Why "The Untold Story of Pecharunt" is a Lie

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[@NekoTamer15]

I agree that this is likely Pecharunt's version of the story. It's not necessarily a lie. It's like a story told from the perspective and vocabulary of a child. Pecharunt interprets its mind control as "taming" or "making friends". Pecharunt thinks the loyal three follow it out of companionship, unaware that they are that way under its will. I think Ogerpon's confrontation started outside the village and the fight made its way into the village. After killing the loyal three within or near the village, where the masks likely got lost and picked up by the villagers, Ogerpon chased down Pecharunt to a forest outside the village. The villagers didn't spot pecharunt with it being small and thought ogerpon was retreating.

[@theknightwithabadpictotall7639]

This makes the most sense

[@baxterbruce9827]

This is kinda what I assumed, everyone's version of the story painted themselves in the best light in one way or another, with the one Kieran's grandpa telling being "Ogerpon's story" and probably the closest to the truth (Though with how long it's been, details may have been lost, it's possible this one has some stuff wrong too). Pecharunt is like a needy child with powers it doesn't completely understand, and villagers misinterpreted a conflict between a few Pokemon that was intended to not make it to the village.

[@Missingno_Miner]

This. It really seems like Pecharunt is unaware of the effects of its mochi, and doesn't realize that it's manipulating people. Like, it's not mind controlling people so much as causing people to get addicted to its mochi and then unintentionally exploiting that addiction to get what it wants, because that's how its always been treated. That's why it's portrayed as feeding the Loyal Three mochi when it gives the order to fight, it's drawn out the loyal three's greed and it needs to feed that greed to make them actually stand and fight for it despite their cowardice. It's an abuser that's simultaneously being abused by its victims, in a sense. It just wants to be loved, but because of its ability to draw out greed, it's virtually incapable of having healthy relationships, because if it feeds those it cares about its mochi, then their care for it will become conditional. But since that's all it's ever known, it doesn't see any issue with treating others, like the loyal three, the same way. Which leads to a vicious cycle of mutual abuse, relationships built more on what each party can provide the other rather than whatever genuine care may or may not exist. Perhaps the player can help it break that cycle, by showing it genuine, unconditional care, and showing it that it doesn't need to use its mochi or provide endlessly for people to care about it.

[@byzantine5761]

​@@Missingno_MinerThis is also why Pecharunt is timid yet did all of this. It was scared (because its timid, go figure) when it was woken up and tried feeding people its mochi because it was in an unfamiliar place. By feeding people its mochi, it knows that they will like it, at least, thats what it thinks. In reality, it just caused a zombie apocalypse of mochi that it thought was just people helping it out in exchange for its mochi

[@vlatkabodis6965]

I think that Ogerpon didn't kill the loyal three, due to the fact that you can catch it in the teal mask DLC. They fainted.

[@lilbonsly]

"Why didn't the old couple dance?" Dancing is not inheritly part of Pecharunt's control, it just *wanted* the Kitakami people to dance.

[@davidrozier1126]

Arven, Penny, and Nemona: Objection!

[@Sarah-yd9gt]

Maybe so that Pecharunt would know who was under its control and who wasn't. Kieran's grandfather, for instance, slipped under Pecharunt control by eating mochi when Pecharunt itself was elsewhere. It was hovering over the local convenience store and spooking Penny at the time.

[@LilyPlaysGames214]

Maybe pecharunt doesnt know that they are not from kitakamai ​@@davidrozier1126

[@flopps1051]

The Okidogi thing is wrong. The video says that Pecharunt brought along Okidogi, which it had tamed with its mochi. And earlier, it said that Pecharunt used more of its mochi to get the things the old couple wanted. So logically, Pecharunt used its mochi to tame Okidogi, who then got the things the villagers wanted. And when it was time for Pecharunt to leave, it took Okidogi with it

[@mariavalentinagarcia2722]

Yeah you can see Okidogi hands on the peach gift. I found that more noticeable than the tail

[@JaydenMatthews-gy2fq]

Actually what it said was the retainer it HAD tamed with its poison. As in past tense. Okidogi was already a retainer before the journey started they simply met the other two on their journey.

[@gmedley]

I have no idea how I watched it so many times and missed that crucial "tamed a pokemon" line (I tunnel-visioned hard on that tail cuz it just seemed so sneaky??)

[@ncisfan1002]

​@@gmedleyWell yeah, Pecharunt didn't want the old couple to know he got help

[@TheChoujinVirus]

my guess is the tail is a Greedent

[@notalawyercat]

Now Pecharunt needs to make a 45 minute apology video where it deflects blame and makes up some excuse for its multiple major lapses in judgment before taking some time off social media to "reflect".

[@gmedley]

PLEASE haha, praying for this

[@a-s-greig]

Ukulele cover: "Toxic Gossip Chain"

[@SnoFitzroy]

I need someone to make that omg...@@a-s-greig

[@guttaknight64]

@@a-s-greig”Gulping down the snacks of subjugation” 😈

[@byzantine5761]

dont forget a ukulele

[@Bee-uh2zm]

the loyal three’s “trainer” was most likely a metaphor for pecharunt considering the fact that there’s a toxic chain coming from their behind

[@dnr-vs1lk]

Pecharunt also easily could have possessed someone to act as the trainer.

[@IronPikachu724]

​@@dnr-vs1lk either that, or the locals thought that The Loyal Three had a goal set by someone, like if they were recruits of a "hero". Well they were recruited, but not by a hero, nor a villian, but by a desperate, spoiled Pokémon

[@GamingGreen21]

My thought when I remembered that piece of information was "What if they thought Ogerpon's trainer was the Loyal 3's trainer and Ogerpon killed him too"

[@rickisnothome]

@@GamingGreen21this just made me actually so angry for no reason

[@flyingstonemon3564]

​@@GamingGreen21 Wait, I thought that was what had happened, huh.

[@adrianoctavio]

I don't see the two stories as conflicting, I think they're both true. The pecharunt story doesn't portray ogerpon out to be a bad guy because pecharunt is still stealing from them in the untold story. They never said that the old couple had the masks stolen by them from ogerpon or anything. The pecharunt story is just here to give context to pecharunt, not change what happened.

[@kallyle6611]

I think that this might very much be a case of “Even Evil Has Loved Ones” in regards to Pecharunt. It isn’t as innocent as presented here, but it genuinely wanted to please the old couple. Heck, maybe the old couple were just as greedy as the Mythical from the get-go and the part of them being under the mochi’s influence is the part Pecharunt’s lying about? As for the Loyal Three, their eyes are a different color than the ones that those under Pecharunt’s control have, (the “heroes” have yellow eyes while those possessed have purple eyes), so I think that there’s a difference in the relationship between it and its retainers in comparison to the humans that have eaten its mochi. Most likely they were on the same wavelength in terms of greed, so Pecharunt decided to give them autonomy and make them retainers as opposed to brainwashed servants as a sign of trust.

[@gmedley]

Fair point I did wonder about the loyal 3 not having the typical possessed eyes.

[@F1areon]

Honestly I never understood why people went "oh the Loyal Three were being mind-controlled all along!!"; my interpretation was that they *willingly* signed on w/ Pecharunt bc it made their wishes come true @@gmedley

[@massimilianoreali4398]

​@@F1areonexactly it was also stated in the game that they wished to become smarter/stronger/more beutyful from the start

[@vlatkabodis6965]

@@massimilianoreali4398That's true!

[@brettpalmer1770]

I don't think Ogerpon winning is that surprising. The relationship she had with her trainer seems be like that of Lets Go Pikachu. Likely being able to hang in there much longer then normal. It is similar to when you catch it and Ogerpon is able to hang in there for four rounds.

[@gmedley]

Anime emotional outburst buff indeed (no I'm sure that's what we're supposed to assume, or their level difference is just that big type doesn't matter)

[@lipika2841]

Ogrepon does learn coverage moves like Zen Headbutt & Stomping Tantrum to hit them super effectively, but it shouldn't be able to survive Poison moves coming from the other 2 when it's their turn to attack unless they didn't had a Poison attack in their moveset at the time. We saw it beating Pecharunt w its cudgel however, so it wasn't any other move.

[@IronPikachu724]

​@@gmedleyshe might have needed that emotion to be able to recover her masks after the Loyal Three's revival, she probably was just so lonely that she just cowardly stood back since she knew that she was vulnerable at the time.

[@byzantine5761]

I think the reason is that Ogerpon, whose only mask was the Teal Mask (which increases speed when she "Embodys Aspect" (aka the ablilty she gets when terastalizing)) at the time, was just so speedy that she could beat all of them up before they could react. Knock out the frail Munkidori so they can't predict her moves, beat up the other two before they can get the better of her, and then finish off the ringleader, Pecharunt. The animation showed Ogerpon as a blur so its likely that she was just so inherently fast (especially with her ANGER and urge for vengeance for her beloved friend (her only one, because she is lonely by nature) and masks) that they couldn't hold a candle to her

[@brettpalmer1770]

A long comment, but it is a theory I been thinking on. I think it is possible that the loyal three weren't poison types at the time and got that type during revival. Pecharunt is likely a unreliable narrator since he was depicted as a trainer in the art work of the sign and people never mentioned a forth Pokemon in the story. The pokemon's powers seems to work very differently from what we saw and what we were told. It is also convenient that the only people who could have back Pecharunt's story was an elderly couple who lived long ago and far away. Pecharunt is a ghost type as well, in case you were wondering what happened to that young trainer. The toxic chains I think were representing the town idealizing what were at least muggers and worst murders. The chains are also similar the knitted covering that the town put on those statues representing the loyal three. The Pokedex also said that the chains changed the other type of this pokemon which I think also completes the metaphor. The dog represents a toxic hero (poison fighting), the bird represents a toxic myth (poison fairy), the monkey represents a toxic mindset (poison physic). I think that they were likely route one pokemon first when the kid came to town to try and take those masks for himself. I also think it is no coincidence that the pokemon came into existence once the old narrative was being challenged, the spirit of that young trainer was probably resting peacefully when the locals perceive them and his pokemon to be a heroes. However, when the locals learned that wasn't true the ghost tried to take over the town. Anyway that is what I now think is what happened.

[@EcnavMC]

Argument for the Okidogi point: The narrator said that Pecharunt, when it set out, brought Okidogi, who it *had* tamed. Past tense. So Okidogi was already tamed before he left the village.

[@Oceane1803]

Yeah I think that Pecharunt is a pretty tragic character. He loves the old couple but, being under his control, the real old couple was already long gone when Pecharunt left for Kitakami. The Loyal Three are also under its control, and it seems to care a lot about them, but their friendship is fake, which is sad. But I guess they could also be interpreted as them only being given the toxic chain, not controlled by mochi at all, and they really are its friends. It could have been nice if the Loyal Three wouldn't be catchable until you're done with the epilogue, as they would intervene in the Pecharunt fight, either by its side... or by ours, trying to help their friend come to its senses and stop this madness. Also I think that people don't have to do the chicken dance when possessed by Pecharunt, but he makes them dance in the Epilogue because, despite being dangerous, he's also a goofy little prankster and finds it funny (because it is kinda funny).

[@gmedley]

Saving the loyal three for that final battle would've been so cool what a good idea

[@Oceane1803]

@@gmedley I don't feel like saving them would be the right thing to do if they're really his friends. I'm working on an AU where the main difference is we tell the truth to Kieran, which causes Carmine to become the antagonist instead. But also the Loyal Three would intervene in the Pecharunt fight, as Carmine caught it and would start going crazy with her overcontrolling behavior, making everyone possessed, and they want to free their friend/master from her.

[@heartivore]

​@@Oceane1803i would love to hear more about your au tbh 👀

[@Oceane1803]

@@heartivore Oh thanks. So when we see Ogerpon but she rans away without her mask, we don't pay attention to Carmine and tell Kieran. He wants to go see the Ogre. So we accompany him, and though she's reluctant at first, Carmine catches up with us. But Ogerpon is nowhere to be seen. We have her mask, but just like in the cutscene before, she seems to be specifically scared of Carmine. We don't find Ogerpon anywhere and decide to go back. Kieran can't even be disappointed that they didn't see her this time. He's too excited over the fact that she actually exists. The next day, we show the mask to Kieran's grandfather who tells us the true story. But this time Kieran is here too, which makes Carmine mad. After that, we go find the last signboard with him. The next day, we go with Kieran to the crystal pool to fix the mask. But when we're back, we learn that Carmine stole the mask. We catch up to her and she expresses her anger that Kieran spends all of his time with us and ignore her completely. Kieran, who's a bit more confident thanks to having our support, stands up to her and tells her that he's tired of her behavior and doesn't want her to control his life anymore, which makes her even more mad. She stole the mask in an attempt to give it back to Ogerpon, become her friend, and with the Ogre by her side, have Kieran come back to her. She proposes a battle and the winner gets the mask. Of course we win, she punches the Loyal Three's shrine and leaves. The Loyal Three come back to life, Carmine comes back, we defeat the Loyal Three with Kieran and while she tells the villagers the true story of Ogerpon. Though Ogerpon is still scared of her. Once we bring Ogerpon back to her cave, she wants to come with us and Kieran is fine with it since we didn't break his trust in this version of the events, so he knows we'll be a good trainer for her. Carmine though she's having none of it. She blames us and Ogerpon for taking Kieran away from her, and she decides to oppose us to know who will catch Ogerpon, following her original plan of having Ogerpon by her side to have Kieran come back to her. But we beat her. In the ending cutscene, she's the one promising she'll get revenge and tying her hair up. In the Indigo Disk, Kieran is the one welcoming us, while she's the one who defeated the BB Academy Elite 4 and turned it into a toxic environment. Kieran asks us to stop her because he's not strong enough to do so, and scared of her. We reach the Champion fight and defeat her, and when Drayton comes to be sassy, she punches him in the face. It didn't help at all and her rage reaches new heights. Then she hears about Terapagos from Briar, and we all go to Area Zero. She catches Terapagos, it becomes uncontrollable and after we save her life from Terapagos, she realizes her mistake. Instead of feeling useless like Kieran, she gets mad... but at herself this time. When it's over, it seems that she finally calms down, but just like in the original story, she never apologizes for what she's done. In Mochi Mayhem, she invites us to Kitakami with Arven, Penny and Nemona. But clearly something's wrong, as Kieran is dancing and saying Mochi mochi. Carmine has no idea why he does that. But besides that, everything is fine until Nemona disappears and the whole town is dancing weirdly. Carmine and us are about to catch up with Nemona, but Arven and Penny need help so we go back, which upsets Carmine who wants to keep going. Carmine and us defeat possessed Arven and Penny and, as Pecharunt escapes, Carmine follows after it saying "What do you think you're doing ?" We follow after her and reach where Nemona is. But the whole town of possessed people followed us and we're trapped. That's when Carmine reveals that she's the one behind it all. Nobody likes her. Everyone thinks she's a nuisance and the one person she had left, Kieran, left her because of us. In her eyes at least because the reason he left her is because she's toxic and overcontrolling, which is why she's makes a good pair with Pecharunt who is a poison type and can control people. So she controlled everyone, starting with Kieran, and set up this trap to get revenge on us. We're alone and surrounded by all the townfolks. We can't do anything. That's when the Loyal Three appear. They want to free their master/friend, but they can't beat Nemona, nor Carmine on their own. So they hold off the townfolks while we beat Nemona and Carmine with Pecharunt. Once it's done, Carmine finally apologizes and understands all of her mistakes, as after we beat her and free Pecharunt, she explains her emotions and we tell her that she can't control people and that she needs to work on herself if she wants to be liked. Pecharunt is still upset of being caught by her and makes her dance for a bit. After that, it's really over.

[@FF-tp7qs]

I kind of take it as Pecharunt having the mentality if a child, it's not evil just selfish and bratty.

[@lavender317]

Honestly, as much as I do love the chicken dance, if not for that goofiness then Pecharunt's whole thing has a very horror-esque undertone

[@kopfloserbeginn3879]

Reminds me of the dancing plague, Carmine did dance herself into exhaustion

[@lavender317]

@@kopfloserbeginn3879 that and the fact that it literally turns people into mindless slaves

[@kopfloserbeginn3879]

@@lavender317 Pecharunts abilities and actions turn more horrid the more someone thinks about it

[@sky-soldier-gaming7102]

The night of the mochizombies

[@nightowl7261]

The Kitakami version and the Untold story are just both legends. Legends told from one generation to the next. It's not gonna be 100% accurate. But it's based on truth.

[@snintendog]

There is two Kitkami legends the Unknown Villagers, and the man that knows the truth. In both the loyal 3 were defeated in town thus why the villagers held them in high regard. Pecharunts tale says they were deafeated in the dead of nigh attacked out of the blue in the forest far from town. Inklinges of truth always drip down and tear apart lies.

[@byzantine5761]

its perhaps not based entirely on the truth, but its not a lie either, but rather a matter of perspective, translation over time, and bias. obviously some things are consistent in both stories; the loyal three are absolutely washed, the loyal three showed up at some point, and ogerpon started the fight (im specifying FIGHT. pecharunt started the quarrel but ogerpon was the one who went in cudgels swinging), but elsewise everything else is just how a certain narrator or lineage saw it, interpreted, and mistranslated it

[@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv]

Ogrepon's human friend is heavily implied to have died. Even going to into the cave that Ogrepon stayed in, you can find a prominent dark stain on the ground exactly where the story showcased he "fell". There is an online side by side on pointing this out.

[@LRV0]

I mean, I think pecharunt was young and weaker than he is in the games, the narrator says the power only influences people’s greed at that time and at max could tame a wild pokemon(which are irrational animals). Maybe during the time skip he developed his powers to the point of mind control, and even that isn’t perfect, as nemona, arven and peony have at least some kind of control over their speech and body

[@calebjones7868]

I heard an Idea that while sleeping/recovering inside it's shell the Toxins that are apart of Peacharunts Mochi got highly concentrated and refined and that's why Peacharunt has more control over People in the game but not hundreds of years ago cause the Poison inside it's Mochi now-a-days is more Potent than it was when it them to the Old people

[@nemesisalex9424]

According to the story, it was resting for all those years inside it's shell, so i don't think that's the case. If anything, it should have been starving after hibernating for so long.

[@skullguy4863]

He probably eats his own mochi​@@nemesisalex9424

[@Kyumifun]

​@@skullguy4863it might as well be immortal like Ogerpon is.

[@LRV0]

@@nemesisalex9424 maybe his toxins became more concentrated after all this time being alive, that’s why he is much stronger

[@big_axolotl_]

It is stated in the video that Okidogi was made a retainer before Pecharunts Journey

[@gmedley]

I have no idea how I watched it so many times and missed the "tamed a pokemon" line haha! (so I guess they just hid him because they wanted to save the "introduction" shot for later)

[@user-vu4wm4ml7z]

you see his tail when he gets the mythical pecha berry

[@SnoFitzroy]

I personally think this is a scenario of "there are three sides that have different perspectives" and this youtube story is just Pecharunt's version of the events. We hear the People's version and Ogerpon's version in-game, and the TPC video is Pecharunt's side. Maybe all of them are a little bit wrong, and we need to sort of remix them together and be willing to throw away certain details to get the fully accurate picture.

[@snintendog]

We do have something interesting still untouched. THE Cursed Treasure Pokemon. The Unknown kingdom Isn't Kitakami It isnt any region we know of yet. It was also using Greed to control the king of Paldea. While the Area Zero Expeditions ruined the king financially the Disaster Treasures were ruining the Region externally. There is also one last thing. Who sealed all of them. Pecharunt was definitely in a sealed state along with the loyal 3 and the 4 Disasters. It was a wandering trainer.. There is also the Fact Ogrepon would be Truly ancient. Was she Sealed along side the others only to awaken should the Loyal 3 awaken again? The 4 masks also share the Disaster pokemon typings and minor resemblance to them. There was also the cursed gift of an invasive species like bamboo to Paldea from this same unnamed far off region That brings it all together. The final one is the Tera Crystals Are somehow linked to all of this Again. The masks are made of them the far off country if Pecharunts tale is to hold an inkling of truth means this far of country had at the very least the Knowledge of these crystals and desired anything of them. It seems in the Modern line Crystals are the Key to the lore still. From Megas to Z moves, Dynamaxing to Teras, All controlled by essentially more crystals. Now we have Terapagos and the empty plot there still. We still have no idea if Terapagos is a wish maker or reality bender we do know one thing it can make closed time loops. The Secret of Area Zero is still kicking and Lore still untouched. A: Who is this Evil Country. B: Who sealed all of the Legendaries. C: How did Kieren Break the Seal. D: How does the PC break the seals of the 4 Disasters. E: The Time machine's True Nature and how Terapagos isnt powering it directly. F: The Indigo Disk is an OOpart along with the entire area Terapagos was sealed. G: Who Sealed Terapagos. And once again why did kieren being there break it?

[@gmedley]

Fascinating breakdown of more dangling threads thanks for sharing!

[@rexbot2749]

By disaster pokemon do you mean the 4 dark types wo chien, chien pao, ting lu, and chi yu? Because I thought that chien pao and ting lu were ice and ground not water and rock.

[@snintendog]

@@rexbot2749 That is true and the elements dont line up Exactly but they are sub elements of those main ones. And to be Honest with how GF works they nerfed the masks by giving them water and Rock instead of Ground and Ice... As it is Fire mask is Meta Breaking already Ice would destroy OU and Ground would have annihilated OU Guaranteeing Ogrepon a spot on all teams no matter what as a Wild card and essentially only contend with Judgment + Plate Arceus in UBER.

[@davidmandel8960]

You just gave me an idea: the one that lost to the loyal three was ogerpon, not the trainer, then the trainer beat all of them and sealed them and ogerpon, making all of them recover from their injuries. Some proof of this would be ogerpon's age and the fact that the teal mask was always on the man's possession.

[@snintendog]

@@davidmandel8960 This makes it sadder for ogrepon but it is more realistic with how we see her struggle with the three in game.

[@sunla]

I felt like the witnesses of Ogerpon's wrath were easily explainable as we got more info. We know her trainer died in the cave. We also were told in the game to my recollection that the village people talked about it in a way that sounded like it was a chase. It was messy, she chased them down and attacked them with all her might, and it makes sense that they would flee to the village because they probably sought protection from the people of the village. The irony is, the village people were just as paralyzed and scared. What were they supposed to do? When they came running toward town, following them came Ogerpon in a fit of rage. She came crashing through, and the bystanders could have easily thought Ogerpon was an aggressive monster. Since she stopped attacking and left with their demise, the village people must've thought they staved off the ogre. To them, they protected the village. That seems to be the narrative.

[@Pr1ncet0n]

Game Freak really using these paradoxes to their full extent

[@gmedley]

HAHA oh god yeah I didnt consider this could be actualy very deliberate to fit the theme of the main games

[@IronPikachu724]

The story of Ogerpon didn't specifically say that it happened in the center of the village, it could have happened close enough to it that the residents took notice, and just antagonized the ogre in the process. I have a feeling since the story was from long ago that the fight took place on "Apple Hill" since it is not only close to the villiage, but also an open feild with small trees, saying that they were there for I'm geussing 12 years. It also explained how Pecharunt was able to roll on down to eventually be found by Peachy. And just to clarify, "Long time" probably is ment by about 50 years, since I believe the story was said to be passed down by generation, and we dont really know the average life span of humans in the world of Pokémon.

[@veronikamajerova4564]

Yeah, but there is also the possibility that after Pecharunt got knocked out, the Loyal Three and Ogerpon got into the village during their fight, and they were seen fighting by people there.

[@tranatkikomi6873]

Kieran mentions that his grandfather’s many times great-grandfather was a mask maker and that the job had been passed down for several generations. So the story could have started that far back or sometime over the last couple hundred years. Depending on the era they want to base it on, keeping in mind Japan was locked to outside trade meaning no foreigners for a long time since this is a Japanese-based region.

[@Woo-Dio]

Loved the video! I was very skeptic after seeing the short story, like it didn’t line up with what the Teal Mask and Mochi Mayhem presented. And seeing everyone online not questioning it made me really confused, like, why were these old people not fully under Pecharunt’s control but everyone else just turns into a chicken?? If Ogerpon did fight the quartet in the middle of nowhere why would the Loyal 3 be seen as heroes and Ogerpon as a wrathful ogre? Generally this felt really weird to me, and until proven otherwise my headcanon is that Pecharunt IS INDEED trying to make himself look good by controlling Pokémon’s socials (I mean cmon now, that MOCHI MOCHI seems to basically confirm it).

[@DrawciaGleam02]

I wondered about the difference between the old couple and everyone in the epilouge as well!

[@Woo-Dio]

Yeah it’s pretty evident that something doesn’t add up. I don’t necessarily think that Pecharunt is “evil” evil, but I do see him as a sort of toxic/bratty “person”. To me he just wants to be liked and so manipulates people and pokemon alike into doing so, not caring about anybody but himself and lying about what truly happened with Ogerpon, at least that’s how I see it. I mean his ability is literally “poison PUPPETEER” if that’s not a sign of a manipulative individual I don’t know what is.

[@gmedley]

Thinking more on it too, Pecharunt forcing the chicken dance in modern day (as opposed to way back when with the old couple) could be explained as it being very social media savvy and aware of modern treads (aka what better way to get ppls attention on the internet than a viral tiktok dance meme 😅but also the chicken dance is very....old? so it comes across as out of touch too, like he's trying too hard to be liked and fit in maybe)

[@Woo-Dio]

Haha that does make a lot of sense and it’s also quite hilarious to think about. Approved!

[@Erifire]

Something I noticed is that when you can see the village in the background, the color of the light is more of an orange color rather than a yellow color most town lights have. Probably a metaphor for Pecharunt's oblivious nature to the destruction it causes around it.

[@Sarah-yd9gt]

In Pecharunt's story, it feels it needs Fezandipiti for Fezandipiti's pheromones, supposedly to control people and pokemon who avoided eating the mochi. The narrator describes what Pecharunt feels it needs from each of its "retainers." In my mind, Pecharunt isn't "lying." Pecharunt's goal is to feel safe. Everything it does advances the goal of making it FEEL safe and secure. This underlying motivation can be true even if Pecharunt is doing awful things that--in reality---make it less safe rather than more safe. The presence of the Teal Mask revived the loyal three. The only other time we've seen a pokemon revived like that was AZ's floette. Many people and pokemon in the pokemon universe die and stay dead. In Pokemon XY, the revival machine that later became the ultimate weapon is depicted as being made of crystal. According to Kieran's grandfather, Ogerpon's original trainer brought the crystals that were incorporated into the masks from a faraway land. What if those crystals were the same material used to revive pokemon in ancient Kalos? It doesn't make sense why Pecharunt would still be trying to get the masks as stated at the very end of its story unless Pecharunt had a way to revive the couple. Pecharunt wants the crystals on the masks to revive and then to keep the old couple alive forever in the same manner that AZ has been alive for 3,000 years. As for the location of the final fight between Pecharunt and Ogerpon, it would make sense that history was repeating itself. The original fight took place at loyalty plaza. All of the townspeople were ordered there by Pecharunt just like in the Epilogue. Pecharunt chose the village's most powerful trainer just like it chose Nemona. Ogerpon punted Pecharunt really far away during their battle and forced it to withdraw into its shell. This broke Pecharunt's control over the townspeople. The townspeople woke up at Loyalty Plaza without any knowledge of what was going on. They made up a story that made sense to them based on what they could see around them.

[@Tortaleaney]

I think something that kinda clarifies Pecharunt isn't purely evil is its little love heart shaped hands. They are very small and hard to see but it kinda shows on the outside it's seen as evil but deep down it deosn't have any ill intentions and just wants to be loved. And I guess thats why it wanted to mind control the pokemon social media account to disprove the allegations. But thats just my theory of course it might not be the case.

[@FF-tp7qs]

Pecharunt making people dance doesn't make it feel evil, it feels kind of goofy, like Pecharunt is a bratty kid who doesn't know right from wrong.

[@legobeylov7470]

There is one thing though the trainer, like in the story told by the narrator,did perish in that cave. You can see a very mysterious stain on the floor of ogerpons cave whicg lines up with pecherunts story

[@redgamer2754]

For the chicken dance, I just like to think Pecharunt was just fucking with everyone. I mean, what's the most embarrasing thing that could happen in an average pokémon players mind? Acting like a chicken!

[@dorkenspache8353]

Okay, there are a few issues with your reasoning: You already got the thing about Okidogi in your comments so I won't repeat that I don't get the point of the scenery in the fight scene, because the way back from the hideout goes down Oni Mountain into a little grassy area before Kitakami Hall, so it could've been right there and some villagers happened to see it from off in the distance, then causing a panic about a raging ogre. The "no chicken dance" thing with the old couple could be for a number of reasons. Remember, they stop doing the chicken dance when in battle and even Nemona, Penny, and Arven are able to say things while possessed, Nemona moreso. Also I should point out Nemona actually does corroborate the Untold Story side of things because from very early on in our trip to Kitakami she gets possessed by Pecharunt, and in that time goes off and catches a Kommo-o and Ribombee/Feebas/Dusknoir. And this would've had to have happened during her possession since there is no other point in time she would've been able to do that before possession since all she did was walk from the community center to Peachy's shop. And with her desire to constantly get stronger, it would only make sense for Pecharunt's mochi to bring out that desire in her and she then finds and seeks out stronger Pokemon. Also as for why this was even given to us outside of the game, because that is what they do for all of the mythical Pokemon (minus maybe Arceus and some of the other Gen 4 mythicals). Every mythical before got a movie, but I think for something like Pecharunt having it be this short video works so much better since it is meant to be Pokemon's version of the Legend of Momotaro. And as well I don't think this is a situation where either side of events has to be right or wrong. Like it makes sense for Pecharunt to go on the defensive with the Loyal Three because Ogerpon initiated the attack in their view, but for Ogerpon, it makes sense it would go and attack the Pokemon that ransacked its home and stole its masks. I don't think there are really any plot holes left from either version of events, it is more explaining why the events went down the way they did better because we now have the perspective of both sides

[@ExcorcistBagel]

I personally just can’t wait for the mystery dungeon game with Pecharunt being a smaller antagonist along with his total goon squad of the loyal three just like Team Skull in Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky

[@Blizzasheer]

i have a feeling that the narrator or the pokemon its self is being taken over by Pecharunt i would love to see more on this

[@gmedley]

we'll see if they keep up their current tread of mochi posting! (def gonna have a sharp eye out for Pokemon day too)

[@lilharm]

most of the villagers don’t know anything about what happened, they especially didn’t know about Pecharunt (since, from it’s story, Ogrepon hit it into the woods seemingly before the villagers arrived), but they did know the loyal 3 were organized more than 3 different species of wild Pokemon normally are, and probably assumed they had a trainer

[@ryanphan6134]

The mythical peach item you get from the mystery gift is likely a reference to one of the gifts Pecharunt gave to the old couple. Upon seeing such a high quality berry that it reawakened from the memories. Fruits at high quality are also insanely expensive at Japan, and they’re often used as gifts to people.

[@danielmancaniello2408]

I definitely find the fact that there was no mention of the loyal there's wishes being granted because all the dex entries talk about the toxic chain like a sort of key to getting a wish

[@madnessarcade7447]

The story we were told was supposed to be framed as a red herring because the characters didn’t have the full context The untold story is the rest of the context

[@CodeTheFox]

I literally told a friend this the other day, and here you are saying the exact same thing!

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Pechurant just made steel types even more useful in OU and Ubers, lol. So far, I've not lost to a single team where someone has used Pechurant. Once ppl realise how awful it actually is competitively, it'll fall into RU or NU probably.

[@SnoFitzroy]

it's a better gengar though

[@Sarah-yd9gt]

As a casual player, I've always wanted Imprison to do something useful. I've waited for many generations...too many generations. I'd like them to test this set on Pecharunt: Malignant Chain, Recover (or Protect if more annoying), Imprison, and Tera Blast. Tera Blast being the move that is anticipated to be the primary attacking move. With its stats, there must be a way to make Pecharunt extra annoying. Someone just has to find it.

[@dragonfiresbirbs5819]

Ogerpon can relearn Retaliate, that move is like extra strong if a party member faints so maybe she knew that move and used it, imagine the strength of this move when a “party member” in the form of her trainer just *DIES*

[@tempertenchi]

I feel bad for all of them. Pecharunt, Okidogi, Munkidori, Fezandipity, Ogerpon. and the charcter I feel the most sympathy for is Kieran. and I've honestly never felt this emotionally intrigued by any pokemon characters before despite having been playing pokemon for basically my entire life. (since gen 1) oh and added note about the "maybe they are hinting THEY are being controlled by pecharunt" which actually would be a hilarious adorable way to interact with the gamers/audience considering Pecharunt's data on their site says it acts child like to gain sympathy. and its clearly capable of influencing as well as possesion. I dont think Kieran being INFLUENCED by this pokemon is off the table, just cleary was not full on possesed. (and as someone who was beliving that theory I thought the mochi scene was hilarious lol)

[@wondermanp15]

I think Okidogi was tamed to get the old couple their gifts, and later when Pecharunt goes off on its adventure, it says “which it had tamed with its mochi”, it’s talking about the past tense, like it was already tamed. So, for me, the story didn’t sound out of order, or wrong.

[@lunamoth105]

in my opinion, where loyal tree and ogrepon fight is around starecases around ogre oustin' thing, and main light here are a bit away from where they prop fought so this could make effect of being far away while it wasn't

[@leosis7084]

So if we were to think that peacharunt came from a distant land, and the video says the tale has never been told in the land of kitakami..... does that mean this tale is being told in another distant land?...

[@F1areon]

It's probably "never been told" bc nobody in Kitakami knows it, especially since the old couple that owned Pecharunt was childless and thus probably has no descendants who could provide more answers.

[@SnoFitzroy]

"peacharunt" bro the correct spelling is literally in the video title...

[@leosis7084]

@@SnoFitzroy Okay? You understood what I was talking about. So the point got across just fine. Is it that big of a deal? People have been making fun of grammar Nazis for over 25 years. You really decided that you had to be one?

[@VelvetIcematoro]

I believe it's entirely possible that their relationship is not that of Puppeteer and Puppets, but that of servants following out of gratitude. In Kitakami, when you get to give chase to all 3, their mission data seems to imply these 3 used to be normal Pokémon but were then given power by their master so that they may achieve their dreams. Okidogi desired Strength, Monkidori Intellect and Fezandipiti Beauty, traits that they acquired by being infused with Pecharunt's Toxic Chains. Notice how they all became Poison Types, effectively meaning they can never be poisoned, and as such, cannot be affected by Pecharunt's Ability in any normal scenario, the ability that's literally called "Poison Puppeteer" This would also explain why Pecharunt doesn't even try to manipulate them during his fight, either he can't or he won't, but will nonetheless let out a cry in distress (considering it's the same for all 3, it might be something along the lines of "You Traitor" or "How could you?"), maybe out of Rage or Sadness..

[@23Raind]

That's the issue, they're wish was granted with chains. The loyal 3 were bound to pechurant, it doesn't need to manipulate them with poison or mochi because that poison has infused their being. When crying out, ot likely is something like "you traitor", but not because Pechurant couldn't manipulate them, but instead because it can't anymore (power of friendship and all that). Each method of control works differently. Poison puppeteer involves eating no mochi, and causes the target to become disoriented, not controlled, or hypnotized. The mochi feeding creates low functioning puppets. They do what Pechurant wants, but they can't do much because their cognitive functions are seemingly reduced. The toxic chain is the most advanced form, but also allows the bound creature to remain mentally high functioning and independent. Instead of direct mind control, it's more like selling your soul to the devil. Presumably after dying in service to Pechurant, they "paid their debt" and didn't have to follow orders. Obviously the developers aren't giving us enough info to make that claim definitively, but each way of Pechurant using its poison and ghostly power creates a different degree of influence.

[@artificeisaac2]

in ogerpons cave in the game you can see a spot on the floor thats darker than the rest presumably where ogerpons trainer perishes because it matches up pretty well in from where he lays in "the untold story of pecharunt."

[@Keplok79]

Carmine has a conversation after you complete the epilogue, where she talks about Pecharunt and then mentiones something about “I guess it will always be a mystery”

[@bynectohd5749]

In ogerpon's cave there is a differently colored spot in the middle of the cave that looks like the exact location where ogerpon's owner died in the untold story and the loyal 3 coudnt have been controled by pecharunt since during the main dlc they were trying to steal the masks while pecharunt was "hibernating" so it coudnt control them, the biggest hint that they arent controled is that after they get the masks they divide wich wouldnt make sense for battle as they would be stronger together but it would make sense if they were trying to search for pecharunt to give it the masks wich they woudnt need to do if they were controled as pecharunt would make them go to It's location directly

[@JaydenMatthews-gy2fq]

I can fill in some gaps, when the narrator showed full body of okidogi the "has" he said as in "The retainer it had tamed with its poison." I believe it means had in past tense. The old couple not ding the chicken dance could be that over the years while Pecharunt was sleeping its poison became more potent, and the only way the victims of the mochi would be if they had a way to constantly "evaporate" the deadly toxins. The only thing I find suspicious from the story is that it says Munkidori had the power to see into the future and be smart and that before Pecharunt made it a retainer, same with Fezandipiti being beautiful at their encounter.

[@CountShaman]

Pokeemon going the ARG route is not what I expected, but I'm very much welcoming it.

[@anonymousmonkey9491]

You know, on a side note, I always wondered about the conflict between this story and the pokedex entry: the story suggests pecharunt recruited the loyal 3 for their abilities, whereas the pokedex states that pecharunt gave them their abilities...

[@slywhemwick8071]

Honestly, as you said with ‘truth being forgotten but main points stay’ I have a feeling we’re dealing with a ‘your side, my side and the truth story’ with both stories. There probably is truth in both tales but… washed in a way that makes them the heros

[@loselot6044]

If you go to the cave in the spot where Ogrepon's trainer died in the "untold story" video there's a dark spot, which could very likely be a hint towards the fact that they died or bled out

[@nickynegron3515]

Go to the Cursed Den after playing the epilogue the spot where Ogerpons previous trainer died protecting the TM os a burned spot od earth now

[@gmedley]

Wait was that really not there before the epilogue was released??

[@nickynegron3515]

@gmedley I didn't personally look but several other PokéTubers brought it up with before and after pics so I can only assume they weren't myself lmfao

[@umbrellacrossing5064]

What’s even weirder is that the Pokédex also says that they did not originally look the way they are today, and that they wished for it or something and implies that the toxic chains are fulfilling these wishes

[@dalspin7761]

What I think happened is: Loyal 3 got into the town, but Ogerpon hunted them into the Timeless Woods, or challenged them into a battle there. What they didn’t know, was that there was already another Pokémon from another region in said forest…

[@Zora.pk76]

My reasoning of why the poisonous mochi affects people differently is its intentions its intentions maybe it can enhance a fire or toxify the mochi because as you see ya the loyal 3 are eating the mochi but they don't look under its control like the trainers my theory is that after being dormant or after us you know having that mystical buried with us it made it while the Pokemon a bit more bitter so it's mochi is in hand side because of its feelings

[@Duskaria]

Also note how Pecharunt's story says the Loyal Three just "defended" themselves out of necessity, when it's pretty obvious they killed Ogerpon's partner when he tried to defend the masks.

[@sirmrman1]

bruh why would they lie about their own lore 💀 💀 💀 💀

[@kopfloserbeginn3879]

It is fitting since peacharunt drugs and manipulates others. Why not fuck with the audience their smart enough to figure it out, it's funnier that way

[@Just_Shaun]

Unrelated on that last point about the Pokémon Movies… what actually happened to the movies… if I’m not mistaken the last one released was 3 years ago. It seems weird.

[@melsbacksfriend]

I think the lights are Kitakami hall, not Mossui town.

[@Soul_Raven07]

Apperently in anime and now in the games, type advantage is meaningless in some situations. One recent example was in the Indigo disk, where 2 npcs are talking about how they’re confused to how Lacey loses to Drayton despite her having the type advantage (Lacey being fairy and Drayton being Dragons). I know some people are gonna say it cause he might not have terastalized Archualadon, but knowing that the characters immediately terastalize their ace pokemon immediately, you would think that Lacey probably would have seen that coming with Drayton doing that to his ace, getting rid of the resistance of archualadon had

[@23Raind]

It's called better training, and coverage moves. When people act like type advantages are what determines the outcome, you know they are the scrubbiest of scrubs. Archaludon even when terrastalized still has steel type moves, and neutral moves. So long as Drayton isn't dumb enough to only use pointless moves, he can win. Remember, Archaludon's signature move is an electric type move, not dragon or steel.

[@shroobfan101saccount4]

Honestly, I interpreted Pecharunt's story more as it not fully understanding its own abilities until after reawakening. It knew how to make mochi, but didn’t realize its mochi had toxic, corruptive effects on those who consumed it. Thus, it didn't realize that it was why the old couple went greedy, and just kept trying to do what they wanted of it because they were family. It used the mochi on the Loyal Three because it wanted to make friends because of its isolation/concern for its task, and it was likely here that it learned its mochi could "help" others (though it likely didn't understand the "control" part yet). It also probably didn't intend murder, it just wanted to make its greed-corrupted adoptive family happy. But we know how that ended. Upon reawakening, this was likely when it realized the full extent of its abilities and started using them maliciously - it's like an angry child lashing out at the world that took everything from it when all it wanted was to help its (now toxic) adoptive family, not understanding that everything that transpired was directly its own fault. Doesn't excuse the whole murder thing nor its actions upon reawakening in the slightest though, but at that point it and the Loyal Three are caught so as to have someone keep an eye on them (and possibly actually give the group some therapy, because lord knows they need it almost as much as Ogerpon does). TL:DR, Pecharunt wasn't necessarily evil from the start IMO, but it definitely became sour because it couldn't understand what it was doing was wrong until it got angry with everything around it.

[@arisjimenez2203]

The fact that the trainer silhouette looks like buff petter griffin

[@Noah49256]

5:33 Dude it's a f*cking legend, don't you know that stories just change and things get added while getting passed down from generation to generation.

[@ashemabahumat4173]

Pecharunt's untold story being canon isn't that crazy, the story still tells us he's a manipulative monster that values validation more than anything else. He forces it outta others, and but doesn't paint Ogerpon in a villanous way but merely antagonistic. But rather, the way the story is told makes it seem like the storyteller knows what he did was wrong on every level, but was just embellishing it for the sake of, well, the story or because its from Pecharunt's viewpoint specifically.

[@rexbot2749]

How did ogrepon defeat the loyal three plus pecharunt? Well. Gf has shown in multiple, and I mean multiple scenarios that type matchups are not the only deciding factor in winning a pokemon battle. (Shown in anime a lot, super mystery dungeon talks about it with build and mawile in the fire dungeon, etc). Then people might ask so why did it lose in the rematch? Multiple reasons..it probably got weaker over time since it wasn't fighting, or it was probably caught off guard like how ogrepon was shown to catch the poison quad off guard on the animation. Emotion also plays into the factor as ogrepon was fueled by anger in round 1 while in round 2 there's a lot more confusion. It might not be a perfect explanation, but I do feel like people need to stop looking at type match ups as the sole decider on whether something wins or not. (you wouldn't say Caterpie solos Mewtwo because bug beats psychic)

[@Lewdow22]

A GAME THEORY!!!! Thanks for watching

[@Neos4500]

I noticed the thing about the location of the fight, too. If that was the case, it would make no sense for the villagers to have the masks.

[@gmedley]

Right? Why wouldn't Ogrepon just take the masks if it won and had plenty of time?

[@Neos4500]

@@gmedley Exactly. Unless, since this is from Pecharunts perspective, something happened after it was knocked out. Like, some villagers appeared for whatever reason and Ogerpon ran away without the masks. So they took them and over the years crafted the story of the Loyal Three.

[@black-redpill3]

You forgot to mention something in this video. Pecharunt is known by the people of Kitakami, they just don't know it. In the Paradise Barrens sign for the story that explains the reason why people wear masks outside of the mask festival, the very last line is a clue towards Pecharunt as it states when it sees a person's face their soul is forfeit. With that context in mind, Ogerpon likely did meet Pecharunt and co in the forest. It's just those mochi Pecharunt ejected were to capture humans to help Pecharunt against Ogerpon. Since they would not remember what happened while under the control of the mochi, all they would see after coming back to consciousness is a raging Ogerpon, going blank and then the 3 ded mons that had clearly fought her and lost as she is returning to the mountain. Pecharunt was always in Kitakami and both stories left too much out, but the combination of all 3 pieces between Kitakami lore, mask maker lore and Pecharunt lore fill in the gaps to the ordeal.

[@SnoFitzroy]

*Kitakami the name is using japanese phonotactics, the E on the end in your version would have it pronounced "kitakamay"

[@Mynameishassan0]

I think the loyal three needed to constantly be given Mochi so they’d listen to pecharaunt. That’s why he gives them mochi to fight Ogerpon.

[@user-uc5qp3hb7i]

id like to think they were all already poison type pokemon so they couldn't be mind controlled by the pecharunt thus only receiving friendly treats from it bas a gesture of friendship

[@Typhoon_Lex]

Pecharunt is a literal "Toxic Enabler". What's dark is that once Pecharunt got bored of the old couple and left they probably starved to death and died shortly afterwards

[@jacksonvoet8312]

Or the greed mochi wore off, and they realized what they had actually asked if what was essentially their child, and died of grief.

[@Typhoon_Lex]

@@jacksonvoet8312 Equally morbid 👍🏻

[@KoigYT]

I've always wanted to know how Ogerpon beat 4 Poison types as a pure grass type with a very limited movepool

[@davidrozier1126]

Ogrepon OP! That's why.

[@davidrozier1126]

As well as her anger. Game mechanics mean nothing in a real pokemon fight.

[@joefarrow1599]

It's like, "Gorrilaz vs. Majoras Mask, Go Fight!!!"

[@Epic_Daymond]

I GOT IT. Pecharunt is replacing the food at Nintendo lunch breaks with it’s mochi, to possess the game freak staff, so they put him in all new games, so he will always stay relevent, so the old couple will recognise him as a famous person and love him more. It’s GENIUS!

[@cyberrb25]

I just need a Mochi dance emote ingame. Just that. Let me chicken dance while goofing off with friends.

[@HazakunaJr]

The old couple is merely a means to represent and justify Peacharun's desires. The old couple was completely controlled by him with the drug Mochi. The three loyal men also meet by chance on the street and do not become friends. Instead, they are controlled by him and have no free will. Peacharunt is a type of terrible ghost who is so vicious that he goes to the extent of killing people to satisfy his desires, but at the same time tries to make himself seem good and innocent.

[@zinzolin14]

Even though I feel there's a lot of inconsistencies between this tale and what we knew prior, I still think it's largely believable. Maybe that's just the beauty of myths.

[@JosephShemelewski]

This actually makes the post game of the DLC feel more fulfilling I was liking the horror movie feel at first but then I see everyone chicken dancing and was like wtf is this and just kinda felt like getting the run around chasing people

[@JosephShemelewski]

Also anyone else find the hidden cutscene at the crystal pool at night without a guide really caught me off guard

[@modellostrident1275]

You missed something important in the scene when pecharunt is floating over the cloths okidogis hand puts a box with a penchant berrie in it

[@Netherwolf6100]

Yeah this is something I've been pointing out for a while. Something about the story felt extremely off, like it was told to make the Runt seem like the victim of events despite so many aspects of the story not aligning with the lore told by the villagers who apparently saw the conflict itself, but not the motivation behind it. Most likely, the little brat is some level of Chaotic Evil as it hypnotizes people and pokemon, assuming that's its way of making "Friends" with others, but in reality they just do its bidding. Even more so, it willingly stalked 2 creatures back to its home and attempted to steal from them to satisfy its own personal desires, showing its ill intent. I believe maybe it has a skewed sense of morality, thinking robbing creatures of their will and theft are perfectly ok as long as it doesn't suffer consequences. Because of this, it most likely controlled the old couple and delved deeper into its own depraved selfishness, all leading up to following Ogerpon, "accidently" killing the human, and then getting defeated by a crazed, bloodlusted Ogerpon seeking revenge in front of the townspeople. Then Mask Creator went to the cave, noticed the struggle and damage within the cave, probably saw blood too but the body was taken and most likely buried by Ogerpon. He attempted to tell the villagers what happened, however they refused to believe him and knowing that Pecharunt was still out there, devised the Mask Wearing Lore to protect other humans from accidently eating the mochi fired by Pecharunt while traveling at night and noticing something or someone unfamiliar. Those are my thoughts anyways.

[@daniellejackson6543]

I'd say that Pecharunt isn't entirely aware of its mind control can be another possibility and it genuinely believes that the loyal three are companions instead of under its will.

[@perestrelo6808]

Those are the lights from the shrine of the village...

[@mega-ri7fj]

To be honest i think the video of Pecharunt Tale is what approaches more what should the story be. Not because its Momotaro but because of a detail that you explained and i noticed. You said and it was actually mentioned that the villagers saw the fight of Ogerpon against the Loyal Three. Even at the cutscene image of the "griddy pokemon", Pecharunt showed up because it was obviously with the Loyal Three but thats when things are interesting. If they noticed the fight why they didnt see Pecharunt and why would they pick it up if they seen the fight? Apart of that, are the Loyal Three and the Grandparents under Pecharunt control? Well yes and no. The Toxic Chain on the Loyal Three its their symbol of Loyalty for Pecharunt makes their wishes come true but if you notice their pupils arent purple. Apart of that why they dont turn against you in the Epilogue and why they could act freely in the Teal Mask? This is most likely because they ate the mochi but arent under the strings effect. They are most likely free from Pecharunt control, helping him has a debt rather than actually being Brainwashed. I could be wrong but this is a possibility. Now if we notice the grandparents it says the Mochi awakened their Greedy nature and they still act naturally despite being under Pecharunt control and Pecharunt is kind of controling them indirectly like, he isnt aware of the mind control he put his "Owners" on. Soo Probably Pecharunt has those type of people he can control freely and other that he has limitations or rather control them unaware. The mind control with the forced chicken dance now could be a concentration of his poison due to he rest or in this case "hibernate" until the epilogue but this Concentrated Poison part is a theory of a youtuber that i found interesting. Idk if its possible but could be. And thats my opinion. I just find it strange they watch the fight but not watch Ogerpon take down Pecharunt. Perhaps they heard the noise and reached there only to see the aftermath of the fight. For now thats my opinion :v

[@ballzfrog]

The idea that ogrepons of trainer just beat the crap out of the loyal three to protect the mask is so funny to me

[@NotTotemPanic]

6:24 nahh this is just a typical fnaf vhs ending/moment

[@ArcturusAlpha]

Perhaps, like many conquerors, pecharunt believe their goals to be benevolent. the shot of them riding pokemon in the water was probably not as joyous as pecharunt recalls. they were all probably under its control. the question is, is it just a victim of its own powers or does it do it on purpose?

[@cblin1978]

It is possible that the fight moved closer and closer to the village unless I missed something that debunks that theory

[@baxterbruce9827]

I think there's still some things missing, things don't quite line up no matter which story you subscribe to as being true, even if we assume a few details got lost over the years

[@darlhiatt8136]

Mochi MOCHI! I hope that dance is an emote I can find somewhere for my pictures...

[@user-gc8qi5ef5g]

this theory has just made me litrelly question humanity it was awesome

[@ImmortalAbsol]

Pokémon were helping fulfil the requests, presumably for mochi, before the chains.

[@lancebaggaley9433]

What does the berry required to actually start the quest have to do with the quest at all. When you’ve caught okidoki it just disappears from your inventory

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

I also think it's weird how ogerpon beat the loyal 3 when they have the type advantage and out number it. I guess ogerpon has plot armour XD

[@tedscheett9420]

My take is that Pecharunt manipulated the village to believe this story about it being the victim of circumstance and the Loyal Three being heroes. After all, it's whole thing is subjugation to it's will. If it spurs this lie by quietly slipping it's mochi by the villagers discreetly, all it will take is a single generation to perpetuate the lie until it becomes legend. Why else would it take up residence in a store?

[@MichaelV118]

THANK YOU!!! These things have been bothering me since I watched the short

[@jakekilla1106]

“All of this makes pecharunt a very sympathetic character” it sent its minions into a cave to steal masks and he died protecting his property. How tf can you even begin to sympathize with this thing? Because it’s masters told him to do it? That doesn’t make it better, it didn’t even think twice before doing this. This thing is a monster and it along with the 3 deserve what they got.

[@cinthebun]

This a just a theory, A GAME THEORY! (Goodbye, Matpat.)

[@DiamondMoon-go7xh]

Wait when he said in a field do you think of the apple hills? The trees look small

[@excalibur493]

Haven't seen many english comments saying this, but Pecharunt has a very obvious tie to the number 88. The level it is when you fight it and every base stat except for defense is 88. And wouldn't you know it, 88 is representative of danger in Japan. It makes a lot of sense. And it looks like a little chain! Bonus points right there.

[@user-np6sk3cq6i]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned here or not, or if it's an obvious thing and you just didn't talk about it, or if I'm just an idiot and I missed you talking about it, but the mythical pecha berry that you get from the mystery gift is probably the pecha berry that Pecharunt got for the old couple. Imagine you got a really expensive box of chocolates for your parents, and they just gave it away to someone else. Wouldn't you be mad?

[@moonblastx1996]

Momotarō (Peach boy) was seen as the hero in the folktale story from Japan, just as the village of Kitakami believed that the Loyal Three were the heroes. They depicted a human behind them as their supposed Trainer, but that trainer has the toxic chains from Pecharunt, so it's being controlled by it. This might tragically be Ogerpon's Trainer, who was controlled when they fought him for the masks. That's why nothing's known about him after, and the villagers wouldn't have recognized him without the mask This is simply GameFreak's version of the story, a spin on it, for the fact that folk tales might all have a hint of truth but also might have a lot of false, just like the original story of Momotarō, something doesn't seem right. A boy isn't simply born from a peach, conveniently found by a childless couple. This boy was delivered there, possibly because he was evil, this might be GameFreak's idea. Momotarō was never a hero but rather a demon child that was abandoned by whoever made it, either because they wanted to get rid of it or because they wanted it to create chaos in the region. Coincidentally, theory goes that the Government of that era in Japan sent soldiers there to kill off any opposition in the region.