Why the US Doesn't Support Taiwanese Independence

[@PolyMatter]

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[@rajeshsahu3574]

Support from india

[@arctic215]

I do

[@Didacmmv]

Your clickbait title is disgusting, not gonna lie, playing with the lines on this topic to gain views makes something in my stomach turn upside down. There's many, to not say an infinite list of reasons why Strategically Taiwan can't fall in the hands of the Mainland communist government, anyone with half a brain with geopolitics can tell you that and this type of doubt and fear is exactly what the CCP feeds on in order to maintain the apparent supremacy of it's paper tiger. God it's disgusting how you mix tradeoffs made in the past with the current situation, sheesh. EDIT: Talk about Sensationalism, the irony lmao. Really, what's the point of this video but to grow FUD towards the entire situation did I miss something?

[@Napoleonic_S]

I'm more curious on where did polymatter get those j-20 footage?

[@topiahead]

Will you be doing Singapore waste management system?

[@Veriox22]

"Does Taiwan exist!?!?" The USA: Yesn't.

[@pepega7015]

USA : Yes but actually no

[@avinashtyagi2]

US: Does anything really exist?

[@chinazifromwuhanlab1195]

#cancelmainlandchina

[@priyanshujain9450]

😂

[@beavatatlan]

Yes, we have photographical evidence that the island of Taiwan does exist.

[@rolerroleris533]

Most (western) people think that the world is now a peaceful place, but these kinds of videos show just how delicate this balance may be, and just how much shit is stirring behind the peaceful facade. The recent shit with Ukraine and Russia is one good example of how this peace can easily crumble...

[@absolutefocus2749]

I mean objectively we are living in the most peaceful time in human history, for 99% of our species's lifetime war between the major players was happening, now not so much.

[@udhayakumarMN]

afghanistan??

[@neeneko]

Which is why talk of trade wars, returns to mercantilism, or even nationalistic isolation are so scary. trade and economic interdependence give the major powers a huge incentive to keep that balance. But generations who grew up without war are growing restless and are pushing to make sure the next generation get an education compatible with destablizing things for emotional reasons.

[@shotsniper009]

I think it's more accurate to say """peace""". Major powers simply just refuse to acknowledge the suffering they inflict on their out groups especially while erasing their culture from existence

[@nickyliu8762]

When I saw the USA invading Afghanistan in 2001, I did not think that the world was a peaceful place. When I'm seeing the US withdrawing from Afghanistan in 2021, I do not think that the world has become a more peaceful place.

[@BrandonSchleifer]

I love Canada's policy: "we've taken note of your position."

[@FOLIPE]

I went to see if maybe this is a language that was reproduced in many cases and in Brazil we use the exact same expression. "The government of the Federal Republic of Brazil recognizes that the government of the People's Republic of China is the only legal government of China. The Chinese government reaffirms that Taiwan is an inalienable part of the territory of the People's Republic of China. The Brazilian government takes note of this position."

[@ronvara2929]

Canada's policy is the same as any other country in the world: cut the official relationship with Taiwan, meaning no taiwan flag on Canada's official site, just like the US

[@aportfolio8324]

Love Taiwan, though. I don't care what the authoritarian regime of "West Taiwan" says haha 🇹🇼🇹🇼

[@亮亮-s1u]

@@aportfolio8324 supporting Taiwan independence from China🇹🇼❤️ Visited 3 years again and fell in love with the country! I hope it never changes into what the CCP has changed my country into!

[@aportfolio8324]

@@亮亮-s1u Be safe. I heard about the die hard Chinese nationalists that dox people who don't suckle up to the regime's narrative. But your support is very refreshing!

[@motoko9176]

One of the best English-speaking video on Taiwan-China relationship I have seen so far. The explanation of subtle language used in foreign policy is spot on. "A weird in-between state in which it can enjoy the freedom only if it pretends not to" is a precise snapshot on what's currently going on in Taiwan.

[@leizhang2447]

It's weird that he only talking about history after the WW2, which totally ignored the reason why Taiwan got separated from China in the first place, and why it's called Republic of China even nowadays. Without understanding these, people will never understand China's reunification claim. Well maybe they are not bothered anyway..

[@youngcitybandit]

@@leizhang2447 does the history before ww2 matter? Only thing that matters is that china wants taiwan and taiwanese ppl do not want that...

[@chubascomohd2688]

China airline is in Taipei and China press is in Malaysia.

[@charlescook2078]

The stand of this video is seemingly neutral but it completely omitted the historical ties between two sides, making the claim of unification odd and hard to understand.

[@charlescook2078]

@@youngcitybandit yeah tell that to Catalan people and see if Spain allows them to claim independence

[@Bill-ou7zp]

It's fascinating to me that such huge and complex matters of international relations hinge on the delicate use of language.

[@chunchuanlv3211]

Welcome to East Asian politics. Although, the mainland Chinese never understand the one China policy of US as pro-CCP. It has always been understood as a deliberate ambiguity. My high school teacher discussed this point in class room. In general, East Asian politicians have been working on the delicacy of language for centuries so that there are always rooms for re-negotiation, while passing the message.

[@luiso2166]

@Jack Hui How's Winnie the Pooh?

[@MrLee4747]

It is very very simple, don't cross the red line, if you cross then who ever did it will face the consequences.!

[@arthas640]

I think that's why Biden is careful to not state any coherent opinion on many things and usually dances around the issue. He won't say "Cain shouldn't have killed Able" or "Able deserved to die", he'll say "it's sad when brothers fight" that way he doesnt have to offend anyone and doesnt have an opinion he needs to support since otherwise the Able or Cain supporters would expect Biden to back them later

[@yosefyonin6824]

wouldn't call it complex, it's just fear from communist hurt feelings because they are extremely violent

[@AG-pm3tc]

World wide, this era will be called "the can kicking era".

[@pokalorentz9363]

Back in WWII there was a period called the "phoney war"

[@frenchbreadstupidity7054]

So... Cold War 2.0

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@lmao this isn't a name Ordinary Americans are often so vociferously in support of Taiwanese independence because for them it's part of a grand moral crusade, one that they see themselves standing for globally (look up 'American civil religion' on Wikipedia, and take note of the 12th Tenet). But most importantly, because they don't have to live with the consequences. America can drop bombs on a country, killing literally millions, for the cause of 'freedom (tm)', but if it fails they don't have to deal with the mess cos they're safe in their homes half a world away. The Taiwanese are more circumspect, because they know they WILL have to deal with the consequences, unlike the Americans. They know the cost. Also, consider this - China has been threatening Taiwan for 70 years, a country with close ties to a rival power (and even that only because of US communist worries following the Korean war), yet today it's a prosperous country that trades extensively with China. By contrast, the equivalent right next to America is Cuba - another island who rejected its powerful neighbour to ally with a rival power. The US has never laid claim to Cuba directly, but rather preferred it be led by a puppet dictator (Batista). And yet, the US has embargoed, sanctioned, blockaded and even once invaded Cuba for daring to defy it. Comparing the two, it certainly doesn't look like the Chinese who've treated their island worse...

[@Nainara32]

Eh. Not every international disagreement needs to be settled.

[@christopherscott1336]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn if not for American protection, do you think China would not be embaegoing, blockading, or actively invading Taiwan?

[@thegoodfolk]

Future historians will have a hard time keeping a straight face when they find out WW3 was started by a Tweet

[@ScottRothsroth0616]

Search: “Assassination of Qasem Soleimani”

[@chedkosovac8320]

You mean the next species. No one surviving a WW3

[@willblack7353]

@@ScottRothsroth0616 Trump was so bad at starting wars every time he tried he failed at doing so

[@AlexanderMichelson]

@@willblack7353 Trump never tried. The best president ever.

[@thetimelapseguy8]

​@@AlexanderMichelson Ok that that drone assassination didn't happen

[@WhatIThoughtChannel]

5:30 Wow, you managed to spell ‘Government’ 3 different ways in one screen 😂

[@deadringer2349]

nice find 😎

[@TagetesAlkesta]

I like Canada's "takes note" phrasing more.

[@giantWario]

I know right? It basically just means: '' we know that this is what you said''. It's about as non-committal as can be.

[@dirtypure2023]

It's pretty limp-wristed tbh

[@no3ironman11100]

@@dirtypure2023 That's how good political talk goes. You either blow it all or you go full limp noodle. Most efficient way of talking. Of course people being used to it means intermediate modes are usefull too but... even if you're a politician who's trying to do good you gotta maneuver around angering dictatorships across the globe, other party members or the people themselves with the wrong words.

[@dirtypure2023]

@@no3ironman11100 This attitude among our political class is part of the problem (or maybe it would be more accurate to say it's a symptom of a larger problem). This kind of slippery speech is inherently dishonest. Politicians are constantly hedging. I'd rather have politicians with backbone who aren't afraid to speak from a strong position of principle, and who state their beliefs and intentions clearly, without trying to play all sides at once. The rarest Pokemon of them all.

[@no3ironman11100]

@@dirtypure2023 If you don't play dirty with people you'll see them mob up on you. I'm sure you've seen it happen in real life. Unless you have a really healthy environment. Which isn't the case when you have to deal with a whole population with varied views & clickbait money scrouging journalists. If you've seen youtube, People who are straight up honest with their sins and flaws tend to get more severe hate. Those who try to please everyone create cleaner communities. until they're exposed on their mistakes I guess but that's not the point. Real humans don't say "it's ok how you are, we'll accept it, it's all about loving eachother" it's "HOW DARE YOU ? WE HAVE TO LYNCH THIS PERSON, HE DISRESPECTS MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO AUTHORITY!"

[@ntumed2799]

7:39 For someone who does not grow up in Taiwan, such objective insights on the two political parties is simply amazing. Yes both sides agree that maintaining the status quo is the best short term immediate strategy, but both parties marketed it so poorly that it seemed as if one stands for unification, while the other stands for independence.

[@orionstark]

In the short term, mainland China is going to have a crisis which will cause the CCP to reform or break. What the PRC looks like after the demographic implosion has taken full effect is anyone's guess. Eventually the threat from the CCP will vanish. What Taiwan does then will depend on what things look like on the ground in Shanghai.

[@12vtbfx37]

@@orionstark less Read about falungong news , Even We Taiwanese don't believe this news The main purpose of these news is to demonize China Many of the video clip are not from China Even the translation of their video was wrong

[@ethanfoo9154]

@@莫念x酱 it’s not that the CCP is bad, every government is terrible, it’s that it’s very close minded. It would be better if more conversation and critique was allowed. It would help everyone. But the issue is the CCP won’t allow that because it’ll weaken their power slightly. It wouldn’t be a big deal since there would still be many supporters. But it’s the belief that they would lose support. Not the reality.

[@onyxrafle8066]

The problem is that China is a one party state. Every country with only one dominant party becomes oppressive over time. No matter what their ideals were at the beginning.

[@orionstark]

@@12vtbfx37 Wu Mao.

[@coolieo2222]

Question: does the fact that taiwan has a massive semi conductor factory play into Americas and Chinas decision on how aggressive/Defensive they should be? If so did Taiwan know this when they allowed the factory to be built?

[@ooooneeee]

Definitely. TSMC is their insurance against getting invaded.

[@the_zsriverpanda]

I don't think the government foresaw that TSMC could grow to become one of the leading forces of the semi-conductor industry. That would've been uber impressive. They definitely know its strategic importance now tho

[@linpaul1970]

I don’t think so. From China perspective, they will try as hard as they can to invade and communistzed TSMC.

[@the_zsriverpanda]

@@linpaul1970 Well, first of all, the PRC is communist in name only. But more importantly: A blackout for a few hours caused by an earthquake in Taiwan could shake the stock market in New York for a few days. A war will definitely do much more. This means that if the PRC does invade, not only will it harm its own economy, it will also harm the economy of other countries, giving them the incentive to intervene before that happens. This is why the TSMC has been described as Taiwan's "insurance."

[@absolutefocus2749]

@@the_zsriverpanda exactly, China would have to first fill TSMC's role before even thinking of invading, China is the country with the biggest need for chips, in 1 part due to their domestic market (see Huawei having to completely restructure everything over the US's trade ban) and in the other because of their future wish to unify Taiwan with the mainland, both big reasons why they're investing ludicrous amounts of money into the industry.

[@MoeMisakaMikoto]

4:52 "承认" is actually an accurate and the most common Chinese translation of the English word "acknowledge". The word "recognize" can be also translated as "承认", but a more common translation would be "认识(到)".

[@jeanpetersen1294]

In Oxford dictionary, Acknowledge is defined as "accept or admit the existence or truth of."

[@jevoudraisphoque997]

No, "recognize" is almost always translated as "承认," whereas "acknowledge" is not.

[@hedition9346]

"I hear you" is the most accurate lol.

[@快乐的人-j8s]

no recognize is mean 承认 no 认识

[@Iakner]

@@jevoudraisphoque997 Are you for real? Do you recognize this person? in Chinese is 你'认知' 这个人吗？Do you acknowledge the fact? in Chinese is 你'承认' 这个事实吗？I doubt you know any Chinese.

[@ngp9609]

Moral of the video: Procrastination is bad

[@AxxLAfriku]

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[@ald1050]

@NGP Not really as it is better than war. Timing is everything in war.

[@Blanksmithy123]

Fence sitting can be a powerful diplomatic tool. It's not like the US is putting it off for no reason lmao

[@Kriae]

Reminds me a lot of the issues Hong Kong is facing

[@Blanksmithy123]

@@Kriae the difference is that there's no hope for Hong Kong. Taiwan is still an open question.

[@L0stEngineer]

The American diplomats are lawyer poets with their subtle word selection. It must drive non-english speakers absolutely nuts.

[@MrOzzification]

That's just being good at diplomacy regardless of nationality or native language.

[@Kriae]

Most countries do the same thing

[@duckymomo7935]

the whole concept of the law of excluded middle in logic isn't necessarily true and you can have fuzzy logic or neutral or even null truth value

[@leorkoubi4626]

As a hopeful lawyer I lookatthem with worship in my eyes.

[@ezioauditore7636]

It just reminds me of chess, the same methods are taken in it.

[@Jose04537]

"Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind” George Orwell.

[@deisk2707]

Political language? Seems new

[@jimilindley4422]

@@deisk2707 Please read a book. I don't think you realize how naive and ignorant this comment of yours exposes you to be. Not trying to be mean, just bringing it to your attention.

[@aguywithananimeprofile8950]

Long live ol George

[@deisk2707]

@@jimilindley4422 ik, this is really a stupid comment. As a non-english speaker, I can't think other words to form something like neutral.

[@jimilindley4422]

@@deisk2707 I'm sorry man. I didn't realize English wasn't your first language or I wouldn't of said anything. I hope I didn't discourage you from continuing to try and communicate in English. I know how hard learning a new language can be and how immersion and getting out of your comfort zone is necessary. Sorry for being rude I assumed you to be a young American unaware or even embracing their own lack of knowledge it's becoming an epidemic here but I should know better than to make such assumptions. ✌️

[@zhangyuqi9604]

8:59 Correction, it’s Taiwan’s Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ) that the Liberation army aviation crosses, not their actual air space. In addition, ADIZ of Taiwan is a concept that was proposed by US, and half of its zoning covers the land mass of Mainland China (So I suppose the aircrafts taking off in that area would immediately be considered a threat?).

[@cpob2013]

yeah its bullshit. meanwhile 6 nations sailed warships off china's coastline

[@zhangyuqi9604]

@@cpob2013 And that’s the part of the story that’s missing from main stream media in global north countries

[@tweedy4sg]

@@cpob2013 what does 'off' actually mean....1km or 100km ?

[@benxinghai8649]

@@tweedy4sg better question, where does china draw its "coastline"?

[@FOLIPE]

People only consider that the ADIZ was violated if the plane crosses the Taiwan Straight Meridian line.

[@beamerboy640]

US: we do not support Taiwanese independence *also US:* hey Taiwan here’s a s-t load of weapons in case you need it 😉

[@mankola]

And here is the aircraft carrier USS Reagan near by just in case.

[@georgewashington3918]

@@mankola it’s also there to make sure China does not do anything

[@mankola]

@@georgewashington3918 No Sh!t Sherlock.

[@hyuuganatsume2621]

tbh the USA are doing the same thing in SEA.. pretty damning imo

[@crazychinese7315]

If by a shit load of weapons you mean 30 years old ass fighter for the price of F22, then yes, you are correct..

[@簡伯翰-o5c]

It’s strange to see your own house in one of the stock footage…

[@ilikepiedontu]

You’re one in a million then

[@liuhc]

For a moment I thought your name is 简伯承

[@segitigabiru6625]

Which part lol

[@neonbunnies9596]

Timestamp?

[@magicmagus1459]

bots arent you supposed to spam ccp talking points...how come the boss is allowing you to do this as well...business must be going good...

[@stevelucky7579]

“Unofficial relations with its government” is just another way of saying, “we recognize you, we just don’t want to anger the people who disagree with us.”

[@beatlejuice7755]

The US just wants oil, no oil in Taiwan

[@stevelucky7579]

@@beatlejuice7755 Ha ha US just want oil 😂 you should be a comedian. Very original joke 10/10

[@bigmanroadman3910]

“China will bully us if we recognise you. sorry.”

[@GyacoYu]

Yesn't, just like the US also maintains an unofficial relationship with the Talibans.

[@michaelwang6125]

@@beatlejuice7755 There is some oil but I think Taiwan consumes more than the amount the country generates. Marble probably is the main natural resource Taiwan exports since it has over 30 billion metric tons of deposits, one of the largest in the world.

[@BamBamGT1]

Here's another point of view. Both PRC and ROC position was that there is only one China, and that Taiwan is part of it. That's not favoring any side, that's what both sides believed. And it doesn't say PRC is the only government, or the only legitimate one, but the only legal one. This still leaves room to accept the ROC claim as being the true government of China, even if for al intents and purposes PRC is the actual government.

[@blackmmmblackmmm]

Yes, you’re right about this, so that comes with two results, one the KMT is losing their election because of it, two that’s also why president 蔡 has no any action on declaring “independent” because she was elected by ROC’s law

[@chuamengkim6020]

USA should help Taiwan to reconcile with the mainland China to show USA in support of one China .

[@xwqi]

The territorial issue of the Diaoyu Islands between China and Japan is the same. The Diaoyu Islands have always been the inherent territory of China and belong to the jurisdiction of Taiwan. At the end of the Qing Dynasty, Japan still had official documents to steal the Diaoyu Islands. At the end of World War II, Japan should have returned the occupied territory, but the Diaoyu Islands were under the jurisdiction of the U.S. military to be used as a target for training shelling, while the United States handed over the Diaoyu Islands to Japan because the United States had a military base in Japan.

[@AlturoChen]

"Ironically, it's most often Americans halfway across the globe, who panic when China flies fighter jets through Taiwanese airspace, not the Taiwanese public" Nicely said

[@sterius5098]

@@Demicleas without even spelling it right, that truely said something

[@dingdongpong748]

@@sterius5098 how low can u be?

[@sterius5098]

@@dingdongpong748 almost as low as u 😊

[@kuro_5537]

Unfortunately, this is true. Taiwan has been abused by the Chinese fighter jets too many times that Taiwanese tend to get used to it

[@Nron-ni4gj]

@@Demicleas The last time u guys care about Iraq, Afghanistan, it didn't end up well.

[@Ellipsis115]

"[Taiwan] can enjoy freedom only if it pretends not to" is such a killer quote!

[@rocappreciater5540]

The Republic of China will give freedom to all Chinese people one day.

[@ciaranthompson3375]

@@rocappreciater5540 it's a nice dream my friend

[@kyriakos232]

@@rocappreciater5540 people from Taiwan should choose their fate, so as people from mainland China, the division is there and better not to impose your will on us.

[@Mr_DPZ]

I just imagine a bunch of people at the polls sarcastically saying "oh man, I hate being able to make decisions and have opinions. Can't there just be some guy to tell me what to do and how to feel?"

[@Yddp3307]

@@rocappreciater5540 sorry, nobody in China would want ROC to rule. If Roc is there in the first place, China would never ever as advanced as they are now, and decision making process will only be heavily influenced by the west, as ROC will only become a lapdog of US eventually, but you could continue to dream about it

[@nlpnt]

"We acknowledge your position" means "Yep, that's your position all right."

[@__europa]

definitely.

[@王方悦]

The video is misleading. The agreement between USA and China is written in 2 languages: English and Chinese, if the chinese version is not right, why USA doesn't correct it? The only explanation is USA intended to exploit this mis-understanding, it offered a false promise to China to trade for a common frontline facing Soviet Union, and hold back a "backdoor" to compromise the promise it made to china.

[@niu-3-]

@@王方悦 exactly

[@JohnDoe-qu2dr]

@@王方悦 You know that English is the only language that some people can read and often without saying, in their mind, that is the only language that should be used and other languages are all shit. "What? Chinese? Blah, barbarian language that should go extinct."

[@王方悦]

@@JohnDoe-qu2dr That's exactly the problem, in the western-central narrative, only english matters, while the truth is UN has 5 official languages including Chinese. Western media has successfully created a black box that majority of the audience lack basic common sense and don't care reality beyond what they are fed.

[@kafuukafuu2281]

I died when Poly said USA panic more than us when the fighter Jets knock on our door, can't be more accurate.

[@RahzeeAlibaba]

It does because we'll have to fight the actual war, so yeah its scary...

[@firewoodloki]

@Sen While I know you are just trying to crack a joke, it is obviously not a good thing to continue a constant military threat, at all. It is high chance that eventually it will turn into a real war. Also the joke is not exactly funny from Taiwan's point of view, as it sounds like a joke told by a raper towards his victims.

[@turnpike9680]

At the very least, getting triggered by fighter jets isn't as cringey as getting triggered by seeing the Taiwanese flag.

[@KDH-br6hy]

@@turnpike9680 🤣

[@damonedrington3453]

@Sen Honestly I’ll never understand it here. Taiwan and mainland china are both happy with the status quo, but Americans here want to storm in and kick chinas door down for some reason

[@vokzaal]

Isn’t it great that there’s no way you can address Taiwan without offending somebody

[@EwingTaiwan]

It's sad, isn't it? Now imagine you're the center of that s**t show.

[@AkamiChannel]

No problem if you don't mind offending losers, idiots, and babies

[@BlackWinds]

Israel's kind of the same way. Let people be offended.

[@violethaye6987]

i don't care at this point, life's too short to obsess about who gets offended over what these days.

[@shepherdlavellen3301]

good thing that KZbin algorithm is keeping both factions apart...mostly, but on the other hand being neutral means algorithm will bring you both sides' opinions, which means instead of seeing one group of idiots, you get to see two..

[@EvanQiu]

I'm a Taiwanese born in the States, studying university in Hong Kong, and had been to Mainland China so many times, and I absolutely approve this video.

[@No-day-off]

I mean. For me, politics are so far away and we can’t do nothing. I just wanna make friends without boarders and politics.

[@EvanQiu]

FYI, units in the black tall residential building on the left boundary at 12:08 were recently bought at the price tag of 14M USD, with floor spaces of approximately 5250 sqft.

[@joemammon6149]

Do they have General Tao chicken over there or is that only in the West like chop suey?

[@superchatoalien4905]

台日友好！！

[@cybersentient4758]

Mr Worldwide

[@NinjaMomtastic]

I kinda feel like the Taiwan Semiconductor deciding to build up to six factories in Arizona is kinda like a canary in a coal mine for the long-term stability of the region.

[@dknowles60]

Good idea can't trust china china only killed 10k. People for protesting If tiawan goes who is next

[@carso1500]

@@adrianramos4400 in a way the problem was that having all the semi conductor industry in a single country was and is a... problem, like just a bunch of errors caused a mayor chip shortage worldwide soo sorry for Taiwan but yeah the US needs it's own semi conductor factories

[@dknowles60]

@@tl4172 i hope so you would have thought the Us would have learned from its 1973 OPEC spanking

[@fanily4072]

@@carso1500 There are multiple fabs all over the world by different companies but only one ASML. That is a very critical bottleneck.

[@iix23]

​@@tl4172 Yes and no. The first reason for the AZ chip factories is to alleviate tariffs on Taiwan's export like the car companies did in the 70's. Reason #2 is the global chip shortage. Taiwan's science parks are running out of land to build, electricity to operate ( the closing of 2 nuclear powerplant without replacing the production capacity) and the water supply to feed these plants (Taiwan had droughts in the last 3 years and had to divert water from citizens to keep the plants running leaving the citizens without waters for days.) Taiwan specializes in new chip making technologies and sends older machinery like 5/8/12 inch wafers to other less developed countries like Thailand, India and even China as they aren't concerned with IP theft for those less profitable and old techs. I have been living in Taiwan for the past 20 years and operate businesses here as well. TSMC and Power chip are some of my biggest customers.

[@Campaigner82]

We’ve heard about Taiwan belonging to China or not for a long time but I never hear about Hawaii. The US just went in and took over and completely suppressed their independence movement. Catalonia (province of Spain) was not allowed to become independent, Spain said. So why do we only ever hear about Taiwan..?

[@stuka80]

because those areas are alrdy integrated into the nation for generations. Taiwan is currently not and is in active defiance and autonomous.

[@nirehytls6706]

@@stuka80 not for generations tho. Hawaii was forced into statehood in 1959, which is comparably more recent when CCP became the leader of China/KMT went to Taiwan. Catalonia is not that far off either. People who were in their 20s back then are more or less in their 70s to 80s now, so that would be at MOST 2 generations. But hey, Hawaii is just too important for the US (since it is situated right in the middle of the Pacific) to allow independence.

[@stuka80]

@@nirehytls6706 Hawaii has been an administered territory since 1900 its entire infrastructure built by the US with a major naval base there. There is no clamoring for independence in the residents, most are happy being part of the US and moreover the majority of its residents dont consider themselves as a separate nation the way virtually all of Taiwanese do. I dont know about the Spanish incident to speak about it but i suspect its the same situation there as in Hawaii. My point is the situation of Taiwan and the other 2 regions mentioned are not the same at all, the circumstances are totally different. If both of those regions right now were independent and separate you would be seeing the issue on the news.

[@cstrutherskgs]

@@nirehytls6706 Hawaii is already controlled in practice and officially by the US. Taiwan is its own de facto nation. China claims Taiwan but doesn’t have practical day to day control. That is a important distinction.

[@jjsamuelgunn1136]

@@stuka80 Shut up. The invasion of Hawaii was in the turn of the century whereas the issue with Taiwan arose from the days of the Qing dynasty several CENTURIES before that.

[@gwyn.]

US on China: *"We know China exists and there's only one China. Yup, that's about it."* US on UFO & Taiwan: *"Perhaps... Maybe... It's classified."*

[@Ash-bl7vm]

Bob Lazar… was right…

[@Cookedfrfrfr]

“Come on man!”

[@pramilashaktawat4429]

🟪SERCH ADITYA RATHORE, HE ALSO MAKES INFORMATIVE CONTENT LIKE POLLYMATTER

[@D.I.S.C.O.R.D.A.I]

You realise videos on UFOs were declassified by the pentagon right?

[@johnkiethcampilan2980]

the US is very secretive country! so watch out!

[@dorivaldojunior2254]

7:10 Kuomitang "you've become the very thing you swore to destroy."

[@jonsong4592]

ironically the KMT did it in the 1930s too when Chiang Kai Shek took over the republic after the death of Sun Yat Sen. Turning the democratic republic into a military dictatorship. Sun Yat Sen was probably rolling in his grave.

[@kevinwijaya9613]

@@jonsong4592 but china was fractured at the time. He had to conquer local warlords one by one to reunify china. Don't forget they were the ones who fought against the japanese forces while CCP barely lifted a finger. CCP is only in power now because Mao seized an opportunity from a weakened KMT force that took the full brunt of Japan's imeprial army.

[@isaakwang750]

@@kevinwijaya9613 KMT was certainly no angels back then. The regime was brutal and its army was so corrupt that officers could turn a profit from maximizing casulties so a lot of their soldiers defected to the communists. So yea, back then you were stuck between two shit choices. One just happened to be red while the other was blue, but there were no winners during the civil war, no matter the outcome. The civilian would be the losers either way

[@colin-onioin]

KMT is a party from China. It may vow to defeat communist party but it never cares the independent status of Taiwan.

[@bctvanw]

@@jonsong4592 SYS received USSR's aid before his death, so KMT could grow and overthrew the legitimate Beiyang government of China at the time in 1928. KMT and CCP were SYS and USSR's babies.

[@salokin3087]

Lesson: stop posting on twitter. Can you imagine the history books on WW3 discussing a July Crisis event because of a tweet?

[@ravenlord4]

Yeah -- kind of like the US entry into WW1 over the Zimmermann telegram, eh?

[@ChenAnPin]

@@ravenlord4 the Zimmerman telegram at least took a few days to figure out and some exchange and clarification before coming to a conclusion. At least it wasn't a spontaneous midnight toilet seat twitter post that could be too easily interpreted as a decision.

[@ravenlord4]

@@ChenAnPin I serious doubt an infograph detailing vaccine by nation was a "spontaneous midnight toilet seat" communique. If anything, a quicker response and replay time granted by modern technology favors diffusing ambiguous or dangerous situations. Hence the "red phones" between hostile governments.

[@PrograError]

i mean... wars had been started over google maps...

[@ravenlord4]

@@PrograError Does not surprise me. Wars over maps is one of the oldest and most cherished reasons for a call of arms :)

[@khpc82]

I love how neutral this reporting is. Instead of all the mainstream media's biased reporting. Good job!

[@akiuta4]

There's no unbiased reporting you can just pretend to be unbiased. Right in the video you can see how he says that "China exploited" the wording thus painting China as malicious or opportunistic. From his other videos you can see that he is quite right leaning. It's important to declare your bias when reporting.

[@Leanzazzy]

Shopkeeper: Wait a second, you didn't pay for that! Me: I acknowledge that 😌

[@arniesawfularmchair]

"I acknowledge your position on that"

[@pneudmatic]

Yusuf, your lawyer Harry K wishes you had exercised your Miranda Rights.

[@Leanzazzy]

@@pneudmatic Does that mean I'm supposed to stay silent because anything I say can and will be used against me in a court of the law?🤔

[@theguyfromtech4090]

Epik

[@pneudmatic]

@@Leanzazzy Yes. "I acknowledge that you believe you saw me take that" would be pretty hard to interpret as an admission of guilt.

[@sierranexi]

Tweeting a picture that can be slightly misinterpreted and triggering a meltdown. Isn't that what Twitter is for?

[@Kevin-cw8of]

People tend to forget that these two *entities* are still at war.

[@xuanquang9815]

Chinese Nationalist on steroid tbh. funny how Taiwan was once Nationalist and China mainland was communist

[@supernenechi]

In the distant future, after world war 3 is over and I can tell people about having lived through it (if I do of course) then we can say how WW1's tipping point was an assassination, WW2 was started because of a Nazi uprising and WW3 was started because some tweet

[@jamesj5565]

@@supernenechi or some Asacoco KZbin statistics

[@yafethtb]

@@jamesj5565 a certain vtuber that innocently read what Google tell them

[@mugy9049]

Sometimes I click on this type of videos and pause at the start just to read the amazing fights in the comment sections

[@prudentibus]

Hey, I don't like that you like, stop it!

[@sadinsamuel1990]

Me too

[@jackn.1120]

@@prudentibus Your point is irrelevant.

[@user-dx3jg6er1m]

"unofficial relations" = we want to trade with China & don't want to risk them being angry with us but ideologically we agree with Taiwan face facts: it's never been about whether people agree Taiwan should be independent or not. if China remained at the same power/economic levels as it were three decades ago this would be a non-issue.

[@larghedoggo9607]

China had grown and change much compare to decades ago. However, as we can see, China has slowed its growing velocity since trade war with the U.S and Australia. Interbational companies start to retreat along with salary growth slowing down, it happens too early as a developing country. China has to face this challenge before even become a developed country.

[@utobesuckslol6687]

@@larghedoggo9607 Companies start to retreat? To where? LOL

[@greenteasunferncello]

@@utobesuckslol6687 To Vietnam, Malaysia, India, South Korea to name a few.

[@patrickforrest4899]

China is committing atrocities as we speak (look up uyghurs) and we ignore it. They're a cash cow for american corporations and consumers.

[@曹亚涛]

@@patrickforrest4899 I am a Chinese.I have some Uyghurs friends.I can approve there is no slavery in Xinjiang.It is a beautiful part of china and we have no reason to slavery.

[@gkprivate433]

The USA changed its public position on Taiwan back in the 70s when Nixon was preparing to travel to mainland China. And the UN went along with it

[@petersinclair3997]

Sort of true. The UN only recognised the Mainland. The representatives of Chiang Kai Shek were expelled. Taiwan was ignored. Resolution 2857.

[@petersinclair3997]

Sort of true. UN Resolution 2857 recognised PRC rule of the Mainland. The representatives of Chiang Kai Shek were expelled. Taiwan isn’t mentioned.

[@xxxcool2565]

@@petersinclair3997 then you know none of them will come to Taiwan's aid. I mean how do they even convince their parliament and electorate to send its own troops to defend a place they don't acknowledge in the first place? Sounds dumb af, right? Opposition will have a field day. For e.g. Imagine if Biden and democrats proposed to send american troops to defend Taiwan. Farking Republicans will have a field day shooting down the proposal and Biden.

[@xxxcool2565]

@Damian Kyle republicans will object for objection sake.

[@beatlejuice7755]

The US only wants oil and business in China. They don't care about Democracy.

[@odahimaable]

They should write international treaties in emojis it would be much simpler.

[@theMcWOPPER]

Wouldn't have been simpler. It would lead to a lot of interpretation.

[@kridhay]

@@theMcWOPPER bruh he’s joking

[@George83_Thomas]

Munich Agreement 🇬🇧 + 🇫🇷 🎁 🇦🇹 👉 🇩🇪 🔵 : 😤 ☑️ ❗️ 🚫⚔️❓ 🔴 : 😅 ☑️ 🇩🇪 💥 🇵🇱 🤫

[@triton62674]

@@George83_Thomas top tier

[@macmarc6661]

@@George83_Thomas Have you considered a career in geopolitics?

[@jinzhanghsu4253]

As a Taiwanese, I think this is a really well made video. It clarifies many things that some Taiwanese dont even seems to recognize😂 the comments here are also far more peaceful then those made by Taiwanese KZbin channels

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

You guys do have a good reason to be riled up and aggressive, you're basically in as much danger as Poland in 1938.

[@囧囧囧-w6t]

Hahaha I am from Mainland China. Yes I agree non-biased and non aggressive comments are always appreciated.

[@DC-bf4fz]

@@G-Mastah-Fash Are you saying they should go in to a war? You the not the one gonna suffer so you wouldn’t care, would you? Besides, Taiwan’s situation is nothing like where Poland was. It started from a civil war while in Poland’s case it’s a complete invasion. Learn some history before posting irresponsible BS.

[@kei2142]

Let's bring in some 50 cents

[@dillontuan121]

We are survived from to be careless about something seems need to be really care. Which means 认真你就输了.

[@justinyang21114798]

I don't think anyone has brought this up yet. I just want to highlight the footages you used to depict the lives in Taiwan. You did such a good job in selecting and editing them into your video that as a Taiwanese, seeing them feels just like home. I can't express how intimate they feel to me and how at times it almost feels like you are viewing it as a Taiwanese native and just seeing these images like our day-to-day life. I just want to point this out because I think it reflects the amount of thoughtfulness and care you put into understanding and explaining the situation in Taiwan and in some sense just the care you have for the Taiwanese people. So often, Taiwan is reduced to an abstract concept, a footnote in the greater fight between the US and China. As a Taiwanese, I am often really annoyed by this narrative. Taiwan is 23.5 million people and, if war breaks out, I am and also we are not just some number but a human who can easily be killed. I apologize for going on a bit of a tangent. Coming back to my original point, I want to thank you again for your amazing work. Even it's just a tiny detail, it really means a lot to me.

[@anubizz3]

@Chris Sushi They will always lose, it's Murican that win. Taiwan is just a pawn for Murica to assert their dominant.

[@aa951742]

Unless you are from the south😂. The only footage from the south is our aircraft carrier.

[@JohnSmith-nz2yq]

but your comment is saying that because you are 23 million people, war and death and casualties matter. so if it is a small island nation with less than 1 million people... then they don't matter?

[@thelastcube.]

Do you support Taiwanese Independence? US: yes but actually no

[@nevreiha]

USA: hmm, maybe - depends what answer you're looking for

[@inigobantok1579]

But if war goes it will be

[@colin-onioin]

Somehow it is fundamentally a thing between China and Taiwan. However, everyone keeps asking the USA's opinion.

[@FynnRosenzweig]

@@inigobantok1579 nope, look at what happened to Ukraine lol both NATO and EU dont wanna get involved

[@spidey5324]

Yes, but half of my aircraft carriers will be destroyed in the process so no.....

[@matt9887]

The term “democracy” is being used so loosely these days. Just because you can cast your vote once in every few years, does not grant it democracy by default.

[@loull_aroll]

It actually means you can purchase a gun pretty conveniently and shoot whoever you want.

[@LarryWater]

@@loull_aroll That sounds like a dictatorship.

[@jameshdr5583]

@@LarryWater that’s US guns policy...

[@TheSilverazo]

Certainly better than having a 100 year dictatorship

[@LarryWater]

To me, guns are partly important to democracy. If the US didn’t have guns, they wouldn’t be able to overthrow King George’s rule over the colonies.

[@bomber001]

The PolyMatter cycle: Video about China Video about China Video about China Other video Video about Singapore Video about Singapore rinse and repeat

[@Legion849]

Not yet still waiting for part 5 of China's reckoning.

[@CyanTeamProductions]

@@Legion849 I think the last part will be the collapse of the US.

[@lmcguiness5476]

@@CyanTeamProductions we will never collapse. We'll outlive you and your country

[@CyanTeamProductions]

@@lmcguiness5476 I am from the United States too lmao. I choose not to lie to myself.

[@lmcguiness5476]

@@CyanTeamProductions oh really? You're one of those self guilt people!

[@niel.h4184]

ROC is free China, but sadly Taiwanese nowadays mostly avoid being considered as Chinese. Much more like giving up a bigger cause then live it up on the island forever.😢

[@VSaranara]

in the future "Grandpa how did the third world war happened?" "Oh sonny it's ALL because of a tweet" "Really"

[@roxylius7550]

The result would be ugly but I don't think america would risk all out nuclear war because of taiwan. Likewise, I don't think China would risk attacking taiwan anyway. Even without US's help, taiwan is still powerful enough to cause serious damage before going down. Just imagine 1 of those modern missiles hitting multi billion dollar skyscrapper in shanghai. It's simply too expensive for modern developed nations to fight each other

[@Daddy-ko2jn]

@@roxylius7550 if you lose Taiwan’s massive microchip production that America depends on then we will have no new cars, computers, electronics, military advancements and if China takes Taiwan then they will dictate the price of these chips and control the market.

[@roxylius7550]

@@Daddy-ko2jn nope, if china tried to take taiwan by force, most of those factories would be turned into rubble from all the fighting. That includes hundres of factories and skyscrappers on mainland as well. it's basic logic

[@Daddy-ko2jn]

@@roxylius7550 China has their own semiconductor microchip manufacturing facilities spread out through the county so unless you take out every single one of those then yes they would most likely be the leading market producer, Taiwan already produces about half of the entire worlds output on semiconductor microchips. And The U.S government literally thought up the idea of Nuking Beijing and Shanghai over fears of China trying to attack and take Taiwan in the late 1950s, 1958 I think. But sadly I think our new administration would be to cowardice and weak to stand up to China

[@roxylius7550]

@@Daddy-ko2jn lol, do you get org45m from wanting to go to war or something? What's up with the obsession?

[@user-we3eg9vs8z]

"...mutually enforced facade of resolution" I like that.

[@NoName-dl4rt]

char englisherist*

[@matthewandrew]

Mabuhay

[@wordsandbytes]

"When Taiwan's president proposed a referendum in 2003, the US was caught between a rock and a hard place" At first I heard 'caught between Iraq and a hard place' 😂 which would have been funny and accurate.

[@APersonOnYouTubeX]

I mean pretty much sums it up for vets in America, die for ya country, get some honours or survive with ptsd n be treated NICELY by YOUR country

[@phillipmargrave]

Between Iraq and Afghanistan. Yup checks out.

[@kurtpunchesthings2411]

America literally were caught between Iraq and a hard place during that war

[@EAdano77]

Was that not an intentional pun on Polymatter's part?

[@ScottyShaw]

Taiwan, province of Iraq... wait... 🤔

[@hilton5782]

Wasn’t the original resolution 2758 created by the United States and China? Therefore, the most important thing is to have utilization value. When Taiwan has no utilization value, it will still be kicked aside by the United States.

[@呵呵哈-l7o]

USA : Taiwan is a country Also USA : We don’t acknowledge Taiwan as an independent country officially

[@marshallgoggins5450]

and Taiwan: Our undying loyalty will serve US to the end of the time.

[@能瀱玂煾]

你問台灣人香港人新加坡人回答一定是本地不會加上中國畢竟地緣政治關係每個地方民情會不同，但你問他們自己是不是中華民族百分百認同當你查詢中華航空或者中國信託其實都是台灣的公司但語言上的隔閡翻譯到英文就一樣明明普通話概念就是不同詞彙

[@Brian82406]

@@能瀱玂煾 中華民族是個噁心的政治口號, 不會有美國人英國人到處跑去跟人家噁心自己是大不列顛民族。講這種東西在台灣只會被嗆爆而已。

[@yudao8125]

@@Brian82406 你们用的旗子还是民国旗，有什么好扯的

[@nisstw]

@@yudao8125 所以嘞？ 你們旗子是打土豪，分田地嗎？？ 田誰的，地誰的？？ 呵呵呵！！

[@jeremydien5744]

5:27 I was pretty astonished by the name "Dominion of Canada" as it is so rarely used.

[@reillywalker195]

It's also obsolete, at least since 1982.

[@leojei]

The name "Dominion of Canada" simply tells you how long ago that policy was drafted.

[@awesomemantm2000]

The Kingdom of Canada

[@NoVisionGuy]

@@leojei also Canada being a domain of UK

[@georgevirtus]

It was a Dominion along with South Africa, Australia, New Zealand etc. Meaning it had its own government but the UK Parliament handles foreign affairs. There were the normal colonies but there were special some places that were classified as Protectorates (Palestine/Israel, Iraq, Syria, Jordan) which is protected by Britain. The British Raj (India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Myanmar) was the Crown jewel of the Empire.

[@jeremyleewang]

This is such an insightful, intelligent analysis of the dilemma that faces that doesn’t pretend to be anything more.

[@能瀱玂煾]

我認為認同台灣人數據有些空間，台灣人並沒有要改名獨立因為事實根本改變不了什麼浪費時間大部分人不熱衷政治，而當你問台灣人認同問題國際化的社會不會認為自己是中國人但說到自己是不是中華民族他們一定會認同有點偏向新加坡華人世界概念 而且只有懂華語的人才清楚區別因為英文翻譯 中國=China 中華=China但這個詞比較像中華民族的意思但也因為舊時代的概念在英文上定義相同對台灣來說是真的保留中華文化官方語言常用語言都是普通話而台語其實是最靠近台灣的中國沿海方言在經歷過日本統治時期後加入日本語也不會正式書寫而台灣原住民是血統也屬於南亞島語系他們曾經被荷蘭統治所以原住民與好像是羅馬拼音而他們佔人口最少數，台灣的首批大量移民已經是中國清朝時代最靠近台灣的沿海居民

[@nckumem5383]

Taiwan independence was never supported by the majority of people in the island of Taiwan. It is claimed by the very small team of DPP which won the government. Reader should read the other video by Wonderwhy recently.

[@Thebester3]

I have lived in Taiwan 4 years and it is a beautiful place Looking at those videos just bring back memories

[@ryanp8925]

I also lived Taiwan but before that I lived in China. The move was absolutely wonderful. I now understand why China is so jealous of Taiwan. Mao literally wiped China out, even their language is the Walmart version of the traditional Chinese characters Taiwan uses.

[@vintnerw1087]

@@ryanp8925 Jealous of Taiwan? As a Chinese I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you 30 years ago, dreamed of immigrating to a western country 20 years ago, and felt neutral about your statement 10 years ago. But now, I can only consider what you said funny. My life in China is so much more comfortable than any where I have ever been, and oh boi I've been to places. Chinese. Are. Now. Rich. lol. Suck on that.

[@eisenhowerlau1153]

@@ryanp8925 Taiwan only let us feel amusing instead of jealous. Ahhhhh.

[@ryanp8925]

@@vintnerw1087 Chinese are now rich? HAHAHAHA. Is that a new thing in the past 2 years because as of 2 years ago China does not even supply tissue or soap in public bathrooms. I guess that is why people still poop in public. HAHAHAHAHA @ Chinese being rich. Suck on that.

[@ryanp8925]

@@eisenhowerlau1153 How Ironic is that statement about being amused. I mean when we talk about these kind of things both myself and my Taiwanese friends just laugh at the toxic land of China and how all the people are basically walking robots. Now that is both sad and amusing.

[@meMajorLazor]

USA: *Sorry democracy is currently out of stock*

[@mt8956]

RIP Afghanistan

[@hewhohasnoidentity4377]

We left all of our Democracy seeds in Iraq ll

[@andrewjgrimm]

Must have been because of panic buying.

[@TheMusicalFruit]

USA: Please call back if you discover oil in your country.

[@CountDraccula]

The US is not a Democracy it is a Republic.

[@jjc1347]

It pretty much shows how the US is run by lawyers.

[@dirtypure2023]

It's far worse than that, but I think you have the gist of it.

[@dunnowy123]

Well...yeah. why wouldn't that be the case? Lawyers are the most likely to understand law and policy. That's the case in every country that isn't a dictatorship. Naturally lawyers will gravitate towards government.

[@PhysicsGamer]

Yes, rule of law tends to work out better in the long run than the alternative.

[@ooooneeee]

Accurate, most politicians are lawyers.

[@Hotasianchick]

Here we fucking go with JQ for god's sake

[@801180111108]

As a taiwanese person it’s incredibly impressive how you captured the nuance of the situation and represented all the stances fairly. Thank you for a good informative video.

[@Thewiseleopard]

There is no “taiwanese” and no taiwan. Taiwan doesn’t exist

[@sak_1017]

@@Thewiseleopard +50 social credits

[@justmyedits6596]

@@Thewiseleopard Taiwan numba one ! Taiwan's a great country !! MilkteaAlliance !

[@Jon-eo9zf]

-1000 social credit points.

[@RahzeeAlibaba]

REAL Americans recognize Taiwan as a independent country.

[@Grymbaldknight]

Given that the US culturally gets erect whenever freedom, democracy, and independence are mentioned, i think it's reasonable to suggest that it privately supports Taiwanese independence. However, that's not the same as being willing to start a war by openly siding with an easily-squashed territory.

[@yuchenchen8012]

The best policy right now is to continue supporting the status quo. However, the US cannot let China use force to take back Taiwan. A strong deterrent must be there at all times. Despite China's strong rhetoric, China itself is also not willing to make the first move to rock the boat. It's economy is overwhelmingly dependent on exporting to Western democracies. A war with Taiwan is a war that the Communists must WIN. Anything close to a stalemate once fighting begins (especially when the economic effects come in) could mean the downfall of the entire Communist Party.

[@roxylius7550]

@@yuchenchen8012 why would they even want to start a war to begin with. Unlike US bombing a bunch of helpless tribesmen, China bombing taiwan would mean retaliation from taiwan's part. Any modern missile could easily destroy one of the many many many skyscrappers in shanghai or guangzhou. The price is simply not worth it for all parties involved

[@williamcothrum9199]

@@roxylius7550 wouldn't even need a missed to get rid of their tofu dredge buildings. Just a fire hose can destroy many of their cities

[@rongarcia2128]

@@yuchenchen8012 nahh it's become clear that the idea of US loving democracy is a joke considering its never ending crusade of systematic disenfranchising certain groups of people. For people of color, You will need to become a ninja to be able to cast the vote

[@roxylius7550]

@@williamcothrum9199 errr this might hurt your feeling, but many chinese skyscrappers were built by american architects.

[@hugonongbri8100]

Media: Whats your stance on Taiwan ? US govt: _And what is a Taiwan ???_

[@jamilrehman8663]

Hhhhhh

[@sundalongpatpat]

Is Taiwan a country or not? USA: Of course

[@madden8021]

Is Taiwan a country or not? USA: Well, Uhh, Maybe? Idk? I have nuclear weapons aimed at me from the Chinese mainland so I can't chose my own foreign policy anymore.

[@FynnRosenzweig]

@@madden8021 China cant do anything to USA lmao, USA doesn't want Taiwan to be independent because if so they cant sell weapons to them anymore. its all about money.

[@FynnRosenzweig]

@Lianhua Xin exactly. same for middle east. they just want people there to fight 24/7.

[@freeskier64]

@@FynnRosenzweig nah, it’s not that simple.Taiwan is the last trump card for US to contain China. A hidden trump card is better than a used trump card. Also god knows what will happen if this card is played poorly. Granting Taiwan independence will certainly led to war, and put US in a dilemma. People who incite or support Taiwan to gain independence have no idea of what they are doing. They are risking their lives , their families’ lives and most lives on earth for something that doesn’t benefit them. It is either their unification or their war, bystanders should just keep their mouth shut and mind their own business.

[@FynnRosenzweig]

@@freeskier64 I see.....

[@catherinel.3551]

The translation differences are fairly good points most media didn’t point out

[@aegis3141]

One of my favorite pastime is confusing people with the KMT-CCP relations,because the semantics are really fun

[@agenthex]

Yes, in today's political environment, you get boo'ed just for calling Taiwan the Republic of China. Because the masses are tarded.

[@aegis3141]

@@agenthex I am quite active in my uni's discussion groups,and every year we have to "break in" the newbies to make them throw away their idealistic world view that they have. One of the examples that I use to tell them that pretty much everything that you hear and see from the surface is most of the time extremely biased or tilted in one way or another is this,I explain the history of KMT-CCP relations,the chinese civil war,the lanfang republic,etc. Btw,this may surprise many people but in my country anti communist sentiment is strong but most people, don't know what communism and socialism is,they don't even have an understanding of what a political spectrum is. The result is intense political and religious tension that culminated to many riots,massacres and and mass rape especially in the 80s and 90s,with effects that can still be felt until now. Many victims are minorities so they don't dare come out,so the cases are swept under the rug,I doubt the younger generation even hear about what happened back then. Note: if you are curious why ideological tension becomes racial and religious, it's because most people associate communism with china,which means chinese,which means the chinese minorities that have lived in the country for hundreds of years since the ming dynasty are targeted. Kinda shows how people are really ignorant and the government trying to put the blame on other people.

[@brandonwalker5011]

@@aegis3141 there is strong sentiment in the US about communism but almost nobody knows what it actually is and that includes both the people who hate it and who love it.

[@aegis3141]

@@brandonwalker5011 and yet people willingly burn,kill and loot for it,humanity at its finest

[@duckyuu5900]

@@aegis3141 Indonesia??

[@Checkmate1138]

"Does Taiwan exist!?!?" Obi-Wan: "From a certain point of view..."

[@RazSkull673]

The real question is, does Taiwan have the high ground?

[@Anthony305ttt]

@@RazSkull673 yep! we have lots of mountains and canyons in this small island nation.

[@aratirao9007]

@@Anthony305ttt 🔹SERCH ADITYA RATHORE, HE ALSO MAKES INFORMATIVE CONTENT LIKE POLYMATTER

[@alohacnnew]

@Liang in USA美國亮 Just open your eyes. It's not TAIWAN passport. It's Republic of China passport.

[@docjaji5071]

@Liang in USA美國亮 ever heard of one country, two systems? If Taiwan wants to point their guns at us, the country’s unification must be issued, peacefully. Westerners can back off.

[@RB-fp8hn]

It's really interesting to see the sharp rise in the percentage of Taiwanese who want to maintain the status quo but move towards independence. The jump starts in 2018, going from 15% to just over 25%.

[@leileijoker8465]

In 2018 the Pooh bear changed the constitution making himself emperor for life. And soon after the shitshow in Hong Kong happened.

[@serenachen9385]

Independence is just a dream for Taiwanese it were never come true.😜

[@macncheez1212]

His charts are a lie. It actually flies to much larger percentages after Hong Kong. The people see what happened. Unlike the US the Taiwanese people actually check the engine's under the hood of their cars before purchasing. Americans think its cute and usually have buyers remorse after their plans go bad. (Just like our politics.)

[@行動才能擺脫貧乏]

The percentage is 31% in 2021

[@macncheez1212]

@@行動才能擺脫貧乏 sorry misread

[@KevanMajere33]

Strategic Ambiguity, that's why. You keep all stakeholders guessing your future moves. Stakeholders are China, Taiwan, all neighbouring nations, all nations with strategic and or significant business interests in the region. With a lesser nation, there's no need for ambiguity, just attack and divide. But with China, one is facing not only a big and strong nation, but also an advanced civilisation, with thousands of years of common lineage (1.5 billion Chinese and counting, mainland and worldwide). Against such strong opponent, what do you do to still achieve divisions (so as to slow or halt growth)? Create ambiguities and uncertainties amongst mainland, soar discord and suspicions amongst the neighbours. Destabilise the region. One thing is certain: if the region is peaceful, if the conditions are peaceful within China and within the region, China will rise much faster. A strong China is a threat to America's self professed manifest destiny - America said so herself.

[@xwqi]

Biden said many years ago that provoking a war between Russia and Ukraine is beneficial to the United States. Now Biden has been elected president of the United States. We have seen the war between Russia and Ukraine

[@GamerEngineer1345]

This video turned into vocabulary lesson really quickly

[@specialted1]

A diplomat who says “yes” means “maybe”, a diplomat who says “maybe” means “no”, and a diplomat who says “no” is not a diplomat!

[@mountainous_port]

Haha yeah

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Extremely accurate... I mean when every single thing you say will trigger a tantrum in at least someone, honesty becomes a really rare premium.

[@ComedyJakob]

The US and China have very successfully maintained detente for 50 years.

[@wlot28]

Globalism is much more profitable than war nowadays

[@bigbeartanner]

@@wlot28 well China has been in a different kinds war with the rest of the world.

[@hellosirhowcaniscamyoutoda8105]

@Done Busy It's a good thing that happened otherwise pro demoncrazy cults might have overthrew the ccp

[@hellosirhowcaniscamyoutoda8105]

@Done Busy Most Chinese support the ccp like it or not.

[@sxli3340]

Taiwanese cjhina

[@FrankTheUnknown]

The fact that a year later the us is saying “Oh Taiwan isn’t separate from China but we’re still gonna defend it militarily.” As if we need that

[@phatkid6811]

USA: "We support One China Policy" Narrator: "Where is the Capital - Beijing or Taipei? USA: (Wink)

[@paulricky9340]

Taipei is able to realise ONE CHINA？

[@JNJNRobin1337]

Whats The US Capital

[@oogdhugee_3072]

I support 1-China-PRC policy, i also support independent China-ROC policy. China-PRC is one De Jure China-ROC is one De facto I support Two China-1 policies. Just as there are Two Americas USA and Latin .

[@MY-zj8pb]

Is taiwan a country America: *SWEATING* China: *gives it a look* America: "next question thanks"

[@jhunemallare2457]

Taiwan is an independent democratic country, a friend of US TAIWAN’s monitors Beijing it’s capital

[@krossfield9139]

@@jhunemallare2457 Good wish~😉

[@door-to-doorhentaisalesman2978]

To my foreign friends who are confused: Republic of China *(ROC)* = Taiwan 🇹🇼 People's Republic of China *(PRC)* = China 🇨🇳

[@iamfromasean705]

Agree!

[@nazbmn242]

So is Taiwan a country or no I’m still confused

[@yasumitodaka1013]

@@nazbmn242 it is a country but denied by lawyers

[@iamfromasean705]

@@nazbmn242 talking from UN perspective, NO. Taiwan is a region of China. it's not officially regonized by any country. Not even america. OK?

[@nazbmn242]

@@iamfromasean705 oh ok

[@moon_wei]

Imagine being so fragile a flag makes you wanna declare war lmao Edit : I'm Chinese and my grandparents came straight from mainland China intending to escape communism, No I am not racist, No I am not in America

[@pugga__2609]

-1300000 social crédits

[@MrGadu95]

Support for Taiwan from Germany!! 🇩🇪🇹🇼

[@benghaziwarrior3687]

Supporting China from America 🇺🇸🇨🇳

[@real_dddf]

@Heizeinburg Support FLQ from China!

[@istoppedcaring6209]

there need to be more channels like this one, the only biass being the subjects chosen, not the way they are discussed or the sources used

[@macmarc6661]

Yeah, the quality of Polymatter has really improved. I considered it as good as kurzgesagt or Wendover productions.

[@triparadox.c]

Interesting.. I remember being turned off on one or more of their videos back then (iirc this to be the channel of that video). I might watch it someday later. Not in the mood of ruining my mood from politics bullshiet

[@pramilashaktawat4429]

⚪SERCH ADITYA RATHORE, HE ALSO MAKES INFORMATIVE CONTENT LIKE POLYMATTER

[@macncheez1212]

@@triparadox.c Don't be fooled by this video its playing the boundaries so it doesn't get taken down for real numbers.

[@william-abel]

Some of the data is wrong tho. He did not bring up who is in power right now, which is people who say they are already independent, nor did he bring up the fact that 70% of the Taiwanese population votes for this leader

[@sillyduck1]

As a Taiwanese, this video showed in-depth understanding of the Taiwan situation now. Great job for an English-language channel. The only part not explained, is the unstable condition of Taiwan people' mind. Even though young people are increasingly recognizing Taiwan, they are not the majority because of the very low fertility rate. The older population was educated under old Republic of China ideology, which is 'we are Chinese' and 'we will unify with China'. And a lot of these people are now controlling the big companies, TV stations and newspapers. Their representative president candidate, as shown in the video, Han Guo-yu, still got 5.5 millions votes during the 2020 presidential election, and is still a possible candidate in the future. And the video's conclusion is correct, what we need is time. Time will gradually make Taiwan more Taiwan, even though this might be a long road.

[@byang5398]

That's why China is nervous and want to unify Taiwan asap, they think time is on their side but it actually not

[@yanglee1404]

I don't agree. Independence or not is not an issue. Uncle Sam should allow Taiwan to make nuclear weapons and missiles itself. Then Taiwan can look for a union with China, not necessarily independence but peaceful coexistence. Certainly it's impossible since it violates the interests of US. China is irrelevant if Taiwan has enough made in Taiwan nuclear bonds. However, independence is dangerous since US and Taiwanese don't want to combat with China directly. Actually, in history, Taiwan intended to make nuclear weapons. The intention was stopped exactly by US.

[@agenthex]

It's actually not terribly deep and fairly biased toward US hegemonic neoliberalism (just look up his videos on china and consider if he would make the same about the US). For example, he keeps saying the US doesn't maintain one-china policy, yet there is no US embassy or even consulate in taiwan. Polymatter and these sort of channels is largely a facade for US state dept PR same as the NYT/WaPo and such. It's just fact that the US policy is sour on China right now, and this shift in rhetorical viewpoint reflects that. Next time the US looks to bomb the shit out of some brown country, you can count on these guys to iterate all the "freedom"/"liberation" justifications for their impressionable audience. In sum, all you're really "learning" is marching orders for the masses straight from Washington.

[@timothywilliamson9831]

Supporting Taiwan is bad for America. That is both the long and the short answer for American people. This also bad for the Chinese people, and likewise people of Taiwan.

[@miu__m]

Sounds a lot like the generational gap regarding the unification of Koreas in South Korea.

[@gododoof]

That wordsmithing, goddamn I love me some diplomacy.

[@Jose04537]

"Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind” George Orwell.

[@87711jimmy]

Fun fact: KMT is the party who fights against the CPC during the china civil war, but they lost and force back to Taiwan.

[@cpob2013]

thats not so much a fun fact as just history... a fun fact would be that taiwan wasnt considered part of china until after ww2 and it was ceded from japanese control. the KMT is just an occupying force from the mainland. the native taiwanese didnt give a shit about the civil war and were actively oppressed by the KMT troops and refugees

[@徐晓涛-n4p]

@@cpob2013 Taiwan is actually part of Fujian Province before Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895 and then ceded by Qing dynasty after. You can think it's part of China before then.

[@IIIUMlNATI]

When flyovers are normalized though... thats an issue.

[@tomxiao1]

What flyover lol

[@dr.woozie7500]

The PRC Air Force doesn’t actually fly OVER Taiwan. They fly into the airspace in the Taiwan strait which is the ocean. Don’t be misleading.

[@jawkx99]

Lol Taiwan claim the airspace of shanghai as theirs. There is no way China is going to care what Taiwan define as "their airspace"

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

The flyovers are typically done in response to some American action or the other. They've become more frequent since 2016, when Trump stepped up pressure on China. It isn't really directed at the Taiwanese so much as it is to America.

[@PolarTw]

@@dr.woozie7500 they also dont fly into AIRSPACE of Taiwan often. they fly into ADIZ which is even further out than airspace. Taiwanese airspace are rarely violated and if so, jets and missles are locked on to expel immediately.

[@stoneruler]

"it can enjoy freedom only if it pretends not to", that's so deep and sadly true.

[@dongxuedu9835]

Freedom？

[@stoneruler]

@@dongxuedu9835 what you’ve never hear the word before?

[@bowenzhang4471]

tbh I didn't get the meaning

[@stoneruler]

@@bowenzhang4471 allow me. Taiwan is de facto independent, and it enjoys freedoms that chinese citizens don’t. However due to china’s policy, Taiwan is restricted from many international platforms. The more we want to express our freedom, the more threats china will issue, so we have to back off in some areas to cool down tensions.

[@bowenzhang4471]

@@stoneruler now i got it, thx!

[@KingofAwesomness14]

this is land lease, basically. "oh we don't support the tawainese war effort, but here's a crap ton of stuff just in case."

[@ingeniumow640]

More like "hey u wanna buy firearms and a crap ton of stuff from us so I can make money and profit off your conflict"

[@anhtunguyen781]

@@ingeniumow640 based US, financial profits from war and conflict

[@Christopher-rw2bp]

@@anhtunguyen781 No? You clearly believe lies spread by your country and are an incompetent moving puppet of your government

[@Christopher-rw2bp]

@@ingeniumow640 More like protecting them from conflict XD

[@anhtunguyen781]

@@Christopher-rw2bp dude, that was a joke, I wasn't being serious

[@haowu6749]

This video conveniently twisted some facts. 2:06, quote "Mao founded PRC in 1949, US initially decided not to intervene" but you did not complete this sentence, the US did send its 7th fleet in between the Taiwan strait, intervened in Chinese civil war, and tried to created this 70 year long problem for the Chinese people, heck to this day, they are technically still in civil war, as no peace or cease fire or any kind of treaty were signed.6:43 quote "made advocating for independence legal", nope ROC constitution does not allow independence, there are calls for referendum to change the constitution by deep green supporters, but the green parties never did allow such referendum. 8:52 quote "when China flies fighter jets through Taiwanese airspace", please get facts straight, PLA fighter jets never fly through what Taiwan considers it's airspace, but Taiwan's ADIZ, which spans and covers a big chunk of Mainland China land, just google the map, also why don't you mention that US warship and planes frequently visits China's ADIZ?

[@carlodefalco7930]

The problem for the Chinese people is The totalitarian murderous , genocidal communist party of China

[@fredorman2429]

An here I’ve always thought that our diplomats are naive, constantly outwitted by the devious foreigners. I suppose I should be glad that our diplomats can be just as devious. It’s all too much for me.

[@thesage1096]

the united state's diplomats are some of the best in the world

[@zyc8198]

Interestingly, most Americans I met feel that their government is stupid and ordinary American voters are smart, but as an outsider I have to say the opposite is more likely.

[@TumblinWeeds]

One does not become a world superpower with naive diplomats. I think only the US people think that. For instance in China they’ll give history lessons about the US “tricksters” screwing over, just, the whole world

[@gallaugal9099]

Thats sadly pretty true

[@Mrqwerty2109]

Does Taiwan exist? USA: Well, no, but actually yes

[@prod.ski.]

didnt laugh overused joke

[@15241]

@@prod.ski. Who the fuck cares.

[@prod.ski.]

@@15241 about this comment nobody haha

[@bobjacobson858]

Back when I was taking a statistics class while in grad school, one of the other students asked the professor a question about some aspect of the subject matter I can't recall. The professor answered "I don't but I essentially do". I think this answer describes quite accurately the position of the US in regard to recognition of Taiwan.

[@poorlittlesheep4098]

Ironic how the status of a region depends on the "position" of two other countries. As far as I know, the "position" of Taiwan is that mainland China is technically also Republic of China, just currently occupied by the commies.

[@henrylai9593]

That is the position of Taiwan like 50 years ago. 🤔

[@beng1540]

Taiwan hasn't claimed jurisdiction over the "Mainland Area" in a few decades.

[@josephdee4649]

Thats just the KMT party position, not the DDP and definitely not a popular position in Taiwan right now.

[@tanyouliang]

All these are the outcomes from the cold war era.

[@beng1540]

@Johnson Li Taiwan wasn't part of China when the KMT fled there... it was legally a Japanese territory under US control until 1952. The time between 1945 and 1952 was a military occupation by the KMT. Taiwan IS an independent country, officially as the ROC.

[@jensenliu8894]

No matter how good the rapport between brothers is, it can’t resist someone who keeps instigating you to go it alone

[@tomxiao1]

Good video but just one criticism Chinese fighters have never flew over Taiwanese airspace. They flew over Taiwanese air defense identification zone. Very important difference.

[@Nesher92]

That's just a perifrasis for saying Taiwan airspace...

[@andresiniesta9955]

@@Nesher92 You would think so but I suggest doing a Google image search for Taiwan's self declared ADIZ. It includes huge swaths of areas over mainland China. For example, if a military plane flew overland within mainland China from Shanghai to Ningde, it will be classified as "China enters Taiwan's ADIZ" even though China just flew their plane within their mainland. Taiwan's ADIZ does not equate to Taiwanese airspace. IMHO, Taiwan's ADIZ is pretty ridiculous and China's ADIZ is much more tame. Japan's ADIZ is by far the most ridiculous in the region.

[@Nesher92]

@@andresiniesta9955 yes, the Adiz extent is much wider, and obvious local Chinese air traffic isn't a threat per se until it comes to the "middle line", after which is 100% Taiwanese territory. The PLA air force literally flew the warplanes way beyond the median line, around kaoshiung, which is very far from the Chinese coast..

[@playerst2287]

middle line? Can you explain what that line represent?

[@Nesher92]

@@playerst2287 a line in the middle of the Taiwanese straight which demarks the Taiwanese space from the Chinese one

[@nelsond5361]

That was a very good coverage of this blurry story.

[@johndeo3305]

I don't care that USA recognize or acknowledge Taiwan, but the scenery view at Taiwan is awesome, would visit Taiwan for the third time, take my money.

[@nobrang5146]

Has nothing to do with geopolitics

[@gold9994]

Letsgo eat stinky tofu bro.

[@nothingspecial4510]

legit gained 10 pounds after 1wk of trip in taiwan.

[@Nihilmace-]

I am Taiwanese but I can't accept stinky tofu either.

[@knighthollow5023]

I think Hong Kong is a better place.

[@melimsah]

All I can think is the image was thrown together by a junior designer who had no idea that including that flag was a no go.

[@kesterspec8219]

This is high-quality content.

[@Sreekar-rr4go]

Wow man, we all know when polymatter posts, it's a good day!

[@europana7]

Thanks for illuminating these political minuscule nuances with massive ramifications … I learned a lot today.

[@pramilashaktawat4429]

💿SERCH ADITYA RATHORE, HE ALSO MAKES INFORMATIVE CONTENT LIKE POLLYMATTER

[@kaiserzero1077]

Don’t need no 13 minute video, just spend half one scrolling down the comments

[@dwnturn]

TLDR: the US is trying to play both sides lmfao

[@Nietabs]

Thanks for saving me time, but I'd rather spend it

[@michelbruns]

Not the us, everyone is treating taiwan like that

[@dwnturn]

@@Nietabs true, it's a good video as usual for polymatter

[@PrograError]

even singapore is also playing both sides. heck they have industrial parks in china, military training camps in taiwan (tho the "camps" was from pre-normalisation of relations with china, which is why china is "kinda" ok with it other than the "one time" confiscation in Hong Kong of their APC Terrex over a supposed paperwork error)

[@pramilashaktawat4429]

@@PrograError 🟨SERCH ADITYA RATHORE, HE ALSO MAKES INFORMATIVE CONTENT LIKE POLLYMATTER

[@harryw4480]

“Taiwan is a healthy and vibrant democracy” Ugh, you haven't been paying any attention to Taiwan politics in the past decade.

[@marcduchamp5512]

Taiwan politics has been infiltrated by the CCP operatives

[@kyriakos232]

@@marcduchamp5512 if only it is the sole problem

[@Yddp3307]

@@marcduchamp5512 and you're still too ignorant about politics

[@Yddp3307]

@@xian6466 结果现在的民进党比共产党还共产呢😂。就连我中国的亲戚都希望民进党继续执政，反正民进党只会自己烂下去，我们东南亚人都非常乐意看他们笑话

[@sumonechan8514]

@@marcduchamp5512 Infiltrated by the CCP operatives so they successfully elected DPP two times in a row? What kind of mental gymnastic is it? lol

[@jukio02]

I've just noticed, this guy likes to talk about China, a lot.

[@rickiex]

Due to recent china scare, china is the hottest topic atm. It allows us foreign polices to do whatever it wants concerning china as long as us public allows it to.

[@rickiex]

@@paddyotterness and the us? No country plays fair. Especially the us.

[@V8_Diva]

@@rickiex The US Spends too much money themselves to bother trying to "steal" anything. They'd just buy it.

[@Faye_Liu]

@@paddyotterness Lol, US foreign policy is paid and bought for by the MIC, China scare is how they profit.

[@nobodylee9357]

@@paddyotterness I sometimes wonder why Americans insist that our government organizations and enterprises steal your technology? Can you tell me where your data came from? I'm studying for a master's degree in computer science

[@何羽揚]

As a fellow Taiwanese, I really appreciate everyone watching this. Thanks for taking some of your time to understand our situation, no matter what you think.😊

[@elnorton7113]

Hello, my 🐕

[@coldbattery]

understand for what? that there's an island to protect America before war?

[@silvershark6403]

Personally, I support Taiwanese independence. No one should be under the thumb of someone else, no matter what. Best of luck, and I hope my stupid-ass government doesn't turn a blind eye.

[@Allan-zu4is]

@@silvershark6403 Can a state legally secede from the union? Oh wait, there was a civil war

[@henryshen1156]

I am from mainland China. But I support whatever people from Taiwan choose. But I wish someday, the social and political system in Taiwan CAN BE applied to Mainland China. CCP does not represent China.

[@randompheidoleminor3011]

I remember when a Japanese Idol group got banned from China and had their Chinese wing shut down because one of their Japanese streamers read the word 'Taiwan' off a Google analytics chart lol

[@lzbhcvm6747]

Because the Chinese are all brainwashed to think if you criticize their leader or the government is same as attacking them personally

[@hamzadhulqornain9401]

@@lzbhcvm6747 that how it is with Israel.

[@gadzadhamgaacaan8488]

@@lzbhcvm6747 That's what will happen if you read n***a in your stream in the US. Each country has its own red line.

[@lzbhcvm6747]

@@gadzadhamgaacaan8488 and that is indeed a problem. I've always recognized problems our country and government have because that's what democracy is supposed to be about

[@cretannia9790]

My favorite part of that story is how the company was given a list of demands by Chinese Nationalists, so in response, the company just nuked the whole Chinese branch as one last "Fuck off".

[@superbutter476]

Hope the Taiwanese people can stay happy and keep their existing culture.

[@kub1353]

Which is Chinese culture...

[@Joseph-me6nv]

Their existing culture is Chinese culture.

[@楊學翰-m8m]

@@kub1353 Yes, Taiwan's culture ORIGINATED from China, but it has been more than 70 years of separation, surely it's not the same now.

[@somedandy7694]

@@kub1353 True...if by "Chinese Culture" you mean "Pre-Communist China." In fact, many claim that Taiwan is China in the sense that it is true Chinese culture when not put upon by Soviet-style Communism.

[@re_4280]

@@kub1353But chinese culture especially ancient was alomost destroyed n wipe out by communist leader Mau during cultural revolution in China republican China fought for it but they lost that war to CCP n now those republican chinese is ruling Taiwan

[@historicalfootnotes]

Can we appreciate the irony in the fact that the Kuomintang is the pro-China party?

[@ChenAnPin]

political parties change their stance, nothing is set in stone. just look at the US Democrat and Republican parties.

[@josephb.1425]

They're pro-unification, not pro-PRC. They want to regain control of China. They don't want to fall to their old adversary.

[@kevinwijaya9613]

@@josephb.1425 Thats true, they're pro-Blue Unification. While mainland china wants red unification

[@isaakwang750]

@@kevinwijaya9613 Doesnt change the fact that they are playing right into China's hands.

[@PrograError]

@@isaakwang750 well to be frank there's also a KMT in chin's congress... tho this not related to the taiwan's, more like a leftover of the civil war and for historical sake (they have a memorial square in Shenzhen for Sun Yat-sen even tho they "kicked" his party into Formosa (Taiwan)