Why Tywin's Death Was So Brutal 😨

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[@SuperUniverse]

It is the most humiliating death for a prideful man like Tywin. Dying in the toilet and killed by an imp instead of some glorious battlefield

[@tarvoc746]

I'm pretty sure Tywin wanted to die peacefully in bed surrounded by his family pretending to love him. Everything in this man's life was about his family. Glory in battle was always a secondary concern to victory, and victory was desirable for the sake of the family's power and standing.

[@KROGANLovesKittensAndPuppies]

The mighty Tywin. Died on the toilet, and then his funeral was such a gross spectacle that his own grandson vomits at the sight and odor of him lol I kinda think it's GRRMs way of saying that no matter how effective Tywin was, he was wrong.

[@tarvoc746]

@@KROGANLovesKittensAndPuppies I don't even think GRRM thinks of Tywin as effective. I actually think what GRRM tried to show us in AFFC is that Tywin only seemed effective because Kevan silently and diplomatically cleaned up the messes behind him - because that's also exactly what he does for Cersei, and it's only then that we get to see how good he is at that. A lot points to the idea that when it comes to diplomacy and administration, Kevan was the more capable of the two brothers.

[@gordonlove5121]

​@@tarvoc746wrong, none of it was about his family. He didn't give a shit about any of them. It was his legacy and family name he cared for. Ultimately he was key in causing destruction and chaos to his family. He despised that Cersei was so smart and a woman. He despised that Jaime was so capable but not motivated by his own motivations. He didn't recognize how capable and intelligent Tyrion is. His cruelty and emotional responses caused his and his house downfall or at the very least their restructuring.

[@MajorCoolD]

Oh no, there are seriously worse places. Was it unfortunate? Certainly. But not as humiliating as a few ways I could imagine. Afterall even the greatest warriors are vulnerable when tending to 'their buisness' and it, next to breathing is one of the things all living men have to do eventually.

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

Tywin was a great administrator but so cruel to almost everyone, even his own son. As terrible as his death was, he made it happen.

[@ezdub5762]

To be honest I wouldn’t even call him cruel to anyone but Tyrion and the Targaryen children if he did in fact know what kind of beast Ser Gregor was when he sent him and Amory Lorch to deal with them. I’d think he’s just an extreme pragmatist, he needs to show the Westerlands what happens when they disobey their liege lord so he makes an example out of the next rebelling houses, increasing the fear and respect of house Lannister while also setting the Westerlands on the correct path. He needs to prove his loyalty to the new king so he slaughters the allies of the old king which allows the Lannisters to become royalty. He needs to lure Eddard Stark out so he sends Ser Gregor to burn down the Riverlands so he can end the conflict as quickly as possible which does fail but only because his son intervenes and injures Lord Stark.

[@Ashtonpartin]

​@@ezdub5762what about Tysha's rape?

[@tarvoc746]

​@@ezdub5762 "He's not cruel, he just constantly feels the need to do cruel things." Bruh.

[@ezdub5762]

@@tarvoc746 what I’m saying is he’s not really traditionally cruel as in he’s doing things in a logical way, not only for ambition although it is a huge part of it. Ramsay and Roose Bolton are cruel and enjoy every second of torture they put people through, Tywin just does whatever he thinks is necessary to get the job done quickly and cleanly regardless of morals or emotions.

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

“What a shame, he was a good man, what a rotten way to die”

[@MTBNeuro]

Tywin's death is the most ironic of the series. He spent his entire life cultivating a grand legacy as a great leader, but as seen in the play watched by Arya in Braavos, he'll likely be most well-remembered for being killed on the privy.

[@reallue]

Just like Elvis

[@NoahToledo-xo5pj]

@@reallue Or Uesagi Kenshin

[@artorhen]

That's what happens with people who can't take a joke, which is what Tywin based his entire personality on.

[@matthewriley7826]

And also throughout the books he’s this stoic badass who doesn’t show any fear, but as soon as he’s shot he’s wide eyed and panicking.

[@somethingsomewhat8860]

​@@matthewriley7826 In all fairness, I'd be pretty panicked if someone busted down my toilet stall and shot me

[@marcusholloway8013]

That part when Tyrion says "Do me a kindness now and die quickly" and then it says "For once his father did what Tyrion asked him", is one of the most badass moments in the books and the show skipped it.

[@RL-go2lp]

U would need a narrator for that

[@Isambardify]

What so he just says that line and Tywin goes floppy? That doesn't sound like a cool scene. ​@@ugly_larva

[@deft4184]

It's great, wouldn't really fit the show though.

[@asapdammoh8272]

@@deft4184how so lmao

[@nerdstark9002]

​@@ugly_larvaThat's dumb and that line wouldn't mean shit without a narrator and a narrator would be dumb too. Stop fantasizing about being a better writer than D and D just because they messed up the final seasons. Seaon 4 is some of the best in the history of TV.

[@jeffjackson3889]

He was literally caught with his pants down. That's tough buddy

[@borismuller86]

Especially for a man who fancied himself a great tactician.

[@TheRealRusDaddy]

The old prison rule shit with one leg out of your pants so you can jump up and throw hands without falling over instantly

[@jeffjackson3889]

@@TheRealRusDaddy Never heard that before. Smart advice

[@mick9757]

*rough buddy

[@jeffjackson3889]

@@mick9757nope I meant to say tough

[@ChanellorWarfare]

What I find most cruel thing about his death is that Tywin had just got everything he wanted. Tommon was King, the North was in line, tyrian would be died soon. Died on the eve of his victory.

[@Exorcist364xs]

Eh idk how it’s cruel. Tyrion lived so I think it’s a perfect ending for an awful man.

[@ChanellorWarfare]

@@Exorcist364xs maybe cruel was the wrong word

[@ethank5059]

That’s irony for you. The man who claimed to do everything for family died because of how poorly he treated his family and his inability to recognize who his kids actually were. In the end family was more important than politics and that was his big weakness.

[@Im.Yer.Huckleberry]

​@@ChanellorWarfare"Cruel irony" is more accurate, me thinks

[@natiliee.s.5476]

I don't know if you're going by the show or the book, but the North was not even remotely close to being in line. Honestly...its just beginning. I'm speaking on the books 📚

[@blakeandthecake4368]

“I am you writ small” is one of the hardest hitting lines of TSOIAF, as it holds such truth while also being a biased statement from a character we know and love.

[@robertharrison1058]

That line should of been in that scence in the TV version.

[@blakeandthecake4368]

@@robertharrison1058 honestly this and the Tysha confession is what elevates this scene as one of my favorite from the book, the show does okay at adapting it, but just doesn’t stick the landing the same way the book does.

[@ACinemafanatic]

@@blakeandthecake4368the tysha confession being omitted was a big element in Tyrions character changing even Jamie because he finds out Cersei cheated on him , but I guess they were worried that we wouldn’t like Tyrion when he takes a darker turn.

[@OGMacGee]

and that is the moment Tyrion becomes the villain of the story.

[@blakeandthecake4368]

@@ACinemafanatic it’s not like we liked him for taking a good turn.

[@atillathefaux5162]

Yo who tf made an Egyptian hieroglyph of this scene?!? 😂😂😂😂

[@EstellarLu]

A theory I like very much is that Tyrion might be Tywins only actual child. The twins might be the mad kings bastards, which also could explain cerceis madness and the inc*st. It would be the perfect irony for Tywin, as the one he would always shun, not calling his son was his only true child and heir from the start

[@chookki]

And if we follow the show ending it seems the madness is a heritable genetics so basically cesie, rhaegar, viserys and daenerys were all victim of second generation heritable madness, and joffery was third gen.

[@sixstringman2862]

That would also mean that both Jaime and Tyrion killed their respective fathers

[@goatlover6312]

⁠@@sixstringman2862Which would make it even more ironic since Aerys was the one who ordered Jamie to “kill his father.”

[@alexhulea2735]

Weird, i kept hearing this type of theory the other way around. That Tyrion was the product of the Mad King doing Tywin's wife. Anyway, Cersei might have come into her madness from her own family's marrying close relatives. Joanna was Tywin's first cousin (i think), and they were not even the first to do so. Marrying ones first cousin is actually considered inbreeding in some places.

[@imwinningthisone7613]

No because Tywin would know if the twins are his children lmao

[@cowboybeep3542]

"I'm you writ small" is such a powerful fuckin line. It really resonated with so many fans who experienced a similar sort of disdain from their own parents or guardians.

[@emperorlelouch2726]

But what does the phrase mean?

[@whoknowswhocares885]

Getting shot in the Groin sounded more likely to die from bleeding out than just shoulder wounds. Either HBO wouldn’t show his crotch or Charles Dance didn’t wanna show his crotch.

[@Kaboomboo]

It would've been too magnificent for us to comprehend. 😢

[@PromethiaSHADOW]

Most likely Charles refused to do the scene without a modicum of modesty

[@blainray723]

He shot him above the groin in the abdomen tho

[@Neolithika]

We can imagine it well enough, no need to show it.

[@peterdixon7734]

Even Charles Dance had to draw the line somewhere.

[@DeadManDownunder]

I love that line in the book, Tywin did not in the end shit gold😂

[@deussalt4479]

To be honest Tywin probably would have been proud of Tyrion if it wasn't for the fact that he was the one being killed. "A Lannister always pays his debts" and after all the shit Tywin put him through he definitely had a debt that was paid in that moment. Not to mention that Tyrion was the closest to him in intelligence and ruthlessness. Only where Tywin lacked in empathy Tyrion learned it due to being treated poorly throughout his life and realized that even beggars and cripples deserve kindness.

[@natiliee.s.5476]

In the show it took two shots to kill Tywin. In the book...only one🏹

[@matthewriley7826]

Just another reason the books are better!

[@natiliee.s.5476]

@@matthewriley7826 THANK YOU!!! 🎊

[@nela3986]

The sad thing is, they had it all. Especially when their mother was around. Even Twin was a better man. If she had lived, their lives would have been very different. She might even have succeeded in breaking that sick codependency Jamie and Cercei had.

[@scw55]

Pubic hair was a detail that wasn't needed.

[@notd0ll109]

That’s why it’s taking 15 years to finish the series. GRRM is too busy struggling over details like “blood dripped down his pubic hair”

[@jayjain1033]

​@@notd0ll109😂😂

[@Alknix]

What about sunlight reflecting on the stream of urine?

[@hiphopdirewolf454]

😂​@@Alknix

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Or a description about some girl having the runs due to bad water? Oh for f*ck's sake, George. LESS IS MORE. Imply that some of these things are happening rather than describing them in minute, scatological detail. This is just an [ORIGINAL STORY, DO NOT STEAL] that he jerks it to, and incidentally, has gotten paid handsomely for it. Now he's sick and tired of it and refuses to finish it.

[@nelsonchereta816]

"I am your son; I have always been your son." "I am you father writ small." Both the show and books had great lines for this moment.

[@user-wd8om1bs3t]

Idk how you put those 2 lines together like that and call them both great.

[@matthewriley7826]

True, and playing the “Rains of Castamere” in a solemn way shows how House Lannister will only fall…

[@PromethiaSHADOW]

I have the Lannister house banner hanging in my bathroom doorway lol "Hear me roar!"

[@brbrdeng9122]

I sometime yell out the Lannister words in the bathroom after eating Taco Bell. "But now the Febreeze, weep o'er his privy, and not a soul to hear"

[@Masitu0031]

Not a wise choice given a Lannister is killed in the privy by his kin.

[@PromethiaSHADOW]

@@Masitu0031 luckily I have no kin that want to kill me. Yet

[@Onigirli]

Why did you pick the one with the cringiest House slogan

[@PromethiaSHADOW]

@@Onigirli because the booty will not be silenced

[@isaacgraham5727]

It’s also pretty much canon that Tywin had been poisoned by Oberyn that very day with the poison known as “Widow’s Blood” which is described by Pycelle during Tyrion’s trial as shutting down a person’s bladder and bowels until they die from the body’s own poisons. There’s quite a lot or evidence for this, from where Tywin is when Tyrion shoots him, to his color and demeanor during the last day of Tyrion’s trial. Perhaps most convincing of all is the simple fact that we know Oberyn held Tywin responsible for Elia’s death, even above Ser Gregor, and it seems unlikely that Oberyn would’ve risked his life without ensuring Tywin’s demise beforehand. And he did have breakfast in private with Tywin (and Mace Tyrell, a known buffoon) that very morning, what a coincidence….

[@some_metalhead]

I don’t know why D&D tried to make Tyrion this moral, kind man. We love Tyrion and we root for him, but he’s kind of a horrible person, like pretty much most of the characters in ASOIAF.

[@calebbrown419]

There were alot of things D&D didn't catch from the books. Either because of their vision for the show or personal tastes

[@rdubayoo]

Horrible? Lots of characters do terrible things in the books, but the difference is that they often had no reason to other than greed or petty malice. Take Joffrey, for instance. He has no excuse for his behavior, he's just a literal spoiled bastard. Tyrion, on the other hand, had only been gone hardly a day before Shae abandoned him. Now, you could say he was a fool for thinking a prostitute actually fell in love with him, and that killing her was a bit extreme, but you can't say, especially after the awful day he had, that it came out of left field and Shae did no wrong. And if you're going to tell me Tywin didn't deserve to die, let me remind you how horrifically he treated Tyrion's wife just to teach his son a lesson. And that's just one sin of many. If GRRM's intention was to make me see Tyrion as a villain, he failed. He's just a good man pushed too far, and I totally understand that.

[@alexm4662]

I don't know where people get this idea.

[@leonrobinson8180]

I'm pleased with the change. It would be hard for us to sympathise with Tyrion if he were a prick.

[@mattiaachille233]

@@leonrobinson8180 That’s stupid. The show changed every single character to whitewash “evil” characters and the “good” ones. Tywin, a man who constantly humiliated women and had them raped and their children murdered was painted as this smart and wise guy, while Ned was painted as some idiot when in reality everyone in king’s landing was against him thanks to Baelish and the city watch numbered in the thousands compared to his household guard. No matter what he did, Eddard wasn’t leaving that city as a winner because of Baelish.

[@crazy_acid77]

So much more awesome than in the show, but they would’ve never allowed that on TV

[@HJKampe]

And Tyrion's motive was better in the books since Tywin confessed about Tyrion's first wife and true love.

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

Yeah they’d never allow a faithful adaptation of good writing to be done consistently. Trying to make D&D do right by their source material is like trying to bathe a cat.

[@ItsAme7143]

They've allowed much much worse than that did you even watch the show🤣

[@knivesmillions2913]

The crazy thing is if this moment never happened and just escaped Tywin would have been inevitably killed by Varys along with Pycelle.

[@GaiaJenda]

Dude. If Tywin wasn’t shot the Lannisters would still be running Kingslanding, he would have shut down the sparrows easily, and he would be running the small council. Pycel got whatever power he had from Cersie, who only had power because Tywin was dead. Theres no chance he would have even gotten his chain back with Tywin.

[@ryanrodriguezmartinez]

@@GaiaJendaI presume you don’t know about Tywin’s poisoning then. which in the end would’ve killed Tywin off, how soon is unknown but it wouldn’t take long either.

[@matthewriley7826]

And it just shows that as much as Tywin fancies himself as a major player, there are people who are playing at a higher level.

[@Emanuel-oo6mc]

I thought Tywin killed Joffery; it made a lot of sense, too. Joffery was out of control and ruined everything Tywin worked hard to build. He'd be damned if he let anyone destroy his house even his grandson, and who would care? Everyone is more scared of Tywin than Joffery, plus Cersei needs her father more than her son. By putting Tommen on the throne, he'd be back in control of things.

[@ekkobellick939]

I dont think tywin wouldve killed joff. The theory never made sense to me. Joffery's death wouldve inconvienced him but i always thought he just pivoted

[@lnsflare1]

Tywin was unwilling to kill Tyrion, who he *loathes* , for many years, so it would probably take more than Joffrey being a stupider Aerys to get him to kill a family member.

[@hydroking2969]

my theory is that little finger wanted to kill tyrion, that's why the poison was in his cup, kill tyrion, kidnap sansa and have her married off as she can only be married when tyrion dies as there's no proper divorce. this would make littlefinger have ownership to vale and connection to winterfell as long as he can manipulate sansa, thus owning 2 of the 7 kingdom.

[@JohnDoe-vw4zf]

​@@hydroking2969Was the poison even in Tyrion's cup? Also what was Olenna doing then? I doubt she was just bullshiting to Maegery and Tyrion being arrested and executed would free up Sansa to marry a Tyrell.

[@Thomk121]

​@@hydroking2969the poison was in tyrions slice of pie, not wine. In the show it was wine, the book shows joff chocking on the pie. But yes i agree Littlefinger meant to kill Tyrion

[@snipy9317]

What i love about this death is the « you shot me ». Tywin was surprised, and he was only surprised by Tyrion. If Tywin had love Tyrion, he would have been the ruler of the seven kingdom

[@genghiskhan7041]

Tywin was absolutely one of my favorite characters from the show. Yes, a villain, but a smart villain.

[@winzyl9546]

Not smart enough

[@koolhempsta3895]

Not smart enough to die on a toilet.

[@alisterfolson]

"He had everything but lost it all in a single moment." Will Smith: 😐

[@matthewriley7826]

“A reputation takes a lifetime to build, but only seconds to destroy.”

[@erenyeagar4686]

just goes to show once again, that if the lannisters loved each other without any ulterior motives like the starks did, they would’ve won the game of thrones. every failure of theirs was caused by them trying hurt each otherz

[@eltravos99]

When you've won the war against outside entities then you to turn to war within.

[@knightsfb32]

I still like the theory that The Mad King banged Joanna and got her pregnant. There are 2 different times where Tywin directly tells Tyrion he isn’t his son. This scene here and when he asks for The Rock. “Men’s laws give you the right to bare my name and walk around in my fathers sigil and his father before him. Since I cannot prove you are not mine!” The Mad King has a history of deformed babies being born

[@Neil-qg9cw]

Jamie and Cersei show far more Aerys traits than Tyrion. Also Tyrion is increasingly becoming more and more like Tywin as the books go on. Imo if the Aerys/Joanna theory holds any weight it's that the twins are the children of the Mad King. Makes for far more ironic tragedy, with both Jamie and Tyrion killing their fathers and Tywin heavily rejecting his only true heir and questioning his legitimacy his whole life. This scene especially cements for me that Tyrion is a true son of Tywin, and deep down they both know it!

[@alyssum130]

​@Neil-qg9cw No, this would make 0 sense. First theory is legit

[@knightsfb32]

@@alyssum130 even if my theory wasn’t actually true. Tywin still could have believed it. The mad king flirted openly with Joanna (regardless if it was reciprocated) and said he should have been awarded first night. Which obviously pissed Tywin off to no end. Also, we know that Tywin saw first hand the deformed babies the mad king produced. All the comments from the mad king, all the deformed babies and his wife dying was too much for Tywin to bear. Could have easily been just imagined and believed by Tywin. “You are an ill made, spiteful creature filled with lust and low cunning” definitely sounds like mad king shit. Lastly the Black Flame tells Tyrion he sees his shadow snarling amidst everything. Dragons can snarl just like lions can too. Crap. Forgot one more thing. Jamie gets to the siege of Riverrun and talks with his Aunt Genna Frey (Lannister). She told Tywin that Tyrion was more like Tywin than either of the twins. Which pissed Tywin off and he didn’t talk to his sister for a long time

[@alyssum130]

@knightsfb32 I really hope Tyrion is half targaryen. Would be so epic.

[@knightsfb32]

@@alyssum130 I agree but I also think Tywin believing in an untrue event is possible too.

[@siegfriedc2332]

Was an epic chapter in the book. A lot of build, stories about Tyris's childhood, a falling out between Tyrion and Jaime, and (much like the purple wedding) u could tell it was building up to something big. And Tyrion's wit throughout it all was so entertaining. The TV show tried to make Tyrion look like a part of him regrets it.

[@tokyworld]

the part that baffles me is that Tywin should've known Tyrion didnt kill Joffrey. And someone out there did. Plotting from inside the castle. He was so quick to use this to get rid of Tyrion that it was the fatal mistake for house lannister.

[@Fuerto203]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Tywins death was one of the few things handled better in the show. It felt more cold of Tyrion to simply shoot Tywin for saying "whore" too many times, coldly reloading, and then finishing Tywin off instead of making quips about Tywin being a quick thinker. The comment about Tywin not having shit gold also takes away from the scene imo. The only thing missing was Tyrion asking about Tysha, but that's also because they misshandled Jaime's confession to Tyrion earlier

[@hydroking2969]

i heard in the books tyrion becomes more dark after this, could it be said that after killing tywin tyrion slowly becomes like him, acting cruel and spiteful then maybe he'll realise this in future that he's acting like tywin and stop acting spiteful in wanting to ruin westeros

[@jollyquinn430]

Tywin's death didn't really change him. But he also learned that his first wife wasn't a whore. And that she hadn't been paid to sleep with him. Knowing that she really cared for him and that ahe got r*ped by all te soldiers afterwards changer him.

[@Ronin3453]

Who knows.

[@maulikjain48]

Imagine he becomes what he killed a full on tywin lannister but working on the side if danaerys

[@PhilJonesIII]

He does get darker though never loses his clarity of thought.

[@davidng8870]

He doesn’t really, he just wanders around with Griff and co. Iirc he even dives into the polluted river (the Rhoyne?) to save someone at risk of grayscale. The only dark thing I recall him doing is saying he wanted to kill and rape Cersei but those are just words. I mean killing Shae is pretty dark but I’m pretty sure he did that before killing Tywin.

[@Thomk121]

Tywin was dying anyway. He was constipated because he was poisoned. There are mentions of him haveing constipation for a few days IIRC. Also someone tried to kill Tyrion at Joffs wedding. It was Tryions slice of pie that poisoned Joff.

[@Ronin3453]

It was probably Oberyn that poisoned Tywin.

[@Thomk121]

@@Lucius_Aurelian yeah that's my guess also. It fits, he wanted Sansa, sneak her away as tyrion dies, same plan different death.

[@pjanderson4876]

I believe you’re correct about Oberyn poisoning Tywin, but Joffrey’s poison was most definitely not intended for Tyrion. It’s been twice confirmed that Olena Tyrell and Littlefinger plotted to kill Joffrey. Olena wanted to protect Margaery from Joffrey and hoped she would get passed off to Tommen, and Littlefinger wanted to get Sansa out of King’s Landing. Plus the whole “Chaos is a ladder” bit, Baelish probably would have helped even if it didn’t include Sansa.

[@Thomk121]

@@pjanderson4876 I know all that too, and we know littlefinger hired the midgets to inflame Tyrion to make tension between the 2. Yet we still cannot explain how joff was poisoned. Because he ate tyrions slice of pie, not his own, and they had no way of knowing Tyrion would be serving joff wine. So was the poison in the wine or the pie? Or was it administered another way? We do not know. It is not fully explained like you think it is.

[@pjanderson4876]

@@Thomk121 It was in the cup, Olena Tyrell took it from Sansa’s hairnet earlier on and put it in there during the change over between the dwarf show and the pigeon pie. Olena wouldn’t have done it just to save Sansa, and she had no problems with Tyrion. She even liked him because of how he treated Sansa. If the sole goal was to get Sansa away, they could have just broke her out sometime. Tyrion escaped from the dungeons of the Red Keep, made it all the way up to the Tower of the Hand and back down to the docks without being spotted. Surely Sansa could have escaped with the same amount of help. She is a beautiful but general average looking girl. Tyrion is the most famous dwarf in the world. It just wouldn’t make sense if the goal wasn’t to kill Joffrey with the added bonus of saving Sansa.

[@mangoturtle4257]

How to Train your Dragon section is a massive win for me

[@someguyinazoo]

Dude hit the most badass line like damn Tyrion rolll credits

[@An_actual_walrus]

I really like the theory that someone(likely Oberyn Martell) had poisoned Tywin and that’s why he was having gastric distress as well as why Cersei’s inner monologue in AFFC mentions how unnatural and extra quickly his smell and rate of decay are respectively. I believe she even admonishes Pycell for doing a bad job with the body. It’s a superfluous theory that doesn’t mean much but just adds extra detail to the lore.

[@darkwolve114]

Tywin's ONLY legitimate child! Cersei and Jamie were the Mad King's. Incest. Twins. Cersei going mad and her obsessions over prophecy. Jaime's swordsmanship prowess and stature. None of this is Tywin's or Joanna's style. I think Tywin always knew deep down and resented his only heir being a dwarf. The only child that ever mirrored his own wit, planning, and intelligence.

[@ItsAme7143]

You need more than just personality traits to say that wasn't his kids🤣 I didn't read that part of the book so maybe there's more to it than that but if that's all you're going off of... There is absolutely no reason to be this confident 🤣

[@ryusuken973]

Joanna and Tywyn were first cousins....there, you got your incest. While Aerys wanted Joanna to humiliate Tywyn for his good governance,.anyone that believes he would not net an dearly Death by faceless men if Tywyn ever even dreamed Joannawas raped or cheated on him is delusional...that woman was his Sun. Anyone that looked at her wrong was dead. That simple FACT kills any theory about his children not being his. His PRIDE would simply not permit anything less.

[@FabledHeroes3351]

In the end Tyrion was more like Tywin than Tywin ever wanted to admit he was the best of his children intellectual and tactically speaking which is another reason why he despised the way that Tyrion came out but didn’t really matter in the end though Tyrion was the last Lannister standing (assuming Jamie didn’t get Brieene Of Tarth pregnant which some fans think he might have )

[@nathaeladalyah9681]

In the books, there was a quote about House Lannister that said Tywin was so wealthy that he must shit gold. We saw the line a few times in the books, not realizing that it foreshadowed his death.

[@3headedpuppy]

That was always one of my favorite lines

[@jordanwilliams1447]

One of the best scenes in A Storm of Swords. The last HALF of that book is just constant climaxes and world-altering moments.

[@danielcardona2714]

Damn, Tyrion missed his shot by a few inches upwards

[@its_johnH]

Reminds me of that south park episode where Cartman or one of the boys said people shit themselves when they die and some dude dying shat himself violently lol

[@nathantudor5763]

Or, you know, real life, where people void their bowels and bladders when they die…

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

This is how the power game is played.

[@Ashbrash1998]

And this was after Tyrion called him out for what he did to him and Shae and even before thatTyrion lost it on Jamie for lying to him.

[@yammt3148]

Damn, George. I didn't know he shat himself too. 😂😂😂

[@grantkoehler4409]

Beautifully edited

[@chrishartnett8706]

Lord Tywin, in the end, did not shit gold. Greatest ending to a chapter ever.

[@hiccuphufflepuff176]

"Men shit themselves when they die." Ironically, this could be considered a more dignified death for Tywin, because his clothes stayed clean.

[@LuisRodriguez-kz7nt]

"Yer no...son of mine-PPPPRRRRRRRRRFFFFRRRLLCCCCH"

[@-thehobbit2908]

This is the best final line ever

[@napalmbhoji]

dude had the perfect Last Shit

[@Novagunz_]

with that thumbnail, i thought that Tywin was gonna freeze to death on a mountain and his eyeball and skin comes off but that didn’t happen

[@MattiavonSigmund]

It would have been interesting to see this from tywin's POV, his thoughts, if he had any regrets, etc

[@TheObijake]

I'm you, writ small! Iconic

[@MarcelaRitz]

Dying while shitting isn’t just brutal but humiliating.

[@TheV8Pumpkin]

If Tywin gave Tyrion the respect he EARNED and worked with him closer to rule the realm, House Lannister would have been the next House Targaryen

[@davidsimpson4407]

I always thought Tyrion was a Targaryen. They say the mad king took her to bed. The dragon has three heads. He always wanted to be a dragon. The dragons responded to him when he unchained them.

[@user-og1xf9jt5v]

no, he definitely Tywin's son. Not everyone has to be secret Targaryen. Cersei and Tyrion is like Tywin but Jaime is changing

[@eras1066]

"What ACTUALLY happened in the books" *Exactly what happened in the show*

[@jojackson20]

Tyrion was one of the best characters in GoT and you will never be able to convince me otherwise.

[@joshosborne683]

Only Tyrion does zingers for himself constantly

[@Andy-xj1wx]

Tyrion became trapped in a mountain after this and became the first vampire

[@JugglesGrenades]

Even the "King of Rock and Roll" died on the throne.🤗

[@nibrasge6375]

I like the story of how a fan told Charles Dance how his character died!

[@UMCorian]

Tywin was not a man with many faults. He may have only had one: he hated Tyrion because he was a dwarf and blamed Tyrion for his wife's death - it's the only thing emotion blinded his reason about. Tyrion was the perfect heir for him. Working together, the Lannisters would have won the Game of Thrones and it wouldn't have even been close.

[@dharris5887]

Did he not shit gold? Because this was indeed a golden moment for Tyrion a laneister always does pay their debits

[@dcle944]

The biggest failure of that family is that none of them could reign in Joffrey.

[@antzooma]

i think you mean rein in

[@ceronulo6858]

He pass half his life making this death happens

[@LCJS_8]

Sometimes in the book tywin seems like the smartest lannister. And though he's mean to tyrion, he seems to try to make wise choices and he is totally aware how cruel joffrey and cersei are. Everytime he was mean to tyrion I would be angry cause he knows he suffers but won't give him any kindness. But I also think maybe losing his wife to father him really soured him worse than ever.

[@coomingnotgoing904]

Interesting to think that Oberyn probably poisoned Tywin, which is what caused his constipation, so he was dead either way

[@flekzyyt9709]

To be fair if he really loved jaime that much he shouldnt have done that. As cersei said when tyrion killed tywin he practically threw his siblings in front of the wolves. Tywin was the only reason why there was law and order after the first game of thrones

[@latrolp2.062]

Did you know in the books after Tyrion pulled the trigger to kill the … is when I actually was in panic 😅

[@wulozhero6684]

Ironically, Tywin was likely already dying of either dysentery or poisoning when Tyrion shot him.

[@bufongodemdabae308]

Tywin only has his pride to blame for his death

[@copperbird2]

Little fun conspiracy fact, the main reason Tywin hated Tyrion is two fold. 1) he blames him for killing his wife when born. 2) Tywin's wife was with him in Kings Landing while he was hand to King Aerys II, the king and wife may have had an affair. This is why in the books Tyrion is described as having green and black eyes (Targaryen eyes are purple so black would be close to it), hair so blond it could be white. Now think on that for Tywin's quote "You're no son of mine." (it was a shocked death confession confused for one last barb), and why the king would want to have Tyrion as lord of Casterly Rock. Makes a lot of frightening sense why he was willing to touch chained up dragons and why they would let him.

[@LeLNascimento]

He died in a throne, indeed

[@alanceschmidt586]

DID YOU KNOW.. in the books.. Tywin was already dying from oberyns poison

[@thebaneking4787]

These characters are some F’d up people compared to the show version of them.

[@BlazingOwnager]

The show really screwed up the reasons he shot his father dropping the whole arc with his first wife. He had way way way WAY more legitimate reason to do this in the books.

[@death_star4956]

That’s a nice way to end your history in for the future to read, regardless of what he did or accomplish, his legacy will be remembered in Westerosi history as it read “Killed by his son Tyrion Lannister while taking a dump”

[@DJSOUNDWAVE]

That’s nuts! With the narrator tho, for some reason it feels like comedy and not drama. Either way 😂

[@user-de2ft6ug3c]

I didn't read the books, so I might be wrong, but the book version of Tyrion strikes me as more narcissistic and evil than the show Tyrion

[@anatorres9715]

Yes.

[@gregquinn642]

Here lies Tywin Lannister His counsel was his own He never wore a kingly crown But he died upon the throne

[@christianlaw1992]

It is sad that people look at Tyrion as a kinslayer for killing his mother and he goes and becomes the thing they’ve been hating him for all his life.

[@wowalamoiz9489]

No sentimentality to be spared by the book version. TV Tyrion was clearly traumatised even in taking revenge on their father

[@K4inan]

Asoiaf is the only book series where reading words like "pubic hair" doesn't throw you off completely 😂

[@bannedcommander2932]

This is one of my least favorite scenes in the books. Not only would such a wound take quite a while to kill (and Tyrion had no time to wait around), but Tywin could easily have called for help considering his upper body was completely undamaged. He may not have survived but at least he would have gotten Tyrion killed. In any case, this death is not brutal at all, especially by GoT standards. He gets shot once and bleeds out. If only Oberyn had had that luxury, eh?

[@paladinsix9285]

Shock can kill. I don't mean surprise, rather physical shock trauma. Pain can sometimes prevent people from crying out; or at least they are very quiet. Perhaps Tywin's diaphragm was effected by the crossbow bolt? I have seen more people killed than I would like. Some people die from lesser wounds, others survive what, statistically, should kill them. Tywin's death was what GRRM wanted for the plot, and it is quite plausible. However, your statement is another plausible, perhaps more probable outcome.

[@bannedcommander2932]

@paladinsix9285 It's impossible for the diaphragm to be affected by a crossbow bolt to the groin in this scenario. It would have to come from a very low angle, but we know that the bolt pinned him to the wall behind him, so the angle of the shot must have been pretty much perpendicular to the wall.

[@afwalker1921]

... and the dirt came out.

[@TexasDevin]

This scene always bothered me in the books and in the show. I get that they wanted to show Tywin committing the ultimate betrayal to Tyrion with Shae, but nothing about Tywin's character up to this point gave me the impression he would want anything at all to do with her. Any time the subject came up, Tywin always considered her to be less than human. For him to just all of a sudden be sleeping with her as Tyrion shows up didn't fit with his character as they had built him up to be.

[@onyxthegemlord2847]

I felt this scene was far more impactful and emotional in the show. In the books it felt like dark comedy

[@Popcu1tYt]

While Tywin Is a respectable strategist, and a cunning leader, he was not a very good father. The only time he smiled was when his wife/cousin Johana Lannister was with him. The good part of him died when she did. But that does not excuse his actions towards his own children. It was nice to know that he did have some respect towards Tyrion For his political cunning and his miraculous ability to survive, despite the odds against him. In the end, it was not the crossbow bolt that killed him. It was his arrogance and his pride. If he had not been too proud, and simply had given his son Casterly Rock and actually regarded him as a worthy successor, despite his physical disposition, maybe things would’ve been different. Unfortunately, a glorious death upon the battlefield would not await this cruel lord. In the end, he perished in the most pathetic way possible, and also finally disproving the claim that he sh*t gold. So ended the life of the most feared and respected Lannister lord.

[@NRV0]

Not one to endorse patricide, but here, Tywin had to die.

[@KingSlayer_.]

"Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." One of the best bottom lines I've ever seen. Absolutely glorious.

[@quicksilvertongue3248]

One of the best BOTTOM lines, you say? XD

[@TheHardik112]

One of those time where TV show did better than book to narrate the story

[@BassNoobFishing]

They both got what they deserved. What she did to Tyrion was the worst part of the entire series

[@Profile__1]

I kinda wish they had Tywin die like this in the show, like UTTERLY humiliating and grounding. Dude was untouchable, seemingly, throughout the entire show, but in his very last moments he gets shot in the toilet and essentially shits himself. Though, I guess it would be difficult to include that last bit while maintaining the tension/dread.

[@chairde]

In the USA this scene was shown on Father’s Day.

[@SC-mp1lh]

Tyrion will always be my favorite character in the books/HBO series.

[@DavidTaylor-bc1tq]

There's a thoery that Tywin wasn't even Tyrion father. That the mad king was. That the mad king was sleeping with Tyrion mother. That's why the dragon doesn't kill him when he's face to face with it in the pyramid. Because he was actually a Targraryen.

[@spookrockcity]

Honestly, Tywin was one of the best characters on the show and the dwarf turned out to be dumb AF in the end.