Why The Other Mafia Families Don't Respect Pegorino, Why Hes A Joke- GTA 4 Lore Explained

[@galilalexandro4392]

Jimmy Pegorino never had the makings of a varsity mob boss

[@imagamershorts]

As Niko said he was "a fucking joke" 😂

[@sebastianmarcu4368]

@@imagamershortsalso a FAT one. A fat fucking joke 🤣🤣🤣

[@ant_cuts_]

@@imagamershorts”A fat fucking joke” 😂😂😂😂

[@FarhanSyaputra-li1be]

"A joke? Huh... (laughs)"

[@danksydephil3983]

Indeed. His standards were more... remedial in nature.

[@NinjaskKing]

Jimmy Pegorino was a legend in his own mind. It’s a miracle that his organization lasted as long as it did or he didn’t end up dead sooner

[@broden4838]

As Bruce Wayne once said: Every villain is a hero in their own story

[@NinjaskKing]

@@broden4838 well the reality hit him like a tone of bricks when Niko came for him.

[@readlater8962]

​@ninjaskking433 It's worse for jimmy when you realize that it wasn't even one of the more powerful bosses that came for him, instead he was taken out by a fresh off the boat immigrant, basically a nobody. Like Niko, says, he really was a fat fucking joke.

[@julesandrewsusvilla4657]

He's the Steven Seagal of Mafia bosses

[@heavyglamrocker1987]

With all the muscle he hired off the street no wonder he had an informant problem 😔🤷🏻‍♂️

[@CevicheGato]

Pegorinos biggest reason of not being taken seriously as a gangster boss: hiring street muscle. Instead of professional criminals.

[@somegoodfella]

Almost every matured criminal was street muscle once though

[@ScoutTrooperMan]

@@somegoodfella true but the reason why Jimmy P's bad at doing it is that he just hires every john doe off the street who wants to be tough without doing some check on them to see if they are a fed

[@johnclay2716]

All members of the mafia start out as street muscle unless they're nepo babies You start out as a kid doing small time crimes, you get a crew going, eventually if you show your worth you get made, that's how it works

[@Thewolfe112]

Ancelottis hired street muscle too.

[@heavyglamrocker1987]

​​@@Thewolfe112 not to mention aligning themselves with, of all people Dimitri Rascalov, once the Ancelottis and their Albanian muscle had a falling out.

[@beingadeeb2345]

My opinion on JP was he had the brains to earn money but not to run a Mafia Family. I think Mr. P was better off as a legitimate businessman rather than a criminal. Edit: You know, not even Mrs. P respects her husband.

[@tSunrise_]

"legitimate" businessman

[@beingadeeb2345]

@@tSunrise_ No I don't mean Semeon. I mean a legitimate good guy.

[@justdanceparadisearchive3888]

Jimmy probably abused his son into suicide. Any mother would divorce the man who murdered her son.

[@thebananagamer56]

Like simeon! We need more legitimate business men in the GTA universe. People should look up to simeon.

[@zahirecoates]

True

[@IlllIlIlIIlll]

You know a games lore is good when you can talk about it for over 2hours

[@0902_]

The only thing I like about GTA 4

[@Black-White-BW1]

Yes indeed man!

[@germanplayer69420]

Fr

[@Blaza303]

And that's only on 1 ingredient in this masterpiece

[@hewhobattles8869]

You can't help but appreciate and respect the amount of time and work that Profesional puts into squeezing every last drop of lore and info out of these games.

[@nicklowe1815]

One thing i noticed is that on the first mission with Peg, you have to wear a suit. This made us think that Pegorino is this powerful and respected Don with a lot of power and authority, but as the story progresses, it kinda made me feel like the suit is nothing more than an attempt to make Jimmy look more important than he really is. On gravelli's first mission, we didnt get a requirement to wear a suit. It kinda makes Jon look like that whether you wear a suit or not, if you had the skill and power to impress Jon, you might earn his respect.

[@studentNEET319]

Also I think Jon wouldn't want to make Niko waste on them suits

[@jorgebersabe293]

​@@studentNEET319 Jon Gravelli, unlike Peg, he understood that true power doesn't need flaunting.

[@geordiejones5618]

Gravelli is my favorite minor character other than Stubbs. He's on his death bed and he's crazy powerful, deeply respected and still in the graces of the feds.

[@LordRaptor]

As someone who really likes both the Sopranos and GTA, the Pegorino family were fun characters to interact with.

[@beingadeeb2345]

Mr. P is such an underrated charector. It is rare to see Morally Grey (For criminal) antagonists in games let alone a GTA game.

[@williamboske7321]

@@beingadeeb2345 Pegorino isn't morally grey.

[@broden4838]

Funny thing is that Pegorino's VA is not only a voice acting coach, but appeared on a Denny's commercial as well

[@johnclay2716]

I wish GTA 6 would have been 1970s Mafia

[@CompositeCreativity]

@@johnclay2716We have the third game in the Mafia series for that if that’s what you’re looking for. Plus why would GTA 6 go back in time instead of moving forward with the times like the other HD universe games since GTA 4?

[@mikeehrmantraut1899]

“Moral of the story is I chose a half measure when I should have gone all the way. I'll never make that mistake again. No more half measures.” This quote sums up perfectly how JP keep making half measures to beginning to the end

[@MrN0where]

Great quote and scene from Mike

[@gack1015]

No more, Butchie. No more of this.

[@RKNGL]

2:05:30 Consigleres are actually one of the few ranks in the Mafia were there's a historical precedent of them not having to be Italian. There were numerous high profile consigs like this usually ones who were adopted or trusted implicitly by the Don. The Italian requirement isn't really as much of a factor as they report directly to the Don and technically exist outside of the mob's chain of command, despite their recognized power and importance to the organization. Edit: You ended up addressing this a few minutes after i typed this.

[@bacd-nn2lg]

I think that Big Smoke quote described the best what Pegorino was lacking "Respect has to be earned, Sweet - just like money".

[@thebananagamer56]

"So what are you saying? You don't respect me?"

[@broden4838]

@@thebananagamer56 Big Smoke: What I'm saying is... I'm hungry!

[@heavyglamrocker1987]

​@@broden4838 Carl, you look a little thin, man. Ya gotta eat!

[@yunjin909]

@@heavyglamrocker1987 Yeah I could eat

[@mrnk88]

"CHEESE has to be earned, Sweet - Just like MEMES" - Flying Kitty's YTP Big Smoke

[@alexchavez9791]

Jon Gravelli always said: “The Pegorinos are nothing but a glorified crew”

[@ScurJaldaan]

Five Fuckin' families, and we got this other pygmy thing over in Alderney

[@AgentDanielCross]

​@@ScurJaldaan or Guernsey

[@palimelodies793]

Watch it, Chrissy!

[@heavyglamrocker1987]

That nonsense for my dear friend James Pegorino...

[@deathrager2404]

whatever they are alex, the pegorinos bring in alot of cheese.

[@coolguyyy9071]

There’s one deleted phone call from Pegorino after Niko kills Dimitri in A Dish Served Cold where Pegorino scolds Niko for ruining everything, that one phone call shows how Pegorino has lost it after trying to do everything to get onto The Commission

[@broden4838]

You know, I'd like to see a script of it or hear it

[@coolguyyy9071]

@@broden4838 This is the call Jimmy: “YOU SMUG F#CKING BASTARD, AFTER ALL I DONE FOR YOU???, YOU PLAY ME LIKE THIS??!!!. I HAD THAT DEAL SET UP! I NEEDED THIS, IT WAS MY ONLY WAY BACK IN AND YOU F#CKED ME!” Niko: “I never made any promises to you Mr. Pegorino, I’m my own man and I follow my own instincts. Dimitri and I had unfinished business so I went ahead and finished it, that’s something you’re going to have to accept” Jimmy: “I guess I will, the horse is gone, and I can’t get Phil on the phone, who knows what happened to him? Think of all the money you coulda made” Niko: “Money’s not what motivates everyone, Mr. Pegorino. I had more important things to think about. Now, I’m out. I don’t want to get involved with this sh#t no more. Good luck to you” Jimmy: “You’re a snake. You’ve turned around and but the hand that fed you! How hard would it be to suck up your pride to do one deal??!!! Now, I got nothing left to lose” Niko: “Hey, sorry things didn’t work out, goodbye”

[@Nativemobboss]

@@broden4838 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6eTo4p8n691lassi=ZaAbbRHzRABJgOGS

[@yourbarber6732]

@@broden4838 I still got it maybe because my version was downgraded. I was laughing so hard at him raging about his whole plan falling apart. Feels like the last time there's a laughable moment with him until you go after him relentlessly for the last mission

[@steventalvinzvestal420]

Dealing drugs with Dimitri does not get you onto the commission and we saw that.

[@TheRookie2467]

This reminds me of a Game of Thrones quote from Tywin Lannister: "Any man who says 'I am the King' is no true king". Power isn't about telling that you have power. It's about showing it.

[@Benny-Fazio]

Pegorino is tired… See him to his shinebox

[@jorgebersabe293]

Jon Gravelli is the personification of being a king. He knows he is the King, yet he never flexes or flaunts.

[@Rares_G4H]

Interesting that Pegorino is based on Phil Leotardo who is played by Frank Vincent who is also Salvatore Leone in the 3D GTA. All I hear is Salvatore while watching the Soprano's scenes.

[@jbatts834]

Wait but his whole back story and a lot of his details are based of tony, he even owned a strip club like tony. I’m confused how he’s based of Phil Leonardo, I see 0 similarities both back story and personality wise.

[@theportugueselegend]

​@@jbatts834Nothing more than visually. Even then, Peg and Frank Vincent are generally italian looking, nothing more. The family had Soprano's traits, but are really based of the DeCavalcante family

[@broden4838]

Not to mention Billy Batts (someone who was killed by Tommy DeVito) in Goodfellas

[@Aurora-bv1ys]

Only thing I see similar is both wearing a double breasted blazer on a mock neck sweater

[@heavyglamrocker1987]

Pegorino would gladly do 20 yeahs in tha can.

[@SoraFan23]

The thing is Pegorino is desperate and he really wanted to be on top of everyone else. When things don't go his way he acts very aggressive towards everyone even wanted them dead. Just like how when Niko said how he didn't want to work with Dimitri Rascalove because they had history, Pegorino threaten Niko saying "Do it or me and you are gonna have a problem". This just shows how desperate he is for those to do his dirty work so he stands out. Of course if the player picked Revenge, Pegorino does find out that Niko didn't work with Dimitri, so as a result he lashes out and tries to kill Niko at the Wedding but ends up killing Kate instead. Again it shows how much he is willing to go after those who "double crossed" him and wants them dead.

[@broden4838]

Pegorino reminds me of Admiral Greyfield/Sigimund from Advance Wars: Days of Ruin (even though the Peg is not as evil as the Admiral)

[@starlaixystar]

But Kate was stupid and annoying character and I was happy when she died. Jimmy did good thing here.

[@user-nn7ct3hk7c]

@@starlaixystarpsychopath

[@Philipp3022]

If you do the deal Dmitri betrays Pegorino which is super ironical as well since Niko knows best that Dmitri is greedy selfish rat + Niko knows that the Commision families have a big problem with the Russians trying to take over the heroin market. Pegorino dies because he refuses to listen to Niko because of his boss-pride.

[@beingadeeb2345]

TBH, Nico DID Double Cross him fwiw.

[@starman1004]

I remember seeing the article of Gravelli passing away and was actually upset even though it was inevitable. When you have that feeling towards a video game character who wasn't exactly a good person, you know it was a well written character.

[@emilfrederiksen.1622]

Gravelli was loyal and an honorable gangster.

[@OhyeahMrKrabz]

You know GTA 4 is a legendary game when someone makes a 2 and a half video on its lore

[@jessiedehart3462]

If only I wasn’t listening to some kid with a squeaky voice

[@theyapconnoisseur]

It's more a sign of someone being a yapper than anything else.

[@onlyechadtherebellious2467]

Sheesh, what are these takes under the OP?

[@theyapconnoisseur]

@@onlyechadtherebellious2467 facts

[@quickchannel2232]

Pegerino is like Florida Jokers threatening to sue rockstar with 6 final warnings for making a reference about him in the trailer claiming that he brings them attention when in reality he's a joke

[@danielvelaswuez7197]

I agree and almost laughed at him wanting to voice act the character

[@Megumi_Bandicoot]

2:28:56 “Big Smoke was right, that people will atleast remember him.” He never got mentioned, not even once, in GTA V :|

[@mr.andrew7820]

GTA 5 Takes place in a different universe

[@Moecinnako]

I love the in-depth lore to this! It made sense why Peggorino compared to other mafias are weaker and are taken as a joke. It’s literally a one man operation with no strong support with just Ray by his side. These writers did a great job implementing the mafia structure tree and shown us the big difference of the previous mafias vs the Pegorinos. This is a great deep dive analysis!!

[@maminpospolit5895]

"20 years in Alderney.I wanted a place in the Commission.I compromised.I did all the things that I could to make me and my crew look stupid and weak" ©Jimmy Pegorino

[@sebastianmarcu4368]

He did 20 f**king years in Alderny. 20 f**king years. He wanted to eat manigotti, but he ate Burger Shot Bleedburgers 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bluesnake1713]

He wanted to have good guys into my family. But he compromised. He hired bunch of goons more brawns than brains. Jimmy having 20 years of being an Alderney clown.

[@TheHulk1850]

​​@@sebastianmarcu4368 "20 years in the can. I wanted a Heart Stopper. I compromised, I had Fowl burgers and Spunk out of the toilet, instead." -Jimmy Pegorino

[@michaeldiaz6224]

Pegorino was the laughingstock of all the Mafia, a walking joke. And paraphrasing Marlon Brando's character in the movie On the Waterfront... Pegorino: "I could have been a Don!"

[@TheMadeMan5685]

Also does anyone else find it strange that for a Liberty City family who is the weakest out of the other families on the Commission, The Ancelotti’s are mentioned a lot in the game, you’d think that Old Man Ancelotti would’ve made an on screen appearance in either gta 4 or TBOGT after his 2 Capo’s Frankie and Chubby Charlie were sent with the fishes and when his daughter Gracie got kidnapped.

[@theportugueselegend]

That's the point. The Ancelottis, like the Pegorinos, screw up a lot, so they show up a lot and are targeted by smaller criminals. You saw Rocco and his uncle, if those guys are made.... well. My point is the Gambettis and the Pavanos are way stronger and working for Jon Gravelli you notice that. While Jimmy Peg is dealiing with small time crap, the Gravellis run politicians, can step on the whole Russian mob and are capable of bringing Darko from Switzerland in chains

[@emilfrederiksen.1622]

@@theportugueselegend I mean even Fredo in the godfather is made. A lot of people being sons or tied to the mob by family in someway will be made even tho they have no business being in the mob.

[@costello__22]

Something that’s also interesting about Phil’s situation is that since 2000 the mob doesn’t trail your family roots back as much anymore, as long as your father is of Italian heritage you can be made. Keeping in mind his surname, his father is probably not Italian but this reinforces the fact that Pegorino could’ve easily made him without raising much concern or mockery among the other families.

[@Nine9005]

We will be watching this TheProfessional. This may be one of the best lore videos I've ever seen on your channel. I am so glad that I'm your channel member for a year! It's a long-long road ahead until GTA VI comes out.

[@ddfdfufff9170]

21:34 I don't think Ray's the only one. We see him most of the time, sure. But because we work for him. And also it's possible that the guy behind peg in cut scene for Pest Control is the underboss. (He looks as old as peg, but he also could be just a soldier). Still from the game it seems that Phil and Ray are making like a half of family's money. Shows how incompetent are other captians and Jimmy himself, if he don't have a guy in his family who could earn

[@Godfather9814]

I agree, cause just like in the sopranos or better yet in the godfather there could easily be more soldiers and capos that are never seen on film. Cause like you said Phil and Ray are probably the top earners in the pegorino family that’s why we see them the most with Jimmy because they have a lot more say so cause they bring in the big bucks. My guess is there might be another capo or two running around in Alderney that we don’t see cause they don’t bring enough to the table to warrant pegorino taking their opinions. What I always wondered during one of the cutscenes in TLAD Ray mentions to Johnny that he’s got a boss that’s a paranoid wreck, and someone else above him with a brain like an artichoke which makes me wonder is there someone else that might’ve been an underboss or a capo that’s got a little more say so in the family that we don’t see

[@doesntmatter152]

​@@Godfather9814 I think Ray's refering to Phil with the artichoke comment

[@Rares_G4H]

A 2 hours lore video is worth waiting. I have so much fun watching or listening them.

[@hashem6356]

JP: I know you got history with that Dimitri but we need to do this! Niko: So since you also have "history" with the Pavanos let us go pay a visit to them first.

[@jonathanpapadax6064]

He was becoming more desperate that he might have done that

[@CevicheGato]

Finally the Pegorino family lore you promised us for months or a year to do. It took some copyright strike to get through this upload.

[@11bornrich]

Niko was John Wick, he was sent on impossible missions and managed to survive, then his former employer attempts to kill the guy you send to kill "the guy" and he misses. Pretty much the same concept

[@chris_player2995]

nah he was Al Pacino in "Carlito's Way'

[@zilla2nd517]

My guess on why Ray knows so much about the pegorino’s operations is because Pegorino talked about it loudly in the house

[@landintant]

It’s crazy how the Soprano "glorified crew” was winning the war against one of the top New York families.

[@theportugueselegend]

Meh. Just because the Lupertazzi's underestimated them a lot. And few people liked Philly. In just the last two episodes of the show theywacked almost all of Jersey, including Tony

[@rakinzareefislamsunflower5243]

Ray is like a one man army. Though he is a scumbag, he is a good earner and he should have gotten more help from Pegorino. He is the only capo which was also putting pressure on him.

[@starlaixystar]

Ray is cool. I like him.

[@Myon-94]

​@@starlaixystarwhy does everyone call ray a scumbag? Like he he didn't do anything to anyone

[@starlaixystar]

@@Myon-94 They hate him for stupid reasons. I like him.

[@furynvm]

@@starlaixystar Niko didn't even like him lmfao

[@broden4838]

Nice work, and it's a pity that there are a some people who act like Pegorino in real life

[@Icy-be5vl]

It's a pity that there are a lot girls who act like Kate in real life.

[@sonicyuuki2292]

Looks like there's a new reason why the Revenge ending is canon. Why would anyone work with Dimitri, a man who stabs people in the back, and Jimmy P, a mob boss who wants to be big time so much that he doesn't know what he's doing, has poor judgement, and has terrible leadership?

[@oss8298]

Cousin Roman wanted Niko to do it.

[@jokerofmorocco]

I think Niko would be more likely to listen to Kate since a woman can blind you and she gives more reason compared to Roman who just thinks about money

[@Hari-kx2er]

​​@@jokerofmorocco Regardless of woman blinding you or not, it is against Niko's character to spare Dmitri.

[@shusky567]

I dont blame Anthony. If my mafia boss was a scumbag to me id rat too

[@heavyglamrocker1987]

Peg beat Anthony like he was his own son. Can anyone blame Tone for taddling? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@theyung1]

You kinda got it right with the lack of consigilere not getting advice but thats not the real reason why the pegorino failed as a family, the main reason you have a underboss and consigilere and caporegime is to have a buffer between the boss and soliders and associates

[@TheElcollin]

I like how in the revenge ending, Niko doesn't even feel the need to disarm Pegorino, who's clearly brandishing a pistol. No one ever treats him as any kind of a threat.

[@Raycloud]

Personally, i think doing the deal with Dimitri feels more like the right ending to the game. Dimitri works best as the last boss rather than Pegorino, who dies pathetically if you do the deal.

[@Deriv44]

I hope Phill went to Vice City to start his own organization after GTA IV and maybe we could do jobs with him in GTA 6

[@Icy-be5vl]

I hope not. GTA 6 is enough bad already.

[@hecunotmakingalogisquad5785]

​@@Icy-be5vlhow do you know did you play it?

[@Icy-be5vl]

@@hecunotmakingalogisquad5785 I don't need to play to know. Main characters will be a couple. It's already a bad sign.

[@beingadeeb2345]

​@@hecunotmakingalogisquad5785 Ignore her she is crazy

[@steele_heart77]

@@beingadeeb2345 ☕️women

[@ZombfectedGaming349]

At least you finally got this one finished. Great work on this one just like the Floyd/Deborah/Trevor video and the Michael/Trevor/Brad one too.

[@PatrickBautista_RR3Gamer]

You, my friend, are one of the most hardworking VG KZbinrs of all time.

[@jackleeray]

Funny thing about Phil being Irish and not being able to be made, despite being very qualified for entry and assignment to positions like capo or even advisor/consigliere in the family, is that the Messinas have an Irish underboss named Harry Hall in the LCPD database, and theres no apparent problems there. So even in the commision, one of the families was able to break the old rule and appoint an Irishman, why not the no-name gumbas from Alderney? Its been done by a mid-teir mob family so it shouldnt be too crazy to think of it being done by the nobodies out in Alderney. Truthfully, Pegerino is too narcissistic to take advise from anyone. Having an advisor is against his philosophy as a boss, and is why he fails, like The Profesional points out.

[@randomfist797]

Forget the video for a second. The Prof is a badass. Pumping out long form vids, live streams, smaller vids. He cosplays in his vids. He’s willing to talk about all sorts of subjects while streaming. All the while being a wholesome, good dude. Keep it up Prof, there’s a reason so many people like you.

[@oliverpony]

Fun fact: in The mission pest control you were supposed to choose between either killing Ray or Phil . Ray would give you a big cash reward for killing Phil and phil would have given you a smaller one But it was changed possibly due to ray becoming an antagonist in Lost and damned

[@sguper6912]

One thing that wasn’t mentioned was if you notice car in front of his house was the Chrysler but once Niko earns his money after a while turns into the Bentley

[@valexx2651]

Another gem from TheProfessional. It’s amazing to see how much depth the writers put these gangs. I hope GTA VI has the same quality story as GTA IV. Anyways, I love your vids and the amount of work you put into them.

[@JAZZY_JASMINE-z5n]

Gta vi wont

[@emilfrederiksen.1622]

It won't you can't make games like this anymore it will be called racist and offensive. And Sadly Rockstar has decided to full on appeal to that crowd of people.

[@yvespenaflor4610]

GTA5 is a comedy compared to GTA4. GTA4 is more like Jason Statham movie loo

[@keithhunter3033]

Holy cow a 2:29 long lore video on my favorite GTA game from my favorate youtuber!!! This is the best thing happened so far in 2024. Another 10x looper this is.

[@StefanoC19]

I'm still Watching the Video Pro, I need to say this... This video is incredible, you took your time you shouldn't worry, because the results are incredible. One thing you forget to mention is this. Teddy Benavídez is also an Associate of the family, if you check the LCPD record you'll see that he is an associate of the Pegorino Family. Ray had him killed by Niko because he didn't respect "The waste management process" (Or something like that). I used the same line that Ray used to explain why he Wants Teddy dead.

[@50rads]

This felt like you were the commissioner debriefing the force on the next assignment. Very professional.

[@kingash9831]

Okay So I basically watched the entire video And here's my take on this Jimmy Pegorino is not only a bad boss But also, a corrupted leader Always believing That he will bring change for the greater good But doesn't trust his associates And hires anyone who could potentially rat him out A real boss should be the intimidating figure that everyone admires and respects A real boss doesn't run away from a fight and pretends to be a big shot They take legal action And help the family Become stronger and powerful But clearly, he did none of that He mistreated Phil, Ray Antony But also Nico as well Nico deep down, knew what a total punk and terrible person he is And respected Jon Gravelli, because Jon kept to his word And people respected him Because he doesn't pretend being somene else And he admits or regret things he has done Also, great job once again Professional 👏👏👏 For putting so much effort and hard work into this video And showcased another brilliant lore video Brilliant work 👏👏👏👏👏

[@Muramasa1794]

Well said, great comment

[@Yakarix]

just want to say we appreciate the lore videos an hard work it takes for u to edit these videos an research it takes

[@JordoTWFS]

been watching you for 6 years now man. Pretty sure you had just over 100k, and were mostly doing GTA Online content. I just had a really long night at work and i come home to a 2 HOUR LORE VIDEO FOR GTA IV??? this is a blessing. All the love and prosperity to you pro, your videos make my life a little better

[@davidrosales5695]

Poor Ray Boccino . He was my favorite mobster but man he was screwed over by johnny and eventually his own boss. Thats sucks

[@justiceforjoggers2897]

Ray was just good at doing his job, shame he had to go that way

[@Myon-94]

Why do hot guys need to pay for the mistakes of old ugly men 😢😢

[@davidrosales5695]

@@justiceforjoggers2897fr

[@ziggazaggar]

honestly wish there were more missions for ray and phil in the game, they are truly underrated characters and it would have been nice to see rockstar take on the whole italian mob setting in gta 4 more

[@User-jvr85g]

Why? Niko hates him, literally calls him a rat

[@gatewayofboredom]

Also there's cut calls that give Pegorino a greater presence than in the final game Little Jacob would've talked about them and referred to the family as mascots (basically jokes) Also there was a cut call after killing Dimitri where Pegorino flips his shit and screams at Niko

[@pineapplesmoovey7898]

because his name sounds like cheese

[@lil-neutron1437]

The wait was definitely worth it 😌

[@jokerofmorocco]

I think if Pegorino ordered Niko to kill Dimitri and wiped out the Russian mob, that would've been enough to gain Gravelli's respect and since his family was most powerful that would've been enough for him to get him in

[@brontiago]

You’re one of the best lore KZbinrs I’ve seen. There’s something about the way you explain things that really pulls me in. I think it’s because you sound like you’re speaking naturally from your own mind instead of reading from a script with no emotion.

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

Finally the Pegorino Family lore video. Many eons I’ve waited to witness. Finally!

[@mikelitorous5570]

Just getting back into gta 4. Especially the last part of the game and this pops up. Perfect timing, great video

[@TheMaleAlicorn]

*WOOHOOO!!!!!!!* IT'S FINALLY UP!! CONGRATS MY MAN, THIS VIDEO IS GONNA BE SO GOOD!!! I am so proud of you man, you deserve all the views and subs you have ever gotten. You are one of the most passionate and kindest KZbinrs I have ever watched. Here's to many many more lore videos from you! 🥂🥳

[@BrainstormJr2nd]

The fact that brother Pro made a 2 hour analysis over a character that's in 3/3rd of the game, definitely shows how much better the writing was in GTA IV.

[@KvngBl33ZY09]

Just a few days ago I rewatched the gta iv play through. And I remember you mentioned making a Pegorino lore video soon and I had literally told myself that I wonder if it’s still happening, then lo and behold here it is! What timing!

[@philipsalama8083]

At the end of the day, if you're visibly desperate to gain someone's respect, you'll never get it. Whether it's someone you like romantically, a friend group, a social class - you'll never be taken seriously if you're trying to get in with them all the time. Pegorino would have been far more respected by the Commission if he didn't bother trying to get a seat, and rather just focused on building his business in Alderney, and solidifying it as his undisputed turf.

[@Onio_362]

6:47 u know ur not respected when the few who do know your name don't even get it right

[@zombiehunter501]

Just realised today. Pegorino in both endings died to a gunshot to the face, right between the eyes. I think this is meant to mean that Pegorino was so arrogant, so narcissistic, so full of himself. That he was blind to what he had in coming to him, even when he was facing it with his own eyes. Even with cold reality in front of his very nose. He was delusional to the end.

[@lilil-liil-ilili5182]

Pegorino has no honor, no reputation, no loyalty, no respect, no power.

[@friendlyninja5048]

It's a testament to how varied and interesting the cast of GTA IV is that, in addition it's a regular villainous factions, there are villainous factions who want to "sit with the cool kids" and yet are no less well written than their more established counterparts. Not every antagonist needs to be the main antagonist

[@sebastianmarcu4368]

I loved this video!! Couldn’t wait for you to release it for years!! I wanted so bad to hear you talk about GTA IV, The Sopranos and Mafia in general, it was just so satisfying. So many connections, you can definitely tell that Rockstar loved The Sopranos and this just shows what a great show it was. Purely one of the best shows of all time, if not the best. Even Vince Gilligan, the creator of Breaking Bad, said that without Tony Sopranos there would’ve been no Walter White. An exceptional show. And the way Rockstar got inspired by The Sopranos, created a New Jersey (Alderny) Mafia that is not taken serious, but made the best decission to create a boss to that Mafia inspired by the worst boss of The Sopranos show (Phill Leotardo), it’s just perfect. I mean, if they would’ve based The Pegorinos one to one to The Sopranos, with someone like Tony boss, they would not have too many possibilities. Tony was, after taking everything into consideration, a good boss. Niko would’ve respected someone like Tony, and they would’ve had a good partnership. So the game couldn’t be so much a drama, probably if someone like Tony would’ve run The Pegorinos with Phill Bell Consigliere, Ray Boccino Underboss, Anthony, Luca and others Soldiers and Niko as an associate, they would 100% kill Dimitri, join The Commission and the game would most likely have a happy ending. But by creating Jimmy P based on someone like Phill Leotardo and putting him the leader of a pretty weak Alderny family and making him doing so many mistakes, they were able to make GTA IV a true drama story, a masterpiece. You got to love the GTA IV story, it’s just so brilliant. And The Sopranos, God, I wish that we would still got shows like that. Even tho I heard about it many years ago, I only watched it last year, 2023. After my 23rd birthday. And after finishing it I started to watch it again with my girlfriend. Yes, it is that good of a show. After watching it the second time I understood many things that you just can’t get right when you watch it the first time. We both loved that show, James Gandolfini’s act was brilliant, Cristopher it’s definitely the source of inspiration for Jessie from Breaking Bad, Silvio and Paulie were so damn pure italian, I love that series. Maybe that’s also why I loved GTA IV since I discovered it back when I was 9 years old (2009). I love those type of stories, and I love NYC and New York State. The vibe is so damn good. The American Dream seen thru italians, serbians, russians… I am from România, so I can relate to that dream.

[@richardtollerton6476]

You have to put respect on the professional nobody else can put together a video that's nearly 3 hours long with this kind of lore and call backs and references to other series with similar themes. Appreciate you brother keep it up you're one of the best gta youtubers

[@MrCorruptSteve666]

Respect for this video, one of the greatest lore vids youve made

[@thefeatheruffled]

this video is just Pro absolutely roasting Jimmy P's entire existence for 2.5 hours. in other words, its pure perfection.

[@isaiahjoseph7352]

Honestly glad you're still making these. Started watching them over the weekend extensively over the weekend with GTA SA and they've all been great!

[@TeeJayMate]

please don't feel the need to push a fast pace, you are pretty consistent on your quality and it makes it easy to be patient for your new content. and ofc, this video was a banger too.

[@muggins2279]

Phil is utterly wasted on Pegorino, guys like him are what make the difference between a crew and an organisation

[@Evarakeus]

The Pegorino family being based, on a surface level, on the Soprano family while Jimmy himself is actually based on the on New Yorker who most looked down on the Sopranos is some pretty fun irony. I also found it interesting that the Lupertazzi family actually seems to respect the Sopranos, and particular Ton', quite a bit more than the LC families do Pegorino; not only are Johnny Sack and Carmine Jr. friends of Tony S, but they've got tons of inter-twined business deals going on, and, as much as Sack does start trying to muscle in once he's in power, he still does sit-downs with Tony and goes about it all fairly diplomatically. He's stepping on Tony's toes where the LC families were just treading all over Peg

[@TheMadeMan5685]

Hey Professional great video!! This is going to pretty much be my favorite lore video from you of all time. I really like this Mafia stuff I can’t see myself doing anything like that because of all the consequences that come with it like someone snitching to the authorities, problems with other gangs/families, and most importantly getting put out of the equation, I know most guys who do that line of work will most likely have a violent death and that’s why despite how much of this kind of stuff I see in this game or The Sopranos that’s why I WOULD NOT do it despite how much money can be earned.

[@TheMadeMan5685]

And what we all immediately realized that Pegorino never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

[@Aurora-bv1ys]

Pegorino wanted the manicott

[@Sweezzie]

Perfect timing putting this Lore video out, im just playing through GTA 4 again

[@ultimatecontagion]

I absolutely love the lore videos you come up with, especially if they're tied/connected to GTA IV/EFLC. They definitely do help me out if I have a question regarding something of the lore that my brain cannot come up with since I have ADHD.

[@captaindowntown7851]

What's up Berry? Been long

[@ultimatecontagion]

@@captaindowntown7851 what's good Captain Downtown?

[@captaindowntown7851]

@winnesota_ I'm good bro 😎

[@ultimatecontagion]

@@captaindowntown7851 that's good

[@MrWaifuTaker]

Woke up this morning, got myself a Pro lore video to watch!

[@zali9657]

I’ve been watching your Lore videos recently and they’re very well done and they all got me hooked

[@ctbans]

Jimmy P was delusional to the core. Ray gets screwed over time and time again, his mistake was trying to rise in a joke of a family that is the Peggorinos

[@lilil-liil-ilili5182]

Jimmy Pegorino, extremely hypocritical, delusional, stubborn and narcissistic.

[@IS34PreteristForce]

Patrick, thank you so much for making this. You put a lot of work into your lore videos and it should be appreciated.

[@mgarym213]

One of the best long documentaries of your channel Patrick! Keep up with the great work!

[@jamesheath7601]

These videos are great. Thanks for taking the time to make them.

[@alexanderradcliffe5578]

I keep coming back to this video over and over again. It's a really good video essay

[@palimelodies793]

We can't have Jimmy Pegorino in our social club no more...

[@yacined4190]

i feel like i've been stabbed in the heart

[@yungjahallah3246]

If I didn’t know any better I’d suspect the professional is the acting boss of a major mafia family lol, this guy really knows his stuff

[@jbkheshster1342]

Yesss pro. You're a masterpiece at making lore videos and Rockstar is amazing at making lore let's hope to see some GTA VI lore videos in the future when it comes out ❤ Edit: I forgot to thank you for all your hard work as well we appreciate it as viewers to your dedication.

[@HAYK1L26]

06:52 the beautiful Irish accent from Packie, I literally love this part where he talks so pejorative about them "guido gangsters outa Alderney" xD

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

1:51:30 I personally assume he choose now to do it because he knew he could pin the blame on Niko and avoid trouble with Peg's loyalists or the 5 families. Same reason he has his men start killing Peg's men midway through a firefight, it's the perfect cover.

[@justsomeguy747]

Pro I really appreciate your efforts and I love your lore videos. I just wanted to express my thoughts. I think Jimmy received fed problems also due to Ray’s actions and constant assassinations ordered by him. Also, killing off the Ancelottis was a means to acquire their seat on the Commission at some point. As for Ray i think it’s a 50-50 chance he was a rat or not. Sure Ray knew that Jimmy was paranoid but travelling with bodyguards is something he never did. As for Phil, he likely advocated for Ray’s death as Ray did for him. Jimmy chose to trust the more loyal person. As for the heroin deal’s buyers being the Ancelottis it makes far more sense than you think. Niko and Phil are arriving at the deal. Dimitri knew that. Phil and Niko orchestrated the murder of the Ancelottis underboss Charles Matteo. They also likely wanted revenge for Gracie’s kidnap as Rocco did mention that Ancelotti was still angry about it during Party’s Over. Even if officially they made a deal with the Pegorinos, they still would’ve eliminated their top associates, thus no one would’ve cared as Alderney would have been taken over by the Five Families. I guess a part of me feels bad for Jimmy because really all that he wanted was to be acknowledged and grew up somewhere he couldn’t have learned how to run a family effectively, whereas other mobsters grew up in Dukes and Algonquin. However despite this I think Jimmy was resourceful in his own way and he was shown to be quite wealthy and his goons were very well-armed in both Endings. As for Dimitri leaking the cocaine deal to Jimmy, who knows. Dimitri wasn’t as powerful as he could have been as in during Deal. I don’t think Niko despised Pegorino. Just found him a wealthy contact and had straightforward regular respect to him.

[@beingadeeb2345]

I forgot this is discord but yeah I agree. Even after killing him, Niko feels quite sad looking at his corpse. He was angry at him for killing Kate but even he sympathized for him to some degree.

[@williamboske7321]

@@beingadeeb2345 You're reaching with this one.

[@emilfrederiksen.1622]

Jimmy is a huge douche screaming and being annoying all the time his also a huge narcissist its extremely hard to feel bad for him he refuses to run an effective operation and actually listen to smart people like Phil. Niko clearly does not fear or respect Jimmy in the slightest. Everything that happened to Jimmy was his own fault. If he listened to Phil he would have never gotten into contact with Dimitri and avoided tons of trouble with the feds.

[@theyapconnoisseur]

This dude's yapping is contagious, I see.

[@Jared_Wignall]

Thank you for the video man. Your lore videos are amazing, especially if it’s regarding GTA IV. Keep up the great work and take care!

[@jackchipper7458]

Just replayed, the game and realized how well written the mafia plot. Its full of so much symbolism and and themes of power and control and greed. I wouldn’t be surprised if that portion, was written mainly by Dan Houser. Really underrated part in his carrier

[@faridagasiyev7042]

John Gravelli was one of my favorite side characters, he didn't betray Niko and kept his word. Agent ULP too

[@SameerSharma04]

1:16:10 Dimitri is a fucking hell of an antagonist

[@goldy_on_pc930]

Bell calling them enchiladas over and over is the funniest siii ever

[@princessmarlena1359]

You don’t “want” to be a member on the commission. The commission should “want” you to be a member. If they tell you to join them, it’s an offer you can’t refuse. **somber mandolin music**

[@Baferrriah]

The bless up and pleasant surprise of having a gta4 and sopranos combo analysis>>>> thanks Pro

[@octanesweat7065]

Even Salvatore Leone was a better boss than jimmy pegorino, i guarantee that salvatore wouldn’t-be stupid enough to trust dimitri unlike jimmy pegorino especially savaltore paranoia

[@zombiehunter501]

Sal would very much have Dimitri killed, most likely having Niko do it and steal the H to be sold by a more trusted man like Tony or Luigi. That said, not sure if he'd try to kill Niko. Niko wanted out, but I don't think Sal's paranoia would let him cut ties with Niko peacefully.