Why This Doctor Who Character Will NEVER Come Back

[@HarboWholmes]

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[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

Some theories speculates that the High Priestess Ohila of the Sisterhood of Karn might be an incarnation of The Rani who rejected her identity and evil, psychotic experimentations-- which would explain why both her and The Doctor acts so familiar toward each other, as well as her schemes and behavior been reminiscent of The Rani.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

@11:22 Actually some more, if you count Perusa, the War Chief... and, to some extent, the Celestial Toymaker (he's a conceptual being, but it has been stated in the Wilderness Era novels that he has been hosting the body of a Time Lord and childhood friend of both the Doctor, the Rani and The Master for untold aeons, least until the Fifth Doctor deletes the Celestial Toymaker off-series) .

[@graysonlaudat272]

Bring back the rani

[@waynegray2284]

That pi box is about 20 mins away from me

[@CaptDingDong]

The ban on bringing back time lord characters is so phony, especially considering they effortlessly invented, re-created or revived lady time lords during the Moffatt and Chibnall era whenever they wanted to, without caring about "the time-lords are no more" supposed new rules they had set up. How can one say there is no demand for them, while also acknowledging there are tons of fans clamoring for them to return? Which is it? Face it, the show runners don't care about pleasing the fans, and that's why they haven't come back.

[@lazulenoc6863]

I like the idea of Omega being a guy who's just standing in a random wardrobe or wandering aimlessly in a BBC warehouse. Maybe he'll just wander on set, get confused and wander back to his warehouse. That would be a great visual joke the next time a crazy person brings Gallifrey back.

[@warrenny1168]

Surely omegastill alive stuck in the antimatter universe or whatevernit is?

[@andrewhayden9545]

I’m sorry Harbo but The Rani and The Master are in no way the same beyond both being Time Lords. The Master is someone who wants to rule the universe purely for power and is obsessed with The Doctor meanwhile The Rani is a scientist who who wants to gain knowledge and will do it by any means necessary. She doesn’t care about The Doctor or The Master unless she needs to use them for something like in ‘Time of The Rani’.

[@brianartillery]

The Rani has no respect for either The Master, or The Doctor. She sees them both as idiots, always trying to defeat each other. She's a scientist with no scruples or morals. She experimented on the simple inhabitants of the planet Miasimia Goria, to enhance their awareness, but just made them violent. That's the kind of person she is - viewing the people of a quiet planet, as expendable laboratory fodder for her evil experiments.

[@mleav2]

Also the Rani is potentially more dangerous as she is not insane.

[@honesto4696]

The Rani is also a part of The Doctor's backstory. While probably not as close as The Master ever was, The Doctor and The Rani have some kind of history together. I couldn't formerly recall, or find if they attended The Timelord Academy together, but according to the classic story, Time and The Rani, they share the same age (speculative), and she said that The Doctor specialized in thermodynamics (he might have had different specialties, but she definitely knew that he was very proficient in this). Plus, one of her experiments caused Lord President Pandad to regenerate. Any Timelord, who was able to have themself, or one their experiments get that close to him, must have been valued as a significant scientific asset. Also, any Timelord who caused the president to regenerate, would be deemed a significant threat to their government.

[@cameronmcgregor2583]

I don't think he said they were the same but meant that they would be written the same and practically serve the same purpose

[@aeloswindrunner]

I suppose you could have the Rani surviving the Master's razing of Gallifrey, and seeking revenge against the Master. Maybe their conflict has a huge risk of collateral damage so the Doctor needs to intervene

[@patchodraws9200]

or maybe her and the doctor have to reluctantly team up to stop the master, albeit with different motives (justice vs. revenge). it could eventually lead to a very dramatic falling out, or just a series of interesting philosophical debates about the nature of what they each do, leaving the rani to vanish after the story with a tenuous at best relationship with the doctor (and the potential for a future villain story for her).

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

Hm.

[@greghawkins59]

Love that idea actually

[@fmlazar]

She was a rogue time lord in exile, no need for her to have been on Galifrey when it was decimated.

[@parrot998]

The simple idea that The Master got everyone with whatever he did is rediculous on it's face. He said he did, but of course he said he did... He might even somehow believe he did... Gallifrey as a political power is gone, but it's pretty clear a decent amount of the Timelords fled to the winds. Flux even all but confirmed this in it's first episode through the heavy amount of implying that Swarm's guard is a Timelord... Not only because absorbing her allowed him to regenerate, but because she had been watching him for literal millenia.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

Some theories speculates that the High Priestess Ohila of the Sisterhood of Karn might be an incarnation of The Rani who rejected her identity and evil, psychotic experimentations-- which would explain why both her and The Doctor acts so familiar toward each other, as well as her schemes and behavior been reminiscent of The Rani.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

that makes way too much sense…of course that would be too farfetched even for Doctor Who

[@TheManInBlueFlames]

My fantasy/headcannon is that Rani from the Sarah Jane Adventures is actually THE RANI regenerated, but has one of those time lord watches to stop her remembering. The reason she chose to hide her identity is A) the theoretical destruction of gallifrey B) She wanted to get close to the Doctor so that she could do a deal with the Trickster to stop him by targeting a close ally.

[@danielernest973]

And living in 'Bannerman' Road too?

[@josgibbons6777]

"A big part of the Rani's appeal was basically just that she was a female alternative to the Master." I'm sick of this bare-faced lie. The Master's appeal is being the anti-Doctor; the Rani, who has a low opinion of them both for focusing on each other, is a scientist without research ethics.

[@carealoo744]

Agreed.

[@ftumschk]

_"We asked writers Pip and Jane Baker to come up with a story featuring The Master and _*_an evil female counterpart,_*_ who was NOT to be called 'The Mistress'..."_ - Memoirs of John Nathan Turner

[@carealoo744]

@@ftumschk They went above and beyond with that.

[@ShamrockParticle]

@@carealoo744 to such an extent that JNT loved the new character in the way Pip and Jane Baker crafted her nuances, as well as a number of fans.

[@ftumschk]

@@carealoo744 I found her rather unremarkable as a villain, tbh, but that's not to diminish Kate O'Mara's performance. She was brilliant in both her stories, but they might as well have written them around the Master.

[@bsabruzzo]

The Master has become the Joker to the Doctor's Batman. The Rani would have been more of a Riddler. And before we say that the Great Intelligence was that, that villain was more a Dr. Hugo Strange. I'm sure the Meddling Monk and the others can get representation, too. But the Rani was always more of a thinker and the Master became more of a "destroy the wold" madman.

[@creed8712]

Rani as characterized in her first story’s basically Dr strange in they are both morally bankrupt scientists

[@bsabruzzo]

@@creed8712 I can see that. My point is, she is not just a "female Master".

[@charlestownsend9280]

If we're going with the batman thing I think the monk is red hood, as they're basically the doctor but with no restraints when it comes to changing time, just like how red hood is batman with no restraints on killing. Omega is two face, a character who tried making everyone's lives better and got horribly injured because of it and has now been driven mad. That one fits really well. The valeyard is the batman who laughs. Rassilon is raz al goul.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

nah, she was Hugo Strange to The Doctor’s Batman

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@creed8712 exactly, Hugo Strange to the Batman

[@sh-spectrum409]

IIRC I heard speculations about the Timeless Child actually being the Rani which would’ve fitted considering how self-absorbed of a character she is and the Doctor was in fact experimented on by the Rani and that’s why he has those repressed memories.

[@patchodraws9200]

if they ever got their hands on the right to use her, i feel like the best way to do her justice would be to focus more on her as a mad scientist than as a time lord. not only could that make for some interesting stories (the world always needs more mad scientists, especially lady ones - looking at you doctor olivia octavius), it would allow them to actually characterize her beyond just the idea that she's the female master or the other evil timelord. let the rani be her own villain who just so happens to also be a timelord !!

[@calumgardner6936]

Even if RTD could never bring The Rani back in his new run of the show for Ncuti to face off against, the idea of a brand new rouge time lord whether good or bad that could actually give both The Master AND The Doctor a run for their money (which is what I think Moffat & Neil Gaiman gave us a little morsel of in The Doctor’s Wife with The Corsair) would be a pretty cool idea to bring into the mix and would nicely skate around the problem

[@XiscoLozdob]

The Master and the Rani are such fundamentally different characters that I don't know how you could make "a Master story that just has the Rani in it", especially considering how important the relationship between the Master and the Doctor has become in the modern series. Not only are her motivations completely different, and a nice change of pace, but the way she'd interact with the Doctor should change drastically too. I mean, it could happen, but we haven't had "a Sontara story that just had the Cybermen in it" yet, so I'm sure they'd do something interesting with her if it ever happens.

[@Krshna28]

We need some Timelord charaters that are not the Master. Also also some new villains that can have recurring apperances. I would like a good 2-4 series without the Master, Daleks and Cybermen.

[@shmikex]

Tecteun should have been revealed to be The Rani. The scientist with no ethics, once she experimented on her adopted daughter enough to be able to control the secret to regeneration, she has since been looking for the next thing to top that, and no longer has the attachment of her daughter and therefore dropped her original name for something more Timelordy I guess. Eventually she joins the Time War and in a moment of softness as "The Woman" at the End of Time who looks at the Doctor when the rift opens. And finally once Galifrey is free from the time lock she escapes to the world between worlds and re-claims her identity as Tecteun.

[@3000agape]

Fascinating.

[@SammEater]

This would require the writer to actually be good instead of a hack fraud working with Chibs.

[@Josh-ze6xo]

I just want to see more new rogue timelords that while maybe not villains could maybe morally neutral/grey

[@jbcatz5]

The Monk would be ideal for a new series appearance. He opens up an ethical examination of what kind and how much interference is justified, and what crosses the line. Like his debut in The Time Meddler it’s perfect for a pseudo historical, having a historical setting without having to shoehorn a monster or racist in because the conflict comes from the Monk’s interference.

[@doctorvanya]

I think there's definite untapped potential in the Monk. Today's audiences are much more savvy in about the idea of changing history and alternate timelines, meaning there's much more you could do with the concept. He's not villainous in the same way as the Master so could open up alternative story possibilities.

[@paulwright774]

I think the main reason people have wanted the Rani to return is because of red herrings that were placed back during the Donna Noble era to keep the fans speculating and theorizing. RTD was real good at keeping us guessing and I'm really looking forward to him coming back to the series nice and refreshed. I can live without The Rani coming back. Regarding timelords they should bring back though... I think most of us can agree that a course correction is required on the whole timelords wiped out by The Master thing.

[@senonimoustv2497]

Ehh I get wanting to dustance yourself from the timeless child fiasco but the timelords being deas or mostly dead added weight to the Doctor as a character. The less you see of the timelords the more ancient and cool they seem.

[@masterkyoogway3565]

I'd love them to bring her back of they focused more on the "evil scientist" side of her, cause that's what drew me to her in comparison to the master who was just evil for the chaos.

[@OperativeD]

I've learned over the years to "Never Say Never" I hope the character is able to return one day. She's more than just a "female Master" and could certainly shake things up with her experimental researcher gimmick. Possibly lower stakes in terms of Who, but after so many "universe ending" perils I think it's time to take things down a notch.

[@mostamused2797]

Never knew about the copyright problem. Thanks for the info. I would love to see Lalla Ward back as Romana. Maybe even regenerate into Idris Alba!

[@BinroWasRight]

You're probably right. The Rani is a great concept that has been done infamously poorly twice. At this point, as much as I love the recent incarnations of the Master, I am ready for a break from the Doctor's archnemesis. Seeing the War Chief, Monk, Rani, Valeyard and/or Omega again, properly spaced out of course and with them doing something new and interesting that doesn't just make them a Master cipher, would be lovely. In her debut 'The Mark of the Rani' I loved the contrast between sassy but moral hero (Doctor), moustache-twirling and malevolent immoral villain (Master) and cold and detached amoral scientist (Rani).

[@DavidProv]

I honestly thought Missy was The Rani for almost ALL of series 8...like up until she revealed herself to be the newest incarnation of the Master.

[@Chloe1sylvester1234]

Missy was supposed to be the Rani but The Master is more popular so the produces made her The Master instead.

[@thomasjohnson8391]

I have a theory The Rani used the chameleon arch to turn herself into Jackie from ab fab to hide and have died after. And also she was one of the children of gallifrey who was inspired by the time vortex. And she appeared in dimensions in time

[@Tigershark_3082]

@@owntmpsn I mean, Jackie and The Ranni *do* look kinda similar

[@ShamrockParticle]

LOL, nice tie-in and Kate nails it in AbFab

[@SenecaOmega]

I read quite some time ago, that RTD stated that at the end of the Last of the Time Lords the hand that was seen picking up Saxon's signet ring was intended to be the Rani, but was changed to be Lucy Saxon. Does anyone else remember this?

[@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs.]

The Rani wasn't a female Master at all. She was a scientist with no concept of empathy or humanity. Pair her with a good writer and you'd have a ready-made story highlighting the moral and ethical quandaries of experimenting on forms of life we deem "lower".

[@captainsinclair7954]

Rather than a new Anti-Doctor Timelord character, the writers should make an antihero Timelord: i.e. a Timelord who The Doctor doesn’t find to be a good ally, but someone who will aid them in defeating a common foe. And this antihero Timelord could have an arc over many seasons where they become more of an actual hero. I could especially see this being a Timelord from the middle to late part of the Time War, narrowly escaping in a Battle Tardis with a nearly depleted supply of munitions. A Doctor-like Character with actual “teeth” to bite with instead of just bark bark bark… the possibilities are endless.

[@ArgentWolf95]

that would be interesting, a time lord who is more willing to destroy his enemies with less ethical means but for the right reasons.

[@xyon172]

With new Who, The Master just gets more nutty and dastardly. The Rani looked down on both the Doctor and The Master. The Doctor fo his Mrals, and the Master for his lack of vision. With the way the show is produced now and the character growth afforded, I still think The Rani could bring a very dfferent dynamic to the now over trodden battle of the equal but opposite Time Lord. She may not be NEEDED, but a good team could use her to work against the Doctor in ways The Master has kind of moved past or can't seem to be written in to.

[@lillywaters]

honestly, i think she could easily be used in new who. She is a different character and what her goals are in a lot of ways a lot darker than the master due to the fact she tries to hide behind science for her cruelty...i also think she would have had no part in the war but instead used it to cover up some of her experiments as everyone was so focused on the time war. I believe she can be a character who can stand on her own without being overshadowed by the master, and in fact, she could easily use the master when she wanted to.

[@HaloPrime212]

The Rani was a scientist who cared nothing about the master and Doctor The Rani didn’t care unless it came to her research

[@seanembery9391]

The Rani wasn't strictly evil. She was a scientist first & foremost. Focused on her research, bit arrogant with it as many scientists can be. Results first. If her test subjects went wrong she simply put them down. Biolabs everywhere do the same thing with "lower" life forms all the time. She probably spent the whole timewar getting on with what she was doing as far away as possible & ignored it 'til it got in her way.

[@roberts.2300]

Honestly the Rani is a bit of a back list type of rouge timelord. Unless they heavily differentiate her from the master. Lean more into the mad scientist angle with the next incarnation. Beyond the two Rogues I would love to show up would be the Monk or Big Finsh's The Eleven. I would love to see an onscreen appearance of Marc Bonnard character including other incarnations.

[@philnewton-england7795]

I always wanted The Rani to come back, but after seeing what they did to The Doctor and The Master, I'm quite glad they didn't.

[@timothyweers8054]

One timelord to return could be Drax from Armageddon Factor, he could be as you say up to his toenails in trouble and the Doctor has to bail him out as he likes to freelance in helping out and doesn't take much to do something wrong.

[@Nightman221k]

I wish the Rani could show up again. I did always wonder why she never showed up. Thanks for explaining it.

[@richallenxbox1976]

Meh, she only ever showed up about twice in the classic series, towards the end of the Colin Baker era of the mid to late 80s.

[@terrencezellers9105]

Been a VERY long time .... but I vaguely recall a line or two in Time of the Rani that hinted to past intimacy between the Rani and the Doctor, possibly a marriage long before the episode's events. It hinted to what was then a near blank slate of the Doctor's past more mundane life.

[@robo3007]

I think with the new introduction of Mrs Flood, the Rani is the strong favourite for being her real identity. There's a small chance she could be someone else like River Song or Susan, but I've recently made a list of 20 candidates of who Mrs Flood could be in order of decreasing likelihood and the Rani was firmly placed at number 1.

[@ObservantPiratePlus]

So just create a new "Daughter of the Rani" character, out for revenge for how her mother was treated by the Doctor. Sorted!

[@UnderhillKoufax]

I always thought the Rani was indirectly referenced in “Midnight” as Sky Silvestry’s malicious and powerful past relationship. It would explain the “Midnight Monster” as a villain sent by the Rani to kill Sky.

[@geesefeeders1]

Come on Harbo of course Donna will return. She/they are literally in the leaks & new trailer 😒

[@randomtheorist251]

Have you actually watched the video?

[@BBK113]

@@randomtheorist251 it's clearly a joke, plus they a patron so they have

[@evanmarshall9571]

@@randomtheorist251 Like rory was theorized to be the master, donna was theorized to be the rani, so it's a joke on that

[@randomtheorist251]

@@evanmarshall9571 Ah OK didn't know that.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

She.

[@SammEater]

I actually thought Missy was Rani instead of being a female Master.

[@Azphreal]

The fact that Timelords can travel in time why would you not have timelords appearing after the planet vanished? If the BBC did find the owner of the Rani character it would be easy to get to use her (or him the way things are now) the BBC get the rights just to the character appearing in the show (and spinoffs) which would bring the character back into the public view then the rights holders can make deals with the toy companies or other merchandise. They are making nothing from the character at the moment and will not do unless it is used. Imagine a story where the Masters plans are foiled but it was not the Doctor but the Rani as his plans caused problems with what she was doing.

[@basilbrush9075]

I thought the master was the meddling monk but then I realised I was just watching Derek Jacobi in Cadfael

[@Jedi_Spartan]

Nah... we're definitely getting 'The Five Ranis' as the next Doctor Who Christmas Special: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3u7YaWMgtWhqc0

[@GambitArkana]

I personally thought Missy was Rani. I was like omg they brought her back.

[@ThetaSigma-vu1sk]

i would really like a whole new time lord villain to be honest...

[@jeremymcclary3901]

I believe she already did, but she was labeled the "Fugitive Doctor".

[@jojoke2909]

Only reason Im fine with the Rani coming back is just because im sick of it being just the master every time, it would be a nice break and new who fans get a bit more classic re introduced, rani has a better reason for doing what they do, the master just does shit to be goofy and evil

[@christophergraewin3992]

I would think that the destruction of Gallifrey would be irrelevant, since the Time Lords had banished the Rani.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

An easy solution would be to make the Ranni not pure evil, like the Master is. Make them more an agent of chaos, closer to Harley Quinn these days. Sometimes she goes back to helping Joker or other villainy, and sometimes she's literally saving Batman or others even from Joker. If you never knew what they'd do, it could really work. Especially if we get something like The Doctor going around trying to fight someone who is CLEARLY The Master, but then The Master comes in and triggers a Regeneration (half-killing the Ranni), revealing that there definitely IS another Timelord, that might be a threat, but it's NOT The Master. Or vice-versa, basically. Perhaps the Ranni kamikazes The Master, making them both Regenerate. That could be a very shocking reveal. I would probably do some sort of psychological deep-dive mixed with conspiracy theory type stuff, basically saying, "Oh, the Ranni has multiple personalities, Dissociative Identity Disorder." (Or whatever) and not only does it persist through Regenerations, but a switch in Alters is triggered by a Regeneration. Then just have at least 3 personalities. One that's at least mostly good, one mostly bad, and one a bit more in the middle. That way, when the "good Ranni" kamikazes The Master, we don't know if they'll go full bad or more neutral. And if the bad or neutral one Regens, we don't know if they'll go full good or not. It's probably even better with 4 personalities, but maybe The Doctor/The Master, whoever gives the exposition, only knows of 3? And I think one should be quite selfish, but not evil. Like, they don't get joy from hurting others or go out of their way to do so, but they also won't make any significant effort to help others, unless they think it'll directly benefit them. Perhaps more of a bounty hunter/mercenary type. Could even be revealed that Merc Ranni kamikazed The Master because they only had 1 Regen left and were promised a new set by the Timelords. (Give them some device so they get a new set regardless of if the other Timelords survived or not. Just have a little flashback to when the others WERE still alive, giving this mission and device. I'm not a writer so I'm not even going to attempt to explain why this mission was given to the Ranni before the Timelords got wiped out... Perhaps a prophecy like the one that foresaw The Doctor's death? Idk. Let actual writers figure it out lol.)

[@danielwilliamson6180]

The Rani should come back and I think Liz May Brice would be the perfect actress to play her.

[@itsalexney]

Ms Flood suggests otherwise.

[@HeyJay2000]

So basically they could come back. 😅😅 There are complications, but The Rani can still come back. It is more that she shouldn't come back rather than she couldn't. I do think the Showrunners should bring back more time Lords, cause although they are quite boring I think that is literally the reason to being then back, to flesh them out and actually make them fun and interesting. Plus like you said The Master is over used now.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

They could, on paper. But with the practical Impossibility of getting the rights to the Rani with the passing of her creators, that turns the "Shouldn't" into a "couldn't."

[@HeyJay2000]

@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim but it isn't impossible. He even says that in the video. It would just be really really hard. But not impossible. What he basically says is that even if The BBC can get the rights to her, they shouldn't use her cause it wouldn't be that interesting. So it is more of a Shouldn't rather than Couldn't. Cause they Can do it if they wanted to. They probably just don't want to, cause they have no interest in bringing the character back. Cause if they wanted to they definitely would have by now. Same goes for Omega and The Meddling Monk. People just want to use The Master for some reason.

[@senonimoustv2497]

There are so many Time Lord and Old omes villains currently not used. Omega Black Guardian The Vampires Just name a few.

[@prometheuskayne9320]

What about the Valeyard? Honestly, their are plenty of rogue Time Lords, who most likely would never have returned to Gallifrey.. It seems to me they might all be a bit upset with the Doctor always interfering with things... it's not like they wouldn't notice. They don't necessarily have to be opponents to the Doctor, either. Perhaps they need help, stranded without a Tardis, etc.

[@IDidntSetAHandle]

The fact is that character rights are worthless unless you actually allow the character to be used. So as much as the Beeb would need to seek an agreement with these various estates, they're always going to release their use eventually, because otherwise they're tightly gripping something that gets less relevant every passing year they don't allow their use.

[@borusa32]

I don't agree with you. The Rani was an amoral scientist ,not an evil megalomaniac.She was quite distinct from The Master.

[@JagoHazzard]

I think the Rani would be a great character to bring into the Time War. Where better to place a scientist with no ethics than a situation where the normal rules don't apply?

[@MoYvStarkey]

I illustrated those three Auton spin off CDs. Imagine my surprise seeing them here. I'm a fan of the Rani. She's a character who needs someone who would do her justice. Thanks for this vid.

[@DNulrammah]

You are assuming, of course that the Rani would of been on Gallifrey WHEN everyone was killed... Unless she was incarcerated by the Time Lords, she would be somewhere far away. And there IS the possibility that the Master would of spared her because of her expertise.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

@11:22 Actually some more, if you count Perusa, the War Chief... and, to some extent, the Celestial Toymaker (he's a conceptual being, but it has been stated in the Wilderness Era novels that he has been hosting the body of a Time Lord and childhood friend of both the Doctor, the Rani and The Master for untold aeons, least until the Fifth Doctor deletes the Celestial Toymaker off-series) .

[@parrot998]

Don't forget Morbius, plus all the great Timelord villains from Big Finish.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

@@parrot998 Indeed!

[@robertmolnar8543]

To be honest i came up with an idea for what could be a great story and would ultimately be rather interesting in my opinion it would be the Rani working with what remains of the Great Intelligence to gain ultimate knowledge and would involve not only her capturing both the Doctor and the Master but pulling seven deceased timelords from the timeline as well, similar to what the 12th Doctor did with Clara, which would lead to a reunion and first on screen appearance of the Deca, which would both be a great easter egg for long time Doctor Who fans but could also introduce a great piece of the lore and the Doctor's past to more recent viewers as well, but also said plan would end up wiping most if not all sentient life in the universe if successful which since the Rani is an uncaring sociopathic scientist I can see her doing such a thing so long as she completed her experiment and ultimately one of my hopes for this potential story would be the return to multi part stories like we had in Classic Doctor Who rather than the episodic formula we have now in Modern Docter Who.

[@benmiller3252]

Maybe with Russell T Davies back in The Showrunner's chair 💺 for 60th Anniversary and series beyond. Maybe there's a potential chance that he could bring back The Rani. But never say never

[@martinbennett8752]

I think the Rani undermined the whole "there have never been any strong female characters on the show" argument. Rani can mean 'Queen', but to add to the mess that the show has got itself into, if the Master can come back as female Missy, maybe the Rani can regenerate into a male Quara? I would expect all the renegades would have been called up for the war against the Daleks and would have enjoyed the experience of being asked to help save their people. The Master fled to the end of time to escape it after a while, the Rani may have done something similar. The big hole in the narrative was that the whole Gallifrey being destroyed - and then moved into a pocket dimension thing, was the assertions that as the Daleks survived the Time War, if the TimeLords ever returned the TimeWar would start all over again - and then the writers brought Gallifrey back. If they wanted the Doctor to regenerate more than 12 times they might have pondered on the Sisterhood of the Flame on Karn, probably descendants of the Pythia and her followers who might have been able to give the Doctor a further set of lives. Then THAT was undermined by the nonsense of the Timeless Child which seemed the establish that the doctor could regenerate ad infinitum, which also holed below the waterline all those lines about the Doctor the Master and the Rani being at school together. Fortunately, I had stopped watching or being interested in the programme long before that. Capaldi put the final nail in the coffin for me.

[@PsyrenXY]

During Flux (wait, hear me out) I thought for sure the Rani would be the lady running The Division with the Fugutive Doctor (Jo Martin) until that turned out to be Tecteun

[@DjOdyssey1971]

Who is to say the Rani was even on Gallifrey? That is the big flaw in what you keep saying. With all she has done in the past, i seriously doubt she would of been there. She would of been off, attempting to hide out, and continue all the experiments she wanted to do. You may think she is low down of Timelords to bring back other dont see it your way.

[@dj1NM3]

At 06:52 that is precisely what I was thinking about when the Doctor was moaning about "being the only Timelord in the village". The other Timelords mentioned never died on screen, so there was never any real reason, apart from not bothering (or, pig-headedly refusing) to secure the rights and write an episode featuring them. Even Jenny (the Doctor's clone daughter) seems to have evaporated, despite being shown to regenerate and stealing a spaceship to fly off (apparently into oblivion).

[@ghostmachine71]

I'm thinking its more likely the Rani will show up before Susan does. I know she's been in some Big Finish audios and some books, but its waaaay past time for her to re-appear on the show.

[@fmlazar]

a Rani story SHOULD be structured specifically for her. She's a mad obsessed scientist, not the power and conquest obsessed Master. She would be a better choice than creating another new female timelord..... save perhaps maybe an evil version of Romana.

[@omegatired]

Sudden realization, actually, if one wants more of the Rani, try the Stargate SG1 eps with Neerti ... what a homage to Dr. Who ...

[@kurtsnyder4752]

Would be fascinating for a return, maybe like the DC Comic's Harleen Quinnzell or William "Spike" Pratt on Buffy The Vampire Slayer to take on a journey to become a hero; the first who has been that comic's continuity's big villain's right hand girl, breaking away and now even has the trust of the Batman, no easy feat there, the second a mortal enemy of the heroines of the story, corrupted but battles to regain his soul and becomes lover/fellow warrior of the good with Slayer Prime Buffy. Though this HAS been kind of done with Michelle Gomez's run as Missy. The trope is the "heel face turn".

[@kurtsnyder4752]

Kurt Snyder Almost let slip the Marvel Elekktra character, assassin turned Avenger, like Natasha Romanov the Black Widow; and Lana Parrilla's Once Upon A Time tv show's "Evil" Queen and her journey. Even Angelina Jolie's Malificent.

[@Redboots]

tbh the only reason to bring back the rani is to stop people nagging. though the rani specialised in evil chemistry, and with a bit of a refresh with character depth, you could make her distinct from the master and give the master a break from being the big time lord baddie, so it's definitely possible to achieve, but of course, it's not necessarily practical. anyway I wiped tecteun from my memory because survivors of the flux was unnecessary apart from the yaz/dan/jericho trio lmao

[@elberno4243]

I believe The Rani, has been renamed Tecteun

[@pete2097]

You realise what you've done.... The Rani will be in one of the 3 specials now....

[@tomw4014]

Another awesome video, great arguments for both sides!

[@mathieuleader8601]

I would love to see the 11 make their big screen debut

[@quickflash2studios232]

I’d love some Time Lord refugees, either from the Time War or The Master’s recent Death Particle thing. I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to find Romana trying to rehouse some Refugees with a stolen TARDIS.

[@AnimeOtakuDrew]

What about the chances of a new story featuring the Valeyard? Since the Valeyard is allegedly a future incarnation of the Doctor, the destruction of Gallifrey would have no bearing on his presence (not that it should anyways since, through time travel, there could be any number of past Time Lords that the Doctor could encounter on their own travels, not to mention the possibility of Time Lords who were not present on Gallifrey at the time of its destruction . . . which I would say is VERY likely with a renegade like the Rani).

[@littlemiss_76]

The only Time Lady I would love to come back is Romana

[@chrisparkes2179]

Terry Nation grew rich on the Daleks, while Ray Cusick received a one off £50 for his iconic design. Had Mervyn Winfield had his way the Daleks would have been played by men with cardboard tubes over their limbs and been seen as a silly monster from a long forgotten sci fi show. BBC didn't hold the rights to the police box design because police boxes were common street furniture. It was like trying to copyright lampposts. It was only when a court ruled that the original function had been largely forgotten that copyright was given.

[@greghawkins59]

I wouldn't mind a cheeky bit of meddling monk

[@daveofyorkshire301]

The Rani was more amoral than evil. A scientist with little feeling for the lesser bringing in her study... She wasn't there to cause trouble, trouble was an effect of what she was doing, and she was doing that with a scientific eye. As for extended media if it's not the TV show it's not canon.

[@willgillies5670]

I always thought the closest we came to the Rani was Matron Kofelia.

[@Domihork]

The Rani being a scientist with no ethics would work perfectly for season 8 Missy. But then the rest of Missy's story happened and I'm actually glad it was the Master. Seasons 9 and 10 of Missy were really great imho.

[@damenwhelan3236]

No. Rani is a mad scientist. She isnt a "woman master allegory" that may be where she stems, but she isnt juat a "master with t¡ts"

[@carealoo744]

I want an episode where someone is revealed to be The Rani, but then it's later revealed that it's not the Real Rani and was some fob-watch "Next Doctor" style spell thing to make her think she was the Rani when she wasn't, and at the end The Doctor says: "Oh I don't think I'll ever be seeing the Real Rani again." That would be the greatest Doctor Who episode of all time.

[@SuperCrazyfin]

If classic who featured 4 rouge timelords in 26 years thats still twice as many as NuWho has comparitively. Personally id like to see the return of Omega though.

[@cmwinchell]

MInor issue with even considering to bring Omega back: He was transformed to just his personality controlling an empty suit in a realm of pure antimatter caused by his specific Black Hole (being the first one that the Time Lords actually created in their pursuit of time travel. So he was already dead when we had the Doctors (1-3 since he was introduced in Pertwee's run) come up with a cunning plan to escape. The plan ultimately ended up killing what remained of Omega with no body or artifact to recover, unlike The Master and Rassilon. Honestly The Rani just shouldn't be brought back, ever. She didn't cause enough of a reaction or fan response to warrant her being in more episodes than the two in Classic.

[@richardrichardson2568]

personally i do belive they did bring the rani back but didnt call her the ranin and of course im on about the timelord who hired the jadoon to capyure the fugitive doctor in the epic episode fugitive of the jadoon

[@Mew_Mokuba_Akari]

This is on Big Finish Guy. When the wife passed away Big Finish Guy should have after a year or so. Approached the Rani owner and knowing he had no children could have asked him to allow him to be the official copywriter holder upon his death. So as to not seem like he was demanding it now.

[@danielfreeman8136]

The K'anpo / Cho-je timelord character was the most intriguing for me. I'd love to see a new incarnation of this character.

[@cjmckay309]

"Because, you know, you've gotta get that tasty social media engagement" he said, in a video with a clickbait tile.

[@sanddagger36]

6:53 best quote ever

[@filmunion8194]

Gillian Anderson sent from the X-Files, was supposed to play the Rani

[@ivane5110]

Creator rights are awesome for the creators, and admirable. But, I can definitely see the pain in the neck it would be for the production/publishing company. It does make for an interesting extended universe. Shame the US Dalek show didn't take off; it'd be interesting to see how far the characters and universes would have diverged over the years (though we can p be pretty sure the US one wouldn't have lasted anywhere near as long as Dr. Who has).

[@The-Cosmic-Hobo]

I'd love for the Rani to return, because she did offer an alternative to the Master's plans. There's plenty of great stories that could be developed around her - but we really just need one good one. Chibnall should have brought the Meddling Monk back for the Rosa Parks story. There's no reason not to bring the Rani back either. Yeah - last of the Time Lords... I've never liked that. Even better though, potentially - would be a completely new Time Lord. And they could appear to be best friends with the Doctor, even travel together for a story or two, before the finale when we find out they were playing the Doctor all along... It was always exciting in the original run when Time Lords popped up. I wish they'd bring that joy back..

[@josephcooter5763]

Actually I think that the Master has gotten better. Especially in this last episode. I sure loved the way he danced to Boney M's Ra Ra Rasputen. That was COOL.

[@EyeOfOrion]

In the 60th, we'll see someone named Shirley Anne Bingham. shiRley ANne bIngham. Hmmm... R A N I

[@jwoodswce]

Given how COVID has raised significant popular concerns about ethics in science & medicine, now would be timely for her return to dramatize such issues.

[@OrishiBlackMoses]

I maybe missing something seeing as it's been quite some time since I've seen the Rani, I think it was during the 7th Dr's series when she wanted his brain I think. I forget what happened to her by the end of that series. But the point is why is iit assumed that she was on Gallifrey when the Master Destroyed the Time Lords. I can see this if in the Big Finish books she had returned to Gallifrey, remember she had been Banished in the tv series for her Unethical Experiments.

[@Aquarium-Downunder]

working on the time line, a Rani Cyberman. The Rani a mad Cyberman scientist, driven totaly around the bend after getting turned into a cyberman, who is willing to kill any one who gets in the way of her bring back the time lords