Is this e-bike really worth $10k more than a dirt bike?

[@thedanperl]

Well y'all, it's been a long, fun trip, and we appreciate the heck out of you for being there for it. Fanatik is moving away from long form videos for now, and along with that, Logan and I are moving on to other things. You can still catch Logan working with Jeff Kendall-Weed behind the camera, and maybe if you're lucky, in front of it! I'm not sure where I'll wind up, but regardless, I'll be seeing you out on the trails. Sincerely, Dan P

[@Jacob99174]

You’re the man, Dan (and Logan)!!!

[@TomCollins-c4h]

Oh no. I'm sad to hear, really enjoyed your content and look forward to whatever comes up next for you. Wish all the best for you.

[@yeldawg907]

Dang Ive been enjoying the videos, best of luck Dan!

[@danielray1558]

Dang- the KZbin channel is how I became aware of fanatik. I’ve bought loads from you guys over the years including a custom build and a few custom wheelsets. Industry is in a tight spot, but cutting revenue generating teams never makes sense to me. Best of luck.

[@whitest_kyle]

Damn, definitely disappointed to hear that - have always loved your content with Fanatik!

[@twowheelsintransit]

I've ridden and owned MTB, EMTB, BMX and dirt bikes. For me the best ride I've ever had on a bicycle doesn't even come close to an avarage ride on a dirt bike. That being said if the avarage person asked me what they should choose I'd suggest a bicycle, they are so much easier to treat as a hobby. You can ride a couple of times a week, barely do any maintenance, pop to work or the shops on it or just very easily carry it with any vehicle you have. Dirt bikes really work as a full on passion, to get the most out of riding dirt bikes you really have to live your whole life around them, learning to maintain them, finding riding areas, requiring a dedicated vehicle to transport them, cleaning them every ride blah blah, for every hour riding I likely spend at least two on getting to ride the hour. For me it's well worth it but I understand it wouldn't be for everyone

[@jdmbeaner182]

Yup that's the big appeal of mtb for me. I can spend 1-3 hours riding and still have the rest of my day free.

[@aledh91]

With the ebikes you can also enjoy a 30 miles enduro ride with slightly less effort on long climbs, and “skip” that annoying part. Also Mtb/emtbs you can enjoy the silence, listen the nature and look around, explore new trails. Emtbs/mtbs are in Italy allowed every where, dirt bikes are the opposite, you’re basically illegal everywhere you ride

[@kevinburke1325]

Yeah, dirt bikes are fully illegal here in Georgia. The only bikes you are allowed to ride on trails are 1st class e mtbs. It's a waste of money to buy a dirt bike.

[@keltongines9575]

I thought the new xo derailleur was indestructible.

[@samdiaz6162]

Guess 😂 Not !!

[@lukelackermayer]

@@samdiaz6162it’s a 1/4in piece of metal, it’s replaceable, it’s the hanger and cage that are much stronger! I’m just glad we don’t have to buy a whole new derailleur nowadays!

[@loganpatricknelson]

We threw a new cage on and the derailleur was fine. Now I’m not one for electronic shifting, I run Shimano XT on all my stuff, but pretty certain any other derailleur would’ve been toast.

[@stephenlord599]

@@loganpatricknelson Most other derailleur 's cost less than the SPP8104010 Cage Assembly Kit... I'm running M8000 on everything but my eBike and that's running 8130 linkglide. as it happens just trashed the case on the linkglide but I could replace the entire mech 2.5x for the cost of the T-type cage assy and cage only almost 9x Regardless of standing on the mech in a specific way 90% of wrecked mech's are always the cage anyway...

[@JeffKendallWeed]

Fortnine does MTB!!! Hahaha that was a great video! Going to miss the awesome uploads for the next little bit, but also looking forward to more filming with Logan. Dan, wanna come ride with us one of these days? Would be sweet!

[@mattspen]

Please ride with them Dan, Jeff is so fun to watch! But my favorite content is buddies riding together. (Logan is fun! The more yew’s the better 🤘🏼)

[@jg2wheels]

From what I've seen, most mountain bikers can't moto, but good Enduro moto riders can shred a mtb. I have both, but prefer mountain bike. Cool video 🤙🏻

[@BodieMTB]

Dirt bikers are just overall better riders, they are going faster and bigger on a bike that literally has worse geometry for what they do lol The geometry of most dirt bikes matches the geo of an old school XC bike. But they still send it over 70 foot gaps on stock suspension lol Dirt bikers make good road bikers too, probably the best 2 wheeler riders in the world are dirt bikers. You don't survive long without being super skilled lol

[@aledh91]

I can ride both, but downhill i prefer to ride a mtb. Mtbs are nimble and easy compared to 100kg dirt bikes down a steep hills with ya rear brake on ya…feet!

[@FanatikBikeCo]

Logan is a great example of that. - Dan P.

[@Tumid1]

Coming from an MX background, then Mtb & now ebikes, I've found the best compromise.....a 2500 watt mid-drive ebike that weighs 65lbs. On tight trails (where you can't go over 30mph on a dirtbike), this bike is a weapon. Best of both worlds, enough power to go fast in the woods & not have to man-handle a 230lb dirtbike which you are only using 5-10hp most of the time. There is also the whole Surron category of emotos with 10-50hp that weigh 125-225lbs that when modified can do the job quite nicely & can be had for $ 4,000 - $ 15,000.

[@crackermun]

I ride an analog (Ripmo), eMTB (Levo), and 2018 KTM 300 XCW (live in Lake Tahoe so have a lot of diverse trails nearby). Cool video and I am often questioning what do I have the most fun on. Easily the Ripmo is an ass kicker in terms of exertion. The KTM is super fun on long rides but gearing up, bringing tools, noise, etc is something to consider. The eMTB is fun for 15-30mile rides with friends and we can hear/talk to each other, gear up/load up easily, and maintenance is a piece of cake. I think if I had to choose one I would probably do the eMTB over everything else because of the fun factor.

[@AcidGambit419]

Get a Talaria you can thank me later. Perfect compromise between an eMTB and an MX.

[@andersonsridebikes]

Trail access is definitely the key. I have quick access to several incredible MTB trail systems but I don’t have quick access to many good dirt bike trails or tracks. EMTB is the easy option for me

[@martinhayes5087]

I dont think its just the riding of the Moto that people to refer too. Its the fact that bicycle prices are so stupid now, that you could get something much more bang for buck, like a dirt bike, instead of a heavy, unreliable ebike.

[@barrakingbeatz7794]

I live both tbh…..I like mountain bikes because it’s just easier to get out and I have just as much fun! I love motor bikes because they scare the daylights out of me and the vast ground you can cover in a few hours….rode what ever makes you happy ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽

[@felix-ve8jk]

Ive spent the last 12 yrs mountain biking and before that another 5-6 years during jr high and high school. Saved up for a new mtb but eventually just bought a dirt bike. Love mtb but theres no replacement for the moto

[@loganpatricknelson]

I agree entirely! I love them both, love e-bikes, but there's just something about dirt bikes that's unbeatable.

[@pmaly9473]

Moto gives you more speed, distance and adrenaline rush (@ 60 plus mph). MTBs are easier to just go for a ride with less prep, cost and hassle, and are generally safer due to less weight and speed.

[@WilliamrikerNCC1701]

Trails, trails, trails. Where i live, there’s a lot of different options for mountain biking in different forests. Most of those forests are not open to dirt bikes. There are some dirt bike areas however you need to ride roads to connect forests, have a motorcycle licence, and need to have a lot more area to ride vs my MTB. On the other hand, if there were far more dirt bike areas compared to mtb riding spots locally, that would also influence my decision.

[@mtnbikerva1]

I have a KTM 300 XC, and that thing is about the most fun you could have! The problem is there are so many anti-dirt bikes/motorcycle people that there’s practically nowhere to ride. I also have a Pivot AM EMTB, and for now anyway there’s more places to ride it.

[@trailrider9582]

I ride both you guys forgot to mention it’s cost over 100$ usd to go on each ride (if you drive over a hour) gotta fill up the truck and bike. Also another thing with dirt bikes if your buddies aren’t as good as you, you won’t have fun because you can’t just have them walk a section like a mtb. But both are cool in their own ways

[@mtbboy1993]

In Norway Moto is illegal in nature, apart from enduro courses and MX trails, unless it's private properly. So you won't find many places with signs saying to not do it. But some exist put up by land owners. But class 1 e bikes are treated like normal bikes, but you can ride on the other hand you can ride on any hiking trail with few receptions like protected land, and where land owner says otherwise with a sign. I've seen some farms have MX tracks on them.

[@04RedFairLadyZ]

Like the ole saying goes. Get in where you fit in….buy whatever you want and have fun

[@Truth_Spoken]

As someone who rides both that was a fun watch. Where I live (northern Michigan) we have hundreds of miles of ORV trails for dirt bikes as well as several MTB trails all open to class 1 ebikes.

[@pauleddy5146]

I rode motos in the 70s. That said, You know I'm old. Back then, in my prime, we didn't have alternatives. Bikes were motos, bicycles were kid's modes of transportation or roadies cash dumpsters. Mountain bikes were whatever bike you had, ridden off paved track. I love 2 wheeled transport, for fun and necessity. Feet become outriggers in the snow, and you can go much faster safely than an auto any day. Both have a place, but with the advent of e assist, at 65, it helps me keep up with the group when I could not otherwise. Still waiting for something 30# or less, 5 hours ride time and around $5K. It's a goal. In the meantime, gotta muscle up an ebike or walk when I need to analogue. In the woods or on the road, I still do roadie, got a lot of friends there too, any ride is more fun than a couch.

[@hardmtnbiker]

Some of my friends bypassed eMTBs and are buying lightweight electric motorcycles. Some use regular mountain bike DH forks and shocks.

[@ThugZ3r0]

It's a great topic to discuss! And respect to dirt bike rider! He did many moves with steeze!

[@Zetler]

You can’t make anyone jealous and call you a cheater on a dirt bike tho. Ebike win every time for this reason. I like to remind acoustics that they’re poor, and if I have Crestline I’ll even be able to remind other ebikers that they’re poor also.

[@Chops00]

E-Bikes are like LARPing. Just get a dirt bike.

[@motionfactoryracing5914]

You need some Motion Footpegs for that YZ now. Increase your fun factor.

[@MAECTPOua]

Great video! Would also be great to include such "grey zone" things as compact electric ebikes, like Surron.

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

The moto. Every second, of every day, of every year.

[@strangehighways3]

I bought the canyon torque on cf8 two months ago, under 6000 usd with shipping. That bike is a beast and made very well. I can ride it anywhere. the closest dirt bike trails are an hour and a half from me.

[@grantbowen5047]

I don't miss the pitch black at 5pm part of Washington. WA is a nanny state when it comes to dirt bike access. Go across the border and it's a totally different story. Modern 2 strokes are so amazing and so much fun. The scene is way less annoying than MTB. Context, been riding Galbraith since 1990.

[@gvngoheavy]

Would be interesting to see how something like a surron would fit into this comparison/equation. I have no personal experience but would be interested to see how access changes now and in the future with these quieter and smaller/lighter machines?

[@nickbell3546]

Honestly the sweet spot for me right now seems to be retrofit mtb motors. CYC Motors X1 Pro Gen 3 can go up to 5000W of THROTTLED NON-PEDAL POWER. The motor weighs ~6 lbs and a battery of your choice can be between 5 lbs - 15 lbs depending on size. All for about $1900 pretax. The bike manufacturers right now can't legally sell above 750W without calling it a "dirt bike" so thats why you still have to pedal uphill on eMTB.

[@jamesg1425]

I’m looking into getting my first moto! I’m thinking a Honda CRF125/300L. I plan to take it on some 200 mile rides around the forests of AZ. Also, you guys built my wheel set for my MTB 👊😁 - And last video for a while? That’s unfortunate, but understandable. Hope to see you guys back eventually!

[@ethanmoore7833]

Can’t keep a dirt bike in a studio apartment lol

[@CRAAZYpants2]

So people shutting down dirtbike trails and tracks are the problem. Got it

[@miyui9269]

a dirt bike is more fun coz its budget friendly!

[@mtbboy1993]

I don't have any legal place to ride a MX bike anyway. Unless I go to sb.s farm with a track on it or to a MX or Enduro track, none near me.

[@TheAntoine191]

You dont have to spend 12000 to get a very good emtb. Half of that can get you high quality machine.

[@tomreeves2271]

What’s the opening an closing music used on this vid please?

[@loganpatricknelson]

artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/phenomena/115442

[@mrdrifty6580]

I have both love both. Dirt biking is so much gnarly then people know id say most mountain bikers couldn't ride moto anyway.

[@FACTSI1I]

Dirt bike duh. Having a motor who the f wants to pedal?

[@maxuca74]

Brake a chain on a motorbike!! Nhaaaa😅 not that usual

[@cykelxr]

Logan gathering clothes to ride in...I feel so validated.

[@pmaly9473]

No joke!

[@solomtb]

Motorbikes have completely destroyed a couple of our mtb only trails here in Cyprus, where we only have a few :/

[@DaBinChe]

Just get a Surron.

[@LarryRichelli]

Get a Luna X2.5 ebike, over 2000watts and would have got you up the first hill! Also, it is crazy how bad that dirt bike tears up the trail and forest...not good!

[@NorthernSkiAndCycle]

Is that Logan that films and such with Jeff Kendall Weed? Sounds and looks familiar.

[@loganpatricknelson]

Yes that is me! Been producing Fanatik's videos for the past year or so, but am no longer. Still working with Jeff though!

[@drewsmith6066]

They are both good it's horses for courses, I could have fun on any 👍

[@erikk.2435]

I ride dirt bikes and mountain bikes. Love them both!

[@The_Privateer]

1st casualties of the bicycle industry implosion?

[@kevinburke1325]

Dirt bikes are illegal on trails here in Georgia so it would be a waste of money to get one.

[@ssjj9584]

Two dirt bikes? Thought this was a MTB channel

[@jjq6336]

That smith helmet on a moto looks super dangerous don’t skimp on safety that’s always rule #1

[@OSUHARDING1ATECHNICEXPERIENCE]

Ballers have one of each

[@mustclime5311]

2 types of dirt bikers, those that have broken wrist and those that will brake a wrist.

[@loganpatricknelson]

😂 yep, I’ve broken both

[@joshuaallswang8016]

Lesson learned. Ebikes are Dirt bikers electric Dirt bikes!?🤔…. Lmao.. Yeah I’ll stick to REAL mountain bikes.

[@AppleJack76]

Who knew, my comment would be first to show up on screen?

[@chickenclips]

both

[@rider65]

Could really do without the simplistic explanation of what a dirtbike vs a mtb is...🙄

[@rider65]

UNLESS it's about the workout/exercise component, hands down, it's the MOTO.... duh.

[@jeremygibb9167]

I like to poach property did it for years with worry on the moto. Now I do the same stuff on my ebike and don’t make a noise. leave the moto for the legal trails. Both are awesome!

[@TeamCykelhold]

lucky you, the XO transmission derailleur is so super cheap that it's no problem when it breaks even though it's indestructable according to the marketing. *cough*

[@davidsmtb]

Could of made it single speed

[@zwingler]

"People are not getting rich from it" Not soooo sure about that. Compared to the automotive industry definetly not but i rekon the big Executives, Directors and Managers are still living VERY comfortably.

[@LuisManuelHdez]

No excuse ... those top end ebikes (& bikes) are wayyyy overpriced!! Greed is the answer.

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

But why isn't the moto guy fat? He's not even pedaling.. Lmao..

[@loganpatricknelson]

Yeah all you do is sit down and twist the throttle

[@trailrider9582]

I burn more calories on a moto then e bike ride 😂

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

@@trailrider9582 You burn callories doing both, but I doubt you ride moto for the exercise, it's a biproduct of participating in an active sport. I was being sarcastic lmao. Some of the stigmas are idiotic.

[@trailrider9582]

@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ I thought your comment was funny because I see more out of shade e bikers then moto guys

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

@@trailrider9582 There are more fat mountain bikers than moto guys even though you have to be in shape to do both. I mean there are plenty of weekend warrior desert rats who are overwhight though. Being fit doesn't always mean thin, look at NFL linemen lol. Honestly I think it's because a lot of people don't get Into moto in their later years and there is less places to ride. A lot of people pick up biking to try and get in shape but not everyone.

[@Snakesoftheflame]

mopeds

[@lassepaulsen7735]

Moto is destroying the nature far more. If all mtb riders would moto the forrests would be a mess! So i think without any engine you are more one with the nature.

[@streddaz]

If you were really concerned about nature, you would walk, or even better not go in the forest at all.😉

[@Tumid1]

Really??? First, no one is suggesting "all mtb riders moto". Lets consider a typical 1000 acres of un-molested "nature". Then put a few miles of 2' wide trails that dirt bikes ride on.....total "destroyed" land ...about 1-2 acres. Then consider 20 years after dirt bikes stop riding on them ... presto....prestine nature again. What selfish misanthropist eco-Nazis like you don't possess is a vision of the big picture. The earth is 4.5 billion years old, & any damage done by mankind will, in time be taken back to it's natural state. I once read that when mankind finally destroys itself, EVERY structure will be gone in 2500 years & the earth will be just like it was for the first 4.499 billion years.

[@04RedFairLadyZ]

It’s simple . I’m a grown man. I can buy whatever I want . I don’t need the approval of some man child behind his phone or computer to tell me what I need or don’t need.

[@spiffpilot2589]

Referring to mountain bikes and dirt bikes as toys has to be the most ignorant take I’ve ever heard.

[@SteveWaldrop]

What are they if not toys?

[@JeffKendallWeed]

For the vast majority of users in the USA, yes, dirt bikes and mountain bikes are both certainly toys.

[@JankyEric]

In this context they are most definitely toys

[@loganpatricknelson]

@@JeffKendallWeed I needed my dirt bike for this video, this video is my work, therefore my dirt bike is a necessary TOOL

[@AppleJack76]

​@@loganpatricknelsonmake sure you get the tax write off. 😄