Why Tina Turner Gave Up US Citizenship

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[@LADETROIT]

The passport bros community is expanding exponentially and winning. Would love my final days to be in my wife's home country of the Philippines, where as a "black man" I'm treated like a king. 2030 rapidly approaching.

[@spacewalktraveller1]

People who think America is the greatest country on earth, haven't traveled much.

[@poindextersheelturn436]

It is, buddy.

[@juicyfruit4378]

@@poindextersheelturn436no it’s not

[@kennethmeeker6369]

When they say great there speaking of the political system and bill of rights not the landscape. There are thousands of prettier places than the USA

[@juicyfruit4378]

@@kennethmeeker6369 and there are better political structures than the US as well

[@spacewalktraveller1]

@@kennethmeeker6369 The political system great. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 You're funny.

[@karlklammer5473]

Just some remarks to the last years of her life: In 1986 she met the German manager Erwin Bach. (He was send from her record company to greet her at an airport in Germany.) They lived together in Cologne. In 1995 they moved to Switzerland. Erwin became the CEO of EMI Switzerland. In 2013 she became Swiss and reliquished her US citizenship and married Erwin. Three weeks later she had a stroke. In 2016, she was diagnosed with intestinal cancer. Since 1978 she had high blood pressure which damaged her kidneys. Erwin offered to donate a kidney for transplant. She accepted his donation and had kidney transplantation surgery in 2017. I am sure love had something to do with it... On May 24, 2023, Turner died at her home in Küsnacht, Switzerland, aged 83.

[@mulemule]

Jesus Wept. Kidney transplant _when you're 77?!_ God bless Tina but whatever happened to "going gently into that good night?"

[@nikolaivista920]

You typed: "I am sure love had something to do with it..." And I sing: "What's love got to do, got to do with it? Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken!?"

[@nikolaivista920]

@@legion-s7t Hypergamy is a scientific proven fact and thus a law of nature!

[@1rjona]

Like Josephine Baker, She went where she is treated best

[@kingmaafa120]

Facts

[@AntonioPeralesdelHierro]

Eartha Kitt had a feeling she didn't want to attend a 1968 White House luncheon. She was blacklisted after she criticized the Vietnam War in the presence of the first lady Lady Bird Johnson, and her career went into severe decline. She found Europe more welcoming, from which she returned to the United States a rich and famous black woman. She was subjected to US Secret Service surveillance. Although I'm sure that like anyone of dark skin in the US in those days (and these), she might be given to occasionally making ironic mention of social, especially racial attitudes, she was no overt radical, she was an artist - and they went after her, to determine how "dangerous" she might be, and more ominously, what to do about it. I suggest that we give a good yank at government's chain and bring further to it's attention our serious domestic needs, not the least respect from those who pretend to serve us, but whose pockets are lined to keep us DIVIDED, in dismay and confusion, but paying taxes.

[@iriswood3744]

I Dont Blame her

[@carollewis2174]

Agreed.

[@michaelle8384]

@@AntonioPeralesdelHierroeartha kitt was not a dark skin lady so is Tina turner and miss baker those 3 lady was not dark skin guest you story straight there’s a big skin tone different between Beyoncé and viola Davis

[@michellem3879]

I love that she was more popular/successful outside the US. Here in the US, nearly every interview wanted her to rehash her past with Ike. She deserved better. The US doesn’t like to let people let go of their past, especially if they can use it to hold you back or make $$ from it.

[@Ron-zr6se]

I left the US back in the 70's. Having been back a couple times on holiday, I have zero desire to ever visit it again. It's not about the taxes, it just felt wrong, I did not belong in the US.

[@hanna0322]

Can I ask you which country you live now?

[@ApriliaRacer14]

Right there with you. Parents immigrated from Europe (Germany and Ireland). I’m preparing to go back to Europe. Always felt like a fish out of water.

[@Ron-zr6se]

@@hanna0322 Currently in Vietnam. It's not for everyone but it is a good place to be.

[@d3r3kyasmar]

I felt the same. But its the opposite. I live now in the US. I am happy and thankful to be here. But i will never go back to the place where i was born. I dont fit in there and i have no sense of belongingness. I dont feel safe. I have to tiptoe, nod, and agree all the time.

[@morganretard706]

@@Ron-zr6se that’s great country bro…Cost of living is affordable compared to Thai or any other SEA

[@8StringKeith]

I remember when Tina Turner renounced US citizenship back in 2013 (🤔 I believe) My Dad and I were discussing this and to my shock, he told me, “I don’t blame her one bit. She worked her @$$ off to have the IRS confiscate half her wealth and that was an absolute disgrace” My Dad was the proudest American that I ever knew but he knew that his country was changing and NOT for the better.

[@Art-is-craft]

Tax rate in Switzerland is much higher than US.

[@quackdracular7610]

​@@Art-is-craftIt may be but you see the taxes at work. Impeccable pubic transportation and public safely, great educational system and retirement benefits make the taxes worth it.

[@Redpepper7376]

@@quackdracular7610Probably a better health system too.

[@st-ex8506]

⁠@@Art-is-craftSwiss here… having lived and paid taxes in both countries. Most Swiss cantons have taxes lower than in the US of A. The more expensive cantons, of which Zurich is, have a tax level similar to that of the USA, in no way “much higher”. But the real difference is in the level of service you get for the taxes you pay… it is immensely better in Switzerland.

[@Art-is-craft]

@@st-ex8506 Houses are 4 times more expensive in Switzerland, cars are twice as expensive with half the brand choice. True tax liability for a median income in the US in California is about 25% when all is totalled to include federal insurance, federal income, state and local taxes. In Switzerland at the median level it is also 25% when all managed liabilities are included. The difference I used California the highest liability state but in over half the states that liability would be closer to 12% on median income.

[@matthewbloomfield9372]

She oozes class!

[@SophyaAgain]

I believe that is one reason. Might be a matter of her temperament. Some people do not identify as citizen of their birth place. Yes, she is so lovely and classy. Cheers.

[@RussellMKay]

She fell in love and married a man who worked in Switzerland, then moved there with him. Sounds good to me!

[@innerdimensionsinc.1281]

I keep telling people… SWITZERLAND is it, if you can get in, it is America 2.0, less crime , better food, more nature

[@mamaitaliano9774]

I heard the newcomers have moved in though? How can that be good.​@innerdimensionsinc.1281

[@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle]

​@@innerdimensionsinc.1281 Switzerland is what American entrepreneurs are looking for for a good place to live, and Norway is what American workers are looking for for a good place to live.

[@capitalist830]

@@innerdimensionsinc.1281 Never compare Switzerland to America are you ok??? Not everything revolves around america/americans. Get off your high horses and never compare Switzerland to the united states...

[@silverlining6259]

@@capitalist830stop.

[@MCharlerySmith]

I am a tribute artist (Barry White /Motown) and Tina Turner was always a popular tribute act on the circuit during my time working across Greece and other Mediterranean countries (alongside MJ, Whitney, Beatles tributes et al). Her sales slump in 🇺🇸 can only be explained on how culture changed around Pop music, in particular RnB. She was a rare talent, great singer and amazing dancer. "Go where you're treated best": 🇺🇸 loss and 🇨🇭 gain.

[@SurpriseMeJT]

After moving to France, I now hear better Jazz here than I've ever heard in the US and I was a frequent visitor to New Orleans. American tastes are defined by the marketing. People like what they're told to like in America.

[@MCharlerySmith]

@@SurpriseMeJT. I think the Country and Bluegrass markets remain quite consistent but the others change with the wind. Turner should've been able to still sell well and have significant hit singles into the 90's and 00's but RnB radio wasn't really supporting her. .

[@GStampedeIII]

Her African American bases wanted her to do black music.. her handlers wanted her to be more international

[@Kevin-zz9nc]

I believe european audiences are more open to a crossover act. Audiences in Europe are predominantly white. They're more open to buying crossover music. Try getting black kids in US to buy Stones records. Not going to happen.....

[@MJ98774]

+1 Americans are idiots when it comes to knowing what good music is. I love all classic RandB/Motown/Funk as well as jazz fusion and prog rock. The music here is like the food....crap. The US is "Swifties" and Mc Donalds.

[@philippearmbruster2177]

Given how bad official America treated Tina Turner in her early years (Courts siding with Ike, giving her basically nothing at her divorce etc), she did hold on to US citizenship much longer than many people would have. Tina Turner was not just "given" Swiss citizenship, she went through the lengthy and cumbersome Swiss naturalization process which included becoming fluent in a foreign language, countless interviews with bureaucrats and studying for the citizenship exams. I remember watching the local Zurich TV stations interviewing her when she got her citizenship - she was so happy and proud.

[@kingmaafa120]

🇺🇸treated Tina bad before she became famous 👍

[@tamikofox-lunn3591]

@@kingmaafa120 Many artists of color. Hendrix, Nina Simone and countless other blues and jazz musicians.

[@dougscott188]

Tina was a great American 🇺🇸

[@poindextersheelturn436]

@@ovacumawyahweh1st Actually women of color, especially blak women are treat like gods in america. The parents put all focus on them in households, school focus mainly on girls, scholarship are aimed mostly or girls just for being black, companies rather hire them for cushy jobs and high paying ones, corporation like Goldman Sach set aside over 2 billion for blak women specifically, they get grants for businesses just for being a minority, the courts side with them over 90% of the time in divorces and society praises them for being single moms even if she had a baby by a loser. Blak men, white men dont get none of that.

[@Inunity2020]

I believe she mentioned she had too much trauma associated with some people in America which significantly contributed to her wanting to let go of the citizenship.

[@thylacine1004]

Tina Turner was an absolute goddess in Europe and Australia......sometimes in life,we just want to leave stuff behind and start again......After her divorce and in her mid forties,she had another crack,and filled all the stadiums !

[@tailgunner6948]

She gave it up because shes smart!!

[@Art-is-craft]

Not at all.

[@gaara4667]

@@Art-is-crafthow?

[@Art-is-craft]

@@gaara4667 She left America first personal reasons. Including living with her husband.

[@bibibachmd9995]

Out of over a hundred trips back to the US, only one immigration officer ever said "Welcome back home". The rest were either outright rude and nasty or indifferent at best. In Dubai, Hong Kong and even France I am greeted with hospitality.

[@kingmaafa120]

Facts know the feeling 😮

[@jasongibson8114]

Denmark 🇩🇰 is very warm and welcoming, compared to the U.S police state.

[@falazarte]

Same experience here

[@conq3097]

What a classy woman... you don't find celebs like that anymore

[@taliajournee212]

Canadian here! I love Tina Turner, her life wasn't easy and I think her life really began at 40. You touched on so many things I am currently thinking about: my career and my love life, I've always felt out of sorts here in Canada. Hoping to visit Switzerland and other countries to see where suits me best, personally and professionally.

[@popps33]

mmhm! A handful musicians in Jazz and Classical often migrate to Europe because they are most appreciated. I am heading to Europe because the industry I want to go in is stronger there than in US. Always go where you will be celebrated & desired.

[@TiredOfWhineyBajans]

Agree! She received more support in Europe than in the U.S., and she said as much in other interviews (there were other famous BW like her who found more success in Europe too). When she was being abused, it was also apparent. People were still defending and siding with Ike! I'm in Canada (lived in the US briefly decdes ago), and Canadians also leave because they're not appreciated in Canada either. North America as a whole in this context is a hot mess.

[@Jamaicafunk]

Josephine Baker set the standard back in the 1920's. Jimi Hendrix in the 60's as well.

[@TheParcelinho]

Might be worth investigating Shania Twain's case - she is also in Switzerland despite her huge success in North America

[@nobbynobbynoob]

Good one, though she's Canajun (eh!). :P

[@8d4o0c4]

Heck, I'd be in even more of a hurry to leave Canada than much of the US, at this point!

[@Redpepper7376]

Didn’t she have property in New Zealand?

[@thisiskevin1000]

A Canadian pop icon married a Swiss-French businessman

[@renatosureal]

What strikes me the most is that ... in those days, ONLY the very rich and famous could do (and BRAG about) it. Nowadays .... ANYBODY can !! (and nobody else needs to know).

[@jasonandersen5975]

@leleo5019why? Why not tell people? It might inspire others to take that step.

[@jasonandersen5975]

@leleo5019 yours is quite a silly comment. She was asked questions by an interviewer; she answered them honestly.

[@jasonandersen5975]

@leleo5019 then you should rethink how you chose to articulate your actual thought. It was clumsy and ambiguous.

[@jasonandersen5975]

@leleo5019 I don’t know because I still don’t know what you were actually trying to say. As I said, it was (and is) clumsy and ambiguous.

[@MRMATTROMAN]

Simply The Best Andrew! I was waiting for him to say “What’s Love got to do With It”…then we’d really be Rollin on the river…but then again We don’t need another hero lol

[@williamfleury4214]

I was going to say the same .. along the lines "So love DOES have something to do with it .."

[@joebidet2050]

She was more popular in Europe

[@D1Snr]

I was just about to comment the same. She was way more popular in Europe than America

[@gugy68]

She was huge also in Latin America. Her shows there were huge.

[@jubernardi23]

@@gugy68This is true

[@SeanOHanlon]

Think about how Tina Turner was treated for most of her life while she lived in the US: A Black woman living in the South through the 50's and 60's was not made to feel welcome in many places. Then she was married to a man who was physically and emotionally abusive. (Ike) The only thing that surprised me was that she didn't get out sooner.

[@anotherabeer4341]

Blacks in America have received for almost 60 years now preferential treatment known as Affirmative Action in employment hiring and college admissions. The race card nonsense doesn’t work as an excuse anymore.

[@moniquewrites9046]

@@legion-s7tbeing black in the US was no walk in the park and it does matter.

[@jephtealcena3464]

@@legion-s7tNo one is playing the race card. This is the reality that has affected millions of black Americans for generations. The impacts are still relevant.

[@HoDLum]

What a beautiful accent she had! I could listen to her for hours.

[@Maryjane13400]

Thank you for covering this. Josephine Baker is another Entertainer who left the USA. Would be interested in your take on that one.

[@allthingsnu4673]

I love how he explained that traveling to other countries forces you to know who you are. That is one of the reasons why I enjoy traveling. I sometimes feel that, if I had it to do over again, I would have left my hometown as a young women and explored who I was as I explored the world. I'm 59 now; I can still do it but I have regrets about not doing it earlier.

[@marineforces3214]

certainly one other reason : if u live in Zurich , u don’t get shot if u have to go to the grocery store

[@anotherabeer4341]

Hmmm, wanna guess which specific demographic commits a disproportionate amount of gun violence in America? In fact responsible for 60% of homicides by gun.

[@lisalove6327]

Alot of people in her social circle were very aware of her situation with Ike and somewhat complicit. Moving it was best thing she could have done

[@allanluis3696]

the abuse was bi-directional; adults should keep their hands to themselves.

[@bobbyschannel349]

Had nothing to do with Ike, she had divorced her years before.

[@adrian-4767]

lisalove6327 what's your IG?

[@itsnowjoke1381]

As a swiss citizen or a foreigner you can get a great tax deal even under the normal tax system particulary Canton Zug , Schwyz ,Nidwalden , Obwalden , the cheapest of these for real estate is Obwalden

[@jamesdean1143]

Hasn’t Roger Federer based himself in Schwyz ?

[@ZaneConnor]

Am moving later this year to Lucerne canton. Exciting.....

[@jamesdean1143]

@@ZaneConnor Very expensive.

[@itsnowjoke1381]

@@jamesdean1143 good that keeps it exclusive

[@drstewart]

@@itsnowjoke1381 Epstein was "exclusive"

[@YogaBlissDance]

I learned decades ago that she was HUGE in Europe at the time, like legendary, so she "went where she was treated best!" had to use your line. She got FLACK back then for this from many communities as it was more unusual at the time.

[@JaeSwift10JamellaSwift]

A lot of Black artists have left the US for better treatment. You didn't touch on the race factor. As a Black woman, it is exhausting dealing with race in the US. Yes, racism is global, however, in the USA you also have the fear of dying for being Black. This is one of the reasons why I am leaving.

[@ilovemytribe]

What countries are you interested in. I'm AA and looking into Mexico

[@Beachgirl1]

Wrong. In the US, Whites are being brutally persecuted and “White Genocide” is being taught in the far left, black controlled schools and the media. In the US, Whites are treated as subhuman. You are brainwashed.

[@merrytunes8697]

I have been debating this as well. I feel shackled and I don’t like being a perpetual target. In the US, I can’t escape being othered as a Black woman.

[@TheOddIdea-bo5hc]

I agree that re-entering the US has often been unpleasant, being treated with suspicion. I re-entered in early 2024 and got a "welcome home" from the border agent. I was really surprised. It was at night with nobody around (didn't check a bag) and by far the easiest re-entry I've made.

[@isa-manuelaalbrecht2951]

Yesssyesss yesss she was living some kms 'appart from me in Küsnacht nearby Zürich...loved her music 😊

[@rivenoak]

_durch diese hohle Gasse muss er kommen; es führt kein anderer Weg nach Küssnacht_ :D

[@jamesdean1143]

My understanding is that she was renting her mansion first, and then bought it once she got citizenship.

[@elsa_nyc]

I am in the process of moving to Europe. And it's got nothing to do with the taxes. I live in New York and pay an obscene amount of taxes but I would even pay more to be in a much better country.

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[@bibibachmd9995]

Good you are leaving that doomed city like so many others. The US is doomed.

[@elsa_nyc]

@@bibibachmd9995 nyc is great, but US is a garbage dump.

[@jacla666]

@@bibibachmd9995 I disagree.

[@GUITARTIME2024]

I lived there 7 yrs. What country are you going to.

[@SenorJuan2023]

She's SO adorable.

[@krisb-travel]

The good thing with the US is that tourists can enter for 6 months at a time. So if you’re rich there’s really no need to be a US citizen.

[@JanPBtest]

It's not _paying_ taxes, it's mostly the overreach of the current (esp. after Obama) US tax law which creates certain consequences affecting relatives who don't even go to the US at all. Terry Gilliam in a video on YT explained once why he renounced US citizenship: his lawyer looked at the new tax regulations and told him that if a car runs him over in the streets of London (say), his survivors might not be able to keep their English house. This was the straw that broke the camel's back. There are many similar stories, Wall Street Journal had a series of articles about it several years ago.

[@LostintheUS-2030]

Tina left the US for good in 93 (at the age of 54-55). She made the right decision. Beautiful and classy lady (RIH)❤⚘️ I currently follow 2 KZbinrs who live in Switzerland. One is from India, and one is from the US. Both broke down their monthly expenses and the pathway to permanent residency (the US KZbinr) and citizenship (the Indian KZbinr). Both also made it clear about language proficiency. You will need B1 levels of German, French or Italian. Depending on which canton you choose. 🇨🇭❤👍🏽

[@ElliottJMiller]

I would too. This 35% tax is trash. I’m so ready to leave.

[@mamaitaliano9774]

It's actually higher tax bracket than that, as if you look at everything they taxe us for in our life. Were more than 50% taxed.

[@samchs222]

Scandinavian countries pay less than that for most middle class and they get good social benefits

[@vej48]

In other interviews she shared about leaving the US because of the racism.

[@merrytunes8697]

Yes, that is purposefully not being highlighted.

[@leemartinez2975]

I can relate to Andrew on the point he makes about going back to the US. When crossing into Texas the CBP officers do not tell me welcome home, only one time has a CBP officer welcomed me back home. Some of the CBP officers are nice enough, some times I get one that is just plain rude insisting on speaking in Spanish to me. I have a Global Entry card; I was born in Texas and they insist on speaking to me in a foreign language. The Mexican border cops in general are more courteous to me when I cross back to Mexico. The US simply is not structured to be courteous to its citizens, especially to its citizens that are not white. What is ironic is that the majority of the CBP officers that are courteous are either black or white, most of the rude ones that are rude to Hispanic Americans are fellow Hispanic Americans. Go where you are treated best.

[@tsuisunyu]

why is my friends from china all still wanted to come to america so bad? I try to tell them no, they won't believe me

[@kingnick6260]

Are they coming to work for big tech? The pay for that field is astronomically higher in the US than EU / Asia, and can always take your capital back to your homeland like many of my Asian international friends from university several years ago. Also I’m generalizing hard I know 😅

[@d3r3kyasmar]

Because America is better than China.

[@muffintopz4692]

Welcome home. So sweet. I almost feel teary hearing you say that. I can imagine what that felt like. 🏠 ❤

[@alundavies1016]

I live in the UK, I am British, born British. If I looked around and found a country that I wanted to live in more then I would move. It’s not that hard.

[@globalgogetter4469]

All of these idiots in the comment section thinking she moved simply for love. She was a very intelligent and savvy woman who had amassed a fortune.

[@KappaMan69]

This is one of your better videos

[@johngillatt2740]

If you are a USA citizen and want to open a bank account in Switzerland, good luck.

[@8d4o0c4]

I am a US citizen in Switzerland. The only banking options we could find were a Post-Konto or UBS. Everybody else was like "Nooope."

[@kingmaafa120]

$$$$ 👍

[@adrian-4767]

@@8d4o0c4 why they don't let you open a bank account being a US citizen?

[@heinzkoenig8831]

​@@adrian-4767 Because it is too dangerous and too much administration for the Swiss bank. The US has too often blackmailed Swiss banks and put hefty fines on them. All people from other countries can have a Swiss bank account.

[@adrian-4767]

@@heinzkoenig8831 so what if you give up your US citizenship? then you can open a Swiss bank account...

[@rahuliyer7456]

Andrew Look into the life of Bollywood Actor and heartthrob Akshay Kumar. He is/was one of the most bankable actors in India for his time. He is not without controversy though. He has been retired/semi-retired for a number of years. Early on in his career in India, he was struggling, not getting the opportunities he wanted. He left India for Canada. He immigrated. He was helped by his relatives in Canada. He tried a few different kinds of careers in India. Eventually he found luck in India and moved back to India for an acting career in Bollywood. While in Canada, he naturalized and became a Canadian citizen. This meant he had to legally renounce his India citizenship under India law. He did that and got what we term as an OCI (some call it an Overseas Citizenship of India; others call it a visa akin to India's "Green Card"). It is a visa that many in the India diaspora hold. It is a "grey area", as Indian law explicitly forbids dual citizenship. The India government classifies it as a visa. When Akshay Kumar returned to India and Bollywood for his acting career, he didn't bother to re-acquire his India citizenship. This did cause some controversy in the general public. Akshay Kumar did eventually re-acquire his India citizenship and give up his Canadian citizenship. What this shows is that people can, and do, change citizenships. They make choices, and they give or acquire citizenships based upon their own personal situations and choices.

[@kittykatz4001]

This is very interesting! Ty for sharing!

[@Ms.Robinson__]

Just moved and I don't miss the US as a home at all.

[@NEBarcino]

I feel the same. Left the U.S. nearly 10 years ago and don't miss it one bit. Best of luck to you in your new happy place! 😊

[@Just4Kixs]

She is a role model

[@PunchitUnboxed]

Switzerland is always the best backup! 🤩🇨🇭🍀

[@DRventura333]

Let's sum it ; like many other singers/actors of color, she was the top African American female singer in the US but in America, her own birth country, she was Still discriminated in Hotels, in business, in recognition. Of course she would move to where she was Appreciated. She also did not want to be beholding to America (tax wise) when she was not benefiting. To each their own.

[@simon77047]

I was welcomed home after working in Seoul, S. Korea for two years. I returned to the US in 2003 between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

[@TheeHoneyBadger7093]

But did yall catch Tina say...who😮😂 her move abroad worked out in her favor....

[@Daniel23544]

Larry King: "He's nothing like Ike?" Tina: "Who???" 🤔🤨🤣🤣🤣

[@SALFXEF]

I am in the process of getting Italian citizenship I have collected all my documents except for a few that I need from Sicily. I am also applying from Mexican residency. I am almost retired And I'm not wealthy. I am planning on going to Italy in the fall to apply there. I am considering renouncing if it makes the best sense

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@@nomadcapitalist thank you. I'm pretty sure I can't afford Your services. But follow along for good advice. I meet the financial solvency requirements for the Mexican residency. I am eligible for Italian citizenship through my mother and grandfather. May have a small hurdle with the new minor issue.

[@chiarac3833]

I'm a dual US - Italian citizen. Worth every penny and bit of effort.

[@TheSavateur]

America is NOT the greatest country.. The reasons for that title don’t exist.. The states are definitely not “United” I spent 10 years in Europe. Hadn’t been for family I would return.

[@Eduard.Popa.]

USA tax their citizens even if they live abroad.

[@thenaughtyamericanexpat]

Yeah, tell me 'bout it. However, I'll never give up my US citizenship. The most I'll do is get dual citizenship in another country.

[@adrian-4767]

@@thenaughtyamericanexpat why you don't want to give up US citizenship?

[@Temboz]

Fatca is stupid and needs to be abolished.

[@tressiesmuse1030]

Deep Commentary 🎉Thank You 😊❤

[@stickolascage2936]

Hell yeah man bro I been following you for years since no subscribers keep killing it my brother 💪🏾

[@azdbuk]

This is uncanny........last night I watched "1971" music doc on Apple. I googled Tina Turner and wondered about her citizenship journey. And today NC explains.......wild. Gorgeous talent...RIP.

[@charlottepeukert9095]

She found love and a new country, because both suited her and her personality better than the place, she was born.We not only choose where we go, by changing our surroundings, partners and friends, we change who we are. Company matters (more than money and wealth).

[@bw2442]

If the USA is the freest nation in the world then her people should be the happiest in the world and have the best systems and lowest taxes in the world. If people move out and renounce the USA this should make other Americans curious not angry. Where does this anger come from?

[@tonyjones1560]

If you’re conditioned to believe that you’re living in the best place EVER, it sets off major cognitive dissonance to hear someone say otherwise, let alone act on it. IMO the cognitive stuff happens because, speaking as a US citizen, we know this place isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. So that…trouble maker…becomes a lunatic, or a sellout, or a coward or whatever. “It’s not any better anywhere else,” often said by someone who’s never BEEN anywhere else…IJS

[@FladTom]

Love your videos :)

[@nomadcapitalist]

😊

[@stevenjansen1183]

What's love got to do with it? 😛

[@71kimg]

Regarding taxes - in Swiss 🇨🇭 - rich and famous could get their own private tax rate - possibly because each canton are very independent. My Swiss colleagues called it the Tina turner rule.

[@pauls3075]

Andrew: Move for Taxes, Love, career, lifestyle! Tina: Whats love got to do with it.

[@lovey980]

I’m too indecisive to ever give up my citizenship. Even though the US isn’t my dream destination to live(at the moment), I think about how we have such variety in geography and weather… Hawaii, Alaska, Wyoming, Florida, Maine. Endless possibilities. Our politics are warped though.

[@a.tevetoglu3366]

Tina Turner had incredible success in Europe, she found a new life.

[@oh_rhythm]

I love that Tina is genuinely intelligent.

[@JanLion-zb1bd]

I was born and raised in Holland and really loved my country. But now I have lived in the Philippines for a few years because I needed care which I could not find in Holland and did find here. I will never go back. Have no home there anymore.

[@paul-emilecorbeil931]

It could be that, for Tina Turner, Zurich may offer much more convenient plane/train connexions while in Switzerland.

[@JustMe-s6s4m]

Real reasons for giving up US citizenship if you live abroad: 1) Politics. If you have lived in country X for 20 years, their politics interest you more than who the governor is in a state you are no longer connected to. Typically, non-residents can't vote in the local politics which includes local social systems and taxation, etc. 2) US tax law. The US forces their citizens overseas to FILE US taxes, even though in many cases there will be NO TAX DUE. It's double the paperwork and for what? 3) US laws on bank accounts. If you live overseas, you will need an overseas bank account. BUT, the US is so afraid you might make a buck in interest and not report it that there are HUGE amounts of paperwork they force the BANK to do for all accounts for US citizens. (See 2 above, no tax due, just lots of paperwork for nothing!) The local banks don't want to do all that work unless you are a million dollar customer so, believe it or not, they will forcibly close accounts of Americans so they won't have to abide by the US laws. If they have US citizen accounts and don't abide by the US law, the US will ban them from doing business in the US, for example Wall Street! 4) Convenience. Most countries have local ID laws. Many will not issue ID to non-citizens so the US citizen has to carry a passport with them 24/7/365! Get a local ID card and it's as easy as carrying your drivers license in the US. 5) Like it or not, many US citizens living abroad are embarassed by US Presidents likw Bush Jr or Trump and choose to disassociate themselves with the US because of it. Like it or not, both embarassed the entire nation as seen from outside. This is not even a Republican or Democrat issue. Both Kennedy and Reagan were well liked internationally.

[@markrobby7136]

It's funny that most German celebs live in the US to avoid taxes in Germany, and Tina left the US for the same reason

[@TheGovernor-vw9cf]

German celebs do I don’t know any Germans that do

[@gagoomt4076]

Who David Hasselhoff? 😂😂😂😂

[@inCARSONate]

Excellent video! Thank you

[@nomadcapitalist]

Glad you liked it!

[@SamMcKinley]

Great topic!! I think about her when I watch your show

[@justinun01]

Last time I entered the US the immigration officer said welcome home. Even though I was born in Australia and have spent my entire life outside the US my entire life. Haven’t renounced for personal reasons but might do so eventually.

[@marcom7873]

All US people would like to live in Switzerland 🙏🏻🇨🇭🇺🇸

[@elsa_nyc]

I would give up my US citizenship for Switzerland in a heartbeat, if not faster.

[@Xenthoid]

​@@elsa_nyc cosign

[@LostintheUS-2030]

​@@elsa_nyc I would too. However, I'll settle for a French OST. They are a part of France but are not 100% operated like Metropolitan France. France OST are like Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is a US Territory. However, Puerto Rico isn't operated 100% like the US.

[@GGTanguera]

The most boring country to visit 😅

[@elsa_nyc]

@@GGTanguera i will take boring over violent crime ring any day of the week.

[@onnasun8122]

Tina was a beautiful smart talented human being.

[@PR-Jae]

I’ve been told welcome home arriving to the USA. Many times

[@BlackManMeetsWorld]

She was a visionary. She knew these days would be here a LONG TIME AGO!

[@LQVendorFP]

Tina Turner negotiated a reduction in her local portion of her taxes with the town of Kusnacht.

[@MyCamilla1989]

Paying tax is not the problem. But your tax money being spent on endless wars instead of healthcare, education and infrastructure is a major problem.

[@ricardorodriguesrr18]

Wrong tax paying is wrong regardless! Taxation is theft enough said!

[@santsuma]

@ 7:23 Andrew talks about Tennessee and Switzerland. I could say both places belong to the same line segment, that goes from T to Z, Tennessee is the T point, and Z is for Zurich on the other extreme : T has most of its population fat and/or obese, and Z population is mostly healthy and fit. T belongs to a country with a 30 + TRILLION debt, Z is in a country with no debt. T's teenagers hardly know the times table, Z is in a country on thee top 10 PISA scores. T is in a warmongering country, Z is in a country that hasn't been part of wars for many centuries . T has LOTS of poverty and homeless, Z has none of it. T is part of a country that steals money from all over the world, Z makes lots of money through banking money from all over the world. T had black African slaves for centuries, Z has never exploited human beings as slaves. Oops, I could go on for 30 min. more, but I gotta take care of my veggie garden.

[@TheRubberKitty]

I listen to you guys even though I am not in your 'range' of customers and it has motivated me to do what I have always wanted and have property overseas. I had 'forgotten' that I liked doing this sort of stuff. :)

[@wuddayameen]

Everyday scenario for Americans living abroad who have never set foot in the USA... Annoying paperwork for a country they have no allegiance...

[@longlostkryptonian5797]

I believe the mindset is imprinted at birth in the US with your assigned SS# in most cases. Some people will only ever see themselves the way the USG does, as that number. Becoming/evolving into someone else and living somewhere else seems unrealistic to them.

[@kingmaafa120]

Yep

[@VeganTrove]

All good points 🥰 smart woman

[@brittenyevans1101]

Actually a lot of people did know, that she left the states . She found true love, and why not.

[@philbuarque]

I'm south American born and us citizen. Soon European citizen too. Love is NOT in America, for sure

[@ilovemytribe]

Can you explain further what you mean by, "love is not in America?"

[@jubernardi23]

I’m luso-Brazilian South America and I studied and live in London for a while and I know many countries in Europe ,I really love there but my love is not there, is here in Brasil, in Rio🥰

[@bud5084]

She was a top notch act, always loved her music

[@westvilleforum]

You say some of the wisest things my good Sir

[@potts995]

The cost of US citizenship is expensive in so many ways, not just financially

[@zeytelaloi]

Great video Andrew

[@chasingtheAmericanDream]

Which country told you welcome home?

[@debraemilligan]

Columbia...he has a passport and home there

[@adrian-4767]

@@debraemilligan it's "Colombia" beautiful lady, Columbia is in Canada

[@Nessa2Bea]

The “who?” was so natural and automatic😂🤌

[@benyang2427]

Def some great cities in the US but majority are meh. Lifestyle in Europe however is on a completely different level.

[@chesterburnett3]

Encouraged me to start looking into other countries a number of years ago.

[@WineSippingCowboy]

RIP Tina Turner. Marcia Hines moved to Australia 🇦🇺. Belinda Carlisle lived in France 🇫🇷. She moved to Thailand 🇹🇭. As for me, I find better love in Eastern nations such as The Philippines 🇵🇭 than here in the USA 🇺🇸 and other Western nations.

[@pedrorenatodepaula233]

Switzerland is a paradise on earth!!

[@driatrogenesis]

you mean parasite

[@Willdh1987]

@@driatrogenesisCould you elaborate on your personal sentiment regarding Switzerland or are you being antagonistic over a banal comment?

[@driatrogenesis]

@@Willdh1987 Sure, why not. Switzerland is home to many globalist operstions which are actively destroying soverign nations, while they hide behind neutrality. Swiss is home to the WEF, the WHO, the BIS, and several other globalist organziations, such as GAVI. Switzerland is not thenonpy culprit, its just like a HQ for international elite, The worlds richest people who are active in these groups also store their wealth there so they can again hide behind Neutrality status, They also finance terrorism, and were known to finance Hitler. I could go on for hrs...Bottom line is that its the home base of the international cult destroying this planet

[@driatrogenesis]

@@Willdh1987 The founding of the embryonic Switzerland conforms exactly to the period when the Templars were being persecuted in France. Switzerland is just to the east of France and would have been particularly easy for fleeing Templar brothers from the whole region of France to get to

[@driatrogenesis]

@@Willdh1987 International monetary cooperation started to develop tentatively in the course of the 19th century. An early case was a £400,000 loan in gold coins from the Bank of France to the Bank of England which was facing a bank run, made in 1825 and facilitated by the Rothschilds