and the next film didn’t come out till 2017 but unlike marvel and DC the monster verse is still slow when it comes to movies and I love that, it gives us fans time to hype for the next movie and speculate and process the past movies and it gives writers and VFX artist time to push out amazing work

[@JoseMiguel.]

Yeah, the Godzilla franchise has learned, a movie every year exausts the audience, that's the factor that ended every era(exept heisei wich ended so tristar's movie could shine, wich It didn't)

[@boshwa20]

Exactly. Legendary isn't putting out a timeline of movies to release over the course of a few years. Sometimes these projects just flashbang us out of nowhere. Like I was not expecting the Godzilla x Kong announcment

[@cayhill1311]

Seeing Mr. Yamazaki and Mr. Wingard promote each other's Godzilla films warms my heart as someone who grew up seeing Toho denounce Tristar's (half-assed, disrespectful, and insulting) attempt at a Godzilla film. The Reiwa era and the Monsterverse, living together in harmony. It's never been a better time to be a Godzilla fan.

[@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69]

As a longtime fan of the big G, I think we can safely say that we Godzilla and King Kong fans are eating like royalty.

[@vibepatinus5879]

Tristar Godzilla was a joke not the company made for producing it

[@vibepatinus5879]

​@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69I like the team up but we need another solo Godzilla movie

[@ellipticallyambiguousone7875]

It's funny how I still think 1999 was a good film. I get that many people don't, but it was part of my childhood I cannot think of it as bad. And I'm really thankful for that movie to introduce the great kaiju to me, because while it was common for anime or Western movies to be aired in my local TV stations, they never actually broadcast Godzilla movies (although we have series like ultraman).

[@dariodramac]

​@@ellipticallyambiguousone7875it aint a bad movie,it just doesnt make sense to be a "godzilla" movie

[@thataintfalco7106]

another thing that makes it better is that it's less of a "cinematic universe," and more of an era. We have two completely seperate godzilla eras happening at the same time. The Reiwa era(Toho's series of serious movies) and the Monsterverse era(America's more goofy blockbusters)

[@kingbash6466]

Been so proud that Godzilla has a cinematic universe in America that's still going strong to this day. It's gotten to the point where some people are more excited for the Monsterverse's future than even the MCU's.

[@FandomWireOfficial]

Isn't it awesome how Godzilla is crushing it in the movies? Excited for what's next!

[@benjackson5411]

That’s why Godzilla is THE KING

[@bretbuckley704]

The MCU is a rotting corpse desperately starving to be relevant again at this point. It became a joke after 2019, save for like maybe 3 movies post-Endgame. Marvel used to be a cinematic juggernaut, every movie was an event and everything built up to Thanos. Blowing up the box office and actually giving fans what they want. Modern MCU is a laughing stock, there's no stakes, too much coming out at once, every character has to be a comic relief, core characters like Thor are a joke now, CGI is getting worse, too much focus on prioritizing DEI efforts that nobody actually cares about. It's a clusterfuck to say the least. I officially gave up after Love & Thunder. MCU shills will blame the ol' "superhero fatigue" excuse time and time again for MCU movies underperforming or outright bombing. Godzilla has been my childhood in the late 90's and early 2000's and he has my adulthood in the 2020's. Big lizard still going strong after 70 years and we still want more. Ain't never heard anyone say "I have giant monster fatigue"

[@Sylmarys24]

I definitely am, as a hardcore godzilla fan for the past 20+ years

[@fr0ck360]

@@bretbuckley704and Star Wars desperately milking on nostalgia and fanservices with former non canon characters like Thrawn lmao

[@thefoxsaysno9951]

The monsterverse simply doesn't need anything like deep characters or complex stories, it just needs to find a way to have big ass monsters do big ass things, and it delivers every time

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

And that's why it will never truly reach the heights that I and others believe it could.

[@mira00able]

​@@mateuszjokiel2813o idk monarch legacy of monsters was a game changer

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

@@mira00able Was it really? About half of it was good and the film that immediately follows it seems extra low bar.

[@mira00able]

@@mateuszjokiel2813 I mean it focused on the humans more than the monsters while telling a pretty good story. it was not great but it's far from bad that is something the monstervers has not been able to do before

[@cesar6447]

@@mira00able nah, only the past plot, the present with the side piece family was trash

[@mariosdonatos4437]

The monsterverse is peak kaiju stuff. If they keep building up more lore it will become the definitive cinematic universe of all time !

[@zeno_xy9669]

I believe GxK could do it

[@ggrarl]

Lisa: Any ideas? (Homer draws a picture of Godzilla fighting Superman.) Lisa: Dad, I'm pretty sure Godzilla's bigger than Superman. Homer: Ugh, it's not to scale, Lisa.

[@leobuana7430]

The one time being simpleton work

[@FandomWireOfficial]

😂

[@professormultipurpose5244]

I feel like something that doesn’t get brought up enough when discussing GVK is that we FINALLY get another evil Mechagodzilla for the first time in almost 50 years! I understand why Mecha-G has been portrayed as mostly a heroic character throughout the legacy of the films, Kiryu and his connection to the original Godzilla not withstanding, but it just felt so GOOD to see a proper evil Mechagodzilla finally grace the screen again

[@user-oj6re6ju9t]

I find it really disrespectful that people compare the monsterverse to mcu and all the other franchises that blatantly spit at the face of those franchises. Monsterverse is made by people who respect the source material, and it shows considering the fact that japan likes this version of godzilla.

[@swordbrotherulbrecht3286]

very, very true. and considering the fact that the MV is also the catalyst that enabled our favorite atomic lizard to come back to the lime light through Toho as well, the MV deserves alot of praise, despite the issues.

[@Aenarion28]

The Big G and I have the same birthday. My son LOVES Godzilla as much as I do so when we go to the movies, we are expecting to see monster fights which are going to entertain us just like all the previous Godzilla movies have

[@JustAShyGhost]

​​@@Aenarion28 Fr! It still baffles me that people go to watch a monsterverse movie and dont go in expecting a fun time watching big kaijus fight and instead expect an oscar winning movie and then call them bad....

[@sohamshetty09]

The VFX in these films especially Godzilla 2014 is amazing though. Definitely Oscar worthy like with Pacific rim. Then again, oscars were always elitist snobs

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

Monsterverse slaughtered the dceu from day one. And that's coming from someone who grew up with both ToHo and DC.

[@Randomshit2727]

Because they actually care about the monsters, and made them pretty faithful

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

@@Randomshit2727 very true 😁👍🏿

[@Maretoast]

DCEU messed with wrong kaiju franchise- how dare they, i been rooting for Monsterverse all this time ngl

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

​@@Maretoastsame 💯

[@Randomshit2727]

@@Maretoast same

[@shinigamiryan5837]

Monsterverse pumping life into the Godzilla brand and giving two solo flicks that are considered masterpieces is always going to have respect.

[@FandomWireOfficial]

Indeed.

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

Masterpieces? Really, man? Putting them up there with Goodfellas, Se7en and Godzilla '54 just feels wrong. They're good popcorn flicks and I had great fun watching them, but that's really all they are.

[@Matt-qt1oh]

​@@mateuszjokiel2813 Hes probably talking about shin Godzilla and Godzilla minus 1. Godzilla minus one I would say definitely is up there.

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

@@Matt-qt1oh In which case I misunderstood and agree. Only I put Shin way above Minus One still.

[@victorhernandez5013]

It's cool that at first the Monsterverse started serious but after more Monsters debut the more it became more like the Showa era but in a modern coat of paint

[@USSFFRU]

and actually were funny like the Showa Era. It even takes itself seriously when it had to.

[@raydhen8840]

The tone shift work even if you included G14, since original Gojira also serious works compared to latter Showa era godzilla movies.

[@ShadowFungus]

@@raydhen8840 well, let’s just enjoy it this time because i’m 100% sure that in the near future it’s gonna be dark. Remember, Destoroyah and space godzilla are still lurki ng around from the shadows.

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

​@@USSFFRU Genuine question: how did you find those films funny? All other praises I would agree with and concur but what part of those groan-inducing Marvel-humour infested films actually made you laugh?

[@JustAShyGhost]

​@@mateuszjokiel2813 1. Stopped watching marvel movies after endgame so no overload of bad jokes 2. Didnt go in expecting a serious oscar winning movie but instead a silly time which got delivered

[@Lion_Patriot]

I’m just glad to find a video essay where it doesn’t belittle the Monster’verse like other video essays. It’s quite refreshing

[@FandomWireOfficial]

I'm happy you appreciated the positive take on the Monsterverse!

[@anomalotheriataurus8806]

Same Here, Almost Every Other Channel Tries To Make Me Feel Guilty For Liking The Monsterverse In One Way Or Another

[@fr0ck360]

Those kinds of videos screams “I’m an ignorant and I want to milk this thing because it’s popular”

[@thebloodyside4723]

Finally a video that talks about the positivity of the Monsterverse. Those who say it’s a bastardization are completely delusional cuz if that were true than Japan themselves wouldn’t like the movies but they do and there’s some who are huge fans of it. KOTM was rlly liked in Japan, on a Japanese movie rating website, “Eiga” it was rated 3.8 right next to Shin Godzilla which is insane as that movie basically won the Japanese equivalent of an Oscar. Takashi Yamazaki, the director of Minus One also likes the Monsterverse and they were influential to his movie as Minus One referenced Godzilla 2014, he finds it as a interesting take on the IP and even said he had fun with Godzilla x Kong and even called the movie gorgeous. So yea it’s safe to say the Monsterverse is what helped Godzilla become popular than ever and without it we wouldn’t have Shin or Minus One, plus it pays tribute to all eras of Godzilla with it currently tributing the Showa era.

[@scotttrail522]

That quote from Jurassic Park 1, where Ian Malcolm says to John Hammond-- "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they never stopped to think if they should."-- could tie into what the DCEU and the MCU is doing.

[@BeastEmerald_Editzzz]

Finallly, a videp appreciative of the monsterverse and not something like "why monsterverse is bad" "why monsterverse needs to stop"

[@nicolestimothy9921]

Or worst the so called "Dr" about him as well.

[@BeastEmerald_Editzzz]

@@nicolestimothy9921 you mean doctor skipper?

[@FandomWireOfficial]

Glad you enjoyed our video!

[@nicolestimothy9921]

@@BeastEmerald_Editzzz thats him

[@BeastEmerald_Editzzz]

@@FandomWireOfficial :)))

[@green-legacy]

you don’t have to hear the monsters talk to understand them!

[@nicolestimothy9921]

Heck they had more facial expression than the Lion King remake.

[@kira-dk2mx]

@@nicolestimothy9921 So true, the monster expressions better with every movie. You can actually tell when Godzilla is thinking about kicking ass.

[@ShadowFungus]

Men see giant monsters, men happy

[@SL4PSH0CK]

damn 😅@@nicolestimothy9921

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Eventhough the monsters are mostly roaring or growling, you can understand them by looking at their body languages.

[@PieaterProducts]

The Monsterverse does three very important things to remain in good graces with its fans. 1) It doesn't oversaturate the box office with 20 media projects in a year like Marvel does. 2) It stays consistent with its presentation. It doesn't jump from genre to genre and it most definitely doesn't phase out characters for younger models. 3) It keeps up to date with the culture its most loyal fans have built. A good example of this is Doug. In Godzilla v Kong, there's a short, stubby lizard kaiju in the hollow Earth segment that shows up for a whopping 4 seconds. Fans latched onto the fact that it looks like a Godzilla and bulldog hybrid and named it Doug. The filmmakers went on record when writing Godzilla x Kong that, since they already had the model, they would include more Doug content. True to their word, Doug makes another appearance for a massive 8 seconds in GxK.

[@novemberalpha6023]

First of all, the mosterverse didn't show Godzilla giggling around Shimo like Batman did to Wonder Woman in the Flash. Secondly, unlike the DCEU, CGI in the Monsterverse has been mind blowing.

[@CarlosMedina-mx1jl]

Is the Monsterverse perfect? No. Did the Monsterverse do a good job in creating a universe? Hell Yeah.

[@rev2178]

im glad people are starting to appreciate the monsterverse now, I love both toho and legendary godzilla movies!

[@FandomWireOfficial]

💯

[@JosephOliver-gy2im]

We need more Monsterverse Films in the Future with more Kaiju and I love to see what Anguirus, Baragon, Gamera, Destoroyah, Gigan, King Caesar, Biollante, Megalon, Spacegodzilla, Jet Jaguar, Orga, Gorosaurus, Varan, Mecha-King Ghidorah, Battra, Rhedosaurus, Kamacuras, Kumonga, Zilla, Manda, Gyaos, Yonggary, Reptilicus, Ultraman, Hedorah, Ebirah, Bagan, Gabara, and more Kaiju will look like in Future Monsterverse movies.

[@mattwithoutfear]

There's a great section on Mr Sunday Movies' look back at Godzilla Vs Kong where his editor Ben compares it to BvS and shows how GvK did everything right and BvS got so much wrong.

[@Pokecraftking]

Another thing with the monsterverse: they always hit well with the audience, and both understand and respect the audience. Between listening to fan feedback between movies and having just enough fan service to older godzilla lore, the movies always have connected and resonated well with the audiences since kong skull island. They saw what worked and stuck with it, scrapped or changed what people complained about (overcentralized human storys, extremely dark settings, etc). No "the fans didn't buy tickets because they're racist/sexist/dumb/etc.". Just well made movies that everyone loved, even if box office wise they may have underpreformed here or there.

[@Dutch493]

I think it just boils down to we like seeing big monke and big lizard fight.

[@lean2260]

They make more sense than strong man vs rich man

[@Synthesyn342]

No matter how you put it, it’s just fun to watch honestly 😂

[@Dutch493]

@@lean2260 idk, a 393ft tall lizard is scientifically impossible

[@恩陶梁]

Monke vs big G gud

[@johnhalo-ug4go]

@@Dutch493 Sense in ideology, rich man vs strong man fight for some dumbass moral whereas monke and lizard fight to be kings. i think that makes sense.

[@justaghostinthesea]

One thing that I think seriously helps the MonsterVerse is the characters. Not the humans, the monsters. The Titans have so much personality. The films wouldn't be half as entertaining otherwise. Just pay attention to Ghidorah's heads. They all have different personalities, and even name (Ichi, Ni, and San). Or when Mothra sacrifices herself for Godzilla. Hell, just watch any interaction between Kong and Godzilla. There's so much personality packed into these creatures that can't even speak. The Titans are the main characters of the MonsterVerse. They're who we go to the theater to see. We're invested in their stories, and the writers put in the hard work to accomplish this. The DCEU is dead, the MCU is in a turbulent era, and we'll see what happens with the upcoming DCU. But for right now, The MonsterVerse remains king.

[@randallrona9618]

The reason why Monsterverse succeeded is Bryan Cranston casting in 2014's Godzilla. Even though his character Joe Brody was killed off in mid scene that everyone believed this led a movie fall off apart, it gain more successful follow ups plus a spin-off(Monarch: Legacy of the Monsters).

[@aliastheabnormal]

The DCEU. The franchise that has dropped more bombs than a B-52 on Germany.

[@RaymonDingaLing]

Underrated comment fr fr

[@redswordz9131]

dude! you're mad bro hahaha

[@idoticHydra5671]

B-52s are coldwar bombers, the only bombs they ever dropped on germany were at most for training, better anaolgy would have been on combodia...

[@SL4PSH0CK]

or in cambodia 💀

[@恩陶梁]

@SL4PSH0CK NAHHHHHH💀💀

[@persianking44]

The narrative focus was really the key element in why the Monsterverse succeeded where the DCEU failed, especially since the narrative focus was why the MCU dominated cinemas for the better part of 15 years. Origin films might be formulaic, but it's important to have them so that when the crossover films happen we don't have to waste time establishing character motivations, their personalities, etc., etc. When GvK happened, we already knew who both the Monsterverse' versions of Godzilla and Kong were, so all it really needed to do was give a justifiable reason for them being in conflict with one another (and eventual team up) that was inline with their characterizations, while also developing them as characters, and that's exactly what we got. BvS and JL both had to spend so much time establishing who their versions of Batman, WW, Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman were that it came at the cost of: 1. Giving Batman and Superman a justifiable reason for fighting one another, and an even *worse* reason for them to team up. 2. Giving the audience a chance to actually care about Cyborg, Flash, and Aquaman. It's kind of a miracle that of those three, Aquaman got at least one movie (his "first" one, not Lost Kingdom) that was actually a lot of fun, even if it was dumb fun. It will never cease to frustrate me how easily WB could have been at the helm of two powerhouse cinematic universes, and the only thing they had to do was make a few origin films before the crossover films. And hell, for Batman, they wouldn't even have to cover his parents' death again, they could have done the exact same thing that Matt Reeves did where Bruce's origin film could have been set a year or two into his tenure as Batman. But thankfully, at least the Monsterverse has panned out successfully. Here's hoping that Gunn can turn DC around to give the MCU some much needed additional competition.

[@FandomWireOfficial]

You make some excellent points about the narrative focus in the Monsterverse compared to the DCEU. It's all about setting up that foundation right!

[@Randomshit2727]

Monsterverse just didn’t really need a whole Lot of planning because the universe is mostly about Godzilla and King Kong

[@kasaibouF29]

So there was narrative goal to work towards?

[@ShadowFungus]

And to top it off, there are a lot of kainus that haven’t been introduced yet. Destoroyah and space godzilla are still lurking around from the shadows.

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

​@@ShadowFungus Which either means they don't have the license or they actually _have_ made plans, unlike what OP said.

[@StareachValcin]

The monsterverse had a better foundation than the DCEU did and just did justice to Godzilla, Kong, Mothra, Ghidorah, Rodan, Mechagodzilla, and even its original monsters. Zack's vision didn't work for DC's heroes. It also didn't help that the DCEU rushed with its cinematic universe. At least the Monsterverse took its time and even did a better job of having its hero characters fight and team up in Godzilla vs. Kong. The monsterverse definitely works, and my favorite movie of the monsterverse so far is Godzilla vs.Kong. I honestly can't wait for Godzilla x Kong the new empire.

[@Arander92]

“my favorite movie of the monsterverse so far is Godzilla vs.Kong” But… WHY?!??!! Please help me understand why this movie is so popular. It reached heights of stupid that my brain couldn’t comprehend

[@ΠαναγιώτηςΑγγελέλης]

What is "Stupid" when it comes to fiction is subjective not a fact

[@kongzillatoho4558]

''The monsterverse had a better foundation than the DCEU'' Not an achievement

[@MourningCoffeeMusic]

Amazing that we’re living in a timeline where the Monsterverse is doing better than both the MCU & DC. What a time to be a kaiju fan.

[@nutsfromberserk247]

Deadpool 3 gonna destroy it's entire career

[@remuslazar2033]

The Monsterverse is like the Transformers movies if they were good

[@kira-dk2mx]

Amen to that.

[@anomalotheriataurus8806]

I Suppose There,s Something To That

[@stevendavis6157]

When were Monsterverse movies good??? Wb/legendary made nothing but dumpster fires. That's why they drop their films in china to save them! Wb just sucks completely at making movies.

[@NicksonGarcia-oh6db]

transformers' downhill started after revenge of the fallen. but yeah. Monsterverse still waaaaaay better

[@Alf-gm7tf]

for once Warner bros actually put love and care into a franchise instead of cancelling movies and writing them off as “ tax write offs”

[@arcqui4461]

Another streng thay many people forget is that, contrairy from believe, each film has many of their director's visions (not entirely tho because big studio shenynighan) : - Godzilla 2014 has many of Gareth Edward "style" seing on Rogue One : Not verry emotion focus characthers, focus on massivness of powerfull entity/objects and another focus on sound design - King of the Monsters has the same visual flare and "reverence for the mythological" has "Krampus" and "Trick'R Treat" the two others movie of Michael Dougerty -Kong : Skull also has manu camera trop and visual language and an emphesis on fun has Jordan V Robert other movie : Kings of summers - And even tho Gvk is not as serious has Adam Wingard others movies, he say in many interviews that this was his idead to have a more absurd and flashy vibe for GvK and i'm pretty sure his honest when he say that. That help that those four director are massive Godzilla fans ! And that the mains producer, Thomas Tull is a fan of Kaijus in general

[@carlvincent12]

Godzilla has had his own cinematic universe since the 60’s

[@diegosandate2036]

Monsterverse: simplicity > DCEU: continuity errors

[@ledinoquebecois2860]

Thank you for defending the Monsterverse, finally someone that points out where it has succeeded where so many other universes failed! And tbh, Gareth Edward's Godzilla is one of my favorite movies ever! ❤️‍🔥

[@mspicer2852]

The space in between movies is the main key. Keeps the anticipation high

[@kasaibouF29]

George Lucas was the master of anticipation.

[@bryanperezvaquero6348]

Monsterverse really show how art is made and really work when you got the right people. Because Godzilla is always a hero to us. Love it or hate it but without the Monsterverse Toho wouldnt made Shin and Minus one today. If they understand the right way (cough cough Skipper cough cough)

[@TheNinjaDC]

Here are my 3 reasons: 1, they did genuinely listen to fan feedback, and slowly tuned the films to better match classic Godzilla films. 2, each film is rather stand alone. It's part of one universe, but they all have clear ending, and you can skip one or two and not feel like you are missing something. Aka, it's easy to jump on. 3: they didn't over saturate the franchise. There has been like 5 films in a decade, and not many spinoff properties. So there isn't a burnout.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Don't forget that the humans aren't that important and they mostly just there being walking expositions with science mumbo jumbo. But, nobody cares to the humans, they just wanna see big monsters fight.

[@reelando2x29]

We can thanks Legendary for being a driving force on the Monsterverse's consistent success. On DC's side I think Zack's plan is fine. WB just reacted way too early and aggressively that resulted in a mess that it is now.

[@zidanerizalalghifaryalghif3248]

The monsterverse is basically a high budget and modernise version of the showa era AND IM IN IT FOR THE RIDE

[@kongzillatoho4558]

LMAO at all these 12 year olds pretending they like 60s bad Godzilla movies

[@boshwa20]

I always figured that the reason it succeeded was because they didnt make Godzilla 2014 with the sole purpose of making a cinematic universe. A complete accident. From what I remember back then, no one knew there were any plans for a godzilla vs kong movie until Kong Skull Island came out.

[@llewellynjameskinnaird2741]

The monsterverse delivers the fights we want. And the fights dont dissapoint.

[@TheLorePerson07]

This video has everything I could ever want in a comparison between the two franchises. Great job with this comparison of the Monsterverses success and The DCEU's sad and long death

[@FandomWireOfficial]

Glad you enjoyed our video! Appreciate it!

[@TheDudeliestDude]

1. Godzilla is awesome 2. The people making the monsterverse actually seem to know what Godzilla is instead of just guessing, and they actually seem to like Godzilla. The DCEU barely understands the characters it's working with, and the writers dont even seem to like DC or its characters.

[@xavierdewolfmusic7866]

MonsterVerse to DCEU: “there is a difference between you and me. We both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back at us, you blinked”.

[@chriswood1210]

The monsterverse works because it doesn't take itself to seriously and was grounded in more realistic narratives. Not that an entire world living in the center of earth should be taken seriously

[@DougieG7130]

The monsterverse didn't take itself seriously in 1 of the 4 movies the other three were pretty serious and if KOTM wasn't so bad GvK also wouldn't have been so goofy. Don't get me wrong though I liked GvK

[@liaMXWolfGaming]

and also they put a lot of mystery in it.

[@Dynasty636]

@@DougieG7130"if Kotm wasn't so bad" no the disappointing box office pull is what made them course correct again

[@economiccrisis9267]

​@@Dynasty636it didn't help they released it around the same time as Lion King.

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

​@@DougieG7130 I still fail to understand how people are singing praises for GvK and bashing KotM in the same breath. GvK is a much, much inferior film.

[@williamking331]

Very nice, well thought out, and nicely put together video. And nice insight with Godzilla 2014.

[@fr0ck360]

Giving some praises to KOTM for King Ghidorah’s action sequences and portrayal. Ghidorah is the Loki (Avengers) of Monsterverse and it manages to affect the entire world with it’s RAW power and calling to other titans. Even after death, Kevin (Ghidorah) took over Mechagodzilla’s program for revenge against Godzilla

[@Juve_Fan2601]

Ghidorah= joker Mechagodzilla = bane Skar King = ras al goul

[@hollownecryb]

My most memorable movie theater experience is seeing Godzilla 2014 and as you see him for the first time and he let's out his signature roar, it was so loud it broke the speakers in the theater and the movie had to end early.

[@artichokie791]

I just finished watching Monarch: Legacy of Monsters and thoroughly enjoyed it. Loved Kurt and Wyatt's performance as Lee. Every scene where you see a monster feels wonderful and every episode ends with a note of intrigue thus forcing you to start that next episode to see what happens next. By the end of it, you are amped up for the next season. The show was leagues better than some of the shows Marvel has put out in the past couple of years. So yeah, I'm really happy the Monsterverse is doing well. Hope the new Godzilla film meets expectations considering it's also riding on the success of Minus One.

[@mikufollower8564]

Whether you like or hate the Monsterverse you cannot deny the huge positive impact it has done by reigniting interest for Godzilla, something Toho themselves had not been able to do since the Millennium Era.

[@BreadCrumbs_Animate]

FINALLY! A VIDEO ESSAY THAT RESPECTS THE MONSTERVERSE AND NOT COMPARING IT TO MINUS ONE!!

[@ShadowFungus]

To put it simply.. men see giant monsters, men happy.

[@soffiyanomeefano4128]

Agreed 🎉

[@Soulreaper-1129]

For weeks I been looking for a video about how Monsterverse has been successful where others are starting to fade, we all have seen the recent idiotic takes from some other channels on KZbin and this is a breath of fresh air and gives Godzilla the praise it deserves

[@HavBrian]

Godzilla is a cheaper actor than Ben Affleck and Gal Gadot, a non problematic unlike Ezra Miller and Amber Heard, have less requests than The Rock and also far easier to de-age than Henry Cavill.

[@austinforgie1069]

One reason is that DCEU failed is that they rush the big movies like Justice League and Batman vs Superman not building up to the next movies like The monsterverse and MCU did

[@Tareltonlives]

I can't help but compare this to Disney's MCU vs Star Wars Approaches- one with a building, a vision, and deep ties to the original material while still being innovative, and the other having each film be a complete reserve, shallow pandering instead of genuinely understanding the material, and ending in the total disaster that is Rise of Skywalker. Like Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, The Force Awakens and the Last Jedi were more concerned with what they weren't than actually having their own identity and desperately trying to win back audiences through fanservice rather than have confidence. That's not the say that the Monsterverse or MCU don't lack fanservice- it's a key part of both- but They seem to hold their material in much greater respect and reverence despite having more of an action-adventure tone. Interesting how both companies show how some creative teams are in-sync with each other to create larger wholes, while others have no coherent idea what they want to be except avoiding fan barbs.

[@DuncanJarvis]

The thing is the first movie was just about Godzilla and didn't try to shoe in a crossover in the first couple movies the universe grew by themselves before they made a crossover

[@arindam7150]

One had Zack Snyder to ruining everything, other did not

[@thejaded]

I'd say they've worked because they really respect the franchise and its charcters. They are trying to make somthing moderized and fun. Directors get creative freedom, VFX artists are allowed to show how talented they are etc. They took their time while the DCEU rushed everything, simply for big cash box offices. I mean, the franchise is a blockbuster franchise but at least every movie has something fun, willing to watch. Oh and also, the people behind the scenes love these movies to death! They are genuine fans as we are too.

[@DinoKaiju1227]

I am super glad that the MonsterVerse is a success, not to mention that TOHO themselves are happy with it too. Also, my favorite entry is Godzilla: King of the Monsters.

[@tectamk.thorne7837]

The fact they also gave all these acting jobs to massive beings who can’t get jobs anywhere else is also just amazing.

[@TheForeskinStealer2820]

DCEU: Just Superheroes or smth MV: BIG ASS LASER DINOSAUR RAAAH

[@aircraftcarrierwo-class]

Monsterverse I think is also succeeding because each film in it doesn't _require_ you to have seen other films in order to understand what's going on. You can miss 2014 and still get the narrative beats in KotM because of the flashback sequence at the start, for instance.

[@ritudubey429]

I think that King of the monsters was a movie made by fans for fans.

[@thegamingzilla6269]

A thing with Godzilla films is that they dont actually need to connect to each other directly in order to present itself as a universe. The original Showa era, while all within its own universe, presents each film (except for 4) as their own independent film, the only movies that dont are the 1954 film and its direct sequal Godzilla Raids again, and Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla and its sequal Terror of Mechagodzilla. This sort of independent operation within the same universe does allow for actual story to be written, and also without introducing lore contradictions

[@CommanderShepard-wq3wo]

In short, the Monsterverse didn’t have WB executives constantly interfering and changing everything in order to “catch up with Marvel” and shooting themselves in the foot every time they did

[@CaptainCanuck1975]

0:55 Godzilla vs. Kong also came out when many movie theatres were still closed, making its box office take more impressive. People in general and not just fans also complained about how difficult it was to see a lot of the monster fights in the first Godzilla (as this video shows), so in future Monsterverse instalments most of the battles have been a lot easier to see and often take place in daylight. 5:45 BvS reminds viewers about the buildings being empty twice, just to make sure everyone really remembers that no civilians are around, using the news broadcast *and* having Batman mention the area was abandoned.

[@bluthunder271]

It's absolutely insane how a cinematic universe that centers on a massive lizard and a giant monkey won against a cinematic universe that centered on a few of the most iconic comic book heroes of all time. Can't wait for the New DCU and Godzilla X Kong!

[@thierrybulot8946]

Yes !!!

[@ΠαναγιώτηςΑγγελέλης]

King Kong is far more iconic than any comic book superhero

[@starhalv2427]

While I believe Monsterverse isn't as good art as, for example, Japanese Godzilla movies, there is just a certain appeal to giant monsters that make us mere ants. I used to draw monsters the size of countries as a kid, anyone who did similiar things will understand this appeal I mentioned.

[@fireironthesecond2909]

The DCEU changed for its audience. The Monsterverse changed its audience. A small difference but one which has cost DC billions and made Legendary millions

[@FandomWireOfficial]

Great point!

[@1bggh]

DID THE FLASH JUST PUT THAT BABY IN THE MICROWAVE

[@dodo_the_dodo_bird4794]

While the monsterverse films aren't really well written they know their audience and they listen to them. What people want is a giant lizard fighting a giant monkey and that's exactly what they are getting while dc fans want a good story about their favourite characters which they are not getting.

[@Flaris]

I'll give you that first one. At least Godzilla made a decision rather than the "let's be different" approach for Man of Steel. I didn't like either movie overall. Godzilla is the better one, but I wouldn't actually rewatch either of them. Though maybe I'd rewatch the first Godzilla movie...by skipping to the last 20 minutes. The Monsterverse tried to be itself. There were ups and downs along the way to doing so, but it felt solid. The DCEU was far too rushed. It wanted to catch up to Marvel and so rushed things like BvS and then rushed to the Justice League, and it was just far too chaotic. And thankfully the Monsterverse adapted better. People didn't like the lack of monsters, they got way more of them going forward. Whether it was KotM, or all the movies with Kong in them, there was far more monster presence mixed into things. They found what worked and stuck with it. DCEU never found what worked and needed a reset. I do think the DCU can work and hopefully will work. But Godzilla's side got it right much faster.

[@LiquidSnake1988]

DCEU is a joke. Literal joke that you can't take the movie seriously as they don't take the movie seriously themselves.

[@ObsidianRadio]

One thing to note is that giant monsters can't be politicized as easily as humanoid beings. Making it much easier to focus on actual storytelling.

[@NATUREBOYP]

KOTM WAS THE BEST LEGENDARY MOVIE YALL NEED TO STOP ✋🏾

[@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954]

Fax my brotha, spit yo shir

[@NATUREBOYP]

@@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 😤YKWTFGO

[@benjackson5411]

SAME!!! I LOVE IT!!

[@NATUREBOYP]

@@benjackson5411 you know wassup🫡

[@grahamstrouse1165]

Legendary understands its IP and characters AND its Fandom. They don’t try to make it something it isn’t.

[@wes5619]

Because you can't push any real agendas when we're talking about giant monsters destroying cities lol.

[@pizzaman8918]

Godzilla can represent nuclear war, anti-capitalism, letting go of the past, Fukushima, and the unpredictability of nature. Agendas can be used for monster movies

[@dylanr.cerezo4325]

Its so cool to see what feels like another era of godzilla unfold. I grew up on yhe Showa/Heisei "superhero" godzilla movies..dont get me wrong the stuff like Minus 1 and Shin where hes this force of nature are awesome but good ol blockbuster monsters fighting campiness in the modern era is so awesome.

[@Zero0485]

Batman V Superman is the worst lex luthor in history😅

[@paulgibbon5991]

When I saw the trailers, I thought the twist would be that it was actually the Joker.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Would be better if they casted Jeff Bezos as Lex Luthor. Dude is already bald and also rich.

[@Aristocles22]

Superman was almost as destructive to the city in his movie as Godzilla was.

[@SonnGokuBGMI]

Monsterverse is way better The protagonists are more interesting, badass and less goofy Better world building CGI never tanked No woke bulsh I guess 😂

[@RealBadGaming52]

Monarch has a few woke lines but other than episode 4 its a great TV Show

[@The_Based_Batman]

The reason is because the Monsterverse stuck to a concept and didn't try to course correct. A lot of people didn't like the first entries of the Monsterverse and DCEU, but as both series progressed they got better with each entry and eventually gave people what they wanted. If they stuck to Snyder's vision and didn't botch Justice League, then we'd probably still have the DCEU. The Monsterverse has little studio interference and that's mainly why it's successful. There's no internal drama and it gives people what they want plus has the benefit of genuine diversity in directors.

[@darkhawk6398]

Wb bad boo boo👎👎 Legendary great whoa 🎉🎉

[@HazeyInsanity]

The Mcu was carefully built during 10 years (infinity saga) It makes me happy that the monsterverse is taking the same route

[@SPRITECRANBERRYDRINKSODA]

Only good DC movie is like 2021 the suicide squad

[@YodaOnABender]

The virgin Snyderverse/DCEU vs the chad big lizard & big monke universe

[@MrRyu719]

Another thing that’s great about the monsterverse is that although 2014 Godzilla and the latest GxK New Empire is tonally very different, it still feels like the same world as they slowly shifted to it rather than switching right away

[@karloexe]

Monsterverse is awsome because it gives you what you really want, monsters fighting monsters, no complicated story, not complicated characters, no useless jokes