Why the Swiss are losing to the Japanese - Movement Battle!

ETA vs Miyota! Who will win the battle of the movements?
On one side, the Swiss workhorse, nearly 50 years old, a staple of the industry. . . and on the other side, a Japanese newcomer, less than 20 years in the field, but with very impressive specs.
Which do you choose?
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[@islandwatch]

*** I learned something new reading the comments! I was not aware that Rolex/Zenith decreased the beat rate of the El Primero prior to it's use in the older Daytonas. Wonderful community, thanks for letting me know!

[@gfxdaddy]

Rolex did more than just decrease the beat rate (a downgrade, but done to improve its reliability), they made more than 200 patented changes/improvements to the El Primero, including completely chucking and replacing about 50% of the parts with their own to the point it was pretty much a different movement in comparison by the time they were done with it, and christened it the 4030. Contrary to popular opinion, the Daytona wasn’t powered by an El Primero 400, the 4030 was a different movement, built on an El Primero base.

[@TheGeezzer]

As usual, Mark does an excellent job explaining the intricacies of the various mechanisms of various brands of watches and how they perform, not just for aesthetics but also on the value for buck, real-life logistics. Happy New Year Mark!

[@Heliconwatches]

Hi Mark, a great video as usual and we totally agree. We actually do know of a manufacturer who Chronometer Certified a regular Miyota 9015 at the Besançon Observatory on the Swiss Border. It was a standard moment, and was done at the request of a good customer to prove a point! Thanks for all the excellent content on this channel.

[@davidconnelly]

Brilliant video. Real high quality content. Thank you!

[@tomlopez9385]

There is a crowd of angry watchmakers outside Mark's shop picketing because Mark touched the movement and was not wearing finger cots.

[@al_in_philly5832]

This made me laugh!

[@TheGeezzer]

Whats that? The boots on the ground approach! Or the fingers in the mechanism approach? lol!

[@bernardocoto8519]

This is the kind of videos I've been looking for now that I am knee-deep in the hobby. Thanks for the comparison

[@aaronrosenberg3685]

Was looking forward to this video all day since it got released. Did not disappoint!

[@parrotheaddanny]

You make the most interesting watch videos on KZbin! Keep up the excellent work!

[@David-nx2vm]

Marc, great tutorial. I really like your deep dives. Most watch KZbinrs are simple hobbyists or hucksters. You are best at explaining the insane engineering in these machines. As I write this, I’m looking at a 7 foot tall European grandfather clock that weighs almost 300 pounds. Then I look at the Islander on my wrist. How we got here from there is fascinating.

[@islandwatch]

very true!

[@Kel7S]

Thank you for this video Mark, very informative!

[@markthomas741]

Thank you I found the comparison between the two movements very interesting.

[@Stanjara]

This was fantastic video Mark! Love my 9015!

[@islandwatch]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@mattmcgriff5952]

I have been very happy with my 9011 driven Citizen. One of four from the brand, spanning from a Nighthawk to a The Citizen. All are fantastic watches.

[@sinjinadams2862]

Great video, I learned a lot. I do not own a watch yet with this Miyota movement but I am glad to see they are becoming more common.

[@CT-wq1je]

Good insights from someone who sees a lot of watches come and go. Thanks Mark.

[@williamfavata3922]

I bought a Marathon Msar from you in June of this year. Lasted till September. Selita 200 movement started helicoptering when winding. Sent it out to Marathon for repair. They replaced the movement under warranty. No charge. I am 0 for 1 with this movement. If I had a do over I would've bought the quartz instead. Great video as always! Never had issues with Miyota 9000s. You are the guru Marc.

[@islandwatch]

Sorry to hear that!

[@williamfavata3922]

All good. Joe Jung at Marathon was exceptional.

[@catlike1]

Yup. I encountered the helicoptering as well with a Hamilton Khaki automatic, which has the Powermatic movement, which is a reduced beat ETA 2824 (to lengthen the power reserve). The watchmaker who fixed said this was quite common and that one should avoid winding the 2824 more than 5-10 times. Just wind it to get it started.

[@williamfavata3922]

That's great advice. I will definitely follow those instructions in the future.

[@Erick925]

@@williamfavata3922my quartz GPQ came defective from the factory but Joe got it fixed up in no time. Was awesome working with him!

[@bernardbarroga1497]

Very informative and interesting video. Good job Mark!👍🏼👍🏼

[@ianmorrison9480]

Great article. You know your stuff. I could listen to you all day.

[@LS1007]

I only have one watch with the ETA movement and one with the Miyota movement and they’re both good movements. The Miyota does wind smoother. Thanks for the video Marc. 🙏🏼

[@islandwatch]

Thanks for watching!

[@JohnClarkW]

I have a Miyota 9015 on my wrist now, as I am wearing the blue Northport. That watch has become my workday watch.

[@islandwatch]

sweet, thanks.

[@joshuanewman6409]

I just got a San Martin 39mm SN0144 . It is my first 9015. So far, it has been great. Thanks for the video.

[@oliver1965]

Very good technic info. Thx. Get going 🚀

[@GeeMood]

I have only 1 watch with an ETA 2824 and have had no issues. I have 2 watches sitting in my watch box not running because of the SW200-1 horrible ratchet wheel. I'm not hard on my watches, nor have I ever been an overwinder but within 1 1/2yrs both watches ratchet wheel's teeth broke off. Never had any issues with the 5 watches I have with the Miyota 9015/9039. I have one watch with the Ronda R150 & love that one. No issues at all, so far. I actually purchased 2 ratchet wheel's to repair my watches, but thus far, I have been too scared to do it, since I only found 1 video on the topic 😂. Great topic, as always Marc.

[@islandwatch]

thanks!

[@GeeMood]

@@islandwatch You're welcome. Maybe you can do a learning video on changing ratchet wheel's out on the lousy SW200-1? 😂🙏🙏🙏

[@jollyroger3778]

I love watching your educational videos, keep up the great work.

[@bernardbarroga1497]

Very informative and interesting video. Good job Mark!👍🏼👍🏼 Btw, the Valjoux 7750 is noisy too!

[@ink281]

Great video, I have the ETA 2892-A2 in my Omega Seamaster GMT 300. It's been running extremely accurate for over 20 years. I've also have the Miyota 9015 in my Phoibos Great Wall and that's very accurate as well. Honestly a little surprised by the Miyota, very nice movement.

[@paulcundell6254]

All my ETA 2824 movements have had winding problems they get tight and the stem will bend or even brake if you persist in trying to hand wind them, luckily the problems usually occur in the first 18 months and can be repaired under warranty. Never had an issue with the elaboret movements but for longevity with no servicing just get a Seiko.

[@robcameron9351]

Awesome comparison, would love to see more like this for different movements.

[@barrettwbenton]

*Excellent* video (yet again), Marc, and fills me in on more than a few things I hadn't known before. My feelings toward ETA soured more than a little some years back when I had not one, but *two* Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanicals pack in on me in the course of a year. In both cases, the manual-wind bits were to blame. (No, I didn't manhandle either watch when winding them.) And, even though Seiko wasn't the focus here, I'm curious about one thing: some folks rag on the 6R series of movements on account of their "only" offering a beat rate of 21,600vph, but next to no one mentions the 6R2x movements, which spec at 28,800vph. My SARW25 (one of the Laurel tribute models) sports the 6R27, which besides sporting both power-reserve and datewheel subdials offers rock-steady timekeeping. Assuming you haven't already done so, maybe a video covering Seiko's mid-to-upper-level movements can be put in the hopper?

[@luked2767]

Tmi makes them 3rd party but they are as expensive as swiss ... The insides are very similar to the Miyota 9000 Not sure if the 3rd party's are made in Japan or not but hard to find anyone selling them. When I buy a watch I like to know I can get spares easy (so I will only buy orient F6 day or day date) or they can be serviced easily like with ETA / Stellita.

[@tcapd]

Thank you, great video, again.

[@MinutesinMonochrome]

Very cool video! Just bought a Formex Essence from your shop with the higher grade Selita that's Chronometer certified. Didn't know Selita and ETAs were basically the same. Appreciate the lesson!

[@islandwatch]

Yup, sure are.

[@drnick40]

Great video Marc. Extremely informative and reassuring that Miyota movements are of a good quality and reliability. Seiko faces a stiff competition.

[@samuelhausmann397]

6 out the 7 watches I have have Swiss ETA or Sellita movement in it and it never disappointed. The Miyota movement in my other watch makes noise for some reason. I love both movements but have a preference for the Swiss movements. Great video btw !

[@Jacobruxo]

Great information over this two movements, thanks Mark

[@trymstrenhauge1512]

I have Great experience with miyota 8204 i think it is in the citizen ny0040. One of my to has benn running fantastic for close to 20 years now

[@timandrews6828]

Great video Mark - you always have the most informative content!

[@islandwatch]

thanks!

[@frankieb2784]

Loved this Marc.. thank you! Frank

[@brian_belanger]

The Miyota really shines with a display case back. Thanks to that one way winding you can get the weight spinning freely and just like a fan blade it disappears so you can see the movement. Plus getting it spinning turns it into a fun fidget toy. ; )

[@gyu4567]

Really enjoyed this video. Could you possibly do comparison of Miyota 9015 and ETA 2892? In the video, it seems to me that you felt that those movements were closer in specs, which would allow for a more meaningful comparison, albeit the price differential.

[@neillewi9576]

Wonderful presentation the science/engineering geek in me absorbed the info. Iam starting to get into mechanical watches.For quite awhile I’ve been a quartz only snob: more practical- robust, accurate. But, i now see the charm of mechanical watches, besides there are so many beautiful watches that you can’t get in quartz.

[@terrydepew1252]

Hi Mark. Been a fan of yours and long Island Watch now for quite some years. Bought tools, straps and other supplies from you through the years. Here is my observation on Miyota movements vs ETA/Sellita and Seiko 4R36/NH36. I have several Vaer D5 divers of varying styles. An early Miyota 9039 powered Arctic which I have had the longest and a Miyota 9039 powered Pacific. I have a second early Arctic that has an ETA 2824 that is as yet unworn. I was still working driving truck daily when I bought the first Miyota powered diver. It reminds me of my first diver, a Mondaine with radium for lume I got when I was 13 in 1969. The Vaer kept good time maybe losing 4 seconds a week for 3-4 years. I was quite active physically. Then a year and a half ago Yellow freight went BK and put us out of work. So while I don't consider myself retired after 47 years driving line, I'm not back to working. Some weeks are quite sedentary. The unidirectional winding of the Miyota can't keep up and I notice the watch running fast. Like 3-5 minutes gain in a week or 10 days. I have had a Weishi timegrapher for quite a few years now and use it to correct beat error and regulate my watches as a hobby whenever they don't run to my satisfaction. I am what watch makers call a seconds chaser. I use an atomic clock to set and keep track of my watches running habits. So one day I notice this Miyota 9039 had gained a bunch in just a week so I pop it on the timegrapher and it looks like snow. All over the place. So I give it a good full wind, back on the timegrapher and it's back to running like a "swiss watch". So now on a slow week I hand wind The Miyota every 4-5 days If I feel like. Another thing I have noticed about the different movements is how hard or easy they are to adjust or correct beat error at least for me. The Seiko's seem to be fairly easy to get a 0.0 or 0.1 beat error. I am always amazed how easy it is to get them running flat lines across the timegrapher screen. They just don't stay there very long with daily use. They are fairly easy to adjust + or - a second or two to get that slight gain rather than losing time. The Miyota's are a pain. I can get them 0.0 some of the time but more likely 0.1 or 0.2. and when it comes to gaining or losing time they are touchy. If i can get them -4 seconds a day I'm happy. If I try to swing it to gain it jumps to +9 or 12 seconds a day. They are just touchy. Of course the ETA or Sellita movements I have worked on regulate easy and probably didn't even need beat error correction. I switched back to my original 773 turtle for 6 months or so since being on extended vacation. The magic lever Seiko uses catches any movement to wind and I never noticed the Seiko gaining or losing much even when I was really lazy. It will run noticeably worse on the timegrapher when i have not been very active but does not gain or lose like the Miyota. I have not worn the ETA powered Vaer so I don't know how the dual reverser wheels keep up yet. That one was bought with full retirement in mind. The Miyota winds smoother than the ETA. I Bought a later production Sellita powered Vaer D5 Arctic as a gift for a friend that wanted me to sell him my Miyota powered D5 Arctic and he loves it. He says it keeps good time. He is very active though. My oldest son is a trucker. Local pick up and delivery so he is very active. He has had more trouble with Swiss stuff and the Orient diver I gave him for his wedding than with his Seiko's. His Tissot PRS 516 died so I had a local watchmaker here in Reno go through it. When my son got it back it died again in short order. I gave him a Glycine combat that Costco was closing out on so I bought two. His stem pulled out one day. I guess it is still running. My buddy bought the same Glycine and it died and is currently in Sandy Utah for repair. Both my son and buddy bought the Seiko 5 sports that Costco sells and they have had no problems yet. I really like the thin, high beat Miyota movements and so far have not had any mechanical reliability problems. I just sometimes don't move enough to keep them wound sufficiently. And No, It's not time for me to go back to my Seiko quartz 5H26-7A09. Quartz while accurate have no soul. Automatics on the other hand need tending. They have more vices yes. But they are more rewarding when they do run well.

[@Anirossa]

I really enjoy the Miyota movements I have, even if it is the old cheaper version. I got a Miyota in my Citrizen promaster dive watch and I cannot hear the spinning whatsoever, in my Laco Aachen with the same movement, I definetly hear it, especially if I am inside and it's silent. I don't really dislike it, but I would if it was a dressier watch and not a very toolish one. Accuracy-wise, my Miyota movements beat out my Tissot powermatic 80 and Seiko 4R36. The only mechanical watch I have that beats out my Miyota movements is my Seiko 7S26C that I regulated myself to +2.8s/day on average and my highbeat seagull ST2130 that is silly accurate, running within COSC in 4 positions when messured... Cool video Mark, keep it up! :-)

[@commandZee]

Thanks Marc! I'm considering buying a timegrapher, please consider making a video on your suggestions for different budgets.

[@islandwatch]

noted, thanks.

[@3Dogs1CatandMore]

Thank you for the video. I picked up a green Port Jeff back in Sept. I have always wanted a traveler GMT. With the special on green Port Jeff, even though green is not my color, I just can't pass the deal. I started to alternate it with my Orient Neptune initially, by mid Oct, I started wearing it continuously as my everyday watch. So far, from 10/17 to today (11/25). Accumulative average accuracy for the past 38.7 day is +1.14 second/day (e.g. in 38.7 day, it resulted in +44 sec, 44/38.7 = 1.14). On a day-to-day basis, it varies from -1.66 to +3.63 s/d. What an amazing watch and movement! I am wearing this green Port Jeff on my left and my Garmin Instinct on my right. If I have a third arm, I would get an RM II GMT ;-)

[@Walnutman5700]

Excellent Marc! More like this one! I learned alot!

[@islandwatch]

thanks!

[@JoeThomas-tk3jz]

I believe the issue with the ETA 2824 keyless works is the winding pinion (part no. 410). I have a chronometer grade ETA 2824 in a Longiness and a tooth on the winding pinion broke off. I could still hand wind it but I would hear a click every time the broken tooth came around. And of course the broken tooth was somewhere inside the movement so I got it serviced and the part replaced.

[@jasonsmith1375]

great video Mark. Thanks!

[@curt4930]

Great video Mark thanks for posting/educating. I’ve

[@curt4930]

I’m looking at the value of micro brands in a different light after seeing this. I always thought an eta/ selita = better watch now I would be very happy with a 9000 Myota in any mid priced watch & consider it equal quality & good value. My Houtman diver has. Myota & it’s super accurate & I can’t hear it, the watch is also thin for a diver at 10.8mm with 200m!

[@McMaxW]

Great video, very interesting! It would be great to see the Miyota vs Seiko NH movement (something less basic than a NH35).

[@LTrintukas]

Thank you for mentioning the winding problem on the ETA, I have a 2834 and it is suffering from that. While I got the watch on the cheap, it's really a jarring problem to feel for yourself, I'll do my best to steer clear from any ETA movements after that one, since I don't have access to competent watch repairers. A 30 euro Seiko NH is just fine.

[@NiCKkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk]

Totally agree. I've been wearing a Miyota for the last 2 weeks in a business trip and I never adjusted, or wound, my watch. It just works. Keeps the time accurately.

[@kevindavis7530]

Thanks for your thoughts on this subject. I found it most interesting and informative.

[@islandwatch]

Glad.

[@allanweiser6276]

Awesome video, I always wondered about the differences between the two movements. As far has accuracy is concerned, I think the Miyota is more accurate.

[@coffeeisgood102]

I am wearing a Timex Marlin with a Miota movement. I love the sound of the rotor each time I move my arm. Like listening to beautiful music.

[@gregamos8793]

Great content as always! Thanks!

[@GapBahnDirk]

I have recently acquired a couple of Lorier watches (Hyperion and Hydra) with the Miyota 9075 and this has been my first experience with modern Miyota movements. I am impressed! The movements perform well on my timegrapher.

[@Chrissepisje]

Nice video, well done, thanks for making it! Regrettably I have never owned anything with a Miyota. But here's my two cents: - I've had some so-so experience with the Soprod Newton, which had dodgy crown action and time setting movement of the hands when it came out, but runs well even if the crown is dodgy - Longstanding history with Seiko's 7s26, 4r35, 6r15, 6r3x and 6L movements. The 6R3x has been plagued by low amplitude, even for a Seiko, and I've needed to replace two. The 6L35 premium movements, however, are the dog's bollocks. Supreme winding feel, well regulated out of the box, and very nice crown action. 6R15, 4R35, 7S26... All ran fine, did what they had to, even if a bit thick - Powermatic 80: Never had problems with 'm, even though I don't have any feelings towards the movements. - ETA 2824 / Sellita SW200: Have not had any issues with these either, seem to work like a charm. Winding feel on the crown is not refined, but it does what it needs to. - DUW 3001: Nomos movement has been running fine for me, albeit reliably slow, so I guess mine wasn't regulated well out of the box. That said, very weird movement, where the rotor spins if you wind it, and winding feels grainy. I can't say I'm overwhelmed by it, but I do love my ahoi - Grand Seiko 9S64 and 9R65 are very, very nice movements. Superlative feel at the crown, and boy is a Spring Drive 9R65 an amazing accumulator of power. You can almost see the power reserve max out as you sit at your desk with one. Amazing movements. - Soprod C125 GMT has been spongy at the crown again. It's a Soprod thing, I guess. Ran fine, but the crown feel on Soprods is not inspiring. - Sellita Chonographs, SW500 series: Nice. Workhorse-like chronograph movements, both the regular and flyback iteration. Nothing to complain about. - Unitas 6498 are fantastic big honking pocket watch movements, but with a delightful feel at the crown. Nothing against them. - Peseux 7001 are fine as well, feel good at the crown and run well, but I'm annoyed by the placement of the small seconds hand. - ETA 2801 is a better hand crank than the Peseux, in my opinion. Runs nicer, winds nicer, even though it's thicker. I've owned some more, and currently own a Cartier and a Longines three hander as well. The only true dumpster fire of a movement has been whatever is inside an Amphibia. That was just nasty all round. It wasn't accurate, or nice to handle, or quiet. In fact, I won't touch an Amphibia ever again, if I can help it. Brrrrrr.

[@RemiX_O]

Right now is a great time to be an enthusiast. I have some great modern Omegas and other Swiss watches, but I'm being pulled further and further into the microbrand space because of Miyota. How could I not; microbrand attention to detail, small business mindset that listens to customer input rather than having to abide to mass appeal, and accurate well made movements coming out of Japan that rival Swiss movements. I'm here for the shakeup and look forward to more Henry Archers, Traskas, etc. to come out in the future.

[@islandwatch]

That is true, our time to shine is here!

[@fsdafas749]

Absolutely, at these price points (let's say 400 - 800$), I think a lot more people are buying watches that speak to them rather than being a statement piece or an investment, thus making 'Swiss Made' less of a factor. Sure with sites like Chrono24 or eBay with its seller/buyer protection it has become easier, safer and more effective to less lower priced watches, I don't think the investment is even on the mind of mo.st

[@GapBahnDirk]

I have to agree about the attraction of microbrands. I looked at an Omega Seamaster 300 Heritage, but went for a more charming Lorier Hydra, especially when taking price into consideration.

[@DW94576]

Plenty of micro brands like that which use sellita movements…

[@appalachiangunman9589]

I have a Citizen with the Eco-Drive. I know it’s not a mechanical movement but it has been super accurate. I think November 2nd (the evening before DST ended) was the last time I made an adjustment and the watch is is running about 1-2 seconds faster than my phones clock.

[@andreijochim751]

I'm totally happy with my Kuoe on miyota 9039, runs excellent 👌

[@HotelBravo556]

I recently bought a Traska Commuter 36mm. I was a little leery about the -10 to +30 range quoted by Miyota, but the Traska site says they do regulate them. Holy smokes. Mine is running a very consistent +1.5 seconds per day on wrist.. 😮

[@skipinkoreaable]

Highly informative video.

[@da___man]

Currently wearing a Zodiac SST 36,000. Runs great. Very accurate. Only downside is that they put the mainspring in a sealed barrel. That means when I serviced it, I was unable to replace the mainspring. Still works great, but with a weak mainspring, it has low amplitude and has to be wound more often. Not really a big deal and for a watch that is about 50 years old, I'm not complaining.

[@johnsrabe]

Thanks for this, as always.

[@Thankyou_3]

Great video. Thank you sir.

[@MasterChristopherAllan]

I really appreciate this video. I did not know I had a problem but my Hamilton with a Powermatic 80 movement was helicoptering when wound. I just thought it was normal for this movement as it kept great time. Contacted Hamilton. Now parts on order, must have been an issue, 6 months before the warrantee expires. Saves me a lot of money not rather than later. Not sure if it is going to be a service or if they will just replace the movement. Either way thank you for bringing it to my attention.

[@karyldavidkidd7111]

Solid video An absolute rarity! Substantial critique. Thank you buddy Yep Canuck

[@ajh5407]

My collect has seiko & sellita movements. I’ve had great experiences with both.

[@islandwatch]

Excellent, thank you.

[@chosearmandoarmando3864]

I Bought Sinn 556 (with SW200-1) from AD at the start of year, very rough action of movement and some time even helicopter rotor happens. Sent for warranty repair action of movmenet improved but not alot.

[@islandwatch]

Sorry to hear that.

[@BobT-T]

I can give some first hand experience regarding stripped teeth from the ratchet wheel from a SW200. A friend of mine came to me with a problematic Oris. I could see the damage through the back case glass. Simple enough to repair in the end but it does happen. Edit: Just to add - thanks for the nice comparison video!

[@islandwatch]

thanks for that!

[@luked2767]

It happens especially on older Stellitas but it can happen on any 2824 type as it was a handwinder with autoworks put on after.

[@jprepo1]

One slight knock on the miyotas, though I do love them, is that they are produced in such quantities that sometimes watchmakers end up with a movement that is significantly older than the watch it is going into, and when that happens sometimes the lubricant in the movement will have dried, and can really kill the power reserves, down to about 12 hours in bad cases. Easy enough to service, but still.

[@chadlewis4302]

Excellent info. Thanks Mark.

[@ronaldmcclelland1085]

Great post.......as usual!

[@davidng9133]

Thanks very much for tis very informative video. I learned much fm it 😊

[@motorpsykler]

Great video Marc! If there was a Mt Rushmore of watch KZbinrs, you’d be on it for sure(along with TGV, MWC and Teddy IMO)!

[@jb678901]

Would be interesting to bring the PT5000 and the ST2130 into the discussion, as was done with the Sellita SW200.

[@legnisstudio]

Good video on a more interesting topic, for me, than the large battle between watch designs. For actuality, I would make a video about ETA/Sellita vs LJP, same price range. Cheers.

[@dasuniversumisteintraum]

Great Video Marc 👍

[@islandwatch]

Thanks 👍

[@davect01]

Always appreciate your insights

[@islandwatch]

Thank you

[@andrew_owens7680]

I don't know what my Mont Blanc Heritage has in it, but it's the smoothest winding watch in my collection.

[@desmondoreilly1210]

I have a watch with a Miyota 9130 movement in it. It has a power reserve complication at the 1 position on the dial. It has been a great movement in truth. Its accuracy is superb when fully wound, with deviation between 0-2s per day. This falls away when the watch is at half wind, typically gaining between 12-15s, which is well within the published tolerances. It also is meant to have a power reserve of 40hrs, mine gets closer to 50 before it runs completely out of steam.

[@jersievers]

Thanks for pointing out the ratch issue with eta. There is a 2 to 1 issue so big teeth to little teeth. Very very easy to fix, but this is the reason it winds so tightly.

[@cossack814]

I like the background lighting

[@islandwatch]

thanks!

[@zogzog1063]

I only have one Miyota - a Wise Adamascus. Very happy with it. Never had an ETA or Sellita.

[@ahha6304]

I love that Wise finally using ETA, they used NH for quite a time, still as my Thai salary goes, to buy a Thai watch is too expensive for me and I get Avi-8 instead (and even buying Islander plus tax and shipping cost, is still cheaper than Thai watch seriously)

[@zogzog1063]

@@ahha6304 Very sad to hear that :-< I am getting close to purchasing a Wise Flyboy (just have to sell my daughter to an Arabian Sheik first!) There is an option of Thai numerals or Arabics for the dial. Going for the Thai of course. French may be the most beautiful sounding language but Thai is definatly the most beautiful written language. Best wishes from New Zealand.

[@DekkerExpat]

You can get a Miyota in a Swiss watch. It is called a La Joux-Perret G100. Quite happy with my SW200. I regulated myself and have a consistent +1s a day.

[@theshadow1812]

The G100 is a great Calibre it seems to the more premium option with long power reserve when compared to the Soprod & Sellita options.

[@albertl-ce2kz]

Yes, but more expensive. It's nicer. We are using it in our watches.

[@kresimirpleic]

LJP G100 is not a Miyota.

[@DekkerExpat]

@@kresimirpleic Most of it is. It is the way for Miyota to sell their movement to Swiss manufacturers.

[@samnova450]

Thanks Marc, great information on the different calibers that are out there. Just sent in Tsuyosa in for service, which has the 8210 Miyota. Wasn’t keeping time correctly, sure Citizen get it fix. Question, are you considered a AD for Seiko?

[@MyAlan999]

I wonder which ones you use ? 🤔🤣 Been wearing my new Formex essence 39 for the past week and is only 5 seconds fast , more of that please

[@eurovnik]

Top grade also uses a different balance wheel made of glucydur which is more resistant to temperature change than the standard or élaboré grades which use a nickel balance.

[@mulder4528]

Great video, imho Miyota does a great job. Agreed on the 2892s as well they are just awesome, of course you pay for that but my favorite even over many in house movements so touted today.

[@paulhalton1543]

My Phoibos Eagle Ray Bronze watch has the Sellita 200-1 and it has the helicopter issue when it is hand wound. I had no idea what was going on with it until I read about this problem online. The simple solution for me was just to do the Seiko shuffle to get it going. No more ha d winding and no more problem.

[@islandwatch]

Yup, it is common.

[@chriscon8463]

I have a Lorier Falcon II with a Miyota 90S5 & it’s a great movement! It’s running about 3 sec fast per day.

[@jeffwhite9028]

I haven't seen a better channel on watches. This is the Top Dog Watch Guy that we have access to. Regarding thickness, ...as an engineer (like Marc) I see pushing "thin" as a high cost adventure. I have a Waltam that died because the gears started jumping teeth. Hell to fix. The thinner the gear teeth ...the more the risk. Same goes for tight stacking of large diameter gears. Want thin? No Date is the BestWay to get there, I suspect. (The movement has to be a dedicated no date)

[@mcy1122]

Great video -thanks!

[@islandwatch]

You're welcome!

[@achiu31]

Am I the only one who prefers unidirectional winding specifically for the satisfying feeling of the freewheeling rotor spinning on my wrist? 😂

[@davidc5191]

But Rolex downgraded the Zenith movement 4:12 in its Daytonas from 36000 to 28800 vph to improve reliability.

[@mitchaelhollingsworth1698]

Ive had 4 watches with a mix of 90s5 / 9039 / 9029. And 1 with an elaboré grade sellita sw200-1. The miyotas are plainer, thinner, cheaper 1/2 or 2/3rds the price, have a lower failure rate, and have a 42 hour power reserve. They are unidirectional so they wind one direction and can spin freely the other way. They have been widely used in microbrands due to the attractive compromises it offers. The sw200-1 is more premium in terms of accuracy as it is generally regulated better and decoration, oft featuring geneva stripes, blued screws, or a custom rotor depending on the brand. Both are 28,800 but the sw200-1 have a slightly lower 38 hour power reserve. The achilles heel is hand winding takes more of a toll on a couple of the gears in the sellita sw200-1. The swiss standard has bidirectional winding, which is nice. Eta will only sell to internal swatch group brands. The eta 2824-2 has been phased out in favor of the new 80 hour, 21,600 movements seen in certina, hamilton, mido, rado, tissot etc. As i understand it, It is less consumer friendly requiring brand support to regulate or service due to it's more modular construction. I like the older eta 2824-2 / sellita sw200-1 more than the new movements. The miyotas i have all run a bit fast. Maybe +10 seconds a day? The sellita i have generally runs -5 seconds a day. I like both and both have their strengths. The miyotas allow microbrands to make high quality and reliable 500-700 dollar watches. The sw200-1 allows brands to move up market in the 900-2k range with your sinn, doxa, squale, marathon type of brands.

[@zman8340]

My miyotas are around cosc and make for a nice thin watch. My favorite standard movement.

[@islandwatch]

That's what I hear quite often.

[@zman8340]

@ of course the are islanders

[@bobbyrou]

Great video. I wish there were more movement comparison videos like this.

[@msc_2253]

I have watches with most major brand movements in them and have really come to love Miyota. My ETA and Sellita movements have been reliable, so no complaints there. Miyota has been equally reliable. I've had some problem with Seiko factory movements, notably the 6R15 in my Sarb017 that I need to replace, and a 4R35 in my Samurai that I replaced with an NH-35 years ago. Accuracy comes down to regulation, and some brands do a better job out of the factory than others. Some of the most accurate I have are made by Henry Archer and Martenero, which both have Miyota 9000 series movements.

[@megacab]

When i just want a better view of a watch I'm interested in i can watch any other channel. When i want to dive in and learn about a hobby i love i come to Marc.

[@kickstothehead3705]

I with you I look for 9015 watches I own the north port from you aswell 👍🏼