Why the NBN isn't delivering on its promise of fast broadband for all | 7.30

When the National Broadband Network was first dreamed up about 10 years ago, the promise of allowing people in remote areas to work in high-tech industries was a big part of its appeal.
Now, in 2019, the NBN's regional rollout is pretty much complete.
The vast majority of people who don't get the NBN via fixed-line services - such as fibre, copper or cable - are connected via "fixed wireless" - broadband delivered over radio waves.
Fixed wireless can work well, but many people are also experiencing a yawning gap between what the NBN promises and what it delivers.
Geoff Thompson reports.
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[@Reoh0z]

Worse, slower, over-budget. Just as planned.

[@myopinion69420]

Not how it was originally planned, I'm one of the luck few with FTTP, the fibre comes right into my lounge room. If i so chose to, i could get gigabit internet (about $200p/m). if the liberals had not destroyed the plan, most people would have the same option. If you live in a newer area (within 20 years old) FTTN could work well, as long as the node is not to far away as the shorter the distance and higher the quality of the copper, the more you can push through it. Fixed wireless should never have been used for that type of area, should only really be used for very small, flat(ish), remote areas.

[@LukeFennell]

Murdoch thanks for you it

[@myopinion69420]

@MagamisZon I'm not saying the Liberals were not planning to do it from the start, I'm saying with Labors original plan, the majority of people would get FTTP, with the remainder a mix of satellite (for very remote) and fixed wireless

[@NK-fh3st]

@@LukeFennell Murdoch is happy his garbage Foxtell baby no longer has to fight Netflix

[@baskyfn4589]

Reoh more “Under Budget”

[@mpal219]

I remember Bill Shorten telling Turnball that if you do it wrong and rush it in the beginning then you’ll have to pay more later to make it right. Seems like the Government should have listened.

[@KategariYami]

Not just Bill. Heaps of experts said so as well. But conservatives hate listening to expert advice...

[@Jester123ish]

@@KategariYami Well I'd have said the same of the Left, but regardless Turnball was trying to score points by claiming they could do the NBN for less, less than what sounded like and enormous amount of money. Thing is you eventually forget the expense if you get what you wanted, if you don't then lots of money was wasted.

[@KategariYami]

​@@Jester123ish All I know (and knew back in 2013) is even if the Libs managed to keep the costs down and spend I think they estimated half or less than half of what Labor was going to spend (on their 100/100 NBN), it'd still be worse because not only is our current NBN abomination dumpster tier, it's also going to cost even more just to get it back to Labor's 100/100 version. So no matter what, the Liberal's plan was going to be a money waster.

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

@@KategariYami its insane that the cost cutting nbn costs more than the platnium standard labor FTTP NBN

[@Justwantahover]

@@KategariYami They hate experts and believe in the Bible instead.

[@NilsMueller]

Australia has slower internet than Kazakhstan....

[@1eagleeyez]

Lol

[@JP-wj2cz]

@@1eagleeyez Ikr?! 😂

[@michaelmcclown5593]

@Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf Actually Mr Mueller is correct Kazakhstan has faster internet than Australia we are now ranked 63rd on the internet speed rankings and going down fast Mal and Toned Abs must be so proud.

[@shanee3485]

I’m sure the 3 people who have internet in Kazakhstan love it very much

[@NilsMueller]

@@shanee3485 racist

[@57Rye]

The Australian public made its bed, now they have to sleep in it. It's not just about people wanting to stream 4k netflix without buffering, or pirating movies. Important infrastructure like hospitals have to deal with these things now. You voted for this.

[@wombatau]

57Rye Yep, it’s what happens when you ignore experts 😉

[@donny234]

@@wombatau im sure they listened to heeps of highly paid pros with their cons

[@The.Drunk-Koala]

Yeah we voted for the Labour NBN which was far far better, then the good old Liberals came along and fucked it hard.

[@tubester4567]

We didnt vote for this. We voted for FTTP then the liberals came along and changed it. The copper network is at the end of its life anyway and needs to be changed.

[@wombatau]

jim jim Haha yes a rigged NBN board full of Telstra shareholders (see the delimeter articles about this, it’s appalling)

[@nakedlakedip57]

Won’t be long before we’re receiving Red Cross parcels from New Zealand.

[@willd0g]

Haha this is ace

[@amorettique]

Netflix effect... aka "we thought that speeds required in 2020 would be the same as in 2010"

[@JD-tf4zw]

From what I remember when they released their expected required speeds when spruiking the mtm it was lower than the actual AVERAGE usage at the time.

[@GeoCaptTerror]

They're surprised by people streaming content from the internet. What exactly do they think you do with the internet then?

[@Jester123ish]

@@GeoCaptTerror Emails and Facebook.

[@SlykeThePhoxenix]

Just as an FYI, the "Netflix Effect" was predicted when the Libs wanted to scrap FTTP. Other countries knew about it, which is why they ended up putting in FTTP instead of FTTN. You only have to graph usage increases over the 2 decades to see how much bandwidth would be demanded by 2020. In fact almost all of the IT industry was stating this back in the early 2010s. It cannot be said that it unpredictable.

[@TheCranberrySource]

SlykeThePhoxenix Yep. The problem was convincing Boomers and Western Sydney of that in 2013. Thanks jerks.

[@Pyroteq]

Lol, anyone with an IQ above double digits knew streaming video was going to take over cable TV in the mid 2000's.

[@scottysunday]

In 2013 roughly a third of all internet download traffic in America was due to Netflix.

[@TheMonkeyNetwork]

Hearing them say that instantly put my palm to my head.

[@Jake12220]

If you look at NBN press releases its always just trying to shift blame, like a 2 year old with chocolate all over its face trying to blame the dog for eating it. It's insane the amount of industry consultation it has done only to completely ignore the industry responses.

[@MrZombiPineapple]

I live 15 minutes walk from a major city centre. Still no NBN. I get a fabulous 800 _kilobytes_ per second. These guys are living the dream. Thanks Malcom.

[@TheMonkeyNetwork]

Did you watch this video in 144p?

[@Booth-]

@@TheMonkeyNetwork Pretty sure 800kbps could watch 720p no problem.

[@TheMonkeyNetwork]

@@Booth-Then you've never had speeds under 1mb xD

[@IleneOva]

@@Booth- Iget 450kbps and can watch 720p

[@MotoCat91]

Sorry to hear that Mr Pineapple.. I'm on 4mbps which isn't quite as bad, but I understand the frustration as I'm surrounded by people on 100mbps HFC and 15km from Brisbane CBD, still waiting for an upgrade from ADSL

[@NilsMueller]

Blame the liberals for this

[@joshyoyoyoyoyo]

60 Billion tax dollars. Surely someone must be held accountable.

[@BibleStorm]

They never are. They get pensions.

[@Jake12220]

Unfortunately the structure of our government and corporations at all levels are set up so that no-one takes any personal responsibility for anything, it's always a blame game. This is why democracy itself is failing, because democracy requires some level of responsibility to be taken by the people involved.

[@Secretlyanothername]

We had our chance to hold them accountable. It was called the election. We (they) blew it.

[@r1yamahamini]

@@Secretlyanothername Slow internet is better than the Socialist Labor Party.

[@Secretlyanothername]

@Gerr Gerring ha, but the dumb farmers keep voting for it. They must like getting rorted and rooted.

[@Kiwittgmail]

Shocking. We get 1 Gbps (1,000 Mbps) Fibre to the inside of our homes here in New Zealand.

[@fasterthanwind8484]

Oh shit, thats awesome bro.

[@dougcox3990]

Yeah, but your whole country is only 50kms from end to end... ; )

[@Harold_Flite]

Telstra Australia got the contract for that in the late 90s...many tradesmen got ripped off by Telstra when they packed up and finished...left owing 1000s...me included. But Australian internet is garbage...the place is so big and they use unskilled people to install the fibre optic cables...its a mess...not to mention the FireWall the installed to cencor certain content.

[@tubester4567]

@@FarshadGhanbari Only in big cities. Go out to the rural areas in the US and they get slow internet too.

[@jgroenveld1268]

We could have copied New Zealand and force the split of Telstra like what they did to Telecom.

[@jennyaviet2297]

And they blame Netflix lol. Netflix shouldn't be blamed. Let's just face it NBN doesn't have the power or no how to do it.

[@positronundervolt4799]

They're oversimplifying the problem so that morons can understand it. The same morons who voted for the Liberal National Party. The same morons who don't use the internet. Well okay, some do, but they can't tell the difference between a 1080p picture & a 360p picture on their 65" Somsing.

[@BibleStorm]

@@positronundervolt4799 Not oversimplifying, completely ignoring the truth. The infrastructure in all wrong. The real reason the NBN isn't delivering is because the NBN still uses copper in most of Australia, even in the places that they also put cable. Has everybody forgotten that the liberal party under tony abbott immediately sabotaged the actually successful design out of pure personal greed? ABC seems to have forgotten.

[@jarlaxledaerthe4045]

@@BibleStorm Many of those treasonous Liberals also invested heavily into copper wire stocks, a clear case of insider trading.

[@SnowTheBard]

You know I was pretty miffed that we were getting HFC but seriously wtf thought fixed wireless was a good solution for people who live INSIDE a town?!?! It's supposed to be for remote rural sites where it would be impractical to run kilometers of fiber for a single residence. Why are we deploying this technology to people who live in a suburb? This entire NBN rollout is a disaster and anyone who voted for this crappy short-sighted version of a national broadband network should be ashamed of themselves.

[@hustleandflow]

It's the liberals fault. They changed it. It isn't Netflix fault. They said it would move online. They cut costs with FTTN and FTTC. Australia has the worst internet ever.

[@alphonselee3564]

Who's the idiot that said it's Netflix's fault LOL?

[@rollerskdude]

@@alphonselee3564 Its the liberals right wing biased ABC reporting. They need a scapegoat for this mess. Gotta keep up the facade of being "strong economic managers".

[@mattfrench6393]

This mess has ended up costing more despite all the 'cost cutting', what a load of bullshit

[@yedrellow]

Why is this story presented as if it is some sort of surprise? The only real criticism of the MTM NBN on the ABC back when it actually mattered was by Shaun Micallef. Nick Ross claimed he was gagged by the ABC. When the communications minister was on Q and A, oddly very few questions were allowed on the topic of the National Broadband Network. The ABCs woeful coverage of this topic is a large part of the reason why MTM even went ahead in the first place. Just a little bit of education for the writers of this story. Congestion is built in to the network, latency is built in to the network, unreliability is built in to the network. Fixed wireless and Satellite will always be congested and unreliable. Fibre to the node is reliant on loads of rotting copper and is prone to dropouts. Fibre to the node will be congested once demand rises to the point where CVC is no longer the limiter. Even now, the way CVC is structured means most users will experience congestion even on isps that attempt to react to demand like Aussie Broadband.

[@m0rthaus]

Everything you say is accurate and makes logical sense. Unfortunately, Murdoch gets what Murdoch wants from his buddies in the Libs, every time

[@IzSmith]

Hate the therm they used to justify the mixed technology “ on time, within budget” It wasn’t within budget even it was finishing it on time still meant we’re behind the world by at least 20 years.

[@nitachao7930]

Why have a deadline, just build it properly

[@drauss001]

So they can sell it to Telstra whilst the sale value exceeds the debt they have run up and kept off the books...

[@fightington]

Interdasting. And prob true

[@SormonAusPol]

Because the Liberals ran and won on getting done it done fast and cheap AKA doing a crap job

[@patg14]

Loool. NBN considers 6 Mbps (750kBps) acceptable.... Even adsl2 can get more than 3x that speed.

[@xjet]

This is one area where New Zealand got it right. I have fibre to the home with our UFB network and I'm about to upgrade from the 100/30Mbps plan to the open (1Gbps) plan. All for under $100 a month with no data caps.

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

You also live in a country as small as my back yard. Of course you're gonna get better coverage. Australia is massive with a small population. Clearly some people can't figure that part out when comparing this and similar topics.

[@shaungordon9737]

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax Well if Australia did fibre to the premises in the actual population centers, instead of trying to connect everyone out in the wop wops like NZ did, we could have good internet. NZ concentrated on getting fibre to everyone in towns and cities and wireless for the rural areas. Australia has tried to do the whole dam country approach which is a failure. Most of Australia is desolate, the size of the country is irrelevant when most people live in cities/towns along the eastern seaboard.

[@xjet]

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax But a town is a town is a town. I live in a small town (14,000 people) and I have fibre to my house. The only difference with Australia is that there might need to be longer trunks between population centres but within the borders of a town, the population density of NZ is the same as Australia. It is clear that Australia's problem is not related to the trunking... but the "last mile" distribution where NZ has opted for fibre to the home and Australia has opted for chaos :-)

[@nitramluap]

I have relatives in Eastern Europe who pay a quarter what we do for download (and upload) speeds of 250 Mbps and unlimited data - NBN is practically dial-up in comparison. 100Mbps is actually a joke... Australians have had the wool pulled over their eyes. We think we’re good at things but that’s just arrogance. Blaming Netflix effect is so bloody lazy - this was ALWAYS the obvious future of the internet. So much incompetence. The rest of the world does things so much better than we do in almost every area if we bothered to look: railways, public transport, environment, renewable energy, emissions targets, internet speeds, etc. etc.

[@fokboy]

Australia has "Politically Correct" Consultants more than any real Leadership.. there is no clear vision for what the country wants to achieve in technology and contribute anything new to the world.. the fact that we decided to use tax money to build a TRAM line in Sydney's Anzac Parade and George street already proves how backwards thinking we are..

[@AussieZeKieL]

When we have the population density of Europe then you can make a closer comparison.

[@MrWackozacko]

Australia is nowhere near as good as it thinks it is. We are shit cunts really

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

@@AussieZeKieL EXACTLY. It's amazing how many carry on with how good it is everywhere else but NEVER, EVER take into consideration that we live in a massive country with a small population spread out. It doesn't change the fact though that the Coalition and conservatives in general only care about getting a well paid job after leaving politics too the SAME COMPANIES THEY DID DEALS WITH WHILE IN GOVERNMENT. Australia's political system needs a major overhaul before it gets to be much much worse than it is now. People also need to stop voting for the Coalition as they're the most arrogant, ignorant, incompetent corporate whores one can find. I don't expect that much because Aussies can also be the dumbest and/or ignorant voters. (Well 50% are).

[@AussieZeKieL]

​@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax i feel that the only way for a shake up is to become a Republic. now that the party preferential system have been changed. the smaller parties can't do deals with each other to get elected no more. its made it even easier for the 2 big parties to keep control.

[@ronmortimer252]

I'm starting to think that conservative politics and politicians is a euphemism for backward thinking. I guess you get what you vote for in the end.

[@BibleStorm]

And some among them call everybody else "the regressive left". The irony.

[@RakinkyOG]

lmao, we literally "vote" the lesser of two evils.

[@workout9632]

I dont understand why the liberals got voted in once again

[@Mortum_Rex]

@@workout9632 Because immigrants.

[@workout9632]

@@Mortum_Rex That is quite the opposite actually, almost every immigrant i know including myself voted for labor. The liberals are for the richest people but the labor party are accepting of immigrants. Also we are all immigrants here mate

[@iolio1]

The NBN was a promise to FOX so it could maintain its media monopoly. These issues are a feature, not a bug.

[@r1yamahamini]

Exactly, Your the first commentor to blame the correct villein in all of this.. Enabled by Turnbull not the Liberal party as a whole.

[@xer0cool]

Yep, keep that internet shit slow so we still have a customer base.

[@ilsando3550]

I got better internet speeds working on a drill ship 100's of kilometers offshore Myanmar than in inner city Sydney. Right now i'm in a house in the suburbs of Bangkok getting 90 mbs down and 60 mbs up. Studying university online i can hardly connect sometimes when in Sydney, how does that help an economy.

[@deeboy1957]

I'm in rural NZ, currently have 40/40mbps. Aussie sure messed it up

[@kezkezooie8595]

Yep. It was a foregone conclusion and, with the poor oversight of the contractors and sub contractors who did the installation of the network, I don't think it will be long before it gets much worse.

[@stuartlobegeier2701]

NBN rollout has been a disaster. Still a disaster and was poorly planned, budgeted and has failed in delivering reasonable end user expectations.

[@Djarms67]

That what happens when you have government back monopoly. poor planning poor desinging misbugenting and tons of politcized manageing that only delivery worst services. Serously the only real solution is competition and cosumer choice and no political cronyism.

[@octapc]

It was planned correctly by Labor but was crippled on purpose by the Coalition

[@MnKJSGVsHMs8iOHr]

@@Djarms67 Bullsh-it. The NBN was co-opted by the Abbott government in 2013 as a political wedge to gain votes ("Fast. Affordable. Sooner."--then-Minister for Communications Malcolm Turnbull). There should have been bipartisan support for a primarily-FTTP NBN from the beginning. The original NBN could have been a huge boon to our economy as a government monopoly--a heavily-regulated common carrier like our other national infrastructures, e.g. highways and the now-increasingly privatised electricity grid.

[@MnKJSGVsHMs8iOHr]

@@Djarms67 If you want to see how great privatisation of essential services is, just look at your electricity bills and the value brought to you by private health insurers.

[@MnKJSGVsHMs8iOHr]

KZbin auto-moderation sucks; sorry for repost. NBN yadayada

[@Eccentric_Villain]

I’m staying away from NBN and 5G. My ADSL+2 is faster than my Mum’s NBN. The NBN is a total joke if you ask me.

[@surfie007]

Good luck, they're turning off ADSL soon. For me it's October 2019

[@justinm2697]

You should go to the NBN website or an ISP site and type in your address. You won't have ADSL forever. If you still have or want a home phone, you will need the NBN for that too.

[@carly09et]

NBN can be no faster than ADLS2+ as it is ADSL based ... Its a pocket lining exercise.

[@TheMonkeyNetwork]

Sure you can stay away from NBN, but not getting in on 5G would be most unwise.

[@carly09et]

@Yun Fu lol 5G saturates the same as fixed wireless - Bandwidth is bound by Shannon's law, double the users one third the speed. 5G is some extra channels BUT it will still bottle neck :( , Fiber to the home/block +5G is how the tec should be implemented. NBN is a fail at scale - that's politics.

[@QHTaker]

Living in NZ i can game with friends in sydney and get a better ping than them, thats with the server located in sydney

[@thatoneneeko2131]

That is not how ms works but ok. Unless somebody is downloading porn in his house.

[@Goldenhen]

If the NBN can't handle video streaming like Netflix then it is not "fit for purpose".

[@alanfurlong-drummer4419]

In little old Dublin Ireland fours years ago on fibre optic connections we had 150+ mbps. Even with the Netflix rubbish. If you don’t put in the correct infrastructure etc etc. watching the CEO clip smirking about how much it would cost speaks volumes. Future proofing Australia’s economy, community connectivity and developing regional areas is going to require people who care and have the integrity to critique plan and not take a cavalier approach. Without proper fast broadband Australians will be left with a 3rd world infrastructure and inward investment will be curtailed. A very short sited approach by those in power!

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

What do you expect though from conservatives. They hate spending money on society as a whole but love giving it to their future employers after leaving their ALREADY cushy political jobs. It's always been like that. Until the dumb voters start losing everything, will they stand up. Most of them pay no attention to politics but then complain when it's too late. They (We) get the governments they deserve.

[@royferntorp3575]

I remember Alan Jones saying how wireless would be better than fiber.

[@g1598]

Why listen to Alan Jones in the first place? I doubt he could even use the finger print reader on an iPhone

[@BibleStorm]

He practically never tells the truth.

[@Jake12220]

Well 5G connections are now faster than anything offered by the NBN to home users, but the fixed wireless lm on is utter shit and can be beaten by a 4G connection using a $30 antenna instead of the thousand plus they must have spent on the wireless antenna.

[@colconn57]

Jones would have been paid to gee up wireless, he never does anything without a kickback I'm guessing.

[@Living_the_Highlight]

@@Jake12220 5G deadset causes cancer. It's short-ranged waves.

[@thatoneneeko2131]

Remember when hwawei offered to set up 5g for us but Australia being america's dog just rejected that good shit.

[@camb069er]

When the yanks ask if the Aussies got any wool

[@TotalGAMIX]

For real?

[@Br4ido]

My current mobile 4G internet is at 0.20 mbps after 7 pm. Telstra won't deal with it. Local store told us its not their problem and their online tech support won't get back to us Come 6 am its at 47.1 mbps

[@clint-0088]

It's congestion nothing they can do it's simply a limitation of technology sharing the wireless link amongst all users. All you can do is try another provider to see if it is any better.

[@jomac2046]

No fixed line or wireless here, only 2 hours from Perth and only NBN in town is Satellite, hopeless. I'll be sticking with ADSL2+

[@RileysFilms]

4G mobile broadband works for me now that competition has pushed the data limits up. Paying $80 pm for 500GB. It's not ideal, but it beats the shoddy fixed wireless. The alteration of this project to save a quick buck is going to have an absolutely devistating effect on the economy in the long term. We're already seeing the effects of it. The Internet is the future, and if we can't keep up, we'll drop off.

[@person.X.]

Y I agree. It is astounding how incompetent Australian leadership has become. I travel to poor countries all the time and their internet is much faster and much cheaper. The future for Australians will be bleak if we do not get a grip soon.

[@Jake12220]

I did have an unlimited fixed wireless connection, but the NBN has changed their rules so all fixed wireless will be capped at 200GB per month as if August. I wouldn't mind quite as much if it wasn't for the fact they didn't even adjust the price. So yeah lm headed back to a 4g connection, 200GB is stuff all these days.

[@RileysFilms]

@@Jake12220 are you for real? I wasn't aware that they were going to cap fixed wireless at 200GB. What a failure. 5G won't be a perfect solution either. Australia needs fiber to the premises everywhere, and we've blown our once in a lifetime chance to make it happen.

[@Jake12220]

@@RileysFilms lm with my republic (currently looking for a different provider) they sent an email and had it posted on their site that they would be introducing the cap and that it was because of the NBN changing the rules. They later sent another email (after much annoyance) saying that on further consideration they won't be introducing the cap and that it was actually just their decision and nothing to do with the NBN. I honestly hate My Republic far more for being so full of shit trying to blame it on the NBN than l do the NBN for being so crap.

[@frizzyacademic]

Hey ABC KZbin admins. I notice the video is uploaded at 1080p, but the source video resolution is quite a bit lower. I’ve noticed that on a couple of other 7:30 clips. Any chance you could increase that to HD?

[@copuis]

hey, cant be stressing the network there fellow, the lib say 360p video is enough, and we dont want there to be a youtube effect blamed for slow nbn next (it could also be that if you watch it early enough, youtube might not have finished doing youtube things, so you getting a lower quality video)

[@willd0g]

Jeremy Sims gold

[@Colkadome12]

The Libs have made a long string of abysmal tech reforms and rollouts (mandatory data retention, AABill, and the NBN) which have really hurt the Australian tech industry. It sucks, and it makes me sick.

[@TheCranberrySource]

Australia voted for budgie smugglers rather than a decent broadband network. Thus Australia gets the NBN it deserves.

[@werebilbyj4449]

This is what you get when you vote for the "man who invented the internet" *rolls eyes*

[@rollerskdude]

And Morrison the bastard who stabbed him in the back. Aussie's are really easy to fool politically. Damn Rupert.

[@Z3N1T4]

"We didn't anticipate people streaming more content over the internet"

[@SootySweep22]

Zenith Murdoch did.

[@DursunX]

we got fibre to the node instead of full nbn. my aged copper lines have started to break down at the joints in the waterlogged pits. only been 2 yrs 🥴

[@bmrapple]

Exact same issue here. I'm on FTTN and everytime it rains the pit outside my home fills up and then it's weeks of calls to my RSP to get a tech out to fix it. It makes me sad to think this is the best my country can do for its citizens.

[@MatthewBayard]

Rupert Murdoch must be loving this.

[@JeffBourke]

5:40 WOW. How could anyone have possibly predicted that people's internet usage was going to increase? I guess nobody could have predicated that outcome.

[@ClarksonsinUSA]

In western NC USA ,our cable internet TWC /Road Runner is 116 mbps down load,and 11 to 12 mbps upload..

[@itsbailey9856]

I don’t even have nbn yet and have 115mb/s I can get fiber hybrid coaxial though is it any good

[@OFFRoadWheels]

I would love just to have fast upload an download.

[@officialspock]

Thanks Abbott

[@milkymilkyisacat3154]

After graduated from Monash in 2013, I went back to China for 5 years. At the beginning of this year, my wife and I decided to move back to Australia. When I was in China, my internet plan was a 100Mbps unlimited data plan, it cost me about 300 AUD per year. IPS was China Telecom, which is China's Telstra. It is the most expensive IPS, but the service is fast, reliable, no buffing no drama. I could easily achieve 10mb/s download speed at any time. My phone plan cost me less than 15 AUD every month. I use 40-100GB per month. Every corner I went to was covered by 4G. Include basement carpark, lifts, remote areas. I never took any cash and cards with me in China. Everything paid by phone, fast, convenience, and safety. Most cities are connected by high-speed train. A trip from Shanghai to Beijing (1300km) by train takes less than 5 hours, costs 110 AUD. I feel like I was moving from a developed country to a developing country. What a joke. Come on, Australia!!

[@bernardpolicarpio651]

Then take Huawei modems, and the cheap bidder NBN back with you

[@jdsgotninelives]

To be honest, we had the opportunity to have FTTP with Rudd part 2 but we chose to believe that it was a terrible waste of money. Anyway, you couldn't have KRudd in charge coz he set all them houses on fire with 'is pink batts and also coz of that time he picked 'is ear and said fair shake of the sauce bottle. Yep, we were far too clever for the likes of Rudd. Brilliant country, this one.

[@guochuqiao]

People in remote areas can thank their LNP COALiton. Right, probably for future worse drought as well.

[@Secretlyanothername]

And they'll keep voting for them til the donkeys die.

[@KonradZielinski]

This kind of boggles me too. The people who are most directly affected by climate change are the ones who keep voting for politicians who deny it is taking place.

[@RavenVapes]

NBN and the telco's are a joke, living in a rural remote town, the main exchange doesnt have enough ports to service the town, only a select few people can get broadband, and that's ADSL with a speed of 8mb/s, We only have one provider in the region Telstra.. if someone wants to get the internet on , they have to go with NBN Satellite and you're charged at $100+ a month for 100gb of data , And the NBN Satellite providers throttle your speeds depending what your doing, meant to have 25mb download/5mb upload, but trying to watch Netflix or KZbin or downloading a large file, they will throttle your speeds slower then ADSL, Internet is not classed as a Luxury any more, its classed as a utility the same as electricity and water, we should be able to have a fast reliable service at reasonable prices.

[@Jake12220]

Honestly the NBN should never have connected any houses to the net, instead it should have created a really good pipe or backbone connection between all the population areas of Australia and contracted other companies to connect the houses. The other companies would only get paid if they could reliabily achieve a set stable speed, but they could choose whatever method they liked to create the connection so long as it met the desired outcomes. Other countries did it this way and got massively better results and far faster and cheaper.

[@rams3710]

I moved to Australia from Russia about 5 years ago. Back in Russia the Internet I had was unlimited 150mbps with the cost of 10$ a month. I even remember the internet ads back in 2010, it was something like 10$ a month for 100mbps and back in 2008 we paid about 10$ a month for unlimited 40mbps. Go figure

[@peterhall6656]

Come to Bondi Beach and experience NBN service interruptions everyday - I'm on my Aldi mobile phone hotspot now because the NBN drops out at this time nearly every night. Outrageous.

[@Scorp308]

Thanks, Rupert Murdoch.

[@AussieVet]

500mbps upload and 500 download here in Thailand

[@phengov943]

No gigabit fiber in Australia? Fiber available nationwide in NZ.

[@KyleMontibello]

As someone who wants to move to Australia one day, this is a big hurtle. Where I am in the States, 100 is the minimum and I can get up to 2000 should I want to pay for it. I don't understand how 6mbps is "acceptable" for new infrastructure.

[@The.Drunk-Koala]

Population density is the key. America slightly bigger than Australia with approximately 12x the population.

[@MnKJSGVsHMs8iOHr]

@@The.Drunk-Koala USA's population density is overall comparable to Australia. Therefore, it should be easier with a smaller population to service?

[@The.Drunk-Koala]

@@MnKJSGVsHMs8iOHr America 93 people per square mile. Australia 3.1 per square kilometre.

[@Jubei66666]

@@The.Drunk-Koala we are one of the most urbanised countries in the world. 90% of the population lives in a handful of cities, the size of the country was never a factor.

[@MnKJSGVsHMs8iOHr]

@@The.Drunk-Koala I'm failing to find a source at the moment, though I recall figures that showed the density of *inhabited* land to be rather comparable to USA. We don't need to service our uninhabited deserts.

[@copuis]

lets be honest about things here the change in the tech roll out was a major factor that cost difference and the speed required meant the there was more than a change from the best product (fixed fiber to most, mixed where there might be some difficultly, fixed wireless where there were issue providing the former, then sat for the middle) was change to less suitable and vastly less robust systems, all round and NBN co have in short blamed everything but the truth, people made cost and time promises when the Libs came to power, and now they have to stand by the incorrect statement of "this will be cheaper the the tax payer, and provide the service required" well, it doesn't sorry,. and the timelines blaming netflix as an effect, sorry, bullshit, you can go back to the labor days as this was being floated, and then look at the excited experts, and what a modern service would be able to bring about able to stream video (youtube was already a thing, as was using it as a learning tool!), work from home (telecommute), offsite storage of data (the cloud) and having multiple people in a house hold doing that as households were getting more and more devices none of what has happened was unknown about in 2007 when the idea was everyone (all) would have a minimum speed of 12mbs even the highest pegged cost for the original planned roll out (fyi would be about the same point total roll out, however, would have been a vastly more robust internet, less prone to dropouts, and those currently suffering on the node drop out, weather affected (thanks to 40 year old copper) would have been able to get the speeds we pay for, and able to access faster speeds, (not an option for most of us) AND would have been cheaper long term (less maintenance needed, ongoing and planned) ) but no, we got something that was promised would be cheaper (so far slated to cost over 50bil, close to 10 bil more than the peak original roll out cost) would be finished by 2016 (slated to be 2020 at last look, the original was 2021, 1 year, hardly worth it) but, more importantly, the whole network, would have been more robust as it was planned and was going to be built to cope with the expected uses of 2020 and beyond not the expected uses of 2009, cause they couldn't see any one needed more than that

[@Jake12220]

One thing l do still blame the labour party for is not listing the NBN as critical infrastructure. If it had been then many of the holdups would have been avoided and the process if not better would at least have been completed faster.

[@borgarden2731]

As a former Telstra contractor I can tell you this whole clusterfuck was just about a select people at the top making money by NBN giving contracts to certain companies for contracting work and for products. Unfortunately this is pretty common in business in Australia. However giving FTTP to every home in Australia is IMPOSSIBLE. The cost would be astronomical because of how many people here have larger blocks of land which means every larger block of land in rural and semi-rural properties would have to retrench there property to get the fibre to there house (unless the block was brand new but even then I've had new houses with broken conduits even on small blocks. People have to remember that even though the NBN has had bad press most of Australia has been happy with there NBN (apart from the initial HFC customers who were stuck with Optus' crappy old cable network which was designed to be MAXED OUT with customers initially which causes slower speeds at 5pm onwards which is why Telstra capped its cable network at around 70-80% to stop that). If NBN pull there finger out and finish the Fibre to the Curb people will be much happier. Also fixed wireless for MOST people in my experience has been pretty good (usually better than FTTN unless you want 100mb speed of course).

[@brettst01]

I have fixed wireless. Same issue for 18 months, was getting 1 mbps, Wrote to ACCC, local and national government's, the NBN, and anyone else who might be able to help. The government agencies like ACCC told me there is nothing the could do as the NBN is another government agencie and they did not have jurisdiction over them. The NBN just blamed the telco's. The telco's blamed the NBN. I finally got to the truth, and it was that the wireless towers did not have enough bandwidth to deal with the NBN fixed wireless solution. Now the NBN is forcing this on people to get the NBN completed by 2020. It is not a netfix or streaming issue. I live in to town of 280 houses. It is purely that the wireless infrastructure (towers) was never designed to cope with the amount of data. Thankfully this has now been fixed in my area for the moment.

[@simonkormendy849]

Personally, I think that the entire population of Australia, excluding the federal Liberal Party members, should sue the Liberal Party for leaving us with a sub-par NBN, the entire Australian population should also sue Mr Rupert Murdoch too for his part in Australia's NBN debacle, and jeopardizing Australia's future .

[@BibleStorm]

Is this possible? We could sue them for a lot of things... NSW government wrote legislation to help dodgy contractors building deathtraps for people to live in until structural fractures appear for no reason leaving them all homeless.

[@Secretlyanothername]

That's really dumb. They had the chance to vote them out, but decided they want more of this.

[@hardtofind1]

Thank LNP Turnbull for changing a good plan and changing it to the crap NBN we have now

[@davidlp3019]

IMO NBN is very dependant on the technology being used. I just got switched to FTTB 50/20 plan and am getting 47 down 18 up. My attainable rate according to the modem is 128 down and 53 up, so I can upgrade to 100/40 if I so wish. FTTC/FTTB, definately FTTP and FTTN(only if you are closer than 500m to the node) are the only good connections on NBN. However satellite and fixed wireless like these poor people in the video have sucks they should have at least put in FTTC for towns like bellingen. What they've done here makes no sense. Ideally, we should have got full FTTP in the first place as this MTM is just as expensive and slower, but it is what it is I suppose :/

[@SuperCaptainSkittles]

I live in Springvale, Victoria; a major metropolitan area, where they cut our ADSL 2+ access and forced us to use NBN fibre to the NODE!! This cut our D/L speed by more than 200%. All for a political ploy. Is there no one else that is fed up with suffering day to day inconveniences for a politicians salary? I sincerely hope these inconveniences don't escalate to serious issue (which it already is for those who earn a living using the internet) before the population take action against these FEAR-MONGERING POLITICIANS!!

[@johndoe-qo8cy]

Bellingen is in the Oxley Electorate, which voted for the coalition, which promised a worse NBN than Labor. Why should we care if they get bad NBN, you got what you voted for.

[@Secretlyanothername]

Exactly. They deserve shit internet, because they vote for it every election.

[@iangalloway1916]

We've been on NBN wireless for over a year now and Netflix buffers most nights and the service is not good enough to run a business on in Jimboomba Qld

[@francismarshall8201]

Where i live they put fttn across the street then put it over the old hrc cables , not even replacing them.

[@josephj6521]

The constant drop outs, maintenance outages and unexpected outages on HFC in suburban Sydney is infuriating! We cannot work productively. Late 2023 and we still have to put up with this crap!

[@SLVBULL]

Oakleigh in Melbourne speed currently at 9pm 91/28Mbps. Very happy 😃

[@alasdairhunt376]

do you guys also only get 1-2mbps on nbn?

[@simonkormendy849]

I'm on Australia's NBN, with an FTTN connection, my ISP, Aussie Broadband, have let me know that there will be some maintenance work done on Darwin's POI and my service will be affected on the 17/07/2019 from 11:00pm to 6:00am, so that's about 7 hours without NBN internet that I'll have to put up with while I'm paying about $80/month for a service I am unable to use in that timeframe.

[@sc0tte1-416]

Don't worry, our brothers to the south... Canada was once in the stone age too with only DSL to the CO many kms away but in the matter of 5 or so years most of us got fibre to the cross connect box usually less than a km away and currently I have 200/20 connection, unthinkable back then.

[@ChrisJohannsen]

That happened due to good governance, not some miracle.

[@theodorkipen4069]

Well this is a simple question to answer. Tony Abbot and the Liberals decided that we should use outdated technology (copper wire to node) rather than Labor's original plan (fibre optic to node). And everyone who new anything about this said that the speed of the NBN would be a problem under the Liberal policy.

[@hiroshiganna9078]

The actual issue is the core backbone of the NBN. It's speed is only 19.8 terabits/s at that speed if most of the population only 20 million were to connect, the speed is only 1 mbps for any Australian without bussines. Our population is a bit more than that though. There is no point in setting up a connects if the host server cannot handle it.

[@4554dy]

what does NBN cost per month in Bellingen?

[@bbritton223]

any explanation as to why it was going to be more expensive than first anticipated?

[@lardook]

In New Zealand on 300mb down and 400mb up on 5GHz band & 200MB down and 300MB on 2.4GHz band on my router. Not only fibre to the door but fibre to the wall, CAT 7 cable to my router. Soon to get gigafibre in Auckland $120NZD a month for unlimited.

[@willd0g]

Larduk_ 1UK boom that’s it right there

[@senwang1982]

My case is I had cable with 100mbps for download. After the migration to nbn fttn according to the law, I now only have 25 mbps for download. The capacity is 27mbps in my area. What a shame.

[@klausjackklaus]

why dont they provide vdsl2 with dual bonding. it provides speeds of 100/50 depending on where you are to the node. my old connection was 32/7, but i know some people who get 75/15. obviously fiber to the premise is best, but for the cost fiber to the node with vdsl2 to the house can provide enough

[@bernardpolicarpio651]

100mbps is the limit of fttn/b vdsl technology accdng to physics. Turnbull promised 1gbps for eth_vid_100 technologies ie fttp, fttc

[@corty1980]

Going by the Speedtest Global Index Australia is rated at 57th for fixed internet and 4th for mobile.

[@QuigsAnton]

My friend lives in Canberra (Theodore) Australia which still has slower than 256k broadband speeds and NBN may not be connected there until next year. They keep changing the date of connection. He is thinking of selling his house as it's affecting his work from home business.

[@jeffma7507]

If they wanted us to switch to NBN, at least they have to have stable connection, otherwise it’s just a stupid downgrade

[@larset9]

We are listed as getting FTTC, was meant to be completed by July then was delayed to Sept. Now it states unknown completion date. I was excited that we would be in one of the areas (4% of NBN connections only) w/FTTC as WiFi is bad in our area. A lot of dead spots so connection keeps dropping. We are on NBN ready ADSL2 with iinet & are fairly happy. I'm delaying changing into NBN because at this point it's not coming to the curb for those on NBN in our street as infrastructure isn't complete. So they must currently be on wireless from tower down road. We are constantly being told to switch to nbn now tho via reminders/emails, despite infrastructure not being complete & cut off date not being finalised due to lack of completion. I'm worried we'll go back to a spotty connection like we had on WiFi w/Vodafone prior to our connecting to iinet nbn ready. Constantly hearing problems from businesses around us re: connection.

[@byronbandit605]

They drilled and installed NBN cables in our neighbourhood over 1 year ago. We still do not have NBN to the curve or premise. NBN Australia has no records of this lines being installed. Criminals.

[@RAGINGXBULL2]

As someone with Fiber to the premises , I will say "The grass is not always green on the other side"

[@DAVIDx41]

Thanks Libs

[@pauldart8548]

The Network is on 4 G,But buy the time "it's done" we will be on 5 G

[@zahrans]

Watching this from a consistent & reliable 100mbps down 50mbps up FTTH connection in Sri Lanka. And since it's fibre all the way, it's already future-proofed with (no doubt) increased higher bandwidths but without the need to re-install any new cables or equipment.

[@phengov943]

Australia should of split up telstra like here in nz the government split up Telecom or Spark, to 2 individual companies Spark and Chorus and worked with Chorus new company to build the fibre network around the country. Instead of having to pay them to use their lines to build the fibre network by the government alone. Australia should have connected all the major cities with nbn first and not the rural locations. I am paying about the same as my uncle in Sydney but I am getting Gigabit fibre broadband at the same price as he is paying for only 100 mbp on the nbn, our whole city are able to connect to gigabit speeds here in Dunedin NZ. It's a pity Australia has slower internet now.

[@createcoms]

It is simply impossible for fixed wireless to give consistent speeds. You want a service that provides >100Mbps burst capability whilst managing 10-15% of that during the evening peak which means with proper QoE/QoS customers will in fact be able to stream/do regular internet stuff.

[@benshii]

How come in the USA this is possible for 300 million people, but in god damn Australia we can’t do it for more than 20 million people

[@Living_the_Highlight]

Kevin Rudd had the vision to see where we needed to be and look where we are now.

[@MrJohnreader]

I live in a rural town in New Zealand and have a 1Gbp/s down and 500Mbps/s uplink connection for well under $100 NZ per month and it's rock solid and the ONT mounted behind the TV and a Fritzbox installed all for $0

[@agent_soshi]

We’ve got fibre to the node and usually get ~45 down and ~15 up when it’s not peak time, which is almost what we pay for, but the whole neighbourhood is copper running off nodes.

[@wzk921109]

Mate, from wher I am, ADSL 2+ does 2-3 down, 0.5 up.

[@Jl777100]

I feel so bad for Australians. While many Americans have the same problems, I happen to live in an area with pretty good Cable Service. I noticed no congestion in the evenings and I get a reliable 100/10 connection all the time. I have options for 400/20 and 945/45 service also.

[@seanrogers3389]

Unless you're on FTTP or HFC you're getting shafted. The government cut corners to save money and introduced several cheaper access types like FTTN/B and FTTC which almost completely defeated the purpose of NBN in the first place. They should have gone all in with FTTP rather than piggybacking off of old ADSL / PSTN lines that have been in place for decades.

[@lolhleplol]

1gbps up/down.. feels good man :D

[@alexandermccarthy]

Not just regional towns. The LNP has completely buggered up what should have been a mostly FTTP network, with a smattering of fixed wireless or sky muster.

[@azaz6951]

We still don't even have the nbn in my area yet lol I'm in Melbourne

[@simonkormendy849]

Remember, Australia is supposed to be a democratic country, democracy is supposed to be about governance for the people by the people, not "for the rich by the rich".

[@BibleStorm]

How do we go about changing that?