Balancing Nightmare: The Problems with the Opera Singer / Identity V Discussion

[@frostnight1740]

it's like dream witch honestly.Opera and witch is in the position where the devs just can't find anything better to nerf from them rather than just thing like interactions speed or atk speeds...And what make matter worse is that even if they somehow find a way to nerf them , their core concept of gameplay would still break the game

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

that's a perfect summary right there

[@sohkhoonchuan2420]

Infinite of anything without cooldowns is crazy. Having some sort of limit to how much she can dash (either dash counts like Percy or stamina bar) allows her to keep her good abilities without being too overbearing. Just imagine a Ripper that gets a new fog blade every time it hits or Luchino getting a jump cooldown reset for not crashing into trees

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

yea exactly, the design for opera is really made to make her underpowered in the end

[@idontsm0ke]

I still wish her ability had something to do with her being opera singer

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

true tho, sound beams idk lol

[@shiroiku9314]

They could rework the way she works like they've done with characters like axeboy

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

yea it's just a matter of when and how

[@sanskrits]

the thing with her is that you can clearly tell she was designed with the intention of shaking the meta from day 1, her abilities are all super straight forward and clearly meta oriented, giving her tools to counter almost all type of kiting methods or anything. what i think would balance her indeed is an energy bar as other people said, like with luchino

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

yes energy bar is definitely the way to go, like even make it regen quick whatever but at least give it a limit when you said that she's designed with the intent of shaking the meta, now that I look at it I agree with you, but me personally I don't really like them doing that sort of thing, BC now pro play is very stale although sure she's rly fun to watch, but watching opera all the time just isn't it. but it's either that or they are just left with rly insane new designs now we never know hopefully goatman isn't gonna be anywhere like her, and ivy

[@sanskrits]

@@elesenal_Idv-Discussions yeah it's kind of boring to see how in tournament 90% is either ivy or sangria... but you can clearly tell those hunters were intended to be meta, same way antiquarian was basically intended as the ultimate hunter nightmare LOL with ivy you can kind of see some creativeness atleast, but opera's and anti's kit are really straight to the point of being meta and nothing else

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

true

[@dr-weeb]

She is meta only because every other hunter except ivy is underpowered, as they can only win if survs make 2+ grave mistakes, so it's impossible to properly balance her because of the game design

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

what this person said ^^

[@princehaxar4814]

This is what we call "Balanced Nightmare" :DDDDDD

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

yes exactly nightmare wanna be one of em too

[@princehaxar4814]

@@elesenal_Idv-Discussions Balanced nightmares are either Impossible to balance or need a whole new Concept... Hopefully opera doesnt need a whole new concept/kit because she honestly is kinda fun. I still dont like kiting her , but atleast she's not bullshit like geisha dashing through walls-... Although the meter thing that the top comment said is a really good idea.

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

ik what a balancing nightmare is lol, but yea honestly she has tons of problems, with you saying it's not like geisha, but imo she's harder to play against cos geisha at least you have counter play, opera is just pallet spam or you counter her, like that's definitely not it

[@princehaxar4814]

@@elesenal_Idv-Discussions Which survs do you think can counter her? honestly i have been getting good results with painter against her. But maybe other harrasers can work against her-?

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

I'm not sure abt harasers cos as a batter main unless the spot is good for me, or I'm full health plus the spot is decent her dashing everywhere and then teleporting back is a big pain speaking of her counters tho, the ones I've seen the most from pro play and some tournaments is acrobat, imo antiquarian works well too cos obviously opera can only normal attack, professor kiting wise but he's prolly only little bit above decent at best can't think of any more off the top of my head rn

[@sage9949]

Enjoying the content! Keep it up :)

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

thank you so much!!

[@krosalar]

i watch your every videos not knowing it’s you and i always get amazed how you have such low subscriber count. you are awesome!

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

Thank you so much aha I've only just started like a month ago, but hopefully I'll get more attention soon. have a nice day!

[@raffa4792]

what if they put a limit bar for her shadow leap, like Luchino has for his jumps?

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

that's one of the solutions I saw from another day too, and I think that would really make her balanced rightaway, she would stop being a nightmare in skilled players hands like right now, and actually have a limit. although if they did that they might have to rework shadow dance and the cloak too, and revert some of the nerfs. but honestly it really is the best solution than just nerfing her over and over until she becomes unplayable for most.

[@uckhoinguyennguyen3814]

Yeah, like its so strange how Luchino has that limit bar, but not Sangria???

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

they probably thought that its restriction on having to dash with walls is enough, obviously its not

[@ethangalen271]

Honestly, I'm just here laughing cuz i remember when everyone said she'd be C tier lol

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

I didn't watch any vids on her release so I know nothing ABT that lol

[@ethangalen271]

@@elesenal_Idv-Discussions not videos but more like comments

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

ohh I'll check it out then

[@Creeper_my_oc_]

Her s tier was my first limited s tier

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

wow nice, I love her s so much too but I don't have it unfortunately

[@gb_020]

she is balanced.... you just gotta take advantage of her bad hitbox

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

there's a clear reason why she's perma pick/ban in pro even after all this nerfs and the survivors counter picking

[@aidangaming8952]

Talk about ivy? I want to hear more XD

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

that'll definitely happen soon

[@chubsdubs3665]

Opera scawwy 😢

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

opera traumas gon bite me fr

[@CocoMo-TheMimic]

what if they made it so that you cant move when u are in the shadow realm, you can only dash, and they removed teleport

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

to my understanding that'll kill her completely, and also even if the dash is op, I doubt much people would play her anymore, cos it's unenjoyable. but the other point absolutely not I can't tell if ur being sarcastic tho

[@CocoMo-TheMimic]

@@elesenal_Idv-Discussions or what if they made her the same speed as survivors? like nurse from dbd. so she cant keep up without her leap. and her leap is on a bigger cooldown. and she gets punished if the survivor doesnt get hit after she exits shadow realm

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

I don't rly know abt that one but if they made her speed the same as survivors she's gonna have to have so many buffs with the leap otherwise she's just dead, her leap being longer cooldown prolly won't do too much, but the last idea of her being punished after she exit the shadow realm if she don't hit anything, might honestly just balance her, cos dashing, attack, dash again to get distance is kinda crazy but uh sounds doable (I'd rather her stay dead or at least underpowered tbh)

[@astro7372]

she would be left with only slow palette breaking and 9secs cooldown dash , wouldnt that make her an instant loose hunter ?

[@astro7372]

@@CocoMo-TheMimic she would still be dead and that means it would leave her with only dash and defo a loose for the hunters as the survivors can have borrowed time , knee jerk reflexes and others

[@ninjin8048]

Opera Singer is not High Ceiling, relatively ez to master and not much diference between a newbie opera from the competitive opera, unlike dw leo or mad eyes

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

high skill ceiling doesn't mean they're hard, it just means their highest potential is relatively high dw mad eyes are on a different level lol

[@renietheloser]

WOOHOOOOOO

[@chubsdubs3665]

Do video on batter pls

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

maybe in a long time he's far back on the schedule

[@Pinkcinnabon]

Why did they add her if she never can be balanced

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

literally. the only explanation is what sanskrits said in this comment section "she was designed with the intention of shaking the meta from day 1" which I'd say is probably right, but honestly is somewhat of a questionable decision

[@Jupiter_da_nerd]

They gave her a skin with a crown and yet she becomes weaker, pallets counter her very much. Idk y ppl cant see that ( theyre bad )

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

there's a reason why she's always pick or banned in pro for first game along with ivy, although her stats somewhat low now, but her abilities still makes up for it because it's fundamentally broken

[@aaronatkinson177]

Can you please make a video on goatman when he releases please 🙏 😭

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

I'm working on a first impression video on him already so stay tuned for that XD

[@taroarts5715]

I think she's in a good place especially after her recent nerf...you can see that in her recent tournaments She seems to be good at consistently getting ties then 4k which I believe Is the best gonna get with her In a professional setting But she'll probably still be nerfed in the future Which I think is kind of a shame She already has some reasonable counter If you're smart And she can easily be punished for messing up We only have 3 top hunters Let us have something🙏

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

the reason why you only see her getting ties consistently tho is also caused by the fact that the survivors can and will counter pick her to lower her potential, but even then like she don't get hard countered anywhere like novelist vs gamekeeper and that, but yea ig she's more balanced now in pro play but at the same time she's still prioritised for a reason so like idk we'll see in rank on the other hand counter picking is less unless ur in tier 7 and ban her anyway lol

[@taroarts5715]

@elesenal_Idv-Discussions Even so she can still be countered by Cipher rush and pallet mind games and moving to open areas since she's relatively slow outside of shadow I think the big problem just lies in survivors not knowing how to adapt officially I'm not saying I'm any better but She's a lot more manageable now

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

well yea the open area one that just reminds me of that one thief kiting opera forever in the open in COA this year loll but yea I agree w what you said there, she becoming just a consistent tie hunter too is kinda unfortunate at the same time

[@taroarts5715]

@elesenal_Idv-Discussions It's kind of deserved... but then again the hunter meta kind of dwindling Dream witch and ivy are kind of a lot of work especially now So I'm just hoping the upcoming hunter can save us With how many meta survivors we STILL have And the constant survivor buffs I think we a good solid hunter That can be good without being busted

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

it's definitely deserved the survivor buffs are just insane tho it's always been like this, right now is prolly better compared to back then but even then it's still crazy, they're just coming up with new ideas and it gets worse one after another. but their creative designs like opera and ivy, it's healthy for the game but at the same time with the limitless potential as long as the pros practice enough, there really isn't any reason to pick characters with a low skill cap, especially when they don't give up consistency either hopefully the goatman will be balanced in that regard, either high skill cap but sacrificing consistency, or lower skill cap but being extremely consistent. even then there's problems with that I wonder how netease will fix that

[@SnowOWOwhat]

:)

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

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