Why This Country Banned the Flipper Zero

[@beardedlady6291]

I also see ChatGPT is banned in Italy

[@harshnarware]

What really?

[@harshnarware]

@@1JAKY what's wrong about your mother friend

[@Shocker99]

@@matteosala1032 They don't realise users data are training all of these systems because they're all using ML in some capacity. Twitter, Google, KZbin, TikTok, Facebook, ChatGPT, etc, etc. I suspect that they banned ChatGPT because they're scared of the propaganda that it'll replace 90% of the work force.

[@AtomicDig]

They didn't ban the language model itself (services based on GPT like the new Bing are still avaliable), they banned the official website by OpenAI because OpenAI is not GPDR compliant

[@DigitalDynasty676]

Maybe because italy schools don't want students to use ChatGPT and the IQ level will go lower,or they got scared that someone jailbreak it and build a dangerous hacking tools

[@piman13_71]

Ltt just talked about this on wan show and they basically just said that it helps improve the old infrastructure and honestly I agree this stuff has existed since the Arduinos and other related micro controllers but now that it’s in the hands of effectively script kitties it will be better defended against and over all will get more secure

[@Seytonic]

That's a really good point, short term pain, long term gain

[@piman13_71]

@@n0k0m3 spell check just keeps messing up what I said..

[@nomore-constipation]

I'm keeping my eye on my cat now regardless. 😏

[@xathridtech727]

​@@n0k0m3script kitties are adorable and must be protected

[@theres-kc4bb]

@@n0k0m3 script kitty LMAO. would love one

[@Yukinebi]

NGL man, I am very very upset to hear that PayPal did that to you. I wish everyone would collectively ditch PayPal, and even the other similar services. At least any that have been known to seize funds. Close the account by all means, that is your right as a company. But don't STEAL their money!

[@BenjaminHari]

I'm not surprised, Paypal is a SHITTY service for sellers as they have to live in fear each day and this is being proven almost daily. Heck even Flipper Zero company themselves had issue with Paypal where they seized around 1 million $ and still hold 350k for "mitigate possible claims". I liked using Paypal because it's more secure but ever since of realizing how shitty is to the sellers ESPECIALLY to small ones like Seytonic I just created Revolut account and use disposable cards at dodgy sites.

[@anon_y_mousse]

Agreed. If he were in the US I'd suggest he take them to small claims court and then cancel his account with them. It may be harder without PayPal, but I suspect he could make it work. Personally, I think that what they did should be illegal for every company to do. It's basically, "we suspect something, so we're going to steal money from you".

[@MrCaptainTea]

PayPal has stolen thousands from me over the years. Most shady company I've seen

[@loginavoidence12]

i told them to fk themselves after they did that "we can fine you for misinformation" ToS change. and yes, i was as absolutely crass as i possibly could be to those paypal keikes

[@0xmmn]

bitcoin fixes this.

[@renatosilva1480]

Here, in Brazil, you can´t take "facts or logic" to serve as introduction to bans or laws, just search for the initial ban on pepper spray or the gun laws. But what i think is going on with the flipper 0 is the new requerement of devices that works with RF, like Drones, ham radios etc. Now you have to register the device with ANATEL (subject for testing is required), and if your device don't have certification like OEM, toy drones you can't homologate the product.

[@teebu]

That's a new word I never heard before. Homologate. Why didn't you just say "approve"?

[@lufax]

Because he's Brazilian and that's the most common term for the process of approval through a regulatory agency

[@dhruvakhera5011]

@@teebu you should also expand your vocab

[@cc1drt]

@@teebu And they say there are no stupid questions LOL

[@Legomanshorts-c5o]

@@cc1drt give him a break hes just a script kitty.

[@chipko]

Sorry to hear about paypal. They said they were also going to use that $2,000 fee against accounts sharing misinformation! Ruthless.

[@gus473]

It's outrageous, for sure! 🤬 No thanks! 😎✌️

[@block3codes936]

Never, ever let paypal have access to any of your banks/funds. They're criminals.

[@blimeycrikey]

I closed my PayPal account the day they announced this policy change. I guess losing eBay has hurt their bottom line so much they decided to straight up steal it instead.

[@answerman9933]

I closed my PayPal account last year when I heard of their policy change.

[@John_Smith100]

Close your PayPal account

[@Waldo-Manfred]

there are so many horror stories about paypal and yet people still use it

[@hawkdeathpawp6021]

people use PayPal still cus its very simple to get money overseas to a friend a simple email adress and boom money is overseas

[@Waldo-Manfred]

@@hawkdeathpawp6021 crypto is way easier

[@hawkdeathpawp6021]

​@@Waldo-Manfred ive never touched crypto never will

[@brazilian_oak]

Here in Brazil, as far as I know most motor-operated automatic gates use RF without rolling codes, so, in theory, not only could you open them with another controller paired to the same motor (or even paired to a motor of the same make/brand), but with a Flipper Zero as well. Personally I think the Flipper Zero was banned because we have a huge problem being behind the times on infrastructure and tech in general, and the Flipper Zero could be used to exploit a ton of scenarios that actually happen here.

[@vitormelo9470]

É verdade aqui a tecnologia tá mesmo atrás do mundo 😢

[@lufax]

I agree it would be a grave safety risk regarding automated doors and gates

[@tomikun8057]

@@gcolombelli The less friendly interface is already a barrier. A barrier that helps a lot since most people are too scared to even type in a command line

[@gcolombelli]

@@tomikun8057 It's a barrier indeed, but not one that should be used as an excuse to keep practicing security through obscurity and ban useful pentesting tools. Brazilian tech will always be outdated, crappy and expensive as long as this mindset is not left behind.

[@tomikun8057]

@@gcolombelli They likely have other, more prioritized aspects besides improving security. And this barrier filters "good enough" amounts of crime from utilisation of such devices in their governments eyes. Otherwise this wouldn't make sense. tl;dr this is a patchwork job on purpose because they can't be assed to actually fix it rn

[@OutOfNamesToChoose]

It seems like more and more businesses are starting to rightfully turn against PayPal. PayPal is starting to gather a reputation for being underhanded theives, which can't be good for business in the long run.

[@ayoCC]

I hope that paydirect will become a thing, it was banks trying to come into the online payment space... 20 years too late, but they have no fees as opposed to the ever increasing paypal fees. I do expect it to have fees in the future though. Having just ONE additional competitor though would drastically change the landscape. No one would be forced to use Paypal, they could just use something else

[@vi1r]

couldn't deal with all of the mcdonald tv outages ig 🤣

[@NateTmi]

The big difference is how it looks when shipped. Most devices you are showing just look like a circuit board that the average person would not know what it might do just from looking at it. Yet Flipper is easy to identify, with the iconic case the hardware is in. As well as how many people have been seen using it. Where as the others have been seen used, but don't really stand out, when you compare how they look to normal parts people could order online. (or at least this is the first problem I see)

[@jimmymifsud1]

I would of assumed the Flipper Zero would of been banned in Australia; just checked and no, it’s totally got government approval 😂

[@zimboiii9025]

Why would you assume it to be banned there?

[@jimmymifsud1]

@@zimboiii9025 all devices require approval, everything is banned by default

[@danek_hren]

@@jimmymifsud1 7 mins ago? Very good. If you're still here, do you know who the hecc is the character on flipper's screen?

[@myfaveyoutube]

That's a disingenuous way of putting it. Nothing is "banned by default" in this context

[@DD-ld1xq]

@@danek_hren It's flipper the dolpin.

[@lufax]

Just to clarify a little bit on the Brazilian system and mind: An electronic product sold in Brazil needs to be pre-approved by Anatel (and have the approval logo on the product). So the first reason of being returned is that the product wasn't an evaluated and approved one After that became clear, some people requested it to be evaluated for approval, that's where Anatel said "this type of product cannot be approved" Regarding mind/culture: no foreign good has the "right" to enter Brazil without prior approval - we're super protectionist of goods (if you travel and bring goods on you luggage in excess of $1,000, the import duty is 60%). So if the regulator believes this novel product is going to be able to cause any harm, they will flat out refuse it to allowed in the country

[@arthurmaciel9893]

I'll try smuggle some of them...

[@felicityc]

no, no, its the socialists, its definitely the socialists. don't talk about procedures or bureaucracy!! make it more political!! i am sure this only started in the past few months, right?? before lula it was all free trade and anyone could do anything!!

[@josedorsaith5261]

​@@felicityc What?

[@lufax]

@@josedorsaith5261, Felicity was being sarcastic. Pointing out that on the current state of things the internet doesn't want nuance of regulations and culture, that what I should have done was to make it political and blame it on the socialists. It was sarcasm

[@OneManCanStopTheMotorOfWorld]

Yeah because Brazil has their shit together. Brazil is some of the biggest crooks in the world. It’s not a state secret. My uncle met his wife down there and got his throat slashed. I’ve had my laptops stolen. Everybody knows you can do anything you want as long as you pay the right people off. Brazil will never get their fucking shit together lmfao

[@rkvkydqf]

And my ISP (in Ukraine) had completely blocked the official store... I don't know what shenanigans they've used, since the changing the DNS did not help. Plus, it's not a national thing, since my friend's ISP doesn't do it, though the did try blocking Steam for a week, sending a weird rant about how it destroys the youth's morality to some customers... Don't you love when you pay your ISP to deliver packets, but they're instead more interested in your deliverance from (what they see as) sin?

[@D3ltaLabs]

The replay attack has been revised by Samy Kamkar in 2015 or earlier with the rolljam attack and most recently in 2021 with the rolling pwn by Kevin2600 and Wesley Li

[@MissFoxification]

I saw that coming, that's why I bought mine in the first retail batch. I wonder if they will ban the Chameleon models, they are just as easy to use. The Hackrf one with portapack has had import issues into Russia so the sellers send them as a "kit", aka: disassembled.

[@InsaneFirebat]

Reminds me of the time they censored a video game developer's website for no apparent reason. They're not very good at this stuff.

[@storytimewithunclekumaran5004]

Wow Paypal STEALING $2500.00 from you is beyond insane and makes me furious.

[@ssppiieegg]

So about the changing street lights, I’m gonna let you all in on a little secret. If your car has fast enough hazard lights you can spam it at the stop light and if the light has sensors for any sort of LEO vehicle it has a good chance of flipping green just from flashing your hazards. In Minecraft of course.

[@TwinShards]

"In minecraft" 🤣

[@fss1704]

or having a minecraft bluetooth receiver, or any minecraft mp3 player connected to a minecraft amplifier and minecraft security camera leds

[@underthemeow9478]

i would not take that from payp :(

[@aurumdevelopments]

Regarding ur PayPal ban - try to appeal it. PayPal can be a bit stupid sometimes and you might need multiple attempts to get unbanned again.

[@Seytonic]

I've tried... problem is you can never get through to someone in the department that handles this kind of thing. I called them up multiple times, but it's always a generic customer support rep that doesn't deal with appeals.

[@oooooooo347]

@@Seytonic gah sorry to read that, from experience working in call centres you might have luck asking them to "escalate" your case so it gets forwarded to people who can make those decisions

[@blurtblaxter2708]

@@Seytonic Yeah you tried, but you have to try even harder. You have to force them to transfer you.

[@antony8595]

​@@Seytonic maybe sue? it's 2500 dollars, it's not an insignificant amount.

[@williamowens2063]

@@antony8595 Oh right yeah good idea, let's lose some more money. Suing is expensive and suing a big corporation like Paypal? Due to 2k £ nonetheless? Come on man... That's like the most American shit I've read all day. Let's be realistic here.

[@james2396]

I can't believe paypal just helped themselves to £2k, could you tell your bank that it's a fraudulent expense?

[@Seytonic]

They took it straight from my remaining PayPal balance, so I'm screwed pretty much

[@lt3lt3lt3]

That's stealing honestly. I can't believe ebay came into your account and took 2000 dollars?! Can you put a stop payment on it? That actually made me angry.

[@MCgranat999]

Now your paypal example is just a robbery…

[@owo9178]

You should sue PayPal that's daylight robbery

[@stuxvt]

With that logic, shouldn't most kitchen utensils, hardware tools, etc. also be banned? Surely you can commit crimes with a knife, lockpicks, even screwdrivers. Absolutely backwards law

[@siriusleto3758]

Here in Brazil, they have already tried to make a bill to prohibit pillion riding on motorcycles, just because the robbers were using motorcycles and acting in tandem. Thankfully, this bill was rejected.

[@indepth6mobile-official]

From what I know, Vietnam has a ban on importing (and exporting) used electronic devices.

[@Seytonic]

You're right! www.globaltradealert.org/intervention/13989/import-ban/vietnam-more-used-it-products-imports-banned

[@cultistsash]

Woah, fuck Paypal. They took your money as a fee for breaking a bullshit rule? This is why we need shit like Monero.

[@xXRedTheDragonXx]

I have seen the Flipper Zero used to commit crime here in the US, and it's terrifying. People have used it to trigger the emergency vehicle mode on traffic lights (felony), install malware on public kiosks, and more. And, while it's more of a proof-of-concept than anything, someone at my university figured out how to use the flipper zero's GPIO to replay magstripe cards, including credit cards. Honestly, I don't have a problem with the flipper zero as a product since all of its functionality exists in other dedicated pentest tools, but I do have a problem with the marketing and tiktok community that's sprouted because of it. Kids buy it, use it to be a general nuisance and in some cases commit crimes, and then post about it on social media as a way to brag. It gives cybersecurity a bad name and a bad taste in the eyes of highschool sysadmins and the general public since kids are just using it to be annoying without actually learning anything.

[@TwinShards]

The FZero has just shown how little security system there is in all kind of device. If the FZ was not a thing criminal would have just gotten other tools to do the exact same crime. The only door FZ has really open is for dumb kids to be a nuisance.

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

You seen it? I'm telling 😱

[@TheQwertyuiop6]

Oh no Anyways

[@gcolombelli]

There's a much simpler way to deal with mischievous kids who do stupid stuff and post on social media: use the evidence they produced on themselves to serve justice. There's no need to inconvenience cybersecurity researchers and professionals by restricting their access to an useful tool in their trade. Companies will still keep making insecure products if their consumers have no clue they've been using unsafe stuff.

[@fss1704]

The emergency mode can be triggered using any bluetooth-audio and IR-leds from security cameras, idem to the magstripe cards, and no i doubt anyone that knows how to install malware on kiosks even remotely has any need of a flipper to do it, sincerely you have no point on this.

[@TheFlatEarthChannelcom]

This is why they changed the slogan from hack the planet to flip the world. I got mine saying flip the world .

[@Mr.Riojas]

Because some people misused it everyone else cannot have it... yeah... ban the tool instead of a punishing the tool user is a winning move.🙄

[@contasecundaria7268]

I mean, Brazil's police can't arrest people in US (from where the majority of these videos came from)

[@liquidthex]

Paypal FINED you $2500 for an AUP violation?? What??

[@mb00001]

You should pursue your money, especially if you can pinpoint exactly why they were wrong.

[@shaneintegra]

Seems like there is people at paypal who are corrupt and make these types of false claims to pocket some money. Ive seen so many similar instances

[@grandevand]

Here in Brazil, inmates have access to wifi, car thieves have a thing called "Capetinha" and I, an IT auditor, don't have a flipper zero to use as a tool

[@fss1704]

que p*rra é essa? aqueles cabide de metal?

[@grandevand]

@@fss1704 Bloqueador De Sinal Capetinha, galera consegue derrubar até Tesla com essa porra. Tem a venda no mercado livre kkkkkk

[@grandevand]

@@fss1704 Não lembro se foi o ACF ou se foi o PetrolHead, que falou num podcast uma vez, aqui no BR é o unico lugar que as montadoras mais tem trabalho por conta dos sistemas de alarme de carros modernos, pq ninguém mais tem o capetinha no resto do mundo kkkk Até comprei um também, foi pouco mais de 1600 na época, mas é uma mão na roda quando quero fazer meus testes no trabalho

[@fss1704]

@@grandevand o único erro é achar que só tem jammer aqui na brazuela, só que aqui é o pico do uso disso.

[@midimusicforever]

Banning tools like this is dumb. Fix the problems instead.

[@kazii_the_avali]

dont use paypal. paypal can ban your account and take money out for basically any reason.

[@CampervanCookout]

They would need to catch the criminal to know if someone used one.

[@DustyGamma]

It's all the "scary hacking" connected to a brand. It's the perfect target for tech illiterate politicians to ban. This is what firearms enthusiasts deal with. It doesn't have to do with capability, it all has to do with branding. ...Not saying hacking equipment has any relation to firearms, just saying the political response is much the same.

[@techdoc.repair]

PayPal can literally charge you $2500 anytime they want. Read the fine print. Literally anytime.

[@nutbastard]

Jokes on them... I don't have $2500... : (

[@Bigtimersh5]

6:43 Dude, you should have filed a lawsuit against PayPal for their ruthless actions. It’s very clear that they have committed abuse of power of falsely suspending you and blatantly robbed you from your earnings.

[@doncarleone973]

Damn bro it took 2k from you!! That's f'd up!

[@mrlithium69]

paypal is horrible in terms of violating your rights

[@thaphreak]

In USA a firmware change gives you access to certain frequencies and broadcasting on these frequencies is illegal. I can almost guarantee it's being used 'illegally' right now if they needed to bypass the region to transmit.

[@jeremywp123]

Couldn't you use the flipper zero to unlock a car if you read the signal outside the range of the car then go to it and broadcast the signal? The car would have no way of knowing that code has been used before.

[@nutbastard]

I looked into it and it appears that yes, that's a viable attack. So if you can get access to the fob while out of range of the car, you could copy and use the next code - once and only once - to unlock the vehicle, and only until the legit fob is used to send the next code.

[@hedgehog3180]

That'd just work a single time though and it's kinda hard to do maliciously unless you steal the key in which case do I need to say more?

[@romulosendoromulo]

Brazilian import laws and taxes are a nightmare

[@bubblebaath7840]

I’m in year 12 this year and next year our high school final exams will be done on laptops.. we’ve done all our work on laptops for the last 7 years, I can’t hand write 1000 words an hour. Even tho I graduate this year, ima cheat on next years hsc exam just so prove i can

[@stage6fan475]

Paypal has always had a sleazy side. Avoid paypal whenever possible.

[@lfcbpro]

The bigger story is how Paypal can take £2,000 of your money without going to court. They can't just take your money, they have to go through due process.

[@fss1704]

lol in the USA the homeowners association foreclosed on a home because of bullshit and sold it to the H.O.A for $3.24, 2000eur is SHIT.

[@TwinShards]

So basically Brazil commiting thef against their citizen. Not only by taking away their Flipper Zero but still charging a +60% Tax. Who's the criminal now? And i will also assume no such ban was publicly announced.

[@fss1704]

sweet that you can find these in paraguay now without paying taxes.

[@Axodus]

You were charged TWO GRAND without a trial? That's.. not okay.

[@joez.2794]

6:38 This is the first I've heard of someone _actually_ being fined the $2500? Confirm they didn't later refund/credit?

[@Seytonic]

They said they'd put a freeze on all funds for 180 days, afterwhich they'd release my balance. But at the end of that period they nabbed $2500 as a fee. I haven't received any refund/credit.

[@joez.2794]

@@Seytonic Wow. For-real exploring alternatives to PayPal now. Also logging in to unlink my checking account (this was required back when I signed up like 20 years ago).

[@Seytonic]

@@joez.2794 If you have to keep a bank account linked, use one of those online banks that allows segmentation so you can make sure there's no money in the specific account you link for PayPal to dip in to. But yea, PayPal sucks... 40% of my business went through them, which disappeared overnight. The fact they have a near monopoly on online transactions is scary.

[@arthurmaciel9893]

Paypal can just take your money and you can't do nothing ? Theres no protection consumer agency in uk to step in ?

[@minibikemadman]

can't ban somthing I have already..just got done flashing my esp32 with marauder. Bring it on 2.4ghz. The other thing that's wild is the zero has a FCC ID witch I thought was cool. I dont think anyone would admit to using one for a crime lol...but people will self snitch...im working on the rolling codes as people have figured it out.

[@F3L0]

I love when I see flipper zero videos

[@morteiro_1]

Eu moro no brasil mas do msm jeito ainda tenho kkkk

[@noface9519]

PayPal is such a scam company. I used to sell game modifications (gta, CoD etc) and when I got too much money (around $1500) PayPal terminated my account for the same reason. Against TOS and they still refuse to give back that money. This was in 2017 or 18.

[@GyprockGypsy]

That's fuckin brutal man. The GDP/pc in Brazil is only $7,500. Some of these people, this was all their spending money for months.

[@lezbriddon]

where's the DIY opensource designs for brazil? surely kit form must also be allowed?

[@jovensqueprosperam]

Here in Brazil, flliper zero was banned because it became a trend on tiktok as you mentioned in your video and this attracted the attention of the government.

[@BALJIT147]

Paypal is a terrible company and everyone should avoid using them whenever possible.

[@sabre22b]

It's anfathomably horrendous abomination of design em. Style Is the only crime here. Where they blind?

[@Thadopeera]

When you jam a key fob signal you catch it every time the user presses the fob button. Record every one. Now you have codes that never reached the receiver and will be good to use..

[@zadekeys2194]

So will Brazil alsp ban importing knifes, hammers etc which have also been used in crimes?

[@charliecharliecharliecharl8554]

PayPal nicked 2 grand criminal its like fraudsters Isn't it

[@ItsCheetahTV]

I believe it should be banned. Just because it’s so accessible. There’s a difference between a device that’s marketed like a toy.

[@karlkoch23]

Ordered my Flipper Last Weekend. Now they can ban it😜😂

[@crazycrystals]

my friend brang his flipper to school and then played doom on it. Flippers got banned the same day.

[@tradward]

If you think shady people aren't buying these to do shady things then you're a fool.

[@daklakdigital3691]

SIMPLE - BUY A DIFFERENT COLOURED CASE THEY ARE ONLY FIVE DOLLARS.

[@4_Science]

Lol hammers have been used in the commission of crimes too. Are they gonna seize hammers next?

[@weshuiz1325]

this is either a verry bad april fools joke or somebody didn't get a refund

[@shanetheundertaker8474]

PayPal : You can't use that , it could be used for criminal activities ! PayPal : by the way, we're stealing £2000 from you and freezing your account ! . . . Who's the criminal here ? Hmmm . . .

[@sugargliderdude]

did you manage to buy one? would love to see you making another video on one, i just bought one the other day, cant wait to use it

[@Yadobler]

heh, at least brazil doesn't ban the import of chewing gum

[@EJTechandDIY]

Governments are a bunch of old people dictating what we can and can't do.

[@Neptunediscovermedia]

no flipper 0 and i do not Want to have and I don't want this thing and plugged into my devices

[@Rubalix]

If the U.S. bans the flipper zero I will find a way to get one.

[@xopharios]

Flipper Zero is absolutely being used for malicious purposes, but it's such a niche method to conduct crime that there are almost zero reported cases of it happening. It's also nearly impossible to detect any trace of its usage after a crime has been committed.

[@BadPractices]

I think it’s so weird to see tech minded people pretend that this stuff is never used maliciously. I mean, I get it. This stuff is cool, but let’s not pretend here. This stuff absolutely can and will be used nefariously.

[@ParkingLotStudioGames]

FR Seytonic acting like brazil isn't a mostly poor 3rd world country...

[@almightysapling]

​@@BadPractices right? Especially when they openly acknowledge it's a hacking tool. Like sure, not all hacking is necessarily immoral or illegal. But like... The vast majority is both.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@BadPractices You clearly misunderstood the argument being made though. The point isn't that the Flipper Zero can't be used maliciously, the point is that it's not a particularly good tool for the job and an actual cyber criminal would probably be smarter than this. As he said in the video they prefer working remotely and there's an obvious reason for that, it leaves less evidence and keeps the criminal safer. Sure the flipper might not leave much trace itself but if you physically have to go to the location in question you as a person are still going to leave evidence, and like anything actually important will just have a CCTV system that'll spot you. The Flipper Zero isn't being used by criminals for the same reason no one has ever been mugged with a foam sword. Sure you could do it I mean those things fucking hurt if you whack someone hard enough and can do serious damage, hospitalizations aren't uncommon at LARPing events, but like a criminal is obviously gonna use the best tool for the job, in this case an actual weapon.

[@bendergamer14]

Cars are also used in the country by malicious users in facilitation of a criminal offence or misdemeanour too, the same for motorcycles, bicycles, knifes, forks, spoons, wood, iron bar, petrol, air... all of these are used by criminals. Will they ban it? Honestly, since what happened at the end of 2022 Brazil has gone from a good competitor among the world power rank to an easy bad joke.

[@DJKINS]

A analogia é exagerada.

[@bendergamer14]

@@DJKINS A analogia é compatível.

[@DJKINS]

@@bendergamer14 Não, o uso do flipper zero é quase que exclusivamente malicioso, não é o caso de todos os outros contextos que você mencionou. O único argumento que pode ser feito é que ele seria usado para pentests mas todo mundo sabe que a maior parte (senão todos) dos problemas de segurança que ele exaltaria (RFID, radio) são problemas em hardware ou softwares embarcados, uma empresa não vai coletar todos os carros por uma falha, uma fabricadora de fechaduras não vai bater na casa de 500 condomínios trocando a fechadura para resolver isso. Então sim a analogia é extremamente exagerada, e o pessoal gosta de fingir que o pessoal da anatel não é, em maioria, extremamente técnico.

[@bendergamer14]

@@DJKINS A fabricante de automóveis visa necessidade de troca dos carros recém comprados quando identificada vulnerabilidade de segurança, e imóveis precisam ter as trancas atualizadas dentro do padrão de fiscalização. Não é exagerado pois qualquer objeto existente pode se usar contra outro animal. Um objeto ao parecer útil para uma função não o torna necessário para essa função, só para quem o adapta.

[@mauznemo]

I guess I have to buy one now before its banned in my country!

[@MrWaf007]

there are smartphones /w same capabilitys for same price..

[@lezbriddon]

And our next news item Brazil bans steak knives

[@Pxfo1]

wow . . . . . .

[@danielktdoranie]

Brazilians: I got them for sale. $2000 each 😂😊

[@WhiteSecz]

i got one in december for $200 on joom

[@lewchishelltaya5745]

This made me want to ban PayPal. Who's with me?

[@stopcensoringmen5044]

Their argument is literally the same as, "bed person use thing, therefore no one can". What's next? Ban cars because of a drunk driver?

[@jaykoerner]

I don't live in Brazil, but from my obscure knowledge involving video games and video game systems, Brazil is very protectionist of the local economy, requiring high import fees and prior approval to sell most foreign goods in country, it's more then likely they didn't have prior regulatory approval, and then when the Brazilian government went to review them at request after seizure for lack of approval, they decided not to solely for the use type of the product

[@rannsakanda]

​@@jaykoerner I'm brazilian, the govt is not protectionist of the local economy, since they are the ones fucking the local economy, what happens is that they put a lot of taxes on everything, our currency is weak, the govt is corrupt, its not attractive to invest here, so its more attractive to consumers to buy from the outside, and then they see another opportunity to put more taxes and say that is to protect the local economy as an excuse

[@rannsakanda]

​@@jaykoerner Also, at first Anatel said that it was possible for a person to regulate the flipper zero for their own personal use, and later changed their mind, and I didn't understand why, since I had to identify myself, send my ID, sign a paper saying I was responsible etc.

[@BitTheByte]

Same deal with firearms.

[@ericblenner-hassett3945]

I am not sure how the laws work in that country, however two terms in the USA are potentially helpful for getting the funds for the devices back directly from the government. Eminent Domain - The right of the state to take private property without the property owner's consent. The Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution requires just compensation to be given to the property owner when private property is taken by the federal government. In other countries, there may not be that protection to get funds for ' reasonably believed legal to own ' devices being seized by the government, especially as I can not find ' banned electronic devices ' for Brazil. Writ of Execution - Having the Court Bailiff's go and collect. This also may be in Brazil and only works when asked for at the end of a trial where recompense is ordered by the court. Remember to not interrupt the judge during the process, ask during the process " We would like to ask the court that in event of a result in our favor for a Writ of Execution. "

[@itsawill9268]

I mean whether the laws will be enforced is a question

[@crowlsyong]

6:37 yooooo whatttttttttttttt?? dang man. sorry to hear that.

[@quadmods]

Being as you build a database of unique codes that intermittently connects to to the internet… Something to hide Brazil?

[@Sefton.]

Another story highlighting how awful a service Paypal is. I'm ditching it and will just rely on cc payment protection.

[@Get_yotted]

I blame low skill TikTokers who are doing annoying things and making the low skill government agents think this thing is dangerous.

[@PramodhRachuri]

cars can still be hacked using roll jam attack. flipper zero can be used to record the signal of a key fob when far away from the car. Signal for 3-5 unlock key press is needed. Then can be replayed to unlock cars

[@HenryKlausEsq.]

Not cool Paypal! Don't steal from creators.

[@Skelphs]

btw it's not the german version of ebay. We have the same ebay as everyone else. The Ebay Kleinanzeigen is from ebay but similar to facebooks market place.

[@Napoleon_Blownapart]

Wait... Paypal just straight up stole your bank account, and youre fine with it??

[@dylanwillyams]

giving out legal advice online is a dangerous thing to do.

[@jamesbrown99991]

Lock picks are also illegal to buy in many countries, even if you don't plan to do anything dodgy with them.

[@deathkeys1]

geez shelling 1K BRL for nothing is painful... it is no chum change in a country with this high inflation,,, poor Brazilians.