Why The Victorians Faked Their Shirts!

[@riisitee]

I'm having flashbacks to cartoons where some fat guy's collar rolls up and hits his face for comedic effect and it all makes more sense now. I don't remember wheter it was just one cartoon or comic or if it was a bigger trope but this kind of blew my mind Great video!

[@nicpay3851]

Loony Toons did this and yes, I recall very much those skits - which tells you how old the jokes were!

[@imontosomething2609]

Disney's Peter Pan? That's what this vid make me think of. The dad in that movie was fat.

[@AntiqueMenswear]

It's parodied often! You can see it in Looney Tunes as well as Disney's Peter Pan!

[@Switchcrafts]

Almost every cartoon character who had a """tuxedo""" did that joke.

[@chrismiksworld]

@@imontosomething2609 Yes that is the one I remember

[@peculiarpangolin4638]

Karolina Żebrowska sent me here, and I say, good show! I hope to see more in the future; you show great promise. Best of luck, have one of your first subs! Canes would be nice to see in the future as well.

[@AntiqueMenswear]

Thank you very much indeed for your support! :D I endeavour to get better!

[@disorganizedchaos4246]

Oh hey kaiser! Nice to see you here

[@peculiarpangolin4638]

@@disorganizedchaos4246 Fancy seeing you here. Nice to see that I'm not the only one with such a wide-range of interests, dearest D-Chaos..

[@disorganizedchaos4246]

@@peculiarpangolin4638 minecraft and antiques is an interesting combination. I wonder what could be done with that

[@julecaesara482]

@@disorganizedchaos4246 well give me a call when there will be a victorian mod

[@czarinacharters1395]

Karolina sent me. It's good to see the gents joining the conversation.

[@LostinTranslation479]

I love vintage clothing

[@ashleyalexwallace]

Good sir we have a community here that would die to hear more about historical men's wear!!! You have a calm and clear voice, passion for the subject and you link sources!!!!❤

[@jelliebean770]

we see so much about about women’s historical clothing (which is still wonderful), but we never see anything about men’s clothing! thank you for educating us all and i hope you continue to make more videos on this subject. :)

[@katyb2793]

beanjelly yes yes and YES!

[@AntiqueMenswear]

As my first venture into KZbin, I am overwhelmed by all the wonderful comments I am getting on KZbin as well as instagram; and also all the wonderful photographs that you guys are sending me of your antiques and collectables on instagram! There are so many types of bibs/shirt fronts/dickies that I simply couldn't show or talk about (because I don't have any examples) out there that you guys are now sharing with me! I almost want to make a part two! Thank you so much!

[@KatieCatWalker]

Meme Mom sent me here and I am happy she did. ❤️❤️

[@LostinTranslation479]

In which video she mentioned him ?

[@katiefrances531]

oh thank GOD there's finally a historical menswear channel. bless you. is there a chance you'll be covering early to mid 20th century fashion?

[@Boselaphus]

He is only going to cover late Victorian and early Edwardian era. But his collars and bibs could be used for the mid century fashion too.

[@victoresan]

Sir, I would love to see more suspenders. Also, if you could compare the historical ones to the cheap modern ones that'd be fab as well

[@julecaesara482]

welcome to Costube! Video suggestion: What a day of dress looks like for the Victorian upper class/ working class man? I like the catchphrase "end of video. Done!"

[@aprillen]

Sent here by Karolina Żebrowska! You have a great voice and presence for this, and you're very clear and informative in a pleasant and relaxed way, _and_ you show sources and credit people with links! Excellent work!

[@suem6004]

Fascinating. He looks like something from an early news reel. Hope he starts his channel.

[@zabrinapegman1893]

This was a really good video!! So very cool to see more information about men's clothes. But the yellow writing is a little hard to read PS: also very interested in cane history. That sounds awesome

[@karenmalay97]

The ladies bib front is colloquially called a “dickie”. My mom used to wear them in the 70s

[@jackglossop4859]

You’re spot on about the waistcoat. As a Butler I see so many men in three pieces where the waistcoat’s outline follows the jacket to the point where they might as well not be wearing one.

[@akkie3891]

I was always intrigued by the eyewear, like how does a monocle stay on your face and not fall down?

[@lynnhobby32321]

Akkie I’ve always wondered that.

[@paris5410]

It seems really uncomfortable

[@eablab519]

Hi! Monocles were made to size, so that they fit perfectly in the space between browbone and undereye, and could not be used by anyone but the person they were made for. This is why it is a stereotype for rich people, as it took a lot of money to buy these, in a time where some people struggled to eat. This is also where the comicial action of the rich man being so surprised that his monocle falls down, comes from, since it could not stay on the eye, when streching the eyebrows upwards, as it was made for a perfect "relaxed" fit. I hope this helps 😊

[@akkie3891]

@@eablab519 thanks so much! i always wondered about that!

[@katyb2793]

Ea Blab would i be correct in supposing they would fit a little better in older age since, for want of a better expression, the skin and eyebrows would be more saggy?

[@Aquapod9]

This is criminally underviewed!

[@LordRivers]

Never trust a man who wears detachable cuffs. Such men are trying to get rich at the expense of their washer. Brilliant work! Glad to see you on KZbin!

[@Terri_MacKay]

Karolina sent me over. And I'm glad she did...this was fascinating. Hello from a new Canadian subscriber!! 👋😀

[@felissundae335]

This is great! I love how informative you are. You also have a nice, calm energy. I'm really interested in past men's fashion, so I hope you do more! 😄

[@nataliaw7841]

Late Victorian/ Edwardian eras are my favorite time periods!!! I can’t wait to see what you have to share and I’m very excited!

[@Ignauhak]

Thank you SO MUCH for the sound gag at 4:10-4:17! As someone who appreciates slapstick comedy from the Vaudevillian/Music Hall era, sounds effects like this always make me smile, chuckle, and bring me back to my inner child ^_^

[@SynaNara]

I'm super into women's fashion from this time but I love seeing more stuff about menswear. It's definitely something that isn't talked about as much but it's really interesting and I'm looking forward to more videos. Also, if I may give some unsolicited advice: to make captions and text easier to read try using white text with a black outline, it's can make text visible over any color background.

[@apcolleen]

I loved the photos of the people in their underwater. Its one of those small things that can get lost to history and rarely get that kind of detail about regular people.

[@baldner4488]

Very interesting video! You are a good speaker.

[@historicalbiohazard4572]

Very commendable and informative video! Would you consider reviewing film costumes or the like in the future? I would personally be intrested in the history of certain pieces of clothing (i.e. suits, waistcoats etc.) and perhaps to some extent how one would go about starting to dress akin to late victorian and edwardian style. I hope you keep up this channel and look forward to hopefully more content!

[@t.vinters3128]

If I remember correctly, George Darling is wearing a fake "shirt" like this in Disney's Peter Pan. I was very confused about this detail as a kid, because the dub said "This is the clean shirt!", and it was, well, obviously not a shirt.

[@magdalenamagorzatanasiowsk1181]

So interesting. I can't wait for the next video!

[@DandyMillennial1]

Excelent video, speak about the monocles and how to they have to fit. Greetings from Buenos Aires

[@catsnorth]

Hello from Canada! Loved your first video! I’ve subscribed, a wardrobe and history lesson and a lovely English accent 😊

[@dzbania6857]

Wooow I would like try that. I don't know why people don't wear it these days. It seems like such a great idea

[@kimberlyrose144]

Well done first video! Likeable, conversational, and a bit scandalous! Love it. I’d be interested in a video about why or how you became interested in antique menswear.

[@AdelaideBeemanWhite]

YESSSS!!!!! SHOW US MORE!!!

[@thepennypaws]

Karolina Zebrowska recommended taking a look, and I'm pleased I have. Nice to see mens historical fashion for a change. Very informative, and nice to see the original clothing you have. You have enlightened me as to the braces fixings. My grandad whom was born in 1897 and died in the 1970's had these braces in amongst his things when he passed away and I could never figure out how on earth they were attached to his trousers, I'd only seen modern braces that have a grab fixture. Hope you can make a go of showing mens clothing styles.

[@angelsteinkirchner5935]

Yes! Please do share more! There's so much information on ladies' wear but I've found it so difficult to find any good info on men's wear!

[@blixtbritt1563]

Oh goodness, what a video! Please make more. I love this time period and I really enjoyed seeing it from this perspective. Thank you good Sir.

[@fabiovenhorst]

Very interesting video. I'm already waiting for more

[@katyb2793]

this answered so many of my questions from reading 19th century books. like why men wrote notes on their cuffs. please keep these videos coming! And see if Bernadette or someone can sew you some historically accurate undergarments 😅

[@izcullen]

One day a collaboration with Bernadette Banner would be superb! Please make it so! Thank you kindly.

[@AntiqueMenswear]

I'm in Japan and she's in the US, but we met briefly in London! She's very kind indeed!

[@queenvictoria6030]

I love your video, well done, looking forward to more, there is always so much of women's historical fashion (from what I have seen) so this was amazing to see this! In a future video would you care to show some of your favourite items in your collections like hats, monocles, waistcoats and ect, and share some tips and advice on starting a collection of antique/ historical collections, or touching on the majority of public opinion, if that is possible and thank you for the lovely the video :)

[@megozfireservices3989]

Hello Aaron, nice video, the photos of the amputees were interesting. Great collection of bibs too. May I point out that the cuffs, bib and collar were actually attached to a long sleeved shirt that pretty much looks like an ordinary dress shirt except it didn't have cuffs or a collar. I have one. The underwear shown in your video was worn under the shirt. The purpose of the detachable bibs and cuffs was the same as detachable collars: To save cost on laundering. With patterned bibs and cuffs made from quality patterned material there was also a cost saving benefit as opposed to making a whole shirt out of the material (as you pointed out). I don't believe it was ever about reducing heat, one would simply switch to a lighter weight material suit and a summer style union suit. Also no collars or bibs were ever made from actual rubber. They were made from celluloid however a company had "celluloid" trademarked and other manufacturer's had to call it something different, rubber was one of them. Cheers, Baron

[@AntiqueMenswear]

Hello, Baron! I tried to reply to you earlier, good Sir! I know we've already had a conversation regarding this, and I thank you kindly for the information, and I'm commenting here just to make sure I haven't mislead anybody into thinking that these are the ONLY type of shirt Victorian men wore, because that simply is not true; of course there are the full shirts that I can't wait to talk about in another video! :D

[@Agrippa31BC]

In clerical wear we still do a lot of it. T-shirt under the cassock, with a floating clerical collar attached to a black silk bib inside the cassock, and fake cuffs, specially during summer.

[@arthurpaes9694]

yes! please make more videos!

[@Vintagebursche]

Congratulations on your first video and the powerful endorsement! ☺️

[@canfieldhandcraftedsoaps]

In the David Lean movie "Hobson's Choice" the main character carefully changes from his cuffs and collar and I always wondered if it was accurate. Very cool to know that it is! (Also a great movie). Hope you make more videos, I have three brothers who all want antique style clothing!

[@jeff62ish]

I just discovered your channel yesterday, and am enjoying your informative and enthusiastic videos. I collected a few similar items when I was your age and really enjoyed exploring it. My mother taught me how to starch shirts and collars when I was growing up, and I still sometimes do my own that way. I have a suggestion on the double collars, especially the club collars. When you stand them to fully dry and stiffen, loosely tie a necktie around the outside of each one. It prevents any spread while they are stiffening, and really makes them look smart, especially the closed-front types. An experience I'd like to share -- in my Ohio home town there was a family owned men's clothier that opened in 1866 and closed about 20 years ago. For their entire 130+ years in business, they often moved unsold clothing into their attic at the end of a season and never retrieved it. So there were racks of never-worn men's clothing from all these decades in varying states of care, and they began selling them off at a local antique shop. I bought a few items but was of too modest means to buy much then. It was so much fun seeing the real things and imagining them on that floor 100 years earlier.

[@Charlotte-qb1xh]

I'm not a man, but I also think it's very interesting, and you explain all of this so georgous. I hope we seen a lot more videos from you 🌼

[@berivanozkocak2446]

Bibs are genius inventions. Shirts look quite bulky under sweaters or vests. We should be using them more often. And it is quite nice to see a video about antique men's fashion. I hope you make more videos. And since now you are in Japan, antique Japanese fashion can be a really interesting topic.

[@clarabrown9743]

Thanks for the names of the ticket pocket in the jacket, and the frogmouth pocket in the trousers, as I had been seeing these features lately. Ladies' fashions also had shirtfronts called plastrons in the 1880-90s, and ones called vestee in the 1910s were, perhaps, sewn to the garment.

[@RolandSalazar-g2e]

I make all these items. Glad to see your showing us how they attached etc. Give us more!

[@BigBoiClimbs]

1.6k subs? can't wait to see you hit 1.6 mil. This is a great channel for everyone.

[@kmittens1528]

Honestly, I love you.

[@sambradley8084]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge ! Can't wait to see what's coming up next. Hope you will do well and you will have a nice day !!

[@Indefatigable-t2h]

Really interested history of clothing from a fashion viewpoint as well as practical.

[@oxyboy1512]

Omg this was just what I was researching thank you so much!

[@sensibilitypatterns]

Jolly good fun! Keep it up! Karolina tipped me off, and now I've subscribed!

[@dessakat]

Mr. Darling from Peter Pan has a shirt front... There's a whole bit with him getting ready, and Michael and John using his shirt for a map, and his cufflinks as buried treasure. xD Also, meme mom sent me. Hi!

[@TamarHestrinGrader]

Fascinating! Reminds me of Peter Wimsey’s disquisition on the varieties of malfunctioing shirtfronts in Gaudy Night - mid-30s, of course, but still common, evidently. I’m sure you find the passage as memorable as I do! Have just had your channel brought to my attention, and enjoyed the whole thing very much. Wishing you a safe and swift recovery!

[@Zefrenm]

I recently wanted to recreate late 19th century drawers and came across a pair with Brace tapes and hand sewn buttons. they are loops to thread the brace loops through and they hold up the drawers about half an inch above the trousers. It would seem to suggest that the trousers were unlined and these drawers were more of a lining than underwear. The fly naturally opens when worn at the waist. It came as shock to think that the Dress shirt was tucked in first and served as a hygiene layer for body fluids from neck to knee and the open fly would offer support if the shirt was bloused a bit in the front. The examples you have in your video and a few of working class men have the drawers peeking at the waist. In the cutters literature of the time the shirts are called negligee shirts with front button models called coat shirts with the left panel sweeping from center front out to the mid right thigh. great information

[@sarahnichols8485]

Love vintage men’s ware :) keep making videos! I’m interested in making reproductions more than collecting the real thing. It is hard however to get the look and the feel of an object because it isn’t something that can be described well through old photos alone (even new photos of extant garments and accessories). I definitely want to see more!

[@AntiqueMenswear]

I shall endeavour to make a video about some of the great reproduction companies I have come across!

[@sarahnichols8485]

@@AntiqueMenswear That would be excellent! I am also making my own reproductions as well. If your interested in some old movies that show more layers of clothing in society (with detail in the clothes) Hobson's Choice shows a "detachable bosom", collar and cuffs in use.

[@WhimsicalBlades]

Karolina sent me here. Good to see more guys interested in historical clothing!

[@markusoreallius8625]

I worked briefly in Brent Menswear, a shop in N London and in 1982ish we still occasionally called shirts C/As or collars attached. It was printed on the shelving too

[@shell2835]

Hope u do more videos 💗

[@bardin35mm]

This gentleman over here has such an amazing sense of humor hahaha!

[@vintagelife5195]

Just found your channel. Friggin awesome!!!!!! Had to subscribe.

[@christianlehr9143]

Love the video. May I ask where do get your trousers, and how do you measure yourself for fitting?

[@elegantgent9948]

Hey there! I just got this recomended by a spanish friend of mine and this has been very helpful for me (as I live in a tropical island, so thank you so much) and I can't wait to see more of your videos!

[@sweetthistle8]

Came from Karolina's channel. I want to see absolutely everything in your collection you mentioned with similar historical commentary. Glad you started up and keep them coming!

[@1947Desoto]

This was VERY enlightening! I honestly had no idea they faked the shirts back then and had always thought the bibs were for tuxedo shirts! 30 seconds in I then understood Chaplin's costume (which makes all the more sense since he is supposed to be dressed like an 1880's banker).

[@bipbiplechuga2286]

I honesty love this. I’ve been looking for something like this for a long time

[@imdrum6881]

Excited to have more videos about these kind of things! Finally antique mens fashion!! Also your voice is lovely, this was very relaxing yet informative and funny to see

Fascinating! The Bib, in Sweden we call them "Söndagsblad" - "Sunday Leaf".

[@bodgit1964]

Brilliant thank you. Theres a bit in Hobson's choice (1954) where John Mills gets dressed. I understand it now

[@eeloftheworld]

This is such an informative video, well done boiiiiii

[@nateranger783]

This is the first of your videos I have watched, very interesting and as you where saying in the bits you had made several years ago you seemed very confident, which is a problem with most of peoples early videos, my meaning being the person lacking confidence.

[@NeptunoFerrallas]

Men, you have an amazing talent for communicates your love for this things to others. Thank you so much for your labour

[@dinodom000]

This is actually really amazing. It's neat to see that vain people are still vain people in any time period. It's easy to see the pictures from the past and assume they reflect reality. I never took the time to think about the effort people in the past had taken to imitate wealth. It's cool to see a real representation of the lengths people would of gone to trying to impress their peers. Nothing's really changed! Thank you for taking the time to show this. I subscribed. Hope to see more like this!

[@joesilvas4299]

I myself also dress in Edwardian style clothing. I am actually very happy to see that there is somebody else who also does the same.

[@imdrum6881]

Also, I would be really interested about the hat collection, the differences between eras and fabric and even where to get them! :D

[@vavvivi3303]

youtube recommended you to me and this is so incredibly fascinating! I love how you calmly explain everything and this was sooo cool to see. Not enough people talk about historical menswear which is what I'm way more interested in. Thank you, new sub and I look forward to more from you!

[@kanashiiookami6537]

Subscribing because I want more! I love this content! Just the info I've been looking for. 👍

[@mimmikibilly]

Actually, the look at 1:58 looks lize Zidane's attire in FF9, sort of. Anyway, I instantly subbed, we need more history on menswear. No pressure though, just do what you feel like doing!

[@djunaskye6220]

Hope to see another video from you soon!

[@ianbest4866]

John Mills in Hobsons Choice is a good example of the false shirt front. Great video 👍

[@AntiqueMenswear]

Yes! Charles Laughton in the same film wears one, attached to shirts!

[@DragonheadSkilax]

Do you know the shop fogeyunlimited? That can be a place to find vintage styled undergarments! Ive gotten a york front boxers and long sleeve under shirt from there before, theres also a one piece union suit as well in the shop.

[@kh9545]

I looked up your videos because of Chaplin's antics! ☺️🙌 Very cool info! 🙌

[@jaoakland1]

Hence the saying - as long as collar and cuffs match! Also the regular complete shirts were made so you could put paper collars and cuffs on them ( these were the parts that got soiled easily so were discarded). Love your video

[@mayafantana5310]

Great first video 👍☺️

[@lawrencescales9864]

I’d be happy to see more of your extant pieces!!

[@uuyukahonkodomo3278]

Great video :) very informative and quite entertaining. I would love to see something on evening wear or possibly differences between edwardian and victorian fashion ;)

[@nicford]

Sir, your videos are engaging, as well as usefully informative; good social history and a boon to all gentlemen who wish to dress en epoque. My grateful thanks. Your name should be on the next Birthday Honours List.

[@paulinetrivago.7540]

Wait, those stiff bibs were a real thing!!!, I remember those from old cartoons like Tom and Jerry. I figured it wasn't real, kinda like how shows like to depict a crinoline flying up when the woman sat. That's really cool!!

[@TheAlexaJacks]

Thank you for making this video! I would love to see the rest of your collection.

[@lisawallace2237]

Just found your site. That's that was super interesting.

[@kallandar13]

Karolina sent me as well, and I’m very glad she did!

[@karynwith-a-y6686]

Very good work! Enjoyed😊

[@mishadasari]

I follow you on instagram, I'm really glad to see you've started a KZbin channel! I'm very interested in hearing from you 😊

[@mariahca240]

So cool!

[@marshallemmet1366]

You should make a video explaining where you can buy a lot of this Edwardian/Late Victorian period fashion!

[@Agrippa31BC]

Also, I’m gonna start getting my clerical bobs made with this extended collar band. Great idea.