Why the UK is Giving Up the Chagos Islands

[@russmorgan315]

Diego Garcia sounds like he should be playing for Man City

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

No it’s ham city. Man just lives there

[@JonM-ts7os]

[@smokeyhoodoo]

@@adagio333 You appreciate insults against your people?

[@annoyed707]

Or looking for a man with six fingers...

[@melcadman]

​@@smokeyhoodoo Like racists everywhere they call it simply 'ladzbantz'. Funny? Not in the slightest ...

[@bungaIowbill]

Why is it always a 99 year period? Is there some legal limit that it has to be below 100 to be enforceable, or is it some kind of supermarket pricing psychology deal?

[@dddz961]

tis tradition

[@meteorknight999]

Its 100 years And the instant the swap happens its 99 years 23h59min

[@kb4903]

Like Hong Kong.

[@Apocalypse21OG]

Its like sales price. 59.99 look more appealing than 60

[@warwicks2780]

It’s basically so no one who signs it, and no one who’s alive has to deal with an actual solution.

[@havocthecrow8742]

As stated by some smart people online. If the territory is given up before the start of spring then on the 25th of march 2025 at 2.50am GMT the sun will finally set on all british territory. Something that hasn't happened in over 200 years. The sun will set on the british empire.

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

Until we move the goalposts to have the British Empire still include Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Canada.

[@alfronzocragimo-spicerini3828]

Good we need to move on as a nation

[@meteorknight999]

The true place where sun never sets was russia all along Its islands are in swimming distance to alaska

[@thelakisleaf5503]

About time honestly. The empire belongs in the past

[@bababababababa6124]

I hope this comment wasn’t trying to say that this is a bad thing

[@jasongaylard2547]

In 99 years they probably won't even be islands anymore, just a sand bar shipping hazard.

[@fewik8567]

There's so much vegetation on the islands, roots in sand do the opposite with coastal erosion and actually collect sand and keep it there.

[@jasongaylard2547]

@@fewik8567 well at the rate we are killing coral reefs and crushing climate tipping points I would not bet money on such low lying islands being around in 99 years.

[@UkSapyy]

@@fewik8567 Rasing sea levels do not care about some roots collecting sand

[@bobbobby3085]

@@fewik8567 The issue is not coastal erosion but sea level rise

[@nononono3421]

Meanwhile China is building islands.

[@tonydivito3489]

I was stationed at Diego Garcia in the late 80’s for 13 months, an idyllic tropical island with coconut trees and countless crabs. Only a handful of Brits on the island, mostly Royal Marine Falkland War vets on their twilight tour. They raised the Union Jack in the morning, confiscated contraband from incoming flights in the middle of the day and worked as barkeeps at the Brit Club at night. Our primary enemy was boredom, and every day felt like an episode of *M*A*S*H* with shenanigans.While the status of the base won't change, I wish the Mauritians the best of luck.

[@JohnSearleFangirl]

*Malvinas

[@JackDrewitt]

​@@JohnSearleFangirlwhy are you using the old French name for the islands, France doesn't call the Falklands that anymore.

[@nromk]

The Diego Garcia military base should be abolished and abolished, and abolished.

[@AL-lh2ht]

@@nromk No one there or people involved thinks so.

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

_'felt like an episode of M*A*S*H'_ Except without the Korean war bit? 😂

[@ohhi6344]

making the same 99 year mistake twice 😂

[@akk424]

Atleast they will get paid

[@lewis0705]

at this rate, the islands will be underwater in 99 years

[@jeromefitzroy]

HK?

[@XXXTENTAClON227]

It’s ironic because, the British chose 99 years on the assumption that the new territory could not manage without the old territory This accidentally turned out to be the opposite, and the land which Britain had permanently “annexed” became entirely reliant on the additional 99 year territory… sounds like Diego Garcia to me

[@HypocrisyLaidBare]

twice? honk kong, chagos and the UK to america as part of the lend lease made in world war II by churchill with roosevelt that the US have access to 50% of the british military installations around the globe. which is how the USA managed to get so many bases all over the world without fighting for them, we handed them to the USA to get tanks for world war II which churchill was told we did not have the manpower or equipment to fight and should defend just our own island, being a total sh*thead, churchill ignored this advice pushed for war and replaced chamberlain who was trying to keep the UK out of the war in europe. So not twice but three times over multiple places, too many to list here.

[@JackDrewitt]

0:11 1. The British Indian Ocean Territory is not in Africa its in Asia 2. St Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha are in Africa and are British

[@karlcx]

It’s clumsy to assert they’re in Africa. They’re not on the African continent, aren’t culturally African. Not sure how it’s useful or accurate to assert otherwise.

[@JackDrewitt]

@@karlcx you talking about st helena or chagos?

[@wrestlinganime4life288]

​@karlcx Lmal Africa is extremely culturally diverse ,do you even know what are you saying?

[@karlcx]

@@wrestlinganime4life288 do you?

[@nvelsen1975]

@@wrestlinganime4life288 Yes, he knows what he is saying. Now let's discuss whether racists and quasi-racists who speak of 'Africa' have any clue at all.

[@familygash7500]

Who else remembers when treason was a crime punishable by death?

[@FootballHubDaily]

What do you mean?

[@JorgeTorresH]

How was this treason?

[@bm8641]

Incompetence in Britain is at another level. In everything including diplomacy.

[@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501]

Well that was the case with Dumb as fuck Davis and Lord Frost when they tried to negotiate a Brexit deal. Frost even disowned his own deal😅

[@jonathanwilliams9697]

Signing over Hong Konh has got to be one of the most reckless acts.

[@BodybuildingSteve]

@@jonathanwilliams9697 what choice did they have? with how fast china modernized if the uk didnt give hong kong back they would have just taken it by force and the uk could have done absolutely nothing to stop them

[@scottread]

@@jonathanwilliams9697 Although Hong Kong and Kowloon were ceeded to the UK in perpetuity at the end of the first opium war, in 1898 the new territories were leased to the UK for 99 years only. Given the new territories comprised >85% of the colony (and half the population) in 1997 when the new territories were due to be handed back to China, the UK couldn't see a viable way to maitain the 15% of the colony left in British hands. Even the most basic things like fresh water supply to the colony were controlled by main land China. That's why the joint declaration was signed and the territory handed back.

[@NoobGamer-ki9pz]

​What're you talking about?? As if British were the natives of hongkong or something. It belongs to China, it's only right thing that, they handed over hongkong to China. Without that with rapid growth of China, a war would have definitely take the place. Which ofcourse UK would have lose.​ Imagine , Chinese occupied Europe.does that sound fair? It's similar here too. Such acts would have just ignite the continuous wars.@@jonathanwilliams9697

[@Avantelvsitania]

Ok, a couple things, not against this video in particular, but against how this issue is being talked about in general. - The Chagos islands are not Britain’s last African colony. If only because they aren’t even in Africa. They are geographically an extension of the Maldives archipelago, and thus belong to south Asia. But despite that, Britain still holds the territories of Saint Helena, Ascension, and Tristão da Cunha, all of which do indeed geographically belong to Africa. - The “Chagossians” aren’t really indigenous to the islands. They were brought there by the Europeans, who already occupied the area. In fact, Maldivian, Portuguese and French seafarers occupied the islands (even if temporarily) 200 years before the “indigenous” arrived. -Mauritius seems to be abusing of its status as a “victim of past colonialism” to expand its influence (which to be fair is understandable from a machiavellian pov). The connection between Chagos and Mauritius would never exist if it wasn’t for the “british colonialism” in the first place. We should not give in to sensationalism or try to apease some influential political bases by adering to their ill-conceived narratives.

[@bobbobby3085]

The Chagossians are actually the native population because they're the first permenant population the Europeans whether the French or British claimed the islands sure but it wasnt theres kinda like various countries Antarctic claims if you get what i mean here You're wrong in saying that the Europeans had occupied the islands because they did not whatsoever

[@KelticStingray]

​@@bobbobby3085there are no indigenous populations on the chaos islands. They are all colonisers. Mauritius should be told to get in the sea.

[@PatGunn]

Notions of indigenousness don't matter much part the lifespan of anyone around today. There's no difference between a population that's lived someplace for 150 years and one that has lived there for 500 or 5000 years.

[@bobbobby3085]

@@PatGunn Yes there’s a massive difference there mate 💀💀💀

[@PatGunn]

@@bobbobby3085 Nope. We're just going to laugh at all these references to ancient history as things that can justify something today; they're as relevant as creation myths, and often just as wrong.

[@adamhughesss]

If the UK bought the islands from the Mauritian government and they thinks it’s unlawful then they should pay back the sum paid by the UK with inflation. They’ve literally just leased the island to the UK twice with extra steps

[@JeffBilkins]

Please get a job at the government you are so smart

[@SDDT24]

@@JeffBilkinshe sounds more reasonable that any government for past 15 years

[@jammiedodger7040]

If they sold the island it’s rightfully British territory and it’s not like there actually anything on the island itself.

[@hellfire8395]

@adamhughesss Yups, you are right. and UK also give unpaid rent of these islands with inflation for all these years to Mauritius according to you😂.

[@casperhiscock4871]

I think cuz the Chagos islands were separated from British Mauritius in 1965, while it was still a British colony. Then Mauritius gained independence in 1968. The UN courts saw this as an unlawful detachment

[@goldenghostinc]

I don't agree with the claim of Mauritius. The islands were never inhabited until France took posession of them. And after them the Engels, who manager them from Mauritius, but that is only an administrative process. I don't understand how that means Mauritius has any claim on them, as they never were part of the country Mauritius before Europe claimd them. The Chagosians never belonged to another country as France or Engeland. I agree that England should have compensated them fairly when forcibly moving them of the islands, just like in other cases where a compensation is needed after the use of the UK version of imminent domain. But other then that this whole issue should have been a non-starter and the UN and other rulings are just plan wrong.

[@bababababababa6124]

Wah wah wah 😩 just accept your empire is done and finished. Whether you “agree” with their claim or not, ultimately doesn’t matter because the deal is done and dusted. Cry more about it.

[@goldenghostinc]

@@bababababababa6124 it's not my empire. I'm not even remotely connected to any of the involved countries (France, UK, USA, Mauritius etc etc). Don't presume to know me. Because I don't agree with your world view and base my opinion on facts instead of emotions you appearantly feel the need to only respont from your emotional side. That's fine, but that only shows your unwillingness to learn and engage in a civilised matter.

[@peterfireflylund]

@@goldenghostincit’s not my empire either and I agree entirely with you.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

They were inhabited by the Chagos Islanders, who we shamefully exiled from their homes. They belong to Mauritius. You didn't even know these islands existed until this video.

[@goldenghostinc]

@@PlatinumAltaria I did know very well that they existed. And if you had paid attention to the video you would have known that they were uninhabited until the french came. They were brought in as labor for the french plantations when the islands were already part of France. They were never an independent territory or part of Mauritius for that part. These islands were only administered from there by the English. The part about the deportation I fully agree with, as also stated in my original post. And for that the English need to make amends. But that has nothing to do with the islands beloning to Mauritius.

[@DavidPugh-v6x]

I do not understand why people do not question why Mauritius wants these islands which are so far away? I suggest it is for the fishing rights. They have one of the last remaining unspoilt reef systems! Fishing is devistating to a reef environment, this will be an ecological diaster.

[@ab-ym3bf]

I do not understand why people do not question why the UK wants these (and other) islands since they are so far away. Further away than any neighbouring mainland.

[@dannyarcher6370]

Those fishing rights will be handed over to the Chinese.

[@lordyhgm9266]

@@ab-ym3bfpaid for them, and have military bases, easy

[@ab-ym3bf]

@@lordyhgm9266 paying at gunpoint and deporting the population you mean?

[@berkekadircelik6282]

​@@lordyhgm9266and UK keeping them is against the international law- sooo

[@crispybacon9917]

Absolutely insane decision. If the natives wanted to be a part of mauritius it would be one thing, but they don't.

[@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501]

Ahhh. Elsewhere you are probably posting shit like "when in Rome..." and " we want our country back".😅

[@paintMonkey_]

You didn't watch the video did you. 😅

[@crispybacon9917]

@@paintMonkey_ I think I know what you mean by that. I watched the video, I'm just giving my opinion

[@paintMonkey_]

@@crispybacon9917 I think my point was more that the UK and US expelled all the indeginious people from the islands in the early 70s. Mauritius has long had a claim to the islands which was undisputed by anyone but the UK. It is a UN resolution that the islands be returned to Mauritius.

[@crispybacon9917]

@@paintMonkey_ I think the expulsion of the natives was appalling, but why are we giving the islands to mauritius instead of the natives? Let them be a self governing overseas territory.

[@literally-just-a-leaf]

Surely the actual step in the direction of decolonising would be to consult the Chagossians themselves, rather than unilaterally signing the islands off to Mauritius, who's link to the island is barely stronger than Britain's? Edit: so I think I've worded this really poorly - which is wholly on me. "Barely stronger" was definitely not the right wording - legally Mauritius has the rightful claim the island as the UN has repeatedly clarified. The sentiment I'm trying to express is that the Chagossians, who were the victims of the victims of the colonial crime of deportation, need to be heavily consulted in these negotiations for the right step in the direction of decolonisation to be taken. If - as one person has said - Chagossians in Mauritius are being included in this deal that is amazing and definitely adds a great deal of legitimacy to the deal. However, Chagossians are apparently not being consulted on the British side - and the wrongs of colonialism will only continue unless that happens

[@damienreilly4347]

Blame the UN, they are the ones that said the islands were Mauritius property

[@bababababababa6124]

“Barely stronger” er no, still ultimately much stronger than yours regardless. The UK still had no right having any sovereignty over those islands. Most of the Chagosians that were forcibly expelled from their homes by you guys, live in Mauritius today. Yes, it’s sad that they were not consulted, but the USA still has their base there so we all knew that they weren’t going to be able to move back. This is just a first step in the right direction

[@nealrigga6969]

@@damienreilly4347well as they’re the geographically closest nation to the islands, I’d say they have a much stronger claim than a random imperialist nation on the other side of the world. You shouldn’t have even been there in the first place 😂

[@literally-just-a-leaf]

@@bababababababa6124 ok, perhaps "barely stronger" was a poor way of wording it, but what I was trying to say is that without the consultation of the Chagossians who are going to be affected by this more than anyone else and who were forcibly deported from their home by the British government, nobody really had a legitimate claim to the islands. The wishes of the Chagossians towards their homeland should be prioritised over the wishes of Mauritius over an archipelago that is ultimately still a thousand miles away. It's a a step in the right direction - but ultimately more sideways than forwards unless the Chagossians are consulted on the final deal

[@mr.p215]

​@@nealrigga6969 "You shouldn’t have even been there in the first place", its called right by conquest which was very popular back in the day.

[@governorkolp9321]

This has got the Argentinians whining again about the Falkland Islands. The difference is Mauritius went to the ICJ and the Argies never will as they know they'll almost certainly lose. The ICJ is known to give great weight to treaties, and the Arana-Southern Treaty of 1850 destroys their "claim". So, they'll just keep whining about it without actually going to the ICJ - for which sovereignty disputes is what it’s there for.

[@tkm238-d4r]

Kind of similar about the pro-independence DPP Taiwanese who want to abolish the ROC and formally secede from China. Most Taiwanese just want to keep the status quo. Being part of China that is not ruled by CCP. That is why the DPP is very good at noise-making but not much else. Since 2000, they ruled Taiwan for the past 16 out of the 24 years using the ROC name. If they try to argue in terms of some international norms, they will lose.

[@roberthindle5146]

The Argies always whine about the Falklands at any opportunity. I'd be more concerned if they didn't.

[@carlosdurand434]

UK is toast. Argentina would hold this time.

[@MegaSavvis]

The Chagos dispute has also been of interest to Cyprus as there are some parallels. Chagos was kept as a British sovereign military base while the rest of Mauritius was granted independence, which is what happened in Cyprus, with the UK keeping parts of it as sovereign military bases. Cyprus has never contested the legality of the bases however, and has made successive agreements with the UK on their status eg. following Brexit, similar to the Northern Ireland protocol. Mauritius on the other hand contested the legality of Chagos soon after independence. It's not clear therefore if Cyprus could decide to contest their legality in the future. Either way it's focused on ending the Turkish occupation at the moment.

[@nijadbahnam9859]

Argentina has no claim on the island . It has never housed any Argentina population, while it has house GB citizens for centuries now . The only claim Argentina has it is the treaty of Tordesillas, which gave half the world to Portugal and the other to Spain, which is ridiculous to use for any claim .

[@nightshift3635]

how can a place that had no native population to begin with be given away as a anti colonialism move

[@Dk-ie4te]

Because they were kicked out of there homeland by Britishers.

[@deKahedron]

Because the people who did live there were forced there by colonialism. And then when that same colonial power decided to, it forced them all to leave again.

[@stephenlee5929]

It had native islanders, they were deported to the country that has now been given them. The video does mention this.

[@Frankie._.164]

​@@Dk-ie4te Typical Indian 😂

[@HarJBeRw]

The chagossians aren't indigenous. They were brought there as slaves and labour, and then were forced off. These islands have no native populations ​@@stephenlee5929

[@mm-yt8sf]

why did cleverly do something so unpopular with his own party at all?

[@tasin2776]

Now he's criticising the government for what he started

[@Artonkn]

​@@tasin2776 he knows what he's doing

[@LordDim1]

The negotiations originally started because - and I’m not kidding here - the Mauritian delegation literally cornered Liz Truss, when she was foreign secretary, at the UN, and she bleated out, without having spoken to the government about it, that she would start negotiations on returning the islands. The start of this entire saga was literally down to Liz Truss having a public brain fart

[@dvidclapperton]

@@LordDim1 Indeed. it's not all Starmer's fault.

[@LordDim1]

@@dvidclapperton Absolutely not, the Tories have a huge amount of blame. However, it’s entirely on Starmer that he’s decided to actually give them back, which is absolutely ridiculously stupid.

[@CarlosSanchez-bs7ft]

Really interesting situation. Do Chagossians want to return to these tiny islands if presented the opportunity? From my understanding, the copra plantations were not self-sufficient before the inhabitants were forcibly removed. Even drinking water needs to be imported. It would be a very expensive and isolated existence. The islands were uninhabited before European colonialism for a reason. With the very real threat of sea levels rising on islands barely above sea level, I think this would also be a consideration for any resettlement program. The claim Mauritius has over the Chagos Archipelago is also artificial. Mauritius itself was uninhabited before European colonialism. France (followed by the UK) kept Mauritius and the Chagos Archipelago together for administrative reasons. This does not feel like a former colony fighting for sovereignty over a piece of its homeland. Why does this matter? The Chagos Archipelago protects a large percentage of the remaining reef systems in the Indian Ocean (about 50% by some estimates). The economic exclusion zone and marine reserve perimeter around the islands creates a needed refugia for fish stocks to recover and multiply in our heavily overfished oceans. Even now, there is a lot of poaching for East Asian markets even with the US-UK presence. Would Mauritius safeguard such a resource or sell fishing rights to China for short term gain? These islands also matter geopolitically, although these concerns would be more in the long term due to the 99-year lease for Diego Garcia.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

If you're so worried about countries allying with our enemies, maybe we should be nicer to them instead of driving them away?

[@feihceht656]

​@@PlatinumAltaria I think the concern isn't about China specifically, but selling those fishing rights to a wealthy but exploitative nation like China which would be bad ecologically

[@PlatinumAltaria]

@@feihceht656 Nobody, and I mean nobody, has any serious ecological concerns about the islands.

[@tulliusexmisc2191]

I don't know about people from other Chagos islands, but Diego Garcia had by far the largest population pre-deportation. Forbidden to return home, many are now settled in the UK, and that section of the population has always been vocal about what they want: their homes and homeland. Instead the Mauritian government gets to sell all rights to the highest bidder (or perhaps the highest briber). I didn't see anything about extending the Chagossians' right to remain in the UK, so it seems quite possible they will be deported in chains to a hostiile foreign country. A disgraceful crime against humanity, and ironically the work of the international institutions whose mission is to prevent such abuses.

[@EdgyNumber1]

@@PlatinumAltaria Be nice to the other bully that steals everyones lunch money, now 😉

[@caseclosed9342]

The Chagos Islands were uninhabited before Europeans discovered them. How the heck is it colonialism for Europeans to occupy previously uninhabited islands and how does Mauritius have any claim to them?

[@craigcharlesworth1538]

Well, per the video, the French settlers brought people there (as slaves to work the plantations) and those people settled there. Then 200 years later, the now British colony threw them all out because the US wanted to build a military base. It'san unusual case of colonialism, in that Europeans didn't march into an already settled area and take control, but I'd still say it was a result of colonial attitues which were that these were black and brown people and therefore ours to do as we pleased with.

[@baumholderh8425]

This is actually surprisingly common. Area was loosely or not populated. Colonist show up. Others immigrate in and then pretend they have a more historical claim.

[@commodorezero]

In the technical sense of the word a colony doesn't require a native population. If we made a base on the moon it would be a lunar......colony.

[@Plevins]

@@craigcharlesworth1538 Britain went to war with France, took the islands as a victory peace, released all the slaves there after abolishing slavery. Britain has no colonial attitues in the Chagos Islands.

[@erikthomsen4768]

@@PlevinsAnd yet the removal of these people to use the land for military use must be treated differently than the villages of Imber, Tyneham, and Balsdean in England. I don’t know why. But the feelings of some people are less valuable than others.

[@Sten111]

The Chagos Islands has in reality been a staging site for USA military interests so the whole concept of handing it over to Mauritius by the UK is really a spurious event.

[@aldine_KSP]

L for Britain.

[@mrs9305]

Next is Scotland and Ireland

[@tomricketts7821]

Don’t forget Gibraltar

[@mikebellis5713]

Wales?

[@gabbar51ngh]

Don't forget Wales.

[@CanadaBall_loves_Carrot731-x6q]

Not happening

[@andycockrum1212]

Lol

[@letsgosouls]

The islands are not in Africa they are in the middle of the Indian Ocean . Just have to look at a map to know that 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@nouhowlmao2809]

Then why deport its natives to african islands

[@Shiva-nx1tn]

​@@nouhowlmao2809Diego Garcia Or Chagos Island Are In Asia Not Africa And More Closer To South Asia Than Africa

[@oldplucker1]

@@nouhowlmao2809 The Chagossians were Slaves the British freed from Slave traders. Britain freed the slaves of the World from every country at great expense. British activists also changed Abraham Lincoln’s mind about slavery starting the US Civil War where brothers fought brothers and other family members to free the black slaves of the Southern States.

[@pratikgohil2577]

Continental Plate.

[@listenup2882]

​@@oldplucker1Britain introduced slavery to much of the world. Let's not pretend that Brits are some sort of heroes.

[@edenshorthousesthouse1925]

Marituas is colonising Chagos now, U.N. general Assembly is not seeing this are they?

[@suranjanpattanaik8871]

This case has already been solved since by the international court 😊 chagos belong to marituas , 😊 get some knowledge, actually uk is a terorist country

[@gluebox]

Chagos was a dependency of Mauritius like Rodriguez island, it was never an independent country. Chagos has NO government of its own. Nothing wrong with Chagossians wanting self determination but there is a PATH to do this according to international law. Currently they don’t even have a governing body nor the resources to even resettle themselves on the islands let alone develop the islands. Legally Mauritius was and is the governing body

[@mabeSc]

How can he (Keir) give up territory without first discussing this in Parliament or holding a vote regarding the situation? Whether you agree with it or not, I still find it baffling that a single man can make such choices in a democracy.

[@JeffBilkins]

The Tories started the negotiation years ago.. This was mentioned in the video your didn't watch.

[@VaradMahashabde]

The final treaty will need to be ratified by parliament

[@mabeSc]

@@JeffBilkins The negotiations opened by the Tories were aimed to resolve the dispute with Mauritius, not give up the territory altogether. They even said that the government was advised not to give the territory up -- and that the government was about to drop the case completely. There are many ways to resolve territorial disputes and giving up the territory is pretty much the worst outcome possible (at least in most cases). Even the native people that were deported from the islands said that they were not consulted and that they disagree with the choice.

[@warmachineuk]

It's an agreement and not yet a finalised treaty. To become finalised, it must be ratified by the legislature of both sides. People only talk as if it's going to happen because it's highly unlikely either side will reject it.

[@randeknight]

The Commons can (now) block the ratification of the treaty, but given Labours majority, this is unlikely to happen. Even being able to block ratification is a recent thing, and it was only in 2010 that they gained the power to do so. Previously it was common to bypass parliament by including stuff in a treaty that wouldn't pass a vote locally - and then blame the new law on the foreign country.

[@chillibean281]

Mauritius actually has no legitimate claim on these islands. This deal is embarrassing and ridiculous.

[@Optimus-Prime-Rib]

😂

[@bobbobby3085]

What claim does Britain have? They kicked out the first permenant inhabitants, who werent British and basically stole the territory on the eve of Mauritius independence

[@chillibean281]

@bobbobby3085 They bought it first of all, and second, the islands were uninhabited before European arrival. If the UN truly wants to 'decolonize' territory, it should go back to France.

[@rosshilton]

@@bobbobby3085 You don’t know much about it do you? I suggest a little research might be in order

[@bobbobby3085]

@@chillibean281 Learn some history before making a fool out of yourself, when Britain “bought” the territory Mauritius was still under British control the purchase was made under duress and has no legal basis the UN and the ICC and the international court of arbitration along with dozens of human rights groups and NGO’s are all unanimous in saying Britain is in the wrong and has no legitimate claim to the island and that it is still a colony which they must free

[@princealiglorioushe728]

So, by the same logic implemented by the UN, France should be entitled to Louisiana?

[@user-sh3cf7kd6e]

No, because it happened before 1945. Yes, many international laws are dumb. The UN is not a democracy. It's a very loose confederation of the countries of the world - most of whom authoritarian.

[@nggames1439]

Yes they should, but they would never actually make a claim at it as Louisiana would never vote to be apart of France

[@user-sh3cf7kd6e]

@@princealiglorioushe728 No, only because it happened before 1945. Yes, many international laws are very d mb.

[@diegorodrigovelasquezmeniz8026]

Lousiana was spanish.

[@answerman9933]

@@diegorodrigovelasquezmeniz8026 Louisiana was Spanish? And what did the native population of the area think about that? I mean, if we are going back what is the cut-off point?

[@aidan11162]

The Uk’s slide in irrelevance continues

[@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501]

Well, people voted for it.

[@thinfourth]

And free scotland so it can become an islamic marxist transgender republic

[@gothicgolem2947]

How?

[@lighting7508]

@@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501 people voted for housebuilding, more investment and rail nationalisation.

[@Catmint309]

Oh god oh no they’re giving up a random island but keeping the military base oh god they’re so irrelevant oh god oh no without islands in other oceans across the world the UK will be irrelevant like Germany or Russia or China, since none of them have useless island colonies. Oh god oh no my life is over oh god oh no oh god oh no

[@JT_Williams]

Starmer is weak as piss, should be ashamed of himself.

[@Snozcumbers]

Why?

[@WongPeter-tx7qq]

It is not Starmer but UK

[@gabbar51ngh]

UK itself is a weak ass nation.

[@Swiplys]

The Tories are far worse, and Farage is a swine

[@smada36]

I really like this deal. Especially the part where nothing actually changes except the UK gives money to Mauritius for the next 99 years. I wonder how much the UK will give the Chagossians when their complaint for being excluded is accepted.

[@N555M]

Now the future Mauritian government will give all its citizens tons of free money monthly following the Diego Garcia rent deal for 99 years. Mauritius will receive billions every year following this deal. Even people not working and sleeping at home all day will receive free money. Thank you very much UK.👍👍👍

[@kennethloo7447]

In that case, my country singapore should ask for the return of christmas island. It used to be administered as part of singapore before independence. Our govt was most probably forced to sell the island to australia under duress. 😢

[@nironnaganathar]

Would be nice to take a domestic flight from Changi to Christmas Island 😂

[@yottwr6108]

@@kennethloo7447 As this took place before 1965; when Singapore was ejected from Malaysia (which was inaugurated in 1963), Christmas Island must be returned to Malaysia.

[@DieFlabbergast]

I have a better idea: EVERY country should lay claim in the "international courts" to almost every other piece of land within a thousand miles of their current borders, since you can be sure that they occupied that land at some point in time, if you go back far enough! This should keep the courts and the so-called United Nations busy for the next three thousand years, at my estimate :)

[@kennethloo7447]

@@yottwr6108 it was never part of malaysia. It was part of singapore as a crown colony from 1945 to 1958. Then its transferred to australia on request in 1958. Sgp got $20m as compensation and built the merdeka bridge with it. Sgp was part of malaysia from 63-65 only. That's why msia nvr claim the island. Cocos islands was transferred to aussie in 1955.

[@yottwr6108]

@kennethloo7447 Singapore was part of the greater federation, i.e. MALAYSIA during this period, hence any territory would come under its jurisdiction.

[@TheAmericanMuffin]

Since when have conservatives been willing to acknowledge something they don’t like is the result of their own actions in the past.

[@mkvenner2]

This is not on my bingo card.

[@navinthehouse4710]

Indian Foreign Ministry also pressured the UK to give up the islands, which was a big step

[@nbmag]

No one cares about what india’s foreign ministry says, least of all the uk

[@mnm1273]

It's like when you hand a kid a controller that isn't plugged in and tell him that he did a good job

[@navinthehouse4710]

@@mnm1273 India has more influence than Mauritius on geopolitics in the Indian ocean. No offense to Mauritius I fw them

[@UnlikeMitchell]

So we bought it legally and now we’ve handed it back and paying for the pleasure?

[@three_mountaineers775]

Yea it's extremely weird. Mauritius got paid for the island, then they complained that it was illegally excised under duress and demanded it back. Not only are they not going to pay the money they got for selling it in the first place + inflation, they're charging MORE money for it's 99 year lease for the military base?

[@bababababababa6124]

@@three_mountaineers775how much were you REALLY paying them though? They were literally a colony ran by yourselves, so it’s not like it was breaking your bank or anything 😂

[@UFOHESKEY]

Lol cmon, how are you still pretending that's how things went down. Legality is just a politely delivered thinly veiled threat for the British empire, who do you think created enforced and judged here? Just be grateful you got away with looting the entire planet for once

[@coconut7490]

the payment is probably like 10 pounds a year let's be real, they don't care

[@Catmint309]

Wait if the legality of it matters to you, then why aren’t you concerned about the fact that the ICJ ruled that it wasn’t legal? You can’t claim the legal defense when the court rules what happened wasn’t legal.

[@devamjani8041]

I am SO happy to see the crying brits here in the comments 😂😂😂 Thinking them typing their own made up history will make the ilands come back to britain 😂😂 Prepare for Irish and Scottish independence next

[@davidboult4143]

You will be crying when your mobile and satnav stop working. Do some research.

[@michaelhaywood8262]

@@davidboult4143 these do not rely on the base. EASILY relocatable.

[@davidboult4143]

@@michaelhaywood8262 wrong. Do some research.

[@8986shah]

If most of them think British colonialism in chagos is good then brits should stop complaining about refugees and migrants coming to their own country and making UK look like Englishtan. Glad finally sun is setting on brits.

[@jsthereforfun1648]

You have left out work of India to liberate the island

[@Leugim010]

I don't like how a government with 33.7% of the votes can just give away sovereign territory like that.

[@mnm1273]

The last government with 50% of the vote was the WW2 coalition. And the last time one party won 50% of the vote was 1931. The British system doesn't require 50% if the vote to govern, systems were suggested to change that and were refused

[@dikshantkandwal8676]

Weren't yours to begin with.

[@rohankishibe8259]

Colonisers are so entitled are they.... British, French, Zionists, Amaricans 🖕🏼

[@freddekl1102]

I'm sorry what internal system would you prefer for giving back illegally occupied territory lmao Also reminder that nobody forced FPP system for you, but please do keep it to remind rest of the world how stupid and unfair it is

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

​@@dikshantkandwal8676that's not how owning land works.

[@deathfroude]

I would like to know how much the 'annual payments' the UK will be making are going to be!

[@vannustube]

should be less than US is paying UK. we're now sub-letting.

[@garyyoung3179]

Allegedly it's in the region of several tens of millions.

[@crypticTV]

0:10 last colony 0:22 1:55 2:35 4:15 War and CIA use 6:06 8:13 Displaced people

[@BimRen246]

Some Chagossians want the right to return to their island with reparations to rebuild, while others want the UK to keep their promise of UK citizenship to the Chagos people, and some want the UK to honour all of these options.

[@j2174]

Why is it important to be "on good terms with Mauritius"? LMFAO

[@taiwandxt6493]

Because they are a sovereign nation and there isn't any reason to not be on good terms with them. Also, to be on good terms with them serves a benefit, because they have been becoming closer with China in recent decades.

[@nealrigga6969]

Because why not? See this is the issue with Europeans and Westerners in general. You are all naturally self-centred and view other nations as inferior, when every country has its own unique importance. Mauritius is still an important ally to have due to their location off the coast of Africa and near popular shipping routes.

[@alexeistrife56]

@@nealrigga6969 Speaking as a Westerner - preach.

[@taiwandxt6493]

@@PacificRecaps I'm not sure what you mean.

[@mr.p215]

@@nealrigga6969 "self-centred and view other nations as inferior" well conquering someone will give you the assumption that they are inferior to you, yes.

[@HideoV]

"return" is a better word than "hand over" or "give up". The way Brits default to thinking of the colonies as theirs is always charming

[@benjaminfry6640]

Return it to who? It was uninhabited until the French found it.

[@HideoV]

@@benjaminfry6640 2:19

[@greenhawk6839]

I vehemently disagree with any commenters calling this a shameful act. On the contrary, this is an honourable act that corrects a shameful misdeed and shows that the UK has a modicum respect for international law. Mauritius was effectively coerced into parting with these islands in order to achieve independence. The people who lived there were forcibly expelled and have been consistently denied their right of return by the UK government ever since. They fought all the way to the House of Lords only to be coldly shut down. The Chagossians had hit a dead end. Restoring Mauritian sovereignty was the only way forward under international law. Hopefully Mauritius will finally allow the long-suffering Chagossians to return home, though their exclusion from the negotiations is concerning. Today the UK is choosing to do the right thing even if it's difficult and we ought to celebrate that.

[@aceman0000099]

It's basically a non issue to be honest. It's not difficult for the UK (unless it really was a CIA black-site), and only getting so much attention because of the symbolic implications

[@jeongbun2386]

White English people’s illness to think they own everything because some rich elite says they do is crazy.

[@tulliusexmisc2191]

The 'dead end' for the Chagossians was the result of obstruction by the British and Mauritian governments who are stuck in your colonialist mindset. We should have stopped treating human beings as goods to be traded between powers long ago.

[@LordDim1]

To say Mauritius was coerced into giving away the islands to achieve independence is just hilariously historically incorrect. The Mauritian government at the time (Mauritius achieved full self-government in 1961, with the UK retaining only responsibility for foreign affairs and defence) was actually unionist; they wanted to become fully integrated into the UK. The UK a refused to and forced Mauritius into independence against its own government’s wishes. The Chief Minister of Mauritius at the time, Seewoosagur Ramgoolam, spoke of how the Chagos islands were entirely irrelevant to Mauritius, was not truly Mauritian, and Mauritius had gotten a brilliant deal with getting rid of them in turn for money.

[@aceman0000099]

@@LordDim1 they should have told the UN as much

[@RedSupergiant]

UK must give up Scotland and Northern Ireland, that will be called actual giving up

[@jager6863]

Perhaps Scotland should annex England and claim it is justified because of past English oppression. I'm sure Comrade Starmer would agree to this.

[@yottwr6108]

The 1966 agreement between US and UK to militarise Diego Garcia, was for 50 years, not 70 which was stated in the video. This lease was renewed in 2016 for a further 20 years. However, last Thursdays accord extends the US lease to 99 years. DG is merely a cash cow for Mauritius. No doubt, as has been mentioned by the UK's negotiator with Mauritius, Jonathan Powell, the Mauritians will effectively receive 'rent' from the US, as well as a handout from the UK.

[@TKRoGan1]

Very informative, thank you

[@maxheadrom3088]

It's because Stammer is a good guy! Actually, the legal decision came long ago - he's just following the decision.

[@seanlander9321]

Little Britain.

[@alexogle8950]

Typical incompetence. Not by the British Government (that is only to be expected) but by TLDR coverage. The agenda at play is obvious from the outset where the shipping of slaves to the archipelago by the French was described even though it is utterly irrelevant to the issue at hand. The analysis falls apart after that and seeks to diminish the advantage China gets out of this 'settlement' that sees the UK and US lose control over the only meaningful naval station (including supplying submarines) in the region (none of which details are mentioned in this video).

[@scooby1992]

Didnt the video state that the agreement gives a 99 year lease on the military base for use by the UK and US ?

[@alexogle8950]

@@scooby1992 You really need to improve your reading comprehension. "Advantage," was the key word. The lease merely emphasises their "advantage". Analysis of that was sorely lacking in this video. It's like the 99-year lease on the New Territories next to Kowloon. The UK owned Kowloon but that became impractical to own without the New Territories, which the Chinese demanded back knowing they'd get the lot. 99 years to lease a naval base seems like a long time... until it isn't.

[@scooby1992]

@@alexogle8950 Thanks for your input and for educating me

[@alexogle8950]

@@scooby1992 ...and I apologise for being curt with you. Frustrations with a video that could have been so much better but was just lazy instead.

[@scooby1992]

@@alexogle8950 No worries .

[@willharrison3374]

It does fill me with hope for humanity when land disputes are settled at the talking stage with mutual satisfaction without everyone needing to go starting wars

[@MaritimeCRoute]

For centuries, the Maldivians have used the Chagos as a base for fishing expeditions. People would camp on the islands, catch fish, and cook, smoke, and dry them. Additionally, the exiled Maldive King Hassan IX (also known as Dom Manoel), while in Cochin, describes himself in his letters patent of 1561 as King of the Maldive islands, including seven of the islands of Pullobay, referring to Fōlhavahi or the Chagos, and this letter survives in a Portuguese archive in Lisbon.

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[@jeremy2875]

I am always intrigued by the statement “indigenous population” and "decolonization" when it comes to the Chagos. When European Explorers first came across the islands they were uninhabited. Europeans set up settlements on the islands, and then the French took over and set up a plantation system. Towards the end of the 18th Century they brought in thousands of slaves from Africa to work the plantations. Eventually the “slaves” were converted to paid workers. Now 6 generations later they were called the indigenous people of the islands. So according to the UN, after 6 generations in a land a group of people become indigenous? Does that mean that Europeans are indigenous to Australia, New Zealand, North America? Also, the islands have more of a connection to the much closer Maldives, who have oral traditions of fisherman being temporarily stranded there. The only connection to Mauritius is that they were both under the same colonial administration.

[@RamKrishna-hf6dd]

As if Europeans in Australia NZ and North America don't act like they're indigenous to these lands. The people there before European colonization live like second class citizens there and yet you are the one here with a persecution complex.

[@tgapete01]

@@RamKrishna-hf6dd You obviously are unaware of New Zealands politicians or the large tribal owned tourist corporations for example.Quit talking out of your backside.

[@WilliamHall-l8v]

Argentina will be getting falkland islands soon

[@kb4903]

In the know are you?

[@Finnbobjimbob]

Why would they?

[@nealrigga6969]

Two completely separate situations. The Falklands is British by all accounts and has a permanent population of people who identify as such. The Chagos islands were just a massive glorified military base and nothing more. But of course uneducated people online would make up a link between these two.

[@Lorraine-p4r]

Yeah this Far Left, Labour Government is so Nuts, Scary, ! What will they do Next!!!???

[@jonasastrom7422]

​@@nealrigga6969The argentinians can literally just claim the falklands as indigenous native american land which is now under the jurisdiction of argentina. The UN is a joke

[@acrux4556]

It's better to give up on these islands while still getting a base for 99 years rather than impacting British as well as American relations with the Indians in the future for just a military base that the brits still have access too as an Indian I think it's a smart diplomatic move by the brits because either way you would have faced international pressures regarding this . From a strategic or nationalistic pov it's never good to loose your territory.

[@stuart3878]

Do we need the islands? If so why? Strategic or Empire Pride?

[@Omegaess]

The us wants it and Britain had it so they just lent it

[@Omegaess]

So it’s strategic

[@MinedMaker]

I am somewhat perplexed by all the UK bros in the comments acting like "Mauritius has no claim to these islands", "They're way too far away to belong to Mauritius" and "The local inhabitants want something different". Hello? This is always how it goes. Nobody is ever happy about colonial-era borders, because they're artificial, but it's the only legal and internationally recognized way to proceed. Colonies are granted independence with their colonial-era borders. Same goes with Mauritius. This has been going on since the 1940s, one would hope that it's at least mentioned in the UK's primary education how these things typically play out...

[@ayoa1173]

"Granted independence with their colonial era borders" Agree with your point but your quote above didn't happen in India, Ireland or Cyrus.

[@jatin9070]

​@@ayoa1173india was literally partitioned because of muslims ,otherwise india ,pakistan and Bangladesh will be literally one country . In Ireland case , UK after settling their British people in that upper part of Ireland basically took that part . UK tortured and bullied Irish a lot . So it is not that that surprising . In the Cyprus case ,it is between Greece and turkey . They both want to keep Cyprus under its control.

[@josephnjuguna1986]

Chagos is too far away to belong to Mauritius

[@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501]

But it can still belong to the UK?😅😅😅

[@euanstokes2828]

But not too far away to belong to the UK?

[@KRthe4]

The UK has had the islands for the longest period of time and Mauritius has never had sovreignty of the Chagos islands. So yeah, Britain has more right than anyone.​@@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501

[@Artonkn]

​@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501 haven't you heard? Britainia rules the waves

[@bababababababa6124]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Lazarusman]

Because hes a traitor

[@fredvh2157]

Very good overview of the topic

[@jaredvaughan1665]

There was no natives on the islands when the Europeans discovered them.

[@tonydivito3489]

Ireland expects the UK to return its six counties.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

There is already an agreement in place that the Northern Irish counties can vote whether to rejoin Ireland or not, Britain has no control over that process.

[@jeongbun2386]

Good

[@diegorodrigovelasquezmeniz8026]

For an united ireland in our lifetime

[@pleasestandup]

So basically they were uninhabited, then French owned, then inhabited by slaves from Mozambique and Madagascar, then owned by the UK in 1814, who freed the slaves by 1834. And owned by the UK ever since. So the only claim Mauritius actually has is that the British governed the islands via its own nearest land based colony for convenience at the time... I'd argue the French have first rights, the people from Mozambique and Madagascar can claim it biologically and the UK in terms of length of ownership. The only one who doesn't have a claim is Mauritius...

[@grrumakemeangry]

facts

[@user-ts1gj9wb6u]

When Mauritius got its independence from France, then France also gave away their claim to Mauritius. It's a packaged deal it seems.

[@walideg5304]

@@user-ts1gj9wb6uMauritius got its independence from UK not from France. Mauritius was occupied by the British during the Napoleonic wars but never given back to France in 1815.

[@jordan3802]

Surrender the territory AND give financial aid in exchange for nothing. British diplomacy Labour style

[@seriousmaran9414]

Tory style you moron. Tories were in government 2 years ago when they agreed to hand the islands over. Foreign Secratary was none other than James Cleverly.

[@JOGA_Wills]

You had the island for 200 yrs, what more do you want ??

[@jackmorgan4817]

The Torys started the talks

[@lordyhgm9266]

You mean the Tories

[@PJH13]

@@jackmorgan4817 And stopped them when they realised they couldn't agree to what was being offered. It's the person who actually decides to do something that matters, not the one who thought about it and said nah

[@kevinbucktowar1144]

The UK has in fact succeeded a 'coup'. International opinion being against her over the Chagos ownership she has accepted Mauritian claim but there are conditions and the main one is the occupancy of the Diego Garcia military base by the US for 99 years renewable for another 99 years on British terms. That means permanent occupancy of the military base in question. So, Britain has been able to silence international opinion by getting permanently what is most important for her national interests. Britain has been able to neutralize international public opinion and maintain her vital interests. The US military base help to keep peace in the region and maintain at arms' length the covetous eyes of the Chinese and Russia.

[@lexus8018]

Starmer has officially set the sun on the British empire. The chagos islands were the last British possession that was in daylight while the rest of the British territories were in darkness.

[@bababababababa6124]

You realise Tories started these negotiations in the first place

[@jeongbun2386]

🤔

[@mckendrick7672]

​@@bababababababa6124They started negotiations with intent on ending the dispute; they had no intentions to just give them away.

[@El-Djazir-Blobfish]

i just found out, no, the UK will not give up on diego Garcia, only the rest of chagos islands. so basically... it's the same

[@RedXlV]

The British Empire ended decades ago. Tories just don't want to admit it

[@Shazzkid]

The UK didn't do this. Starmer did. We didn't vote for this, there was no referendum, and 70% of us didn't vote for Labour.

[@andrewgoodall2183]

Referendum? wtf are you on about.

[@Shazzkid]

@@andrewgoodall2183 Do you not know what a referendum is?

[@maxrebo8455]

The vast majority of Brits wouldn't know where these islands are or care what happens to them. The UK should have kept Diego Garcia, not just a lease, if they were planning to hand the rest back to Mauritius.

[@christianmiller9934]

Chagossians are the people of that land they are the only voice that matters

[@scooby1992]

Should we have a referendum on every decision a Gvt makes ? . In my opinion the last one was a disaster which gave the voters a binary choice on complicated matters. Were there referendums in the UK on countries of the empire which gained independence ? Referendums are useful instruments for asking people to decide complicated questions with easy choices .

[@davidellis1355]

This was basically Mauritius, who had no really legitimate claim trying to extort some money out of the UK

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Their claim comes from us drawing the borders there, you idiot.

[@bobbobby3085]

What so Britian has a stronger claim? 🤣

[@dariuszgaat5771]

@@bobbobby3085 Because it was Britain that settled and developed these islands centuries ago? They were previously uninhabited.

[@LordDim1]

@@bobbobby3085 Yes, Britain absolutely has a stronger claim

[@bobbobby3085]

@@LordDim1 No we don't we didnt discover it first, theres no significant British population of settlers unlike the Falklands for example and we kicked of the original permanant inhabitants due to a secret US-UK deal. Britian was going to give these islands to Mauritius if it wasnt for the US wanting bases, unfortunatlet as pointed out by several international organisations such as the UN that Britians administration of the island is illegal and that Britain must complete the decolonisation process everywhere

[@JKR9488]

The government is fucking pathetic

[@OrganicAct]

This isn’t the first time the UK has given up part of the British Indian Ocean Territory. The western part of the territory was given to the Seychelles on independence in 1976. There were plans to put the base there in the 60s, but the US and UK opted for Chagos as there was a rare turtle colony on one of the islands or something like that. Look up John Pilger’s documentary Stealing a Nation for more.

[@JoannDavi]

Only ONE country has territory on a continent's mainland far from its own: FRANCE. Why is everyone so quiet about French Guiana in South America?

[@kaanpleb]

As they say: "As good as forever"

[@tomasvrabec1845]

Again. People are getting overtly emotional about this. Unless you are Cheggosian, this issue is nonexistent to you. A week ago, vast majority never heard of it nor would recall the islands name... Let alone location. Despite the fact that it's been talked about here and there for the past 40 years or more. They blame Starter for not consulting parlament or something... When it's all been effectively decided before he took office (and it would be stupid to just revert decisions made over the past decade to an issue that doesn't affect Britain). It's one of those things that in effect doesn't matter what so ever unless you are the very very very small group that is directly affected. It's no different than movie people because their village will be flooded for a dam. Litteraly, there was just a few thousand of them. They weren't indigenous there. Not to mention that those islands will be under water within the next 25 years. The people who are planning to move there are setting themselves for a catastrophe.

[@legomovieman2]

Trading hard power for soft power is ridiculous, paying for someone to take your lands is even worse.

[@caseclosed9342]

The first people to discover those islands were Europeans. There were never “Chagossians”…

[@lukefleetwood7958]

It is UK territory, and it's loss undermines the country globally. Labour have just allowed themselves to be bullied and extorted by a pointless island country for no beneficial reason.

[@jeongbun2386]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@tulliusexmisc2191]

It may not be well-known in other countries, but the fate of the Chagossians has been a significant public concern in the UK for decades. Since the start of the century, I doubt two months have passed without one of the major newspapers covering Diego Garcia and its population.

[@moonlit_forest2680]

So essentially this was under the conservative government but Labour was in a massive legal issue if they didn’t give it up because of the conservatives and people are blaming labour for this?

[@mnm1273]

It would just have been the continuation of illegal occupation. It's immoral but the start of negotiations by the conservative didn't force Labour's decision

[@legomovieman2]

International law is an unenforceable meme and only Brits are stupid enough to actually believe it has weight or that anyone cares about it

[@wrestlinganime4life288]

Rage culture my friend

[@BencanteFox]

the conservatives were going to end talks and they never planned to yield the islands

[@anabolicchicken5972]

There is no legal issue, that's pure nonsense being perpetuated. The international court ruling was a non binding recommendation and bare in mind we paid Mauritius for the Islands later.

[@laurentdrozin812]

This is a great deal. The Chagos islands have zero value except for the base, which is now settled for 99 years. The Chagos and the Chagossians are now Mauritius problem, and they are welcome to it. As for what happens in 99 years? By then, Britain might not even exist as an ongoing concern anymore, so no reason to sweat about the issue.

[@stukafaust]

But why are we paying Mauritius? If anything the Yanks should since they run the base.

[@ofaiedori8118]

Why Mauritius and not Maldives or Seychelles which are closer?

[@akashbanerjee6272]

India played a crucial role in this, as it had been a strong supporter of de colonization process across the world for a lomg time. India had supported Mauritius in this matter and also presurized UK through back channels to transfer the islands to Mauritius which rigghtfully belongs to them. Really proud of my country that we could help our friendly get what was always their right.

[@ryandanngetich2524]

Pure opium 😂Indian propaganda at its finest

[@suyashverma9060]

I think so India should have bought this island for strategic purpose

[@anilsahu5709]

Dont worry if it is with Mauritius think like it is with India only.

[@Camymanc]

Starmer OUT

[@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501]

Not a fan of democracy are we ?

[@wi-gk7tu]

@@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501FPTP isn’t true democracy.. 33% of the vote with 64% of seats…?

[@jeongbun2386]

All over and island you dont even care about

[@AustrianPainter14]

scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501 No I’m not. It’s a sham

[@gabbar51ngh]

UK fumbled by letting Sunak go.

[@prismgems]

Wouldn't India have been a more logical polity to take over the islands? From the map, it seems closer.

[@a11osaurus]

There is no logical way for any other countries to take over the islands

[@answerman9933]

But why India and not The Maldives? The Maldives is even closer.

[@jatin9070]

​@@answerman9933if it comes to claiming things that we used to rule a long time ago . India would too much land . A lot of important islands in the ocean ,whole indian subcontinent, major parts of south east asia . But we are not stupid stupid enough to do that . We don't want the lands except that we consider our part right now and we can't rule such large parts of areas in reality right now . The people that live in those those areas are not completely but still very diffrent from ordinary Indian in terms of lifestyle ,culture and recent history . So thinking we can rule them is really stupid . Lastly Mauritius and chargos islands were used to one before British rule . British broke them away from Mauritius because they know that someday they have to give independence to Mauritius but chargos islands have too much strategic value so they kept it for themselves and later give those islands to USA so that USA can keep increase its presence in Indian Ocean and keep a very important part of trade and from military perspective under its control .

[@gabbar51ngh]

India was one of the supporters of chagos island being returned to Mauritius.

[@prismgems]

@@gabbar51ngh Thanks for the clarification!

[@mackysplace]

The Tories arguments against ring hollow, it was their initial talks that lead to this agreement. We had to do it. It was wrong of the UK to carve this part of Mauritius up for our own benefit. This deal is unique, and the Spanish and Argentinian Governments can make noises all they want, Gibraltar and the Falklands are not up for negotiation. Gibraltar was ceded nearly 500 years ago, and Spain still holds parts of the Moroccan coast, and the Falklands were settled by British settlers, not displacing an Argentinian population.

[@diegorodrigovelasquezmeniz8026]

Las Malvinas were robbed by Engloids pirates as acepted by The un. GIBRALTAR is spanish and las plazas de soberanía, Ceuta and Melilla are 6× times Bigger than GIBRALTAR, which Will be spanish again sooner than later

[@diegorodrigovelasquezmeniz8026]

Are You Moroccan lawyer or something like that? I hear that paks and muslims are ruling over England but You, Engloids, are always bringing up Marocco. GIBRALTAR is BETWEEN SPAIN AND ENGLAND , no more, being a men an stop bringing up your arab lovers...

[@scooby1992]

Exactly

[@yottwr6108]

This agreement is a gift for the current Mauritian government. It was expected that general elections were going to be called on the island. With this British interference in the internal affairs of Mauritius, the very next day after the announcement on the Chagos, Friday 4th October, the Mauritian (puppet) president dissolved parliament on the back of this 'victory' for the India-aligned ruling MSM-lead government. Elections are now scheduled for the 10th November. Hence, any debate within the Mauritian parliament regarding this issue has effectively been stiffeled.

[@mildlydispleased3221]

"The UK's last remaining African colony" Saint Helena: Am I a joke to you?

[@smokeyhoodoo]

Talking about the anglos last African colony like you're about to destroy the supremarism is a joke

[@cowboybeboop9420]

I`m glad Britain is getting smaller. Time for Scotland and Northern Ireland to gain independence and to be done with it. Spain getting Gibraltar might not be the worst idea either.

[@shanekeenaNYC]

Wonder why they left the EU? This is why. The UK needs to find themselves.

[@cowboybeboop9420]

@@shanekeenaNYC The UK left the EU because 1. They were SUPER EXTREMELY racist against Slavs and Eastern Europeans in general. So good luck when they run out of doctors, nurses, etc. 2. Because they were stupid. They had a big voice and a privileged position in the EU. Now they need a trade deal to compensate. The only people that can give them that are the Americans. The Americans are gonna fuck them hard for it and give them an unfair deal coz "MAGA" and the UK are gonna play the client state bitch boy role.

[@scooby1992]

@@shanekeenaNYC People often quite rightly point out that most people living in the Falklands and Gibraltar want to remain British , by a massive margin . But the people of Gibraltar also voted by 96% to remain part of the EU as they knew how difficult Brexit would make their lives , a point ignored by most Brexit supporters .

[@shanekeenaNYC]

@@scooby1992 Gibraltar should be a part of Spain, as should Hong Kong be a part of China. The model the falklands should use is Svalbard but for Argentina

[@hansfromcongo6322]

Surely the Chagos Islands should be given to France, given they were the first to discover the islands and found they had no inhabitants.

[@lukefleetwood7958]

What a stupid take, we may as well give it to The Andamese(India) if we are following that logic.

[@jabato9779]

Do you realize the name Diego García is Spanish? Diego García de Moguer, a Spaniard at Portugal's service.

[@Piden-l4b]

Give it to Russia. They like more land.

[@lukefleetwood7958]

@@jabato9779 Naming an island is not the same as landing , using and claiming it. We'd own most of the pacific if this was the case.

[@diegorodrigovelasquezmeniz8026]

​@@lukefleetwood7958 Spain owned.... don't little england....

[@jos9116]

Give the Isle of Man back to the Manx

[@אשרטומפסון]

The negotiations went on for 2 years. 24 months. 21 under the Tories,....

[@voteformethanks5307]

yes and took just 3 for labour to f- it up

[@mattgummerson8370]

If the majority of the liveable land will remain a base for another century (and most likely beyond), why would Mauritius want ownership and why would the locals want to live there?😂

[@tuvaaq]

Fishing and mineral rights on the seabed around it most probably.

[@SDDT24]

Probably because it’s a major coup for bejing who are their main ally

[@thalesvondasos]

@@SDDT24 Well, not anymore after the UK & US illegally expelled the Chagossians in the early 70s...

[@the_rzh]

It isn't livable in the traditional sense. The islands were unpopulated before the 1800s and the plantations were never self-sufficient. The military base is sustained by the US' ability to ship in fuel, food, and process drinking water. Mauritius will be after fishing rights and the ability to exploit any natural resources in the economic zone.

[@j2174]

Mauritius needs some money for their corrupt elites.

[@mrsupremegascon]

As a proud nationalist French, I am 100% in favor of giving independence to all our overseas territories, even if is against local whishes. It should be the same for England. Firstly, because we have no business having overseas territories. Secondly, because overseas territories are more often than not an economic burden and make our navy strech fine. Thirdly, because most people living have nothing to do with us, they have their own identity and tradition that is foreign to us. The issue is when locals don't want independence or worst, independence vs loyalist fight each others, like in New Caledonia. We keep making referendum for them, they keep saying no, and we keep paying for them. Then, if by any chance the territory become economically developed, become a major port, they find oil, etc... You will see that the first thing they will do is declare independence and call us monster colonizer in the UN. We need to give them their independence, by force if necessary.

[@lukefleetwood7958]

Decolonisation was a mistake.

[@JackDrewitt]

Mayoette has had similar UN votes as the Chagos Islands, so forcing decolonisation on them may happen

[@ParthPant25]

I agree, european thieves have no business still keeping these places.

[@kravan5063]

"Firstly, because we have no business having overseas territories." What a load of crap

[@jeongbun2386]

@@kravan5063 oh hey n@zi

[@meteorknight999]

So are they going to return the Argentinian ones soon ?

[@AiGeneratedWaluigi]

Argentina never owned the Falklands

[@Finnbobjimbob]

Never even belonged to Argentina you twit, the Falklands were British before Argentina even existed.

[@chilloutcentral2097]

Return? Argentina never owned the Falkland Islands

[@aceman0000099]

As soon as Argentina returns Hitler to Austria

[@peterfireflylund]

The UK doesn’t have any Argentinian islands. Argentina owes a big war debt to the UK, though…

[@richard1493]

Great, now give up the Malvinas.

[@stephenchappell7512]

It's nowhere near Africa being geographically part of the Indian subcontinent

[@pacolopezcampos177]

Y pronto Gibraltar...

[@PlatinumAltaria]

You can have Gibraltar when the locals vote to join Spain.

[@jeryndavelauan2453]

​@@PlatinumAltariadon't forget Spain is an EU member

[@justonecornetto80]

@@jeryndavelauan2453 So what?

[@diegorodrigovelasquezmeniz8026]

​@@justonecornetto80so he could veto whatever Country they want... Scotland will break off with the uk and little england will try to bring up the spanish veto...

[@justonecornetto80]

@@diegorodrigovelasquezmeniz8026 Scotland isn't going anywhere. Support for independence is falling because the nationalists have been exposed for the bunch of criminals they really are. Also, the UK government has made it clear that it won't issue a section 30 order allowing another referendum on the issue unless there is clear evidence of a majority in favour so any attempt to unilaterally declare independence would be regarded as treason. Spain should also take note that it has its own problems with successionist movements that the UK could quite easily meddle with so it would be extremely unwise to attempt to use Scotland as leverage.

[@BarrenBones-t2h]

I'm starting to really hate this new labour. Does anyone in the country actually agree this move is beneficial to the UK?

[@alfronzocragimo-spicerini3828]

Yes, politically this island has gotten us into very hot water. Kicking the inhabitants out of the island was considered a war crime by the UN and stole it from Mauritius. We don’t benefit from the island/s anyway the USA does because of a very controversial military base. We don’t have to deal with that anymore which is a good thing

[@ligman6468]

Nope. They're somehow still a virtue signalling party of protest.

[@Richard25000]

This was a conservative policy it's just been completed

[@Aaron-qz6pc]

No, but it was not meant to be 😂 Tldr; colonialism (& imperialism) is bad for lots of reasons. So the uk stopped. I think you could see it as a positive example of the “rules based world” and softpower for the uk. Tbh, in what way did you think they benefited?

[@andaddplus]

you should vote Reform then

[@PlatinumAltaria]

In the comments you can watch people who didn't even know these islands existed at all feign outrage at the decision which will not affect them at all and is the right thing to do.

[@jeongbun2386]

I dont think it was the right thing to do (as id want it to return to chagossian owndership) but youre not wrong 💀

[@tulliusexmisc2191]

You may think trading people like cattle is the right thing to do, but I don't, and I bet most of the other posters don't either.

[@scooby1992]

People believe what they are fed by the press .

[@dark_messiah8183]

That 99 year lease is VERY optomistic...

[@Jakob_DK]

Sounds like Greenland. Vikings were not the first, but the earlier one became extinct when the current kind of Inuit arrived and later the viking descendants became extinct. We don’t know how but the Inuit were remorseful when the next Christians arrived - or so it is claimed.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Funny how these people criticise others for not following international law, yet themselves break it

[@SDDT24]

Which country doesn’t break international law when it suits them

[@thalesvondasos]

@@SDDT24 The ones whose names don't start with "United"

[@timothybasily6134]

​@@thalesvondasoswhat did the United Arab Emirates do?

[@smalltime0]

@@SDDT24 Realpolitik. "The strong do as they will, the weak endure what they must." Realistically this is a nothing island chain that can only serve as a weak point for illegal migration.

[@thalesvondasos]

@@timothybasily6134 Just some casual human rights violations here and there