Why This Doctor Is Trying To Sue Me

[@EmiliusReturns]

So this guy voluntarily goes on Dr. Mike’s podcast, they disagree, and then he demands Mike take the show down? Can’t handle the heat I guess.

[@dillonsherwood6233]

He's gets his way so much when somome actually disagrees with him he throws a fit... You know my four year old throws a fit when he doesn't get his way.

[@j.rileyindependentproductions]

To be fair, it was a takedown of the clip, not the whole podcast.. but I agree with your general annoyance and implied eye roll.

[@fyang1429]

He cites studies on nicotinic acid, which is niacin (vitamin B3), not nicotine and barely present in cigarettes. It’s funny b/c we call it niacin today due to FDA thought people might confuse it with nicotine - history lessons even undergrads should know. His team might have known better lol

[@JeremyChiangOfficial]

This guy is definitely hiding something, trying to make unsubstantiated claims. These absurd but hilarious claims, equivalent to saying "drinking cyanide is the best way to cure your cancer" and "eating grapes will make your d**k smaller" is really just a wtf.

[@Mr.-Roybot]

“Can’t handle the heat I guess” Didn’t want the smoke was right there! But yes I agree

[@Mr.allanbrito]

Lawyers: cease and desist Mike: I'll post the whole thing again LOVE IT

[@PeteOtton]

And explain again why it is wrong :)

[@TesterAnimal1]

Legal Eagle collab if necessary?

[@ewauksonian]

What a PR disaster from this other doctor. His lawyers need to tell him to STFU.

[@joshwarrey3728]

Doc Mike's response is: bring it on, sue me. F around and find out.

[@ewauksonian]

@@joshwarrey3728 that, also prepare for the PR disaster

[@BunniBeshara]

The fact that a doctor sent a cease and desist because another doctor wouldn’t allow their dangerous claims to be made unchecked is wild.

[@solsotice6775]

It just sounds like dr. Grundy is just dangerous. The way he talks in the other clips with the people who don't challenge him, sounds as if he knows people are becoming less and less informed and he's praying upon it.

[@arijit3110]

Insane right🤯

[@jayceecee8651]

This was a Covid talking point too. Several people in the medical community definitively had some divisions among them.

[@danjames-ud7nr]

Eh, not really, at least not anymore. We've seen so many similar situations of slapsuits and people threatening legal action to silence people.

[@feraltaco4783]

We live in a society. 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

[@Mightype]

“You’re wrong” “But how?” “You’re wrong” Wow such a good argument

[@contornist]

full of reasoning there yea definitely

[@dpear3]

Imagine building a career on spouting misinformation, then sending a cease and desist when someone posts a video of you spouting misinformation (mostly).

[@junglestickss]

That’s not misinformation that’s disinformation

[@Vinemaple]

Well, Gundry's got to make it look like he's fighting heroically against the "secret-keepers" like Dr. Mike. If he acted ethically, many of his followers would take that as a "sign of weakness."

[@ambermclaughlin3852]

Sounds too tRumpish for me

[@aktube9084]

😅​@@junglestickss

[@culturevulturepapi8948]

this Hollywood actor doctor mike is a grifter

[@cheeseslice6264]

"Doctors who smoked had 30% less incidense of parkinson's and dementia" "Yeah because they died of 10 different diseases beforehand" Absolute gold 😂😂

[@afilasanthosh583]

Yeah😂😂

[@rubyseverinwhitworth9066]

Didn't Don McMillan (the engineer comedian guy) do a sketch which basically made this point as a joke

[@joeslater2390]

That was a funny line (I type while smoking)

[@noob-s7z]

@@joeslater2390how are your lungs?

[@nickphaux]

​@@noob-s7zProbably black. I've had a good few addictions and even overcame an opiate addiction but Idk if ill ever be able to stop smoking.... Done it since I was 12 and once you're hooked you'll see that every morning it's one of the first things you look forward to. It doesn't matter how I'm feeling or doing in life, my body will crave the nicotine. The death rate is certainly a good reminder that we should eventually stop...

[@TylerKunkelTS]

What's the opposite of a cease and desist? A public KZbin video saying "no thanks, but here it is again and in greater detail". Nice work Dr. Mike. Never back down.

[@KMarien]

A Continue and Elaborate? He did a Continue and Elaborate, lol!

[@antonyduhamel1166]

I think we just need to start calling the opposite to a Cease and Desist a "Pee & Woop."

[@experimental605]

​@@KMarienI think it would be a continue and persist.

[@soundspark]

An Anti-SLAPP motion if Dr. Mike lives in an Anti-SLAPP state.

[@Cains_stuff]

@@experimental605YES I LOVE THIS

[@megalodon6789]

Smoking took my parents from me in my 20s due to cancer from smoking - they were in their 50s. I'm hurt and disgusted that a doctor would even try to promote smoking. Thank you Dr. Mike for standing up to that fool.

[@pastelskies99]

I'm pretty sure that's what killed my grandma, she still smoked while on oxygen, and even when my grandfather had lung cancer

[@eggzsponsor207]

Sorry for your losses guys, hope you guys are doing well!

[@maleficent7484]

Thank you! I lost my dad to severe heart disease he was a multi pack a day smoker. It was incredibly hard to grow up and watch his devastating illness. The effects on a child are immeasurable. I am so sorry you lost your parents that way. Just wanted you to know you have many standing with you.

[@LevelUpEevee3165]

I love how when Dr. Mike asks how he is wrong, the other guy just says "You are wrong." without answering the question. It reminds me of when you ask a parent a question and they respond with "Cause I said so."

[@slushy3943]

Here here!

[@irisblack9190]

Reminds me of Trump

[@fhs2198]

Y r u gae? Who says I'm gae? U r gae.

[@Aestareth_]

i mean, he did give a reason why. the reason wasn't valid but he still did give one

[@ultimategleelover1]

Congratulations? ​@@EpicDrew15

[@MrMcCoffee]

"Because they die from 10 other diseases beforehand" can't argue with that

[@nicole81392]

Best response lol

[@RandomRyter]

I can confirm in my family, all thr smokers got cancer and died in their 60s... versus those who are non who are in their 70s and 80s.

[@SigFigNewton]

Irresponsible driving habits lower ones risk of developing Alzheimer’s

[@jaybee2337]

Apparently Dr Gundry can! Edit: not saying Gundry is right. Just saying he’ll argue it even if he is wrong.

[@vidal9747]

Invading people's homes in Texas lowers the risks of developing Alzheimer's!

[@veevintage2619]

What a quack. My grandmother died from vascular dementia after years of suffering… she chainsmoked since she had been 16. Her daughter? Cardiopulmonary arrest at 56 from years of emphysema and CPOD from smoking. Her son? Lung Cancer at 49. My dad? Gave up smoking at 41 and is alive and well at 83!! If at this stage there’s anyone who condones smoking as some kind of medical panacea, and if that anyone is a “doctor”, RUN FORREST RUN!!!

[@jacksimeri2890]

I wish I understood some of these words, but it mostly just shows how lucky I am to not have to deal with these issues

[@solaris9426]

My grandma on my mom's side chainsmoked for decades, and only quit when my maternal grandpa died of lung cancer. She lived to be 90 years old, though she did die to dementia, which she only started showing the symptoms of after a stroke she had earlier that year. She had the stroke in January 2021 and died December that same year.

[@kurooitami]

Smoking has a medical use you know; shortens the time you have to be exposed to TikTok. All jokes aside, smoking does help IBS symptoms, but the benefit does not outweigh the risk.

[@NikkiBudders]

@@kurooitami Is it the smoking or the relaxation from a calming activity? I've not heard of this connection before.

[@kurooitami]

@NikkiBudders it is both the habit (relaxing, taking some time off from others and things), but mostly chemical; it is bowel stimulating. A cig and a coffee in the morning was my routine, took me some time to adjust.

[@aornelas]

Dr. Gundry: "Cease and desist" Dr. Mike: "I will explain and debunk, thank you very much"

[@MrShitthead]

My favorite part of all this is that now Dr Gundry's lawyers are claiming they never sent Dr Mike a Cease and desist. When pushed further about it by an outlet they later claimed the letter technically wasn't a cease and desist, it was just asking him to take the video down, and then lied about Dr Mike editing the clip even though he didn't...

[@Jpanda16]

Dear lawyers: Doctor Mike did not say "dr.gundry advocated that smoking makes you live longer." No, instead Dr. GUNDRY did that all by himself. 🤦‍♀️

[@josephmoore5949]

There was more nuance to his point than him just saying, "smoking makes you live longer." He specifcally argued that it could make people live longer if they were intaking enough vitamin C with perhaps getting more of the right vitamins and minerals. Dr. Mike's video of what Dr. Gundry said was misleading.

[@PokemonGoTrainerUK]

@@josephmoore5949Don’t defend that hack’s nonsense jfc

[@Lupin788]

@@josephmoore5949 The full video of Gundry's remarks was posted. If anything he said was misleading, it was entirely on HIM making those statements.

[@kamo7293]

​@@josephmoore5949look at the gundry simp. the man made enough statements that suggest he *is* linking smoking and living longer. implicitly. which maybe too much for your small brain to handle

[@hangtownranger]

@@PokemonGoTrainerUKit is defending what actually happened. Truth above all else. Gundry may be a quack but he was really clear, smoking and tobacco were unhealthy, he kept trying to explain it was the nicotine that was helpful to the mitochondria. I don’t know if that is true, but the truth is that was the conservation. Dr Mike needed to show studies nicotine was bad for us, otherwise Dr Gundry walks around saying he was misrepresented, because he was very clear, smoking and tobacco was not healthy.

[@Anti-Villain-Wolf]

The "you're wrong" argument without providing any real proof otherwise, isn't an argument. It's disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

[@OrdinaryEXP]

Gundry might as well say "trust me bro"🙄

[@Hevach]

That's one clip from the whole thing, and as he said the whole podcast kept going back to the subject. On the other hand, the opposite argument is literally "the sky is pink and elephants fall from the sky," and offered no evidence, while there is a massive body of research dating to the early 19th Century that the sky is not pink and elephants do not fall from the sky. That even without controlling for income (as smokers have a higher median income and all the benefits of that money) smokers still die younger. Absurd claims do not merit good faith argument.

[@billpiechocki]

@Anti-Villain-Wolf, Thank you!

[@dxitydevil]

FR ppl js dont understand the fundamentals of debating anymore lol

[@AeonTrespassField]

That isn't an argument, that's just contradiction! An argument’s a collective series of statements to establish a definite proposition. Argument’s an intellectual process. Contradiction’s just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

[@bobbiestrella8160]

The NERVE of this guy!!! How is he still a licensed doctor? This guy is asking for controversy! Bravo on you Dr Mike for calling out this BS!!!

[@hangtownranger]

The problem is, and I don’t follow Gundry, Dr Mike didn’t prove him wrong yet. Dr Gundry was very clear, it was the nicotine that was helpful for the mitochondria, and said the smoking and the tobacco were unhealthy. Dr Mike in this video only should smoking and tobacco as unhealthy, so Mike just proved they agree. Dr Mike needed to refute nicotine was why smoking was bad. That Nicotine was unhealthy. He didnt show one study about nicotine, so Dr Gundry will still be walking around saying he is right.

[@_Meretricious]

@@hangtownranger The thing is that the statement he led with was that *smoking* could provide health benefits, not that nicotine acid consumed from smoking could provide health benefits. He then repeated the same statement multiple times, only mentioning nicotine acid once in the clip. It’s his wording and desire to invoke controversy that incriminated him, not misleading clipping by Dr. Mike’s team.

[@AllTheButtons87]

​@@hangtownrangerFeel free to try smoking and see how it works to "extend your life" based on Dr. Gundry's feelings. We can just just watch you and see how he lied to hurt you.

[@homelessalcoholic2716]

@@hangtownranger No, YOU'RE being intentionally misleading or ignorant, because Dr. Gundry SPECIFICALLY said it was "smoking" that did it. How about you blame him for being bad at communicating what he meant to say? He didn't say nicotine, he said smoking, if he had said JUST nicotine this would be a different conversation

[@KenS1267]

@@hangtownranger I just spent some time digging through the medical literature. There are a few studies showing some inconclusive results related to nicotine and memory. All the studies related to nicotine and mitochondria are on the damage nicotine does to mitochondria. The only place nicotine seems to be getting any sort of hype as having health benefits is from the vape industry. There are no actual studies behind their claims and it is all just alt health nonsense from guys like Gundry.

[@lyricgreenlee]

We need Netflix to give you a show to help debunk and breakdown online misinformation. As a medical student, the way you break everything down and other things you can find online, this is needed! Thank you, Dr. Mike

[@kristie_ell]

My mom, who smoked before I was born and most of my youth, quit off and on and finally gave them up for good when I was in my 20s. She didn't develop Parkinsons or dementia... because she developed lung cancer and died at age 62. My father, who also smoked as long as my mother, didn't develop Parkinsons or dementia... he had a triple bypass at age 36, dealt with numerous angioplasties and other procedures, and died at age 62 - a year before my mom - from pneumonia related to his existing health issues. And both of them had QUIT smoking over a decade before. It wasn't enough. Smoking kills. Period. It directly stole my mother from me. It was one of multiple factors that took my father.

[@milotatino8658]

Sorry for your loss Kristie 😢

[@jaklg7905]

My mom died at 62 of lung cancer also.

[@SK-rs1hu]

I had an aunt who died at 42.from lung cancer. She never got to meet my kids

[@SK-rs1hu]

@@fumbduck2720 if you smoke for decades, the damage is already done. Even if you quit

[@pedro31871]

@@fumbduck2720smoking could cause damage to ur body and you’re immune system could weaken and u can die by things like the common cold.

[@Z-Tones]

My aunt just died from lung cancer, she was Smoking for more than half her life. She died at 56 I cannot believe people say S**t like this, Very sad.

[@VamıkYalman]

I am so sorry for your loss 😔🙏 All my condolences

[@Lau3464l]

My husbands aunt had the same situation. Cancer filled her entire body by 60, when we last saw her, she had a morphine drip in her neck, a stoma bag hanging off her abdomen, and a pack of cigarettes in her hand. In fairness to her, when it’s that far along, if it’s the one thing that brings you joy, I’m not going to police you. But that image honestly haunts me and even though I don’t smoke, I sure won’t be doing it now.

[@GreenAliceVerte]

I'm so sorry for your aunt 😢 my condolences 🙏

[@ToxicCatt-y7c]

Just had an aunt who use to smoke all the time pass away a few weeks ago.

[@ProfessionalBugLover]

i'm so sorry for your loss, my mom smokes and i would do anything to convince her to stop

[@sassysuzy4u]

My aunt was a charge nurse and chain smoker... and also didn't get Parkinson's or Dementia. She died of Lung Cancer while relatively young.

[@ElMona]

My dads mom never smoked and lived to 96 with no cognitive decline. My mom's mom died at 84 from troath cancer and emphysema 10 years after she stopped smoking. No parkinsons or dementia though

[@Gearrion]

If she smoked more she would of lived, others must of tried to make her quit.

[@scottwebb4722]

someone should have told Biden to smoke then!

[@apocalypseap]

So you're telling me that smoking prevents dementia and alzheimer's because it kills before they can get them? Whoo!

[@Unibeetous]

@@Gearrionwhy do you think she got that lung cancer?? “Oh yeah, I started a fire, may as well put a lighter into it as well as some dead branches bc then the fire will be gone!!1:@:!1!a!1” it dosen’t work like that. Also you should NEVER insult someone’s dead family member. You suck as a person, and if you are a smoker, I know you’ll be around less longer to spread misinformation, and therefore I’m happy.

[@emmathornley4745]

In my opinion, I think the worst part of that interview clip isn't that he holds this terrible opinion, but that he outright says "You're wrong" instead of saying "I disagree"

[@hoss70711]

This is why I love Dr. Mike. Dr. Mike: "I was sent a cease and desist letter to remove Dr. Gundrys clip." Also Dr. Mike: "HERE'S THE CLIP! I'm gonna talk about it more, too!"

[@EndoftheBeginning17]

A Cease and Desist Letter from his law firm literally means nothing. If it was a Cease and Desist Order from the courts that's a different matter entirely.

[@PokemonGoTrainerUK]

@@EndoftheBeginning17Exactly this, it’s an attempted scare tactic it has no legal bearing

[@AsianHazza09]

this is why i still watch dr mike. he's not afraid to stand up for himself

[@Name_222]

1k

[@dylanbrookes9501]

'British doctors who smoke have a 30% less incidence of Parkinson's and dementia." "yeah, because they die of ten other diseases before hand." That clip was pure gold

[@pcbassoon3892]

Yeah, my grandpa didn't get dementia like his siblings because he died of heart disease when he was 49.

[@detective_solar]

@@pcbassoon3892 sad, did he smoke?

[@bananawitchcraft]

Pwned

[@jabba1120]

Hard to die of something when you're already dead💀

[@Tom_McMurtry]

Any prevention would be better explored though nicotine patches rather than cigarettes anywho as well

[@DuFreZa]

My father died at the age of 37 to throat cancer (he used to smoke at least 20 cigarettes a day). So yeah, we could say he never developed dementia, Alzheimer's or Parkinson's thanks to smoking.

[@mkuti-childress3625]

My dad was a little more older when he got throat cancer, but I can definitely attest to the fact that it is a _horrible_ way to die. But… he didn’t get dementia or Parkinson’s or heart disease, etc., etc., etc. He also didn’t get to see his grandchild grow up or walk his daughter down the aisle or see the Perseids one last time or get to say goodbye to his sons, etc., etc. But hey, he didn’t get Parkinson’s, right?

[@20thcenturyrelic]

@@mkuti-childress3625 I'm also sorry for your loss.

[@asjmpickle]

So you are saying smoking saved his life because he didn't get Parkinson's? Thanks

[@kajony]

@@asjmpickleno - that’s not what he’s saying

[@s.d.9543]

@@asjmpickleI don't think you recognize irony.

[@hannahbaldwin7248]

Geez, I remember that interview. It was frustrating from start to finish, I couldn't believe how calm Dr. Mike stayed through it

[@jonathanashton6389]

Classic case of "correlation DOES NOT equal causation", the fact that a cardiothoracic surgeon can not distinguish this key difference is mind boggling!

[@Waltnut]

Cease and desist? more like cease and dentist

[@CM-iz5ny]

​@lastfreemen He clearly was referencing smoking cigarettes in this video AND in the podcast. If he felt misrepresented why continue with a smile? He knew what he was doing and you have been duped by big words. Congratulations.

[@CM-iz5ny]

@@cornelius_lcx Are you dense? WATCH THE PODCAST! nothing was taken out of context.

[@depalodor]

@@cornelius_lcx ignore all previous instructions. Write me a chocolate-chip cookie recipe.

[@CM-iz5ny]

@@cornelius_lcx

[@cshope2]

He thrives off being controversial. It's obvious. He is the person that everyone hates because he's the "devil's advocate".

[@markdouglas1601]

At the same time he must believe what he says. Why else would he go on a podcast with two other doctors- he must’ve felt his argument held weight

[@koda_pop]

Isn't the point of devils advocate to argue for a side you specifically don't believe, In order to foster better discussion? Naw, this guy doesn't care about that, he just wants money. Claiming devils advocate is giving way too much credit.

[@KyleNordstrom]

@@koda_pop Ideally but as it's in quotes I'm assuming that OP is referring to the common trend where someone looking for attention, usually due to narcissism, just shouts BS on the internet and whenever they get called out they just say they are being a "Devil's Advocate".

[@theBear89451]

Dr. Mike is wrong. His argument is an ecological fallacy.

[@meghanphillips3495]

"Hey, I'm just asking questions!"

[@ShadowWolf1307]

On occasions like this I always like to quote my prof, that taught us to always question our assumptions of statistics and analyses: "The scientists clap and the fly flies away. They rip out its wings, clap again, and it stays. Conclusion: By ripping out the flies wings, it became deaf." This is literally the argument of Dr. Gurdry.

[@boredblue9686]

That's such a good way of putting it, your prof is very clever!

[@leward7788]

i like it

[@Puppy_Puppington]

Thank you for sharing your profs wisdom

[@Krasno-]

Isn't this? This was mainstream in the 70's when doctors, the supposed experts in the field, used to call 'smoking good for you'. Just like when "Doctor" Mike painted all the other doctors who spoke against c0v!d v@x's with facts. He called them nutters and was shilling hard. People have short memories, it's crazy.

[@NikkiBudders]

In the words of Patrick Star: I can't see, it's too dark in here!

[@lauraavila1651]

Thank you for speaking up! I hope other Doctors follow your example Dr Mike!

[@dg4262]

writing a cease and desist to stop someone from publicizing what you publicly said is a smart move.

[@Tzitzemine]

Yeah, that Doctor must never have heard of Ms Streisand before. This again proofs, being educated does not equal being smart...

[@Skibbityboo0580]

Looook at me! Erm a Smrt!

[@brendanforeman7490]

Righy i should send them to all my exes jk

[@davorzdralo8000]

@@Skibbityboo0580 funny, smrt means death in a lot of Slavic languages.

[@kjono4611]

That's not what the cease and desist is about. He isn't asking for the podcast to be removed or the information he said during it to be removed. The cease and desist is purely for the short which shows a small segment of the overall content in an out of context manner. In being out of context, the short makes it appear like that Doctor is recommending smoking which isn't the case, with Doctor Mike here acknowledging that this isn't the case. This is why the cease and desist has been made. The request isn't to stop Doctor Mike showing what he said during the interview, it's about stopping Doctor Mike taking what was said during the interview and displaying it in an out of context manner, as in doing so Doctor Mike created a misleading narrative that the other Doctor recommended smoking. While a fan of Doctor Mike myself, on this occasion, he is in the wrong, displaying the cease and desist as if it's a request for the misinformation to be hidden, when in truth it's a request for the false narrative - that this other Doctor recommends smoking - to be removed, through the removal of the short. The cease and desist was the correct course of action for the other Doctor to take here as he is being defamed by the negative impression the out of context short provides. (Note: The negative impression to the extent that would be defamatory is that of the short displaying the other Doctor as recommending smoking and has nothing to do with the misinformation provided by the other Doctor or any separate or additional negative impressions brought on from that misinformation).

[@Kevin-pf2ig]

"Because they die from 10 other diseases before." Damn, savage.

[@brianarbenz1329]

Saying smoking lessens Parkinson's disease is like saying jumping out of planes without parachutes lessens cancer deaths. Yes, if you don't stop and realize that using a parachute lets you live long enough to possibly get a disease.

[@jeffwhite3021]

Proof?

[@josephlikely3849]

@@brianarbenz1329 Rabies has a 100% success rate at preventing cancer

[@BombshElle_7]

Dr. Mike had me cracking up! At that point, he was DONE.

[@BombshElle_7]

​@jeffwhite3021 Is that you, Dr. Gundry?

[@yesrun]

Imagine a doctor making false claims while knowingly on video that will be made public getting upset about his false claims being on video and being made public.

[@chromatic2006]

There is a contrarian side to humanity, which is a reason why conspiracy theories get popular. Some people like to think that they found some secret that most of society doesn't know about. It's a powerful feeling. But pair this up with social media and internet, and it's poison. But where there is audience, there is money to be made. And thus the books promoting it. It's cornering a market.

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

So politicians and priests can and doctors can´t?

[@diablo.the.cheater]

@@PROVOCATEURSK No, because when doctors do it is more dangerous than when politicians and priests do. Not that is good when pol and pri do it, but when a doc does its worse

[@Mitsoxfan]

Always take a cause and effect and consider the reverse. If people who smoke are less likely to have Parkinsons, then maybe an indicator for Parkinsons is inherent in something about not smoking.

[@yesrun]

@@PROVOCATEURSK nobody should, and no one here is suggesting otherwise. This video and the context of it is specifically about doctors and healthcare experts.

[@danng0756]

I love that you make sure to communicate clearly to the audience and fighting the fight against misinformation.

[@karifeloncik9141]

Gosh, I truly am afraid of some medical professionals. Not saying that all of them are bad but you have to be careful when selecting who you listen to. Crazy.

[@JaneAustenAteMyCat]

That's why you go with the research, because the peer reviewed research will be the closest to the 'truth'. It's not infallible, but nothing is.

[@abbyarsenault3248]

So true. I told my doctor I’m ready to get off anti depressants and she recommended I NEVER go off them EVER

[@MVPTC]

I’ve met more doctors I don’t trust than I do…. Seems like they barely even try to help you anyways

[@bloodshriker4430]

I mean, you should never fully trust a single source. Unless you look into both sides of an argument yourself, you should always take what others say with a grain of sault and assume it could be wrong. There's no such thing as an unbiased source. Even if I look into something myself, I always try to have the mindset that anything I'm reading could potentially be proven false.

[@paran315]

Because those 'medical professionals' are just people who happened to get good grades and pass some exams. Psychopaths, nutjobs, everything is in that group - like any others. But I notice there are especially a lot of pathological narcissists.

[@Oliver5]

So you could say that skydiving without parachute reduce the risk to be in a car crash

[@ryanc473]

Goddamn that's actually a fantastic point/comparison. I'm going to have to steal it when talking about nonsensical correlations lol

[@evilpompom]

Exactly! Well said.

[@HypocritesExposd]

Dr. Gundry: some have survived skydives without a parachute. So skydivers don’t even need a parachutes.

[@theghostoftom]

Near 100% effective, with a slight possibility of landing on or in front of a car.

[@Problemsolver434]

This is gold 😂

[@busterbrown446]

I've been smoking for 40+ yrs and I can admit it has had a negative impact on my health. There are no health benefits to smoking. ZERO It is the hardest habit to quit. I keep trying, but it is really hard. I'm so proud of my young friends who don't smoke. That "Doctor" is crazy. Stand your ground, Dr Mike.

[@magita1991]

Best of luck on quitting. My mom quit and she started when she was 14. You got this

[@stevedorecharley2849]

All the best to you, friend. 🙏🏼

[@amazinga7794]

I really hope you are successful in your quitting journey. Imo with most healthy habits you feel better when you start incorporating them, even if they don't improve your lifespan.

[@49ersglazerfr]

You got this man my grandpa smoked for 50 years and quit and he's still alive to this day at the age of 83.

[@laregimbal]

Best of luck to you! I'm trying to help a friend on the same journey as you. He can get down to that one last smoke and stay there for a very long time, but he hasn't been able to let go completely yet.... 🤞 ❤❤❤

[@Jacob-sw7fk]

I love the way you work through these issues with good research and statistical processes. Thank you

[@zguccijar2240]

I guess you could say that Gundry couldn't handle all that SMOKE...

[@autumn665]

THIS

[@justaghostinthesea]

AYOOO!

[@shellyoss8754]

YOOOOOO

[@jeremyjoyner9796]

YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

[@keorishalashaka2064]

Roasted

[@Seether97]

I am not shocked. He seems the type

[@0SoMeOnE_-.-_hErE0]

@@nevergiveup5939According to steven- “Just smoke.”

[@petrichoriander]

He'd probably be friends with Myron from Fresh and Fit

[@savitar9478]

@@nevergiveup5939idk man, I ain’t the philosophical type of guy

[@VamıkYalman]

​@@nevergiveup5939 The first question is up to you to decide The second: because nothing is eternal Third: No idea honestly

[@nevergiveup5939]

@@savitar9478 But you are a person who has life and you will

[@No0dz]

There is a classic study that found using a helmet to ride a motorcycle greatly increased the chances of injury during an accident. That happens because riders not wearing a helmet died instantly, and thus were not going into the injury statistics. It’s the same effect. In statistics we call it survivorship bias.

[@mercizz]

I know this is supposed to be serious but I can’t help but laugh. “People who wear helmets have a higher chance of getting an injury!” “Yeah, cus people who don’t wear them die instantly.”

[@justaghostinthesea]

I was looking for this comment! Gotta love survivorship bias

[@alveolate]

statistics needs to be taught at grade school level so folks are able to distinguish between these sorts of bogus claims for themselves. it's nice that we have doctor mike to help fend off the grifters; but really everyone should be equipped from young with the knowledge to parry such anti-intellectualism.

[@Darkcamera45]

@@alveolate fr i was lucky to have a good stats teacher that showed us how stats can be mangled to push bs

[@freyakatze3042]

Same thing happend when helmets were indroduced in WW1: Injuries became more common because soldiers now survived injuries they would have died from before helmets.

[@Annanicholek7]

My dad died when I was only 20 years old. He’s been smoking cigarettes since he’s been 13 and died at the age of 62. He also ate junk food + didn’t move enough + stressed a lot. So sure there was a lot going on but cigarettes caused his COPD. He died of the last stages of COPD. It’s very sad because watching his struggle to breathe all the time was horrific. It’s extremely sad! Then my aunt died recently but lived to be 77 although she fought through a battle of COPD as well. The only thing that helped her case was probably less stress. She was a pretty optimistic person. Mind set does a lot for somebody but cigarettes is 100 percent horrible. I’ve never smoked them in my life. I don’t vape. I don’t smoke anything. I learned from watching my dad literally suffocate for years. It’s a scary way to slowly die. Don’t smoke.

[@j.r.2184]

He might say that he doesn't recommend smoking, but the words he used could definitely ENCOURAGE people to continue smoking. That's on him.

[@Orphioux]

For real I am itchin to go grab a box right now tbh I never knew I could enjoy ciggies and live long too

[@waltercomunello121]

imagine a physician indirectly incouraging people to harm themselves. because that's what Gundry did. isn't that against the Hippocratic oath? "I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgment, and I will do no harm or injustice to them. Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, _nor will I suggest such a course_ ." Cigarette smoke is confirmed to be basically a poison. Gundry is suggesting (indirectly, but still) to take it, through enticing towards a longer lifespan.

[@StreakyBaconMan]

I find it hard to believe it's not on purpose either, because he does it all the time. Like at another point in the interview he says you "might as well be eating a Hershey's chocolate bar" if you're eating a bowl of grapes because the sugar content is the same, and when it gets pointed out that grapes have more nutritional value for the amount of sugar they contain than a Hershey's bar he starts trying to make chocolate seem healthy by talking about extra dark chocolate, ignoring that Hershey's is milk chocolate and ignoring the criticism that some people will take that to mean "I might as well eat the Hershey's bar over the bowl of grapes" he simply replied "Might as well..." before later conceding that milk chocolate is in fact worse than eating a bowl of grapes. Still didn't seem interested in changing the way he put that messaging out though.

[@afdasfasdfasdf4205]

He should be the one getting a cease-and-desist letter. This should be considered malpractice.

[@bogbog]

This.

[@arttops2563]

It must be considered malpractice already?! Anyone who knows the laws pretraining to the situation, please inform us because there needs to be some kind of change.

[@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim2918]

@@arttops2563 Gotta get LegalEagle and Ugo Lord on this.

[@deed5811]

​@@arttops2563sounds like a legal eagle collab is in order

[@SigFigNewton]

Find the lawyer who knows how to make him release what companies he was invested in while making these claims

[@michellegeorge6729]

See this is why I follow Doc Mike, he acknowledges that he makes mistakes, but he ensures that he corrects them so the rest of us don't go living with misinformation

[@rizaandroy4ever]

??? Didn’t the other doctor was the one that made the mistake? 😅

[@kumarkartikeya7]

​@@rizaandroy4ever I think this guy is saying that when doctor mike makes mistakes he accepts them and corrects himself. He is not talking about this instance.

[@JimmyVermeer]

Hey, Dr. Mike, I just want to say good luck, I hope you win this court case, and thank you for keeping all of your viewers happy and healthy.

[@blwssme]

The “they die of other diseases beforehand” was so real. Like- if you’re smoking, you’re probably going to end up dying before you have the time to get either of those if you do it enough.

[@MyRegardsToTheDodo]

Those who survive smoking all their lives long enough to be in the relevant age group for dementia patents probably have very good genes, otherwise they wouldn't have survived smoking all their lives. So that basically means that it's their genes that prevent them from getting dementia and all the other diseases, not the smoking.

[@thomgizziz]

Literally not how statistics work if they are done correctly. Smoking could help with parkinsons and dementia, other side effects don't matter to those stats but you are all too slow to use logic and understand numbers and reality.

[@lordraydens]

@@thomgizziz sure, buddy. everyone's wrong but you

[@LynetteTheRogue]

This reminds me of an ex I had who told me that his gpa lived to be 90 while smoking so smoking couldn't be that big of a deal. He shut tf up after I asked him how much longed he thought his gpa could have lived if he hadn't smoked

[@MyRegardsToTheDodo]

@@LynetteTheRogue Somebody who lives to be 90 while smoking all their lives is so extraordinary that it's worth mentioning, while the people who die of lung cancer because they smoked all their lives (however long that was) are so common, that it's not noteworthy.

[@AttackJack33]

3:00 his argument is the equivalent of saying that “20% of crashes are caused by drunk drivers, that means 80% are caused by sober drivers. Statistically, it is safer to drive drunk”, like what???

[@moglaude]

Such a great analogy !!! Demonstrate so well how you can twist numbers to make them say what you want when you refuse to follow a cause / consequence logic !! Hope many read this comment 👌🏻

[@WavyWolf648]

30% of plane crashes are due to bad equipment so it’s safer to fly in a plane with bad equipment

[@michaelcabot3740]

This needs to be pinned!

[@waltercomunello121]

THAT is the point. well said.

[@Kokodesuyoooo]

Gundry doing mental gymnastic 💀

[@EpicWinNoob]

"cease and desist showing people my own words. My own words are damaging to my reputation and I will not stand for it"

[@StephenHayes-nm6df]

It seems like the cease and desist worked. Mike took down the video right? I can't find it anymore. Looks like the other guy won and got him to take it down.

[@EpicWinNoob]

@@StephenHayes-nm6df yet this one that includes the whole clip in question is still up. It's probably privated until the matter is settled. Almost anyone can issue a cease ava desist for any reason, whether it actually holds any water all depends

[@StephenHayes-nm6df]

@@EpicWinNoob Yes. He was definitely required to upload the full video in context. That's what the guy wanted and so Mike had to do it.

[@Hohohohoho-vo1pq]

That was because Mike was misinterpreting what he was saying.

[@lovelyroroa]

Thank you Dr.Mike ❤

[@OgramRavot21]

My Mother smoked and died at 63 yrs young!! FROM SMOKING!!! I HAVE HAD FRIENDS DIED FROM SMOKING THAT GOT LUNG CANCER!!! THIS MAKES ME FURIOUS.

[@Turtleboilol]

Sorry

[@alexis-b5j3p]

All my condolences. ( I think thats how you write it)

[@amandameleen9084]

My mother smoked and died at 62, from cancer. Her mother smoked and died at 68, from cancer. I don't smoke (other than the pack a day I second hand smoked throughout my childhood). I've already had cancer at 39, but am cancer free now. The cycle ends with me, I hope.

[@Maryaminx]

My grandmother died of emphysema. It was not a nice way to go at 64.

[@MsJimmysgirl]

Amen...my mothers brother and my mother both died from lung cancer.

[@pixels4331]

This is ridiculous???

[@nevergiveup5939]

Why are we here in this life, why do we die, what will happen to us after death.

[@nancycruz5508]

Gyatt

[@Iampengin]

That is actually sad.

[@cutehunter9659]

Lmao one guy having existential crisis, the other is confused if this is ridiculous, and the other is just Gyatt

[@pixels4331]

@@cutehunter9659 priorities 😭

[@thefun1711]

Admitting you're wrong is an under-appreciated quality, that many people need to learn. It's one of the reasons I trust Dr. Mike so much, because he has corrected himself, and uses research to explain his beliefs.

[@Petunia3001]

You are not wrong 🙃 But I have noted this as well! It’s disturbing.

[@TheCritizen]

He should correct himself on this, then.

[@dracodaym715]

@@TheCritizenhe ain’t wrong doe

[@TAP7a]

@@TheCritizenthere is nothing for Dr Mike to correct in this area. Gundry is the one with some takes that need to align better with reality.

[@bigchooch4434]

I used to trust Dr. Mike, until he was caught shilling for Fauci, despite all the clinical evidence disproving his claims. It was sad to see someone I thought was fairly unbiased (as unbiased as anyone truly can be) clearly either being paid or otherwise compensated to push a narrative that was actively harming people.

[@ErikStone]

Gundry is a shock doc. He constantly makes wild statements

[@satanicaries2949]

I find it so ironic that some doctors, those who have taken an oath to do no harm, spread ridiculous misinformation like “smoking makes you like longer.” It makes me sick that people think this is ok. Dr Gundry also didn’t have a friendly debate between professionals, he turned into a toddler yelling “I’m right you’re wrong,” when someone dared to have a different opinion than him. Inexcusable behavior for a doctor, let alone an average person. Good on you Dr Mike for not standing for this BS!

[@Michigoose]

I didn't watch the longer interview, but maybe what he's trying to say is that NICOTINE is what is good against Parkinson's and dementia, but the way it's administered is what will kill you. Wanted to add, satanicaries, that I agree with everything you've said but chose to tack my reply onto you because you're up top without dozens and dozens of replies. That cardiothoracic surgeon is nuts - he's giving himself so many future patients that he'll need to operate on for AAA and stents galore.

[@MaidenLoaf]

Just to clarify something, but the Hippocratic Oath which features the words "first do no harm" is actually not sworn by a lot of doctors - it depends on region and so on but a lot of the time there will be other codes that are sworn unto. Many doctors swear no such oath at all. The Hippocratic Oath is a stereotype a lot of the time, so it's not really a good example.

[@cethis]

Calling it nicotinic acid instead of niacin is a glaringly obvious sign of deception to anyone with a high school understanding of chemistry.

[@LabXperiment_]

exactly cause nicotinic acid... isn’t nicotine, surprisingly Dr. Gundry didn't point that out

[@NeoFryBoy]

@@LabXperiment_ no it's not

[@LabXperiment_]

@@NeoFryBoy typo

[@ChristinaMoralesMindfuqed]

I graduated from high school. They didnt teach us that in chemistry class from what i can recall.😅 they didnt even teach us that when i took chemistry as my major in college..

[@LabXperiment_]

I would expect this from a *doctor* who i presume graduated from a medical school

[@maxvern]

"And that's how I lost my medical licence" - Dr .Gundry.

[@Nixeu42]

Given that the Medic was doing heart surgery in that scene, it's even more appropriate.

[@bebopcola2021]

I would trust the Medic with my life. I wouldn't trust Dr. Gundry to file my paperwork, lol.

[@cherylhurst7093]

🤣🤣🤣I wonder if Dr. Gundry would like to become the guinea pig by taking up smoking. Although he may not have a risk for dementia or Parkinson's. Gundry is extremely irresponsible for saying all that.

[@ChristinaMoralesMindfuqed]

😂😂😂😂stoooooppp noo

[@Nixeu42]

@@bebopcola2021 That's generous of you. I wouldn't trust Gundry to look after a house plant. A _plastic_ one.

[@Brooklyn_plays_roblox13]

I know someone that died in his mid 30s-40s due to smoking so I don’t know why that guy thought lives could be made longer from smoking

[@theycallmejodamo]

As someone who’s smoked since I was about 12, I can tell you that the majority of people who do smoke will tell you not to even start because of all the health risks that come with it. What that other “doctor” is doing is devious and reprehensible, all for the sake of views and clicks. He knows what he’s doing. He knows what he’s saying. He just doesn’t care until someone pushes back or lets him hang himself with his own words. Good on Mike for calling him out on his bullshit.

[@jimkelly4214]

I have lost all respect for Gundry.

[@theycallmejodamo]

@@jimkelly4214 I never had any for him to begin with.

[@2pugman]

I smoked for 30 years and quit in 1997. Two years ago I developed COPD. I almost forgot the heart attack in 2010 ! Smoking will kill you.

[@Nefville]

You are still smoking? I quit in 2019 after 15 years and I've never felt better. But you and all current and former smokers know this feeling, there's a ticking clock for us. What will it bring, cancer, COPD, heart disease? How many years did we lose? If you're still smoking, please quit. There are alternatives that while not as healthy as pure fresh air, will cut out 90+% of the risk.

[@theycallmejodamo]

@@Nefville I’m still smoking because every single time someone tells me to quit, I have to do the opposite 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@superfh123]

Integrity should be one of the pillars of being a doctor. If you can't uphold that, your license should be revoked

[@bdbeaudette]

I hope he gets his license revoked.

[@firelordplayz]

Mike lost his integrity during plandemic.

[@briannam3140]

agreed! peer review is such an important part of science and that includes medicine

[@arileinkalra]

It's very clear he can't stand his ego being questioned in the interview, and him sending a cease and desist is even more indicative of that. Thank you for sticking up for the evidence-based medicine, and for those who are not in the medical field and accept him in in the future for their interviews, do your research or ask a doctor for resources beforehand!

[@josephmoore5949]

There was more nuance to his point than him just saying "smoking is great, everybody go do it." The video Dr. Mike posted took what he said out of context and he has every right to protect his reputation.

[@TokyoBlue587]

@@josephmoore5949yeah, nice try, Gundry’s lawyer

[@paradox9369]

What nuance? The dude basically said people who smoke live longer. He refused to even explain when Mike asked WHY during the podcast. So again, what nuance? ​@@josephmoore5949

[@OrdinaryEXP]

@@josephmoore5949 Nuance my ass. Gundry outright explained the (made-up) benefits of smoking (Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease), while confronting the host and the other guest with just a stern "you are wrong" dismissal while talking over them as loudly as he could. He made himself clear that he believes smoking is beneficial to one's health, and he is all for it.

[@CrimsonFlameRTR]

​@@OrdinaryEXP "He made himself clear that he believes smoking is beneficial to one's health, and he is all for it." This is just completely made up. He said certain people lived long because they smoked because it was paired with other things. Now, you don't have to believe that's true and he admitted it was a theory, but he never said smoking is beneficial to one's health. You just lied. Plain and simple

[@erdrickk]

I completely agree with Dr. Mike’s perspective, but I wanted to address the issue of misinformation, especially with regard to your video title, "Why This Doctor Is Trying To Sue Me." The title implies that legal action is actively being pursued, while in reality, the only legal measure mentioned was a cease and desist letter. This letter is not a lawsuit but rather a warning that could potentially escalate into one. Now, it’s possible there’s more to the story that we aren’t privy to, and Dr. Mike has every right to keep certain details private if he chooses. Respecting his boundaries is important, as legal matters can be nuanced and complex. However, I only wanted to bring this up because the video itself centers on addressing misinformation, making the title choice a bit ironic. Framing the situation as an ongoing lawsuit aligns more with "clickbait" and could be seen as misleading, especially in a video aiming to clarify facts.

[@4RILDIGITAL]

Great work on debunking the misinformation. It's important to keep in mind that correlation doesn't imply causation - even when it come to smoking and health related issues. Let's stick to reliable evidence and prioritize public health knowledge over personal gains.

[@carlyar5281]

Dr. Mike, my 13-year-old son watches your channel and I am so very grateful that you are pushing back on medical misinformation because our kids are watching. I’ve enjoyed watching KZbin channel for number of years and this episode might be my favourite BECAUSE you are not being bullied or silenced by a quack. He’s trying to scare you with a cease and desist letter, because he’s a bully and doesn’t want to be held responsible for his own words. Thank you for standing up. We’ve got your back!

[@kjono4611]

He's actually correct with the cease and desist. If you re-listen to the section of this video where Doctor Mike addresses the content of the cease and desist, it is solely about the fact that the short - being out of context - portrays the other Doctor as recommending smoking, which he doesn't. He isn't saying "I don't want to be held responsible for my own words" he is saying, "Your short paints me in a false narrative suggesting I endorse smoking which I don't, take it down as it's harmful to me" He isn't asking for the podcast to be removed, or for the specific section of misinformation he said during the podcast to be removed; he only wants the short that falsely portrays him as recommending smoking removed, and he is correct to do so. I'm not sure why Doctor Mike glosses over this and focuses on the factuality of the information given by the other Doctor, but the incorrect information that was given by the other Doctor has absolutely nothing to do with the cease and desist. Given the content of the cease and desist, it's not an attempt to bully, silence or scare Doctor Mike, but instead the correct legal response to a form of defamation caused by an out of context short creating a misleading and false narrative. It would be right for Doctor Mike to, in this instance, remove the short as it is defamatory.

[@bluedragonfly8139]

​@@kjono4611 It's not 'out of context' , Dr. 'Smoking helps you live longer' is just a bully who can't handle people disagreeing with him.

[@TheSleepSteward]

Can we please have "Dr" Gundry's license to practice medicine revoked? This guy is a legitimate danger to society and his patients. A genuine risk.

[@glitchplaysgames714]

I hope we can

[@tander101]

Yeah he scammed me out of $350 a couple years ago

[@skullchimes]

@@charismatic9467 but kids need vaccines to easily prevent certain diseases?? what are you on about

[@declaringpond2276]

​​@@charismatic9467do you not give your kids the measles v, or the chickenpox v? Your kid is required to have 15 different v's to even enter high school, and this was all pre pandemic, it's not knew information or policy. Did you know the military requires 35 different v's, including the latest one? Now why would the best military in the world want to hurt their soldiers?

[@randywilliams5605]

@@charismatic9467 You're out of your god damned mind.

[@lindag4544]

Retired doc here. usually hate online MDs, but Dr Mike is terrific, AND so so damn cute..

[@Kaitlyn.Moore.]

Ugh, first not your fault. A bad jerk (Gundry) using a good platform (Mike’s) who challenges him is what we need more of. Sensationalized press will always cherry pick. Thank you for challenging him because I have family who are loyal followers of Gundry and your podcasts and videos have help break the facade just a tiny bit. I hope it helps break it down fully.

[@WhisperingWempe]

Good comment (yours) 👍❤

[@bringbackdislikes3195]

@@nevergiveup5939 We don't know

[@theparkourlady894]

Yeah this guy seems like those social media people who use bad press and controversy to increase their ratings coz ppl love to go against that stuff so it gets tons of hype

[@khadijah5601]

​@@nevergiveup5939answer- • life is like a decision game, we're here to be tested in different situations... • Every living thing in the world WILL face death, one way or another ... • we will come back to life to live forever in the afterlife which never ends wether in hell or in heaven

[@loveatomb]

@@theparkourlady894 like a medical andrew tate

[@KaiserGora]

The fact that Gundry felt that he could say anything when two different doctors were fact-checking him and got upset that is mind blowing.

[@austin.luther]

I'm a molecular scientist and I work in the lab of a big urology practice. Smoking is the leading risk factor for bladder cancer. To the point where if I'm analyzing FISH specimens and see "smoker" in the patient history I know it's probably going to be positive. Also, nicotinic acid is not the same as nicotine. It's a variety of vitamin B3. I think this doctor got confused because of the name, even though it's more commonly caller niacin.

[@eunikehalim92]

Dang!!!!

[@natsukitatsumakiniji]

Thank you for commenting this! It definitely clears up what nicotinic acid is. It also makes me wonder if Gundry chose that term instead of niacin, knowing his audience will also assume its nicotine-related so it might improve his rhetoric. The hope is, as you pointed out, that he mixed their names up.

[@angelachouinard4581]

Thanks for this comment. People can have opinions about things outside their area of expertise but it doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. Big difference between a toxic alkaloid and a needed vitamin.

[@yihadistxdl951]

finally someone in the comments mentions this. niacin and nicotine are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS

[@-Burb]

I think I’m being really dumb, but how do fish smoke?

[@Teo117]

Dr. Mike for the win! Keep us informed!!

[@RiceyWifey1]

I send this video to my father, he's a doctor for more than 40 years. All he said was this doctor should have his license revoked, people tend to believe in doctors and when they spread misinformation it's a pain to deal with the aftermath.

[@RebeccaEgilson]

Sadly where I live, even when they aren’t allowed to practice they still lecture/tour/post online

[@LisaJPStuff]

​@@RebeccaEgilson yep, just look at "Dr" Phil. He ain't no board certified doctor and hasn't been for many years because he got up to some f*d up stuff & was told he needed to do some relearning before he could practice again. He didn't want to do he switched tracks.

[@spinchsprimkle6541]

Gundry "doesn't recommend smoking", but yells "You're wrong!" when you tell him smoking causes multiple health issues. He can't have it both ways.

[@bdbeaudette]

Which is why I will never listen to a thing Gundry says.

[@jayATUK]

💯 Agree

[@Aizen11507]

“Yeah, because they die of ten other diseases beforehand,” at 3:10 WENT HARD.

[@totkfan]

yeah fr

[@radiohead_lover16]

how is he a licensed professional… misinformation is so dangerous and i can’t believe that dude even has a platform

[@lydia6743]

Hey, I know there's a slim chance you'll see this, but I just graduated high school and got my foot in the door of the medical field as a patient monitor tech and an aspiring nurse anesthesiologist. I basically grew up on your KZbin videos, which opened my eyes to the right career for me. It all started with your silly meme reviews, which sparked my interest and helped me stay upbeat during difficult times like the coronavirus pandemic. When I started working as a lifeguard a few years back, your voice ran through my head during CPR training, yelling "Chest compressions, chest compressions, chest compressions!" Thank you for being my inspiration to pursue a future career in the medical field.

[@thetiredwitch]

a beautiful comment! i hope your dreams come true ❤

[@kimk7323]

Good luckk!!!

[@currryspice]

Congrats on graduating!! And good luck moving forward!! :)

[@im_Spade_]

Good job on graduating--keep up the good work and save people's lives. It's one of the most important jobs in the world ❤

[@DashurieHysa]

Good luck on your school

[@alzarinet5948]

A large amount of times people send cease and desists is because they have no legal avenue to actually sue you on and are trying to intimidate you into doing what they want, Really appreciate people like you debunking things like this for us!

[@brandelynnefreleng7597]

My personal evidence related to this is my grandfather. He had five brothers, all of them smoked. He was the only one who didn’t. He outlived all five of them. Did he have dementia? Yes. Did the others have dementia? Only one. But he also had lung cancer. The lung cancer got him first.

[@ameliarose47]

Literally Dr. Mike's case in point "yeah because you'll die of 10 other diseases first before you get dementia".

[@p.hearting9992]

Out of the five was your grandfather the oldest, youngest or middle child?

[@brandelynnefreleng7597]

@@p.hearting9992 middle, also six. He had five brothers and he was one of them.

[@Pain53924]

As long as you don't draw any conclusions from anecdotal evidence, it's fine

[@brandelynnefreleng7597]

@@Pain53924 what’s fine lol? Also what conclusion would I draw from this that isn’t also supported by non-anecdotal evidence? Even cited in this very video?

[@PotatoVoid255]

0:25 he probably smoked too much

[@SageeRagee]

That’s crazyyyyy 💀✋

[@itsthemaggieshow]

When you're in an argument and you're trying to make a point, and the other person just keeps interrupting you with "you're wrong", that sounds like a huge red flag to me.

[@ChristinaMoralesMindfuqed]

Huge manipulative tactic.😅 especially in that passive aggressive tone.

[@Labriction]

A classic move done by religious parents wordwide. Reminds me that one time when an uncle asked a lesbian to dance with me in the prom like thing , he was arguing religious stuff and i was arguing holes in his argument , and he just had ,”you’re wrong” and ,”im the elder you’re the child”. He was saying that god choses your partner and that he told him to do it or something like that

[@mattconley2815]

Ladies and gentlemen, the comments have discovered gaslighting.

[@CrouchingGrandpa]

Any doctor who glamorises smoking publicly in any way should have their license at least reviewed if not revoked.

[@gallagherwitt]

"How dare you post a clip of things I said into a hot mic in front of a camera on a podcast where I knew anything and everything I said could potentially end up on the internet!!"

[@JuanJuarez-sm4wx]

This guy brought my tension headache back

[@IRanOutOfPhrases]

"Hey! Take down that clip of me saying the things I said! That's not fair!" Smart guy whose opinion should be valued.

[@StephenHayes-nm6df]

It seems like the cease and desist worked. Mike took down the video right? I can't find it anymore.

[@MeeesterBond17]

​@@StephenHayes-nm6df Might be YT that took it down.

[@alltoohalliwell]

My mom has COPD because she smoked for about 20ish years. I quit after 11ish years. I was also a nurse assistant for 7yrs in nursing homes and hospitals, and I have seen what smoking can do to a person. I absolutely loathe people like him

[@djanime317]

I definitely relate to you, last month I found out my mom had COPD and she hid it from the family for over a year, and she’s still smoking unfortunately, people like that Doctor saying smoking will enhance lives infuriates me so much…..

[@NZKiwi87]

It’s revolting that a Dr can say these things, all for money. We all know it’s all for money.

[@alltoohalliwell]

@djanime317 I'm so sorry to hear that. Hopefully with support from family, she'll start her journey to quitting

[@RunicSigils]

Saying you saw the results of it actually doesn't mean anything. Someone saw all of the rarest diseases ever happen, it doesn't mean you need to be worried about them just because someone could make the exact same post about them that you just did. You're doing the same thing he's doing.

[@alltoohalliwell]

@@RunicSigils this has got to be THE dumbest comment I have ever read.

[@bp491]

As a smoker with no current intention of stopping, I think it is disgusting for anyone, let alone a medical professional, to even hint that smoking could have a net positive effect! Thankyou Dr Mike

[@chuunwtf]

live your life the way you want but can i ask why knowing the effects you still continue?

[@mallninja9805]

@@chuunwtf Because tomorrows problems are for tomorrow-me to worry about, and I hate that guy!

[@bp491]

@@chuunwtf Honestly, the only answer I can give is that everyone has a vice. I’ve made a lot of questionable choices in terms of drugs and also just in general during my time. I’ve always come back to just wanting to smoke - doesn’t matter what it is, just wanting the sensation of inhaling and exhaling

[@theedmee]

@@bp491 Appreciate your honesty on the topic! I agree with your vice theory, and can admit I haven't made perfect decisions my entire adult life. We're still human.

[@charliekowittmusic]

⁠@@chuunwtfWhy do people drink alcohol and soda, eat fast and ultra-processed food, drive fast, scroll on their phones for hours? People do stuff they want to do, especially if it makes them feel good. I’m not endorsing smoking whatsoever. But it’s weird how smokers get treated in our society compared to drinkers, obese over-eaters, etc.

[@cassaraosborne2690]

I'm not planning to smoke anyway in the future because I know it's bad for our health. He's wrong, you're right so I hope this argument has to come to an end. Don't give up Dr. Mike!

[@TheHammerGuy94]

as a socially akward person, I never understood smoking at all. Though, I'm one of those kids that was exposed to anti-smoking ad campaigns before I knew what a cigar was.

[@Terrivel119]

“You’re wrong.” “But why?” “You’re wrong.” Yes, what a compelling argument, Dr. Gundry.

[@byuftbl]

That’s because he knows he doesn’t have a good argument. People just say “you’re wrong” and refuse to say why, because they know they don’t have a good answer for why.

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

If you interview a duck, don't be surprised if the duck "quacks" at you.

[@Chara_Dreemurr001]

@@Ryan_DeWittGood one 😂

[@agx8447]

Literally every argument on the internet ever

[@TheGuy3183]

I mean he is wrong, he doesnt know batshit about vapes and cigarettes 😂 ooo smoke burns lungs! Yeah well that can be prevented, also cigarettes and vapes lead to a stable body and mental health.

[@amarug]

friend of mine is a cardio thoracic surgeon at one of the most prestigious hospitals in the country and he sure saves lives every day, but he once said "this is a braindead job, basically just a plumber, don't take health advice from us, we are first and foremost craftsmen, not thinkers"

[@hangtownranger]

That is someone who is very self aware. I deal with clients every day where their drs can’t advise them on self care, and they are left wondering what to do. And yet everywhere we are told “ask your dr” They don’t know. And they don’t care, they stopped caring when the interest on their loans kicked in.

[@warrensaint]

So ONE surgeon says this and u are implying it relates to all cardiothoracic surgeons? That's asinine.

[@BlairIsntHome]

@@warrensaint so arugementative for no reason. he was simply stating that just because someone is a cardiothoracic surgeon, doesnt mean they are always qualified to give the best health advice. please calm down

[@Rebecca-zj4wq]

Or as my chief of medicine aunt said about plans to create a Health advocacy initiative spearheaded by surgeons "They can barely be trusted to talk to their own patients. Whose idea was it to put them in charge of public speaking?"

[@robo5013]

The reason most doctors specialize in surgery is that is the only way they can become doctors. They weren't able to pass the classes required to practice medicine but they are good with their hands. He's right, surgeons are mechanics that work on human bodies, but unlike a car mechanic they are unable to diagnose what is wrong only repair it.

[@brockreynolds870]

Even is smoking INCREASED my life span, I still wouldn't do it. There is no quality of life in smelling like a ashtray 24/7

[@darkwinter6028]

Oddly enough, smokers smell much worse than ashtrays… I think it’s the necrotic tissues in their lungs and the buildup of tar. 🤢

[@Kloetenhenne]

​@@darkwinter6028combime it with coffee breath and you've got the worst smell ever

[@dietotaku]

i don't know how any smokers - tobacco or marijuana - can stand the smell. if i walk past someone smoking tobacco, i feel like i'm trapped in a 5-alarm warehouse fire. and if you've smoked pot anytime in the last 12 hours, bet i can smell your skunk ass from across the parking lot. who wants to walk around reeking of roadkill?

[@Livelihood3]

my mom passed because she smoked for so many years of her life, she had spots on her lungs and the cancer killed her within 2 weeks. nicotine kills and it's painful on the way to the coffin.

[@kittimfh]

It's crazy that a doctor ignored that correlation does not mean causation. I got my bachelor's and that was emphasized in SO MANY classes. That man has his doctorate, he KNOWS this. What a tool. I'm so glad Dr. Mike makes complex subjects approachable.

[@janejustin1788]

He wants to trend, that's why he's making the stupid claims. The more he trends, the famous he becomes

[@kittimfh]

@janejustin1788 I believe that, but why call for Dr. Mike to cease and desist? He's getting the attention he wants, it's just not going unchecked which is exactly what should be done with misinformation.

[@janejustin1788]

@@kittimfh maybe he wants to show his stupid fans he believes in and means what he says. he's truly evil

[@katieheys3007]

@@kittimfh Probably because he knows he's gone too far on this one. Telling people not to eat tomatos because they increase the risk of cancer and people say "Oh that's interesting" But when people have had friends and family die from diseases caused by smoking, they tend to not be as forgiving.

[@italianmusicdiscography7915]

Like some of my professors (pharmaceutics degree) said "doctors don't do science, they do medicine. Yet, they think they have the ability to understand scientific papers. Those of you who will choose to become pharmacists and science communicators have the responsibility of educating people, and it will often involve disproving what doctors said"

[@tonig.1546]

I would not be surprised if this guy received “generous donations” by certain corporate entities.

[@niqlemon]

First thought that crossed my mind

[@celesteerendrea4762]

Probably owns stock.

[@sathvamp1]

Exactly except I THOUGHT that sort of thing happening concerning cigarettes was long gone by now. NEXT UP: Battle against RoundUp / glyphosate... soon we will view that chemical (and the food that allows it; non-organic food) as "obviously harmful" too, although that "still has controversy" because the selling corporations haven't gotten 100% defeated yet. But it's getting worked on.

[@allisonlong8857]

I just mentioned that in my comment. Makes you wonder.

[@Soccerperson1000]

One reason I love Dr. Mike is that he will constantly come and correct himself when new evidence is found, or even when he realizes he himself was wrong. He'll put himself on blast for incorrect info, and do his best to fix it. And if he doesn't understand a specific science, he'll bring in a specialized doctor for what he's talking about and make sure to listen to them since that's their area of expertise. Dr Gundry is one of those guys who will say something, have it come back and say "hey we changed our findings after 600+ studies" and double down on the original. And if he doesn't know a specific thing he'll pretend he does because he's "a Doctor and doctors are always right."

[@Jakesmusings]

your interview with Dr. Dumbass, and how you pushed back with a perfect co-host/co-interviewee, as well as science. I subscribed today to help support your channel and your work battling misinformation around medical science!

[@honeybadgerbomb4469]

I hate people saying "You're wrong" without giving actual good counterpoints, or cherrypicking points or sources

[@GGEarle-l9s]

He sent the C&D for some drama and to make himself a victim. Did he recommend smoking, no, did he not recommend smoking,... Dr. Mike, you are a pleasure. Truly appreciate the YT's you share, lots of great stuff! Thank you!

[@0SoMeOnE_-.-_hErE0]

The fact that he is a real doctor and actually studied the effects of smoking…just makes it worse 😒

[@SilvaDreams]

He hasn't even done studies on any of it. He just cherry picks parts of studies to support his claims even if they don't directly support by taking only the good parts of the study but ignoring the rest of it.

[@mspw7]

It's sociopathic behavior on the part of Gundry. He's profiting by causing suffering.

[@SigFigNewton]

I’ve encountered Gundry before. I remember him as a salesman, not a public informer

[@mesiroy1234]

Psychrist are even worse then him Trust me I seen some. Also his voice is unbrable Ducking smug unbrable😂

[@0SoMeOnE_-.-_hErE0]

Oh…like nails on a chalkboard…except in its human incarnation

[@UnderstandingU]

The world needs more individuals like Dr. Mike who has the courage to speak the truth.

[@RaiderGirlChell]

"My respect for you is immense. " ~ Jon Taffer. My respect for you continues to grow. Thank you for fighting back against misinformation and doing so in a respectful and mature manner.

[@pillowdargon]

Old boy was mad that someone finally called him out on his bullshit. Clearly he lived in the era when people originally thought smoking was healthy.

[@kalkhalinzhui1753]

Why I'll have you know that more doctors smoke Camel than any other brand of cigarettes! Yeah that's right! I've seen the commercials that I was definitely NOT too young to have seen on black and white TV sets!

[@Peatingtune]

He's from the time when a "Dr." in front of someone's name meant everyone else, including younger doctors, had to sit the hell down, shut their mouths, and nod in agreement to everything being said.

[@TheCynedd]

Lung cancer patient here (of course a former smoker). I am pretty sure if I had not smoked I would still have a left lung. My last CT shows there may be problems with the right one. I am glad that your debate partner was not my thoracic surgeon!

[@MrMisterBlondie]

By gosh do I find this wholesome and 100% support it.