Why This City is Building a Controversial 9BN Dollar Tunnel underneath its City Center

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@Wasbever_14 8 ай бұрын

Man has become so good he is playing irl

@Skibidy_rizzler_ 8 ай бұрын

Fr 😭😭😭😭😭💀💀💀💀💀

@gibranwijaya3440 8 ай бұрын

🔥🔥🔥🔥

@averagezing 8 ай бұрын

I thought this was a B1M Video at first, nice

@vinosatwika8982 8 ай бұрын

Same 😂

@jdee83 8 ай бұрын

Okay I see you impera1M

@V0042 8 ай бұрын

same

@AdamBurianek92 8 ай бұрын

@@jdee83 more like 1Mperatur 😂

@jdee83 8 ай бұрын

@@AdamBurianek92 That’s way better 😝

@roadrunner6224 8 ай бұрын

On one hand, I'm plagued by this situation on a daily basis. On the other hand it is funny, that after 15 years of arrogantly laughing about Stuttgart the Bavarians screw up their own mega rail project so badly.

@CakeboyRiP 8 ай бұрын

So you are becoming an irl urbanist channel now? Nice evolution 👌🏻

@eechauch5522 8 ай бұрын

While the Ringbahn is also a valid idea that should probably be built, I feel like the second trunk route is more important. Building a loop would allow for some new journeys and probably alleviate some pressure off the transfer stations, but it wouldn’t allow for a higher frequency on the outer branches of the network, which is the point of creating more core capacity. Every 20 with likely delays in the core or every 15 minutes with more reliability is a huge difference. The ring would probably still be built, because it connects an otherwise quite poorly connected part of the city to the network, but it’s going to feel much different then the Berlin ring Bahn with it‘s many transfer stations.

@mkltz0805 8 ай бұрын

Building an extra Tunnel in the City Center by itself doesn’t allow you to run higher frequencies in the outskirts. It’s kinda unrelated because the problem on the outer tracks usually don’t derive from the stammstrecke but actually from sharing tracks with other services. for example S4 in the west shares its two tracks with freight, regional and long distance trains. So building two more tracks there and separating sbahn from the other services would actually allow you to run more frequent services.

@Hailerer2602 8 ай бұрын

Love the try at something new! Interesting topic, good explination, funny jokes. Keep it up!

@WaylandersWandering 8 ай бұрын

While I agree the core needs an upgrade just looking at the maps you showed highlights the obvious flaw in the system. Everyone on one of the branches has to go to the core before they can access a neighbouring branch. Therefore, I'd suggest connecting the branches with a circle or something further out would make the network better to use and alleviate congestion in the core.

@n.bastians8633 8 ай бұрын

That's an idea that has been floated since the original S-Bahn proposal in the 1930s (the Nazi one that was never realized). Imperatur mentions current plans at 6:53. That's pretty far into the future, though (if it ever happens).

@prodbyNOVAER 8 ай бұрын

Yep, that's what I kept thinking. Building a new tunnel right next the other one feels like the equivalent of "just one more lane bro".

@justsamoo3480 8 ай бұрын

@@prodbyNOVAERBut it isn’t, like rail transit and road traffic work very differently. Also you cannot just change how the city works, there will always be a great demand to serve the city centre, however a suburban rail loop should be built as an addition

@Thomas-qs4os 8 ай бұрын

You rarely need to travel from suburb to suburb in Munich. Most of the people travel to and from the city centre. And within the city centre, you use the metro or Tram system.

@t_mandry 8 ай бұрын

I love Munich been a few times and it’s so nice having trains that run properly compared to the uk. Whilst visiting I found myself cycling most of the time

@kikiMarieH 8 ай бұрын

Your arrival into Urban Planning YT is most welcomed!!!

@Sp4mMe 8 ай бұрын

One of the main reasons this got so expensive beyond the usual problems is that the planning was scandalously bad. They "overlooked" that if you got a lot of people deep underground you need emergency exists to get them out. They just "assumed" some fire escape shafts would be good enough, until a closer study said - nope, that's too far down. So they basically need a second tunnel just as an emergency escape, which meant re-doing the planning while the project was already under construction causing delays and extra costs. It's also been very obvious that the Bavarian state government delayed this getting out conveniently until after elections at that time ... As for the concept per se; it's of course very difficult to judge these projects from a non-expert perspective. But it seems to me that both an expansion of the Stammstrecke, the core route, and the circle line are necessary. So I wouldn't say the project is bad in principle. However, the cost is immense, and ... under those circumstances it's difficult to say whether this is the best use of such a massive chunk of money. More radical ideas that might have required taking space from roads and running aboveground weren't even seriously looked at because of course such a thing is politically impossible. Thus everyone gets to pay the bill to put infrastructure underground - well, train infrastructure. Cars can stay in the city aboveground, "obviously".

@Hans-gb4mv 8 ай бұрын

Almost makes you wonder if it wouldn't have been simpler and cheaper to run parallel to the existing line and use that line's existing emergency infrastructure

@Jessie_Pinkman_ 8 ай бұрын

This is a beautiful evolution of your channel. ❤

@josefmolin5101 8 ай бұрын

This reminds me of the "citybanan" project in Stockholm that was completed in 2017 after 8 years of work. It costed 20 billion SEK ~ 1.79 billion €

@itsalexcollin 8 ай бұрын

Hey Imperatur! Firstly I just wanted to say thank you so much for branching out your content! I love CS, but this urban infrastructure content is my next favorite, so I am happy that I can find both with you! Secondly, I just wanted to say again that your English is great and I am so happy that your confidence continues to grow! #fuckthehaters

@kutilmartin 8 ай бұрын

love this type of videos coming from you!

@Irrevatic 8 ай бұрын

This was so good! Didn't even realize I was watching a cs content creator until the last moment - fully engaging!

@ViniciusSC10 8 ай бұрын

Funny thing, people in Brazil always complain about how construction works always complain about the delays on building subways here and use Germany as an good example of working on time, but apparently delays and costs overruns became a global problem in any place but China. 2037 completion date is crazy. São Paulo line 4 took 14 years to be built and it was a scandal. Imagine 20 years to built a shorter route. How the world got so bad at building? It’s crazy. By the way, great video Imperatur. I follow you because Cities Skylines and thought it was an B1M video, but as always you’re bringing great content. Keep it up.

@ruhri0411 8 ай бұрын

The Chinese can't do magic either. The explosion in costs also affects the Chinese and it is not possible to speed up such complex tunnelling projects at great depths without compromising on quality. The quality of Chinese projects in particular is very questionable. It is one of the worst dictatorships in the world, they only say what doesn't damage their reputation!

@marsaeolus9248 8 ай бұрын

@@ruhri0411Classic ignorant that does not know anything about China and fell for the western propaganda.

@dezwollenaartjes 8 ай бұрын

This channel is now the B1(mperatur)M

@flare2000x 8 ай бұрын

I've been following this project on and off for a while but there's not much info on it in English so thanks for making this video! I love Munich and would love to visit it again.

@szymex22 8 ай бұрын

nice video and cool new format, would enjoy more videos like this

@Atomicdelta765 8 ай бұрын

Interesting, you can keep going with some other projects in Germany if you have the will. Danke!

@amymagdaleneta 8 ай бұрын

Should be noted that barcelona has entirely abandoned the model, in the stations that maintain the layout, the doors open simultaneously and there's nothing to indicate which side is for which

@aaaalex1994 8 ай бұрын

And it's a bummer, because modal stations like La Sagrera, Espanya, Diagonal or Passeig de Gràcia would greatly improve with that sort of platform configuration...

@staatsfeind_nr_1 8 ай бұрын

Very interesting. I didn't know that. I'm impressed that the B1M hasn't covered this topic already. But there are some parallels in the style to their videos 😁. My first thought was why aren't they building a circular line around Munich. I am sure that most of the people have their destination in another suburb and not in the city center.

@Vicmark1 8 ай бұрын

Please, more videos like this!

@Jannik_der_andere 8 ай бұрын

Nice you try something diffrent, I like it!

@Nping007 8 ай бұрын

As a German, it’s very funny to hear how you’re spelling the names 😂😂

@Skibidy_rizzler_ 8 ай бұрын

Hes German too

@Nping007 8 ай бұрын

But he's not spelling the names german

@alexj9603 8 ай бұрын

@@Nping007His spelling is correct. But the pronunciation...🤔

@Nping007 8 ай бұрын

Thats what i want to say

@petrhajduk9955 8 ай бұрын

I have so much thirst for English-speaking non-Anglosaxon creators bringing new perspectives into this world. Especially with transit it feels like North American ideas get way more space than what they deserve in a global world so any effort to balance this is more than welcome. Thank you for this video.

@dev_null0 8 ай бұрын

Great video.

@IceDree 8 ай бұрын

Neat! Love these kinds of videos.

@uberseehandel 8 ай бұрын

In Britain we complained about the cost of the "Cross Rail" project, now known as the Elizabeth Line. Generally it has turned out to be a huge success with higher passenger numbers than expected. Some of the interchanges are truly ingenious, for example, at Barbican station to get from the old Northern Line to the Elizabeth line, one gets to ride on an elevator (lift) that moves up and down diagonally. The aesthetics are also far better than expected. Do take a ride on the Elizabeth Line and see for yourselves.

@BorIlovar 8 ай бұрын

Amazing video! Really reminds me of B1M videos in best way possible

@juguy2110 8 ай бұрын

I dont get, why they havent started building the circular line instead. 9 bn Euro for no new routes, just a second bottleneck. It seems like the, wanted a stupid-ass prestige project, which unfortunately is very typical for the bavarian government.

@dinohermann1887 8 ай бұрын

Hamburg is also planning a new S-Bahn tunnel connection between the central station (Hauptbahnhof) and the upcoming new Altona station (currently known as Diebsteich) in order to make space and therefore give more capacities for regional and long distance trains running through the „Verbindungsbahn“ between Altona and Hauptbahnhof. The project’s also known as the „Verbindungsbahnentlastungstunnel“, or „Ferlemann-Tunnel“.

@nicholasgalides3926 8 ай бұрын

Love this! Please post more about Germany’s infrastructure projects!

@Hamza.alSakir 8 ай бұрын

Can you make a Video that explains the Dutch Railway and/or the Berlin Stadtbahn? Much love❤

@morris8165 8 ай бұрын

Great new format! Would be cool to balance this with your regular CS content

@JokerHamGH 8 ай бұрын

I had no idea that there was such a project in Munich. Very interesting!. Seems similar to Citybanan in Stockholm albeit at a much larger scale and clearly not the first of its kind in Munich.

@cbhk95 8 ай бұрын

Great video! Bro struggled to decide whether to pronounce station names like a German or an American - though I can relate to the struggle. 😅

@mateuszkunda9400 8 ай бұрын

And the way he butchered the pronunciation of 'Frauenkirche' like an English speaker would... 🤣

@northernfarmsim 8 ай бұрын

Well done 👍

@dulikon6300 8 ай бұрын

You think they would have learned from the Stuttgart 21 desaster with the massive delays and issues which came with it. This is only for S-Bahn now in Munich but has the same challenges - a delay by 9 years :D and getting a new tunnel is a huge strain for everyone living in these areas. I did it here in Stuttgart and it often was a nightmare with countless sleepless months. Good luck in the next 15 - 20 years ^^

@lukasgr17 8 ай бұрын

I thought I was watching the B1M here, very well made video 👍

@NonrevGroup 8 ай бұрын

We making it out of cities skylines with this one 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔈🔊🔊🔊🔊🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯

@jofresivilla4466 8 ай бұрын

Very interesting content, while CS2 is still not fixed, and CS1 doesn't really feel like going back after you've met CS2. I am very fond of urban planning and public transport networks so I love that projects are made.

@user-iv2ul3yh6g 8 ай бұрын

wurde toll wenn sie mehr irl stadtplannung videos macht

@danishasyraf9946 8 ай бұрын

CITIES SKYLINES New York City Episode 8 2:08 ❤🎉🤩 2:17

@alolanjojo8153 8 ай бұрын

Love this video

@maoschanz4665 8 ай бұрын

i know nothing about this topic so excuse me if i'm saying something stupid, but why are they running ALL cross-city trains through this corridor in the first place? on the maps you show, isn't there a very visible set of tracks between Heimeranplatz and Ostbahnhopf? it might provide less connections with the U-bahn but it's an obvious way to make the network less centralized and less saturated for virtually 0€

@Dalex1910 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, shoulda make the south-rail-ring Sbahn-compatible.

@dozenazer1811 8 ай бұрын

I thought about D5 in Moscow ffs the difference is that I'm not sure if D5 will get its deep tunner underneath the city center

@trainformerd4134 8 ай бұрын

The German S bahn acts like the Thameslink trains in London 😁

@dafisch1990 8 ай бұрын

That's true. From what I hear from RM transit and other channels, that Thameslink was highly inspired by German S-Bahn Systems.

@SoWhiskey 8 ай бұрын

Impressive

@TCACR 8 ай бұрын

I use these trains every day. This week the train has been very time 5 minutes late or the train wasn´t there

@ander4163 8 ай бұрын

Nice!!

@Maxhartmann2024 8 ай бұрын

In Moscow we have a similar project, line D5 linking two terminus stations underground. I hope it will cost not much higher than exploration of Mars program.

@ernestomondragonromero3024 8 ай бұрын

And why they don’t build more horizontal lines out of the center, that way many people that doesn’t need to cross through the center won’t do it

@РайанКупер-э4о 8 ай бұрын

Meanwhile when Moscow had a similar problems: «WE NEED MORE RINGS!» Seriously guys. Does no one there understands the magic of rings?

@quantumaction1889 8 ай бұрын

Do you know how many kilometres is the new tunnel?

@ruhri0411 8 ай бұрын

The tunnels are 10 kilometres long. The mere boring of the tunnels is certainly not the problem, it is the dense development and the immense depth of the project, the stadium at the railway station is mega complex, as is the one at Marienhof. In addition, the new line crosses under several existing underground railway lines, which also requires special consideration.

@TacticalRuse 8 ай бұрын

Great Video, I dont know much about germany

@basti0123 8 ай бұрын

im a simple man if i see imperatur oder AverageRob i like

@paulbachmann1383 8 ай бұрын

why do you pronounce the names wrong even though you obviously speak german? :D

@klamin_original 8 ай бұрын

The issue with houses in the US is that they’re not built with adequate quality simply because nobody cares about whether it’s in good condition for 10 years or 50 years. People will probably move out anyway after 10 years.

@strafrag1 8 ай бұрын

Kind of like the new Elizabeth Line in London.

@desto13c 8 ай бұрын

Never knew Cities Skylines II look this good.

@maxigs 8 ай бұрын

Cool video, has a @TheB1M feel to it ... and much less ads

@Nahtn 8 ай бұрын

This is good. I thought the tunnel was going to be a car tunnel.

@m3lvin449 8 ай бұрын

I just think that its a missed opportunity to build a second inner City Route with different stops. Like they did in Hamburg

@dinohermann1887 8 ай бұрын

At least in Hamburg it gives more capacity for regional and long distance trains like ICE and Regionalbahn to pass through the massively congested Verbindungsbahn running between Altona and Hauptbahnhof.

@TheNewOrder-DaysOfConflict 8 ай бұрын

Germany - a country with beer culture...I feel there is something missing

@dinohermann1887 8 ай бұрын

and car culture as well (though not as bad as in the US)

@neinabgelehnt 8 ай бұрын

0:31 my hood! 😄

@growingup15 8 ай бұрын

B1M Thumbnail :D

@Hans-gb4mv 8 ай бұрын

"The budget skyrocketed" ... yeah, I get that, unique infrastructure projects are almost impossible to predict as you have no real reference for it "Completion has also been postponed several times" ... yeah, I get that, complex project can add a year or 2 to 3 easily ... "until 2037 " ... what? How could they get that sooo wrong.