Why Thrawn HATED the Death Star - Star Wars Explained

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@ericokonkwo7771
@ericokonkwo7771 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if Thrawn was the main antagonist in New Star Wars Trilogy instead of the First Order!
@imonit4272
@imonit4272 Жыл бұрын
🎯 Would that we could reverse the sun….but alas, we can only imagine.
@KaiHung-wv3ul
@KaiHung-wv3ul Жыл бұрын
Then there would have been only movie because he would easily win against the weak and incompetent New Republic and Resistance.
@adamt2564
@adamt2564 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, they could even call the debut movie heir to the empire.... oh wait we already had that trilogy decades ago.
@kvltofsobek90
@kvltofsobek90 Жыл бұрын
That would require competent writers
@raijyn2452
@raijyn2452 Жыл бұрын
Imagine Thrawn as the emperor
@ryanhernandez5632
@ryanhernandez5632 Жыл бұрын
Going to have to agree with the space smerf. The deathstar was a waste of resources and time. That's not including the fact they could have made planet killer weapon on much smaller scales.
@gradybrown9301
@gradybrown9301 Жыл бұрын
I mean in Legends they did. One was called the Sun Crusher and was classified as a fighter. It had special missiles that could cause a star to go supernova
@Boneyard250
@Boneyard250 Жыл бұрын
Bruh, it was the 70’s. They did what they could. 🤣🤣🤣
@GGBlaster
@GGBlaster Жыл бұрын
I remember watching a vid where they did say that the Death Star weapon itself was actually a small portion of the battle station. They could hove built the thing on an asteroid. More stealthy, easier to staff, natural protection, and much, much cheaper.
@nunyabeezwax6758
@nunyabeezwax6758 Жыл бұрын
A fleet of ships that could simply lower power level superlaser other ships on the other hand... Just take Venators (Or a similar ship that would have that much room/space etc.) and make small superlasers like Anakin did - a whole fleet of those fuckers - but with dedicated lasers and gravity wells and cloaking devices and black hole generators. Obviously you'd be adding more power, .6 hyperdrives (or just making .5s) and a LOT of turbolaser and point defense laser batteries... which you'd be able to power just fine, because you're not doing any ground landings. You have other ships for that. Then watch anyone stupid enough to oppose you with capital ships utterly decimated. And still have more than enough room on each one for 50+ TIE fighters.
@oldtimefarmboy617
@oldtimefarmboy617 Жыл бұрын
The Death Star was more than just the weapon. It was a battle station. It had hangers big enough to park an imperial mark 2 battle ship where it could undergo refueling and provisioning and repairs in a protective environment conducive to rapid work. It would also be a major communication and control center for multiple fleets in the galaxy far from the capital. It was a safe and welcoming place for rest and recreation for imperial troops during long deployments and a hospital and long term care facility for the wounded. The weapon was a bonus since having the Death Star show up in your system would create the fear that the emperor thought would keep restive systems in check since it could blow a regular planet to pieces with one shot. But as always with despots, they counted on fear to do most of the work and looked at the little guys as not significant enough to worry about. A belief that was prevalent throughout the imperial hierarchy and was made manifest in all of their ships. All of which were designed for engagement with ships of the line in fleet engagements and which is why virtually every imperial ship destroyed, like the Death Stars 1 and 2, were destroyed by smaller ships and fighter bombers.
@thunderstudent
@thunderstudent Жыл бұрын
It should also be mentioned in legends, Vader and Thrawn both saw it as a waste of resources and time. They in this regard were very like minded, preferring more capital ships and better star fighters. Vader also saw the Death Star as insignificant compared to the Force, and said as much in the original film. In legends, he even smiled after the Death Star was destroyed, because although his master would punish him severely, he was ultimately proven correct. Thrawn as you said put the empire and his people above himself. In legends he knew the Yuzhazn Vong were coming with gigantic fleets and warships. He wanted to keep the galaxy safe from the Yuzhazn Vong, and wanted a united fleet that could combat them. If Thrawn had any faults, it would be him trying to fight the New Republic instead of trying to inform them of the threat and making a temporary peace until the Yuzhazn Vong were dealt with. Bringing the Imperial Remnant forces under his control and producing as many ships as he could under the circumstances and then fight the Republic when they were weakened.
@jaymikevillanueva1212
@jaymikevillanueva1212 Жыл бұрын
What Thrawn should have done is take control of the Imperial Remnant by either eliminating or strong arming the warlords to give complete control of the Imperial military while having the Moffs back him into brokering a peace with the New Republic. That way, he could have rebuilt the Imperial military by reforming it into an efficient machine designed to fight the Yuuzhan Vong. Remember, the Empire of the Hand had dozens more sectors than the Remnant. He could have combined the two states into a new Imperial state that is a realization of Thrawn's ideals and pragmatism.
@snerdterguson
@snerdterguson Жыл бұрын
He also had the same failing as the Emperor in taking for granted the loyalty of a subservient. It was his most trusted bodyguard, if I'm remembering the name right, Rukh, who kills him in Legends Canon. He became complacent and never thought the Noghri would find out the truth of what the Empire did to their home planet. That they did find out was what led to his downfall. On a semi related note, I know that it won't be Rukh vs Chewie, but I really hope the Noghri appear in Ahsoka and there's a scene where one beats down a wookie. I remember as a kid reading g the Thrawn trilogy and rereading the part where Chewie gets his ass kicked over and over. Because I didn't think anything could take down a Wookie that easily.
@alexschorr9551
@alexschorr9551 Жыл бұрын
The problem there was that he saw the Republic as weak, they didn’t have much of a focus on their military and their system of government made it hard to make tough decisions when they need a majority to agree. He calculated that it would be better to overthrow the new Republic and re-establish the empire, then to ally with the new Republic.
@owenb8636
@owenb8636 Жыл бұрын
A fair criticism of this I've seen is that the empire was so huge that the amount of resources it would have taken to build and crew the ships necessary to police it would have been prohibitive. As it turned out, it still would have been better to invest in the ships but it's understandable why the emperor went the route he did. This is the drawback of running a state without consent of the governed
@alexschorr9551
@alexschorr9551 Жыл бұрын
@@owenb8636 that’s more of a reason to build more fleets then. The Death Star can only bring order and control to a single system at a time, and is the biggest target for rebels in the galaxy.
@PinkyJujubean
@PinkyJujubean Жыл бұрын
I've concluded that Thrawn is smarter and shrewder than everyone else. He doesn't do anything without thinking three moves ahead.
@snerdterguson
@snerdterguson Жыл бұрын
Then again, he is stabbed by his bodyguard because he takes his loyalty (earned through deception) for granted. Once the Noghri found out what the Empire did to their planet, Rukh took Thrawn out.
@Jestrath
@Jestrath Жыл бұрын
As you should. Lack of foresight is setting yourself up for failure
@georgetrapp6666
@georgetrapp6666 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn is versed in almost all culture's artistry, and draws a parallel to what and how an adversary's military strategy would be like. He learns too late, simply because he doesn't see them as adversaries, that the only artistry the Noghri possess is their prowess at assassination.
@JohnnyDominion
@JohnnyDominion Жыл бұрын
Darth Sidious: This death star will protect me from any light side threat. *GETS THROWN DOWN THE SHAFT FROM THE VERY LIGHT SIDE THREAT RIGHT NEXT TO HIM*
@ShawnHCorey
@ShawnHCorey Жыл бұрын
Both Death Stars were the bait to expose the light-side forces that would challenge Sidious. They would also work as a symbol of imperial power but would not be very useful as a military asset.
@lilacocto9103
@lilacocto9103 Жыл бұрын
Well said!
@SparkShadow212
@SparkShadow212 Жыл бұрын
It's a very wasteful and expensive bait, which is sort of fitting for Sidious. I feel like it's more likely a gigantic flex and intimidation.
@rickacton7540
@rickacton7540 Жыл бұрын
@@SparkShadow212 like building the twin towers and knocking them down, or forming entire countries and dissolving them into a new 3rd country through war or coup d'etat
@samvanderplas8970
@samvanderplas8970 Жыл бұрын
"Giant bait for light-side forces" what? Cope much? It was just a classic sith mistake, the way of thinking that let the death star be built, is the same way of thinking always resulting in the fall of the sith. Arrogance, focused on power and oh so scared to lose it. Thinking he can control the universe and even the force. It's not bait, it's the reason the sith will ALWAYS lose.
@tdracos007
@tdracos007 Жыл бұрын
They also both got blown to smithereens! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@nicktechnubyte1184
@nicktechnubyte1184 Жыл бұрын
He's a tactical genius! Unlike everyone else in the empire!
@christophergardiner5351
@christophergardiner5351 Жыл бұрын
More then that, he is a pragmatist. He doesn't care, or understand, what the other leaders feel. He sees the battlefield without the social pressures and politics that may hinder others. To him, it is all a big chess game.
@snerdterguson
@snerdterguson Жыл бұрын
There were some very brilliant tactician who were part of the Empire for a time, if unwillingly. In legends canon, there's Garm Bel Iblis. In the current canon there's Ackbar who was forced into it. I believe, though this may be legends canon, that he was under Tarkin. There was also Pelleaon, though he was not nearly the tactician Thrawn was. Another great one was Natasi Daala.
@snerdterguson
@snerdterguson Жыл бұрын
Apologies. I think I'm mistaken about Iblis. He was not an imperial officer, he was a senator who, I believe, found the remainder of the Dark Force fleet of dreadnaughts.
@RomLoneWolf23
@RomLoneWolf23 Жыл бұрын
Honestly not a high bar to clear, though.
@georgetrapp6666
@georgetrapp6666 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn has an odd way of knowing the tactical background of a species or a culture, simply by studying their artwork. Paintings, sculpture, mobiles, artisanal weaponry, etc. It is almost as if he has a bit of Force intuition, if I didn't know better. But he has studied art for as long as he has strategy, has drawn a parallel between the two, and he is always right. At one point, he acquired some Mon Calamari art, and a particular piece uniquely accredited to Admiral Ackbar himself.
@symbolik4372
@symbolik4372 Жыл бұрын
The Death Star was ultimately the biggest, flashiest vanity project for Sideous. He wanted a weapon so powerful to demoralize any rebellion but simultaneously show off the empires fortune, and might. As Luke said in Return of the Jedi, "you're overconfidence is your weakness".
@scamhunter2346
@scamhunter2346 5 ай бұрын
This also caused people across the galaxy to go rebellion against the Empire especially Alderaanian. All thanks to Grand Moff Tarkin who allowed Rebel Alliance to gain power and strength
@sheilaolfieway1885
@sheilaolfieway1885 2 ай бұрын
"You're faith in your friends, is yours." yet what friends did sideous actually have but himself??? Luke had no only himself but his friends in this way Luke was more like Thrawn....
@Zer0_._
@Zer0_._ Жыл бұрын
It also represented about half of the best and brightest that the empire had to offer. Most of the rest went to the Executor, which suffered a similar fate. Not only does thrawn prefer a mobile navy of many capital ships, as it's the best configuration for a force to defend spaces like the empire owned territories, but it also ate a lot of the best personnel in the empire.
@ZillennialJ
@ZillennialJ Жыл бұрын
When your Vice President and Secretary of Defense both tell you ‘no’ you should probably listen 😂
@marsneedstowels
@marsneedstowels Ай бұрын
Speaker of the House Tarkin was a big yes though.
@ironman44320
@ironman44320 Жыл бұрын
On Sidious's view oh the irony how one so gifted in Force destroyed his answer to a rebellion of the Force. On Vader's view, power easily obtained if often easily lost. On Thrawn's view, he was a genius. Although a massive fleet would also consume massive resources, it would allow the Empire to have a show of power everywhere at once, and not just where the Death Star was at the time, and must harder to destroy let alone cripple.
@sonicgen20
@sonicgen20 Жыл бұрын
Moral of the story, always listen to Thrawne.
@ridiculamcanaliser5780
@ridiculamcanaliser5780 Жыл бұрын
Sidious thought it was a good idea cuz he was a psychopath.
@imjaylen6461
@imjaylen6461 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Thrawn met Vader before but he was Anakin at the time and Thrawn respected Anakin at the time
@danielburmas1136
@danielburmas1136 Жыл бұрын
This video explains why Luke said to Darth Sidious in Episode 6 that "Over Confidence" was 'his' weakness. However, this video proves that it's not just over confidence that led to Sidious' downfall, it was his arrogance towards the fact that he believed that since the Jedi were all but defeated after the Clone Wars, nothing would stand against him, not even the Rebellion or the Force itself. It was also his ignorance towards others who expressed their concerns towards Sidious' plans including Thrawn and Vader. Overall, it was a combination of different factors that led to the downfall of both Sidious and the Empire. Had he heeded the concerns of Thrawn and Vader, the Galactic Civil War would have turned out differently.
@justan324
@justan324 Жыл бұрын
wasnt it said also in legends that the true purpse of the death star was to repel the Yuzhazn vong ? i remmeber seeing that some were
@ZoeMalDoran
@ZoeMalDoran Жыл бұрын
pretty sure that was in-universe speculation... no-one could prove it, and of Palpatine's various superweapons, the best one to defend the Empire against the Yuuzhan Vong would have been the Galaxy Gun; primarily because it doesn't have to be anywhere near its target to destroy it
@jamesmartin9401
@jamesmartin9401 Жыл бұрын
The Death Stars were to me an obvious analog to Schwerer Gustav and Schwerer Dora. Really impressive weapons that sucked way too many resources from other needs because the arrogance of the leadership thought they could simply morale bomb their enemies into submission.
@kuhluhOG
@kuhluhOG Жыл бұрын
or the Maus or the V2 or in this day and age at least capital ships in general (with our current technology submarines outclass everyone else in practice; seriously, look at the training exercises the USN had with Sweden and Germany (one Swedish submarine even decided to just surface in the middle of the escort fleet and was undetected until then))
@dragonace119
@dragonace119 Жыл бұрын
Originally the first railway guns were made to smash holes in the Maginot Line but became useless when they just bypassed the whole thing. However after France fell they continued to make more of the things for some reason.
@traytonvanderecken3311
@traytonvanderecken3311 Жыл бұрын
I agree with Thrawn
@sageviper2981
@sageviper2981 Жыл бұрын
I’m not surprised thrawn opposed the Death Star. In Rebels he was portrayed to be a very quiet imperial operative. Plus it wouldn’t fit his personality, he was never very flashy despite owning hard to acquire artifacts
@jonathancapel3595
@jonathancapel3595 Жыл бұрын
There's also this to consider. When people hear of the Death Star, will indeed submit in fear. Others, however, will throw everything they have at it because they have everything to lose. I think Sidious severely underestimated the Rebels resolve to fight.
@darbyohara
@darbyohara Жыл бұрын
No. The rebels would have lost if it were not for the efforts of Luke skywalker. He’s the single most important factor in the rebels success. And it’s cuz he’s force sensitive. Without special magic powers the rebels lose 10/10 times
@firstnamelastname9237
@firstnamelastname9237 Жыл бұрын
@@darbyohara A. Sidious knew jedi survived. And jedi are exactly the type to join the rebllion. Sidious not only knew that, but found out about Luke and STILL continued. Also, he and Vader both had the force. So it wasn’t a one sided thing. B. Sidious only got to where he was due to the force as well. If he didn’t have it, he would have failed before the empire even existed.
@darbyohara
@darbyohara Жыл бұрын
@@firstnamelastname9237 not necessarily. His force sensitivity was important but not a requirement to his rise to power. Much of the effort he took has nothing to do with the force. It doesn’t take magic powers to hatch a takeover plot and scheme in the shadows to effect a government crisis. The CIA does it all the time
@snerdterguson
@snerdterguson Жыл бұрын
Biggs could have done it had he not gotten shot down. He was best friends with Luke, so he probably used to bullseye womp rats with his T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than 2 meters.
@darbyohara
@darbyohara Жыл бұрын
@@snerdterguson na the force was not strong with him
@marshalllatta2073
@marshalllatta2073 Жыл бұрын
AM so excited to see Grand admiral thrawn in ahsoka series this summer
@bobafett6174
@bobafett6174 Жыл бұрын
What I love most is how Sideus reaction to the Death Star destruction ranged from disappointment to being absolutely livid, even cloning the designer so he could kill him over and over again
@hilestoby2628
@hilestoby2628 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn was right.
@jamesflynn4951
@jamesflynn4951 Жыл бұрын
Imagine Thrawn with the starforge. He'd be unstoppable
@dansokulski4039
@dansokulski4039 Жыл бұрын
This one was fascinating. I knew neither of them liked the Death Star but this lays out some very compelling specifics. Love the part about Vader “earning” his power through suffering
@anuragsingh4654
@anuragsingh4654 Жыл бұрын
a planet has so many resources that would be wasted once it was destroyed, something that could set a planet's atmosphere on fir would be a much better option but the rakatan star forge would be thrawn's favourite superweapon
@lewiswatson7667
@lewiswatson7667 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting as always i find sidious and thrawn's interactions very illuminating
@crimsoncarnotaurus
@crimsoncarnotaurus Жыл бұрын
Another figure in the Empire that didn't like the Death Star was Grand General Tagge, his views probably would have supported Thrawn's stance as he believed that the station was a major waste of resources that would have been better off allocated in the military for example the amount of Super Star Destroyers that they could build.
@SBrown7525
@SBrown7525 Жыл бұрын
The Death Star should have aways stayed a contingency or a Feet Hub. At the very least they should have never used its main weapon against a member world unless to deplete it's planetary shield (witch could do at half power), and they should have put a lot more point defense or anti-fighter defense in place
@richv1893
@richv1893 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn was right from a certain point of view. He was short-sighted about the deathstar as a psychological weapon, which could be used far more effectively than an entire fleet of star destroyers.
@outlaw0987654321
@outlaw0987654321 Жыл бұрын
I completely disagree. The only thing a weapon like that can do is drive people to rebel. Its not like the leaders of every planet had total control of their people either. A planets leadership may submit, but a chunk of its people may join the rebels, what then? Blow up the planet just because some of them rebeled? Other than that at the end of the day, it is still just one station, that could only be one place at a time. A powerful fleet on the other hand is another story. ISDs are fully capable of utterly ruining a planet, not outright destroy it, but certainly a fleet of them can cause wide spread destruction, more than enough for a psychological effect and with several fleets they can be all over the galaxy.
@darbyohara
@darbyohara Жыл бұрын
Exactly. One Death Star is worth a lot more than a larger fleet
@firstnamelastname9237
@firstnamelastname9237 Жыл бұрын
It was more counterproductive DUE to that fear though. It was ultimately that fear that drove the rebellion to where it managed to destroy TWO death stars (massive resource sinks by the empire) AND made Luke who he needed to be to change his father.
@outlaw0987654321
@outlaw0987654321 Жыл бұрын
@@firstnamelastname9237 thank you. Fear is far from an effective tool of management. At besy it may work for a while but people will lash out at some point. Hell many imperals jumped ship after tarkin blew up alderaan. In my head canon i like to think people who made mistakes also joined the rebellion due to the fear of failure.
@lasprince
@lasprince Жыл бұрын
Thrawn was my preferred choice of the villain after Return of the Jedi. He used art, logic, and characteristics of people to be ahead of everyone. Mitth'raw'nuruodo was a genius.
@snerdterguson
@snerdterguson Жыл бұрын
That original Thrawn series was just loaded with great characters. Grand Admiral Thrawn, Gilad Paelleon, Mara Jade, Talon Karrde. Plus the birth of two others in Jacen and Jaina. Legends Canon wouldn't really even exist if it weren't for Zahn laying the groundwork and introducing key characters. I may have to read it again soon.
@snerdterguson
@snerdterguson Жыл бұрын
@Quarter Productions I haven’t read the newer thrawn books yet. I read all the ones prior to Disney buying SW.
@snerdterguson
@snerdterguson Жыл бұрын
@Quarter Productions I’m not, NOT, reading it. I have them on my shelf, just haven’t had time.
@Merlchar
@Merlchar Жыл бұрын
With the ability to "glass" a planet like was done to Mandalore with the Imperial fleet, why is there a need to blow one up completely? Kind of a logic error, but maybe just because it's more fun.
@АлексейМомот-щ7о
@АлексейМомот-щ7о Жыл бұрын
Usually planets have shields and planetary defenses to prevent stuff like this. Death Star can break planetary shields.
@spartanblast9189
@spartanblast9189 Жыл бұрын
The idea that Sideous made the Death Star as a means to fight against any Force divine intervention is awesome and puts the Death Star into a new perspective for me
@mattthemouse1
@mattthemouse1 Жыл бұрын
“Thrawn was right” Easiest content ever. 😂
@ZillennialJ
@ZillennialJ Жыл бұрын
He was right tho 😅
@ladyjustice1474
@ladyjustice1474 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn has a weakness, actually several. He expects betrayal, and weakness in others, and keeps things close to his vest. That will eventually trip him up.
@ryanmacdougall4651
@ryanmacdougall4651 Жыл бұрын
Legends canon also says that the death star was also a weapon to use against the yuzzhan vong.
@salsaspartan7
@salsaspartan7 Жыл бұрын
Another reason Sideous was ahead of the game and Lord Vader & Thrawn.
@SparkShadow212
@SparkShadow212 Жыл бұрын
​@@salsaspartan7 You say "ahead of the game", I say "shortsighted". The Death Star was expensive to build, even more so to maintain, and was Palpatine putting all of his eggs in one basket. Once it was gone, the Empire had nothing left. No backup plan, no secret ace in the hole, nothing.
@komah7909
@komah7909 5 ай бұрын
Thrawn does have a point to hate the Death Star: it could be pointed at his home people, it would destroy many cultures alongside the planets, they decommissioned the entire Clone Army to make the project more affordable, and they even disbanded the Senate (after he was banished to Peridea) . You could see how the Death Star would backfire on Palpatine
@KENOMAN1969
@KENOMAN1969 Жыл бұрын
A fleet of ships could easily destroy a planets surface. The total demolition of a world and it's resources makes no sense in terms of effort and cost. Additionally a large navy can be flexible and deployed in many ways simultaneously to fight and destroy the rebellion on multiple fronts. The Death Star was intimidating but not tactical.
@Maine307
@Maine307 Жыл бұрын
OK, soo, was the other Death Star being built concurrently or directly after the 1st one was destoyed?
@ignaciomoreno9655
@ignaciomoreno9655 Жыл бұрын
I doubt that the ones that wrote Episode IX knew about Thrawn.
@Hello-bi1pm
@Hello-bi1pm Жыл бұрын
They did. The plot of Episode 9 is repurposed Katana fleet idea from Thrawn books, just poorly done. Chris Terrio I think literally had The Last Command on his desk in the writer's room.
@Feanor6450
@Feanor6450 9 ай бұрын
if the money that went into the death star went into the TIE defender elite project the rebels would have been swiftly obliterated, the TIE defender elite had and I quote""speed, weapons and shields superior to any fighter in our fleet" and their analysts had yet to find a weakness in the design, 20 of those could have wiped out the rebel base on yavin.
@factfiend1000
@factfiend1000 Жыл бұрын
Tenebrous' grand plan made more sense. He wanted to merge the Dark Side with Supercomputers. This would allow him to predict the future, use the Force as an energy source and create a post scarcity planned society. No Order 66, no Death Star. The Jedi would fade from relevance, and the galaxy would enter a new age of prosperity.
@themagicgamer69magic4
@themagicgamer69magic4 Жыл бұрын
Honestly the emperors biggest mistake was switching out the clone army for some regular people in white armour and wielding blasters
@Superagent666
@Superagent666 Жыл бұрын
Vader also likely had issue with the Death Star being created via slave labor. He expressed this to Palps when he heard about the Empire using slaves.
@TByrom
@TByrom Жыл бұрын
Great vid with solid analysis and commentary. Thx for this!
@zacmarken65
@zacmarken65 Жыл бұрын
the death star is a failure from any conceivable viewpoint, i remember vaguely on wookieepedia reading about how the hutts also had planet destroying weapons that used large asteroids as the ammunition, there have existed either a few or many things in the star wars galaxy that can destroy planets and even more, all sidious had to do was scrounge around some old sith ruins to find a bunch of old anti force stuff if he wanted protection from a light side jedi.
@oldtimefarmboy617
@oldtimefarmboy617 Жыл бұрын
Centuries ago the Spanish built large ships with multiple rows of cannons along each side, built to overwhelm enemy ships with dozens of shots crashing through the enemy ship it went against. The English decided to build smaller ships with fewer cannons, and lots of them. When the conflict with the Spanish and English came to a head the Spanish sent their fleet into the English Channel to attach the English ports and invade England. The English fleet met them there and the battle begun. The smaller and lighter English ships were also much faster and were able to literally sail circles around the Spanish ships at speeds that made it very hard for the Spanish to time their shots so that they would hit and were further hampered by the fact that their cannons were designed to either hit other ships at a distance or similar sized ships up close. So by getting up close and maneuvering at high speeds and with multiple smaller ships for each smaller Spanish ship, the English were able to put enough holes in the sides of the Spanish ships at the water line that they were able to sink the majority of the Spanish fleet. In an attempt to escape the English and with their path south blocked by the English fleet, the remains Spanish fleet sailed north, right into the stormy North Sea which tore their sails apart which made it impossible for them to maneuver and let waves crashing into their sides roll them over and the seas to crash over the decks and sank the remainder of the Spanish fleet. The English were like small birds going after the fearsome hawk and driving it away, only much deadlier. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4S6lHyYg9Glb9k
@Gotham-guardian-pls7t
@Gotham-guardian-pls7t Жыл бұрын
And this is why I hate the British.
@joshuahenderson3444
@joshuahenderson3444 Жыл бұрын
And guess what Thrawn was right and we’ve already seen how that turned out in the OG trilogy
@darbyohara
@darbyohara Жыл бұрын
The Death Star is really the perfect weapon. The engineered flaw aside (easy to correct), the battle station is better than using the resources for a larger fleet. The simple fear of planetary destruction alone forces planets into submission. It’s too large to attack with capital ships as no one has a fleet big enough to succeed. Vader didn’t like the Death Star because it was ultimately a technological superior over the force. The force is an energy field between all living things and the worlds they exist on. Destroying the worlds, destroys the force.
@Michael-fb1rl
@Michael-fb1rl Жыл бұрын
Ultimately even though Vader made all the wrong sacrifices, he was still proven correct for anyone who for any reason wants power and control to any degree must be willing to sacrifice and be willing to do anything to attain it and keep it. Even Sidious made sacrifices and accepted his consequences for what he wanted, so quite literally they both proved that they indeed earned their power and control, despite not making overall good choices, they at least proved they were "higher, more powerful ", beings because they put their personal relationships and their physical wants on the back burner and valued their long term goals and their loyalty to their power and in essence the Dark sides wishes, because despite Palpatine foolishly thinking he had complete control over the Dark side itself all sith are ultimately subject to the Dark side period and Vader especially during the time of a New hope, he understood that much deeper than Palpatine ever did, mainly just because he never foolishly thought he was actually in control of the Dark side, but instead honored the Dark side and respected its power and it's will, in that way he actually exceeded Palpatine in terms of actual control the only reason he never overpowered Palpatine was because of the sheer amount of knowledge of the Dark side that Palpatine had and the simple fact that Palpatine was taught by one of the most knowledgeable of Sith in Darth Plaugouse. So quite literally if Vader had not been as physically limited as he was he could have very easily overpowered Sidious just in his natural force abilities which in his full power would have literally overshadowed the Emperor in terms of sheer might in the force.
@outlaw0987654321
@outlaw0987654321 Жыл бұрын
Tagge was against it as well he was the guy vader force choked in ep4 movie. Just like thrawn he said it was better to make more ISDs
@grisom5863
@grisom5863 Жыл бұрын
That was another admiral Vader choked. (Can't think of his name right now.)
@outlaw0987654321
@outlaw0987654321 Жыл бұрын
@@grisom5863 No that was tagge. There is a comic with him. For a time after the first death star was destroyed vader was placed under his command by sidious. Due to tagge being the only one speaking out against the death star and his fleet being mostly intact.
@eren34558
@eren34558 Жыл бұрын
No, I think that was Motti, not Tagge.
@grisom5863
@grisom5863 Жыл бұрын
@@eren34558 Thanks for pointing that out.
@grisom5863
@grisom5863 Жыл бұрын
@@outlaw0987654321 Ok here's the clear up. Motti was the one choked by Vader in episode four. Tagge was the one arguing with him. (He was choked to death in the Disney canon Darth Vader comics.)
@kennyking7445
@kennyking7445 Жыл бұрын
The Death Star was literally a shortcut to a long term goal. Thrawn was a master strategist and saw everything wrong with it. Plus the Death Star actually made the empire weaker. Kind of how a Mandalorian is dangerous to any and every type of fighter, but they are too reliant on their tech.
@Gor85
@Gor85 Жыл бұрын
I'm not surprised Thrawn was right. Brilliant tactician and strategist. I agree with Vader too. Death Star was operated by people who didn't deserve to be there,to operate it. It should be operated by those who deserve it. I completely agree with Thrawn. And Vader. Both were so right. May the Force be with you too :)
@SPCBRAWLERZ
@SPCBRAWLERZ Жыл бұрын
But if Admiral Thrawn said this to Emperor Palpatine directly to him offering his opinions, he'd get force choked if taken too far.
@Hello-bi1pm
@Hello-bi1pm Жыл бұрын
He literally did that 😉 No one force choked him
@rodrigoperez5073
@rodrigoperez5073 Жыл бұрын
Palpatine was not an idiot. He didn't kill his subordinates just because they expresed their opinion. If he didn't agree, he just rejected their ideas, but killing someone just because the have different ideas to help the Empire would make no sense
@eren34558
@eren34558 Жыл бұрын
@@rodrigoperez5073 to Palpatine, yes. To Vader? no.
@B3an01
@B3an01 Жыл бұрын
@@eren34558 to be fair with vader the officers that are incompetent as fuck die quick but no matter what you dont see him kill competent ones or try to harm them like when thrawn kept mentioning anakin infront of him any other officer would probably instantly die but since thrawn is useful he didnt even harm him but instead got so angry he just started shouting instead of choking
@hunterlawrence7228
@hunterlawrence7228 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn cared more about his own people the Chiss, more than he cared about the empire. Thrawn joined the empire as a spy, to evaluate the potential danger they present to his people. At the end of the day, he is loyal to his people.
@graysonhill
@graysonhill Жыл бұрын
Too many star destroyers means factions can break out. The empire collapses under warlords.
@aurolineblack3692
@aurolineblack3692 Жыл бұрын
The irony that both the dark and light side of the force turned on Sideous because of the Death Star.
@funnelvortex7722
@funnelvortex7722 Жыл бұрын
Not only that but the spirits of the ancient sith lords lingering from the Old Republic era hated Sidious, although they had some respect for Vader.
@guyverjay1289
@guyverjay1289 Жыл бұрын
Vader doesn't shock me, he literally shows he doesnt like the death star in ANH 😂
@1983horizons1
@1983horizons1 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn specifically wanted to shift funding from Project Stardust to his TIE Defender fleet.
@kbheath76
@kbheath76 Жыл бұрын
But lord sidious did have a back up plan he made two death stars and he still failed
@rxpvblic
@rxpvblic 9 ай бұрын
I think had they stuck to a Clone Army (verified that there were no chips or way for the clones to rebel against the Empire) and opted for an even larger fleet with a "third variant" of the ISDs and more SSDs I think the Empire would've lasted forever. (If they stuck with no more clones then sure more recruit) More flexibility, control, but most importantly presence. It's the presence of the Empire that has the people on its toes. Also, if Palpatine did not disavow the senate I think we would've seen more success. If they had granted access to Imperial Resources (troops/ships in exchange for materials) his Empire would have been secured from a political standpoint as well. (Imperial Senate using ships/troops to quell pirates, unauthorized movements within Imperial sectors, rebellions, etc)
@JaguarCats
@JaguarCats Жыл бұрын
So here's a question. If they had the ability to streamline and confine the power of planet killer to a single gun on a Star Destroyer...why did they WASTE so many resources on not one, not two but THREE Planet Killer bases?!!! And it can't be because the technology wasn't there. Cause it's too big of a leap tech wise to go from a Moon sized gun to a far smaller gun on a capital ship.
@CrniWuk
@CrniWuk Жыл бұрын
The Death Star was simply the Empires "Dora" Gun. The largest train artillery ever build - and which actually saw use. The resources spend on it have been massive. And it really saw only very little combat. The psychological effect of it however particularly on the own troops was massive though. Ultimately it was a waste of resources though. A display of gigantomania.
@funnelvortex7722
@funnelvortex7722 Жыл бұрын
This just further proves in my mind the Empire likely would have been way more successful if it was run by anyone other than a sith lord.
@OdiVonDobi22
@OdiVonDobi22 Жыл бұрын
Should've made it a cube. Cubes are really intimidating and menacing. The also can go really fast too. Spheres are pas·sé just ask the Flat Earthers...
@SirWhig-esq.
@SirWhig-esq. Жыл бұрын
I wish/love to see Palpatine versus the Yuzong Vong
@LordWyatt
@LordWyatt Жыл бұрын
Mentioning TROS is straight poison to me but Thrawn is worth it
@wafflecougar-online
@wafflecougar-online Жыл бұрын
rebelion could come from within. a large fleet could slpinter into factions and rip the empire apart. maybe palps feared that?
@BitoyV3
@BitoyV3 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn in canon, probably: I thought I would never again see Imperial minds create a project as idiotically vain as the Death Star... and then I heard about Gideon's plan to clone himself into an entire army.
@robstoppablecosplay
@robstoppablecosplay Жыл бұрын
Great video! Fascinating stuff. What is the name of the dark ominous music playing in the background? Please let me know.
@singingphysics9416
@singingphysics9416 Жыл бұрын
it's another example of the story just being made up as they went along. clearly the character of palpatine is not well suited to being an emperor who creates such a 'technological terror'. It would have been much better to have stayed with the original idea of a Japanese-type emperor, beholden to his generals, and kept palpatine as the Sith Lord pulling the strings from behind, ultimately wanting to dominate the galaxy with something more subtle and force-related
@jeffwolcott7815
@jeffwolcott7815 Жыл бұрын
I can't blame the men controling the Death Star for 'groviling' for power. THEY wern't the ones born Force-sensitive.
@Tywil714
@Tywil714 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn was probably the most valuable commander the empire had. Even more so than Tarkin. Thrawn approached everything from a pragmatic perspective and wasnt afraid or blonded by idealism. He wasnt power hungry either. He was on poont how absolutely wasteful it was to put everything onto the death star
@hazbin_hotel_lover788
@hazbin_hotel_lover788 3 ай бұрын
He is the reason why my first toon in SWTOR was a Chiss. Such an inspired character. I'm happy he's finally getting a real treatment in a live action show on Disney
@baldrian22
@baldrian22 Жыл бұрын
what would you want, a thousand+ (probably WAY more) extra star destroyers etc, or a single super weapon like the death star? i know what i would want. the star ships is far more usefull.
@eldenvedetta635
@eldenvedetta635 4 ай бұрын
Good vid until you mentioned Disneyy's Traash Trilogyy. No one cares, but you do you. This is why other Star Wars channels are better.
@aristogan
@aristogan Жыл бұрын
Waste of credits
@Furonanator139
@Furonanator139 Ай бұрын
Thrawn wanting run things like the english empire while sideous is eagerly following 1940's Germany's path
@Kaminkaese
@Kaminkaese Жыл бұрын
Thrawn had balls of beskar. Not having any actual knowledge, but yet he pulls up to palps like "sir-bro, we gotta talk."
@michaelthomas5433
@michaelthomas5433 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn knew the better idea was to put planet killing lasers on every star destroyer. But those star destroyers should be buried first. Because something.. something.. darkside.
@hgtrftfr
@hgtrftfr Ай бұрын
3:54 i have to disagree with the first half of this statement as i remember reading a comic( I can not remember which one) and in it states that vader also hated the death star program, he also alludes to this thought during the death star meeting in A New Hope, i think he says " the power of this battle station is nothing compared to the power of the force" and i also read somewhere that even the Force itself is against super weapons as well, e.g it guided Reven to the star forge to destroy it( the second time), Luke and friends with both Death stars, and im not sure if this counts because its not a super weapon but a species but the Rekarten Empire fell due some strange Force disease, im on the sidelines with this last one due the the fact that 1. We don't know how they got the disease and 2. They are the ones who built the star forge, my guess is that the force itself diseased the rekartens so that they would lose the ability to touch the force( they were more darkside like the sith purebloods then they were to the light), they were also cannibals, so they would eventually eat themselve to extinction
@outlaw0987654321
@outlaw0987654321 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if they made super ISDs rather than the death star. Each fleet has one with a swarm of regular ISDs. They could wreck a planet if they wanted to. Not blow it up but more than powerful enough to send a message.
@darbyohara
@darbyohara Жыл бұрын
The Death Star was better. It’s a more effective tool of fear. It also requires less manpower than a fleet of ISDs
@outlaw0987654321
@outlaw0987654321 Жыл бұрын
@@darbyohara The problem with that line of thinking is the complete lack of regard for the fact that fear can also make people rebel, which was proven after they blew up alderaan. The empire basically gave the rebellion a free promo. Many imperials rebelled as well. Now imagine if people with deep know how of the DS rebelled and spread out details about it. They don't even need to blow it up, just destroy the cyrstals powering the weapon and steal their supply of them and all of a sudden that weapon becomes worthless. The darn thing would cause more issues than solve, rebellions poping up all over the place and remember, it's just ONE assest.
@darbyohara
@darbyohara Жыл бұрын
@@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake no it wasn’t. It took ethereal magic powers to defeat it. Nothing tangible. That’s why the force is in the story, any viewer knows the prospect of defeating such overwhelming power and strategy can only be done with magic
@outlaw0987654321
@outlaw0987654321 Жыл бұрын
@@darbyohara You're looking at things purely from the standpoint of the movies. Even if the empire got the plans back the rebelion would have happened. It was already underway and it was more organized than you think. There is a reason why they were able to form fleets and secure fighters and the like. they operated in cells that were not aware of eachother. The DS may had make the rebels think twice for a few years but that's it. Again the DS is a single asset, even assuming the first one didn't blow up and they had 2 it's still just two assets. Assets that at the end of the day couldn't even be used because if they blew up planets as they pleased more people would rebel. The rebels employed a stateless strategy, the empire would have a VERY hard time beating them because The empire had no real target to attack and the rebels could end up popping up anywhere. At least with a fleet more places could be defended. The share size of the empire makes single powerful assets a foolish thing.
@outlaw0987654321
@outlaw0987654321 Жыл бұрын
@@darbyohara How did the force defeat the tarkin doctrine? Luke used the force a bit to guide the missile on the first DS but a none force sensitive blew up the second.
@sharkythe1st1
@sharkythe1st1 11 ай бұрын
Meh...I wouldn't exactly say he hated it, he just disliked the idea of it.
@Donkeyearsa
@Donkeyearsa Жыл бұрын
The empire did not need more Death Stars they needed massive numbers of smaller ships like Cruisers Destroyers, and Torpedo boats and not more battleships. You don't need a sludge hammer to kill a fly.
@ianwilson1302
@ianwilson1302 Жыл бұрын
Star Wars: The deathstar was a massive target and drain on resources and ultimately helped lead to the end of the empire. Disney: what if we made an even bigger death star?
@ianwilson1302
@ianwilson1302 Жыл бұрын
@user-hk8oo9nv9v oh man! Super stoked a spam bot selected me for some viruses!
@jimk140
@jimk140 Жыл бұрын
Fully operational and all.
@gerardorodriguez7500
@gerardorodriguez7500 Жыл бұрын
It did, it was a failure
@Kepora1
@Kepora1 Жыл бұрын
Why are you talking about The Ruse of Soywalker? I thought this was a Star wars video.
@wyoboy01
@wyoboy01 Жыл бұрын
I just find it funny that Sidious openly says he doesn't wish to rule over an empire of the dead and yet his go-to is these planet killers that eliminate billions.
@mrcool2745
@mrcool2745 Жыл бұрын
Better than drinking water at 3AM
@SlugmaChops
@SlugmaChops Жыл бұрын
There's a reason thrawn almost conquerors the galaxy and palpy didn't
@patrickfitzgerald1354
@patrickfitzgerald1354 Жыл бұрын
Not only could the two deaths stars budget have made a bigger star destroyer fleet but could of also made a much better tie fighter design and upgrade
@Furonanator139
@Furonanator139 Ай бұрын
You know I'd be very curious to hear what Kreia thinks of the battle station
@thesenate3728
@thesenate3728 Жыл бұрын
Its worth mentioning that Thrawn wasn't the only Grand Admiral who saw the downfall of the deathstar. When at least 2/12 of your Grand Admirals hold concerns, it's worth listening to them
@firstnamelastname9237
@firstnamelastname9237 Жыл бұрын
Both of whom are far from incompetent. This isn’t like they’re some random senators who got voted there.
@KaiHung-wv3ul
@KaiHung-wv3ul Жыл бұрын
Really starting to regret your decisions huh, Palpatine?
@kamerondonaldson5976
@kamerondonaldson5976 Жыл бұрын
the rebels put all their eggs in one basket to spring the trap on endor too.. although the emperor was dumb enough to personally oversee that battle.
@mikilonimoli3835
@mikilonimoli3835 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn is the universes ultimate threat.
@jonathandiaz4997
@jonathandiaz4997 Жыл бұрын
2 days ago
@123456789ule
@123456789ule Жыл бұрын
penultimate means second to last ;) Love your videos 👍👍
@Jasmine_breeze
@Jasmine_breeze Жыл бұрын
Sidious was beaten by his own arrogance. Like the Jedi 🙁
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