Why the Sonos Sub Mini is a BIG DEAL

[@GOLFADDICT65]

would the BEAM 2 + SUB MINI + ERA 100's be sufficient for a 12x14 foot room with 7.5 foot ceiling ? like to watch sports / movies / news channels or would just the ARC ULTRA by itself be just as good ? thx a bunch cheers from Canada

[@EricWelander]

Boy do I have a video for you! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ3PYn9rh5JghJo I would go with the Arc Ultra but either one is good.

[@markrigby2879]

I have a sonos arc soundbar in an open plan set up. My sofa is basically in the middle of the room, which is sizeable and heads off to the dining area and kitchen area behind. I have built the TV in a media wall so putting a sub near there would spoil the aesthetics of the set up. Neither do I want to place a large sub behind the sofa as this will look out of place from the rear. I have 2 round matching coffee tables at either end of the sofa. I was considering placing a mini sub beneath each table, as it would balance the view and the sound around the sofa and room. Would 2 of these work well together in a system

[@habsfan9383]

What’s the benefit of hard wiring the Ethernet cords to you system rather than wifi?

[@ahmedihero]

I wonder if the neighbors would complain about the bass?? I live in 65sm apartment and i would love to complete my sonos system with sub mini

[@rob5129]

Disabling WiFi causes issues for me. My beam gen 2 is plugged in via Ethernet and my era 300s are using WiFi. If I disable WiFi on the beam the era 300s cut in and out every couple of seconds. Enabling WiFi on beam and keeping it plugged in fixes this. No issues with this setup/setting for me.

[@Waterbottle365]

Hey there! My couch is right up against the back wall- is it still worth it to get rear surrounds that would basically be above where we’re sitting? Would look somewhat similar to what you’ve got going on in your setup. Glad you decided to continue making videos!

[@xianx1866]

Just put them facing a bit inward 😊

[@EricWelander]

I like Xian's placement idea

[@Preppy.Miley123]

I have a sonos arc with 2 sonos one sl for rear and the sonos sub mini. It is totally worth it for the surrounds. Mine are on the sides of my couch which is against a wall and it works very well.

[@BartRovers_]

I think you might have forgotten to mention how it pairs up with the Sonos Beam

[@rdboston7866]

Bought HomePods and put in the living room. Yeah that didn’t last long. I got the Sonos Arc with the Era 100 with stands. Boy I’m blown away how good they sound. I want the Sub mini now to complete the system. HomePods are in bedroom with my tv and apple tv They sound nice in there but no way were they going to make it in the main room. Can’t wait to get the sub mini and complete the system

[@stevelouie5928]

Sonos is like the new Bose.

[@AmDuffer]

Hey Eric, I understand that this Sonos Mini Sub supports Airplay2... So couldn't we just add that as an additional speaker to my AppleTV/Dual Homepod Pro set up to get a bit more bass?

[@carbongrip2108]

Seems like the Sonos Ray Sound bar and sub mini would make a great computer speaker setup assuming your computer supports optical audio…

[@EricWelander]

Yeah I guess that could be nice as computer speakers. I hadn't thought of it until you mentioned that idea. Very clever. Personally my Apple Studio Display built in speakers are good enough for that for me right now.

[@morells09]

Personally I think the Ray or any soundbar takes up too much room on a computer desk to use as PC speakers

[@dojousen292]

I currently have 3 sonos ones, 2 sonos symfonisk book shelves a sonos ray and a sonos sub mini all in my room for the ultimate music system, i trueplayed and turned up the treble and bass on all of my speakers, my sister was blown away and said it sounded like a concert, im super impressed with sonos!

[@zachishak25]

Is your sister single?

[@eando97]

@@zachishak25Any update on this? Asking for a friend.

[@Ben_A35K]

@@zachishak25☠️

[@sachin490]

Is it possible to connect this sub to like a KEF speaker or is it only compatible with other Sonos speakers?

[@mikaelsjoberg5024]

Why would you want to do that? KEF have better subwoofers than this

[@tomniedringhaus2755]

I went to Best Buy and got the Sonos Sub Mini on the first day to pair with my Beam Second Generation and two old Sonos Play 1 in the rear. Are you excited for Apple Musical Classical?

[@EricWelander]

Hey Tom that's great! Yes I'm very excited for Apple Music Classical. Even though I work in software development, I actually majored in violin performance in college. So I love classical music and I am underwhelmed by the current software options from Apple to listen to it. Hopefully Apple Music Classical is a step in the right direction.

[@boyafraidire]

That was definitely not the reply I was expecting to this question!

[@marvinschiller7909]

I'm using the sub mini currently pared with a sonos beam and it's adding a nice layer of warm base to the sound. I'm usually pretty picki in sound an used to bigger and more powerful speakers, but there's something about the sonos speakers that's just sounding so good. They are perfect for listening to music in low or medium levels and then you don't have the need to turn up the volume they blend in nicely. Without the sub mini the beam wouldn't be strong enough for me. With the base I wish sonos would enable to use stereo speakers for TV to enhance the separation and punch from the front. 2 play one have more mids and volume than a beam. I would prefer the sub mini over surround speakers, because you're not always watching movies where the surround effects are more important than adding a hole new dimension of depth to the sound of films and music. We where using the sub mini and 2 play ones and a beam for a party and managed to fill a 60m^2 room with sound. I was surprised by the sub, the limiting factor where the loudness of the speakers. That's where real stereo speaker towers come into place.

[@MacBookUser10]

The sub mini made a major difference for me! Best buy ever

[@quitegenius]

The sonos sub, both normal and mini is the weakest link of the surround setup, easily. I had SVS sb1000pro before I went surround sound and that thing beats the crap out of sub gen3. Now I know sonos is convenient and that’s why people buy it including me. But the sub just doesn’t have the tightness or depth that a good sub should offer. I would be willing to pay $1500 if Sonos came out with a sub like Kef kc62 rather than fancy looking things that can be vested by $200-300 HTIB subs. Honestly, everything else Sonos makes is amazing but the sub is just kinda disappointing, especially for music.

[@mrgold3591]

It is nice to have choices depending on you listening needs, budget, room environment, and room aesthetics. There is always something better; but, I didn't want huge A/V unit and tower wired speakers dominating the family room like an oversized mancave.

[@quitegenius]

@@mrgold3591 Well, that's the reason people go for sound bars. But it would be good if they offered a decent sub, be it at extra cost.

[@mrgold3591]

@@quitegenius Realistically, it is hard to find a decent sub for an A/V receiver system that isn't at an extra cost. I had a Nakamichi 7.2.4 system before Sonos. The dual subs from Nakamichi felt almost invisible and didn't contribute to 5.1 or Atmos experience as much as I liked. My office had a Sonos Beam Gen 1 (no Atmos), Gen 3 sub, and Symfonisk rear surrounds and that sounded noticeable better than the Atmos Nakamichi. Upgraded to the Sonos Arc, dual Gen 3 subs, and Fives are rear surrounds. The spouse and I have been very happy with the improved sound quality, whole house audio with 18 speakers total, ease of use/tuning, and blend into the background looks compared to the stand alone Nakamichi.

[@rdboston7866]

Sonos products together do a great job. Either you are all in or you’re not. I have the Arc with Era 100 and it sounds amazing and can’t wait to put the sub mini with it. 3 weeks and that will be done

[@richardbuckingham4329]

I am looking at buying my first home theatre system. I’m thinking of either getting an Apple TV 4K with dual HomePod 2s, or a Sonos Beam 2, with the option to add rear speakers and the sub mini later. So I’d love to see you make a video that compares the Apple and Sonos home theatre options. I like the look and the minimal footprint of the Apple system, but I’m thinking that the full Sonos system will be much better for home theatre / music listening.

[@richardbuckingham4329]

Actually, I just rewatched your recent HomePod 2,and found it very helpful. We watch TV in the lounge room, so the system has to look good. It also has a very high ceiling, and we listen to music as much as we watch TV, maybe more. So I’m thinking the HomePods might be the way to go.

[@EricWelander]

Hey Richard, yes if you aren't looking for a cinematic experience, I would go with a pair of HomePods for decent set-it-and-forget-it sound. If you are looking to gradually upgrade your setup to become the ultimate home theater over time, that's where Sonos has a big advantage.

[@richardbuckingham4329]

@@EricWelander Thanks for the reply 👍. I’ll go with the HomePods 2 .

[@dariocastro8274]

I don’t think these products are suitable for a proper home theater/stereo setup. Is it possible? Yes. Should you? Probably not. I get that looks are important, but how much of a premium are willing to pay for that? You could easily run a Bluesound Powernode into a pair of passive bookshelf speakers sitting on top of a nice pair of stands (see B&W STAV 24)

[@prsaxena]

Can you pair this with the Era300

[@EricWelander]

Yes I think so for music

[@cblord5]

Can you mix Sub Pro with Sub Mimi?

[@klopsy]

No

[@hindsy90]

Have a Sonos beam gen 2. Would you recommend the sub mini or one of the new era products to compliment it?

[@Kaniac47]

I have all three set up in my bedroom. I bought a Beam Gen 2 and shortly after I added one Era 300 (I am planning on adding a second at some point). The Era 300 was a great addition and made both the Beam and the Era generate great spatial and Dolby Atmos when working together. I just added a Sub Mini, which has been great so far and all three speakers sound incredible together. I am glad I bought them in the order that I did. If you are only looking to get one or the other right now, I would go with the Era and then add the sub at some point down the road. I can't speak for the Era 100 but I am definitely happy with the Era 300.

[@Totalplonker]

Having the same signal coming out of two separate homepod speakers is not what you call a stereo sound! That's basically a mono sound coming out of two separate speakers. (Big difference) I've had several soundbars and surround sound package but it was only when I purchased a budget AVR and a pair of budget speakers that I realised what I was missing, (stereo imaging, thumping bass, fully enveloping soundstage imaging etc) besides going down this route one can always add to it overtime... surround speakers, subwoofers one can even get height speakers and have the full non virtual Dolby Atmos experience. Nowadays AVRs has so simple to setup they even walk you through the process. Remember movies are made up of 50% visuals and 50% audio and there are occasions when the audio out does the visuals.

[@shaolinrockstar]

Actually as with most smart speakers, when you have two HomePods you can "pair" them and they will play in stereo.

[@Totalplonker]

​@@shaolinrockstarthey may say it's stereo but it certainly not going to be able to receive a stereo signal! Here's a track I'm going to recommend to put this to bed. Whatever music streaming platform you use try playing Van Morrison Moondance (2013 remastered) as you listen to the track you should hear the saxophone coming out to the left stereo speaker and the piano coming out the right stereo speaker and for the stereo imaging you should hear Van Morrison's vocals coming out in between the speakers. Sometimes referred to as a phantom Centre. I tried leaving a link but unfortunately this channel was unable to accept it. Would be nice for verification not for my sake but other homepod users sake.

[@GoodKingMort]

@@Totalplonkerthis is possible with most speakers that can be paired together now - including cheaper Bluetooth speakers. If you have two of the Sonos Era 100s, for example, you can pair them together and can listen to music in stereo. Not mono. Such as vocals coming from the centre, while different instruments come out of the individual speakers.

[@Totalplonker]

@@GoodKingMort that's great I'm happy for all you sonus 100 owners. Anything that promotes stereo music is all right By Me. Thanks for the enlightenment!

[@fredbureau-russell7718]

I was going to buy this just to add more bass to my HomePod speakers, but then the person at the Sonos website chat told me that I need to pair the Sonos hub with another Sonos speaker before it’s capable of airplay so there’s no point of me buying a Sonos speaker

[@EricWelander]

Yeah I hope Apple makes a sub some day to work with HomePods and HomePod minis.

[@morells09]

I’m confused as to how/why you thought this was possible in the first place lol

[@fredbureau-russell7718]

@@morells09 why wouldn’t it work ? you do know that they are all Apples airplay 2 feature compatible speakers right but sonos won’t let any of there subs work with airplay unless another Sonos speaker is paired with it first

[@fredbureau-russell7718]

@@morells09 you know what Airplay is right ?

[@morells09]

@@fredbureau-russell7718 yes….. do you?

[@ModernDayTech]

Great stuff, Eric. I haven't jumped into the Sonos arena yet, but I think I'm about to tip my toe into it. This was great info!

[@diosubescu]

The crossover when pairing with other sonos speakers isn't adjustable so all voices will come up from the sub ...

[@dhurogizta]

Can you add this to a stereo paired homepods?

[@EricWelander]

No you can't. I wish Apple would make a subwoofer that could do that.

[@rohanv18]

the only problem is we cant pair 2 of them or even with SUB 3 .. wish Sonos changes that

[@EnzoGarcia-w6t]

Love it but thats expensive for a mini sub.. wish they would get a little more reasonable. $300 would sound more reasonable

[@archero0714]

Yes please do a video about which sub woofer is best to use with HomePods!!! 😊

[@andrewsolley]

Love to see a video about Soho’s and airplay 2

[@paul9387]

Hello Eric, hello from Illinois to my favorite Illinois KZbinr, I have an Arc two Ones on original Sonos stands and two Subs. I had to place my subs behind the couch due to lack of space up front mainly because of my hue setup, I have two Hue Signe lamps on the floor. Wen Mini Subs showed up I first thought they would perfectly squeeze somewhere there. But having already two subs not sure if the app will allow me to add more subs than I already have.

[@EricWelander]

Hello! Thanks ☺️ Yeah I don't think you can have more than two subs in a single surround setup. It's a slight bummer though that you bought in before the sub-mini was here to take up less space in your room.

[@filipsvejda9350]

I would be few more subs just to be sure

[@paul9387]

@Eric Welander yea I had it for close to a year, and now they here. Bass is owing from behind the couch which is only OK for having two subs. I mean it's still bad ass but having at least one up front would be a game changer. They look nice at the back too, I have an open space there, that's where my Ones are too. But it's not about the look right? 😬

[@paul9387]

@Filip Švejda as Eric says unfortunately they will only allow two subs, maybe this will change overtime since it's only a software thing

[@paul9387]

@DoItForMe.Solutions naaah I wasn't going to replace them, the two I have will stay! I was thinking about adding one or two up front, new ones are slicker and would perfectly fill my front layout. As I mentioned, my front has nothing there besides a TV on the wall and floating cabinet, the only things standing are two Hue Signes but my living area is not wide enough to place my old subs there. Hope I was able to answer and clarify what I want to accomplish

[@morells09]

I was confused as to why you got the sub mini in white when the rest of your speakers are black but then I saw your living room setup lol

[@EricWelander]

Yeah I also just like how the white sub looks and it has black to tie into the other speakers

[@TheMarnell35]

@@EricWelanderI did the same color combo… smooth as Jazz..

[@richh650]

Sonos and Apple normally do not come to mind when looking to obtain the best sound for the money spent.

[@zachishak25]

You must not be.....Rich 😂

[@richh650]

@@zachishak25 one doesn't need to be rich to get great sound, just do your homework.

[@ghostpimp]

i promise you he doesnt know what hes talking about lol. i used the sub mini and didnt like it, went to the gen 3 and noticed the biggest difference

[@acitizen5928]

Is Sonos still in business? I was an early adopter and their product was total garbage.

[@Clobercow1]

No. No it doesn't. It's not a replacement for a subwoofer. It's a little high distortion hum box. It's not good. Stop buying this bullshit.

[@mrgold3591]

What makes is so bad? People complain; but, give zero explanations why or what sound systems are better? Every head-to-head comparison to similar systems I've seen don't come to the same conclusion?

[@HappyHighwayman]

these sound terrible compared to similarly priced, hifi equipment.

[@mrgold3591]

What is your suggestion for home theater system?

[@Bazlightyear007]

Buy Sonos if you like mediocre sound at expensive prices.

[@AudiophileTommy]

Buy Bose if you wan’t something that breaks ,pops and is overpriced for what you get 🎉🎉🎉

[@maej123456]

then what do i buy?

[@rayobrown]

@@maej123456 nothing, enjoy the blissful silence.