Why Warcraft 3 Reforged Failed

[@TheTSense]

How it all worked for me: > Play warcraft 3 every day > one day start it up and everything is gone > find out there was some sort of remaster in the works > struggle to explain my dad why he can't play that custom campaign anymore

[@charlylmaoo5953]

This is heart crushing

[@TheTSense]

@@charlylmaoo5953 you guys have any idea yet? Because I don't. He (and I) just want to do what we did last year. And 15 years ago. The more I read about this "reforged" thing the more confusing it gets. What does this thing has to do with me? I paid for the last blizzard product over 10 years ago. Also they are not called blizzard anymore I think? Dad plays Diablo 2 now, I got him a mod that brings the closed battlenet stuff into single player, and I picked up super metroid again.

[@DarkSerapheim]

@@TheTSense A workaround could be to install another one. There are plenty of (illegal) copies laying around the internet of W3 patches before the Reforged one, just don't connect to battlenet and you should be okay. Cheers mate!

[@Afflictamine]

@@DarkSerapheim thats actually how to get around it, you need the old version of so either disc or find it on the net , then dont connect to battle net, might even have to turn your internet off completely for that part

[@IsAcRafT]

@@AfflictamineI'm glad I still have the w3 battlechest bundle I bought back in 2006 ^^

[@EtienneDupuisMagog]

You talk about stuff they removed. They did add some stuff, like 30 GB of random data to my folder.

[@horsthooden4600]

Wdnt be surprised if those 30 GB are mining bitcoins for activision from ur PC now my bro...

[@sebastiangonzales46]

I don't own the reforged one but i'm curious why the fck does it need that kind of space in your memory lmao

[@EnderGoku9001]

@@sebastiangonzales46 it does it either way fam

[@Atlas_Redux]

@@sebastiangonzales46 It doesn't need that space in "memory". Very few people has 32GB RAM. It does in storage though. And considering several games have close or more than 100GB nowadays, it's not that surprising. High quality uncompressed textures.

[@Atlas_Redux]

@@horsthooden4600 A Bitcoin mining software wouldn't take up more space than you can fit on an old floppy disk.

[@dexteradams6515]

Groms name was always Grommash but there used to be a little lore tidbit that orcs didn't call each other by their full name out of respect. So when Thrall called him Grommash it was to talk down on him and lecture him as a child. And thus ends my "well actually" moment.

[@WTiiWarcraft]

that's a really neat bit of lore~

[@seloslav]

So what would they call Thrall? Th?

[@ashleyjuantan4129]

​@@seloslav I believe in game, (for Horde) only tauren and troll calls him "Thrall" as orcs refer him to just "Warchief" (maybe except Grom, the madlad was made of pure Hell's scream). Also Thrall was his "human name" and his birth name is "Go'el" so I guess he just got used to it

[@lomuus]

​@@seloslav T Dawg

[@goodoldgamingyoutuber6371]

@@WTiiWarcraft It's same fails release as Gothic 3. How sad, those are my favorite games other than StarCraft and Age of Empires.

[@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit]

Reforged is decent proof that even with an easy, foolproof, and airtight concept, modern Blizzard still can't churn out a good game out of it. They aren't even making a new game with Reforged, they're visually remastering a nearly two-decade old game, whilst keeping the internals as it was. This is like asking Blizzard to wash your car with soap and water, and somehow they ended up setting the entire car on fire a result. And then they pissed on it, because screw you.

[@WakoDoodle]

then they refuse to pay for the damages and give a passive-aggressive apology.

[@shadoninja]

Your understanding of the effort required to recreate this system is incorrect. Based off the content in this video, WC3 had an extremely interconnected and matured ecosystem around it. Recreating something like that can take an unbelievable amount of time. I think the video creator hit the nail on the head: the developers needed more time, but the business told them to release what they had. That goes against everything old Blizzard stood for and is really sad to see. Nintendo still holds the opposite view. If they don't think a game is good enough, they don't release it. They completely scrapped Metroid Prime 4 because the game was not turning out like they had hoped. An extremely costly decision, but one that they are willing to make to maintain their reputation and loyal fans.

[@Muftaay]

@@shadoninja I don't know about that.. W3Pad created a ladder system for the game in about 15 hours (what he himself said). Player profiles should be a thing of a few hours for experienced blizzard developers, especially since profiles are nothing new and they had it in previous games, I mean they had it in this wc3 lol. There are just so many minor things which should have been so easy to make. There's not even an "apply" button for when you change something in the options, you have to click back and then it asks you if you want to save the changes you made. Creating a custom game and inviting a friend takes about 15 clicks :D I don't know man.. all of it is just so unintuitive. They might have needed more time yeah, but now they're not really communicating with the community, they're prioritizing stuff that no one asked for. Their decisions are so questionable.

[@badrinath5306]

@@shadoninja mate I won't compare companies producing different sorts of games.but it defence works when u try to recreate something from scratch.this is more applicable for business strategies or such to copy competitive advantages and processes but for a game that u already have a system for.....Yes it was mature and well built which is the point on how it wasn't too hard to recreate it.even though a different platform now it was based on the original and as such a similar one.i don't care for reforged and fairly had to delete Warcraft 3 a long time ago before reforged for computer space and didn't buy it again but really kind of glad cause otherwise I might have bought reforged...

[@moh.syafrianabie8899]

That is a perfect analogy

[@phunthymes]

It's genuinely staggering how thoroughly they have destroyed this game. I would've preferred Warcraft 3 to just continue being ignored.

[@acolyte1951]

I regret hoping for a warcraft 3 remaster or warcraft 4

[@ZS-bg7jo]

It is a special kind of idiocy to reach back in time and screw up the old version too...

[@glanni]

why even bother tho? that's the thing I really don't get. Anything else, sure it's scummy to release a half finished game to pretty up some numbers, but what's the use in going out of your way to break the old version?? Do you think people wouldn't have bought the new version because they had the old one?

[@MrGullisYT]

TREMBLE FANS AND DESPAIR! REFORGED HAS COME TO YOUR WORLD

[@Kacpa2]

And classic Wc3 died for it....

[@LichlordKazam]

Malfurion & tyrande: Something is amiss... Thrall: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU, BLIZZARD!? Jaina: *Suprised pikachu face*

[@jiahajime5815]

Fans : Are the preparation is ready? Fandom Lead : Activision is very confident with its profit until it doesnt realize my review await it. Yes, our victory is assured

[@LOWBORN-the-LOATHSOME]

@@LichlordKazam Thrall (to Blizzard): You did this to the game... *willingly?* NGAAAAAAHHHH!

[@bok3rnes425]

@@LOWBORN-the-LOATHSOME thats exactly what happened😆😆😆

[@minhkhoaluong25]

The fountain of Health and Mana look incredibly sad in this version. The original versions of them have sparkling water, which make us feel relieved when we find one during the game.

[@filiamedicii3652]

Man, I actually thought that Reforged would blow a renewal wind into the Warcraft 3 scene, bringing with it new members for the comunity, especially for channels that focus heavily on Wc3 content such as yours and grubbys, etc... What could have been fruitful harvest for your loyalty and commitment turns out to be such a mess.

[@senateop9680]

I wanted that so badly as well, however i think that's the last page for rts games in general

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

True. To be fair though Wtii's popularity did increase in the last mounth. He had about 65k subs pre-reforged, now he has 77k.

[@vadorzo01]

In addition to raising the popularity of warcraft 3 itself, reforged also had the potential to bring back rts-es as mainstream games

[@MatildaHinanawi]

This comment hurts so much because of how true rings...

[@Artey0m]

I was going to be one of these new people to be honest. I wanted so bad to revisit a universe I love from playing wow for years and hopefully make up for the years I missed not being able to play this. WC3 was one of the greatest standards when it came to RTS's, my favorite genre, and now just like DoW it failed miserably and is dead in the water. Let future developers learn from this and see that the gaming community isn't going to put up with this kind of nonsense anymore.

[@gixG17]

The worst part about all this is that the higher ups at Blizzard won't admit to their failures and, because of that, some of the devs will most likely lose their jobs over this.

[@akiraigarashi2874]

How prescient of you. The management were fine but many of the devs were fired.

[@DivineAtheistWannabe]

DotA and other custom map creators did a great service to WC3 to keep it alive. And they are not even grateful. DotA probably got patched more than the actual WC3 game did. I knew people that bought a copy of WC3 for a BNet CD Key just so they could play DotA on Bnet back in the day. They never even played 1 game of ladder and was not interested: Just attracted by DotA In the later years of WC3, before HoN, DotA2, LOL and HotS, there probably was more DotA players on Bnet than ladder players. And Blizzard never gave the support for a standalone DotA game even though it was obvious they should have collabed with IceFrog. And then get salty when they go make one with Valve? This was a monumental fail by Blizzard

[@Dennamen1]

Dota is shit by the way

[@Javiercar]

The most successful game mode in history.... yeah, shitty.

[@DivineAtheistWannabe]

@@Dennamen1 Say what you will. You may not like the gameplay, but here's the facts. DotA (a mere custom map) spawned several stand alone games, some of which are now even more popular than the orginal WC3 game. This custom map even spawned another spin-off custom map: Pudge Wars Which now has it's own stand alone game too. Talk about the most successful custom mini-game in history.

[@GAMEZONELITE]

@@Dennamen1 All MOBA and competitive games are shit if you're shitty at playing them. Either your skill are full of shit or a FilthyFrank Prejudice and Equality guy.

[@WuW0w0-m8m]

Dennamen the first successful moba and the highest prize pool game. Only thing lol is superior is the player base boaster by losers and kids who can’t afford new pc 😂

[@animelytical8354]

"Human call" "I'm so wasted! I'm so WASTED!" *BRUH* Blizz had jokes

[@shorebreakers96]

incensitive on HAD.

[@cowboyspider6056]

WC Reforged serves as a tangible example of how Blizzard is no longer Blizzard. There was a time when Blizzard would rather wait for 3+ years to make a truly epic game (Warcraft 3) the philosophy was -- "WHO CARES how long it takes if you make it right it will be remembered/enjoyed forever". The current philosophy however seems to be "WHO CARES, just get it out the door" despite not even being close to ready, they assume people will just deal with it. But us older Blizz fans are used to quality right out of the gate... ya know that patented "Blizzard polish". What I can't understand is that of all the communities who would put up with a slow and old school development cycle would be the WC3 community which has existed largely ignored for years. Reforged was a great idea, but it's execution exposes the ever growing rift between a once community-focused developer and its pissed off player base.

[@tomasliptak6401]

Warcraft 3 reforged was just another Warlords of Draenor from Blizzard. I liked what I received (I bought the game a month after it's release, so I didn't get a lot of disconnects) but maaan. Adding like 3 times more things to the game wouldn't hurt. Also, I do understand your point of view, but it is also tactical choice to release the product kinda unfinished and patch it up in a year. But this is way unfinished. Take for example league of legends champions. They release them overpowered and nerf them as people start to get the grip on them. This way Riot gets closed to proper balance.

[@lorgariiix]

Sorry, a shell of its original, will not be buying this or any remaster blizz deams to make

[@Thr0bulator]

@Akin Khoo nigga please

[@kratosgow342]

Akin Khoo well Blizz also changed a long time ago since the merged with Activision it started to show the crack when Diablo 3 came out with auction house mandatory DRM and what not and it get a lot worse in recent year

[@nicholasquaid1895]

A once community focused gamer ran buisness* now bought and washed out with corporate agenda such as: data collection, surveillance, marketing, meeting dead lines, peak performance at all times, blowing through artists, design teams and creators like bullets in a belt fed browning. Theyre gonna be more focused on learning your habits then creating a fun game to play. Sounds weird but watch. We will soon see not only will this be happening more with game industry in general, we will be seeing a blend of this behavior across all consumption boards. In every Continent. You read it here. I read it from history. I see it in patterns of trivial formalities like gaming, trends, interprise, the market, etc etc. The children being born now have little to no idea how good things were (sound like our parents?) But this time our generation will personally see a huge shift in culture and humans unlike anything our parents.

[@BoTisHerE1]

legit this was rushed for money but i think they lost more than they made :D

[@muffinman2546]

Good. Fucking good.

[@foxt.5043]

Doubtful.

[@BoTisHerE1]

@@foxt.5043 well the game was at the bottom of the rating and it is the worse remaster of a game ever so..

[@anindividual4916]

@@foxt.5043 What percentage of preorders were refunded could help answer this question. My suspicion is that its north of 40%.

[@cameronkruger4333]

The game wasn't rushed all they had to do was revamp the graphics and they couldn't even do that, they were more concerned about hookers and blow, and that's a fact of how goddamn lazy that company is, they have billions off of WOW alone, and they had to do was revamp Warcraft 3 to something fantastic, but they didn't and they fucked everyone.

[@Alexgaby15Channel]

WTII you forgot the Dreadlord line "I am a Dread Lord, not a drug lord!"

[@WTiiWarcraft]

Surprisingly that one is still in the game

[@pinroshan020]

Good because if he is a drug lord, ph pres rodrigo D will kill him instantly.

[@PootNewt]

@@pinroshan020 he's currently too busy hiding from China and his own people to continue that drug abolishing schtick.

[@johnroyce8650]

@@pinroshan020 This is a gaming channel, NOT a political channel, so what's the point of bringing politics here?

[@jorgejavierbaroudiortiz7325]

see how they massacred my boy

[@WTiiWarcraft]

EDIT: 16,000 Likes!!! 500,000 Views! Thank you so much

[@peaceman5783]

_*Metacritic Score *_ Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos ( 9.2 ) Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne ( 9.2 ) Warcraft 3: Reforged ( 0.6 ) *_Me: Am i a joke to you?_*

[@peaceman5783]

:D

[@peaceman5783]

^_^

[@chickenlittle567]

wtiiwarcraft What do you think about Starcraft 2: WC3 mod compared to reforged 😂

[@peaceman5783]

Nice timestamps

[@DagothDaddy]

I watched a panel where one of the Devs said they wanted to move away from the original art style and at that point I knew the game was fucked.

[@rdsasuke1]

Reforged was shit but this is a very narrow midned and stupid opinion.

[@ultimatehamsandwich734]

given that they changed its artstyle from western fantasy to asian fantasy its hardly a stupid opinion

[@Zhohan-]

Daddy Dagoth they probably said that because they outsourced the art to Indonesia... so they had Asian style art and it was beyond their control.

[@CommanderTato]

@@Zhohan- Yah asia artstyle, but it could have been much worse look at how bad diablo 2 looks... my eyes bleed.

[@agent00meme22]

imagine being served perfect solutions to things like, crossrealm matchmaking (hostbots), reconnect (gproxy), improved maps(community).. on a god damn GOLDEN PLATTER and throwing it out. only blizz

[@Dean123123100]

Thanks Activision

[@chilwil07]

Reconnect is the biggest feature missing from wc3

[@Wil_Dsense]

Yeah Buddy. You mean Blizz-Activision idiots though not Original BLizz :)

[@skinnymulligan5210]

LucidvibE original Blizz is dead, like it or not this is the real Blizz now, and they’re shit

[@NoviProleterijat]

The Blizzard we all fell in love with is long gone.

[@onelonelypickle]

Man, this just showcases how perfect OG WC3 is. I mean, there are zero flaws. I say that as someone who doesn't play the actual RTS, just the custom maps, but still. Everything about it is just great. They honestly probably would have made more money and got less crap for just re-releasing Warcraft 3 with the same graphics but better optimization for newer systems + new campaigns, units, and spells. PLUS improved matchmaking. Why does Blizzard have to shit on its fans and ruin their fun instead of embracing it? Steam has been doing it for almost two decades now. Is Blizzard really that salty about not being able to capitalize on DOTA (which very fairly was not deemed their IP since the entire idea was someone else's creation).

[@Ghost3dOne]

I dont know how any software developer could live with themselves, after redesigning Warcraft 3 into a Chrome Web App. That's the kind of thing you dont admit to on your resume...

[@RangerJackWalker]

A developer who's competent? You should look up what Chromium actually is. It internet pretty much runs on, along with Amazon Web service.

[@Holland1994D]

@@RangerJackWalker And with that comes optimization.

[@RangerJackWalker]

@@Holland1994D Yes, it's not optimised. That's the problem. Complaining about Chromium just because it's Chromium would get you laughed at by actual web and game developers.

[@ravenousbasilisk5120]

They straight up sliced original visage off the game, and slapped some ugly disgusting mess in its place. Just one question - why?

[@ofgreyhairwaifu4089]

@@RangerJackWalker what was the problem with the old menu and did they have to " upgrade" it with chromium? I don't care how many shitty web pages run on it, it fucked up steam library and it has no business being in war3.

[@TalesOfSaphiraWC3]

I was working on a custom campaign remake of the game from start to finish with another member of the Hive Workshop community and I took two years, slowly, in secret to make a grand mod for Warcraft 3. I released a few maps as an experiment to see what players like even before I would announce our project. I was into it all; models, lore (Captain Falric, Marywnn, Thassarian, Nazgrel, and other lore needs. I added all of these as hero units, they weren't just regular units like they are making them right now, on the Hive's, Re-Reforged) and overall the camera work where you would have to think how the models need to work from above when you are in the playfield; the models are supposed to be identifiable. I want you to all ask yourself this question: HOW DO WE INNOVATE WITHOUT STRAYING TOO FAR FROM THE ORIGINAL?! Reforged has none of this and they stray WAY, WAY, WAY off. Unfortunately, most of the modding community that focused on a remaster also failed in Blizzard's regard to realize this and the Hive Workshop even asked us if we want a remaster... most of us said no. They continued anyway to 'speak' to Blizzard, as we were told, and were preparing the Hive Workshop for the new look for Reforged as they announced. I didn't like how their avatars were changing, how their model looks were changing (On the Hive), and when Blizzard released their own version... even the Hive Workshop had better-looking models than that which was provided in Reforged. Why didn't they go with something like - www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/nathrezim.291586/ - THAT?! Like, Hive Workshop and Blizzard alike? Why didn't you do this?! You still don't do this. You do not think this through and it frustrates me. Stop bending over. In fact, why ARE YOU? They literally claim now, it says, anything that you make, custom or not, as their own? Hello?! I mean, you will still go back and enjoy your game. Please do... But I will not play a Re-Reforged, I will not play Reforged and I will not play any game that doesn't even resemble the original. It doesn't resemble the original at all and in no form innovates. That is why I hate Reforged and I have a distaste for those who do not know why the original was perfect for an RTS genre. However, they will also never realize that not everything has to be fucking HD. Why does everything have to be HIGH RESOLUTION and HIGH DEFINITION nowadays?! Why?! I still play the Old Version of Warcraft 3, before Reforged, and I am playing Custom Campaigns that most of us are unable to make anymore. I am enjoying them a lot more than this crap and today's Hive Workshop community does not resemble the same community I was once a part of. This is not just a goodbye to Blizzard but the Warcraft 3 community entirely. So fuck you, Blizzard, and good luck Hive, I truly mean it. I hope they pick up and fix this shit, but they won't. I have absolutely zero faith ever since they claimed every property YOU make as their own. I don't feel safe, happy, working for a money-grubbing company such as Activision-Blizzard. Go fuck yourself, Blizzard, would you kindly? Regards, a WTII Fan.

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

"Drink from the black waters and you will be REFORGED!"

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

ikr, they already knew it since 2002

[@Hogoku_YT]

Its not black it's dark u racist

[@jiahajime5815]

@@Hogoku_YT He doesnt mean black people but black colored water, a phrase for dirty plot

[@Hogoku_YT]

@@jiahajime5815 still who calls it black water? Dark water sounds more natural. Do u call a red colored water as red waters? No u call them blood waters as red is like blood

[@Hogoku_YT]

@@vjbd2757 ur racist!

[@JohnnyX1239]

Blizz to Activision: "Our goldmine has collapsed!" Activision: ...

[@ShadowViewsOnly]

You won the funniest comment of the day. Have a cookie :D

[@muffinman2546]

And they still try to keep mining it...

[@manwesulimo7476]

23:40 Love that "I'm going back to Nintendo games"

[@WakoDoodle]

if only nintendo was what they were too. So many big companies falling from grace.

[@ChoppersRevenge]

@@WakoDoodle Wait what ? Nintendo is crushing it atm. Besides their sub-standard multiplayer experience, everything else is pretty damn good.

[@tzCombot]

@@ChoppersRevenge No.

[@Lewtable]

@ChoppersRevenge Nintendo knows how to make games; but their internet policies and general understanding of online are absolutely atrocious. But that appears to be just how Japan is (to some extent). They aren't the only japanese companies failing in either of those two regards. Remember when dark souls debug got leaked on the internet and Fromsoft tried to take control of the internet to remove the debug links, killing off a shit ton of fanworks in the process by having bots do copyright claims on anything dark souls related?

[@CraftyBear975]

Random aside, if TotalBiscuit was still with us, there'd be hell to pay.

[@daver9645]

man you know he's rolling in his grave

[@BigStupidJellyfish3]

Whenever stuff like this piece of shit got released, at least I could always look forward to TB ripping it a new one. I miss the guy.

[@DOMDZ90911]

Good thing he left us before all this abomination ever got realeased.

[@Byggherren]

@Daniel Byrne and yet here you are, saying he deserved it. Ironic is probably not in your vocabulary but this is a good example of it.

[@Byggherren]

@Daniel Byrne "karmas a bitch eh" I don't know about you but that surely seems to me like you insinuating he had it coming. And i really don't give a shit about your opinion on whatever celebrity person. I just felt like pointing out you are swimming in a sea of irony without realizing when you say stuff like that. Also you don't really seem like a very nice person either, since you seem to come to a breaking point after one of my comments and then calling me "fucko" lmao. Nice

[@jamesban]

They did everything they could possibly do wrong in a single product and to top it off they destroyed what little faith people had in blizzard. The only reason I pre purchased the game was because Blizzard used to be a company that even if the game wasn't fun, it was polished and some people could at least enjoy playing it (I didn't mind Diablo 3 and Heroes of the Storm and enjoyed it up to a certain extent). They have finally crossed the point of no return with this by scamming the fan base with broken promises.

[@GAMEZONELITE]

I remember the promises were the developers vision of the game. It's the corporate high ranks who crush that vision, forcing developers to rush the game and have to make adjustment to what they originally dreamed of. The reason Blizzard accepted the developers vision of the game, because this corporate high ranks are not programmers or game designers, they are corporate business man and just assume it will make them a lot of money. It's sad that the developers are the one being called a liar and scammer by the some people when they themselves didn't wish for any of this to happen.

[@sky4ce09]

their corporate made them

[@noahsf7676]

God man this vid is a year ago and I still come back to watch just to remember exactly what Blizzard did wrong. This game was literally my childhood, as this was my first video game to EVER play. (literally first playing this when I was only 3 years old) The amount of custom maps that I had made and custom campaigns of memories of my childhood imagination were gone just like that. I lost everything to either blizzard taking all of my custom stuff or literally because everything I had was corrupted when I tried uninstalling reforged and redownloading the OG games. I’ve literally lost a HUGE chunk of my childhood here and I’m sorry if that sounds very dramatic I get it but this game was literally something that me taught valuable life lessons, gave me YEARS of entertainment and fun, and now all of a sudden it’s all just gone. I won’t start crying and getting extreme but it really does upset me how far Blizzard has forsaken itself. I only hope that one day they can redeem themselves

[@mayuri4184]

Watch as they make the sorceress' boots have higher and thinner heels and make the knight's armour and weapons and even their horse's shoes shinier before they add ladder, clans, and custom campaigns. Even profiles.

[@CaptmagiKono]

Lol, if anything they will just make the sorceress cover up more, this is the new PC censor happy Activision Blizzard afterall.

[@leejuicy]

For so long, the art department is the only ones doing work in Blizz

[@TYR1139]

Chicken footprints Chicken footprints

[@trashpiz1382]

I feel like it's an important thing to note. When remastered launched, they completely rewrote my custome game folder. I had like so many GD custom maps of 80 iterations of the same version map, so I ended making sub folders so I didn't have to wait 3 minutes for the custom map folder to load. Destroyed my folder higherachy and anything that wasn't straight in the downloads folder, didn't survive, they literally deleted everything that wasn't a warcraft map from that root folder, i.e. external folders. If I didn't have my warcraft 3 install on a old ass HD from an old PC I would have lost a large chunk of my maps.

[@ReshyShira]

Working as intended, Blizzard doesn't own those maps so it's better that they disappear.

[@SamuraiMotoko]

If we base it in the grom transformation, at some point reforge will get back to normal after a ton of magic and work put into it, but the damage was already done, and die later

[@Tudorgeable]

this means they'll probably launch one more decent game (like diablo 4 or overwatch2 ) then finally be put out of it's misery.

[@Rocketingroflcopter2]

To be fair WC3 is the end of the line here. Want to play the game in its true glory again up until then blizzard and activision are both not worth any amount of trust in their titles. There are enough good companies and games out there.

[@twotoohonest2907]

I'm saddened too see blizzard fall so low, their visuals for the cinimatics are down right gorgeous, and the amount of lore available is astounding but the overall quality of gameplay and user experience has just been plummeting into an abyss

[@xucthclu]

The way I see it - if you hand me a birthday cake with a massive turd plopped on top of it, I definitely will be glad if you take that away and bring me a new, non-ruined cake, but my appetite will still be destroyed.

[@vespi57]

Almost two years since the launch, and none of the promised features are still there. Warcraft III Reforged has been abandoned.

[@azzypics]

I can confirm Russian dub being outright bad. It conveys little emotion and is about as wooden as new character portraits. Russian WC3 fans are particularly upset about them recasting Arthas - his new voice actor (I know, the director is probably at fault here as well) speaks like he's bored out of his mind and has no authority whatsoever. Ground units, who in the original sounded like army guys should - with short and snappy energetic voice lines now too sound bored as all hell. I've played very little reforged, but to my ear, Thrall too sound like he has lost that "oompf", like there's no enthusiasm in his speech. Although several character and location name changes could be chalked up to them trying to make it more WoW-like (I didn't play WoW), it also sounds kind of jarring to me.

[@TenositSergeich]

For being WoW-like that's fine, that's one of the first things to fix in rather erratic translation we got, but the dub's quality is so, so much worse. Peasants and Peons have "stupid dung ages" voices just like in English, when it does not work at all in Russian (they instead sounded somewhat tired and simple but completely intelligent in original dub). Not to mention that original dub is so iconic that it is pretty much one big meme for people here: "Ziggurat must be constructed" is the local analog for the pylons.

[@xucthclu]

@@TenositSergeich "Нужно построить зиккурат" Damn, now that you mention it, I haven't played with the Russian dub in over a decade, but I can clearly recall that voice.

[@alnimri]

I had a pirated version the entire time since I lived in a country where I couldn't buy the game despite wanting to (from blizz) and bought it from a store where I thought they selled legit games for cheap. Never even realized the actual game was removed. That's just greed.

[@melonman6522]

I mean seriously, why would they even fuse the two clients when so many features are not yet ready? What was their logic here? That's just morons being behind the controls.

[@Halfort57]

The logic was: Pure and undivided arrogance. "Here, take this newer version, it has... It looks modern, so you don't need your outdated and ugly-looking antiquity.

[@JoViljarHaugstulen]

Well we don't have any way of knowing but my best guess is that it was done to force Reforged into the face of everyone who plays Warcraft 3 to try and get them to buy it (and possibly also try and push things like events/advertisements for their other products or microtransactions like skins or such)

[@Mernom]

I'd say that they didn't want people to take a look at Reforged, and then go back to Classic that didn't have the 'hippity hoppity your maps are now my property' clause.

[@melonman6522]

@@Mernom They can add that clause to the OG can they not?

[@acolyte1951]

I thought it would be a good idea because it would allow people from classic to play with reforged, but I didn't realize how that would work

[@MrBoombastyc]

14:40 EXACTLY. It is now way harder to recognize each unit quickly on the battlefield.

[@thijsjong]

Priorities. Priority 0,5: shareholders Priority 1 : Having a politically correct profanity language filter. Priority 946104719: Having a functional game!

[@wackpendejo3000]

@@kraizmerentertainment2121 IM GONNA SAY THE N WORD

[@bb8328]

Shareholders won’t be happy long term; you can be sure of that.

[@brohemian]

@@bb8328 us markets dont really care about long term. also theyre very happy with cod whatever, no one cares about wc3. its just a curb stomp to rts and the ""toxic"" culture of wc3

[@gallowpole8226]

Don't forget appease the CCP censors

[@IsAcRafT]

Last one were pretty much discarded...

[@Xeo_Aligarde]

Me, 2020: "where did all the good times gone?" Actiblizzard: "Cold..."

[@mihaildavidov9100]

I feel like they should have done the same as StarCraft. Just little polish here and there. Reforged is so badly optimized, full with lies and fails...

[@miciso666]

yeah i was like hell yeah. if its the same as sc2 remaster this is gonna be dope as fuck. then days before release i saw the disaster coming and canceled my pre order. then noticed i was forced to update anyway. thank god i saved a few copies of pre fuckup. and saved over 20.000 maps from being wiped.

[@Halfort57]

They only needed to use the same engine used in WoW and update the models even more. But, they needed to do it themselves... Not outsourcing it to a foreign Mobile app level company...

[@riatorex8722]

After they snubbed Blitzchung, my trust in Blizzard had only started to dwindle. Yet I thought to myself that there is still a very small hope with WC3 reforged and so I waited. On the day of reckoning, I was only left with disappointment. Fuck you Blizz. Fuck you J Allen Brack. And fuck me for wasting 30 fucking dollars for a complete shit.

[@SasukeTheCursed]

The level to which this was botched is legendary. I loved the original WC3, I played it for years and to see this... makes me feel a deep anger in the pit of my soul. It would be one thing if this was just a bad remake but its not. Its a horrible remake that destroyed the original game! It seems like they made every possible wrong choice, every worst shortcut was taken, all the scummiest corporate mandates were put it. They systematically killed every part of what made WC3 such a good game. Character from the units? Gone. Some of the funniest voice lines? Gone. Everything that made the Battlenet the insane success it was for years after WC3 was released? Gone. That last one is probably the sorest point for me because 1. Being greedy pieces of trash and laying claim to everyone elses work is the scummiest thing ever, and 2. the banning of 3rd party IP together has effectively murdered any chance of it having a thriving custom map community again. And of course there are all the broken promises and the initial denial of refunds. How the game itself is just plain broken, how it cost a pro player who CLEARLY was the winner in twice the victory over a much more seasoned and renown played (nice touch not even giving him an equal amount of prize money as Moon after cheating him out of his victory twice btw). Its just... infuriating to see what should have been, hands down, the easiest success story they could have ever had so completely fucked up. Seriously this was fool proof... but I guess it wasn't ActiBlizz proof.

[@Flowerz__]

What’s the story with the prize money stuff?

[@joedalton155]

That ending cenarius remix was a banger, full version pls

[@ZXtales23]

As someone who's been watching your videos for years now, this is so different; but boy was this a good video. You should make more in-depth breakdown videos regarding WC3 Classic and why said gone features worked; maybe even make a footage montage! That intro was god-like btw.

[@blasterixx1]

Great video Wtii, even tho you are a bit late to the whole War3 Refunded party you still managed to make an enjoyable and well informed video about the situation with lots of video evidence and unique insight which no other youtuber managed to bring up fully in their own videos about the subject! As always keep up the good work and thanks for being one of the Great Pillars of the War3 community and keeping it alive with your unique, funny and awesome content!

[@blanck7457]

Take a shot every time he says “implemented later”

[@khankhomrad8855]

Man, so much effort went into the making of this video. It is a truly comprehensive list of Reforged's problems with clear examples. Great job, Witii! Wish the timing for the video release was better because the furor form reforged ended a while ago, unfortunately.

[@Twigspeaker]

26:39 That timing is absolutely flawless.

[@stormrage3708]

That introduction just summarized the whole video! What a legendary opening! It killed me laughing lmao On a serious note though, even if the whole thing was just a quick money grab, why couldn't they just make it as a separate game? Those who bought the game for nostalgia purposes, would still buy the Reforged game, and Blizzard will still get their money. Why merge the two together and make the fan base go on a chaotic raging state? They can't be that stupid! Just leave a small portion of the budget to create a new main menu for the game and MMR system and that's it. No need to destroy the good stuff you already made before. But then again, it was all just to prevent a second dota going out of their grasp, which is never gonna happen again. Trust me on that regard. Dota was a one time thing. Every time I think about it, it just makes me rage more and more..

[@CaptainGrim]

lol the segment in the beginning was great. awesome video thank you

[@raziel4235]

A god damn shame, warcraft 3 with frozen throne is one of the best games of all time, everything feels uniqe, from races, units, heroes, single player missions.. I never played wow, have no interest in it whatsoever, and I fear this could seal the fate of warcraft 4

[@boozalm3715]

You missed out then bitch

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Warcraft 4's abortion was guaranteed when WoW was made :( Fuck WoW, it helped kill the RTS genre.

[@christhjian9923]

@@KaiserMattTygore927 Agreed 100%

[@MrCrashDavi]

a lifetime's worth of custom maps and campaigns. it's a microcosm of what the internet was and could've been if Facebook and Google didn't kill it. We`re living in a doomed world.

[@spikem5950]

The fate of Warcraft 4 was sealed when WoW was a massive success. SkyTech is right, fuck WoW for its part in the decline of RTS.

[@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s]

RIP WC3 Classic. I'll always remember you for the grandest of games you were.

[@wisp6826]

I imagine ThorZain going to the backstage for a short break. Than you can hear loud frustrated scream and sounds of hitting the wall and than he comes back and sits at his place on the stage.

[@pichuyang3865]

"Im going back to Nintendo games"

[@rentabledwarf578]

8:00-9:00 It's as if they saw everything bad about the HotS matchmaking and decided, "Yeah, our other games should have terrible matchmaking, too!"

[@tibx2617]

I've just gone ahead and "legally" got my hands on old wc3 playing that offline >:D

[@abca14045]

im still 1.26

[@GreatOne_1]

how?

[@WakoDoodle]

if only you could play it online without updating. Like a fan battle.net server.

[@GreatOne_1]

@@WakoDoodle and how to play warcraft 3 now? if you download from site its automatic to download reforged

[@PasserMontanus]

I have WC3 on physical CDs. Will that automatically update to Reforged if I install it and go on Battle.net?

[@povilzem]

Remember when "Grommash" was called Grom and "Malfurion" just Furion?

[@Zhohan-]

Povilas Zemaitis I member

[@ZenFr0g]

Grommash was always his name but everyone called him Grom, but apparently they changed it because of legal issues with Honda, who... have a motorcycle or something also called Grom. Absolutely ridiculous.

[@muffinman2546]

People will try to copyright the word "sky". :P

[@federicomacias1946]

Grom was always his formal name though. Mannoroth called him Grommash after beating Cenarius

[@caualongshanks]

@@muffinman2546 guess what they did in brazil there is a tv thingy (forgot the name) thats called skytv...

[@cruros9084]

That intro tho... it was foretold in the halls of Karazhan...

[@ryancparker]

Too late. The community has abandoned the game. You can’t find the new graphics being played at the competitive level anymore. They’ve all switched back to classic graphics and will probably never come back. Great job, Blizzard!

[@cabantoy_retep_5]

WC3 fans: We want the devs to fix the stuff we wanted. WC3 devs: *NOT ENOUGH MONEY*

[@711jastin]

WE NEED MORE GOLD!

[@JuanManuel-et9kb]

They really say that?

[@CynFtWProductions]

Thanks for making this video, man. I've been playing Warcraft since I was a kid. Started on 2, went black and tried 1, played the SHIT out of 3. Island Troll Tribes champ here. Countless hours on WoW as well. And this Reforged debacle has just been so depressing.

[@JustAZivi]

The intro is extremely funny! XD

[@blasterixx1]

The ending is even better! :D

[@Crunchycrunchysmooth]

The scope of what they got wrong with this is staggering. Good video Wtii

[@VimpGaming]

Impressive editing & film production Wtii!

[@WTiiWarcraft]

thx :>

[@Raoul9753]

"The fans that expected so much more from Blizzard" Seriously, everyone who still expects good stuff from Blizzard has been living under a rpock for the last decade or belongs to the people who still make themself belive the lie that WoW is still a good game...

[@eneco3965]

@Loneamaruq Is this sarcasm?

[@lancejohnson3278]

As a software engineer, I feel for the developers. The potential scope creep on a project like this is *insane*. Tons of extra features were promised, but just getting the original game working in a new shell was enough work. I've felt the pressure of those deadlines, it is really painful, whether you back away from the feature altogether or push it out in a non-ideal state, it sucks. The sad thing is that the final textures and visual display of that new shell are so awful that none of it should exist. I'm sure that haunting reality has set in for many developers, these are the kinds of things that cause people to leave an industry forever. If I had to play project manager on this, I'd: - spin up Classic TFT and RoC on their own servers again, just as it had been for years without all the new EULA stuff - demand EULA changes or riot - put everyone, even UI people, on stabilizing the game for MP and working out visual kinks that make the game look like trash and run even worse, even if this causes people to work in a non-optimal area for their given coding expertise - add key binding UI - completely overhaul menus At least with this the game would be playable in its current state, which should be the highest priority. From there you can go full No Man's Sky on the thing and give us the game we wanted over the next couple years (since the Classic team is small and if Activision is funding any more remasters they're absolute idiots). Just my 2 cents.

[@Plajerity]

10 years ago I was thinking to go into IT. I've been looking at WC3 and thinking it would be great to work at WC4 development. I feel like I dodged a bullet. After such a release I don't think I'd like to create a single game anymore.

[@bboyleftfoot]

@@Plajerity You could go indie development.

[@jessefisher1809]

The original warcraft III was less than 700mb. A cut down buggier version is 30GB?

[@azenfrany330]

Damn, I can't describe how good this video actually is, apart from showing the reason behind reforged, I think the heart given to show this is on point.

[@xX1Mankrik3Xx]

Some of those voice lines I never noticed in the original, and now that I know they exist, I desperately need them back. My new favorite has to be the dryad "human mating call." Pure genius.

[@Weigazod]

I was expecting this game to be released in either late 2020 or early 2021, considering the game engine is very outdated compare to current PC tech + i world edited this game since 2009 so i know how gigantic the classic game is. The re-coding of the entire engine is extremely necessary if you want to implement HD models and better or more dynamic cutscenes but it is also extremely time consuming. In addition, the re-coding also have to take in account the custom maps which will run improperly on the new engine unless being tackled with many trials and errors. And by 'improperly', i don't mean simple thing like desync, green and red boxes. It can crash the game every time you start the custom game if the coding is not proper with the old custom maps. It is absolutely not a job that even 200 people can finish with that amount of time Acti gave to Reforged.

[@Orionleo]

As an [amateur shoutcaster] who casted many esports tournaments in shitty hotel wifi and shitty school wifi without tournament realms, servers, or codes, what I just saw towards the end where professional matches were getting disconnected is just... for ME, it felt familiar, but to get to that level of talent (actually being paid to cast) and having that happen? That's unreal, dude. That's a massive feels bad and I dunno what I would do, you can only have your game crash so much before you just start casting it like a meme.

[@HurdyTheMoogle]

I havent played warcraft sense they forced the update. I just cant support the game anymore.

[@Ultrox007]

I went out of my way to create a conversion mod called "Preforged" that restores the game to the 2012 state and disables battlenet features (entirely because blizzard told me that was impossible to do) Still too demoralized to play my favorite game anymore - but at least I went out leaving a mark, however small it may be in the grand scheme.

[@HurdyTheMoogle]

@@Ultrox007 I have a older version of the game on my laptop I could copy onto my main pc, and my main pc has the last update before reforged I manually downloaded. But like, why go to all that effort if I cant play custom games with buddies

[@spawnof200]

@@Ultrox007 i still have the original discs, think i'll continue to use them.

[@Ultrox007]

@@spawnof200 Good on you, go dig out the 1.23 legacy patch and back it up to a USB or somethign so you can get the full bonus campaign and tavern heroes as well.

[@Wizuu0274]

I don't know about the team itself, but for all that matters, this remaster is the definition of "we do not care". You don't toss a shitty incomplete remaster and then force even people who haven't bought it to switch to this barely scraped together client, no one that cares does, much less one that removes this many features. For all that I care, whatever Blizzard once was is completely gone, and it's now just Activision using their empty, rotting carcass.

[@GAMEZONELITE]

What's even sad about this, is that there are legitimately people out there in the world who doesn't know how large corporation works and just straight up blame, shit talk and threaten the employees/developers to oblivion. Like bro the developers aren't at fault here, if what not they are the one who's far more disappointed than the players, they even tried their best to delay the game as they all know the game is far from finish, but corporate high ranks says "The more time that game cooks in the oven the less money we are getting into our pockets", and now this poor developers are the one getting consequences, getting the full force of hatred of this ignorant fools.

[@agent00meme22]

are you daft? the incompetence of their newly graduated devs is what is causing all the bugs. you think they were instructed to poorly code this game? And another thing, if the devs had integrity then why didnt they speak out publicly 2years ago when all of this shit started? Lose job or not, not speaking out means they are a big big part of this problem

[@lolwhatever7307]

No, just no

[@6Twisted]

And the developers will go bankrupt and the publisher will move on to another studio they can milk to death. They did it to Bullfrog, Lionhead and many other studios and now they’re doing it to Blizzard. Soon there won’t be any free developers left, only corporate shells.

[@edelric321]

Bullshit. I don't buy it. The developers are just as much to blame as the company. People need to stop with this "CoMpAny BaD, dEvElOpErS gOoD" mentality.

[@katshuma]

Thank you for making this video. It's great how it documents most of the things that were wrong. Even if the game is eventually fixed to be of equal quality than the decade old base game (let's not even talk about upgrading, I doubt that will ever happen), this stigma will stay with the game and the company forever.

[@StormKnight1]

Wtii I think what you missed about the Tournament was that the Disconnects happened when they were playing LAN, I think you should have given a highlight to the fact that LAN disconnected because it was more embarrassing then online. Also custom game's have a lot of issues that cause the disconnections on Reforged. Compared to just being connection issues. The whole experience seems unstable. I myself am and know many friends that opt to work on their yet unreleased map on older patches instead. There is also demoralization going on, like my friend who I inspired to get into map making a year now just dropped working or playing it which isn't making me happy either. :( Anyway, love u and ur channel as always. 🤘 We got Soo wasted by Reforged 😔

[@kratosgow342]

No Reforged doesn’t have LAN they removed it with Reforged update

[@StormKnight1]

@@kratosgow342 LAN exsists, sort of... In the most insulting and broken way possible. But it's there.

[@Tomix4k]

I'm glad there's finally a true reviewer of Warcraft 3 Refunded and not just someone who knows nothing about the game bandwagoning on the hate.

[@dukeragereaver2208]

Its a shame I was looking forward to this game for about a year. I hope it gets better, but until then ill be playing aoe2. Great vid Wtii as usual, been a long time lurker around these parts. Keep up the work my man, you and grubby are the very spirit of this game right now.

[@wolf9354]

i am looking forward for resident evil 3 remake which will come at 3rd of april, so i know that capcom wont screw up anything, the same way they had a success a year before with remake2, they announced that game after 3 years of working on it, a good example when you can trust the devs to do their job right.

[@pho3nix-]

I can't believe how Starcraft 2 (which is quite a bit older than this release) has better character portraits

[@zoltanz288]

And better animations. Zealots slicing up marines still looks pretty cool.

[@lightstouch1496]

Everything on point just one thing his name is grommash hellscream hehe they just spoiled him back then ah feels amazing man

[@Holland1994D]

2 years later and nothing has changed. No ladder, no single player, many issues and bugs. What a mess

[@lugi9482]

Was listening to this on my rooms tv Reviewing game: Sort of quiet voice Sudden nightelf: Loud moaning noises

[@adfadfewfrewafawefaw]

im sorry

[@jarynn8156]

I actually disagree with your statement that they were passionate about the game. Their conference quotes regarding the art style, in my mind, proves they didn't go into this project with a love of the game. They spent a good long while trashing WC3, suggesting it looked like trash and wasn't up to modern video game standards. They went in thinking "this game is broken and we must fix it." With Starcraft: Remastered, the team ran into a problem with their upgraded graphics. It just.... Didn't *feel* right. Then it struck them. The perspective wasn't consistent in the original artwork. So rather than decide to fix it, they decided Starcraft was fine the way it was and changed their artwork to match the screwed up perspective of the originals. They weren't trying to fix Starcraft, they were trying to polish it up a little bit. That said... I have given the game a year and... I uninstalled it today. Its clear they don't care. They don't care about the fact they've permanently destroyed custom games, they don't care about the fact they've completely erased Reign of Chaos from history, they don't care about the stability issues that still plague the single player experience a year later.. I'm done with it. And I guess I am done with Warcraft 3 since they took away my functional client to give me this trash.

[@AICabal]

Still havn't bought Reforged, probably never will. My client version of Wc3 is still pristine and I plan to keep it that way.

[@edfort5704]

Yeah, but battle.net gaming is gone.

[@theguru2550]

Its amazing, its the first ever remastered version of a game that was introduced with more features removed than added.

[@tsibareos]

nice video! I sympathize and agree with everything u said.. I hope they bring back single player cause i am tired of lags and sound etc. I just wanna enjoy the game of my childhood in peace.

[@InternetMameluq]

Excellent review. This is exactly what I'd expect from a true fan of the game, and it's rather insightful to boot. Great critique.

[@paulw858]

That whole "Triggered" thing during the "deleted voice lines" portion was so obnoxious. Think of the headphones users, man.

[@muffinman2546]

It's supposed to be obnoxious because it's supposed to shine a bad light on certain extremist media groups that could quite frankly go fuck themselves.

[@AverageEstonian]

And this is saddest remaster of them all since Warcraft 3 was one of the few RTS games that brought me into PC gaming. Still devs and publisher must be kept under heat until they turn it into Warcraft 3 they promised.

[@lelinskok8923]

I started on pirated version then bought it for multi-player. After that this releses and I'm just YAY .............. refunded it realy soon. . . . . . I played pirated version for like 6 months still have it on USB now I'm quite glad that i can always play old version.

[@Wil_Dsense]

Great vid man, thanks for making it. represents the true passion of the fans and does pretty well in showing the contrast of what war3 was and what it is now. It's not so much the small (and large) things that have changed, but the overall intent and feeling of the company now , *behind* those changes... it's like the've gone in the opposite direction of everything the original company stood for. Cheers for making these videos, it reminds us of amazing the Game once was, for me it stll exists like this. Peace

[@mountaindewherbert]

The spellbreaker line probably got removed due to the reincarnation reference. Activision was like "yeah let's not make the Chinese government angry, they hate Buddhists"

[@TheHalogen131]

LOL maybe. TBH that's the most dystopian reason anyone could think of.

[@jayv8068]

It's funny how hard they hyperfocused on things like that and not making a proper game

[@Rotschwinge]

Sad story, I was willing to buy it instantly when it was announced and thanks god I didn't and probably never will. Instead I preordered C&C which seems to do it right. Breaks my heart but Blizzard won't learn as it seems. Thanks though Wtii, I am watching you now for years from now and then and you keep it alive. Thanks for all the hard work and endless content you created!

[@WTiiWarcraft]

Thanks! :)

[@alejandromarquez1291]

23:43 Im going back to Nintendo Games XD so true... They have the time and effort to replace the Sammy icon but not the time and effort of putting a destruction animation to a bridge... (and it is not even an ordinary bridge, or a bridge that was in the background, going unnoticed but it is a very important wc3 bridge since Tyrande almost lost his life in it)

[@ArariaKAgelessTraveller]

His?

[@wompastompa3692]

"Some fans even went to the extreme of upvoting other badly rated games to bump up their score so WarCraft III: Reforged stayed at the bottom." I fucking love guerilla warfare like this.

[@RangerJackWalker]

I just want to say that the menu running on Chrome isn't the problem by itself. It's running on Chromium, a development tool and Reforged is not the only game that does this. Dota 2's menu for example, runs on Chromium as do a staggeringly large amount of things on the internet and gaming scene. The problem with Reforged's menu is not Chromium as it's an extremely versatile tool that would function better than an in-game menu if properly optimised. The problem is that it's not properly optimised, like much of Reforged.

[@PartyQuest]

wow! the quality is great! the editing skillz are sick!

[@PoipulBun]

:( such a sad time

[@1un4cy]

Classic mode originally launched without the rexxar campaign, and without the bonus prologue from TFT. Rexxar was fixed, but we're still missing the bonus prologue missions.

[@TEJR69]

The thing with localizations... every language had it's own shortcuts to your units/movement/anything... So for example with a Peon you would have a different shortcut for opening building menu in German language for example than you have in English. I guess you knew that already, but my friend who plays Warcraft since we were doing fun lans in our neighbourhood back in early 2000 to this day and I've never seen him so heartbroken like when I asked how the Reforged is doing. He never drinks, but when I asked him, he instead told me if I'm down for a beer so I guess it speaks for itself... I just couldn't care less about nowdays Blizzard... they can do whatever they want, but they'll never do anything right. Think what you want, but fuck them and fuck anyone who is associated with them.

[@annurissimo1082]

Oh wow, the top icon for Undead is Sylvanas, not Arthas or any Death Knight at all...This just broke me

[@KaykyG018]

"Why reforged failed" Because of greedy people

[@Doctorshkalik]

greedisgood 999999

[@redreaper5083]

@@Doctorshkalik lol

[@jakegraham7265]

@@Doctorshkalik lmao they entered that cheat code irl

[@ddshocktrooper5604]

@@demonwaterdemonwater4993 Dividends and share buybacks