the TSM boys with an UNEXPECTED 16th place after getting GRIEFED by Teq & Valk Ults in ALGS Scrims!

[@viiali]

The days of valk ulting into death are back on the menu boys 🔥🔥🔥

[@iiiuuj]

yerrrrrrrrrrrr called it soon as i seen them talkin bout her

[@rlaouse]

they ran it back to 2023 algs or 2022, I forgot

[@bleach7958]

Teq must be doing this with a smile on his face the whole time 😂😂

[@symbolhunterz8093]

Until he gets last in pro league and wonders why

[@iiiuuj]

he said teq believes the car is the reason hes 23rd in pro league 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 im fucking dead

[@augusto_mm]

the yearly plot of the boys having a hard time adapting to the new meta has began Soon they are going to be winning algs finals again

[@Levy9_AriharaNanami]

I think that because horizon had been meta for like over a year so now Hal just over one-trick on horizon (Horizon had been meta since that furia got 2nd place in 2022 champs until season 20) After meta changing, he need some times to find out what legend in meta that fits his playing style Still, TSM can finished in top place sometimes just because their macro are way better than most of the other teams, but their team fighting are not as strong as before

[@dariyenjones8909]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 mate Horizon was meta before seer was played by everyone you don’t actually have a clue what you’re on about

[@thoriqikhsanabdillahsyarif7029]

ALGS year 2 always caustic - gibby - Valk After furia SEER the meta change like horizon - valk - seer after catalyst release replace the valk in that time controller dominating the ALGS then Bangalore come in to counter that

[@leecook6267]

True dat.

[@TuffSZN]

@@dariyenjones8909huh? No clue? You can watch back 2022 finals and see the pick rate. Horizon had 1-digit percentage pick rate.

[@Levy9_AriharaNanami]

@@dariyenjones8909 u can watch through algs 2023, the time that TSM doing well is always when hal was on horizon, and the time TSM doing bad (2023 split2 week 1 they got #18 I remembered) is when hal not on horizon I've to say, Hal's horizon is way more better than other horizon pro players. In the other hand, his play on other legends now are not as strong as his horizon and way more worse to be honest If u watch the team fight of TSM between the time when he is on horizon and when he is not u'll find out what I'm talking about Now TSM still can finish in top sometimes is because TSM's macro are still way better than most of other pro teams but the teamfighting of them now are weaker than before However, if hal can find out another meta character suits to him or horizon come back to meta TSM can definitely back to the dominant place I think

[@pedrohulk6928]

Hal is throwing so hard 😂

[@Bagelodon_]

How?

[@aicsynthesizer]

@@Bagelodon_not healing up before valk ulting, telling Evan to take the truck

[@nnoir]

@@aicsynthesizer Like he might as well pop a med same time as Reps 😂😂 whats the logic in not healing? So he doesnt have to? He is just taking damage the whole time then

[@TheBestofJuan]

Not having evan on valk is criminal

[@egirlcafemanager7119]

True but hal was throwing as bloodhound, Evan provides way better support and can stay alive longer. Hal literally ults and tries to fight a whole team by himself as bloodhound

[@uncagedmnc956]

Well when you have Hal the horizon crutch and then when it’s taken away, you get Hal who struggles to play other legends that don’t fit his style.

[@ivanmartinez632]

Hal major horizon crutch and I’m pretty sure he will switch to horizon if they keep playing like shit he’s a 1 trick like he use to call chaotic

[@hunterdavidson2502]

@@uncagedmnc956he’s doesn’t have horizon crutch lmfaooo he’s won lan with wraith lmfaoo

[@orkodork2764]

@@hunterdavidson2502maybe not a crutch but bro is definitely used to playing horizon. He runs in with blood like he has horizon q

[@codythurmond]

The plot armor is thickening. Script writers amazing. Last time we thought TSM might miss LAN.... well the rest is history

[@garrymiller3171]

Hal is crazy to not med kit before valk ulting

[@mynameisstanliandimasinger9622]

yeah like I would assume I die in a rank lobby doing that, while he does it in a lobby full of pros

[@dwabsir747]

@@mynameisstanliandimasinger9622this 🙌🙌🙌

[@xzaz2]

Hal on Mirage confirmed

[@alejandrorodriguez302]

it's pretty obvious Teq and co are not at TSM's level, gameplay wise, but damn are they good at playing mind games and getting Hal tilted asf. Smart strat, cant deny it.

[@wwzzyyy]

Hal: Kill the duo. Verhulst: proceed to 1 vs 3 and insantly die

[@leroiken9856]

This is so funny

[@OrangeSoda1432]

Then they wonder why he goes bat shit lol simple orders, does the opposite

[@eyelesscrow69]

nah ppl saying that evans at fault there are dumb, its the same situation where, hal says i think we should do this at the same time as he is doing it then getting mad cause "no one is listening", he literally apes the duo then says kill the duo while evan is getting jumped by another team.

[@leroiken9856]

@@eyelesscrow69 I hope it works out for tsm. Don't you? Evan is a nice guy I think

[@eyelesscrow69]

@@leroiken9856 itll be fine, this is just hiccups from the new armor system where as, tsm always went to their POI and got purple from the git, plus storm point is the worse map in the game so its obv that they are having problems.

[@LordSlypher]

Teq is a menace with this psychological warfare

[@mrsmog9241]

How many Lan Teq won ?

[@LordSlypher]

Did I mention anything about LAN or winning?? Stop reaching and get off their dicks

[@Taaxmaan]

@@mrsmog9241he said he’s a menace with psychological warfare, not he’s a better player 🤣 u must be on something

[@mrsmog9241]

@@Taaxmaan your boy just failed to qualify for ALGS regional finals getting 23rd 😂😂 nice psychological warfare 😂😂 dude is playing for attention not playing to win

[@zacharylewis417]

This usually happens during scrims but when it actually matters they play better. Scrims are way different anyway. Teams play arguably more aggressive then they would. But Hal needs to figure his shit out. He seems trapped in his old ways with Horizon.

[@Daivd1111]

They are still super scary because you know they can win a game even when they play bad. And you need a winning game to win LAN.

[@remzine9285]

yh man super scary..... lol

[@woamens]

you need to hit match point first lol

[@Phillip-wt4dz]

Not preparing for failure may be a big weakness for them

[@BigSuzpekt]

What do you mean by that? Emotionally or gameplay? I'm just curious. Emotional i agree. When things go wrong, they have issues getting momentum again. Gameplay, i don't agree. You always want to prepare for not failing. If you do, you learn from it and use that to prepare to not fail.

[@Destruction52]

TSM always have struggled when the meta changes are critical. they need time, but they don't have it

[@enyeng0]

@@BigSuzpekt if plan A doesn't work, make sure you have plan B. you prepare for not failing but you also need to know what to do if your plan doesn't work out.

[@TarBuzzerCaesar]

im reading these comments and losing braincells i stg

[@ldkiskool]

Defend TSM with your honor!!!

[@dwabsir747]

Wipe ur lips fan boy

[@dwabsir747]

“Running at u running at u *Hal dies* “wait what”

[@sonnybertrand790]

Im not hating on hal and the boys, but everytime someone argues against Raven he exposes them and then they sit there quiet not saying or owning up to mistakes. For example the last game where playing ceto early was clearly the correct play instead of waiting near or in the tunnel.

[@BigSuzpekt]

It's a tough call though. There were 11 teams left, so realistically all good spots are taken. For the record i agree with you, they should've expected a team to be in tunnel already, so the only option was risking and landing ceto early like Raven said. It was safer to valk ult early when the teams aren't congested into a smaller ring than valk ult late (like they did) with no where to land because it's more congested. The decision itself wasn't a bad call, but they really should've known there would be a team in tunnel based on how many teams were alive.

[@sonnybertrand790]

@@BigSuzpekt yeh thats what i think too. I didnt watch the actual game so I don't know how much time had been before they realised there was a team in the tunnel and when the next ring was able to be seen. Because there were only 10 teams left I think they could've still found a good spot even if they were slightly late.

[@BigSuzpekt]

@@sonnybertrand790 agree. Way better than their late valk ult. Only way that late valk ult would work was if they aimed to land on a fight and third partying it.

[@leecook6267]

Every lose was a result of Hals bad calls. Simple. I'm not a fanny who won't say it.

[@AnthF94]

Everything raven says is on hindsight, remember that

[@DeussEx]

TSM needs a defensive character (Gibby or Caustic) which can help them stabalize after the Valk ult.

[@kfpworker1.15m7]

They are playing caustic and its not working

[@xzaz2]

@@kfpworker1.15m715:38. Yes

[@lordmarkquad4470]

They need to replace caustic for gibby. We all knows you can’t play valk in an algs without a gibby. This video is proof of that, valk and gibby used to be one of the most overplayed metas

[@Slick_Pickle]

Oh no! TSM doesn’t get two full POIs a car and an armory?? Give it back to back to my poor baby Hal before he throws a fit 😭😢😭

[@sebastianrivera-dm2ud]

You talking that slick ish you would get shit on by the worst team lmao you and your 8 subs 😂😂

[@egirlcafemanager7119]

All they need to do is keep Evan as valk and Hal to stop throwing as bloodhound going for the 1v3s, he literally tries to challenge every fight but gets downed immediately and alone

[@uncagedmnc956]

Hal is a two trick pony who relies on legends with a free get out of jail card which is why he played wraith and horizon over the years. Dude can’t adapt like everyone else can.

[@domufflegere]

Hal is so lost the last couple weeks

[@Pootie.Tang7]

I think you’re lost? When one dude isn’t throwing their entire game just to down TSM, they come on top every time… like what?! They were just in Japan a “couple weeks” ago taking 1st. So I think you’re lost, I’m not even that invested into Apex anymore and knew this.

[@2tired2sleep2]

@@Pootie.Tang7quit all that glazing

[@Taaxmaan]

@@2tired2sleep2i swear it’s all the cringe ass 12 year olds who use glazing. could’ve just replied to the original comment with “hater” at that point and it’d still be more emotionally mature than your comment 🤣🤣🤣

[@7Exartive]

What makes the car so important, its worth to risk dying off spawn for? Especially when they have valk

[@newbie7882]

rotation bro.they cannot valk ult every ring to get to the god spot

[@egirlcafemanager7119]

Stormpoint is the biggest map and they use it for rotation and to hit the new evo harvesters

[@juan-on-juan8488]

I can't wait for TSM to chase Teq around on Saturday. Calling it right now its going to happen. TSM would need to finish around 12-14 to secure LAN Split 1.

[@TheOpossum13]

Lowkey Hal should play lifeline

[@selvinfernandez11]

Doesnt suit his playstyle. He needs a movement legends that lets him play his life when he gathers information.

[@7Exartive]

​@@selvinfernandez11pathfander is the way

[@hazziyt9640]

Why would he be lifeline? You need to be up to get revives.. he can’t do that when he usually is first knocked

[@stephankim8086]

​@@hazziyt9640why are you talking

[@societyreborn33]

​@@hazziyt9640sad but true lol

[@SithAssassin]

Hahaha @2:20 bros basically crying he can’t rat anymore and actually has to fight through rotations He says doesn’t need work on comp but putting one of the best Valks on blood because you can’t stop inting n solo pushing is crazy 😂

[@tomppasi_8764]

Stop playing valk i quess

[@Si.Lorenz]

Nah literally , everytime they ult Hal drops them in a suicidal spot and they die

[@cycy-p6s]

Yea they should definitely listen to your advice

[@211Mik3]

facts LMAO@@Si.Lorenz

[@Rexoilggg]

They need better micro but you need valk

[@iitzphoenix]

It’s a throw that even isnt playing Valk

[@ItsIceyyy]

Raven getting exploited for not having a clue

[@civlone]

I have not watched pro league since tsm won year 3, why has the legend meta changed? last i remember cat horizon and bang was their legend combo

[@twocontollersonebrain9071]

Teq takes their car so their forced to use evac or valk Ult to make it into their zone spot with Ult’s but because Teq is taking their car they don’t have enough time to get purples and if they get thirsted with blues and very little batteries they just die for free, it’s pretty smart on other teams parts to grief TSM’s loot rotations because TSM with loot is damn near unbeatable when it comes to playing edge of ring especially with Jordan on caustic

[@tatopolosp]

TSM having the same crisis as Furia last week... Nothing is working

[@whiteboikev]

hal is right tbh the coach is supposed to b helping them. guy seems clueless

[@nicholasspellman8219]

Hal should play Mad Maggie. She checks all the boxes for his role as the igl.

[@bryanalessandro16]

Maybe they should try reps on bloodhound. Having your mnk player in blood ult in smokes seems to be the play. DSG switched dezign on bloodhound to timmy and it worked well for them.

[@redninetailsgamer1511]

when they talked abt switching evan over to hound jordan expressed that he really wanted to play hound but it doesn't "suit their playstyle" I think they should try him on it tho and see what happens

[@GyroO7]

Lowkey bring back Seer Horizon Bang

[@Ninjagc4]

“Control what we can control” honestly well said. Useable for IRL too 🤷‍♂️

[@GovernmentCheese548]

I feel like either getting rid of valk or Hal possible input change so he can play bang all the good igls are great mnk bangs in this meta

[@BigSuzpekt]

I think they just need to not play Valk in my opinion. I thought they dropped valk because they always died once they landed. Nothing has changed really. Only difference you don't have the heat scan charged rifle to kill you mid flight, but landing without information is still the issue.

[@bleach7958]

Don’t think TSM is going to do good until Hal can raise his passion again. The less success they get, the less Hal seems to care and continue to complain rather than improve. Sure they can blame things like rotations or legends or POIs but I think the vibes are just low and it’s affecting all their gameplay. Besides Big E tho dude stays silently beaming

[@rogernkosi8420]

we've heard this before.

[@bleach7958]

@@rogernkosi8420 okay cool, let’s just ignore it then 👍🏼

[@leebrunt146]

Because he a bitch but sick at the game cant deny that

[@hazziyt9640]

You want TSM to do better.. then get rid of HAL or start restricting him from playing valk. Bro argues with his team because of his ego. Tbh just drop him, he’s toxic

[@bleach7958]

@@hazziyt9640 I say we drop the whole TSM roster for an absolute god squad. I’m thinking Albrelelie, Zachary Mazer, and we have a controller play in NickMercs

[@ryenis]

they may need to bring back gibby

[@leecook6267]

Yup

[@Crow_NTRY]

these are my favorites types of videos. It just brings a nice happy smile to my face

[@ericmartin-mann1498]

Just having the option to valk ult seems to be negatively affecting them. Also putting Hal on valk is taking one step sideways and 2 steps backwards.

[@StainedJ]

I have always hated their Valk strat. Go Fuse instead. Turn the game on it's head

[@trentcolwell9376]

Evan is the best valk in the game and you switch him off it and wonder why it didn’t go well

[@zBetrApex]

It didn’t go well even with him on Valkyrie, do your research before spewing ignorant comments

[@ThexXK1NGXx]

oh no the boys worlds edge is looking horrendous

[@callmemat1113]

Them putting Hal on Valk is just asking to lose.

[@Destruction52]

they should drop valk at this point, unless is an early rotate to zone with valk ult + evac/ballon, there is like no point to use her, he can't hold a building, he can provide anything more to the comp than the ult, and most of the time is a ticket to the lobby the way tsm is using her also pro teams are already aware of focusing every valk ult. Its a shame that horizon is down bad this season, but maybe stay with caustic+blood+bang both maps, but it is also true that there is no time to practice anything, they will qualify for play offs but it seems that is a DZ win

[@algnar5786]

Valk gibby bang !!

[@leecook6267]

I agree. If they keep getting in these bad spots that's 💯 a good call.

[@nellygpotr]

Petition for Hal to play Bangalore or wraith🙋🏽‍♂️

[@xcalibur3198]

CEO is losing confidence it feels like

[@Aresapex]

They have to try using caustic for now

[@TJssWay]

I think Raven has the easiest job in Apex. Coaching guys who have already won LAN and known as the best team ever or at least top 2. After every game he’s just like “Guys…why are we not blah blah blah” I’m glad Hal noticed that earlier when he said he’s not really saying a damn thing.

[@buddhastl7120]

💯

[@luckorski1181]

Evan NOT on Valk is blasphemy and a crime

[@frank10pez94]

There’s like no chance Meat make lan so idk why he’s doing this lol

[@neonstrawberry8826]

Valk Ult creates too much uncertainty rotating into zone. It needs to be used earlier to establish in zone positioning before other teams if they are going to use it, thats the advantage that the ult is supposed to provide. Using it to late rotate just results in them getting shot while flying in and then landing on a team with a health disadvantage from flying, it doesnt work. There was also a lot of individual fights and not enough trades occurring in their games from these clips, that needs be improved. Perfect example is that fight where hal pushes the duo end game individually, or evan getting killed off spawn by the car team, its a waste. The most important aspect about BR is staying alive and they are not playing to preserve their lives in game. Theres too many instances atm where they are dying out in the open without cover instead of establishing position, hiding and surviving.

[@MrHayhor]

Hal needs to play Bang and control the smokes and take advantage of double time. Make reps play caustic and let verhulst go back to showing off how to play valk.

[@konosuba350]

Classic Valk ult😂

[@twitch.tvdist0rted_splatt849]

I’m starting to think TSM do this on purpose to make people think they’re playing ass before LAN, it’s always a month or two before LAN we see all thesebad scrims placement and then it comes to LAN and they play well

[@ThunderBlastvideo]

this was a bad day for them

[@pewpewbang9009]

its scrims. now TSM has this exp in the bag and would know what to do next time it happens to them lol

[@KeiK100]

still dont understand why does hal not play bang

[@swankygibbons1186]

They’ll be fine

[@xiverebirth7467]

they will as long as they drop valk, they will keep flying into their deaths

[@imaginativejay5941]

cmon guys this what TSM always does. Plays bad, or mediocre and then all of a sudden Champions / Top 3. you can't trick me no more Hal

[@Changoh16]

Play edge or play zone not both in the same match- no idea what Valk is doing in the lineup. No value out of Caustic and Bang with no one running Digi. If you run bloodhound then play edge only- Hal on Blood, Evan on Path, and Jordan on Con/Lifeline.

[@AbsoluteAtrocity]

Not to worry guys spoiler alert ahead. TSM goes through this every time there's a meta shift. They will swiftly be in 17th place all day come LAN then suddenly win 2 games in a row and take the trophy like they have for the last few years. More orgs will continue to pull out of apex and more console players will switch to pc, make a competitive team that no one has ever heard of. A tier 1 org will be competing against 19 teams of controller players fresh off xbox and ps. How exciting.

[@Reaper95LP]

You can feel that Hal is growing up as a person more and more. Yeah he can still rage hard af and be annoying but I feel like now there is just a frustration after a bad day. 100% normal. They will figure it out and grow back to their full potential once again. Hal is just a bit unpatient again lmao

[@armanazariii]

They’re not playing mrta like why they are using valk when everyone using bang blood caustic

[@YoungL_rd]

Hal on any legend besides horizon is hilarious

[@venomousgengar5569]

How about not being on roof or comet to taking the building and not be shot at everywhere

[@NerdOsiris]

Dude Teq is hilarious man. I'm a TSM fanboy but man Teq being a crypto main plus his just willingness to tilt folks is UNMATCHED. I knew the SECOND Evan landed solo, they were going to go for him.

[@owentcl]

Not sure is it really the comp problem. Evan on blood and Reps on bang just literally not listening to Hal multiple times lmao. Especially the match on WE that they got 2nd. They should've gotten 1st.

[@michaelcopeland3348]

Hal u didn't swerve with valk or pop med kit and yell at ravin

[@Gaming444fun99]

I don’t see why they just don’t trade back when they’re not playing good. Let Hal run blood again

[@StevenJS89]

Just play Ballistic

[@MitchSos]

YhU can tell they crutched on horizon and former meta. Even complaining that much about the car. The other team clearly want to contest them for it

[@ripcosmo]

Evan on caustic Hal on bang and reps on blood EZ

[@Kyter-555]

Hal takes no responsibility about his calls making his team die; lol. Such a cry baby.

[@ThomasMartin-o3f]

But but but they went from 10th to 3rd.....

[@jeppppppppp]

best player can only play horizon? XD

[@repsajj]

ive seen this script before, they're gonna win champs we just need the "im quitting" clips to start rolling in

[@uncagedmnc956]

The tsm fan boys might come for me but so be it. No offense to them but Hal is kind of lost right now as there isn’t a legend that suits his playstyle and I’m saying this as he was a huge horizon crutch. Evan and Jordan seem to be the only ones who’re able to learn new legends but with Hal it’s always a hassle. They’ll make lan but they def got to lock it down. Dz and moist are looking strong and they’re dominating over all the NA teams

[@Levy9_AriharaNanami]

yeah I remembered that Hal has said that he was feel good only when he plays horizon. Knoqd has also said Hal is a one-trick horizon player on the controller, but he is not one trick on the Mnk. But now hal lost confident on his mnk now so they might be have a hard time

[@iiiuuj]

this guy changed his mind twice in 2secomnds then like you guys dont listen why would you throw first to kill the duo yalll coulda waited like you said then win the game but nope wanna change yo mind

[@galactic4830]

Hal is absolute cheeks at BH and keeps throwing games away thinking he can take 1v1s as Blood. That said, their comms and macro are the main issue and whenever they lose fights or end up in bad situations, it all falls on assumptions that x did y rather than just talking. They threw away plenty of games because of this.

[@pars1eyf1akes12]

Why didn't Verhulst just drop on the car, steal it, and bounce when they sent him at Thunder??

[@AveragePoké]

Good thing they have months

[@enterstatix3948]

valk is a waste you should be running newcastle instead

[@joe12311994006]

Hal shouldn’t play Valk 😂

[@hanhdrew]

Hot take ravens coaching is the reason they’re playing so ass. His strats are pretty much run away and afk in zone with blue armor.

[@andresnieto4773]

who is Teq?

[@rogernkosi8420]

a nobody

[@kOzyy]

IGL of 23rd placed team in ALGS pro league. Basically a plat player who only playing ALGS to grief other teams.

[@HopeforDespair]

He's a console pleb who went to pc after he got farmed on console used to play seer though cause he can't win a gunfight without know exactly where you are like this whole communty

[@austinharlan3169]

What is the point of having a coach if you aren't going to value or even listen to their input?

[@ValueHaven-y1u]

Think hal was right reps should’ve tried IGL hal looked completely drained and makin dumb mistakes like he valk ults with 130 hp in a pro lobby obviously he’d get put down

[@tylerace983]

Hal is a great micro PLAYER but not a great micro igl. I think they should be playing off of Evan in fights. He doesn’t miss and at this point is better in micro positioning and 1v1s. Something been on Hal’s mind cuz he’s just a bit behind lately

[@gbcheese1153]

Why is Hal playing valk instead of Evan? Evan is the best Valk player out there

[@Chiater]

Hal had issues running in too quickly and getting caught out so they thought swapping him to a movement character might work so they switched

[@Hike__]

What is Teq aiming to achieve with this? Whats bros motivation? Just to get Tsm pissed or what?

[@kwonderland89]

Watched it live on Verhulst youtube stream and oh boy let me tell you , the chat was so incredible toxic. I feel actually bad for Verhulst. The most geniune guy out there with such a toxic fanbase.

[@garrymiller3171]

It's his own fault for not moderating his community. He's creating a community of anti fans that despise Hal.

[@remzine9285]

everyone in the comments was going insane when they when from '10th to 3rd' acting like they had won a lan lol now everyone in hear crying about teq

[@trentonp.8632]

I ain’t even a TSM fan but that car strat is lame af

[@Duffle27]

Playing edge obviously not working. Stop being late to zone because they keep trying for purple shields and rotations. They keep dying to people already in zone even when those people that kill them in zone also have blue armor.

[@mrob456]

Their rotations were so bad. Rotating to areas that can picked off from distances. Late rotates. Not taking fights when even when it’s an advantages to them.

[@Cixfa]

Bounce back