Why this Epic Space Battle Shouldn't be Forgotten by SW Fans - The First Battle of Geonosis

[@inductivegrunt94]

I never knew there was a space battle, I thought the whole CIS fleet was grounded and the Republic Acclamators all just landed. So, besides Mace Windu's mission to destroy the Anti Orbital cannons, this is all new information for me and I couldn't be happier. Space battles are some of the best Star Wars lore and I'm always glad to learn more about space battles I've never heard of.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Pays to know the side material, like the Jedi Starfighter video game.

[@90skidcultist]

@@michaelandreipalon359👴🏼

[@sergeyoneill1344]

But, we see ships make it to atmosphere as only a portion of them are destroyed on screen and in novels/lore books

[@KyberGaming47]

​@@michaelandreipalon359bro i remember that game🤩👌

[@TheLeatheryman]

Yeah bro. Jedi Starfighter. I was there and can confirm

[@FastTquick]

Glad that you guys gave a shout-out to Star Wars: Jedi Starfighter. That was an underrated Star Wars game. This also reminds me of the forgotten parts of the Battle of Naboo that were represented in both Star Wars: Battle for Naboo and Star Wars: Starfighter respectively.

[@joshuakolton9955]

And the clone wars 2002 game as well.

[@juanordo66]

Geetsly's the only Star Wars channel to consistently make great video's about interesting subjects. Best YT channel!!

[@zexalbrony4799]

Agreed.

[@Shadow96545]

True

[@primefamous]

Agreed. I'm looking forward to them doing videos on the New Jedi Order era

[@XXMatt0040XX]

Some literally just remake the same video every year with a new skin. We all know who I'm talking about (I actually can't remember the name I removed the channel from my feed years ago lol)

[@aidanhogan-thomas1797]

​@@XXMatt0040XXsw theory probably. Or stupendous wave

[@chengzhou8711]

“ Given all the stories I’ve heard about Geonosis I was always considered lucky that my unit was not directly involved in heavy fighting that day. Some of the real fighting happened later that night we withdrew a large portion of our forces from the planet. A handful of Separatist frigates sent super battle droids to drain our manpower and supplies and see how they work in close quarters, which was quite effectively. The larger battle was something that I couldn’t even imagine, made real.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Ah, long time no see, trooper.

[@TheCronq]

Ship next to the main characters: ight imma head out

[@Sov-Ryn15]

6:10 oh yes, Adi Gallia became one of my fav Jedi because of Star Wars: Jedi Starfighter

[@marshalllatta2073]

Love the battle of geonosis and the second battle of geonosis l wish we seen this epic space battle in star wars

[@lerneanlion]

If Count Dooku intentionally sabotaged the Battle of Geonosis, why would he call for Saboath Squadron to come and bomb the Jedi and the Republic forces? Sure, he called them in to distract them. But the problem is that he has no idea how will this turned out. If it ended up resulting in the Separatists' victory, Darth Sidious will lose his face as Chancellor Palpatine of the Republic. And he is NOT going to be happy about this and most likely strangle Dooku through their holo-communication just to keep him in line.

[@thalmoragent9344]

One thing thats always bothered me about the Battle of Geonosis is that, aside from rescuing the Jedi currently in the Arena, the Republic Fleet should've had a few ships dedicated to a *Base Delta Zero* on the planet surface. Wouldn't have needlessly sacrificed so many lives, Jedi and Clone alike, had they just bombarded the hell out of the planet surface. Sure, leave a few miles around the dropzone in order open, to ensure nothing gets too close to the Arena. As soon as the Jedi were recovered, then that's only one more spot they can annihilate in the process. Would've saved a lot of trouble.

[@islandmaster5064]

I agree. However I'm assuming that because so few individuals had military experience in a war campaign, ideas passed on from centuries of peace, negative views of orbital bombardment (seen as a barbarian tactic and taboo in circles) and an assumption that they could capture the separatist leaders and Dooku lead to this being a blood bath

[@josesanchezrodriguez1783]

Base Delta Zero refers especifically to exterminating all life on a planet, what you are proposing is just a plain, old orbital bombardment.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@islandmaster5064 Yeah, fair enough. Just sucks to think that a single action could've potentially shortened the war, or at least kept Geonosis out of the way so they wouldn't have yet another battle with mass casualty rates on the planet later on.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@josesanchezrodriguez1783 Ah, I see. Well, regardless, there are Geonosians and Seperatist War leaders on the planet so, kill them off alongside most all the Factories and Droid units all in one go, and you're solid. At least the Empire wiped them out later on so, I guess the Republic did eventually learn from its mistakes and actually go through with properly dealing with such a deadly hivemind

[@islandmaster5064]

@thalmoragent9344 it is this mass death that helped fuel the anti-jedi movement

[@MavsAreBetter]

Geetsly is one of the best Clone Wars/Star Wars channels on KZbin!!

[@michellerahe4853]

"Good thing those bugs can't aim"

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Never. Ever. Tempt fate. With jinxes.

[@michellerahe4853]

@@michaelandreipalon359 wdym?

[@Doofing_Cookies]

GAAAAAGHAAAGH

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@michellerahe4853 For starters, saying "I have a bad feeling about this" almost always leads to struggles and hardships to anyone who accursedly speaks them in any of the SW universes.

[@BleachFan9891]

Random Geonosian: “that’s what he thinks”

[@TheEDFLegacy]

I never knew about this battle, but it makes total sense. A planet as important as this would totally have a defense fleet, and catching them off guard also makes sense. As a quick aside, why did you add video stills of Imperial and Rebel battles? 😅 If it's due to the lack of available imagery, a potential option is to slow down your transitions so you need less footage. Drachinifel uses a similar still format, and he changes once a paragraph, instead of once every 5 to 10 seconds, unless he is listing off a bunch of ships in rapid succession. EDIT: The other option is to add playthrough footage (or stills of it) of Jedi Starfighter. 😁

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Ah, if only Jedi Starfighter had some high quality playthroughs. Way too many easy mode playthroughs all around YT, I admit, and would rather prefer the patologTV/Star Marshal kind of quality.

[@josipbroztito6763]

Fuck yeah drach! *drydock theme intensifies*

[@TheEDFLegacy]

@@josipbroztito6763 _Sad 5 minute guide noises_

[@TheEDFLegacy]

@@michaelandreipalon359 If I pick up the game, I'll have to try to playthrough it. 😁

[@josipbroztito6763]

@@TheEDFLegacy a little longer than 5 minutes these days 😂

[@davidalan528]

Man, nailing those grounded capital ships is like the ONE TIME orbital bombardment makes sense and isn’t overkill and they target them ship-to-ship? Rookies.

[@theaveragegamer7221]

The transports are taking damage! It will be a terrible tragedy if any of the transports are lost!

[@Zoomer3989]

Jedi starfighter was my first star wars game, thank you for bringing it to the forefront

[@yaang9258]

Adi Gallia and her Padawan pretty much held off a biological weapon bombardment with the assistance of a pirate group. Only two Padawans survived Geonosis, but I thought Adi Gallia's Padawan survived as well....am I wrong? Gotta play Jedi Starfighter again to find out

[@DIEGhostfish]

Early EU depictions of the GAR's spacefleet before Genndywars gave them the V-19 Torrent and RotS gave them the ARC and V-Wing and further stuff showed off classic Y-Wings and the clone Headhunter were silly. The Republic Comics said they had *NO* clone starfighters and were entirely reliant on Jedi, Jedi Starfighter had them relying mostly on Nym's people and a couple jedi, the Boba Fett kid books had a "Cord-class" fighter with a single laser that never got any art, the Pandemic Clone Wars games had swarms of Jedi Starfighters presumably with clone pilots.

[@justjoking5841]

If we interpret this logically... It is possible that the Republic had been on a secret buying binge of military hardware. If we consider the amount of time skipping between scenes. We can only assume that some duration has passed between the scenes on Kamino and the Clones showing up on Geonosis. Kuat Drive Yards produces a lot of vehicles. Jedi aren't the only ones to use the Delta 7 either. In the SW galaxy, anyone with the right amount of credits can purchase a starfigher of almost any class, presumably.

[@TheBountyHunterV1]

I loved Jedi Starfighter as a kid, shout out to my dude Nym for showing up right on time to get revenge on saboath squadron for destroying his home

[@indianajones4321]

Dooku and the CIS thought they could win, but they failed to account for the fact that the clones are just built different

[@davidordaz5251]

Neither side were meant to win if the war was rigged from the start

[@Whoopu2]

Dooku was well aware of the clones and their capabilities. He was personally responsible for commissioning the creation of the Clone Army, the selection of Jango Fett for its genetic template, and financed the initial payments with his own wealth. He is feigning ignorance and surprise to Poggle the Lesser after the clones arrive on Geonosis.

[@IBW_3000]

I guess Tarkin didn’t want a third one…

[@-CrimsoN-]

I played Jedi Starfighter! Been thinking about playing it again, except this time emulating it on PC.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

I still prefer it being just named the Battle of Geonosis, for *there never should be a second battle in Legends.* Anywho, I only played Starfighter and Jedi Starfighter for the plot back in the day, and even then, I can't seem to enjoy replaying it compared to TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance (with some X-Wing on occasion) and even the contemporary Rogue Squadron trilogy and non-SW Ace Combat titles. Still, at least they aren't as uber-hard and somewhat cringey as the Rebel Assault duology... believe me, if those games get delisted, I wouldn't even mourn.

[@zexalbrony4799]

Aww, but the second battle is so cool. Landing at Point Range is one of my favorite episodes.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@zexalbrony4799 Good, not gonna lie, but quite redundant when Geonosis should have been already fully occupied and cleaned up of resistance by the Republic forces.

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@michaelandreipalon359 Now to be fair, there were many planets that were technically concurred, but still managed to keep resisting and restarting new battles like Felucia during the Clone Wars and Kashyyyk during the Imperial era. So it's not that unbelievable that Geonosis could rise again.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@zexalbrony4799 Still, it shouldn't be that well hidden and long lasting of a resistance. Just look at bloody Coruscant, during its liberations in both Legends (good old invasion procedures) and Disney Canon (somewhat boring peace treaty and surrender, with some political infighting BS beforehand).

[@mechanwhal6590]

Someone just straight up put Mars in the thumbnail. Valles Marineris is RIGHT there.

[@snorlaxmunch8675]

SO many parts of that battle one does not see occur from the Clone Wars movie

[@JBBrickman]

I could’ve sworn when Obi Wan arrived to Geonosis there were no CIS ships in orbit, I guess that changed in a few hours.

[@zexalbrony4799]

So all the Jedi, all 212 of them, arrived via Jedi Starfighters, and considering 182 of those Jedi were killed, my question now is what happened to those now ownerless 182 Fighters? Were they left behind or did the Jedi order the Astromechs of each one to take control of the ships and join the space battle, since they wouldn't have to wait for their pilots to come back?

[@michaelandreipalon359]

One did become a Rogue Squadron asset years later, so that's an small yet still nice enough answer.

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@michaelandreipalon359 That's cool, which Astromech was that and did it belong to an actual named Jedi like Coleman Trebor?

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@zexalbrony4799 Not sure about the astromech, and I'm not sure if he really was the pilot.

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@zexalbrony4799 Actually it's Obi-wan Kenobi's Aethersprite that was still left there until Wedge Antilles found it.

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@merafirewing6591 So, Obi-Wan, who was still alive after the battle just abandoned his Starfighter, and apparently so did his Astromech R4 since they later appear during the Clone Wars as Oobi-Wan's Astromech until their death at the Battle of Coruscant.

[@metal_fusion]

Sw AoC must be among the movies with the shortest battles in movie history. Literally this could had been a set of episodes itself. However the main movie couldn’t fit a lot of lore wise information

[@pilotwhaleproductions5880]

Because its an inversion of Empire Strikes Back

[@majesticmsfc]

I played Jedi Starfighter back in the day, it was a fun game with a great story ending in Episode 2.

[@compareandcontrast9833]

Never thought I would here a reference to star fighter 2. 😮

[@DrMutran]

I hope Sabaoth Squadron returns to cannon.

[@wedgeantillies66]

Was aware of said space battle and intervention of toth's squadron, although defeated and destroyed by the Jedi forces. Was crucial to allowing the separatists to be able to fight the clones wars in the immediate short term, before they really got their war effort going. As had toth not intervened and distracted the jedi, enough to allow the escape of the separatist fleet and most importantly its transports carrying the droid army, the separatists would have had no army to oppose the GAR during the first six months of the war.

[@nicholasgregory8658]

Jedi Starfighter is my favorite Star Wars game

[@ronjon7942]

Why were the eight Acclimators left in orbit “to support the naval battle?” Are Acclimators equipped for boarding CIS ships, assuming they’re loaded with Clone Troopers? Or are LAATs vacuum sealed and launched with troopers for boarding that way instead? Or could they have been configured as starfighter carriers, and assisted the Venators?

[@KyberGaming47]

I must mention your narration is on point, im able to imagine very vivid scenes while even just listening but the pictures help ALOT, well done💯🙏

[@ronjon7942]

U know, I’ve noticed that as well. I’m going to try treating his work as a podcast and see how that goes. The pictures definitely do help, but you’re right - his narration is so good I had no trouble visualizing. His voice is easy to listen to as well. I’d also like to listen to him narrate an audiobook.

[@KyberGaming47]

@@ronjon7942 absolutely could not agree more! Thats a cool idea, i usually watch videos like this while gaming and even occasionally while working meaning most times i only have a split second to glance over at the video, either that or if im walking to the local store ill have the headphones in and just listen as i cant be staring down at my phone or ill inevitably run into a pole or a wheely bin so treating it like a podcast is quite relatable💯😂

[@oofitsxernas9715]

I always wondered why the sabaoth fleet was a part of the cis in empire at war. Never knew they were apart of the battle of geonosis. Cool to think about

[@benfrank9622]

SW Fans also shouldn't forget this whole battle as this is the battle where the Jedi started to crumble its reputation. Imagine hearing they had a huge casualty count for an arrest of one sith lord. People would be skeptical to hear that they'll also lead the battle.

[@brokenbridge6316]

I have to hand it to Dooku. He sure knew how to manipulate things. Sidious had a great pawn in this man.

[@hambourje]

jedi starfighter and star wars the clone wars on PS2 were goated games

[@rob2540]

Have you talked about the probe droid yet?

[@heliofaros1344]

Thumbnail: Mars... In a galaxy far far away

[@joeydell]

It would be great if the visuals matched the ship u are talking about!!!

[@jamiewalsh3349]

That was a really epic final stage in Jedi Starfighter. But I could never destroy all of the missiles to complete the bonus objective.

[@axelosdcastlechristo1212]

I think i remember that game

[@noblej7897]

Wait im here on thee day of posting? The shock!.

[@macwade2755]

This is Canon for me!

[@rapkaizell]

Ah Star wars Jedi star fighter

[@angelopadmesclonedwife205]

I created my own Jedi Marina and her master during the space battle. She lived but not her master.

[@Spyro757]

Oh part of this was in a Star Wars game in 2002

[@ChiChiLand299]

You should make a video on how strong was the average Jedi in comparison to say how many normal people it would take to defeat like just how powerful and useful were ten thousand Jedi?

[@chancegarrison7636]

If only there were one million venator class star destroyers already at the beginning of the clone war.

[@rochikkelley1751]

Ikr

[@jordanfalkowski6924]

Wasnt it like spaceballs when he said comb the desert and he thought yogurt was translating inscription

[@ronjon7942]

Laf, u mean when Yogurt was just clearing his throat? Yogurt the Wise? Yogurt the Magnificent? No, no, stop. No, just Plain Yogurt. Might be time to dust off the VHS tapes.

[@ronjon7942]

Aka, the Windu Jedi Purge.

[@sergeyoneill1344]

Orbital Bombardment

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Pretty hard to forget a great battle that was put in a terrible acted movie with perhaps some of the worst dialogue when it comes into creating a romance between Padme and Anakin, but the Battle itself was pretty intense and awesome considering how massive it was compared to other ground battles before then in the movies, especially we two nearly peer armies compared to the Battle of Naboo.

[@robertagu5533]

Too true, i always saw it as a significant missed opportunity on the part of the Republic, an Jedi... If there'd been matching powerful fleet forces to match the clearly VERY unique an Elite units of a rather huge GAR the current Sep forces there wouldn't have been able to keep up an the GAR coulda crushed a significant part of, if not entirely, the whole of the CIS since the ground army Literally ambushed them an even the in movie dialogue had them saying how shocking and BAD it was looking for the CIS.. if the Navy had been super powered an equipped an hit them with as much power as possible in just as devestating a coordinated ambush focuing AT LEAST on as many transports an firepower muscle like CIS carriers an heavt battleship an dreadnoughts for example.. I always kinda felt they could've made things significantly easier an majorly shortened the war or perhaps even prevented it altogether.. but the Republic sorely dropped the ball on this major part of the battle.

[@TheBasedDonHoly]

I didnt know that many jedi died

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate should be remembered even MORE than this battle.

[@bman3794]

Well, of the 200 Jedi that fought in this battle, only about 20 survived. I would think that would have rattled the Jedi order.

[@ronjon7942]

Nah, Mace & Co. took some pointers from The Sith and used this as an opportunity to weed out the weak. Separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.

[@bman3794]

@@ronjon7942 can’t see the order doing that.

[@DarthVages]

👍

[@goosnavslakovic4908]

The CIS lost millions of droids and many ships, but the republic honestly failed here. Much of the droid army was all in one place and if the republic used its air and space superiority better, it couldve ended the war before it started.

[@ronjon7942]

Good, I wasn’t the only one wondering that. I just assumed I really missed something when I thought this was literally the first battle between the Republic and the CIS. I didn’t understand why the Jedi didn’t order the utter annihilation of everything related to the Droid Army & Navy, as it seemed to me they withdrew prematurely. Maybe they were shook up more than a lot with the loss of nearly 200 Jedi, not to mention stupidly killing around 5,000 Clone Commandos (out of 10,000), and who knows how many Regs. Also, I don’t think this was the only planet that produced droids.

[@Bornst3ll3r]

Are you in a cave ?