Why they designed it this way: The Ibis Oso e-bike

[@TheAngryHusky]

Bosch really needs to do something about that god awful user interface.

[@rodrigopages1054]

They have to do something about their cable stuff inside e-bikes I can tell you that 😂

[@asifitmatters1]

They did, but Ibis chose to ignore it and use five year old components…

[@greg2biggers]

Love the hollaback to the Mountain Cycle San Andreas. I was the original product manager at Mountain Cycle back when we were in San Luis Obispo. Wrote the manual for the San Andreas. Coincidentally, back then we were also supplying our Pro-Stop hydraulic disc brakes to Scot for his Ibis tandem bikes. The OSO looks to be a worthy continuation.

[@willernst]

I love these chance coincidences on the Internet.

[@AdventureAwaits4u]

Nice seeing what the designer had to say and all the behind the scenes R&D. Great video.

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Thanks for watching! - Logan (video guy) at Fanatik

[@the510wagon]

Looks good. I love it when any company deliberately goes their own way with design & doesn't do the safe little sheep thing.

[@CactusJackSlade]

After being on my Oso for 3 months now... and seeing this video I can really appreciate what they are saying as per what I feel riding this bike. Just an awesome bike with endless fun, well ok, until you have to re-charge ;-) Thank you Ibis, Andy Han's, Scot and the rest of the crew!

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Glad you're digging it!! Dan P.

[@mtb_8796]

I think E-bikes that look like a normal mountain bike is innovation. Like cell phones, computers, and TVs etc. all are much compact and sleek now days and offer the same or better experiences. For me personally I’m big on looks after performance when it comes to bikes. The thing that has turned me off about E-bikes is the huge down tube and kangaroo pouch like BB area. That being said I’m not a E-bike hater and loved riding them the couple times I ridden them. Definitely see myself owning one someday. For now I’ll keep riding my Ripmo

[@EnduroPo30]

Exactly, for most of the riders, bikes ride really good. There aren't really a lot of bad riding bikes on the market. So we buy good riding bikes based on the looks. I prefer ebikes that are lighter and look more like normal bikes. Will stick with my ripmo too

[@rhysxj]

I agree on the lighter e-bikes. Seems like a cope after spending 5 years on a new model just to be behind the curve on a very popular, emerging class of ebikes

[@Raumance]

It's the stuff that matters when you don't have the bike. After you've had it you no longer care about that. Had the same feelings but I no longer think about it.

[@Raumance]

@@rhysxj It's a full power ebike... Not a mid drive...

[@mtb_8796]

@@Raumance that’s how I feel about most things in life, however not when it comes to MTB’s that’s just the way it is for me. With so many good looking bikes that ride good I choose to spend my money on something that offers both looks and performance. Take a look at the new Trek Fuel Ex E. That bike can kinda pass as a normal MTB. I have zero doubt that Ibis Oso doesn’t ride like a dream. After all it’s a Ibis

[@davewallace9048]

There’s no way around it the weight does matter on a mountain bike!! I built up my large Ripley AF at 29 pounds with a fox 36 on the front!! Love this bike!!! Been killing it!!

[@kerrywilliams6596]

Finally someone understands seat tube angle as riders get taller. Thank you.

[@netposerx]

Been saying for years that eBikes should have the option to allow accessories to use the bike's battery. Lights, wireless droppers, shifters etc. Good for Ibis for at least adding the lights.

[@rpiian]

That thing looks so freaking good with a dual crown.

[@teephud369]

Love seeing an interview with the designer! Great video!

[@Greyarcher1]

Best looking EMTB so far.....😍

[@stevobevo91]

Dope that it comes stock with Lupine lights, currently have those on my turbo levo for night rides, great additions

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Totally. Not sure where the negative comments on those are coming from. Seems like a no-brainer to me. - Dan P.

[@jokermtb]

+1 for having integrated lighting! The reason why bike companies make e-bikes that don't look like e-bikes is due to the poor state of legal status in the USA regarding allowing e-mtb'ing on State/Federal non-motorized dirt trails (aka mountain bike trails) - if they don't look like ebikes, the owners might not get accosted by park rangers or police. If only the cleverness that goes into these bikes could be focused at changing laws to allow eeb access on mtb trails

[@janeblogs324]

Exactly. You get pulled over by the police in Ausfalia for riding the footpath ffs

[@jokermtb]

@Dan P I've plopped myself into a Michigan DNR sub committee that can recommend changes for e-mtb's for non-motorized dirt trails. I've discovered that officials have no idea about e-mtb's, so it's basically educating from square one. It's going to be a long climb, but - since I've been in on a few meetings, where they actually hear about e-mtbs - the comprehension is sinking in, and that's progress.....long way to go, and aside from IMBA support and cheerleading for e-mtb'ing in the states, the manufacturers who are making these things are invisible from the law-changing perspective. Where are they? And why are they so silent on a product that many of us in an older mtb-demographic (we also are the only ones that can afford these bikes) will likely add to our quiver of bikes as we get older and creakier.....?

[@jokermtb]

@Dan P I might as well throw my hat into the ring, as waiting for others to 'solve' this issue won't happen anytime soon.

[@NoBrakes23]

Interesting looks. Nice to see the Shuttle has some DW competition. e-bikes aren't my jam, but I am curious how this one rides.

[@mkviz]

For 11K. That bike needs to be built in the USA

[@SanDiegoElectricBikes]

Thanks for creating and sharing. You rock.

[@federicodonadio5624]

Loved this video! No better review to get convinced to buy this bike than this video!

[@trailpimp6369]

The rebirth of the San Andreas Mountain Cycle. I love this bike

[@Scott-wz4sc]

@1.35 spaceship on the handlebars! Bosch need to employ someone with style to compliment their awesome motors

[@14erGuy]

Marin liked that swing arm design too.

[@chucksanson586]

Cool video - and great to see it’s designed with hd tires, brakes, size specific geo. Only one major disappointment is lack of a extender option. All the latest gen 3 eMTB’s should offer extenders

[@neilmouneimne5451]

Speaking for myself, a large extended pack makes it feasible to ride to the trailhead, climb 5000-6000ft in a mid-assist mode, and ride home. This typically consumes over 900wH but it also means the car can stay at home.

[@billryan8721]

Love the San Andreas look...had one in the mid 90's and it turned some heads in the Capitol Forest for sure. Smart move going with the Bosch other than the display and control. Sure seems mid power is the new trend but full is where it's at (it's an ebike), I'll ride my acoustic if want to go lighter.

[@mmodtomic7119]

We went mid power (Orbea Rise H) based on weight. After a long day of riding and thoroughly wearing ourselves out, ten (or more) fewer pounds makes a difference when we are loading these bikes on the rack!

[@jmtn6327]

San Andreas called, they want their frame back! : P

[@JeremyFacer]

It’s pretty striking that’s for sure

[@jdmtb]

The best Oso video out there. 🎉

[@FanatikBikeCo]

We appreciate it! - Logan (video guy) at Fanatik

[@doughuan]

can not wait to get one into my garage!

[@bimmerfan729]

Very interesting looks! Nice too see something different. Its like a Forestal and a Marin Wolf Ridge had a baby haha.

[@joelrunyan1608]

Swing arm is similar to the old pro flex frames too. Dope

[@rubbermoetroken]

Loose bolts in the DW setup at ca 40secs? Massive rearwheel deflection visible !

[@StarAZ]

Really wish they made an alloy version of it

[@richmck007]

Interesting indeed. But at between 10 and 17k for an ebike of this calibre, most riders will frown on it for the simple reason that it is expensive. The big three are competitive now with Ibis. This is still an elitist brand with class, but but not all customers can enjoy parting with that much money for a bike. It’s weight is not bad but can be improved. The position of that display unit on the handlebar is awkward as a tall person can easily hit it with their knee I believe... Something which should be moved or redesigned / modified to be interpreted better on the handlebar. I guess like all bikes, there is room for improvement. I bought the first generation and second Mojo designed by Roxy Lo and it cost quite a lot at the time but over the years it has done well for me and I have cared for it. I am still riding the 2008 version and to trade it now for an ebike… I think I will enjoy riding an mtb for now with the thrill between my legs being down to the Mojo and me… I hope in years to come, the prices drop due to demand or prices in raw materials and Bosch’s batteries being redesigned at a relatively reduced cost to the customer. Great informative video nevertheless.

[@geocrisanda]

It's near of the forestal bike. They bring almost the same solution My next bike will be:)

[@offroadrepairman]

Some heavy bong hits we done in the making of this bike😂

[@special66dog]

Looking to getting my 1st eMTB in the near future. Looks like a cool bike, like the specs, motor and color color. The amount of travel, travel options is a big plus. I agree with Andy that 160-180 is a sweet spot for travel Looks like a Session, I mean Mountain Cycle San Andreas. Not of fan of all the Bosch's huge controller and Display mounted on the handle bar. I think the Trek Fuel EXe is the cleanest looking ebike with the small TQ motor, minimalist handlebar controller, embedded Display in the top tube. The Transition Relay hits many sweet spots also. Clean good looks, good travel and mid power Fazua Ride60 motor. Same with the Pivot Shuttle SL (maybe a little more travel). Right now I would rather sacrifice a some power, and battery size for a bike that looks cleaner. The mid power eMTB look like a better option? Not sure since I've only done short test rides so far. We need a e-MTB Outterbike to test ride some bikes in real world situations! I like the new Ibis logo but Ibis should bring back the metal headtube badge with new logo!

[@Raumance]

Mid power is mid power. It's quite a difference in power. So you are losing a lot of what makes an ebike worth buying. You can keep speed up on rooty and rocky flat trails and push through. You can do long steep technical climbs. Going from 85Nm to 65Nm is going to be a considerable difference in those circumstances. Although if you are just pedaling fireroads and ascending real DH trails then there is much less downside to a mid drive. And I generally would advice against buying for looks because that's something that matters when you don't have the bike but once you've had it for some time it's just a tool and looks no longer matter. It's already problematic trying to find a bike with the right spec in ebikes. And sacrificing battery size is also a big nono because you ride a lot longer on ebikes and compromising on battery size again takes away from what ebike does. 750Wh battery on Bosch motor allows for 50km on the highest setting. For a full power I would not go for a battery smaller than 750wh and Shimano is the worst motor so definitely not that.

[@rondech2920]

Fantastic intro vid!

[@kroozctrl6284]

They took the crown from Eminent bikes as the nicest looking e bike

[@speedbird405]

Good video! As someone that seems to always be stuck between a large and medium sized frame, can you comment on your experience riding this? The reach on the large is almost too long to trust as suitable for someone in the 178cm range.

[@techdeezout9201]

Looks like a Marin bike…I forgot the name, but that swing arm design was on that bike a few years ago…update…The name of the bike was the Marin Wolf Ridge…

[@jsw5387]

That was my first thought as well

[@TheFullKanani]

Ah yes the Wolf Ridge - the answer to a question nobody asked

[@jsw5387]

@@TheFullKanani I asked but didn't post it

[@jbcookiii]

@@jsw5387 the wolf ridge seriously impressed me when they brought the demo models to moab. as long as i'm not having to work on them at least.

[@lars_atx]

Andy's asnwer on full 29'er on a medium confused me. Did he mean the M Oso can run a 29 rear, you just can't buy it from Ibis with 29 rear due to supply chain issues?

[@moshikbetinger9240]

Are you planning to raise the bb? Are you planning to plan room for a longer spring damper d holins example?

[@zmums]

Bike looks dope!

[@joelrunyan1608]

This guy has my dream job.

[@djjmann]

I totally understand this drive for this bike. But the cockpit user interface just seems so god damn busy....just when the biking industry is going wireless....you know...to e-liminate clutter.... lol

[@Viking7771]

Great vid thank you!

[@FanatikBikeCo]

You are welcome!

[@Scott-wz4sc]

Great for straight lining!

[@H3avyHaul3r]

looks great…though the bosch motor would appear to hang very low…can’t have it all i guess

[@koho]

That much added travel may be needed when it weighs 53 pounds. But not at 40 pounds, like the lightweight ones. Those ride much better IMO.

[@th_js]

Nice Subaru

[@FireLysm]

7:27 I don't agree at all. I'm all for e-bike, but what every biker wants is climb support, that's it. We don't want additional weight, we don't want hard to throw around bike... we want as low weight bike with support and that's what every company wants. Call them fake is just ignorant and not helping Ibis promoting their bike. -1 point on my side... and then 11:02 "our goal is to make it disappear" dude you're contradicting yourself... pathetic. As for the interviewer props to him for having a honest opinion.

[@ultimatist]

Salient point made near the end: Ibis needs a 190/170 dual-crown build on offer ASAP. I'll be the first to buy. This bike is far too capable for 155mm travel.

[@falcosparverius1]

A twist or thumb throttle would solve the crank bashing issues in rocky terrain. I just don’t get why Bosch would offer that option.

[@rickflubadubdub4298]

Wow, cool another IBIS bike NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO FIND IN STOCK AND BUY. Like the Ripley.

[@FanatikBikeCo]

We've got both in stock right now! www.fanatikbike.com/products/ibis-ripley-v4s-frame www.fanatikbike.com/products/ibis-oso-e-bike

[@Iwo26]

Now make this bike with the new belt driven Pinion MGU and it's going to be the best ebike in US.

[@kenreed6254]

What trails were you riding? They look awesome.

[@FanatikBikeCo]

The e-bike accessible trails in the Chuckanuts! They are awesome. Dan at Fanatik

[@DaBinChe]

considering its new design why ain't the display in the frame?

[@FanatikBikeCo]

At the time of the design, the built in display was not available from Bosch. Those displays are actually still not available, although they have technically "released" it to the world. Basically, it would have delayed the launch/availability of the bike well over a year. - Dan at Fanatik

[@joelrunyan1608]

Only thing I don't like? Maybe should've incorporated the control panel into the top tube.

[@robertgifford1678]

IT seems like alot of drive systems limit max torque to 85nm. I have a three year old Rocky Mountain with 108nm of max torque. This is a noticeable difference. I have been looking at my next Ebike and most seem to be in that 85nm max torque area. Any insight as to why?

[@exalbino]

I guess it has to do with the battery, 85nm seems to be the sweet spot to get sufficient miles/hours of battery.

[@425flex]

I see the guy running a DH fork on his oso. Is the oso compatible with a dh fork?

[@425flex]

Nvm just had to watch the video all the way through 😅

[@mmodtomic7119]

I'm betting shop owners hate that polarizing swingarm. It's so Love/Hate that you just know half the Eeb buyers coming through the door are decidedly Not going to buy this bike. I really wish it looked as good as it works.

[@zianko]

"Large/extra large riders need more stay behind them" - *designs HD6 with fixed CS* :P

[@koho]

Would this DW link work well on an acoustic bike?

[@cliffsangelsphotography]

I love Ibis and the design, but that Bosch interface, excessive wiring, and headlight/taillight is hurting me

[@onlysendsmtb]

I love all the thoughtfulness in the mechanical design on this bike, but that swingarm is just too old school for me. Not that it matters, I'm not in the higher end Eebs market.

[@mzmtb]

Of course it rides great uphill. Its an E-Bike by the way?

[@thebrysonYT]

nice peel

[@WilliamrikerNCC1701]

Cool bike. Only $17k CDN, after taxes, approx. and for that you still don’t get carbon wheels, and you have gx drivetrain

[@janeblogs324]

Whoa, I'm 10 minutes in still waiting for the price. A 2022 honda cbr600 is 15k Canadian.

[@richmck007]

Only..!

[@tombenson8262]

Will a coil fit on it

[@FanatikBikeCo]

It will, the Fox DHX2 is approved for this frame. Cheers - Dan at Fanatik www.fanatikbike.com/products/fox-dhx2-factory-2-pos-metric-trunnion-2022?variant=39310614265902

[@Artcore103]

Bosch is ripping you off SO hard on their motor / battery combos... their margins are insane. Those parts don't cost NEARLY that much. A THOUSAND bucks for a 750kwh battery? You could get an entire decent laptop with a 100 (99.9) kwh battery in it, and how much of that cost do you think is the lipo? Very little. The motors are not expensive either. I would love to buy an eBike but the cost is still absolutely absurd... although, regular mountain bikes are absurdly priced these days too. When the cost difference between an equivalent ebike and mtb is >500, with at least this level of battery and performance (preferably more... give me a denser 1000 kwh battery and 500w motor) then it will be a reasonable choice with a rational price. I don't blame this high end manufacturer, their stuff is already expensive, it is what it is... but the mainstream companies still have to charge a ridiculous price for the bosch kit. It's not worth over one thousand dollars for that battery and motor, period... it's just not.

[@taylorhickman84]

I thought the same thing. I have a cheap ebike that uses a Samsung/LG 906wh battery that is $600, still overpriced IMO.

[@Artcore103]

@@taylorhickman84 yep good example. It'll get better in time.

[@austinwaller9012]

Man this looks oddly familiar to thurenfabs bike he was building 🤔

[@EnduroPo30]

It's a love child of Mountain Cycle Shockwave, Marin Wolfridge and a battery pack. Not really a fan of the looks. Like the ripmo and Ripley look, hate the mojo look. Bet it rides good but there are many ebikes that ride good and look way way better. Not always designing something different, that no one saw before is good. The lights are an awesome idea though.

[@FanatikBikeCo]

The look is pretty polarizing from my experience talking with coworkers. I personally like it, which I attribute to always thinking the Shockwave was the coolest thing ever when I was a kid. I agree about the lights. If you're gonna be lugging around a massive battery, why would you not integrate them. Thanks for watching! - Dan at Fanatik

[@jbcookiii]

That Marin Wolfridge was a seriously underrated bike. Climbed like a goat.

[@andrewsteavpack9079]

I like the look but funny you mention not liking the Ibis Mojo look as I have a Mojo HD4 that I ultimately got over a similar bike because I loved the unique look. I do like how the Ripley looks but the blue and orange Ripmo isn’t my favorite just for color ways

[@ethanrevitch]

😂 that’s not the DW link. Pulling a Yeti 160E Ibis.

[@Christophe_L]

My dude you should go see a voice coach. Love your videos.

[@zacharyord8618]

I'll still only buy a specalized ebike.

[@kenbest76]

Surprised that Ibis went with a full-chooch ebike and fully embracing the ebike mantra. I was hoping they'd go the "lightweight" / mid-power route. I never gave e-bikes a thought until I started seeing these lower-powered versions that seem to me like you're not cheating as much :)

[@jbcookiii]

I built up a 2021 Levo SL with a Zeb 170 fork and a DHX2 with a 55mm stroke for 159mm rear travel. Other than my previous SB130LR, its the sweetest riding bike I've ever been on. Eats up moab trails every day, no problems at all. Also, all ebikes should come with shimano 12sp for the shifting under load feature. With cush core and pedals the bike is 37lbs.

[@ichewtoast111]

this looks like a Marin Mount Vision

[@elkat_bori_pr7791]

Did he says, battery are not sold on its own? But before stating that he uses 2 batteries on a ride........

[@lars_atx]

He said IBIS is not selling battery on its own. They are only selling the IBIS frame mounting kits for the standard Bosch battery. The Bosch battery available thru other retailers.

[@FanatikBikeCo]

The bike does come with a battery, but if you wanted a second battery you would have to purchase it from Bosch

[@MarioXcore1]

That bike fits like no dropper

[@Zetler]

Because the other ways were already taken?

[@pmbsuspension]

Why a Fox X2?

[@Titnags]

My mind telling me yes. But my wallet, my wallet telling me HELL NO!

[@mit1978]

Asia well made bike😀

[@maplic]

The whole "supply chain issues" excuse is getting old. The fact that you cannot go full 29 on a medium is such a massive oversight, especially when they're making their own wheels. Ibis really flexing their unashamed unapologetic mantra on this bike, but it's nowhere near as on the mark as any of their other models. Kind of feels like because they started production early, and now they're realizing they're behind the curve on lighter weight e bikes, they're just staying the course and trying to convince people that outdated is better. Batteries will get lighter. Frame design will continue to improve. They'll still be trying to convince the world that this is still the future.

[@bryjb10]

E bikes should never have derailleur's. They should have gear boxes. I speak from a ton of experience. That said Sata Cruz makes some amazing stuff. thats the one thing i would change.

[@mjsmjs7905]

I've been seeing alot of these full suspension bikes with the cranks pushed back looks like it would be rough on your knees.

[@Cesar-cm4if]

I'm fascinated by bike designs, but it's sad how other companies can so easily copy the work from others, specifically when it took so long to do it. Anyway, something to keep it mind as well is that people shouldn't wear cpsc helmets for ebikes, they should wear nta helmets like xnito or bern hudson. cpsc helmets are only good up to 15 mph

[@MrGiboz24]

1 million euro thank you

[@scrutch666]

People like the lightweight emtbs because they dont feel like tanks in the air . Such a bs argument. Its has something to do with riding style . I dont need big motors. The orbea rise is for me a fun training tool for the easy training day. I use my normal bike for interval training and to hit my peak.

[@ridingdeep8530]

Get a room boys... That was painful. Apparently you've never ridden a Levo SL or any other (according to yourself) eMTB. These 50lb bikes will eventually go away, being super heavy isn't that much fun - personally I like a bicycle that feels like a bicycle.

[@kaseykohler1490]

Big meh for me, but it looks interesting. The weight for full fat ebikes is just too high it is NOT about esthetics as Jacques mentioned. They feel more like motos. Orbea Rise Trek Fuel EXE and Forestal are doing it right in that regard. Also I would say the more travel the better because the penalty for an ebike is almost nonexistent. Also the dropper sizes should all go up to the next size. Medium should be 180, 150 is just not enough drop on a medium frame. The cable routing is also kinda clever inside the frame but atrocious at the front.

[@neilmouneimne5451]

The problem with factory dropper lengths is that they need to pick one length that will fit everyone in the height range for that size bike. That isn’t going to optimize dropper travel.

[@jackhadland864]

I can't believe someone that works in the industry has never ridden a emtb, How could you keep your head in the sand for so long

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Can you elaborate? Dan at Fanatik

[@jackhadland864]

This is the biggest innovation to happen to mountain biking since the dropper post or 29" wheels. Just watch some EWSE footage. Ritchie Rude raced in a event a week ago

[@jackhadland864]

@Dan P I dare say your opinion will change over time. Too many professional riders and weekend riders understand that if you love mountain biking ebikes give you more miles on the trails in the same time. Rather than crawling up tedious climbs you options to save time and also ride up climbs that can't be ridden on non ebikes. If your a xc rider/racer than stick to your analogue 100mm travel bike. U.S riders need to get over the ebike phobia

[@jackhadland864]

@Dan P Also its called a category of mountain bike racing, if Ritchie chose to ride in a xc event, dh event or cycle cross event would he be using the same bike??

[@non_clemente]

When talking about design and then show me an ugly handle bar layout, sorry, but that discredits everything else said about the design principle for this machine.

[@kevinxodemonth]

Can we stop with the vocal fry, please? Otherwise an extremely insightful and interesting video!

[@kevinxodemonth]

@Dan P thanks for the frank reply, and apologies if I was curt or harsh. Now that you mention it, it does get “worse” as you go along. I think it only bothers certain people - I appreciate you recognising this. It would’ve been fair play if you’d just gone with “you can’t please everyone all the time” :D

[@duanecall9137]

Put that battery on a scale. 6 lb is a lie

[@Frank-gp6qr]

What's roxy?

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Roxy Lo is another one of Ibis's designers along with Andy

[@FreshToTheExtreme]

Whats that I hear? whiny motor noise....🍷

[@jdmtb]

Bosch is bad for noise.

[@glpf5]

The forced mullet for sm/MD frames is a solid miss for me; they've done this crap for years though (i'm a huge Ibis fan, 5 bikes from them between my wife and I over the years) like putting a light tune shock on all size medium frames was a poor choice as well because anybody who fits a size M frame weighs less than 165#....

[@chucksanson586]

Have you ridden a mullet on an emtb? It’s actually a great use case with high volume tires and shorter stays

[@pjsanab]

Longest dropper post size for a medium is 160mm.. wtf ?…That’s horrible.

[@FanatikBikeCo]

That is the size they have spec'd on the medium because its the size that will work for the widest range of riders on the medium frame. It doesn't mean you can't put a longer one in there if your do require a longer one! Just the stock spec.

[@pjsanab]

@@FanatikBikeCo can I fit a 210 Oneup Dropper ?

[@eugenux]

it is clear that it wouldn't be feasable as a business solution to build a separate carbon mold just for the size S... for the monolink, I mean, and that's why size S and size M share one length and size L and size XL the other. Awesome bike though but I do have two comments. 1st. it is a shame to throw mud into ppl and manufacturers that make lightweight e-bikes. Just because Ibis doesn't build one, it does not mean the others are a bunch of idiots that barely know how to breath. Some are getting older or are at a different stage in life when the amount of ride time is very limited, thus the fitness is limited but, at the same time, the idea of a 25 kgs ebike... and especially, the way a 25kgs bike feels on the downs is not something they want.. for them, a lightweight ebike is exactly what the "doctor ordered". You get the feel of a real mtb and a little motorized help to compensate the current lack of fitness. Some ppl really don't like the fat and heavy handling, the self stabilising effect and the damn weight of a full ebike; and just because some of us don't want full fat ebikes, it does not give the right to a ibis representative to shite on us. 2nd. at 11k, it really needs to have a performance elite fork. Kashima is just bling..no one needs it but the grip 2 damper, everyone could make use of that 2. bis. also, I know that every year, another set of colors are in trend.. but the black of the test bikes looked so much better than covid jade and borring blu. Beside those details.. awesome bike and I would love one... too bad I don't plan to spend 11k on a ebike.. and, even if I did, I'am that M sized guy that prefers the full 29er enduro bikes so.. mullets are not my thing. Also..until when we have to wait in order to be able to buy a frame only ebike?, I have a high end parts and components on my current bike... so why I would have to spend 11k to buy an ebike when I could just buy a frame, transfer all my high end components from a frame to the other and cash the former frame, thus, the expenses for getting a new bike.. woud be much smaller.. why we cannot do that?

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Thanks for writing in! To your first point, I disagree that Andy was calling anyone an idiot or any such thing, and would likely agree with your points. Your second point is a fair one, I suspect it was a cost saving measure. At the same time, with a bike this heavy, the very small changes to damping that a Grip2 damper allows for will not be very noticeable. Thanks for watching and for your feedback! - Dan at Fanatik

[@eugenux]

@@FanatikBikeCo thank you for replying. I disagree a little as I have been on rides on multiple ebikes and, while I do agree that no one needs 18 million clicks for their compression damping, I can very clearly feel a 2 clicks difference on my burly(heavy duty) build Giga; 1 click is more like a sensation but 2 clicks you can always feel, especially on forks. as for Andy.. it just felt a little condescending or not called for. Everyone is free to ride whatever makes them feel better and/or happy. For me, full fat ebikes are numbing the experience.. others love them. There aren't right or wrong ansewers or decisions...when you know what you are getting and what are you buying. Cheers!

[@janeblogs324]

@@eugenux fatbikes are for riding on snow or sand, or if you weight 150+KGS

[@taylorhickman84]

@@janeblogs324 Or if you are lazy like me when it comes to line selection

[@EarthSurferUSA]

3:53 Made in Taiwan. Made in Vietnam. We don't understand what increases poverty in the USA. If there was still free enterprise in the USA, we would be able to do it all.