why TSM ImperialHal & the boys might have to DROP Valkyrie on WE after getting 12th in ALGS!

[@1vEverybody]

8:30 Dezign hit himself with his own nade for 80 and still tried to blame enemy 😂

[@Sandman.886]

and missed all the shots

[@matthewfairchild3846]

Dude is a clown

[@kingbubby7501]

The “yeah” from Evan when Hal said “we play like pussies “ was so fucking funny 😂

[@isaisaldana2191]

Hal: "Can we swing?!" *Hal swings mid sentence* 😐

[@egirlcafemanager7119]

Bruh how many times hal literally jumps into trouble for being way too hasty as bloodhound

[@liandopus9922]

Agree. I still think sometimes it's not because the valk comp, but also because hal being to aggressive on bloodhound

[@hakunamatata0503]

Hal became snipedown when he was using bloodhound😂

[@Jessy-Blaze]

I think they might go back to playing Bangalore

[@vonatra1418]

Hal need to learn from Gen on Bloodhound

[@daudmaruli8721]

the situation that make hal sometime jump into trouble bc he must fast think and quick make respond of they situation of close combat so its not like hal all problem its just unlucky for him

[@nxxs3929]

thats some giga brain play from keon flying away from all of the caustic gasses

[@Raymorton-y5u]

Still can't buy the fact that they are not playing wattson yet.. Counters caustic and bang perfectly plus reps is a great wattson... They should try it imo

[@willheath407]

Actually a good take

[@leroiken9856]

What utility does Watson provide when they are running along the edge of the ring bro? She's not like catalyst and her wall

[@FRDOMFGTHR]

Too easy to destroy the gen and thats the only positive aspect about her

[@Raymorton-y5u]

@@leroiken9856 There are 2 more legends in the team they can choose bro, caustic also barely profides anything when rotating.. The thing TSM is currently struggling with is the current meta, which partially wattson counters and stabalizing after rotation which wattson can also help with. It should be helpful for them to try in scrims for sure because i'm sure reps would be more comfortable with wattson than caustic.

[@Raymorton-y5u]

@@FRDOMFGTHR yeah shield re-gen and carying 2 ultics are useless in comp ;).

[@mahoganywood6468]

Too bad Keon didn't stream, I want to see him jetpacking on top of TSM in game 2. That was big brain play.

[@ahhhabee]

hal is just not ideal on blood or valk, and of those two, valk is definitely the least necessary. im curious to see how they fill out the team. if i had to guess, conduit, bang, and maybe like maggie would be my guesses

[@eyelesscrow69]

he's done good on blood but valk just isn't necessary on worlds edge

[@shaunmiller442]

I bet they will do Bang, Blood, Caustic. Honestly Hal isn’t good in this meta because Skirmishers aren’t the meta.

[@ahhhabee]

@@eyelesscrow69 he's done fine, but I think you would rather have Evan on valk or blood, and I think there are other characters that Hal would be a lot better on

[@ahhhabee]

@@shaunmiller442 yeah, it's pretty rough. horizon and wraith are the only other skirmishers that are okay, but they are definitely more niche rn

[@bleach7958]

@@ahhhabeeI think they should honestly consider putting Hal back on horizon or even bang to allow Evan on blood. Hal can adjust and become a better blood but it’s going to kill the moral of the boys. They’re bound to keep performing sub par to their standards if they continue with their valk comp

[@Zediaphh]

Screaming “one shot on me” because you’re embarrassed you got shit on is crazy at this level lol bro was 100hp

[@amaim23]

lol are you coping and is that what you do in a fight? You get embarrassed so you lie? 😂

[@IEscI]

you think he said that cause he was embarrassed?

[@ReneGarcia-iv6ws]

@@amaim23 or and hear me out on this idk maybe he said that as a comment he felt about something that happened in the video. Its a comment section you know

[@pedrohulk6928]

Hal is Trolling so hard 😂

[@jordanbanks118]

I think they should keep storm point the same and worlds edge you put reps on caustic, hal on bang, and evan on blood. Hal on bang still allows him to control the pace and puts evan as the entry fragger; reps can play anker. Also they could push and hold most positions.

[@marcushynek7075]

Valk seems to be a fine pick now, it just the team aspects really seem to be lacking I don’t know if it’s the number of adjustments that they had to make, but Hal doesn’t seem to be himself and his team

[@lucks8550]

Why you end the video right there, I really wanted too hear them talk about it towards the end

[@juniorclos1007]

they dont say much after that. they end stream to talk within themselves

[@Spectrasweapon1]

I mean right after this Jordan told Philip to end his stream since they wanted to continue discuss the matter since Hal got pretty heated.

[@komalthecoolk]

If you watch Gnaske's stream, he had a call with a few guys and they all put ideas in Hal's head that this comp is not right and now Hals' triggered.

[@leroiken9856]

​@@Spectrasweapon1who is Phillip bruh 💀

[@Spectrasweapon1]

@@leroiken9856 Hal

[@DJKjr2911]

Can someone explain to me what is the wrong with horizon? What’s the difference between last season and this one, especially with the perks?

[@K1NGCoNNoLLy]

I think there's just a lot better upgrades with different legends and horizons arent as great as theirs.. and teams playing same legends to counter eachother. that's my guess

[@FRDOMFGTHR]

Nothing they just have to please the Devs by playing other characters i wouldnt doubt EA is forcing a meta switch because of the lost viewership

[@DJKjr2911]

@@K1NGCoNNoLLy gotcha. Well that makes sense. she still offers something other legends don’t and I feel like they always come back to horizon, especially Hal lol

[@DJKjr2911]

@@FRDOMFGTHR could be for sure.

[@uncagedmnc956]

Mostly because she got nerfed and she didn’t get good perks but I’m glad she’s out of meta. One of the most crutch legends

[@Panosthehatciman]

is only me that thinks Fuse on Reps is a must?!

[@ryenis]

I thinks this calls for gibby's comeback

[@LennyLeLenny]

the BRUDDAH

[@dickysangadji1826]

are they guarante qualify to LAN?

[@lucy5264]

No, this is the beginning of year 4 everyone has to "win" the spot at lan

[@masongrant9140]

At this point they are basically guaranteed if they dont troll

[@uncagedmnc956]

Depends on how today goes and regionals but they’re still top 5 right now overall. After today we’ll see if they drop but Ik they’ll lock it in.

[@eninsh]

Get on wraith. Bloodhound swings ain't working out hahahah

[@scottmatthews6889]

They are trying to be a zone team, but they take so long, grabbing evos that they don't get good zone positions. So they consistently get caught in this awkward position where they are in-between edge teams and zone teams.. They either need to huht teams on the edge or be quicker on zone rotates.

[@Scott74921]

Design hit himself with the Arc Star is such a rookie mistake man

[@Gaming444fun99]

Would love to see Evan run rev

[@fragr33f74]

TSM has always struggled with Valk, so much so that it's basically a meme at this point, so it makes total sense for them to ditch her. Makes even more sense when you consider how good TSM is as a fighting team.

[@hhhgh5641]

they should have realised by now that bang is more important than valk. Its very clear. The two teams that are decimating the na lobbies are tbe ones using blood bang and caustic. DZ didn't even bother tyring out valk cause they just know shes not the play

[@BOKBrand]

Horizon getting nerfed was the worst thing to ever happen to TSM.

[@SwaaaggyB]

I haven’t played season 19-20. What did they nerf about her?

[@saucykb4758]

She’s still good

[@pitterz8]

She wasnt nerf, she just doesnt have good perks as others

[@FRDOMFGTHR]

@@SwaaaggyBnothing since the last nerfs but the air movemwnt soeed really killed her and her perks are just ass

[@gpauldejesus]

do not understand them going back to valkyrie at all, these reactionary comps every time the meta changes rarely ever work for them and i really hope they’re not relying on these late comebacks or final game clutches to qualify bc thats not sustainable even for a team as good as theirs

[@EmperorAlles]

idk why they or raven forced this valk meta

[@ricardo.b8280]

If I remeber properly (maybe Im wrong) i think Hal or Racen said valk was viable bc the nerfed charge rifle and valk perk of a higher ult, again I could be wrong

[@bleach7958]

@@ricardo.b8280the thing I’m confused about is that their main problem wasn’t really getting the valk ult off. It’s the landings after. They always land on some other team and either get stomped or thirded. If they don’t land on anybody, the spot is usually not the greatest to play off of. Of course there’s exception but this seems to be what happens most of the time

[@caivibe2575]

If they had more time Hal back on MnK for AR and current legend meta would be ideal. Reps on caustic, Hal on MnK bang and verhulst on blood. I personally think today Hal put too much pressure on himself to play perfectly. TSm’s best match was them getting uncomfortable in game 5 and reacting to what was in front of them which I feel like they have been avoiding playing like that.

[@uncagedmnc956]

Hal is better on controller. He’s not going back unless AA gets nerfed and he knows that. Way better mnk players than him by far

[@caivibe2575]

@@uncagedmnc956 maybe, but he’s been pretty mid since the smg nerf… in a way it has lead to a controller input nerf (imo). Something also feels off with 4-3 linear but I haven’t put my finger on it yet. I agree tho he is behind a bit on MnK rn but as I said if he had more time his game would be way better for this current meta.

[@BrandonStrugy]

I absolutely love the s20 changes but I DO HATE the fact that Bloodhound & Caustic are back in meta. I can't stand scan/pud gas meta.

[@ucheozor7871]

Design rage in this video does have some probable cause. They dropped so early and spread for what

[@komalthecoolk]

11:19 truth has never been spoken more truthfully.

[@ElTerrorizta]

This is the most competitive pro leagues have been its understandable

[@vzGeorge]

This team will do so much better if they play Hal on horizon imo

[@mellyrae1562]

No point going valk at all

[@ucheozor7871]

I don’t think Hal being on bloodhound is still an issue. I think everyone is overlooking that other teams can just be having better games. There’s always a loser even if 2 teams are perfect

[@timothymoore2966]

Tsm main issue is if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Be your best screw the meta

[@SocioPath47]

I think hal is used to the aggressive meta and get out of jail card with horizon 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@gokuljosh1186]

Tsm really needs to change comps, hal cant play blood effectively, either they need to switch comps altogether or have a conduit or new castle support hal.

[@alicezubergh8494]

Hal should play wraith, it fits his playstyle more being the one to find space and rotate and he gets a get out of jail free card with wraith q like horizon. Putting Hal on blood is bad since he should not be the one starting fights but looking for potential thirds and safe spots.

[@ahhhabee]

wraith is a great pick for hal, but idk if shes really worth it considering her relative lack of team fight capabilities. they rely so much on zone play that im not sure

[@humansnotbots-y8l]

@@ahhhabeemaybe dsg will be able to show something with wraith soon, hope so because this meta is super restricted rn

[@ahhhabee]

@@humansnotbots-y8l I am skeptical, but really excited about dsg going wraith. I think they would utilize her util a lot better playing hard edge, so I'm hoping for the best!

[@ahhhabee]

@@humansnotbots-y8l like, I don't think wraith is unplayable in the meta or anything, but she is niche for a reason. she objectively doesn't have the same team fight capabilities as bang, blood, caustic, valk, etc, so you gotta be picking her up for a really good reason

[@Destruction52]

@@ahhhabee mmmm valk isn't giving them any edge on 3v3, worlds edge right now is bad for tsm and that map has been the more consistent for them

[@komalthecoolk]

Why does everyone say "fucking god"? Why angry on god?

[@EliHank]

It's commonplace to use the Lord's name in vain sadly.

[@Ethereal184]

Hal needs to play so much more patiently and slower cuz of meta changes. He needs to control the situation by having scans with bloodhound, not push. He also needs realize just how much more close together people are playing now with scans and smokes. Horizon isn’t bad because she’s a bad legend, horizon is bad because of the meta. You simply can’t push on your own anymore, only peak

[@spaczysttv6886]

honestly hal should just go bk to wraith shit dsg is doing and designful doesn't know a good portal to save his life so honestly tht would put hal in a good situation and pur vehulust on blood

[@ioriTenjin]

For sure hal will be back in horizon

[@ahvyondrake4271]

Can we fucking get Hal off of blood please I love him but nah the character is too fast for him with no get out tact. 7:32 u see how far he slid out mid call out and no one was with him he literally could’ve sold the game right there. Hal needs horizon and Valk ain’t the move play bang

[@get_revenge1993]

Foreal tho why can’t they just play bang , kinda weird sounds like an ez fix

[@HermydesTv]

Hal is horrible on bloodhound

[@MAlru005]

Hal needs to play horizon. He literally can’t play any other character except maybe wraith but she’s not that good rn

[@matthewscanlan2874]

Meta for 20 is funnnnnn

[@jyuret370]

Let’s talk about the historically cringe teq and the meat tuggers. Guy is literally obsessed with Hal and Tsm. The last game was particularly bad from Tsm. You just can’t get wiped on that push. You have the high ground. Teq is definitely in Hal’s head compounding the lack of confidence they have on WE rn. But like I’ve said many times before, nobody makes adjustments better than Tsm. Let’s go.

[@Manny_126]

Valkyrie’s such a troll pick

[@isolitic5159]

For their comp it is but if they run crypto wattson valk then not really a troll pick

[@ahhhabee]

​@@isolitic5159 i just dont think tsm would be a very good crypto team. they are too aggro to give up blood and caustic

[@bleach7958]

@@ahhhabeeagreed, although they’ve been playing really passive lately. They seem to always have no loot due to lack of fights towards the end but this might just be their moral being down

[@hakeemsesay15]

This meta-brought back TSM‘s worst play style

[@rejwanhasan7919]

and they will rise again time to time

[@Destruction52]

valk ults ptsd

[@conormcqregor4393]

Without a full stack team Hal is not good

[@alexanderschulze7767]

so why drop valk?

[@konosuba350]

Valk is not the play for tsm

[@triple6keyz497]

wtf is Hal doing, bros too overzealous when he’s swinging, Reps and Evan are playing perfectly.

[@blakebrian4021]

Just play fking caustic bang blood

[@Spectrasweapon1]

I mean, meta is good but its not suited for TSM. Valk should have not been a thing already two-three scrim blocks ago. Right when they put Hal on Valk, they should had considered swapping Valk out entirely and just play Bang. Also why this Meta is bad for TSM isnt only whats good when it comes to legend picks. It has also to do how they want to play their game. TSM has always been the best when it comes to their "Zone" play and since they swapped to playing Edge on SP, I feel it kinda has interrupted their mindset of playstyle on WE aswell. Playing edge on SP comes with being a very aggressive team, SPECIALLY in this new meta. TSM arent there yet. This is why the meta is really good for DZ due to how they play their game (aggro).

[@roninae.8762]

"I'M BREAKING THIS BARREL" be so fr rn, what is the point of that callout

[@NguyenHai-ek7oj]

prolly so they dont all turn around and get swung by the team inside

[@humansnotbots-y8l]

Lol probably not much use realistically but a lot of teams are in the habit of small talk during games, basically comming everything to keep up the flow of communication

[@drpanduh_7901]

It let’s his teammates know they don’t have to be the one to break it , and can look for a swing also that the gas won’t be there for long continuing to spew gas, also lets his teammates know what he is doing so they don’t think he is watching over them and over extended thinking someone is watching them

[@toneplays_]

Didn’t watch the game but they also could be playing around the barrel not wanting a team to know they are there and now they can play that little pocket behind the pipe where the barrel was

[@egirlcafemanager7119]

So they know it’s not an actual enemy and turn their backs?

[@justincha4973]

Damn,hal does feedface when playing blood😅😂

[@jaydude272]

I went to ravens twitch chat the other day and told him that valk needs to go and just play horizon. Looks like I’m going to be right

[@calcifiedbonecollector3222]

You are so great! You must be proud of yourself! Absolute winner😂😂😂😂

[@fenrirx481]

F*** the meta , just go back to Horizon .

[@FreeReiko]

Hal needs to swap to Wraith, trust me, TSM will go crazy. Verhaulst on BH and Rep on Bang. Game over.

[@calcifiedbonecollector3222]

Who are you? Why trust you?😂

[@slayz1515]

Valk is fkn useless compared to bang