Why They Changed Stranger Things Season 4’s Ending And What It Means For S5

[@MichaelJaeYT]

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[@ParkerCS2]

I like the dynamic that Vecna and The Mind Flayer have where they disagree on how to handle things. Vecna is more concerned with killing and destroying, while the Flayer is more concerned with enslaving and consuming. But they still tolerate each other because they both want to escape and invade earth and share domain over The Upside Down. So Henry isn’t really the master of The Mind Flayer, and The Mind Flayer isn’t the master of Vecna. They are partners in crime. Despite what Vecna keeps telling the Flayer, he isn’t really fully dominant as The Flayer is actually willing to be used by him, and The Flayer although wishing for Vecna to hurry up and speed up the process is still patient with waiting to escape and enter earth’s dimension.

[@alaja.mp3]

Ngl thats why I believe that next Vol there will be another villian, or they will reval the Source etc. Dustin did say Vecna is the "Five star General", The mindflayer and Vecna are fueled off pain which I believe is controlled or encouraged by another source that shows its abilites to its "generals" which fuels their dreams of revenge (Vecna) and taking over the world (MindFlayer).

[@alaja.mp3]

Also I believe 11 somehow is gonna end up in Vecna's mind to figure this "source out" and save max "if she ends up blind or in that coma" what happen once henry got banished by eleven.

[@evanswartzentruver7861]

“The mind flayer” was just smoke and dust untill Henry found it and then shaped it into the mind flayer. I’m pretty sure “the mind flayer” is literally just Henry. “It was you, it was you all along”

[@drenandtarb]

I did interpret billy as someone who needs love in the show. Not necessarily a girlfriend but just people who can give him the support in his life that he is lacking. Especially the way he was so grateful to eleven after she showed him some compassion that he sacrificed himself to safe everyone.

[@drenandtarb]

I just woke up sorry about my sentence structure. 😅

[@IAmHavok]

The Billy wanting to be loved thing makes perfect sense when you think about how people tend to run away from the things they truly want out of fear of not being worthy of it.

[@Pap602]

I think Billy puts on that tough guy/player persona to mask him, really wanting love.

[@sagamaraia]

People that have had abuse instead of love have learned abuse instead of love. Some of us experience it, some act on it. Sounds horrible but it is a bit logical too as people get easily conditioned to almost anything.

[@Pap602]

@@sagamaraia yeah I can relate

[@hanburgundy4317]

​@sagamaraia This is true. I was always a nice kid, but I got picked on by everyone - friends, family, teachers, etc. - and so I learned to be mean to everyone else; and the disgusting part of that when I was an alcoholic being openly shitty to all of my friends, I had the most success in life. People LIKE jerks; they find kindness a weakness and off-putting - they think it's fake.

[@edoboleyn]

@@hanburgundy4317 You are mistaken. The people who value kindness, honesty, and decency will not reward jerks. You can manipulate generous, kind-hearted people only because they’re assuming you have good intentions, but that will never result in a meaningful bond or relationship. As long as you behave that way, decent people will never actually like or value you-because frankly, you’re not giving them any reason to do so.

[@edoboleyn]

Okay, Billy suffered abuse at his father’s hands and he wants love-but that doesn’t excuse that he in turn became an abusive POS.

[@Blueboysback]

I want to see Mike regret not being able to say goodbye to Eddie in season 5

[@IVY_LVJY]

I want to see him regret not paying attention to Will in season 3-4.

[@Blueboysback]

@@IVY_LVJY Yeah the ideas could lead towards a great arc for Mike in season 5

[@labyrinth123]

They weren't really bffs

[@Maxy_hype]

@@IVY_LVJY why do people push ts so much he has a gf will ain't the most important person in his fucken life not even close

[@Maxy_hype]

@@cark4702 Hes neglecting him because he lives in a different state

[@Nioclas64]

Letting a jar of black widows loose in a little girls room is sadistic AF, when I was a kid I got locked in a room by my abusive father, the room had a spider infestation, now I'm 27 and still arachnophobic.

[@Rosietea]

I'm sorry you had to go through that. Wishing the best for you here on out!

[@Lomaisundisputed]

Wish you the best man

[@murdock8068]

Same but abusive stepmother. No spiders. Just her...

[@hanburgundy4317]

Same, but abusive spiders. They locked me in a room infested with people.

[@misterdeer5261]

damn, your father turn you into a bigot

[@caseydonners9220]

The whole Billy wanting love may seem like a stretch but I can understand why the played it that route. He was abandoned by his mother the only person in his small world at the time that loved him and cared for him. Throughout his whole life he’s probably hated his dad which makes sense so there’s no connection between the 2 of them. In s2 and 3 he’s abandoned by his “little sister” another woman who where he might not have shown his love for her he’s loved a lot. Sometimes people who are so badly hurt like to fall into a routine with people no matter how bad of a routine it is so his routine with Max constant back and forth and him being controlling to make sure she stayed with him is his routine. Her making friends with people her age AND people older than her like Steve isn’t apart of his routine they aren’t in his safe zone you could call it. Her defending them from him is her breaking out of the routine is her abandoning him. I feel like he finds people he can control and lets them get close cuz he believes that they won’t abandon him then they do and he loses it for a while till the next victim comes along and repeat. So he just desperately needs someone that’ll stay with him and that’s why he says stuff like “want to tie them up and put them in my trunk” plus he’s hot so it’s probably hard to find sincere people.

[@gemeaux333]

So Max survive but her mind get corrupted... and she awoke (even briefly) after getting revived ? Does that mean Max is going to be an anti-hero in season 5 ?

[@pr3ttyface.loulou]

But how though? Did she gain something?

[@gemeaux333]

@@pr3ttyface.loulouShe is most likely to get powers (like Vecna, Eleven or Kali) like regeneration in the present case, after all Vecna said they are poisoning her mind by fighting inside, by poisoning could mean altering...

[@pr3ttyface.loulou]

@@gemeaux333 🤔your on to something with that

[@gemeaux333]

@@pr3ttyface.louloubesides, the Duffer brothers got their inspiration from Maxine 'Max' Caulfield from the game "Life is Strange"

[@adventurekitty101]

@@gemeaux333Really? I had no idea. I can see the parallels now, both being named Maxine with the nickname Max, both having similar last names, with Caulfield and Mayfield. The spunky, and tomboyish personalities. Lol

[@TheFrayer5632]

I think the Shadow Spider form was what the Mindflayer had mean't when it said "We will evolve into a new being"

[@elizabethclairewolfrosenda3391]

Regarding Heather (and other Flayed Billy) victims being eaten by the Meat Muppet far earlier in the game than the show, isn't it happening in the Void? I thought it was Billy's perception in the Void Space that *represents* the Mind Flayer "devouring" the *consciousness* of the victims he brings it. Even though their bodies were still walking around in the real world, their *minds* had already been irreversibly consumed.

[@ParkerCS2]

That’s how I perceived it too! The Void is just a pocket dimension showcasing a more complex event happening in the form of every Flayed victims consciousness becoming part of the meat Flayer avatar body to become a collective Superorganism similar to the Upside down dimension. And before they became melted slop they acted as droned lackeys. So the void was a more abstract showcasing of their free will being taken by the Mind Flayer and them becoming part of its collective.

[@ScottIsReal]

I think Will's flashbacks will be these in season 5

[@ssjaang9284]

Is this game canon to the main story? Because if so, thats literally crazy. Will seeing vecna, the mind flayer existing before and manipulating henry, the idea that vecna might have made the upside down like hawkins and not will, all this stuff is somewhat contradictory but also quite interesting when paired with the show

[@ParkerCS2]

This game’s lore along with The First Shadow probably is going to be incorporated into the final season. By the way, regarding will I think he might’ve thought Vecna was was just a different form of The Mind Flayer when he was possessed by it. Because The Mind Flayer and Vecna are two different entities but will didn’t really know what was going on, plus he kept losing memories so maybe Vecna made him not remember him interacting with him.

[@ParkerCS2]

Also, The Mind Flayer totally makes since to already had existed as the upside down was established as a superorganism so therefore The Mind Flayer is basically the intelligence while everything else is drones and cells and energy. The Upside Down is basically one giant eldritch being. The Vines also were already sentinent moving by themselves and seemed to be independent, and they moved by themselves when the portal closed after Eleven banished Henry to the other dimension.

[@krpowe6663]

​@@ParkerCS2 Yeah but I would have preferred Henry not to be manipulated by it. I loved how he decided to get free. Okay it was brutal and not good, but he tried to get free.

[@ParkerCS2]

@@krpowe6663 I do agree with him being that desperate to get free he went too far, and he by his own accord did certain bad things. But also this Vr game showcases he still was human and wasn’t 100% a monster at first who wasn’t born evil and was just an outcast who eventually got too fed up that he snapped. And he became even more evil and worse once he got banished to the other dimension and teamed up with the mind flayer and connected to the hive mind.

[@SugarMousse]

They should put this lore in the 5 season, not all the people will play or know fhe game and it explains so many things

[@ParkerCS2]

They most likely will as well as the lore from The First Shadow. This game is obviously hard canon.

[@MiotaLee]

They will put what is needed

[@ParkerCS2]

@@MiotaLee exactly

[@krpowe6663]

​@@ParkerCS2Not everything I think. Henry not being in the coma right after trying to kill his family doesn't make sense. After all Jack Thorne participated and The Cursed Child wasn't that good so... Not surprised.

[@kritichaplot5025]

That is amazing! I hope we get to see some of this backstory in the final season. Would love see cameos of Dr. Brenner too since he is so crucial in filling up these gaps.

[@watertommyz]

That's a heavy retcon, because it was inplied Henry made the Mind Flayer.

[@ParkerCS2]

Either the Duffers changed their minds and listened to fan criticism, or weren’t explicitly clear what they were implying in S4 and it was always intended as the hive minded ruler of the upside down and Henry just joined its hive mind and team up with it to take over more worlds including earth. Either way, I’m fine with it because it keeps the mystery of the upside down as over-explaining kills horror, and cosmic horror is scarier because it can’t be explained. Plus, not all evil needs to come from humans, as Lovecraft horror entities and supernatural forces are just as terrifying for stories. Vecna wasn’t even that scary anyway and was just a whiny incel. The Mind Flayer is more scary imo and it just already existing is satisfying as it being influenced by Henry was just stupid. Not all horror monsters need to be created by evil humans. Same with Xenomorphs as them being created yesterday by an incel android is also retarded. Xenomorphs can’t just exist?! Xenomorphs can definitely exist without being created by humans, as like I said humans being always the evil behind all evil is just boring and stupid.

[@axelholweger9624]

@@ParkerCS2 I agree with most but calling every bad guy an "incel," an internet-made word, is dumb

[@ParkerCS2]

@@axelholweger9624 yeah I agree. I couldn’t think a better word. I think generic, one dimensional, or bland would’ve been better words to describe

[@axelholweger9624]

@@ParkerCS2 It's ok 👍, i think generic could be because their motivations feel a bit "superficial" And i always liked the idea of MF being the big evil one and same with Xenomorphs but the idea of Engineers trying to use them as a chemical weapon is cool too

[@ParkerCS2]

@@axelholweger9624 my theory is that the engineers didn’t fully created the Xenomorphs and instead just brought them back from extinction to use as a biological weapon. The black goo is like old fossilized dna of the Xenomorphs.

[@arithedragon6198]

OKAY so. This whole game actually plays really well into my personal theory about where the story is going in Season 5. My personal theory, is that Eleven represents the Hand of Vecna, Will is the Eye of Vecna, and Max would be Kas. Max is the only character who was killed but then resurrected, Kas was resurrected, and became Vecna's right hand man, but ended up betraying him, and was the reason he was defeated. Vecna has 100% established connections to Max, El, and Will, but no body else in the party, directly at least. The fact that this game REALLY focuses on Max, Will, and Eleven, really lends credit to this theory in my mind. I think that these are the characters who will die, maybe one more character, or maybe they will survive after fighting through their fears? But I genuinely think that these are the characters who will die in Season 5, and that these are the reasons why they are so important, and why so much focus is on them in Seasons 4 and soon 5.

[@keepgoing335]

The Mindflayer and other creatures in Dimension X remind me of Gravemind and the various Flood forms in Halo. Which makes Eleven the equivalent of MC John-(11)7 in the ST universe, and Mike is the equivalent of Cortana. Just like El and Mike, the MC is the brawn and Cortana is the brains

[@chelsealynne07]

I may or may not have cried at the additional max lore

[@ParkerCS2]

The Mind Flayer is totally a mirror of Darth Sidious and Henry aka Vecna is obviously Darth Vader and Eleven is definitely Luke Skywalker.

[@adventurekitty101]

You talked about The Stranger Things VR game like it was available for all VR headsets, yet I can only find the Meta 2 version which is for the Oculus Quest only. I only have a Oculus Rift S. I really wanted to check it out myself. *Cries in only having PCVR*

[@alyxvoorhees]

immediately interprating Billy "wanting someone to love him" as just him wanting a girlfriend is absolutely the wrong interpration of what the game was showing There's more love than just romantic love, like familial love. And I get that he talks about wanting to kidnap girls so they can be together and all that creepy stuff, but that's probably because he just wants someone to love him in ANY way and the only person who DID love him (that being his mother) left him. The guy is desperate for love from anyone who'll give it to him, but he's definitely focused on love from women. The only way he knows HOW to get love from women is to sleep with them.

[@Creatives_2009]

So in cannon the mind flayor is using vecna and is essentially his conciseness so Dustin was right when he said vecna was his 5 star general

[@ParkerCS2]

Exactly. The Duffers never intended for us to believe Vecna was the evil behind everything. He’s just an evil person who teamed up with a greater evil because it understands him unlike Eleven and didn’t reject him. It’s a Darth Vader and Darth Sidious dynamic basically

[@Creatives_2009]

@@ParkerCS2 yeah and essentially Eleven could be seen as kenobi since her and vecna basically have that dynamic

[@ParkerCS2]

@@Creatives_2009 exactly. Or like Luke Skywalker.

[@Louieelijah]

Such a stupid decision to just 180 the story after releasing an entire season heavily implying Vecna as the ‘big bad’ What a shame.

[@ParkerCS2]

@@Louieelijah good thing the duffers retconned that in their canon side material such as The First Shadow and Stranger Things VR (2024) which have heavy lore which probably are going to be incorporated into the final season. So don’t worry they course corrected because they already set up The Mind Flayer as the big bad in the beginning and making it supposedly a creation of Vecna was stupid and ruins the scariness it had as it was an eldritch primordial being that couldn’t be explained and just existed. Either they course corrected or maybe weren’t clear what was happening in that flashback and decided to fix the mistake by establishing Vecna didn’t create the mind flayer it already existed as the hive minded intelligence of the other dimension and Vecna merely joined the hive mind as its herald and both have equal control over the Upside Down.

[@DontChaseReplace]

They were going to release stranger things by telltale a choice based game but it was cut sadly, that would have been epic too😞

[@ParkerCS2]

Exactly such a shame

[@DontChaseReplace]

@@ParkerCS2 yep the walking dead was top tier that would of been too😮‍💨😮‍💨

[@christopherclark5804]

Season 2 of the game feels like five nights at Freddy's 4

[@Tomy_Yon]

The animations are stunning! 😮

[@bluemoongames386]

It was an amazing vr game, I got to play it on my vr headset

[@ParkerCS2]

I hope that rumored anime Stranger Things: Tokyo actually is happening. Sounds cool!

[@Luks.garc1a]

In Chapter 6 There is a monster that looks close to what Nancy describes, yes it's the flesh mind flayer from season 3, but it has a different look, could that be what we will have in season 5? BTW The fact that the monster has his face up vertically makes me wonder if it will come out of that giant gate vertically and stay like that, just eating nearby people

[@shifashahine2005]

I love your stranger things videos.

[@shailendarjat2000]

its great watching your videos, i always learn new things about stranger things

[@GreenSonicArt]

I’m gonna play when my headset gets done charging

[@jackcasey1400]

Can we get a like a episode that recaps the story of each season I tend to forget little parts of the earlier seasons

[@369frequencyandvibration]

This is so eerie given the myths (or are they?) about remote viewing experiments in the cold war 😮

[@LiamB-xn5hb]

I love max!!!!!!! And I don't how they killed her off for a whole minute

[@ChaosRain786]

He sleeps around because he's looking for that connection, looking for someone to love him. It seems pretty straightforward to me

[@pr3ttyface.loulou]

Can the chip still be used on henry or made?

[@Neddoest]

I don’t understand. What did they change?

[@Urfavouriteperson107]

They don't really 'change' anything more just added depth and a different look into what's been happening

[@OuterEarthling]

i believe the flayer is a physical manifestation of henrys powers unrestrained and in another realm, which i think is henrys mind. Either that or Brenner is Actually a demon and actually the flayer.

[@shahinmotamedi654]

No

[@afckajjansi]

it's will, not brenner.

[@ParkerCS2]

No. The Mind Flayer already existed as the hive minded essence of the upside down and merely took the form of shadow Brenner to easily communicate with its new ally Henry. The Mind Flayer and The Upside Down are a giant Superorganism and it’s basically the intelligence while the fauna creatures and energies throughout are like little cells and stuff you see in a body. The Demogorgons Demodogs and Demobats are clearly like drones from an ant colony or bee hive that serve leaders like queens or whatever, which The Mind Flayer is technically the queen/king/heart/brain/battery power of the parallel dimension. It’s something beyond comprehension just like anything from Lovecraft horror.

[@OuterEarthling]

@@ParkerCS2 I disagree. I believe it was created by something or is actually something we know. I understand the idea of what a biologically is and what it does, but where did it come from and why is it in the upside down which is basically trapped in time? Either it is a manifestation or the negative emotions of the test subjects or it's the power source from which they pull their power, like cyclops in the X-Men pulling all of his energy for his optic blasts from another dimension

[@ParkerCS2]

@@OuterEarthling well. I disagree with you. The Mind Flayer didn’t come from Henry’s imagination! It already existed! It’s not a manifestation of his powers and crap. It was the dominant life form of the other dimension. You didn’t pay attention to the game did you? Lol

[@sarahdyball5241]

I have the vr headset just not The controllers 😭😭😭😭

[@kyellyisrael2944]

I am a Big Stranger Things Fan I love the video so much because of the story, but not only I like this game but I would like to know what the song is played at the beginning of this video? Great music to start for this video.

[@ScruffAnimations]

I got the game, it goes quickly depending on how much time you have, but it was worth the money very fun 🤩😁😎

[@kcrob6176]

6:50 lucas looked high asf

[@aidenjames8061]

What is this? Am I suddenly not finished with season 4?

[@mrdappercable]

"but a egg in you're friend's egg food" Mr dapper cable 2024

[@georgenelawson9917]

Destroyed the subscribe button like vecna destroyed Chrissy and those kids and bunch of Hawkins lol

[@cookiecreeperplayz]

The quest exclusivity prevented me from playing this game as a pcvr user...

[@ALLSPORTSEDITSPRODZ]

Love the video

[@itsjlurks]

Wait so this is canon with the tv show? Will already saw and knew about Vecna when he was vomiting Dart?

[@ParkerCS2]

He probably got that memory erased by Vecna and The Mind Flayer, or he thought Vecna was just another form of The Flayer. But definitely the former. The Mind Flayer when it possessed him made him forget details. So it probably erased his encounter with its herald/5 star general Vecna. That’s probably the best explanation.

[@carsonwilliams3033]

wait can someone tell me how it altered the ending though? was the title click bait?

[@EmpraMcdade]

Basically they just added more depth/detail into what happened during or in between the incidents of each season.

[@Not-_-Pabl0]

nice bro

[@The1nonlyALLISON]

Wait so who’s the mindflyer is it Vecna?

[@ParkerCS2]

No the flayer always existed as it’s own entity that controlled the Upside down. It’s not Vecna

[@DR.TheLaw]

Keep saying “berserk vibe” til I know what that means

[@Kuhlection]

What did they change in s4?

[@ParkerCS2]

IDK but they definitely confirmed the mind flayer already existed as the collective intelligence of the Upside Down as the alternate dimension is a superorganism entity and giant eldritch being.

[@fancyhoodlum]

Crazy how eleven was really Kas and betrayed Vecna in papas lab

[@RavenloftLore]

Does this mean we will get a reveal that she's a Vampire with a btichin sword?

[@soulserenade.kcn1992]

Who is Kas? I’m confused.

[@RavenloftLore]

@@soulserenade.kcn1992 Kas, in DnD lore was Vecnas one time partner now turned arch enemy. He was a Vampire that welded a weapon called The Sword of Kas. The 2 ended up being trapped in a pocket dimension called Ravenloft where the were at constant war with each other.

[@KonikaTheWhiteChihuahua]

Project Nina? Like little woman Nina…? (Did Agryle’s high ass figured something out? Maybe my brain is firing off the wrong pattern seeking)

[@conangray4ever]

did the creators of the show help make this?

[@ParkerCS2]

Most likely. This is canon as well as the stage play The First Shadow. Pretty heavy lore.

[@giyu_tomiok42189]

i think will is going to die with vecna because of their connection and he has to sacrifice himself for the death of vecna in season 5

[@DJ_Music_Man2]

Henry??? This FNaF now

[@hasherssaa]

Yay!

[@alliewilliams2447]

El will close all gates and kill Verna then she will sacrifice herself to save hawkings

[@krpowe6663]

The game makes me feel what we've learned in the play is truely official. It's alright but... Disappointing. I couldn't stay with Henry being sort of manipulated. I liked him wanting to get free and to start his own world (even though he did want to destroy the human world).

[@GingyPreston]

32 minute gang

[@stonytrees8573]

Questioning why I subscribe to this channel

[@chrisbchicken2135]

what the song 16:20

[@gilligunz5054]

dude, im so confused lol

[@KNEECAP.S]

What is it called

[@Red-Dead-Lumbago]

I am cheese

[@vivikmenproductions9347]

i have the game and im gonna say it ITS A MESS half of the time you dont know what to do teh game keeps glitching making you not progress tru it overall its cool but doesnt feel good could ahve been better

[@Garbgeatyoutube]

I like cookies

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Hey

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Tbh, I need a gacha reacton to this😋

[@UrJJgirlie]

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[@nugget1044]

this game is really good, but all the characters look SO bad. the only one that looks somewhat normal is vecna, and he just looks kinda dumb

[@Moistcrusades]

Hi

[@kurtsword]

lol

[@glitchingstudios2881]

2nd

[@spacekitt.n]

downvoting because the title has nothing to do with the video, dont even mention 'game' in the title

[@JamesPlaysGames-tm5oe]

This ain’t Reddit boy😭

[@breakingstuff4939]

:D

[@supremeleaderfrancisco9062]

yeah stranger things fell off 💀

[@educate3d]

Hopefully El dies. Would make sense that as long as she is alive Henry will still have a piece of him alive.

[@Moistcrusades]

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