Fatal Flaws: The OceanGate Story | Full Documentary (2024)

[@roberthouse1097]

Stockton constantly mentioned how few people have been injured or killed in submersibles over the last few decades. Crazy he never put it together that the rules he skirted and broke were the reasons they were so safe.

[@toomanyaccounts]

also the number of people going into those submersibles is miniscule. 60 years of submersibles is like a day of helicopter usage

[@michael-4k4000]

Stockton Rush is a Maverick, he's a bloody genius. I pray for their safe return....

[@violetmaritime]

@@michael-4k4000 theyve been dead for over a year now bud

[@TheLucanicLord]

Rulebooks are written in blood, so they say.

[@UdumbaraMusic]

Same goes for people who have been in the profession for a long time... They crash ships and planes because they think they're good enough to take risks after decades of work, but they forget the reason they've lasted this long is by NOT taking those risks.

[@OfficialAshArcher]

This is THE story to teach future generations about why safety rules and regulations are important, and about the consequences of greed, hubris and cost-cutting. Stockton Rush deserves to be remembered as a callous, apathetic, greedy and arrogant narcissist.

[@amelieguerin8449]

Exactly

[@TheBandit7613]

Don't forget reckless.

[@OfficialAshArcher]

@@TheBandit7613 beyond reckless. Just callous

[@paranoyd70]

He also needs to be remembered as a murderer. His callous & selfishness led to the death of 4 innocent people. And he was warned by several experts that his approach was dangerous & could only have disastrous outcomes, and he ignored all of them. His own engineer told him that his sub wasn't safe and he was promptly fired.

[@Daneelro]

You know who is a much bigger callous, apathetic, greedy and arrogant narcissist in tech? Elon Musk. Judging by his still massive following of unquestioning tech-illiterate fans and investors, as yet, current generations still haven't learnt the lesson.

[@Bee-qe5hm]

I think that older woman makes a good point: The Titanic is a bunch of people's grave sites and probably better left alone vs treated like a tourist trap

[@justkeepswimming8892]

For only 250k you can go on a 8 day titanic trip

[@RedGummyBears-g3g]

For $250,000 you can become part of Titanic's debris field. Get your tickets here!

[@VanyaSvoloch]

@@justkeepswimming8892 come on you can join and hang out with the underwater ghosts of people born in 19th century!

[@ferociousgumby]

@@RedGummyBears-g3g No lifeboats this time!

[@That_0ne_Dev]

I agree with her but unfortunately all the titanic survivors have been dead for at least 15 years so now companies dont give a rats ass

[@SkepticalChris]

Stockton Rush wanted to make history, to make his name forever known forever. He succeeded...and he took 4 victims with him.

[@chantelboyd1853]

That's the most fked up part. If he gave a damn he would have went by himself & not knowingly endangered anyone else. But using a submersible that already went down under so much pressure should not have been taken down again. He knew exactly what could happen. I also think he went because he knew the risk & he knew if he didn't go & this happened, he'd be ruined, destroyed & he wouldn't be able to handle that.

[@phoebesmith8154]

The fact that he did it with a method absolutely certain to fail is what I don’t get. His ego was so far gone he was just delusional. The facts cannot be changed. Carbon fibre shatters under oceanic pressures.

[@lindamcmillan7618]

This was madness his sub was not safe when he says he wants to be remembered did nhe plan to end his life and the 4 others they were not told of all the red flags and decent people got sacked pushed houndogs out for money and murder I hope this company gets suid and all that money could go to a better cause when there is so much poverty I the word

[@Luka-DanteGodofMischief]

It's mindboggling to me that he sealed them inside, like what would've happened if they needed to make an emergency exit (if things happened otherwise)...the thing looks uncomfortable and like they were sardines in a tin can.. he deserves to be remembered as a POS, narcissistic clown..reset the industry back because now ppl will be afraid to try it out..

[@Luka-DanteGodofMischief]

​@lindamcmillan7618 plus they sealed themselves inside, like what kinda madness is that? There was a tiny porthole to view out of and they had to take turns, game controller to operate the sub and more..the hubris on this guy is almost palpable. 4 innocent lives, one being a kid is gone cause this narssasit thought he was smarter than the industry

[@eroero830]

the reason why they didn't do a testing programme is because they knew it wouldn't pass THOSE tests. when the test is "can the vessel survive prolonged exposure to pressure" it's pretty important test.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Repeated prolonged exposure

[@chreg89]

They noticed cracking noises on every dive.

[@greendalf123]

Nah, carbon fibre 🤪

[@mep1111]

Yes, but the guy is also asking for 6times the max load for a prolonged period of time. That sounds to me also like he is asking for an excessive high safety factor.

[@Evolvingwithin777]

100% agree with you. This man arrogance off the charts.

[@JerseyJersey100]

‘Carbon fiber likes to be pulled, it does not like to be pushed’. Wow. I’m a moron with no engineering experience but that line was logical, simple to understand and impactful. Edit grammar

[@13thAllieCat]

And if I recall from physics classes- ‘pressure always Pushes’ (really things don’t actually ‘suck’ what really happens is the pressure is changed and therefore air PUSHES in to balance the pressure. Like when you breathe, your diaphragm changes the pressure in your lungs and air is pushed in, we don’t actually ‘suck’ air the way we think. With that in mind, and thinking about that quote and pressure at the bottom of the ocean…. Wow, wow

[@JerseyJersey100]

@@13thAllieCat exactly. That guy was a lunatic

[@chopstickx]

what in the living f?

[@cherrytraveller5915]

It makes you realise that his lack of knowledge about that really did doom those onboard including himself.

[@JerseyJersey100]

@@cherrytraveller5915 and I’d add that he was stubborn and probably got off on bucking the system too

[@Project2013B]

Hate to say it, but this was the one explorer type disaster where I didn't feel sorry for the main guy. Felt sorry for the son whose Dad pressured him to go on the trip, but that is about it.

[@lisam8044]

I am same, but....I have a slight intelligence vs I've got money let's do it mentality for the passengers... the son I honestly feel his death was tragic, didn't have to happen but for his father

[@deejmeht2338]

Same!

[@Evolvingwithin777]

I know. I feel so bad for the 19-year-old boy. I know he did it for his father. Yet at least they were together.

[@StanBrohnSBFilmArts]

Pride goes before the fall

[@SamuelFernandez-es1kt]

What about the other gentlemen that were on the submersible? They were victims as well

[@DH-yd6gs]

"Worked with Boeing" that should be a major red flag!!

[@meganesergerie5382]

😂😂😅

[@Duchess8705]

Annd Boeing sent something into space...i found that very unsettling!

[@beck4218]

Don't buy expired fish... or CF.

[@xiayabennett6982]

Yep.

[@Dougie1969]

Boeing has always been highly technologically advanced. So this is by means a ",red flag". It's only in the last 4-5 years they have fallen from grace. I would suggest by piss poor management. FYI Boeing and Nasa had 0 to do with Ocean gate. Read a book

[@brittbrat4977]

It's disturbing in itself that the ONLY person who did not feel good about going and was skeptical, was the child. No one cared to listen and he was hushed and pushed to ignore his gut and go anyway, and lost his life because of it. I bet they wished they had listened now. Everyones voice should matter...no matter how small

[@JohnnyApplesauce1]

Children are born with so much natural intelligence and through the years, less than smart adults corrode this natural intelligence

[@falconeshield]

The child was 19 years old. Young but not exactly a child. Still a great loss, as he was right.

[@JohnnyApplesauce1]

@@falconeshield 19 is undoubtedly a child, if somebody lives to lets say 80, thats only 25% of his life was lived before it was cut short

[@gennarosavastano9424]

19 is not a child, it's an adult in most world countries. People getting comical nowadays with what child is, seems border is moving, soon some will blabber about 25 years old as child 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️😂 ​@@JohnnyApplesauce1

[@Xpunkpro]

Another person was invited did not go because he told them the sub was not safe. He declined to go and he was right.

[@jaycuratolo9486]

“When you act with impunity, I don’t care if it’s in submarines or politics, it’s not a good thing. You can get away with it for awhile, but in the long range it does not hold.” What a haunting quote. Moral of the story: Arrogance destroys.

[@stevensanguinetti]

Supreme Court: "Hold my beer"

[@petemiller2598]

"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid.”

[@22Tesla]

A very haunting quote indeed. Allow me to add my own. "The book of rules and regulations is written in the blood of men, women and children."

[@adjovie]

Hear hear!

[@marybarry2230]

Arrogance and greed

[@olig7336]

Why am I still so obsessed with Oceangate ?

[@thisisgreentext2147]

Because its something rich people want to do but these rich people are not as smart as they think they are. And they fail...

[@adb8003]

My hyperfixation atm

[@HalehJune]

Same. It’s still gripping.

[@habib-gn2hd]

t​o much J cole @@HalehJune

[@user_abcxyzz]

Because it imploded. That's really the only reason

[@italiana626sc]

I could listen to William Kohnen for hours. Extremely knowledgeable, level-headed, and a great communicator.

[@Krazy_Kookum]

"Everyone has their own opinions, on how subs should be design. How dives should be conducted". NO THEY DON'T - your entire industry was warning and attempting to stop you Mr Sohnlein.

[@stargazer7644]

Sohnlein left Oceangate in 2013. What's your point? He was a minority partner after that. That was 10 YEARS prior to the accident.

[@JoseMTamez]

Yes, red flag when you hear a person like that talking out of their ass. That guy was just as bad as Stockton.

[@annemariefrank]

​@@stargazer7644he didn't change his mind even AFTER the accident. Keeps defending Rush. Now wants to take people to Venus. He's the perfect example of stupidity and of exactly the kind of "everyone is entitled to their opinion above facts"-mentality.

[@johnyrocket-sx3pd]

I love the fact how AFTER this tragedy happened, everybody came out of the woodworks to comment on these type of KZbin videos to let everyone know they are submariner experts… and how this was super dangerous and the reasons why 😂 all quoting statement they’ve heard on the news. Yeah good job repeating what’s been said a bunch of times.

[@volatilememory9338]

​​@@johnyrocket-sx3pd OceanGate was warned in 2018 that their design needs to be certified and the risks with a carbon fiber hull by industry experts. The CEO ignored it saying that he wants to break rules. It's one thing to test this with your own life, it's totally irresponsible and hubris to charge people who had little understanding of the true design flaws in the concepts.

[@carolinependleton8445]

Its the young lad that went aboard to be with his father that really makes me feel sad,so unavoidable,mans arrogance is unbelievable.

[@warrenchambers4819]

Sad indeed however there's also another matter here to consider. The son doesn't go then lives the rest of his life regretting he was not with his father hence survivors guilt. It's very likely the young man considered these things and so chose to be with his father to the end if it happened.

[@amelieguerin8449]

​@@warrenchambers4819exactly

[@newhorizon4066]

@@warrenchambers4819 "The son doesn't go then lives the rest of his life regretting he was not with his father hence survivors guilt." Not really, you wouldn't have blamed the kid if he refused to jump off the cliffs of Yosemite with his father, would you? "Bye dad, see you down there..."

[@RoyJNg]

@@newhorizon4066 Yeah I agree, I don't think the son was thinking he and the other 4 could have been crushed. From the interview his mother gave, he came with his dad since it was Father's day and wanted to do some fun rubics cube challenge. This was not jumping off cliff knowing they would die, this was him entering a submarine that was sold as "being most safe and once in a lifetime experience.

[@newhorizon4066]

@@RoyJNg "I don't think the son was thinking he and the other 4 could have been crushed." Wrong assumption, you can't think what "the son was thinking." You only fool yourself.

[@FDguy343]

Never a better example of "I told you so" in human history.

[@WEMOVEFORWARD-TATIANE]

THE OCEAN GATE DOCUMENTARY!

[@_jadori_175]

This dude lived up to his last name. Everything else he said was a lie but Oceangate being a "Rush job" is painstakingly accurate.

[@RedGummyBears-g3g]

For an engineer he didn't seem to appreciate the physics of being 2.5 miles deep in saltwater. He designed a deep water toothpaste tube.

[@user-tj7nb9fu9t]

Lunatic

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

Lmaoooo 💀💀💀

[@LittleHatori]

When the narrator said "steered by a crappy game controller" 💀

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

@@LittleHatori never have I ever seen a (forgot the name of the news person who does those stories lmao) just make a snarky comment like that before 😂🤣 ballsy and not untrue lmaoooo 💀💀

[@montyfpv2259]

Rush will rightly be remembered for all of the wrong reasons.

[@silvo-sings]

Where’s Wendy Rush in all this.. conspicuous by her silence and disappearance.. she was a joint partner with her husband on that project.. for goodness sake! Someone should be held to account!! What on earth is going on??

[@SlowerRiot]

youll be remembered for all of the wrong reasonos

[@inkbold8511]

@silvo-sings The problem is man’s ego, his wife just got drag along with him.

[@lunar_silhouette]

It gives me shivers to even think about going that deep down into the ocean

[@griswoldclark6835]

I am by no means an expert in deep sea exploration nor do I pretend to know what types materials a submersible should be made out of to go to that depth in the ocean. But even I know looking at a guy with a video game controller and 2 monitors from walmart in essentially a tube with a black mat looked shady as fook.

[@MeBeCreepy]

Apparently it’s common to use a controller like that….but the fact that it was WIRELESS!!

[@axlslak]

Unfair to blame the controllers. Especially Playstation/Xbox controllers are some of the most tortured devices on the planet. They are cheap, robust, versatile. People are familiar with them already. That's why they are used in many applications, in army, navy, airforce, for drones, of all kinds. Super useful in robotics as well.

[@petemiller2598]

@@axlslak That one wasn't even a first party controller though. It was a cheap logitech one. He couldn't even pony up to buy a proper dualshock.

[@eliphas_catdaddy7982]

I saw multiple carbon fiber bikes snap all of a sudden. Have never seen a steel bike snap.

[@platiuscyndar9017]

@@petemiller2598 Presumably a proper dualshock would've been harder to make work. Lots of propriatery stuff in those things. Logitech controllers meanwhilst work out the box with any computer you plug them into really.

[@ray.shoesmith]

James Cameron knew they were atomised the moment they went missing

[@stellarwind1946]

Pretty much everyone did

[@Rollacoastertycoon]

i knew it was a submarine as soon as they said submarie

[@Frankthetank-zr5mc]

If anyone had inside info he did. He let some things slip in his first couple of interviews that made it clear they were gone. Clearly he tried to protect his sources, but the anger and contempt he felt for Rush and his murderous actions came through. I can’t fault the Navy or Coastguard. The Navy had secrets to protect and the Coastguard had a job to do. The share no blame.

[@marianmarkovic5881]

@@stellarwind1946 Everyone, including media which were saying there is still hope, but in fact they were just milking money from wievs.

[@phoebesmith8154]

Everyone who knew about the audio the navy picked up knew that.

[@stevecullen]

Having worked in the subsea robotics industry as an operator and engineer for 24 years, the arrogance and flagrant disregard for recognised safety practices is just breathtaking.

[@naserintegral]

Arrogance and greed lead to disasters.

[@RoyJNg]

In the ABC 2 hour documentary, there was a clip where Stockton was saying "Great CEO, or greatest CEO" when he was posing for pictures.

[@VSR7684]

@@RoyJNg do you have a link/name to that doc please

[@RoyJNg]

@@VSR7684 KZbin isn't letting me post the link. 1. Go to google 2. Type in ABC Fatal Dive to the Titanic 3. First link

[@sparthyslaysstuff2405]

And the public is made to pick up the pieces.

[@Frankthetank-zr5mc]

Short, sweet, concise and accurate. Nice comment.

[@mintybadger6905]

I’ve got such a huge amount of respect for all the men and women from so many different countries who dropped everything and went to go help try to rescue the Titan. Even if they were sure it was hopeless, they still went out there and tried. I love that about people.

[@retsaMinnavoiG]

It makes me proud to be a human but at the same time... ashamed. The amount of money spent on the search could have improved or saved many other lives (like children education, helping the suicidal, social housing etc.)

[@noradickel6269]

​@@retsaMinnavoiGYes, during the exact time of the search and rescue mission for the Titan, hundreds of Refugees (including many children) downed in the Mediterranen Sea, because their boat was in distress.

[@mattbrewster5766]

The US military knew about it when it happened. They knew from the start they imploded and instigated a massive search for no reason. The military knew the pings they were hearing wasn’t them knocking.

[@thereasonableconsumer]

The amount of money wasted on the search and rescue could have saved hundreds of lives.

[@MayaRoy-u2z]

@@noradickel6269 Exactly. Rich people matter - poor people don't - makes me sad for humanity.

[@therealryanshow]

The submersible expert speaking at the beginning couldn't have been more right in all he said. May all their souls rest in peace

[@TriceCeilborn]

This whole situation seems like the ultimate example of a rich man's delusion that nothing bad could ever happen to him, and he ended up taking 4 other people down with him

[@robertbobbypelletreaujr2173]

Twas wokeness thatkilled the beast..

[@Evolvingwithin777]

narcissism at its finest, my friend.

[@homerelesperance2857]

Well said! 👏👏👏

[@KarmelaKarmelina]

Well, those other people went willingly. So no tears for any of them.

[@Evolvingwithin777]

@@KarmelaKarmelina yes, they did. Did they really understand the risks they were taking? That is kind of cold of you to say that. Have never been guilty of poor decision making?

[@stellarwind1946]

Steel is ductile, unlike carbon fiber. That makes it a lot easier to figure out where fatigue stress is developing. It also means it doesn’t fail catastrophically. When carbon fiber fails, it shatters into a million pieces.

[@corbeau-_-]

steel cracks when it fails. The breaking point isn't the problem, the shattering isn't either. It's how it is built and about how you can check whether it is built correct. The carbon fibre is hundreds of layers which can all delaminate and there's no solid way to test that. It's a given it will happen - stockton just figured you could hear it coming - which was based on nothing. Otherwise steel is easy to weld, but it corrodes, deteriorates. Titanium is best there, lighter too, but way more expensive, also because it needs to be the one solid piece (why most are spherical, while subs are often not). Welding isn't really an option. Having said all that, the billion dollar subs still also sink at times... space craft explode. But they do tend to calculate risks... Stockton just ignored that while using a flawed process. Carbon is used in space just fine. But due to the way fibre layers are made, pressure isn't that suitable for it. But the glass they use shatters too - they just make it thick enough. Again, very expensive.

[@carlesmeislife1372]

Tragic because they went looking for a sub they would never find whole or with anyone inside.

[@710nerDeckel]

@@corbeau-_- kno steel doesnt crack,-----> it bends

[@corbeau-_-]

@@710nerDeckel So you're telling me steel doesn't crack, only to tell me it does crack - suddenly. The point as stated that it's not about breaking, bending, shattering, cracking, going supernova, whatever, but about being able to make reliable calculations on said breaking point. Carbon layered structures can't properly be checked, where it is possible on steel, titanium, metal... As for your own advice, best avoid the word literal and avoid using capslock as a tool to show your frustration.

[@michael-4k4000]

My uncle Ned said they should make the Submarine out of 100% glass in a sphere shape

[@Martial-Mat]

By far the biggest flaw was the owner's ego and reckless attitude to safety.

[@XiaoFury]

Ironically, the captain of the Titanic was just as big headed.

[@backwoodscharlie8483]

Yours is the best comment.I've read to date. One hundred and ten percent correct.

[@Martial-Mat]

@@XiaoFury Is that so? I had always heard that he was unfairly vilified.

[@TheMeJustMe75]

It was reported that the son actually tried to get out of the dive because he was scared. The guy who was operating the sub told him it was completely safe.

[@CleverestWitch2188]

Allways always always trust your gut. That's the lesson here.

[@raeoverhere923]

Sadly, it was Suleman's father that convinced him to get on board. They were there for a Father's Day outing, and his father loved the Titanic; how could he back out?

[@surfside75]

Ouch😢

[@Private-wj4nd]

Poor kid 😢

[@backwoodscharlie8483]

Completely safe, That's probably what they told the astronauts that flew in the challenger space shuttle.

[@momo.ru-kun]

When the name of the company sounds like a scandal waiting to happen, you can't trust it: Ocean-Gate, really? That's not smart 😅

[@rbsk999]

On top of that they named it Titan. 😬

[@RoyJNg]

Also when the CEO has the ego the size of the Titanic, then we know it's going to be bad.

[@m.h.6499]

Excellent point about the name; it’s all too true. Wonder if there was unconscious defiance in the name.

[@jonnieinbangkok]

Reminds me of Heaven's Gate.

[@Frankthetank-zr5mc]

Haha. Maybe he thought his target audience was too young to catch the irony.

[@DeanJace0227]

The only reason it took them that long to call the coast guard is, bc they already knew what happened, were scared of getting in trouble, and nobody wanted to be the one to make that call...

[@Bkrolls.95ti]

Same thing that happened in Chernobyl nuclear plant,,,,why all the hesitation and it has already happened,the more time it takes after the incident the bigger the story it becomes.

[@ninapagonakis4628]

I followed this case pretty closely at the time but I always felt like the oxygen “countdown” was used to make the story more sensationalized for viewers. I bet most of the professionals working on the rescue probably agreed that that thing crushed like a bug under all that pressure, probably right when contact with it was lost.

[@ajc5370]

It absolutely was even the Coast guard failed to mention what they had already heard play simply wanted to find debris to back it up

[@stargazer7644]

That was certainly the most likely outcome, but only those that were privy to the US Navy's classified underwater microphone's recording knew for sure. While the USCG had it at the time, that info wasn't released to the public until much later.

[@Amber93012]

I liked to think there was just a lot of hope, but honestly you’re probably right. It made a crazy story.

[@ohheyitskevinc]

7 News knocking it out of the park with these documentaries. Really impressive how a news org in a different hemisphere is able to produce and share for the world here documentaries that the likes of the BBC used to make. Well done!

[@7news]

Thank you so much, Kevin.

[@jonnieinbangkok]

Agree...Biased Broadcasting Corporation is nothing but woke DEI propaganda.

[@ayushsaini7794]

It's wild how history seems to repeat itself like this. The Titanic and the Titan, two completely different eras, yet united by the same tragic fate. Pushing the boundaries, exploring the unknown, it's all part of the human spirit. But there's a fine line between ambition and recklessness. This is a stark reminder that safety should always be the top priority, no matter how exciting the adventure. It's a tough pill to swallow, but lessons like these are crucial.

[@Fela_rof]

I still feel sorry for the boy the most. Trusting his father to make a rational decision that doesn't harm him ...

[@seanpellegrino2989]

What's crazy to me is that they filled in for another father and son who backed out after the son decided Stockton wasn't legit and the sub wasn't safe.

[@harrietharlow9929]

@@seanpellegrino2989 That duo gave us some interesting asides about Stockton Rush.

[@ghostoflazlo]

I can't imagine the grief losing your husband and son at the same time under such spectacular circumstances. What a Neverending nightmare. My heart goes out to the poor mother ❤

[@falconeshield]

And the aunt, she cared for her nephew quite a lot.

[@stevengill1736]

And the whole family of each and every participant, absolutely. Heck, it made me sad, just watching the investigations and testimony, as I know it did many others....

[@quitepernicious6041]

I am impressed by Kohnen's clarity of expression; I could listen to his views for hours.

[@mooniemoons]

same.

[@makon2824]

No one should forget that the sound of the implosion was detected. A handful of people knew the search was really a recovery operation, and withheld that information under orders.

[@BornIn1500]

The media suppressed it so they could have their gripping storylines for the next few days. They had millions of people obsessively watching their oxygen countdown like it was some sick game. Imagine how much money they made from the views.

[@scottschaefer2086]

Ya. They withheld info to confirm it was indeed ocean gate. Nothing to do with media. You don’t see/hear a plane crash and immediately make assumptions. Even when it is obvious, you need to be 100 percent certain before telling families.

[@chantelboyd1853]

I had no idea this was heard but I guess common sense says obviously they heard something then lost contact. Of course they heard something. It's so sad because it didn't have to go down like this.

[@JoseMTamez]

Yeah, the Navy heard it implode but was using Top Secret technology to hear it and they weren't about to disclose any of that.

[@turinhorse]

IF THEY DONT HAVE CONFIRMATION THEN YOU CANT ASSERT ANYTHING. nothing was withheld. hush child. no more talking for you

[@joshuaam7701]

That we worked with Boeing comment didn’t age well either.. 🤣

[@stargazer7644]

And it wasn't true.

[@18booma]

@@stargazer7644 I'm starting to wonder if it was. Apparently another plane lost a wheel on Monday. It wouldn't be beneath Boeing to claim they never heard of him after the disaster.

[@ZachDift-kc4nk]

@stargazer7644 Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it WAS true - did you hear about how one of the Boeing whistleblowers strangely happened to just commit $uicide right before he was supposed to testify in court? Rush ending up dead after working with Boeing fits in with Boeings MO perfectly

[@user-tj7nb9fu9t]

Two Boeing ing. allegedly did participate in the start of the project

[@Jersey.D3vil201]

I will never understand parents who force their goals, dreams, ambitions and interests on their children. They can't seem to accept that their children are not an extension of them; they have their own dreams and interests. Of course there's nothing wrong sharing all of that with your kids, but when they express fear or an outright aversion to whatever it is you're introducing, it's time to back off. Considering the number of death clauses in the contract Suleman's father signed, he knew this was incredibly dangerous, yet pressured his son into doing it anyway.

[@UncleDuTheWatchman]

I agree!!! We should encourage our children to face their more "unreasonable" fears to gain courage but the REASONABLE fears...nah...don't push that. Anybody who doesn't want to go miles underwater is not being unreasonably fearful.

[@glamdolly30]

You do not know that the 19-year-old was 'pressured' by his father into doing the Titan trip! You are accepting wholesale a version of events given by his aunt alone (and widely reported by sensationalist mass media), which is totally contradicted by his mother and other family members. In fact Suleman Dawood had contacted the Guinness World Records before the dive, to register his intention to complete a unique Rubiks Cube challenge aboard the Titan sub, close to the Titanic wreck. He was obsessed with Rubiks Cubes, and excited about this quirky challenge and his imminent creation of a new world record. That does not sound like a young man who was afraid, or doing the Titanic trip against his will just to please his father! I feel Stockton Rush found the perfect passengers, by targeting multi millionaires. The super-rich not only have the disposable income available to bankroll his aquatic ego trip, they tend to possess an innate confidence that nothing terrible will happen to them. Money protects you from life's 'bumps in the road', and huge amounts of money can even convince you you're immortal. Stockton Rush, a narcissist at the extreme end of the spectrum, was an accomplished snake oil salesman. His sales pitch to flog $250k apiece Titan tickets to the rich was slick and persuasive. He would tell them a deep dive to Titanic on his submersible was statistically lower risk than crossing the road. He also quoted the impressive safety record of submersible vehicles, in their 60 year history (a record achieved not by him with his dodgy carbon fibre coke can, but by all the professionals down the decades who observed the rules and maintained far higher standards than OceanGate, across the board). So despite the multiple mentions of death in the waiver Titan passengers signed, I recognise why so many wealthy adventurers trusted OceanGate. After all, Stockton Rush put his money where his mouth is and was aboard the Titan on every Titanic dive. His presence alone would have reassured them of the sub's safety.

[@Fingabang]

It was a good idea.. Once i made a car out of spaghetti. Everyone laughed at the idea, even my wife.. Should have seen her face when i drove pasta.

[@scottnelson2384]

Wanna fly in my airplane? It is made of hemp and is controlled with an iPhone app.

[@ray.shoesmith]

Carbonara fibre?

[@matthewday7783]

Then you got the idea to penne comment about your experience.

[@SticksAandstonesBozo]

If only you used a 20 year old Logitech pc controller you can find in a good will bin. Maybe you would be alive today.

[@conzmoleman]

Is there anything new in this? I feel like it’s been covered to death.

[@VonnieKH]

This is the best documentary that I’ve seen on this disaster so far.

[@benjaminrodriguez7356]

Good documentary 💯

[@beestingza]

It's just rehashing stuff that's been said over and over since last year.

[@annemariefrank]

Ditto. Great piece, added information (I didn't know about the testing routine) and didn't embark on sensationalism.

[@Evolvingwithin777]

Agreed. The man from California really explained this well. It is still really heart breaking to know this could have been prevented.

[@French_Dumpling]

@@Evolvingwithin777fascinating guy to listen to!!

[@hueypju]

Excellent and informative production, thanks so much

[@stevenzilinsky3766]

A year later this story is still compelling as it ever was, and I am still totally and utterly drawn to the Oceangate saga. It will endure as a cautionary tale for generations.

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

Are you watching the trial at all?

[@distracting_games]

They keep saying MacGyvering the submersible, when it was mor accurately MacGrubered.

[@oragamiowl5031]

Exactly! And MacGyver's stuff actually worked!

[@RoyJNg]

@@oragamiowl5031 It WOULD have work except for the hull going beyond the rated depth. For all we know the depth limit for that garage build submarine might have been like 50 feet or something before stress comes in, but who knows....

[@wlsmojo]

He could’ve got a high-end joy controller, but he deliberately went to the cheap knock off Logitech controller, just to brag that it was riskier.

[@adogg9782]

Yea MacGyver never failed

[@gwcrispi]

MacGyver was an idiot. He step over a functioning fully loaded firearm to make a device out of a ballpoint pen and a hair scrunchie when multiple lives were on the line.

[@rogerdodger9910]

Post tragedy, the most infuriating part for me is how so many people strung along the public to actually believe there was a chance these people survived. All the insiders, including the navy and coast guard knew the sub had imploded.

[@nbrown5907]

Bodies to retrieve? no bodies after that pressure sorry.

[@ElijahAngwin]

Implosion- explosion then implosion

[@a.avcier8277]

Even the microscopical pieces of body would have been consumed by deep sea creatures I am afraid. Nothing goes to waste

[@blackpajamas6600]

I think it's possible slivers of bone or smears of blood could have survived (not to put a macabre spin in things). Beyond that, I agree nothing really survived.

[@charlieross-BRM]

@@kms08711 "Presumed human remains" is not bodies. It's organic goo, maybe teeth, and maybe hair. Nothing resembling a limb, let alone a body. The same as the World Trade Tower dropping on top of people, times 10 the the nth power, and in the WTC they found goo they put in bags.

[@GrahamCStrouse]

@@kms08711Uh, no they didn’t. Not really. There bits that used to belong to human bodies.

[@morganghetti]

Most of the men on there were adults and knew the danger. What bothers me is the man talking his son into going. I'd never convince my child to participate in something so dangerous.

[@martinwhite418]

What did you do when you found out it was dangerous? Who did you tell?

[@tommydingo1h547]

Well it end in a disaster didn’t it since they’re disappearance

[@tomnguyen9931]

Maybe he knew it would be the end and he wanted company so, he don't become a FAILURE all alone.

[@dianabeurman364]

I know

[@skorpion7132]

The big problem is they were sold a lie in the first place. I do however take an issue with the fact they had to sign a waver that meantions 'death' more often than the word 'the'' or the like. Still, they were told that, while its a risky undertaking, it would be safe to visit the boat at those depths. Even though the truth of it was thats it was more like a balloon ride where the balloon was on fire. 1 guy knew and ignored the myriad of warning this was probably gonna happen. 1 guy knew there was a possibility this could happen 1 guy knew the risks were very severle 1 guy went on a fantasical thrill-ride 1 guy was coersed.

[@A_H_R]

At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Boeing actually DID consult on the titan

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

Lmaooooo 💀💀💀

[@danieldevito6380]

It's crazy seeing videos of Rush knowing that he was literally turned into a clump of oily mush right above the wreck of the Titanic.

[@XiaoFury]

The Titanic also met its fate due to an arrogant Capt who thought nothing could bring the ship down. The irony.

[@Ultinarok47]

To be fair, this is a misconception about Captain Smith. Nothing he did the night of Titanic's sinking was inappropriate or out of place for the time. He was not, in fact, trying to set a best time across the sea like it's been suggested; he was operating the ship at normal speeds. Other ships sending warnings and being disregarded was not because of Smith, but because the wireless operators were sending personal messages to loved ones at Cape Race on behalf of wealthy passengers. They were so encumbered by it that they turned away the warnings. The iceberg wasn't visible until they were within 500 yards because of the stillness of the ocean that night and the lack of adequate moonlight. There was no time to evade it even at normal cruising speed. Smith's biggest problem was not leading an orderly evacuation and being indecisive; this led to many boats being launched at less than full capacity by his officers.

[@a.w.thompson4001]

This reminds me of the story of Icarus: don't make wings with wax and fly too close to the sun. Now we have the story of Rush: don't tell an entire industry and experts within your organization that they're wrong about danger when you're carrying paying customers whom you have lied to about their safety. Thank you for this documentary.

[@syon2009]

famous last words ......"....you're still gonna be safe..."

[@glennwebster1675]

You are remembered by the rules you break..... Stockton Crush.....

[@civlyzed]

"Remember him?, he was delicious!" - Random Spider Crab.

[@Tom_Hagen_]

Cant break the rules of physics, apparently...

[@Daria_Es]

The same as Donald Trump soon will be remembered.

[@ECapitalE]

Hysterical. Sorry rude, but hysterical

[@Tonegates]

He was stopped and crushed

[@babyboy770]

Famous last words, "this will be one of the great moments in submersibles." This is still such a sad story, completely preventable. Honestly, the son is the one that hit me the hardest. Just the fact that he was uncomfortable going and only did it to make his dad happy. People keep talking about furthering scientific exploration, but these were not scientists; they were Titanic enthusiasts. Yes, what they were doing could have been useful to the scientific industry if they had followed the correct policies and procedures. I guess they helped by showing what not to do. The fact that every single expert in the industry, worldwide, said what they were doing was a terrible idea and he ignored it says a lot about the person he was.

[@cw2256]

I agree; in addition, the woman who lost not only her son but her husband as well must have to live with the fact that she must have given her son permission to go on that voyage with his father. I could never have done that.

[@clockeanemascarade4957]

The fact they waited 10 hours before calling the coast guard said it all. Losing contact only 2 hours after submerging really? That's a massive red flag.

[@NoodlesR6]

The guys on the ship knew it imploded from the moment there was radio silence. They kept that poor mother in hope and wasted resources with the "rescue attempt".

[@Whatreally123]

Well they couldn't just not search right? That would be unacceptable and without proof, how would they prove what had happened. What couldve been done was for the media to also say that the worse could be a possibility but they also needed to milk the story. Look at how much money has been spent on searching for MH370 and still nothing. At least in this case, the families have closure.

[@GaiusCaesarAugustusGermanicus.]

Note to self, never use “gate” in naming anything.

[@m.h.6499]

💯

[@GrahamCStrouse]

What about Gates McFadden, the actress who played Beverly Crusher on Star Trek: TNG? She’s a good gate…

[@jtucehok]

what about exegate?

[@bdbeaudette]

@@GrahamCStrouseshe’s an exception haha

[@kenfrievalt7826]

Heavens gate. Water gate.

[@v.cortes1817]

I really like listening to the gentlemen who explains submarine development and safety. His experience is apparent and his voice is soothing

[@axle.student]

9:00 Even as a non-engineer I know that carbon fiber is not suitable for compression situations.

[@Frankthetank-zr5mc]

I immediately thought of kindergarten when we wrapped a balloon with glue and string. The string held the balloon fine, but it squashed when we popped the ballon. I cried.

[@axle.student]

@@Frankthetank-zr5mc They show it in the video later. It's like rope, if your stretch it and pull something it is strong, but if you put a piece of rope between something and try and push with the rope the rope just buckles up. For aircraft and space craft that are pressured from the inside the carbon fibers stretch and work with exceptional strength but not for containers with the pressure outside :( > But yeah, the string on the balloon analogy is spot on. It's sad that this ocean balloon cost 6 lives over something so simple :(

[@3beltwesty]

Wonder when man discovered you pull with a vine or rope rather than push? 50000 years ago?

[@TttTtt-zo7kt]

@@3beltwesty Yep. The Neanderthals kept lassoing cave bears, then trying to push them away with the rope. And look where it got them.

[@mynamejeff4883]

They knew almost immediately when they imploded, exactly what happened. They all knew they were gone but went through the charade of a rescue anyway.

[@adamheywood113]

It's a tough choice. Typically you can't just assume people are dead.

[@rosscampbell1173]

@@adamheywood113they heard it on sonar. They knew immediately. The led us on for a week!

[@stargazer7644]

If by "they" you mean the USCG, then yes, they had strong evidence. But the USCG doesn't give up on people until they know for sure they can't be helped. You should be happy about that.

[@mynamejeff4883]

@@stargazer7644 I meant all involved. The navy confirmed an implosion triangulated to the site of the Titanic. The Coast Guard was notified at the start or near to it. The crew on the surface ship had to have known. One hour would be twice as much time as anyone else would have waited to contact the authorities and they waited twelve. I watched the day after it all started to go public when James Cameron openly said that he had a Navy source that said an implosion was heard, and that they all knew there was no rescue. I understand perfectly that the Coast guard can not just give up until definitive physical proof was found, but that then brings up that they knew exactly where they were diving and that is precisely where the wreckage was found. I understand that it took some time to get anything on site that could reach those depths to find that wreckage and verify but in what world is that ok? There should have been at minimum an ROV capable of reaching depth on hand and a back up plan for possible rescue including a trained crew with all equipment necessary right there before ANY dives took place, especially with passengers. He had been offering trips to multiple social media influencers in the weeks and months leading up to that event, obviously trying to drum up attention and likely to promote his “tours”. Mr. Beast specifically was offered a spot on that exact dive. Setting all of that upsetting negligence and irresponsibility it had to be torture for the families to hold out hope that the searchers and the company responsible knew was very unlikely even if they wanted to consider the Navy’s information unconfirmed. They could have and probably should have been honest and said what the reality of the situation was but that they were not going to give up until they found them one way or another. It has been over a year and at least as of a few weeks ago the Oceangate company has not even made a single condolence call to the daughter of P.H. Nargeolet. There is no excuse nor justification for what happened and very little if any at all for how it was handled after the fact. Many involved were just following orders but someone gave those orders and made bad decisions. I _am_ glad that the Coast Guard did not give up and they shouldn’t have, but that isn’t the issue I have, it is the lack of honesty involved and the unnecessarily added pain caused to people that just lost family members that I had and have issues with.

[@jackedpowers4962]

@@stargazer7644 People in desperate need of help almost never get a sliver of the help that these people got, despite the odds of them being alive being near zero. It's not the ethics of the coast guard, it's that society has decided that billionaire lives are worth far, far more than ours..

[@WingsOfDay]

24:54 The titanium hull failed? I thought the hull was carbon fiber. Confusing.

[@nategreatgames78]

I feel like Rush was really insulted when the reporter laughed at the game controller. He legit though they had some great ideas and were being innovative not defiant

[@bluedistortions]

An off brand Chinese game controller, no less. Saved $30 vs. using a real PlayStation controller like the Navy sometimes does. And I'm pretty sure the Navy doesn't trust anyone's life essential functions to Bluetooth. I have no doubt he had zero manual control backup options for anything.

[@user-tj7nb9fu9t]

​@@bluedistortionsNavy had heard the sound of implosion and didn't want to share information with other agencies

[@user-tj7nb9fu9t]

Navy knew what happened,they had heard the sound of implosion

[@bluedistortions]

@@user-tj7nb9fu9t what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

[@Trending_News_Kenya]

The fact that the reporter laughed at the control pads is so astonishing. It is like he sensed danger 😅

[@stargazer7644]

No, he sensed dumbassery.

[@joantsey]

I like the tone, serious and calm and not blaming anyone but making the best suggestions to deal with the issue!

[@erinthesystem9608]

It sounds as though Mr.Rush seriously misrepresented to his own clients the potential risk they were taking. Now Stockton Rush will be remembered, but not thought of in the way he'd hoped: not as an explorer, but as the headstrong, cost-cutting businessman who ignored the concerns of everyone around him, costing four other people their lives in the process.

[@stargazer7644]

Perhaps you might want to actually read the waivers his clients had to sign before flapping your lips. They're available on the internet.

[@erinthesystem9608]

No, thank you.

[@SpecialBlanket]

@@stargazer7644it doesn't matter. Simply making smtg available to the public carries an implication of safety. Some things cannot be legally waived. Also ppl are desensitized to waivers bc they cover everything possible... the question is whether the people signing could have reasonably foreseen the outcome regardless of the words said.

[@stargazer7644]

@@SpecialBlanket Apparently it does matter as indicated by the fact there hasn't been a successful lawsuit against Oceangate.

[@nothobbesmufc949]

@@stargazer7644waivers can't be used to cover up for gross negligence. maybe understand THAT before flapping your lips.

[@matthewday7783]

This guy, Elizabeth Holmes & Sam Bankman Fried are almost identical characters in their own respective fields. A wise person can spot them from a mile away. They come with the same warning signs.

[@CDForney]

Arrogant, cocky, and greedy. 🚫🚫🚫

[@newhorizon4066]

Motor mouth, eyes that "see" thru you.

[@nlwilson4892]

Sadly, a lot of the world think being ambitious with a can-do attitude are good characteristics. There are a whole load of disasters the wouldn't have happened if people listened to engineers saying "we've got a problem" rather than the "positive thinkers".

[@whatsthebigfndeal]

Holmes and SBF were just con artists running pyramid schemes. I think Rush actually believed his own nonsense.

[@kaiyote7924]

6:44 THAT IS AN INSANE STATEMENT. Back when they still thought they were alive they were literally COUNTING DOWN THE HOURS OF OXYGEN THEY HAD LEFT!!?? What do you mean SAFE? In any thruster loss that would be grounds for an operation abandon/evac to surface. Light loss or power loss is also extremly unsafe!? Calling the coast guard for a lost submersible is not like calling an ambulance; its takes days.

[@peecee1384]

He was living in a deluded world of pure arrogance.

[@benwilliams647]

Stockton Rush, you are not missed. The other victims I will say Rest in Peace. But you?! Never. You brought your folly upon yourself. Pride cometh before a fall. And it came for you. May you never be remembered or grieved.

[@janetphillips2875]

His family and friends may feel different.

[@Bob-nc5hz]

Damnatio memoriam would be appropriate, if not for the warning Rush provides to others. You're not invincible. You're not immortal. And you might be blazing new trails, or you might just be rushing to your grave. At least have the decency to jump in it yourself, and alone. Stockton did at least have the decency to jump in it, I find Söhnlein's quotes in incredibly poor taste, the guy seems completely insane. Even more so knowing he's also funding a *Venus colonisation project*.

[@grudge0132]

I completely agree.. his wife was signing all those documents to make this thing.. she was beside him all the way.. but I guess she did hv grandparents who died on the titanic so she would know more then the rest of us sad humans, like her husband .

[@Amber93012]

This man lost his life as well. He did not mean to kill those people and himself. Please have respect. His poor family.

[@Topper_Harley68]

@@Amber93012 Everyone that works with subsea equipment knows you should test the equipment many times the operation depth numerous times. There is no excuse for not doing this and a deadly rule to break.

[@ffs7313]

The man speaking during the last quarter of the documentary is so well-spoken and intelligentl.

[@bamadad53]

Didn’t catch his name but I love the way the gray haired gentleman with a goatee so eloquently and “politely” called Stockton Rush an “incompetent a hole”. One of his quotes…and no truer words have ever been spoken: “If your country cares someone has to watch the gate…don’t let em out exploring the Artic in speedo and sandals”. Someone SHOULD HAVE stepped in and shut OceanGate down before Rush m3rdered 4 people.

[@k.edwards3138]

I'm sorry about what happened especially for the young lad who didn't want to go, but I agree with the lady who survived, it's a grave site and should be respected as such, its not an attraction.

[@stargazer7644]

Oh I don't know, when you go out in such a stunning act of Darwinian selection, others SHOULD view it and remember.

[@DewiDavies-dp2um]

Oh yeah very similar to people going to austwitz or the US arizona or the bridge on the river kwai ect

[@sister_bertrille911]

Guillermo Söhnlein, who co-founded OceanGate with Stockton Rush, just announced that he wants to take a team down to the Bahamas' Dean's Blue Hole. What could possibly go wrong?

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

No 💀💀💀

[@mofomartianp]

32:10 the most fascinating part of the entire doc. Submersible testing is pretty thorough and stringent. No wonder Stockton wanted to skip the hard part.

[@carmattvidz4426]

Ah the Titanic. Ridding the world of billionaires for over 100 years and she still going.

[@skorpion7132]

Like the old lady said: leave that boat alone. Its a seaman's grave and should not be disturbed. Which in certain ways is curious because I seem to remember there IS such rule (or something like it) that prohibits people from doing similar thing to old 16th/17th century vessels.

[@BornIn1500]

It didn't rid the world of billionaires. You think their money just disappeared?? LOL. It just got passed to others in their family and called an inheritance. As much as you'd like your communist ideals to flourish, their money stayed exactly where it is,

[@cw2256]

The story of the Titanic has fascinated so many people through the years; myself included; however, I would have no interest in seeing the wreck of the ship up close, especially crammed into a submersible. The photos taken so far are enough for me.

[@mitchellcotton7346]

Most of the victims of the Titanic were not Billionaires (Even when adjusting for inflation). Most of them were lower-middle class, emigrating from the UK to the US in search of a better life.

[@restitvtororbis5330]

Ocean Liners were not cruise ships, and even the most luxurious Liners carried as many if not more lower class passengers than they did upper class. People in first class had more spacious quarters on the higher decks because they could afford it, and that means that they were more likely to be able to evacuate than the lower class accommodations on the titanic. The titanic sinking was remarkably ineffective at "ridding the world of billionaires" and killed an order of magnitude more lower class passengers than there were billionaires that were even on board (adjusted for inflation we're talking a handful). None of the crew, and the overwhelming majority of souls who died couldn't have dreamed of becoming millionaires. How many innocent working class people are you willing to sacrifice to slake your thrist for bourgeois blood? And for what? For their tycoons to go to someone else just like them?

[@Tabbychu]

A tragic (but avoidable) wreck caused by greed, arrogance, and hubris, occuring on a dive to view a tragic (but avoidable) wreck caused by greed, arrogance, and hubris. I don't think the irony of it is lost on a single person.

[@dianabeurman364]

True

[@2009SONICFAN]

Last time i checked. Titanic wasn't made out of greed, arrogance or hubris. It was made to compete with lusitania and Mauritania. The steel was well made. The crew knew what to do in emergencies. And the reason for so few life boats. Was due to outdated regulations.

[@nlwilson4892]

The bulkheads were originally designed to go higher and would have stopped it going down so fast, giving help enough time to get there. The owners ordered the bulkheads to be shorter so they could have more big open spaces. As for the lifeboats, the regulations did not account for a ship of that size but there was nothing stopping them putting on enough lifeboats for everyone on board, they chose not to.

[@Tabbychu]

@@2009SONICFAN In terms of Titanic I was moreso talking about the captain and crew- ignoring ice warnings because Smith thought he knew better, speeding up despite the warnings because he (and probably Ismay) wanted to get into New York a day early, and the officers launching lifeboats half full or less, costing lives that could have been saved. Having more lifeboats wouldnt have made a difference in the end, because they barely had enough time to launch the ones they DID have.

[@stargazer7644]

Only in an Alanis Morissette kind of way.

[@chreg89]

This is like holding a feather and expect to fly, when jumping out of a plane.

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

Lmaooooo 😂🤣😂🤣

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

I don't know about that. The scary thing about this experimental sub is that it WORKED! It went to the titanic and back at least a couple of time before catastrophe. It would actually have been better if Stockton was less competent. At least then only him and his somewhat culpable employees would have been put at risk in initial testing.

[@ecpracticesquad4674]

There was never 96 hours of possible survival. Anyone that knows anything about subs knew there was never any rescue to be had.

[@jeremiahbacon3651]

do some research on more sub rescues...anyone that knew anything about "this " sub knew it was gone

[@eroero830]

@@jeremiahbacon3651 it's still here in our hearts ;)

[@gakm4931]

At the time the public did not have any verification of an implosion so it could have been an electrical failure where coms and motors werent working meaning there was a chance for a rescue operation. We may have infered a catastophic failure by what we knew about the sub. Now if we had known about the sound picked up by the ocean sensors right away then an implosion would have been the logical thought.

[@izzatfauzimustafa6535]

Obviously so bad was the legacy of OceanGate, that its former employees and anyone who used to do collaborations with Stockton would rather had their faces censored from photographs featured in this documentary. They don't want to be associated with a submersible company that is forever being infamous for the deadly implosion and the woefully amateur-ish construction of the Titan submersible.

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

Oh damn, didn’t even realize that’s who they were censoring 💀💀💀 Thanks for pointing that out!!

[@randallbowman2930]

"You don't let someone explore the arctic in speedos and sandals" That goes too far. Let crazy people do whatever they want as long as it doesn't put anyone ELSE in danger.

[@philkasafir.]

9:12 "carbon fibre doesnt like to be pushed, it likes to be pulled" - makes it even more alarming how people still got in it. He literally bought material from boeing designed for the exact opposite purpose. The pressure 35,000 ft up isn't 2.5 miles below the ocean 😂 crusing altitude is nothing, titanic dept is around 400 atmospheres.. insane..

[@mitchellcotton7346]

I'm guessing you meant 0.34 atmospheres, not 3.4. The pressure inside the cabin is about 0.8 atmospheres. This pressure differential causes the air inside the cabin to push outwards on the body of the plane, creating the stretch/pull on the carbon fibre which it is good at resisting.

[@philkasafir.]

Typo 😎​@@mitchellcotton7346

[@stargazer7644]

"crusing altitude is around 3.4 atmospheres," Erm, what? It's 1 atmosphere at sea level. It goes down from there the higher you go.

[@josue_kay]

You're talking out of your backside. If carbon fibre "didn't like being pushed," Titan wouldn't have made 12 or so successful dives to the Titanic. So carbon fibre clearly can handle being pushed. What Ocean Gate failed to appreciate, is the high level of degradation caused to carbon fibre under high cyclic stress, which has to be addressed in the design and testing phases regardless of materials used.

[@stargazer7644]

@@josue_kay No, in fact, carbon fiber can't take being pushed. The resin in the composite was the only thing keeping that sub together. Carbon fiber composites are strong in tension, not compression. You're right that composites also have the complication of how they fail.

[@pourtoukist]

It could be titled: "The man who thought he was stronger than physics"

[@sharonwhiteley6510]

Someone with technical skills and technology should prevent these experimental sightseeing tours from operating so willy nilly. Why was the response time so slow? Why didn't this sub even have an unmanned vehicle with it tracking it? Why did the Coast Guard and different navies allow these families to think there was hope? It was cruel to lead them on for such a long time.

[@3rdDrawerDown]

One thing that annoys me (even in this video) is news outlets constantly making a big deal out of the fact that it was steered with a video game controller. This is actually not uncommon. Fun fact: There are active military vessels with systems that are operated via an Xbox controller. This is for a number of reasons: They're easier and cheaper to obtain, program, and replace; they save space compared to a large control panel; and they're easier for operators to learn, as many people these days grew up on video games. Yea, OceanGate screwed up in pretty much every way possible, but that wasn't one of them.

[@JoeOvercoat]

Fact. That it was a wireless variant is what blows my mind.

[@stargazer7644]

The problem is these devices are being used in a safety of life system, but they aren't designed or tested to be used at that level. I guarantee you no safety of life system on a military vessel uses an xbox controller. A competent manufacturer will use systems that are tested commensurate with the level of reliability needed in the application.

[@bolikde9389]

Did you took a look at the Consoles that are being used on Submarines ? Like the one James Cameron used ? There is probably a good reason why there are so many buttons and switches.

[@TttTtt-zo7kt]

"Yea, OceanGate screwed up in pretty much every way possible, but that wasn't one of them." Wrong. Taking anything touched by Microsoft aboard your death-defying submersible definitely counts as screwing up.

[@multiverserift]

The magic words are: Redundancy and protocols. Xbox controllers have none. If you ever had problems connecting a bluetooth device and don't know where to begin troubleshooting, let me assure you: You don't want that in a life or death situation. If something goes wrong, you want 1. an unambiguously clear error code in a log that you know or can look up 2. a redundancy that can take over 3. a clear protocol to follow, so you know exactly what to do An Xbox-controller is literally a toy. No redundancy, no error output, no protocol. If it breaks, you're fucked.

[@m.h.6499]

I didn’t know the 19-year-old had to be talked into going. I’m not sure why that makes it worse, but it does (imo). According to this docu, he didn’t want to go, and was pressured into it. 😞

[@StraightouttaBristol]

Pressured? Poor choice of word. Yet 100% true, such a terrible incident 😢

[@m.h.6499]

@@StraightouttaBristol omg, you’re right. 😬 I was so not thinking. 😔

[@chynnadoll3277]

His father shamed him into going 😢.

[@foobarrel9046]

He was pressured into the sub and also out of it - the circle is complete.

[@isabelgaynor2589]

How much did that entire recovery mission cost and how many people risked their lives to try and recover the Titan? Only that teenaged boy deserved all their efforts. Not one of those men had a sense of logic.

[@TSIXGaming]

how smart can this guy be he glued steel end rings to carbon fiber tube and then hinged heavy titanium hatches off the rings

[@awgilliam]

Exactly - this was the failure point IMHO. That pressure penetrated the glue and pried off those end caps.

[@SeriousSchitt]

@@awgilliamGuess the occupants could then actually reach out and TOUCH the Titanic… that’d be a ‘world first’.

[@williammoreno2378]

He had titanium end bells, why not the main cylinder, also? A lot better than the carbon fiber.

[@captjim11]

​@awgilliam I disagree, from what I've heard the carbonfiber failed. Basically had a small crack that expanded and boom.

[@TSIXGaming]

​@@captjim11 yeh it could have been a fault anywhere in the fiber tho they had cable penetrations coming thru the fiber into the cabin also a hairline crack anywhere especially where the steel rings would expand at different rates to carbon and epoxy i saw one dive the sub went into the water at an angle and the passenger filming inside was standing on the hatch door but compared to fully welded titanium spheres that was like a diy paddlepop raft those people had deathwish to go in it

[@debbie4you]

This tragedy sounds like the premise of a low-budget movie now that I think about it.

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

Yeah 💀💀💀

[@sweet_amir]

R.I.P for all the victims in that depth.

[@pennylanghorn6712]

Stockton Rush was nothing short of crazy The accident was unconscionable

[@patb5266]

Rush was an arrogant fool. He straight up lied about NASA and Boeing having anything to do with that deathtrap. It's amazing it lasted as long as it did.

[@djmastergroove946]

Who in the right mind would go down to such depths without proper testing. He knew he was doing everything wrong but carried on regardless. It was a fatality waiting to happen. It wasn't a question of if, it was a question of when! And took the lives of 4 other people in knowing that.

[@Mububban23]

The Titan submersible will go down in history (no pun intended) as a landmark like the Ford Pinto. It will be studied in engineering and ethics textbooks for years to come.

[@kakeau]

Omg, I watched it yesterday and it disappeared, I thought I had lost my mind for a whole 24 hours. Glad to know that I did not, in fact, lose it. Great documentary too.

[@7news]

Just had to fix up a minor sync issue! Thanks for watching and commenting

[@robertmclean5356]

Fix up your major racist and war criminal defense issue while you’re at it?? Or is Kerry stokes still a little bit butthurt about his best mate the murderer?

[@StarkRG]

28:00 "You can't lie on your website." Oh, I assure you, it is entirely possible to lie on a website.

[@dakapo8985]

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

Lmao I think he means it’s ethically wrong to lie, and that even though he lied about testing the sub, a dive doesn’t constitute or substitute the testing that other subs who follow the rules go through. He can say whatever on his website, but the paper trail- or lack thereof -about testing doesn’t lie. As my dad used to say, “sayin’ so don’t make it so” lol. And that’s the point that guy was trying to make. Not “you can’t lie on your website” meaning “businesses are always transparent Or Else” but “you can’t lie on your website” meaning it’s easy to fact check and expose (as they’ve done in this documentary).

[@Evil.Totoro]

8:50 the analogy of how carbon fibre is great under tension but bad for compression by his example is great. The media should have used something like that to explain the dangers of carbon fibre when the disaster first happened.

[@TheMeJustMe75]

They had unqualified people designing and building the sub. They skimped on durable parts and electronics. The sub was never fully tested. The test was taking it to the Titanic and that test failed. People/companies are so worked up about being the first in something that common sense is left out of the equation.

[@stargazer7644]

The sub made about a dozen successful trips to the bottom.

[@garybrisebois2667]

@@stargazer7644 from what ive read, it only made two dives to that depth before, the others were shallower?

[@stargazer7644]

@@garybrisebois2667 You need to get your information from better sources. The Titan made 13 successful dives to the Titanic at 3840 meters. It made 4 other attempted dives on the Titanic site that made it down between 1300 and 3300 meters including the final one. It made one 2900 meter dive at a different location. It made at least 21 other dives shallower than 200 meters. This information has been publicly released by the US Coast Guard investigation.

[@garybrisebois2667]

@@stargazer7644 depends what you mean by "Titan", as the hull was replaced in 2021 and it seems few deep dives were made with that hull prior to the 2023 incident.

[@stargazer7644]

@@garybrisebois2667 ALL of the dives I listed were done in the hull that was lost in 2023.

[@the_wildbadger]

Closed captions on this video are really poor for a professional news agency. How hard would it have been to check them?

[@TheJadeFist]

25:42 "If their bodies will ever be retrieved", ya, there's no bodies to recover. The had the equivalent force of a bunker buster strapped to their chest crushing in on them. Infact an implosion is more dangerous than an explosion, because all that force is directed inwards. They were liquefied instantly.

[@stargazer7644]

"Their"

[@MikeNBikes]

stockton was operating on "chill bro, I got this"

[@NorthzYT]

What I hate the most was how he brought up the statistics of other submarines and using that as a basis for the safety of his own project, completely sidelining the fact that regulations are to thank for this high success rate.

[@ImGinaMarie]

When a graveyard becomes a tourist attraction, it is a terribly sad day for humanity!! 💔 To be clearer..it's sad that lives were exchanged for the price of a ticket where greed and fame was the driving force.. My hope is that no one takes part in ANY part of a profitable gravesite. 🙏🏻

[@Dougie1969]

Yeah That's just not the reality of the story. If that were true, people would be selling tickets into cemetarys.

[@AcanthaDante]

​@@Dougie1969Some people do consider the Titanic to be a mass grave because over 1000 of the 1500 who died were never found. There is evidence that at least some were on the sea floor (there are photos of a pair of shoes and a jacket on the sea floor that were likely on a body but the actual corpse was eaten by marine microbes). There is a theory that if the engine room or any other areas created a hermetic environment there could even be intact corpses down there.

[@ImGinaMarie]

@Dougie1969 exactly what their intent was here, sell tickets for the site! Normal cemeteries don't have the history the Titanic does

[@Dougie1969]

@@ImGinaMarie That was my point. Visiting the titanic wreck isn't like visiting a cemetery, and it's not "sad for humanity". People are enamored with the entire story of the Titanic. I don't think there's a thing wrong with wanting to see it in person. Just like people visiting civil war battle sites, or Auschwitz or Hiroshima etc. Most normal people are going because it's part of history. People dying is part of it my friend. Have a good night.

[@ImGinaMarie]

@Dougie1969 I should have elaborated more on my original statement, it's a sad day when someone can become rich at the expense of innocent people who trust in them. Selling tickets to hallowed ground for profit is disgusting. If you want to be enamored with the story and visit, do it at your risk in a sailboat, don't sell tickets!! My friend..