Is this e-bike really worth $10k more than a dirt bike?

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Anytime a new electric mountain bike gets released it’s a pretty safe bet that Pinkbike will be full of your comments wondering why you wouldn’t just buy a motorcycle instead.
Logan is big into dirt bikes, so we figured we should get to the bottom of it!
We pit our new Crestline RS 75 up against Logan's 2009 Yamaha YZ250 to settle the debate once and for all!
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@thedanperl
@thedanperl Жыл бұрын
Well y'all, it's been a long, fun trip, and we appreciate the heck out of you for being there for it. Fanatik is moving away from long form videos for now, and along with that, Logan and I are moving on to other things. You can still catch Logan working with Jeff Kendall-Weed behind the camera, and maybe if you're lucky, in front of it! I'm not sure where I'll wind up, but regardless, I'll be seeing you out on the trails. Sincerely, Dan P
@Jacob99174
@Jacob99174 Жыл бұрын
You’re the man, Dan (and Logan)!!!
@TomCollins-c4h
@TomCollins-c4h Жыл бұрын
Oh no. I'm sad to hear, really enjoyed your content and look forward to whatever comes up next for you. Wish all the best for you.
@yeldawg907
@yeldawg907 Жыл бұрын
Dang Ive been enjoying the videos, best of luck Dan!
@danielray1558
@danielray1558 Жыл бұрын
Dang- the KZbin channel is how I became aware of fanatik. I’ve bought loads from you guys over the years including a custom build and a few custom wheelsets. Industry is in a tight spot, but cutting revenue generating teams never makes sense to me. Best of luck.
@whitest_kyle
@whitest_kyle Жыл бұрын
Damn, definitely disappointed to hear that - have always loved your content with Fanatik!
@twowheelsintransit
@twowheelsintransit Жыл бұрын
I've ridden and owned MTB, EMTB, BMX and dirt bikes. For me the best ride I've ever had on a bicycle doesn't even come close to an avarage ride on a dirt bike. That being said if the avarage person asked me what they should choose I'd suggest a bicycle, they are so much easier to treat as a hobby. You can ride a couple of times a week, barely do any maintenance, pop to work or the shops on it or just very easily carry it with any vehicle you have. Dirt bikes really work as a full on passion, to get the most out of riding dirt bikes you really have to live your whole life around them, learning to maintain them, finding riding areas, requiring a dedicated vehicle to transport them, cleaning them every ride blah blah, for every hour riding I likely spend at least two on getting to ride the hour. For me it's well worth it but I understand it wouldn't be for everyone
@jdmbeaner182
@jdmbeaner182 Жыл бұрын
Yup that's the big appeal of mtb for me. I can spend 1-3 hours riding and still have the rest of my day free.
@aledh91
@aledh91 Жыл бұрын
With the ebikes you can also enjoy a 30 miles enduro ride with slightly less effort on long climbs, and “skip” that annoying part. Also Mtb/emtbs you can enjoy the silence, listen the nature and look around, explore new trails. Emtbs/mtbs are in Italy allowed every where, dirt bikes are the opposite, you’re basically illegal everywhere you ride
@kevinburke1325
@kevinburke1325 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, dirt bikes are fully illegal here in Georgia. The only bikes you are allowed to ride on trails are 1st class e mtbs. It's a waste of money to buy a dirt bike.
@keltongines9575
@keltongines9575 Жыл бұрын
I thought the new xo derailleur was indestructible.
@samdiaz6162
@samdiaz6162 Жыл бұрын
Guess 😂 Not !!
@lukelackermayer
@lukelackermayer Жыл бұрын
@@samdiaz6162it’s a 1/4in piece of metal, it’s replaceable, it’s the hanger and cage that are much stronger! I’m just glad we don’t have to buy a whole new derailleur nowadays!
@LoganNelson
@LoganNelson Жыл бұрын
We threw a new cage on and the derailleur was fine. Now I’m not one for electronic shifting, I run Shimano XT on all my stuff, but pretty certain any other derailleur would’ve been toast.
@stephenlord599
@stephenlord599 Жыл бұрын
@@LoganNelson Most other derailleur 's cost less than the SPP8104010 Cage Assembly Kit... I'm running M8000 on everything but my eBike and that's running 8130 linkglide. as it happens just trashed the case on the linkglide but I could replace the entire mech 2.5x for the cost of the T-type cage assy and cage only almost 9x Regardless of standing on the mech in a specific way 90% of wrecked mech's are always the cage anyway...
@JeffKendallWeed
@JeffKendallWeed Жыл бұрын
Fortnine does MTB!!! Hahaha that was a great video! Going to miss the awesome uploads for the next little bit, but also looking forward to more filming with Logan. Dan, wanna come ride with us one of these days? Would be sweet!
@mattspen
@mattspen Жыл бұрын
Please ride with them Dan, Jeff is so fun to watch! But my favorite content is buddies riding together. (Logan is fun! The more yew’s the better 🤘🏼)
@andersonsridebikes
@andersonsridebikes Жыл бұрын
Trail access is definitely the key. I have quick access to several incredible MTB trail systems but I don’t have quick access to many good dirt bike trails or tracks. EMTB is the easy option for me
@jg2wheels
@jg2wheels Жыл бұрын
From what I've seen, most mountain bikers can't moto, but good Enduro moto riders can shred a mtb. I have both, but prefer mountain bike. Cool video 🤙🏻
@BodieMTB
@BodieMTB Жыл бұрын
Dirt bikers are just overall better riders, they are going faster and bigger on a bike that literally has worse geometry for what they do lol The geometry of most dirt bikes matches the geo of an old school XC bike. But they still send it over 70 foot gaps on stock suspension lol Dirt bikers make good road bikers too, probably the best 2 wheeler riders in the world are dirt bikers. You don't survive long without being super skilled lol
@aledh91
@aledh91 Жыл бұрын
I can ride both, but downhill i prefer to ride a mtb. Mtbs are nimble and easy compared to 100kg dirt bikes down a steep hills with ya rear brake on ya…feet!
@FanatikBikeCo
@FanatikBikeCo Жыл бұрын
Logan is a great example of that. - Dan P.
@crackermun
@crackermun Жыл бұрын
I ride an analog (Ripmo), eMTB (Levo), and 2018 KTM 300 XCW (live in Lake Tahoe so have a lot of diverse trails nearby). Cool video and I am often questioning what do I have the most fun on. Easily the Ripmo is an ass kicker in terms of exertion. The KTM is super fun on long rides but gearing up, bringing tools, noise, etc is something to consider. The eMTB is fun for 15-30mile rides with friends and we can hear/talk to each other, gear up/load up easily, and maintenance is a piece of cake. I think if I had to choose one I would probably do the eMTB over everything else because of the fun factor.
@AcidGambit419
@AcidGambit419 Жыл бұрын
Get a Talaria you can thank me later. Perfect compromise between an eMTB and an MX.
@Tumid1
@Tumid1 Жыл бұрын
Coming from an MX background, then Mtb & now ebikes, I've found the best compromise.....a 2500 watt mid-drive ebike that weighs 65lbs. On tight trails (where you can't go over 30mph on a dirtbike), this bike is a weapon. Best of both worlds, enough power to go fast in the woods & not have to man-handle a 230lb dirtbike which you are only using 5-10hp most of the time. There is also the whole Surron category of emotos with 10-50hp that weigh 125-225lbs that when modified can do the job quite nicely & can be had for $ 4,000 - $ 15,000.
@WilliamrikerNCC1701
@WilliamrikerNCC1701 Жыл бұрын
Trails, trails, trails. Where i live, there’s a lot of different options for mountain biking in different forests. Most of those forests are not open to dirt bikes. There are some dirt bike areas however you need to ride roads to connect forests, have a motorcycle licence, and need to have a lot more area to ride vs my MTB. On the other hand, if there were far more dirt bike areas compared to mtb riding spots locally, that would also influence my decision.
@trailrider9582
@trailrider9582 Жыл бұрын
I ride both you guys forgot to mention it’s cost over 100$ usd to go on each ride (if you drive over a hour) gotta fill up the truck and bike. Also another thing with dirt bikes if your buddies aren’t as good as you, you won’t have fun because you can’t just have them walk a section like a mtb. But both are cool in their own ways
@barrakingbeatz7794
@barrakingbeatz7794 Жыл бұрын
I live both tbh…..I like mountain bikes because it’s just easier to get out and I have just as much fun! I love motor bikes because they scare the daylights out of me and the vast ground you can cover in a few hours….rode what ever makes you happy ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
@mtbboy1993
@mtbboy1993 Жыл бұрын
In Norway Moto is illegal in nature, apart from enduro courses and MX trails, unless it's private properly. So you won't find many places with signs saying to not do it. But some exist put up by land owners. But class 1 e bikes are treated like normal bikes, but you can ride on the other hand you can ride on any hiking trail with few receptions like protected land, and where land owner says otherwise with a sign. I've seen some farms have MX tracks on them.
@martinhayes5087
@martinhayes5087 Жыл бұрын
I dont think its just the riding of the Moto that people to refer too. Its the fact that bicycle prices are so stupid now, that you could get something much more bang for buck, like a dirt bike, instead of a heavy, unreliable ebike.
@felix-ve8jk
@felix-ve8jk Жыл бұрын
Ive spent the last 12 yrs mountain biking and before that another 5-6 years during jr high and high school. Saved up for a new mtb but eventually just bought a dirt bike. Love mtb but theres no replacement for the moto
@LoganNelson
@LoganNelson Жыл бұрын
I agree entirely! I love them both, love e-bikes, but there's just something about dirt bikes that's unbeatable.
@pmaly9473
@pmaly9473 11 ай бұрын
Moto gives you more speed, distance and adrenaline rush (@ 60 plus mph). MTBs are easier to just go for a ride with less prep, cost and hassle, and are generally safer due to less weight and speed.
@04RedFairLadyZ
@04RedFairLadyZ Жыл бұрын
Like the ole saying goes. Get in where you fit in….buy whatever you want and have fun
@mtnbikerva1
@mtnbikerva1 Жыл бұрын
I have a KTM 300 XC, and that thing is about the most fun you could have! The problem is there are so many anti-dirt bikes/motorcycle people that there’s practically nowhere to ride. I also have a Pivot AM EMTB, and for now anyway there’s more places to ride it.
@hardmtnbiker
@hardmtnbiker Жыл бұрын
Some of my friends bypassed eMTBs and are buying lightweight electric motorcycles. Some use regular mountain bike DH forks and shocks.
@Truth_Spoken
@Truth_Spoken Жыл бұрын
As someone who rides both that was a fun watch. Where I live (northern Michigan) we have hundreds of miles of ORV trails for dirt bikes as well as several MTB trails all open to class 1 ebikes.
@motionfactoryracing5914
@motionfactoryracing5914 Жыл бұрын
You need some Motion Footpegs for that YZ now. Increase your fun factor.
@MAECTPOua
@MAECTPOua Жыл бұрын
Great video! Would also be great to include such "grey zone" things as compact electric ebikes, like Surron.
@pauleddy5146
@pauleddy5146 Жыл бұрын
I rode motos in the 70s. That said, You know I'm old. Back then, in my prime, we didn't have alternatives. Bikes were motos, bicycles were kid's modes of transportation or roadies cash dumpsters. Mountain bikes were whatever bike you had, ridden off paved track. I love 2 wheeled transport, for fun and necessity. Feet become outriggers in the snow, and you can go much faster safely than an auto any day. Both have a place, but with the advent of e assist, at 65, it helps me keep up with the group when I could not otherwise. Still waiting for something 30# or less, 5 hours ride time and around $5K. It's a goal. In the meantime, gotta muscle up an ebike or walk when I need to analogue. In the woods or on the road, I still do roadie, got a lot of friends there too, any ride is more fun than a couch.
@ThunderStruckMTB
@ThunderStruckMTB Жыл бұрын
The moto. Every second, of every day, of every year.
@strangehighways3
@strangehighways3 Жыл бұрын
I bought the canyon torque on cf8 two months ago, under 6000 usd with shipping. That bike is a beast and made very well. I can ride it anywhere. the closest dirt bike trails are an hour and a half from me.
@ThugZ3r0
@ThugZ3r0 Жыл бұрын
It's a great topic to discuss! And respect to dirt bike rider! He did many moves with steeze!
@jamesg1425
@jamesg1425 Жыл бұрын
I’m looking into getting my first moto! I’m thinking a Honda CRF125/300L. I plan to take it on some 200 mile rides around the forests of AZ. Also, you guys built my wheel set for my MTB 👊😁 - And last video for a while? That’s unfortunate, but understandable. Hope to see you guys back eventually!
@Zetler
@Zetler Жыл бұрын
You can’t make anyone jealous and call you a cheater on a dirt bike tho. Ebike win every time for this reason. I like to remind acoustics that they’re poor, and if I have Crestline I’ll even be able to remind other ebikers that they’re poor also.
@grantbowen5047
@grantbowen5047 Жыл бұрын
I don't miss the pitch black at 5pm part of Washington. WA is a nanny state when it comes to dirt bike access. Go across the border and it's a totally different story. Modern 2 strokes are so amazing and so much fun. The scene is way less annoying than MTB. Context, been riding Galbraith since 1990.
@ethanmoore7833
@ethanmoore7833 Жыл бұрын
Can’t keep a dirt bike in a studio apartment lol
@gvngoheavy
@gvngoheavy 11 ай бұрын
Would be interesting to see how something like a surron would fit into this comparison/equation. I have no personal experience but would be interested to see how access changes now and in the future with these quieter and smaller/lighter machines?
@mtbboy1993
@mtbboy1993 Жыл бұрын
I don't have any legal place to ride a MX bike anyway. Unless I go to sb.s farm with a track on it or to a MX or Enduro track, none near me.
@mrdrifty6580
@mrdrifty6580 Жыл бұрын
I have both love both. Dirt biking is so much gnarly then people know id say most mountain bikers couldn't ride moto anyway.
@miyui9269
@miyui9269 Жыл бұрын
a dirt bike is more fun coz its budget friendly!
@TheAntoine191
@TheAntoine191 Жыл бұрын
You dont have to spend 12000 to get a very good emtb. Half of that can get you high quality machine.
@nickbell3546
@nickbell3546 Жыл бұрын
Honestly the sweet spot for me right now seems to be retrofit mtb motors. CYC Motors X1 Pro Gen 3 can go up to 5000W of THROTTLED NON-PEDAL POWER. The motor weighs ~6 lbs and a battery of your choice can be between 5 lbs - 15 lbs depending on size. All for about $1900 pretax. The bike manufacturers right now can't legally sell above 750W without calling it a "dirt bike" so thats why you still have to pedal uphill on eMTB.
@maxuca74
@maxuca74 Жыл бұрын
Brake a chain on a motorbike!! Nhaaaa😅 not that usual
@Chops00
@Chops00 Жыл бұрын
E-Bikes are like LARPing. Just get a dirt bike.
@solomtb
@solomtb Жыл бұрын
Motorbikes have completely destroyed a couple of our mtb only trails here in Cyprus, where we only have a few :/
@CRAAZYpants2
@CRAAZYpants2 Жыл бұрын
So people shutting down dirtbike trails and tracks are the problem. Got it
@cykelxr
@cykelxr Жыл бұрын
Logan gathering clothes to ride in...I feel so validated.
@pmaly9473
@pmaly9473 11 ай бұрын
No joke!
@DaBinChe
@DaBinChe Жыл бұрын
Just get a Surron.
@erikk.2435
@erikk.2435 Жыл бұрын
I ride dirt bikes and mountain bikes. Love them both!
@LarryRichelli
@LarryRichelli 4 ай бұрын
Get a Luna X2.5 ebike, over 2000watts and would have got you up the first hill! Also, it is crazy how bad that dirt bike tears up the trail and forest...not good!
@drewsmith6066
@drewsmith6066 Ай бұрын
They are both good it's horses for courses, I could have fun on any 👍
@FACTSI1I
@FACTSI1I Жыл бұрын
Dirt bike duh. Having a motor who the f wants to pedal?
@tomreeves2271
@tomreeves2271 Жыл бұрын
What’s the opening an closing music used on this vid please?
@LoganNelson
@LoganNelson Жыл бұрын
artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/phenomena/115442
@OSUHARDING1ATECHNICEXPERIENCE
@OSUHARDING1ATECHNICEXPERIENCE Жыл бұрын
Ballers have one of each
@kevinburke1325
@kevinburke1325 Жыл бұрын
Dirt bikes are illegal on trails here in Georgia so it would be a waste of money to get one.
@NorthernSkiAndCycle
@NorthernSkiAndCycle Жыл бұрын
Is that Logan that films and such with Jeff Kendall Weed? Sounds and looks familiar.
@LoganNelson
@LoganNelson Жыл бұрын
Yes that is me! Been producing Fanatik's videos for the past year or so, but am no longer. Still working with Jeff though!
@jjq6336
@jjq6336 Жыл бұрын
That smith helmet on a moto looks super dangerous don’t skimp on safety that’s always rule #1
@ssjj9584
@ssjj9584 Жыл бұрын
Two dirt bikes? Thought this was a MTB channel
@The_Privateer
@The_Privateer Жыл бұрын
1st casualties of the bicycle industry implosion?
@rider65
@rider65 11 ай бұрын
UNLESS it's about the workout/exercise component, hands down, it's the MOTO.... duh.
@rider65
@rider65 11 ай бұрын
Could really do without the simplistic explanation of what a dirtbike vs a mtb is...🙄
@mustclime5311
@mustclime5311 Жыл бұрын
2 types of dirt bikers, those that have broken wrist and those that will brake a wrist.
@LoganNelson
@LoganNelson Жыл бұрын
😂 yep, I’ve broken both
@chickenclips
@chickenclips Жыл бұрын
both
@davidsmtb
@davidsmtb Жыл бұрын
Could of made it single speed
@jeremygibb9167
@jeremygibb9167 Жыл бұрын
I like to poach property did it for years with worry on the moto. Now I do the same stuff on my ebike and don’t make a noise. leave the moto for the legal trails. Both are awesome!
@joshuaallswang8016
@joshuaallswang8016 Жыл бұрын
Lesson learned. Ebikes are Dirt bikers electric Dirt bikes!?🤔…. Lmao.. Yeah I’ll stick to REAL mountain bikes.
@zwingler
@zwingler Жыл бұрын
"People are not getting rich from it" Not soooo sure about that. Compared to the automotive industry definetly not but i rekon the big Executives, Directors and Managers are still living VERY comfortably.
@AppleJack76
@AppleJack76 Жыл бұрын
Who knew, my comment would be first to show up on screen?
@TeamCykelhold
@TeamCykelhold Жыл бұрын
lucky you, the XO transmission derailleur is so super cheap that it's no problem when it breaks even though it's indestructable according to the marketing. *cough*
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ Жыл бұрын
But why isn't the moto guy fat? He's not even pedaling.. Lmao..
@LoganNelson
@LoganNelson Жыл бұрын
Yeah all you do is sit down and twist the throttle
@trailrider9582
@trailrider9582 Жыл бұрын
I burn more calories on a moto then e bike ride 😂
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ Жыл бұрын
@@trailrider9582 You burn callories doing both, but I doubt you ride moto for the exercise, it's a biproduct of participating in an active sport. I was being sarcastic lmao. Some of the stigmas are idiotic.
@trailrider9582
@trailrider9582 Жыл бұрын
@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ I thought your comment was funny because I see more out of shade e bikers then moto guys
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ Жыл бұрын
@@trailrider9582 There are more fat mountain bikers than moto guys even though you have to be in shape to do both. I mean there are plenty of weekend warrior desert rats who are overwhight though. Being fit doesn't always mean thin, look at NFL linemen lol. Honestly I think it's because a lot of people don't get Into moto in their later years and there is less places to ride. A lot of people pick up biking to try and get in shape but not everyone.
@LuisManuelHdez
@LuisManuelHdez Жыл бұрын
No excuse ... those top end ebikes (& bikes) are wayyyy overpriced!! Greed is the answer.
@Snakesoftheflame
@Snakesoftheflame Жыл бұрын
mopeds
@lassepaulsen7735
@lassepaulsen7735 Жыл бұрын
Moto is destroying the nature far more. If all mtb riders would moto the forrests would be a mess! So i think without any engine you are more one with the nature.
@streddaz
@streddaz Жыл бұрын
If you were really concerned about nature, you would walk, or even better not go in the forest at all.😉
@Tumid1
@Tumid1 Жыл бұрын
Really??? First, no one is suggesting "all mtb riders moto". Lets consider a typical 1000 acres of un-molested "nature". Then put a few miles of 2' wide trails that dirt bikes ride on.....total "destroyed" land ...about 1-2 acres. Then consider 20 years after dirt bikes stop riding on them ... presto....prestine nature again. What selfish misanthropist eco-Nazis like you don't possess is a vision of the big picture. The earth is 4.5 billion years old, & any damage done by mankind will, in time be taken back to it's natural state. I once read that when mankind finally destroys itself, EVERY structure will be gone in 2500 years & the earth will be just like it was for the first 4.499 billion years.
@04RedFairLadyZ
@04RedFairLadyZ Жыл бұрын
It’s simple . I’m a grown man. I can buy whatever I want . I don’t need the approval of some man child behind his phone or computer to tell me what I need or don’t need.
@spiffpilot2589
@spiffpilot2589 Жыл бұрын
Referring to mountain bikes and dirt bikes as toys has to be the most ignorant take I’ve ever heard.
@SteveWaldrop
@SteveWaldrop Жыл бұрын
What are they if not toys?
@JeffKendallWeed
@JeffKendallWeed Жыл бұрын
For the vast majority of users in the USA, yes, dirt bikes and mountain bikes are both certainly toys.
@JankyEric
@JankyEric Жыл бұрын
In this context they are most definitely toys
@LoganNelson
@LoganNelson Жыл бұрын
@@JeffKendallWeed I needed my dirt bike for this video, this video is my work, therefore my dirt bike is a necessary TOOL
@AppleJack76
@AppleJack76 Жыл бұрын
​@@LoganNelsonmake sure you get the tax write off. 😄
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