Why only 14% of the JEDI SURVIVED the BATTLE OF GEONOSIS

The Skirmish at Petranaki Arena was a complete disaster the majority of the Jedi Strike team was wiped out. We break down exactly why this happened.
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[@darkblood626]

5:07 Jedi - Ok everyone strike a pose, just like we practiced Jedi- It's not working. They're not surrendering!

[@SnifyWisper]

Maybe if they had weird floating Japanese text they would have been more menacing.

[@goldfishprime]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Jedi were used to people respecting/fearing them. An enemy that was programmed to actually try and kill them? "Wait, what? They are fighting back? We weren't trained for this!"

[@pathogenofdecay]

Sounds like the Clone Wars Battle Droids talking.

[@KMCA779]

This was exactly what happened. The sight of that many jedi in one place was unheard of and they thought that everyone would be shocked and terrified by 300 jedi lighting lightsabers at once and would have frozen in fear.... problem is that fresh droids are kind of bad at the whole fear thing.

[@DraconimLt]

@@goldfishprime this reminds me of Demolition Man - 'We're police officers we're not trained to handle this kind of violence!'

[@diamondowl9321]

“The Jedi strike team assembled by mace windu.....” haha now all I can think of is the avengers swinging around lightsabers😂

[@GenerationTech]

Avengers also use similar stupid tactics

[@pyeitme508]

@@GenerationTech agree

[@dhwwiiexpert]

@Conrad Ferrus At least its justifiable. The cloaking field and defense system effectively rendered Wakanda immune to attack. There was no need to evolve nor opportunity for evolution in military science. This left most weapons systems and the entirety of their tactical doctrine insufficient by modern paradigms, almost negating what should have been a clear advantage provided by Vibranium-based technology.

[@dhwwiiexpert]

@Conrad Ferrus Eliminating one's advantages over an opponent because of extreme force disparity is nonsensical, and charging straight in renders ranged weapons near useless. This near-incompetent usage of force is the result of outdated military science, a direct consequence of Wakanda's noble and short-sighted isolationism.

[@WakingDuck]

Conrad Ferrus there was a Scottish mad lad back in one of the wars that only used a sword, he killed like a million nazis lol

[@jamiewalsh3349]

"Brave but foolish." - Count Dooku, 22 BBY

[@davidrowe8966]

8:11 I'm not a person to laugh at many things but this made my morning :D

[@alexeiharp7676]

Frankly Dooku had to try very hard not to kill Anakin, the guy was practically asking for it.

[@ATP2555ify]

The droids outnumbered the Jedi and too many shots were coming at them to be blocked, shows you just how deadly droids are.

[@wingzero7X]

Nothing dulls a warriors blade like peace

[@BigWillyyyyyy]

They failed because they gave up the high ground

[@smallpseudonym2844]

@4:20 "Grossly overstimated the enemy's strength"... Uh. No. They _under_ estimated the opponents strength.

[@jotheunissen9274]

Imagine Anakin died during the battle of Geonosis Dooku: "Master, we annihalated the jedi. We even killed Skywalker" Sidious: "Good, good... You did WHAT?!?

[@pbobmapping4178]

Jo Theunissen lol I need to like this

[@ThePalaeontologist]

Sidious: _You have done well Lord Tyranus_ Dooku: _The war has begun Lord Sidious_ Sidious: _And what of Anakin Skywalker?_ Dooku: .... Sidious: _Well?_ Dooku: _He...got gored and trampled to death by a Reek_ Sidious: .... Dooku: _He was trying this really bad mind trick and_ Sidious: **rages**

[@jotheunissen9274]

@Filipe Manuel Tiago Pedro To be fair, back then Anakin was only a padawan without much real battle experience Even the jedi masters can't block every single blaster shot if they fire from all directions

[@deathsticksaddict7756]

Anakin or not, as long as Palpatine was undetected, he'd continue on with his grand plan and keep Dooku as a temporary apprentice until he could find a more powerful one.

[@asianaedan]

They tried. The animals.

[@lonestoner8297]

They forgot their plot armor.

[@nunyadamnbidness2531]

they didn't have plot armor till the next trilogy. silly Jedi.

[@sfgiantsfanmike]

Not quite they just didn't have enough plot armor to go around do to Anakin and Obi-Wan hogging most of it.

[@davidsutter9973]

@@sfgiantsfanmike I think they used up most of their plot armor with Jar-Jar in episode 1.

[@yoshitsune5691]

Actually most Jedi didn’t have any real battle experience because there was peace for ages

[@gabrielho1874]

So they're not worthy of plot armour

[@baddragonite]

It's funny the movie sorta treats it like "Haha fun adventure" when no it was more like a bloody massacre

[@jonseon5952]

When I watched the movie I didn't even really notice Jedi dying. I was just focused on the popular Jedi.

[@weldonwin]

I still remember the tonally deaf TV spot for Revenge of The Sith where an over excited voice over guy calls a movie about the death of democracy and the rise of an oppressive empire "The Most Galactic Fun"

[@englishlady9797]

@@weldonwin I think part of the issue is the movies that kind of deal with serious themes made to be suitable for 12 year olds.. I almost feel Revenge of the Sith could have been better had it been R rated, simply because its so dark in many places.

[@Snagabott]

I have always maintained that between Star Wars and 40k, the latter may be grimdark™, but at least they seem to have the decency to acknowledge that it's bad when bad stuff happens. Case in point: Inquisitors tend to be fairly solemn when they pronounce Exterminatus on planets, and do not do so lightly. In SW, Leia be like "well, I lost my planet, my friends and family and everyone I cared about, but I met two cuties and had a ton of fun, so that's a win in my book". And she's the good side.

[@Snagabott]

@@englishlady9797 100% Agreed. It's quite baffling to me that Lucas insists that SW is a kids show, when it so clearly isn't or, at least, doesn't have to be. As evidence for this, he could not only look to the multitude of diehard fans (of SW or MCU or other fantasy ip's) who are old enough to be grandfathers by now, but also the fact that fantastical folklore was originally tales made by adults for adults*. If that stuff used to appeal to adults, so can his space wizards. I actually think his rep as a "mediocre writer" is undeserved to an extent, in the sense that the core of the story in the prequels is imho a really, really fascinating one... the only problem, as you say, was that it fell apart whenever he tried to mesh slapstick humor for children (looking at you, Jar Jar) into a deep tragedy about evil schemes, Machiavellian politics and how love and good intentions can be manipulated to serve the dark side. *The only reason some people think of wizards and trolls and dragons as belonging strictly to "children's stories" today is because the guys writing the stuff down in the 1800's edited very heavily to tend to the sensibilities of the time: violence was heavily toned down, all the erotica was purged (and either published separately or buried entirely), and the language was heavily bowdlerized.

[@markuhler2664]

Jedi? Arrogant? Everyone hit a pose & looked like they expected the enemy to crumble. I'd say the 30 were lucky to get out of there.

[@dhwwiiexpert]

Agreed. They acted like members of Ginyu Force but without power to match.

[@scottgrasser9475]

the only reason they did was because dooku and his master allowed it had dooku not stoped his droids to give the clones time they would have just died

[@comradekenobi6908]

Droids: "Stupid Jedi, this isn't JoJo Dumbo!"

[@reepacheirpfirewalker8629]

It reminds me of a survivor of the German attacks at Verdun who were defeated by the Germans, one of the Americans wasn't surprised by the loss of life, he was surprised that anyone had actually survived the battle.

[@fm_0523]

Imagine training for your whole life to become a Jedi and then die against a B1 battledroid

[@raptordoniv6779]

that’s life

[@richardpagel6959]

Well this IS the problem... these jedi losers just trained but probably never have been in a real fight. I mean, with whom? There was peace, kind of, for a 1000 years or so. :D

[@raptordoniv6779]

@@richardpagel6959 as Bane once said : “Peace has cost you your strength! Victory has defeated you!”

[@magatetus]

Maybe Super Battledroid or Destroyer Droid, seven of them were present.

[@mrblank-zh1xy]

Lol

[@masteroftheassassins]

Sidious was right when he said that the Jedi’s arrogance blinded them

[@xnjaxninjayt4115]

The ironic thing is sidious arrogance blinded him from for seeing his first death by Vader and his 2nd death from Rey but let’s be honest no one considers the sequels cannon

[@tillbot1651]

xNJAxNinjaYT did ray even kill him?. I thought he rinsed his own face off with his own power pretty much. It was such a forgettable and confusing mess I cant even Remember..

[@xnjaxninjayt4115]

Genevieve Clark for real all I know is sidious ether accidentally committed suicide or Rey killed him

[@xnjaxninjayt4115]

Joe McIlroy from a certain point of view

[@tillbot1651]

xNJAxNinjaYT I watched the scene again and it looked like accidental suicide to me. Lmao. What a noob.

[@SFforlife]

“Wait a minute, how did this happen? We’re smarter than this!”

[@ShadowWolfIsTheGOAT]

Apparently not

[@jacksonbroadus6298]

@@ShadowWolfIsTheGOAT Yea

[@GalaxyDogenut]

@@ShadowWolfIsTheGOAT I say patience.

[@Mourtzouphlos240]

Are you though?

[@SFforlife]

@@Mourtzouphlos240 B..but muh Force...

[@ronaldmalcolm5609]

I wonder how many lightsabers went up on e-bay after the battle? I can see the auction headline now: "The Jedi May Have Gone Down Like Punks, But You'll Never Have to Buy Cutlery Again!"

[@jayvon221]

Generally grievous had a field day after it was over

[@silviafox78]

"make bacon without a frying pan!"

[@Wonmanbanned]

“Self toasting bread knife”

[@jacksonbroadus6298]

Lol. Theyd probably drop in value

[@randomjap8431]

Grievous should had been like "Yes! YES!!!"

[@libertatempugnator9643]

In my best mandolarian voice: They brought swords to a gunfight

[@enki6676]

Yep. Don't bring a lightsaber to a blasterfight. Just don't. Bring a Westar and some sort of shield instead.

[@sterlingcooper1]

i have spoken! 😁

[@tarbo5477]

Lol

[@anvvil5629]

That was very Roger Roger

[@martinsharrett1872]

No, they brought stupidity to literally any fight. This entire battle would have been won by a single first level Microsoft customer support tech in about 5 seconds. Jedi: oh God what do we do?? There are billions with blasters and we have swords that are like glow stick things!!! Tech: have you tried turning them off and then on again? Jedi: there shooting at us!! Tech: yeah, just use your brain move-y thing. If that doesnt work just pull the battery out....... Ok, so they are all down then? Great...... Is there anything else I can help you with today?

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

Because the ones they took weren't trained well for armed conflict and likely most were mediators.

[@goodmind4940]

Training? What is that

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

@@goodmind4940 Something the Jedi used to train for peacekeeping.

[@spencermadison]

@@goodmind4940 The education, instruction, or discipline of a person or thing that is being trained: Dictionary definition. Example: You are bad at shooting the basketball so you train yourself to be better. Like you shoot the ball at different spots a lot of times to get better in your accuracy.

[@demi-femme4821]

They also forgot to bring Oppo Rancisis. You know, the top strategist of the Jedi Order.

[@goldfishprime]

@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 Difference between peacekeeping and peacemaking. It's the difference between stopping someone on the path to conflict versus someone who is set on causing conflict.

[@sirshockraiden]

His subtle mockery of Ki-Adi-Mundi and Aayla Secura by saying they used forms that were good for defending against multiple people with blasters, while showing them getting gunned down, it's great

[@GenerationTech]

He gets it

[@user-Jay178]

Lol

[@ObiWansPP]

God dammit I was about to comment that

[@leemeyer9395]

Lol be the first few jedi to die you don't quite feel the disterbance as well

[@more-reasons6655]

@@leemeyer9395 Yoda was lucky that palpatine doesn't know how to make group calls 😂

[@GoodSoup]

The high ground is crucial.

[@BluMan506]

Thats why Obi-Wan anikin and padmay survived they got on the rino thing allowing them to get slightly higher ground they would have won if the other jedi were not there they had the low / equal ground then they brought Obi-Wan down to there level.

[@GoodSoup]

@@BluMan506 and when Jango Fett's Jetpack broke he had to play on the same level as the Jedi.

[@thehighground7732]

I am inevitable.

[@GoodSoup]

@@thehighground7732 I believe that a purple guy owns that line. You are rather, superior.

[@cilliancartyblake7897]

Yup those jedi should have used the proper tactics, as everyone knows nobody can beat you, if your on slightly higher ground then the enemy

[@Dr.Pootis]

Personally, before watching I'd say there are 3 main reasons why. 1. Unlike the Jedi, the separatists had a relatively unlimited number of droids to throw at thier problem. The Jedi on the other hand had no reinforcements until the arrival of the clone army, leading to them being quickly outnumbered and surrounded. 2. Given that droids don't contain the force in them like organic races do, it was likely harder for the jedi to sense any hidden threats, having to determine thier location by "tracking" the blaster bolts thier precognition alerts them to. 3. Unlike the Jedi of the Old Republic, the forces sent to the arena likely had little to no experience with large scale combat due to the previous millennia of relative peace. This inexperience was likely made worse by my first and second point, leading to the massive losses at the arena.

[@nathantheghost7768]

This comment contains the best critical thinking I've seen in a while.

[@digheanurag]

Also terrible strategy

[@m.c.martin]

Dooku also knew the Clone Army was coming, that’s why he stopped the battle, Because he saw they weren’t going to make it

[@delta2372]

If this was old republic era jedi the arena fight would have been a pushover for the jedi

[@delta2372]

@@mrbencroft8251 to put the power levels in comparison, a padawan from back then was on a knight's level compared to the clone wars era and a knight from back then was on a master's level in the clone wars. The old republic jedi would have been able to wipe out the droids in that arena and capture dooku all at the same time

[@OneColdtruth]

Dude and this is why i feel for the clone troopers...imagine being lead by these monks in robes and seeing ya brothers getting chopped down by droids in a flawed formation/plan and fulling knowing ya leader lacks leadership! . Ah man....

[@carstencasady6477]

That’s why the 501st is so good compared to other legions not cause they’re better soldiers(some were) but Cause someone like anakin actually led them

[@JohnDoe-gn4xj]

thats how the real military is so starwars in this sense is a little too real lmao

[@xenocide1307]

The Jedi were shit commanders for much of the early conflict. It took a lot of grind and loss to learn the craft of battle command.

[@carstencasady6477]

@Adam and Eve Im aware

[@Stegibbon]

@@carstencasady6477 the episodes with General Krell show this so well.

[@TheSahaquiel]

Trains 30 years to control the force, more 20 years to train your lightsaber skills, decades of religious and mythological knowledge, trains dozens of Padawans. Dies by a B1 battle Droid

[@mikhailvasiliev6275]

Not every Jedi trained in everything. Almost all of them didn't, only had their specialties.

[@clearspira]

Because the lightsaber is a great self-defense weapon but a terrible weapon of war.

[@blackshogun272]

If the Jedi used blasters, grenades, and lightsabers they'd be unstoppable...

[@AndrewDelgado-og6es]

BlackShogun 27 force pull jango back right to your barrel obi wan: Nowi have the high ground

[@davidty2006]

might as well use a light saber to protec and shoot back with a blaster for the ultimate weapon.

[@neblolthecarnerd]

That’s why esras lightsaber from rebels is so good

[@justaknight4719]

@@neblolthecarnerd Ezra's lightsaber should be standard..

[@LordEmperorHyperion]

The Jedi should've learned this quote, "When you fail to plan, you plan to fail." Hence 86% of the Jedi pay the price.

[@reepacheirpfirewalker8629]

And as was said that Jedi were not military or should be used in this way.

[@AkodoAkira1]

"He who questions training only trains himself at asking questions."

[@Strategistdating]

Powerful quote

[@ztol4_i126]

Made Order 66 that much easier.

[@scepticalbeliever]

Disney didn't know that either

[@thediamondtree4027]

In a deleted scene you see they also had a team going to the command center to turn off the droids, but then discover the new droids work independently. It would have been a nice callback to ep I and show the Jedi actually had a plan

[@thatonea-hole]

Yeah, rather than go & fight them, I guess

[@balfourdie]

"Ancient weapons and hokey religions are no match for a good blaster by your side, kid" - Han Solo

[@nl396]

I bet Mace Windu was the one behind that horrible battle plan, he's the definition of jedi arrogance.

[@ThePalaeontologist]

It was as far as I'm aware. He outright says, rather stridently showing the arrogance of the Jedi, that, "I will take what Jedi we have left to Geonosis", after Yoda says he'll go to Kamino to see the Clones for himself. By, "what Jedi we have left", I guess he means ready to go at short notice (though it could be seen as lazily contextually ambiguous, typical of some of the dubious writing choices Lucas was responsible for) and not either too busy on other missions, or too old/young to go. Obviously when he was written to say that, stood in the Senate Building, with Yoda, watching proceedings in what seemed to be a random viewing platform or maybe even one for them, it was probably just done to sound cool or something. Mace just seemed to be following standard Jedi policy, albeit this time taking a particularly big strike team of 212 Jedi. In fairness, from a Jedi Order perspective, it was a huge deployment for a single rescue mission. What could possibly go wrong? -_-

[@averagefriend6291]

No, Actually it’s of short notice. They could not handle just about 10,000 Battle droids.they are lucky even a few of them survived. For all we know on a different timeline made or obi could of died.

[@ThePalaeontologist]

@@averagefriend6291 I said it was about the matter of short notice and likely due to the way most of the ~10,000 or so Jedi were busy or unsuitable. Realistically though, and something too few seem to realise, George Lucas was salty as fuck about Ridley Scott's Gladiator (2000) and it's critically acclaimed success. He saw it while Episode II was being made and wanted a giant arena spectacular for his own movie. It's not a coincidence. Just like Lucas was 'inspired' (and not at all jealous, _nooo_ perish the thought old boy!) by the Olympian success of James Cameron's TITANIC in 1998. It rankled and annoyed Lucas, as it seemed to steal his own hype and thunder for the prequel trilogy he was embarking on, in the build up to Episode I TPM 1999. "You might not have noticed that, but your brain did" - Harry S Plinkett. It was cynical one-upmanship. For Lucas's ego circa 2000 to 2002, the Jedi now become the scapegoats and -fire retardant- morons Leeroy Jenkins'ing themselves into the most obvious trap since (nevermind, I won't tell that joke, I may have gone too far in a few places, to quote my favourite flannel shirt wearing writing genius) P.S - you're right. By all rights no Jedi would have left Geonosis alive. Thicc plot armour. On the plus side, Natalie Portman never looked better. "She had the best midriff in the galaxy" - Obi Wan, unofficially, probably.

[@averagefriend6291]

But, the theology of episode II made the trilogy seem.. well medium it for it. I want to talk he said alright now best friend is no problem with George Lucas school style of a mini minter but either way the palaeontologist you’re still right

[@basildraws]

In the case of Windu, no, not arrogance; that’s Yoda’s trick. With windu the flaw was defeatism. He could not recover, spiritually, from his demotion from balance-bringer. Once the Skywalker line was discovered, he collapsed in on himself and became impotent.

[@user-Jay178]

They have never been in a real battle and had not fought a war in a thousand year. Great video

[@paradox_gaming1818]

Victory had defeated the Jedi

[@AD-hw3nk]

Let’s be honest tho, George Lucas just wanted to creat a seen of hopelessness before the clones showed up to save the day...

[@shreyashshrestha6085]

I love clones, poor guys

[@OceanSoul1969]

Right, he obviously didn’t take it too seriously with all of the stupid jokes he had 3PO saying

[@parkertyner2669]

Scene*

[@ChristianAuditore14]

All this fanfiction piss me off

[@brandywinebridget]

It had been a long, long time since the Jedi faced an opponent that *wouldn’t* fold after seeing two hundred Jedi with lightsabers. Honestly, the main flaw was underestimating the Sith and their ability to create an army willing and able to face Jedi.

[@thatonea-hole]

I mean this happened ALOT during the times of the old republic, what with the sith empire & Mandalorian war against the republic

[@Nephalem2002]

@@thatonea-holein fairness the Sith Empire Disappeared for like 300 years yet because of Revan and Meetra’s warnings they were at least prepared this time. Kao Cen Derach managed to defeat Malgus’s Master before losing to him after being exhausted.

[@hongsmoker]

“Peace has cost you your strength! Victory has defeated you.” -Bane 1000 years of peace for the Jedi became a weakness.

[@indianajones4321]

This party’s over -Mace Windu

[@masteroftheassassins]

Indiana Jones “Brave but foolish, my old Jedi friend. You’re impossibly outnumbered.”

[@indianajones4321]

@masteroftheassassins “hmf, I don’t think so”

[@johndelandy9923]

Not yet

[@NarwahlGaming]

"That doesn't look like a party." - Black Widow

[@someoneirrelevant6815]

Well the rest of it definitely wasn’t a party...

[@AlexSDU]

The very first mistake from the Jedi is that they let themselves to fight in the middle with the enemy around them. By doing that, now they have too many area to defend. And the enemy can shoot at them from every direction. Have they decide to fight in the side of the arena, at least they have wall behind them and they can just focus on the incoming blasters in front of them. Or better still, fight in a confine area like tunnel where large numbers don't have advantage against them.

[@fezenclop]

Good point!

[@williamryder8497]

So much for one Jedi being worth a thousand battle droids. Edit: Thanks guy I've never gotten this many likes before.

[@stumac923]

100👍

[@1subwithnovideos]

10👍

[@AMPMASTER10]

The Jedi shaped up in the ensuing battles and the weaknesses in the droids were more well known and were exploited mercilessly. So in the end, a single Jedi was worth a 1000 droids... but not the betrayal of someone close to them.

[@rudebwoytroy]

depends on the jedi loool

[@Alex86465]

Maybe they killed 200,000 battle droids but it was off camera

[@widgren87]

Or to quote Bane ""Peace has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you". The Jedi had not seen a serious threat in centuries and had turned from an army to a semi-monastic order. I think the closest we have today is the Shaolin, I wouldn't want to fight one but neither would I want them to lead a war for me.

[@derek96720]

Any average ufc fighter would straight up dumpster a shaolin monk of today's time. They're more performers than fighters at this point.

[@widgren87]

@@derek96720 Part of why I used them as a comparison to the Jedi but my point still stands, I personally would not want to fight one.

[@Cursedmanplays4631]

@@derek96720 Not only is that debatable, it has to do with one's skills, will power and physical advantage.

[@derek96720]

@@Cursedmanplays4631 go research what the shaolin temple practices today and tell me why you think it's debatable.

[@Cursedmanplays4631]

@@derek96720 Literally mentioned half the reason why.

[@coop-likes]

Most skilled Jedi in the order getting mowed down like womprats by a kid in a T16 Padme: E-5 go pew pew

[@dhwwiiexpert]

Because massed infantry charges over massively open and flat terrain with effectively non-existent combined arms tactics is a bad idea.

[@SagaciousNihilist]

Especially in the space age lol, with all manner of weapons of war being tossed at you.. Lucas made the jedi look extremely incompetent, especially since they knew, they only had a limited amount of clones compared to the Droids.

[@erikuu96]

If Rey was around in this battle... R: "It's ok guys, I got this" Everyone survives, and while contemplating the victory you hear a scream in the background. Reeeeeeeeey!!

[@mst9697]

Master Jedi: "we must work as one..." "Jedi's dying in the background..." Also MASTER JEDI: "everyone for himself!!!"

[@mlo009]

LOL

[@DanielBMS]

That is funnier than it should be!

[@jacksonbroadus6298]

lol

[@ThePalaeontologist]

Dooku outright predicted (from experience as a former Jedi Master, often part of strike teams) that the Jedi would bravely yet complacently Leeroy Jenkins themselves into an easily prepared ambush. Even just within the Petranaki Arena complex, 10,000 Battle Droids and hundreds of Geonosian warriors were waiting. Then there were what, like 3.7 million droids outside around the planet, mainly in that area? Dooku outsmarted the Jedi Order but it wasn't exactly that difficult. P.S - I'd definitely watch Count Dooku doing a podcast. Also, George Lucas saw Ridley Scott's Gladiator (and it's success) in 2000, while making Attack Of The Clones, so he was jealous and wanted an arena battle too. True story.

[@derpygaming1157]

Glade I wasn’t the only one who saw this as one huge, “Leeroy Jenkins,” battle plan 😂

[@ThePalaeontologist]

@@derpygaming1157 Haha nice one dude :) because you're absolutely correct it is one and Lucas doesn't know how to write his characters to be strategically and tactically intelligent without making them look like emotional hippies. Obi Wan literally just discovered a massive droid production industry on Geonosis. Jedi Order: swiggity swooty comin' for CIS booty. ..with 212 Jedi VS 3.7 million battle droids. Okay, there were 10,000 Droids in the arena, but are they insane? What do they think will happen roughly 2 minutes after igniting their lightsabers and doing action poses? That the Seppies will go, ''wah neeyyy, le lightsaber so scare!"

[@twistedmetalplayer2152]

I wish it was possible, but the actor of Dooku died.

[@ethanmoon3925]

1. They didn't swoop in, rescue the hostages, and get out. possibly zero casualties 2. They didn't converge on the enemy leadership and force them to surrender end the war with possibly few casualties 3. What were they even doing? 4. Profit?????? 5. seriously, they must have believed that their opponents would throw their hands up at the sight of a lightsaber... the way most people had responded to their presence in 1000 years

[@mzaite]

You forgot 6: When you have giant space ships, you just shell their asses from orbit.

[@mzaite]

@AKUJIRULE It's a big Galaxy where Slavery is just a thing that's done.....individuals aren't really worth anything.

[@anthonymichaeleardley494]

You cannot actually spook a battle droid. It reminded me of that poor swordsman in the movie Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. Poor bastard does a billiant display of swordmanship and gets shot for his troubles.

[@danmarusan2878]

During the first battle of Geonosis almost everything what could go wrong went wrong: - If the Jedi used the terrain to their advantage, like retreating to the small corridors, luring the geonosians and droids into narrow passes they would have to deal with much less blaster fire. 2-4 Jedi could deflect blaster bolts, while another, who is protected by the 2-4 other Jedi, uses telekinesis creating mobile shields out of the battle drois or throws them back into the enemy ranks like devastating projectiles. - Fighting on open ground, against an enemie force which outnumbers your own troops more then ten times is a guaranteed death sentence. Especially if your troops are sorrounded. - If Mace Windu, Ki Adi Mundi, Plo Koon and Shaak Ti decided to team up, engaging Dooku in a lightsaber duel the war would be over in minutes. Not even Dooku could defeat this amount of duelists. During the battle outside the arena the list goes on: - Instead of bombing the sh... out of the droid army, which outnumbers the clone troops to an ridicolous amount, the Jedi decided to do Leeroy Jenkins and charged the enemie head on. That`s foolish, stupid and borderlines insanity. - If Yoda decided not to follow Obi Wan and Anakin and saving them from Dooku both of them would be dead. Someone as wise as Yoda should have know that capturing Dooku would be the key to everything and that only he and Windu are a threat to him. So why wasn´t he following his former padawan?

[@matthewblackwelder6487]

Now I'm upset we never got that duel!

[@casbot71]

*Jar Jar Binks:* This a here is called a Gungan Force Shield. Very useful for protecting da Force users. We Gungan don't get a shot when holding them, can be a used one handed, like so. Many of them we have as gift for Jedi, after battle of Naboo. As well we have Boomas, which can _whoa!_ [A Padawan uses Telekinesis to lift a Boomas grenade] Hmm, methinks a atlata throwing stick, you will not need.

[@danamoore1788]

"Sir the gungans sent mister Binks to deliver some supplies. They think you might need them." Jedi reception rolling their eyes. "Riight the gungans have advice for us. Thank them nicely and toss it in storage room thirteen." "Uhm I am not familiar with storage thirteen sir?" Jedi reception sighs. "Also known as the trash compactor."

[@ashenwanderer3592]

Wtf....?

[@rylharris4514]

Dana Moore the Jedi in your comment is what the Jedi should be cause they are meant to be heartless at anyway

[@danamoore1788]

@@rylharris4514 I was thinking brainless. The gungans fought the droid army in a straight fight and were holding them just to kill time. Not trying to actually win. And their shields really did help. But the jedi superiority complex says anything the primitives did was idiotic and toss it. Not look for the wisdom in what actually worked. I imagine that the battle of Geonosis would have had fewer jedi and clone casualties if they just had a few with those shields.

[@Hektols]

@@danamoore1788 Just imagine if the gungan themselves came to rescue the Jedi.

[@slicerneons3300]

Even with laser swords & magic, most jedi are peace loving beatnik hippies. Hippies are worse than dolphins.

[@JACCO20082012]

Cartman approves of your message.

[@robertowens2022]

They should of used dolphins and not jedi.

[@weswolever7477]

Dolphins: so long and thanks for the all the fish

[@NarwahlGaming]

🎵 "Imagine there's no blasters. It's easy, if you try." 🎶

[@JBSauce]

30 of the Jedi remembered to put on their Plot Armor, and therefore survived.

[@Emperor_Palpatine_66]

*The arrogance of the Jedi blinded them*

[@NarwahlGaming]

AVENGE OUR EMPEROR!!

[@saveritas731]

And they experienced the true power of the Dark Side.

[@rirdan9342]

1:52 And the Jedi-Shows Anakin.... Were committed to preserving the - Shows Padme... Republic.

[@GenerationTech]

;)

[@jacksonbroadus6298]

Ahahaha

[@casbot71]

*Count Dooku:* Master Windu, how pleasant of you to join us. You're just in time for the moment of truth. I would think these two new boys of yours could use a little more training. *Mace Windu:* Sorry to disappoint you, Dooku. This party's over. *Count Dooku:* Brave, but foolish, my old Jedi friend. You're impossibly outnumbered. *Mace Windu:* I don't think so. The Geonosians aren't warriors. One Jedi has to be worth a hundred Geonosians. *Count Dooku:* It wasn't the Geonosians I was thinking about. How well do you think one Jedi will hold up against a thousand battle droids? [Battle commences, the Jedi get some pruning. After they are whittled down to 30 and Dooku calls a pause…] *Count Dooku:* Master Windu, you have fought gallantly. Worthy of recognition in the archives of … *Nute Gunray [interrupting]:* All droids _FIRE!_ [Afterwards back at Corescant] *Count Dooku:* The force is with us, Master Sidious. *Darth Sidious:* Welcome home Lord Tyranus. You have done well. How went the battle? Young Skywalker was suitably chastised as we planned? *Count Dooku:* Umm, yes about turning him to the Dark side…

[@permeus2nd]

Because they weren't trained to fight, oh they where trained the lightsaber forms but there's a little bit of difference between actually fighting and being shown how to fight, we saw a ton of this last year on yt when martial arts experts got there butts handed to them vs MMA fighters as one is trained to beat someone up the other is shown the moves that could in theory work in a fight but they have never tested it so they don't know how to use them in a real fight.

[@11shiroineko]

And for most of them it was mostly ritualistic/religious, you don’t see a the Shaolin monks leading an army Also close quarters combat is not the best against an army with long range attacks

[@englishlady9797]

@@11shiroineko Which makes you wonder why the frecking Republic kept using them to fight wars. They weren't Templars for heaven's sake, who were actually trained for combat.

[@permeus2nd]

English Lady well you have to look at the setting to see the reason for this, Star Wars is a massively stagnant setting, the tech, the politics it’s all almost all the same stuff with just new names on old things, the jedi leading the army of the republic is just a no brainier I mean just look how they did in the times of the old republic look at how well Revan lead the army’s back then so of course the modern day Jedi will be just as good...... right? But the difference is that revan wasn’t really a Jedi that’s what aloud him to go off and fight, in the times of the clone wars the closest we have to a revan was Anakin but he was no where near as trained as revan was, Anakin was a good leader but not a good General while revan was both to the point that just knowing you where facing him was enough to win a fight, and that’s why the republic turned to the Jedi because they always have.

[@dragoncrusader8580]

@@permeus2nd as a Revan fanboy i agree totally :D

[@sin5946]

Nah, the logic was this; “I think it would look cool if a bunch of jedi fighting only the infinite droid army, then when the hope is lost for them, suddenly yoda shows up with the clones” “Wow good idea, lets do it”

[@vanish7542]

But thats what happened

[@jack__8360]

Kinda funny to think the queen of Naboo managed to survive over 130ish jedi

[@slycordinator]

"the other problem is they vastly overestimated their enemy's strength" You definitely meant underestimated. I mean, you immediately follow it up with describing how they expected it to be a walk in the park. ;)

[@ggt47]

*Ryan George* : Because.

[@Monarch-hk1rx]

warren byrne that’s tight

[@jnb4989]

Surely it would be tough for battle droids to kill 200 Jedi? Actually, it was super easy, barely an inconvience

[@ggt47]

@@Monarch-hk1rx Being tight is *TIGHT*

[@ggt47]

@@jnb4989 Oh, really?

[@jnb4989]

@@ggt47 wow wow wow

[@orangeyoda6299]

I usually try to watch Generation Tech videos the day they come out so I was really confused as to why I hadn’t seen it.

[@ortherner]

10 Hours Ago? Published 40 minutes ago?

[@prismarinegiant6176]

@@ortherner yeah wtf

[@wet_weather_imp]

The dark side is a pathway to many abilities some consider, unnatural

[@futuramayeah]

Mace said that I don't think the Sith could return without us knowing about it

[@Emperor_Palpatine_66]

* Laughs in Sith *

[@danielpetrucci8952]

Luaghing in Darth Sidius 😂

[@xoulmannn]

It's a shame that they weren't as combat ready or force imbued like they were from 5,000 - 1,000 BBY.

[@xoulmannn]

@Amber Hoke True true 🤣

[@lukeklo]

The greatest tragedy in star wars was the death of coleman trebor

[@52flyingbicycles]

I’d also add that their strict “defense only” use of the force prohibited them from wholesale shredding the droid army with their minds. The OG Clone Wars showed that the Jedi corrected that mistake quickly

[@derektakeno2192]

Why didn't they throw their lightsaber like Darth Maul liked to do? It takes out many enemies at once. Particularly if the opponent has no lightsaber and force skills.

[@noblestring6843]

Imagine throwing away your only defense at hundreds of droids that can easily gun you down

[@dannyw.7571]

i mean if you arent trained in a bolt deflecting form... your lightsaber isnt a defensive weapon in this situation ;p ... unless youre the lucky few to go toe to toe with dooku and dont think jedi trained against flamethrowers either

[@derektakeno2192]

@@dannyw.7571Almost all jedi were trained in deflection, but some trained more than others. Their real defense was the force; without it they wouldn't last long. Even without the lightsaber, they could still defend themself, although not as well.

[@derektakeno2192]

@@noblestring6843 If you weren't trained in the right form, you wouldn't have lasted either. The lightsaber wasn't their only defense, they still had the force, which gave them precognition. Besides, they would only be without it for about 3 seconds, as they have force telekinesis. So they aren't just throwing it, you use the force to control the path, spin, and direction of the saber.

[@OuterRimPride]

Because they ran in there BEFORE THE CLONE ARMY EVEN ARRIVED

[@mashedinc.3037]

"Ki-Adi-Mundi was profiecient in Form III" gets killed by like 5 clones

[@Awesomeisme7000]

Tbf the jedi were caught completely off guard and the echoes of death among their order left them vulnerable

[@carterdahl9654]

I don't care how good at form three you are, if five clones are firing directly at your torso from near point blank range in rapid succession you're going to have a hard time deflecting all those. And he was taken off guard

[@generalsagmandia8239]

They died because the Force was WEAK with them.

[@cercaz]

Coleman Trebor sounds like a Ken who calls the cops on you for loud music at 5pm during the weekend

[@SuwinTzi]

"Let's just do what we normally do, despite Dooku being a former Jedi, what's the worst that could go wrong?" -Jedi Council

[@derpygaming1157]

Little large scale combat experiences at the time, overconfident with their force abilities, and for the most part a leeroy jenkins battle plan.

[@patrickcombs3567]

They were skilled but not experienced but also were over confident of their mystic. Meer mention of jedi usually won many conflicts.

[@treiwilson9445]

A lot of the Jedi who died only knew the basics of form 6 Niman. They never mastered the form and took it to it's highest degree.

[@AMPMASTER10]

Of the Lightsaber combat forms used there Form 1 Shii-Cho: Good for beginners but terrible in a real fight outside of a honorable duel let alone a major battle like at battle of Geonosis. Form 2 Makashi: Good for old fashioned dueling. That it. Already almost dead by Clone Wars started. Form 3 Soresu: A defensive style all about outlasting an opponent and striking when they are open. Most Form 3 users survived the battle and it became THE most popular form to use. Form 4 Ataru: Full of beautiful and awe inspiring acrobatic moves meant to outmaneuver, confuse, and overwhelm targets. BUT TERRIBLE IN LONG DRAWN OUT BATTLES AND LEAVES ONE MORE EXPOSED THAN OTHER FORMS. No one who survived Geonosis used Ataru, or at least not exclusively. This one was better in short skirmishes. Form 5 Shien & Djem So: Actually two different fighting principles that could be argued that they should be separate styles. Basically Form 3 but more proactive (aggressive/violent). This became the second most popular style during the Clone Wars. Most using this survived Geonosis. Form 6 Niman: Good form that was well balanced and incorporated the Force in a lot of its moves. However not very aggressive and not defensive enough for big battles. Most users at Geonosis died. Form 6 Juyo: Sith fighting style that is rarely used by the Jedi. I don't know if it was even used at that battle. Vappad a variant made be Mace Windu was used there, but Mace is the only one who knows it.

[@Sergius648]

The thing is... most jedi were proficient in first 3 forms. So... did they really just keep on using whatever they specialized in when they could have temporarily switched to Form 3 in a scenario tailor made for it? Seems like it, but it makes no tactical sense. Ah well... movies... its best not to think too hard.

[@AMPMASTER10]

@@Sergius648 Not necessarily, Form 3 was popular but not the main thing at the time, Form 2 was practically dead at the point due to the lack of encounters with Sith or enemies wielding martial weapons that can withstand a lightsaber, and form 1 was more like the lightsaber 101 for younglings that was useful as a starting point to to other forms. 4 and 6 were the most used at the time leading up to the Clone Wars. 4 was best used by someone like Yoda who mastered using the Force to enhance and revitalize their bodies, but also was good for basic law keeping because even harden criminals would freak at a Jedi flipping and cartwheeling while slicing and dicing their way through their goons. So most didn't use it to its full potential like Yoda. 6 was mostly used by Jedi serving as diplomats, ambassadors, or other non physically demanding jobs like Librarians. Most 6 users had neglected keeping up their practices, and lacked the fitness for full on battles. The popularity of 3 skyrocketed during the Clone Wars.

[@Sergius648]

@@AMPMASTER10 my point is that while too many of them specialized in Niman - they still knew form 3 from their training. It's not like they just decided early in their padawan stage to choose one form and have 0 knowledge of the rest. My understanding is that all of them got training in Forms 1 and 3 before making such a choice. The whole business with forms doesn't translate very well into martial arts. When I trained in King Fu - there were animal forms for example. But people didn't just limit themselves to only using it - you can use a move from 1 form when appropriate, then do one from another form right after. The idea that Soresu has some kind of magic blaster shield move and practitioners of other forms can't do the same move does not make much sense.

[@AMPMASTER10]

@@Sergius648 while true with martial arts but this is Jedi martial arts, the force is used in it. You can learn the moves but without the right training in certain aspects of the Force it doesn't work. Greviois could mimic the style but had to SERIOUS cybernetic augmentation to be up there with the Jedi. And second 2 and 3 weren't taught to younglings Form 1 was. And 1 does cover stuff in 2 and 3 but at a basic level. Hence why every one can deflect blaster bolts and duel with sabers, but 2 and 3 excel at those fields.

[@alphonsusho8962]

Damn being a Camera man has it's perks, you rarely die even when tons of blasters are firing around you!

[@theholydemonofthegneisenau1702]

Plot twist:the Jedi were to dumb to even go against the droids And were kamikazes

[@sayjinpat4life]

@generation tech at 8:12 this is the best sarcastic joke I've heard. Perfect timing with a straight face. Cheers

[@Reaper06x]

You say the Jedi had no chance of sneaking in when they LITERALLY snuck in. 😂😂😂

[@DietrichMikowski]

If the cloaks were to conceal their movements, why do they always take them off at the advent of battle?

[@mrillis9259]

Did Yoda flip around with his on or off? Ob1 seems to think his restricted his movements.

[@elchichosantana6410]

Because it is a bad ass if Jedi wear robes.

[@raptordoniv6779]

To look cool before fighting

[@monsieurduquack5440]

They should have Lightsaber bayonets on blaster rifles

[@phrogg7417]

That would require a ton of crystals tho

[@JesusHasRisen1]

So basically, they were just arrogant.

[@RM-jq5vi]

3:47 Silly Jedi. Using plastoid armor. Did they not know that diamond and netherite armor are much more protective?

[@tillidinfactory2070]

In the old republic literally one jedi would have struck a force wave and all droids would have been mush

[@TheOtherAngle]

Q: Why did so many Jedi die at Geonosis? A: Bad writing.

[@nfldend501]

The Jedi had no buisness being Ground Generals they could be advisors and war council but they had no buisness commanding an army it's like a samarai being in charge of the United States Marrines

[@Nubin2000]

The Jedi should have mastered Shien and Soresu Forms for Blaster deflection considering it the main weapons in this era.

[@martinsharrett1872]

They would have been far better off just reading the first page of the Microsoft tech handbook. Step 1. Turn it off then on again. Step 2. If step 1 fails yank the battery as well.

[@mlo009]

Droid army had AOE cannons, can't deflect that shit.

[@redhoodreviews8504]

So basically, they went full Leeroy Jenkins on Geonosis...sounds about right.

[@juankenon]

What I love about all these EU/Lore videos is that they literally put more thought and research into them than either Lucas or Disney did in the actual movies.

[@LittleMacscorner]

Wow. I just learned more about the Jedi in the past 10 minutes than I think I have in the past 30 years. Where to find the info on all there forms and Jedi specialties? Thanks!

[@nobleman9393]

Suggestion: US Marines vs Galactic Marines

[@cryptosporidium1375]

The victory is determined by the better bayonet charge

[@marrqi7wini54]

@@cryptosporidium1375 If that's the case, US marines. The galactic marines of the galactic republic don't have bayonets. (In fact, no clone in the GAR use bayonets.)

[@Ben-jl2rh]

@@marrqi7wini54 so the US marines win

[@nobleman9393]

@@marrqi7wini54 Probably because bayonets aren't very effective against Droids.

[@nella9115]

@@Ben-jl2rh nah the US marines get roasted by the fact that clone troopers take 10 years to train all the way up to adulthood.... US marine training is 11 weeks which is NOT enough time to train s fully capable soldier right out the box.

[@eskieliazar5816]

I wonder if the republic had an army before clones

[@kylermillsap8068]

The Old Republic had an army but I believe it was wiped out and they just decided to not make one again and use local forces on Republic planets. This was the 1000 years of peace.

[@imperial6123]

Now only if there were 212 sith Lords, everyone would get mowed.

[@GenerationTech]

A lot of lightning I would imagine

[@imperial6123]

There would be a lot more survivors.

[@Bronasaxon]

Assuming they all didn’t start killing each other like the Sith tend to do...

[@pyeitme508]

They are sxxx! Also wish for more Earth vs Star Wars videos in the future!

[@nobleman9393]

Palpatine vs Stalin

[@pyeitme508]

@@nobleman9393 or Hitler vs Palpatine

[@Bronasaxon]

“Quantity has a quality of its own” -Joseph Stalin (allegedly)

[@GenerationTech]

Let me kill all my best generals before wwii Also Stalin

[@Bronasaxon]

@@GenerationTech that too.

[@disgustedcharlie6679]

They forgot the most important rules . _"In times of peace, Prepare for war."_

[@alisterfolson]

The worst Jedi battle it may be, but the various lightsaber battles in the background were (and still are) worth repeated viewings imo

[@jokerhalo1]

I remember as a kid while watching episode 2 thinking that the jedi that survived the battle were the only Jedi left any where

[@judsonfilms6430]

They should have done some air strikes ready to use on the seating in the stadium. Would’ve saved them a lot of great from the Geonosions and may have even stopped a lot of battle droids from collapsing tunnels

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

With what?

[@adambrown3918]

Thank you, Alan! I enjoyed this immensely. Thank you for attaching names to faces involved in the Pretenaki arena battle. What a horrendous loss of life. Irresponsible of The Jedi! On a different note; glad you're feeling better. May the Force be with you. Thanks for posting! 😊

[@wcnighthawk125]

To be fair, if Mace would have waited for the Clones to back them up, Kenobi/Anakin/Padme "might" have been executed by the time they showed up. I say might, because we don't know what kind of plot armor would've been used.

[@Zyborggian]

Dooku on Rogan is the funniest thing I've ever seen Rip Christopher Lee you absolute king

[@BedrockBlocker]

Why didn't Dooku send droids in the area where the spectators were sitting? They would have had free fire down on the Jedi.

[@aurorajones8481]

I have to say you guys (true fans) flesh this stuff out SOOOOO much. Id bet real money both Star Trek and Star Wars will turn into real religions in the future. Both have such followings which build and continually flesh out the universe, i mean hell you have Jedi form moves and everything else. Seriously tho...500-800 years in the future i doubt it will be known or downright forgotten that these were fictional works and not true stories. Think about it.

[@GenerationTech]

Lol

[@scottgrasser9475]

always thought it funny that padme somehow survives

[@GenerationTech]

Yea right anakin must’ve been watching out