Why Would Aliens Be Here? With Avi Loeb and Robin Hanson

[@EventHorizonShow]

Let us know what you think of this format with two guests. Also, should we do live streams? Discord server? Tell us what you think.

[@mattparker9726]

Live streams, no, they are obnoxious, and not really fit for your channel, I think. (however, I have 267 subs, so what do I know?) Discord, yes. So I can talk to you directly, I HAS IDEAS!

[@JoFuSoA]

Having Avi is great in any format.

[@pinocleen]

Yes to all except for Discord, but that's just me.

[@keelie7747]

I think a live stream would be fun so that viewers could have a chance to ask questions at the end. However, I think they should be more of a once in a while sort of thing.

[@csehszlovakze]

I think the current edited format works a lot better for the show than doing it live, audio quality would be a lot worse, too!

[@mafianoodles]

thank you for the upload. it's 330 am - im a single dad - this is the only time i have to myself. you the goat!

[@EventHorizonShow]

Thank you for watching

[@Peter2k84]

Godspeed

[@benbarada2882]

You are not alone hombre.🫡💪

[@aserta]

Good luck wrangling the little creature(s)!

[@michael7v6]

Rock on!

[@rikkafe6050]

The difference I feel between Robin Hanson and Avi Loeb is that Robin is projecting human thought onto aliens motivations where Avi feels we can not really understand Alien motivations because we have no idea what they are, if in fact they exist or not. We should just explore and see what we find and that exploration should not be bogged down by any preconceptions.

[@mattjack3983]

Yeah I think that a pretty fair and accurate assessment of it. I agree.

[@karathrace8101]

That's why I often can't listen podcasts with Robin for more than 10 minutes. This time he was more flexible and "open minded" than usually and it surprised me.

[@MCsCreations]

Well, they'd need to go through evolution, like us... And evolution also selects behavior. So, yeah, they'd be aliens... But they'd still be some kind of "animal"... Or plant, who knows.

[@PetraKann]

Both assume aliens exist without any evidence

[@spindoctor6385]

You have to start with some kind of assumptions or you can not even begin looking. There is so much data that you need to prioritise what you look at. Why look for radio waves rather than gravitational waves? There is a danger in anthropomorphising aliens too much but we have to start somewhere

[@JacobSmythYT]

Please bring 2 guests on, even if they don’t have completely opposing views and allow them to talk, just like this more in the future. 10/10

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

Oh yes, this specific approach is now part of the show's overall approach.

[@HanSolo__]

@@JohnMichaelGodier Neat

[@jinglyjones1677]

I must have said this several times before, but your intro is a masterpiece. The format, the "you have fallen into Event Horizon", the music. Such a vibe.

[@EventHorizonShow]

So happy to see this. That’s exactly how it was designed to work.

[@TicTac2]

has anyone played Baldur's Gate. the voiceover lady sounds like the voice actor for shadowheart a little

[@archmage_of_the_aether]

Roll a Saving Throw, ​@@TicTac2. Roll 2 dice, no reason

[@RemmelttenNapel]

Indeed ❤❤❤

[@Libertaro-i2u]

It's certainly iconic.

[@zackmesey]

Avi, "this is a battle I'm willing to die for". That's the type of man I want at the forefront of this topic

[@JO-lx9bx]

He’s going to be the commanding general in the coming war on aliens. trust me, I’m from the future.

[@Libertaro-i2u]

A battle to stop humans from becoming toys for the extraterrestrials to play with.

[@MsPichiPichi]

This is now hands down my most favorite video on YT and I'm a chronically online person who watches so many YT vids everyday. Thank you so much for bringing this to us, John! And thank you for the super interesting discussion, Profs. Loeb and Hanson!

[@EventHorizonShow]

We are so glad you enjoyed it.

[@jeffmosesjr]

@@MsPichiPichi agree 100% JMG is one of the best creators YT has.

[@deborahgale]

he has olther channels as well

[@katherineacosta9640]

For a child of the '70's it's increasingly hard to outdo oneself. This is one of your best episodes! Love the format and your guests almost as much as you!

[@thundy308]

JMG and Event Horizon is a gem of KZbin!

[@allwynmasc1]

@@thundy308 what's jmg?

[@subspaceanomaly]

​@@allwynmasc1the initials of the guy with the deep voice who's youtube channel this is

[@jeffmosesjr]

@@thundy308 so many people that are interested in these topics don't know about this content... JMG and event horizon are criminally underrated

[@civviBeats]

Coffee, snacks - ready for some JMG

[@keithmetcalf5548]

That's a comfortable place to be ✨️✨️✨️

[@morbidcorpse5954]

Can't listen till bedtime. The only way I can enjoy alien podcasts.

[@keithmetcalf5548]

@morbidcorpse5954 man, I can listen to alien stuff all day and Night haha..

[@MCsCreations]

Not yet for me... But soon. 😊 I had dinner too late, I'm still full. 😬

[@episodenull]

Why would they be here? To turn into late-model GM cars and trucks.

[@EventHorizonShow]

"We live among its people now, hiding in plain sight, but watching over them in secret, waiting, protecting"

[@vera02]

Comedy is subjective but this is objectively the funniest comment

[@sabineb.5616]

​​@@EventHorizonShow, well, it’s possible that non-human intelligent beings do observe us, while trying to hide that they are here. Is that idea unlikely? I don't know. Is it impossible? Most certainly not. I have downloaded a short video clip which was made a few years ago by Russian scientists, and l always tell people that the video shows grabby aliens who arrive with a strange vehicle, and they grab someone in order gather informations. They attach a small technially sophisticated device before they let their prisoner go. And then they depart in their alien vehicle. It's a textbook alien abduction scenario, and it definitely happened - - - in the Steppe of Mongolia, and the strange vehicle is an old Volkswagen van. The aliens are Russian biologists who chase down and then capture a totally bewildered Pallas cat. When l watched this video for the first time, l thought that they wanted to kill the poor cat. It wasn't immediately obvious that they were scientists. But they just check the weight of the cat, and then they put a gps-collar around it’s neck. There is a very compelling moment when the cat and the biologists look into each others eyes which are strikingly similar because Pallas cats don't have slit pupils. There seems to be a moment of compassion and understanding. Then the scientists let the cat go and monitor it's movement for a while on a screen. Then they leave in their van and the cat runs away speedily. And it might think:"... if l tell this at home, nobody will believe me" 😊 There are other videos which show remote-contolled robots with a camera. They look exactly like emperor penguins, and they move around in an antarctic penguin colony and record their behavior. The penguins don't seem to realize that they are monitored by another species. And the scientists try to find out if it’s possible to protect the habit of these fascinating birds! My point is of course obvious: for other species we are the aliens. Biologists try to hide their presence as much as possible. But sometimes they have to capture an animal in order to collect more data. While it might be improbable, it's not impossible that it might happen to us. And most of the time the aliens hide their presence. But once in a while we notice them. Maybe they disguise themselves as hominids or they have managed to develop humanoid androids which are capable of monitoring us. They might be oblivious to the fact that these small grey androids or bigfoots freak us out 😊 I am of course speaking tongue-in-cheek cheek - but it helps to reverse the roles and construct scenarios which feature humans as aliens.who either observe and protect while trying to remain in the background, or who are violent and destructive. This doesn't touch the question how and when these hypothetical aliens got to our planet in the first place and how their technology works. But the Pallas cat doesn't understand how the van of the biologists works! Why do we assume that we are capable of understanding how alien technology works? Chimps are one of the most intelligent species of our planet, and they actually fabricate and use some clever tools. They are also able to communicate with us - but they will never be able to understand how our technogical devices work. Their intelligence has limits. Our intelligence has limits, too!

[@danybloke1]

So they are waiting for Elons robots and Tesla cars 😂

[@realzachfluke1]

That was AWESOME, I just finished it. Ugh, what a treat, thank you all so much.

[@EventHorizonShow]

We are glad you enjoyed it!

[@pinocleen]

@@EventHorizonShow Just started watching but it's Avi and that deep voice guy! Plus, an interesting guest. :D

[@pinocleen]

Thank you for a fantastic show, everyone involved.

[@charleswest6372]

Very intelligent video. 😊

[@FesteringGhoul]

Robin- “the aliens are trying to persuade us not to expand.” Avi- “So they are the academia.” What an amazing glimpse into reality that is.

[@call_in_sick]

Reality!! Lol

[@JFK47x]

Avi Loeb has jokes!

[@Libertaro-i2u]

Like if extraterrestrial races would give a damn about humans expanding into their own solar system.

[@BaronVonMunch]

Robin began the show telling us that academics were about prestige as opposed to information and just wanted to associate with the right people. He basically said they were always full of shit and then proceeded to prove it.

[@ohio5605]

That was awesome. Thank you so much for inviting us to be part of it.

[@EventHorizonShow]

You're very welcome!

[@user-oo6ty1yq2l]

John truly is a national treasure. Always wishing him the best.

[@OnMyWaytotheFLA]

I love this debate format.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Should we do more episodes like this?

[@BitcoinMeister]

@@EventHorizonShow This will be hard to replicate. These 2 are in the top tier of guests. Attempt it every once in a while. It is nice to learn about new/not so well known guests from them answering your questions.

[@kingcarisma]

JMG is a treasure we can’t lose

[@Roguescienceguy]

God damnit. I was really planning on sleeping

[@EventHorizonShow]

Not yet!

[@mattjack3983]

LOL Same thing happens to me all the time. Getting ready for bed...then JMG drops a new video. Then I got make a sandwich and stay up a bit longer

[@floccinaucinihilipilifications]

😂 fortunately (?) for me, couldn’t sleep fighting a respiratory bug. Coughing and listening till sun comes up.

[@Roguescienceguy]

@@floccinaucinihilipilifications get well soon, guy with the epilepsy inducing long ass nickname

[@Richard-pd7rp]

😅! 🙏🧡

[@valw3212]

Wow, fascinating talk. Love this format. Pose a question and let them have at it. Thank you. ♥

[@EventHorizonShow]

Should we do more like this?

[@AndrewBlucher]

​@@EventHorizonShowYes, provided you can find suitable guests.

[@valw3212]

@@EventHorizonShow For sure. Loved it!

[@jimmyzhao2673]

@@EventHorizonShow I feel like I'm sitting at a coffee shop and part of the conversation.

[@gerardlynch8099]

I enjoyed the free wheeling discussion between these two academicians. Definitely should do this genre once in a while.

[@I-am-sparticus]

If aliens can get rid of you tube ads... go aliens!

[@robotaholic]

0 commercials with youtube premium

[@CommonSenseCriticism]

Aliens got rid of my ads like 5 years ago. I just give them 15 a month.

[@DominicRyanOsborne]

​@@robotaholic are you comfortable though with funding KZbin when they do such questionable things

[@ze_kangz932]

They can accomplish that by wiping us out. Be careful with what you wish for...

[@chronosmagasaurus2813]

@@robotaholic Yes feed the belly of the beast that feeds Granma and Granpa those scams ads...

[@tycho_m]

What a treat to have access to a free show on science and futurism with such a humble host. Thank you for all you do. This setting of "moderating" a conversation between two people is a very nice addition to the usual formula of JMG and one guest!

[@FesteringGhoul]

I SEE THESE NAMES ON AN HOUR AND A HALF LONG JMG EPISODE AND I HAVE CHILLLLLLLLLZ!!!!!!!!

[@Mr88BAA]

Such a rare thing nowadays to hear sincere and thoughtful “opposing arguments”. There have been very few discussions that I’ve listened to where I found myself agreeing with points on both sides. Extremely refreshing. Well done JMG, I would love to see more of this format.

[@EventHorizonShow]

More like this coming soon!

[@Craneman4100w]

An hour and 24 that semed like 15 minutes. Thanks for making this happen John.

[@EventHorizonShow]

We’re glad you enjoyed it!

[@DeepakKumar-tv1dc]

Great episode John , keep up the good work! Really liked the back and forth between them.

[@tellesu]

I am fascinated by this topic and have my own opinions about it but I love hearing what other people who think about it constantly have to say.

[@EventHorizonShow]

What are your opinions?

[@tellesu]

@@EventHorizonShow pulling material resources from system to system is always more expensive than recycling what you have at home with fusion/solar. The one valuable resource is novel data, largely for training better science AIs. Alien visitors are ai because biologicals can't be copied and interstellar flight is extremely long due to no FTL. Aliens don't fill every ecosystem because they aren't stupid and know about monoculture and its danger in a complex environment. They don't colonize because the observer effect will taint the data, which is the valuable thing. Species hit stable equilibrium for population well before they run out of resources at home. Dyson spheres and such are magical thinking and ultimately not needed. There's more but that basically gives us what we see: between six and dozens of visiting probe ships with different designs but some common techs, like some kind of magnetic/reactionless drive. They don't talk to us much but did let us know nuking their data and wiping the biosphere wouldn't be tolerated (there's stories of UFOs shutting down silos from both ussr and usa). They are waiting until we have agi/asi at which point it will be able to analyze our existing data and point at the aliens. Then the gig is up, observer effects is off the table, and they'll talk to us. There's more but that's the core of it.

[@TheElectronicDilettante]

This is one of the best episodes you’ve produced. Your ability to allow your guests to engage freely with each other, without steering the conversation or interjecting with pre-planned questions, is something that should be taught in schools. In a traditional Q&A format, we would never have had the opportunity to listen to two of the greatest minds of our time engage in such a dynamic and thought-provoking discussion on these prolific and controversial topics. Thank you for this episode. Regarding interstellar travel over distances measured in light years, has any work been done on using AI to develop a navigation system that could plot a course en route, utilizing gravity assist or gravitational slingshot maneuvers to achieve the necessary speeds for such vast journeys? Additionally, could these same techniques be used by the AI to slow the spacecraft as it approaches its destination? Such a system could also prove invaluable in avoiding obstacles along the way, ensuring safe passage through the immense distances between points A and B. Just a thought. JMG and his learned guests, really get the mind going. Thanks again!!

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

I very rapidly realized that the professors had the conversation in hand, and I could just take a seat in the audience and enjoy it along with everyone. That was fun and absolutely fascinating for me.

[@oldetymebiker2405]

That was brilliant. I really enjoyed the conversation continuously flowing, bouncing ideas, asking questions. A great pair of guests and host.

[@MennoniteAbe]

This channel is so important. You don’t hear this kind of content anywhere else. Thank you so much.

[@MViper757]

Avi's opening xD

[@RealBelisariusCawl]

I got coffee, I got some mint fudge biscuits, and I’ve got some green. Let’s go

[@civviBeats]

A perfect night inside. 🍃

[@PopularesVox]

Mint fudge biscuits sounds yummy

[@JariDawnchild]

Now I want some mint fudge... Going to go find a recipe.

[@thedudeabides3138]

Please pass to the left 😉.

[@arsemyth8920]

That's how ya do it

[@I3eb0]

This was absolutely awesome and intelligent. Great job on hosting these two fine gentlemen

[@Hellgareth]

Shouldn't become the default, but I do like the occasional debate between mulitple guests ... I would have loved for you to interject and moderate a bit though, but either way will be great if done occasionally!

[@spiritassociates8695]

The quality of this channel's content is consistently high. But this episode was extraordinary!

[@billfrehe6620]

One of the best episodes I’ve seen on this channel, well done!

[@audiofool4u]

I think they are here for the music; best in the galaxy.

[@drmayne2071]

This is epic Avi Loeb is doing great things for the science community.

[@phils4634]

Extra-terrestrial researchers might visit us for the same reasons we visit remote areas. They are interested in the life-forms and ecosystems on our planet. They might also be interested in obtaining actual specimens for further investigation, and possibly as a source of novel genetic sequences - just as we are doing right now in our remote areas. They are certainly NOT here in order to "Plan an Invasion" by any means (sorry to disappoint the mainstream Sci-Fi fandom!)

[@EventHorizonShow]

Interesting thought!

[@darstar217]

This is kinda what I thought, but I can’t know for sure.

[@MCsCreations]

I agree that this would be the most probable scenario... But we'd be screwed up anyways.

[@Ekrindul]

I think it would depend on how frequently they are encountering life and how unique life is on different worlds. If you were walking through the woods and had never seen a bird's nest, you'd probably climb a few trees. But after a while, if you've seen one nest, you've seen them all. I also have a theory that a civilization capable of very high-level technology will more likely than not be hive-like, without a great deal of free will, or else they will destroy themselves with their own technology. If this is so, they may not concern themselves with anything that doesn't advance their own kind. We obviously pose no threat and have no tech of use to such a civilization. They might not see any point in stopping by.

[@tellesu]

I agree. There is nothing we have that they want other than the data they get from observing us.

[@SnackPack913]

I love hearing two intellectuals have a stimulating conversation. This was great

[@stuartcollett3252]

The aliens got rid of the dinosaurs with a big rock because they got boring to observe. We are still interesting to them.

[@Libertaro-i2u]

Just wait till the aliens have several planets and moons in our solar system to watch!

[@kdaleboley]

Robin Hanson is the brain I enjoy the most. I hope their are may EM's of R.H. in the future.

[@chromabotia]

An absolutely brilliant conversation. Wow...

[@johnminichielli8957]

I'm 74 years old, and every time I hear conversations like this, I realize how fortunate I and my two friends were at the age 15 to have seen aliens in a huge saucer shaped craft so close we could identify everything about it except where it came from and how they got here. I knew immediately, even at that age, that they used a form of travel totally unknown to the human species. So to hear this speculation on propulsion travel across linear distances seems misplaced. The best human explanation I've heard for intergalactic travel would be the alien ability to create gravity and, therefore, bend space and time around them, allowing them to move to points in the universe almost instantaneously. When we see them making extremely high-speed moves and changing directions at right angles at speeds that would make humans and objects implode upon themselves, they could only do this by moving space and time around them instead of moving their craft linearly through our space.

[@CTFlink]

That was amazing. Genius format. Thank you so much

[@EventHorizonShow]

Glad you liked it!

[@jeffmosesjr]

I have listened to this one 5 times already. Dare I say this is my favorite show of yours.

[@jeffmosesjr]

And I would have quietly listened also. These two minds are next level.

[@hellwardenwot5148]

The smartest species in the universe could live on an ocean world, stuck there forever without the ability to advance technology wise.

[@johnfyten3392]

That would definitely suck

[@JariDawnchild]

Makes me feel bad for octopi. Octopusses? Didn't a plural change recently?

[@KevD_]

The word is Greek and not Latin. "Octopi" is incorrect. The correct plural in English is "octopusses".

[@PosthumousAddress]

​@@KevD_Octopodes?

[@PosthumousAddress]

​@KevD_ Or octopussy (which have beaks so maybe not)

[@afonsosantos8364]

Probably your best episode in a long time

[@OhAncientOne]

"It's like politics there are believers and there are skeptic's" 29:45 How accurate a description, except he left out the third group. Those who actually know what is real. We don't have to "believe".

[@miketheburns]

just hearing your intro got me super excited for this one and I had to give a like right away!

[@ledarbyromeo9667]

Heavy eye roll for Avi at 3:52. Lol right off the bat.

[@whnvr]

ugh, ikr. it is hard to debate ideas, not people, when some with avi loeb's attitude and track record are around.

[@jeffmosesjr]

@@ledarbyromeo9667 the joke is so pretentious but I think he got some laughs with it at some point.

[@biohazard8295]

​@@jeffmosesjrits the classic cheesy joke a professor makes. Don't think it's pretentious 😅

[@randalljsilva]

While we’re conjecturing…consider metaphysical/paranormal aspects of life and consciousness: if there is such a thing as a soul and a soul is required for consciousness, then that would set serious limitations on extra-solar travel. For instance, you’d have to physically transport bodies (or part of the body) and you’d have to master stasis and long term body care.

[@Zeusetck]

Critical thinking points

[@scottashe984]

Many of the visitors to earth aren't using rockets to get here. They can cross the galaxy quickly. We are like slugs to them. And we won't understand thier motives anymore than an insect knows what we're on about..

[@mcmoose64]

I get a real " how many fairies can dance on the head of a pin" vibe from this conversation.

[@sisu413]

@@mcmoose64 three. The answer is three 🤭

[@wallacesconiers7922]

This was a REALLY good episode. Two respected academics debating this fascinating topic without bringing in any “woo-woo” factor. Please, if possible, do more just like this with others that are willing to SERIOUSLY talk about the ET/UAP topic!

[@michaelstoliker971]

And then all the aliens swiped left.

[@Libertaro-i2u]

And said "yeah, that planet ain't worth our time".

[@CaspersGhost618]

Yeah they made us, then got cold feet and dipped 😂 ​@@Libertaro-i2u

[@Curious_Skeptic]

You should have millions of subscribers! Great guests (well, mostly Avi)!

[@againsteternity110]

Nice! Thanks for this, dude!

[@EventHorizonShow]

You are very welcome!

[@The_Swordfish]

Dr loeb is a brillant man asking great questions I love hearing him speak. Ive never heard of robin hanson but the man is also very smart and open minded ill be looking into him. But thanks again john you have done a great job and im always grateful you give these people/topics a platform. 10/10 video

[@EventHorizonShow]

Thanks for the kind words, we agree.

[@keelie7747]

Perfect for my day off!

[@EventHorizonShow]

Awesome!

[@MCsCreations]

Brilliant interview and debate, John! Thanks so much!!! 😃 We NEED more debates like this! We need new ideas, so we can explore them! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

Yes, and there will be more. If the debate is cordial, the host does not need to intervene.

[@CosmicMage]

A common sci-fi trope is a species evolving to the point of becoming pure energy. If that were the case maybe living inside of a star once you've become pure energy is where it's at. And then much like not being able to see the abundant human life in the Amazon because of the tree cover, we also don't see the abundant life in the stars.

[@MichaelHayward-w5k]

Keep up the good work John! You have some of the best content on the platform.

[@jimmyzhao2673]

*Great admiration* for Avi Loeb, he goes out 'into the field' to investigate, he's not an armchair astro-physicist.

[@alfonsobredosis]

Well... It's becoming less and less possible to call him an "scientist". And that's a negative thing.

[@PosthumousAddress]

​@alfonsobredosis Doing scientific investigations in the field makes him unscientific? Or the fact he's a renaissance man. Francis Bacon would have confounded you.

[@alfonsobredosis]

@@PosthumousAddress Come on, going with "It was the aliens" without any real evidence, it's unscientific. He's more of a clown than a scientist.

[@user-kn2cf3yo8t]

​@alfonsobredosis nope your statement is absolutely and undoubtedly incorrect.

[@TheDavidPoole]

​@@alfonsobredosisHe's no clown. He has put forward a possible idea of the source of IM1 and has raised funds for a scientific study to find evidence of what it might have been. Science.

[@oatlord]

I had started to think of Avi Loeb as another History Channel commentator.... now I respect what he says about just finding all the facts and deciding from there.

[@0x2d2]

@@oatlord why would you think that? Because of his thoughts on oumuamua?

[@oatlord]

@0x2d2 he was kinda the go to scientist for all things ufo and alien there for awhile.

[@0x2d2]

@@oatlord fair enough, I think a lot of his statements were taken out of context and probably just jammed into YT shorts etc. I never really found myself thinking he was crossing into pseudoscience. IMO his argument was just that the community was too quick to to completely disregard the possibility of intelligent life and he just wanted to everyone to keep an open mind.

[@alfonsobredosis]

@@oatlord He is. The meteor search in the bottom of the ocean and his conclusions, he was just missing a medium on his expedition 🙄

[@BaronVonMunch]

He seems to be the opposite of the academics that Robin described. Avi only cares about finding the truth and isn't just interested in prestige and being associated with the right kind of people.

[@ericb2017]

Wow my three favorite people to listen to on KZbin all in one sitting… 🎉

[@cavetroll666]

Thanks for the viedeo cheers from Toronto

[@EventHorizonShow]

Cheers back to you!

[@TheGroundedCoffee]

What an awesome episode. It was a pleasure hearing these two intelligent gentlemen having this thought provoking conversation. I always like that you let your guests finnish speaking, even if an answer can sometimes take 15 minutes. It's respectful refreshing. This time you hardly said anything and it was probably one of your best episodes I've ever heard (no offence, John! We all love hearing the sound of your voice!).

[@simonallan9941]

They're not actually aliens, but our ancient advanced ancestors, who did survive the last couple of apocalyptic extinction events, knowing the best place to shelter and survive, without losing their knowledge like us.

[@davyheijlands1956]

This is a great format and I love the work of both Avi and Robin. It's fascinating to listen to acadamics go back and fort between ideas. This conversation could have gone for another two hours for me.

[@JohnnyWednesday]

If there are intelligent beings and limited habitable worlds (with a finite life) then Earth may be a musical chair.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Explain some more?

[@pandoraeeris7860]

Once a civilization becomes space faring, it won't remain biological. "Habitable" therefore takes on a different meaning.

[@JohnnyWednesday]

​@@EventHorizonShow - Sorry John, I shall elaborate on the thought. Let's say there are 10 inhabited worlds, with Earth being one of them. One of those worlds will eventually be at the end of its life - the local Star expanding or some other catastrophe. That leaves 9 worlds and 10 civilizations. Musical Chairs - there would suddenly be one less chair and somebody isn't going to get a seat. One civilization may inhabit many worlds - technology may enable then to live in a greater variety of places etc - so it's hardly concrete - but it harkens back to War of the Worlds "intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes" Maybe a species with a dying planet, want to live on a planet (we probably would) Maybe only a subset of species want an 'Earth' - but sooner or later a species will find themselves on a dying world. Assuming no FTL? that gives them motivation for generational ships, and potentially invasion.

[@xiaodingjones1554]

@@JohnnyWednesday So, move the world to a better star. There are lots of stars. Invasion is...chancy. What if you lose? Yeah, Earth is weak, but some superior species might take exception.

[@JohnnyWednesday]

@@xiaodingjones1554 - You're assuming that they would be capable or that the long frozen planet will still suit their needs when it finally gets to a new star. There's also the case of distance - maybe there are plenty of worlds but their ships can only sustain them long enough to reach the closest. Which may be Earth.

[@progrob27]

309k subs, blimey John, how your channel has grown. Nice job, I love the old channel too.

[@rebjorn79]

I upvote my own comments. Because I can. Please upvote this post. Also, JMG rocks.

[@DungenessCarbs]

How dare you! Invoke JMG to gain upvotes.... now I must do so 😄

[@Davey-Boyd]

Absolutely awesome chat. Thank you all

[@jones7299]

Oh man oh man wow like wow Dude

[@jk5385]

I think that the use of the word "drone" when referencing UAPs is a subtle nudge by these intelligence communities to make the phenomenon more palatable to the masses. Its a sort of rebranding to skirt around the stigmatized language associated with UFOs etc. If the govt started with "UFO's spotted around NJ", the laymen would likely disregard the story just as well as a story told by their crazy uncle that claims his dog was abducted by a UFO. Its a subtle, but perhaps highly purposeful change that will have people listen. Just a thought about your conversation at the end.

[@bojankotur4613]

If we don't get USS Enterprise in some 200 years, I'm not interested :D

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

Or Normandy SR2 by the 22nd century, I'm not interested either.

[@TysonJensen]

Lol, but srsly warp drives are actually an *answer* to the Fermi paradox. Who would warp over to some random useless rock when you can warp *back in time*? Any warp drive would also be a time travel device. The simplest time travel answer is that when you do it you create a new timeline. Which means every crazy crackpot religious group could go get their entire own timeline on a version of the very planet on which they originally evolved. And in that timeline's future, any more splinter groups could just do the same. Fermi paradox. Answered.

[@gekkobear1650]

Please go away and leave the Earth alone then

[@AshleyJames-hr7yl]

Respect to everyone

[@primeral]

3:50 perfection

[@DanielDennett-l9n]

“And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere up in space cos there’s bugger all down here on earth”. Monty Python said the same thing in 1983, in The Galaxy Song. But coming from a Harvard professor I found it grating, as did calling Fermi’s question “pretentious” immediately after. It’s just a question, and a very fair one given the countless hours spent on it by channels like Event Horizon. Loeb has a tendency to rub me up the wrong way, for example pushing Oumuamua as an alien ship when most likely it was a lump of nitrogen with some outgassing

[@timad11]

John- this was impressive. Two highly intelligent guests, discussing a subject(s) politely, without talking over each other. Also, John giving them space to talk without feeling the need to be the center of attention. Rare for a host. I learned from both of their viewpoints. Very well done! Thank you.

[@realmattusa]

Beer, cigar, lets go!

[@EventHorizonShow]

Cheers!

[@wayne8872]

What a fantastic debate, loved it. One of the best I've ever listened too. Thank you.

[@vera02]

I want to like Avi but he has been making wild claims and achieving zero evidence for decades.

[@sn-vj5wx]

I want to act like I’m a positive person and see the best in people, but I can’t help being a cynic and taking out my frustrations on the Internet.

[@faheyplayer]

Yeah, Harvard makes sure their scientists make wild claims, or have no evidence before they install them in critically important leadership roles.

[@kh2716]

@@vera02 decades, really? I think you're talking nonsense there.

[@mike7652]

​@@kh2716At least 20 years, so yes, decades. Maths are hard, right?

[@rossmcleod7983]

I have had personal confirmation of extraordinary things, but cannot provide evidence other than testimony. Science must find that extremely annoying.

[@ocalicreek]

Wow. The conversation I never knew I needed to hear. Thank you, gentlemen.

[@theomnisthour6400]

Some fools won't believe in UAPs till one knocks on their door and starts giving them directions.

[@DanielDennett-l9n]

I think we all “believe” in UAPs since there are always unidentified things. Presumably you mean visiting aliens, which is a much bigger stretch and for which the evidence is remarkably poor

[@anderslarsen4412]

And some fools believe they're aliens without any evidence at all. Some fools will simply default to aliens any time there's anything unexplained. They would have called comets and meteors aliens. That is not productive or smart in any way.

[@JWS117]

This was brilliant, all event horizon and jmg videos are brilliant, but having multiple guests having such deep and interactive conversation was a treat

[@RavenTD46]

I have an open mind, but people keep walking in trying to sell me crap. 😂

[@JariDawnchild]

I'm stealing that lmao.

[@micky8ball]

This was an amazing episode. Saved

[@vapormissile]

Tldr: "Maybe" "If" "Should" "Someday" "I wish" "Why"

[@jackhand4073]

What’s your point? I would be suspicious if they were making exact definitive declarations and so should you. It’s all theory crafting and hypotheticals? You’re obviously not a scientist.

[@jach8047]

This format is great. More please.

[@LeMAD22]

Love JMG, hate Avi Loeb.

[@beefandbarley]

Well that was great. Thanks for hosting and sharing Loeb and Hanson: three great minds. 👍

[@nigelhirth2181]

I see a lot of people in discussions about first contact woth a bouble standard regarding aliens and attributing motivations to them that are too human. They often say things like, "we can't presume that aliens would think or behave like us" whenever the discussion is about peaceful or neutral interactions, but are very quick to assign our worst impulses to aliens to make a point on why contact could only end badly for us.

[@hypotheticalaxolotl]

Many of our worst impulses (xenophobia, territorialism, quick-to-anger and -violence) are rooted in evolutionary pressures. We have little reason to believe an alien planet with a biosphere remotely similar to ours wouldn't have similar pressures, and so assuming they have the same instincts isn't unfounded. Caveat: a space-faring (especially interstellar) civilization may not be so rooted in their evolutionary history as we are. Genetic engineering and mechanical/digital minds instead of or alongside the alien citizenry could lead to a less evolutionarily defined suite of instincts. Caveat the second: Many of our best impulses (cooperation, empathy, curiosity, an expansive in-group) are also rooted in our evolutionary background as a social species, and it's difficult to imagine a civilization developing without a socially cohesive society. So it's hits and misses all around, really.

[@Syv_]

Perfect video to listen to as I start my work day.

[@chrisw.5138]

Because I love the channel, I gave one more chance watching something with Dr Abraham 'Avi' Loeb. I'm a bit tired of him and his neverending need to look down on others with nothing else in his pocket than sophistry and wild assumptions as if they were actually confirmed and true, but never providing any evidence.

[@hypotheticalaxolotl]

You're more charitable than I am. I pretty much never watch anything with AL in it anymore. I get enough navel gazing from myself in the shower, I don't need it from some credentialed hack.

[@grahamgreen166]

Loved the episode. Loved the way the guests worked together. A pleasure to listen to.

[@Xxxx-d4z]

If aliens are thousands of years ahead of us, why are they looking ugly ?

[@tellesu]

Humans are topologically just a donut distorted into a series of branching cones with a bunch of random ass fiber extrusions, it's honestly vomit inducing.

[@JohnnyWednesday]

We have only become more destructive as we advance. How different will we be in 1000 years? probably still fighting like we are now and 1000 years ago.

[@JariDawnchild]

​@@JohnnyWednesdayIf we last that long lol.

[@Art-is-craft]

@@JohnnyWednesday It is very unlikely that humans will not alter development with advanced technology. The idea that in 1000 years of development we would act the same as we did in 1066 is bordering on the absurd.

[@biohazard8295]

​@@tellesuthis is so funny.

[@brianrawleigh7242]

John this to me illustrates a key part of your overall ethos for this program, the distillation of knowledge and thought about these events to us in the general public. You continue to set the gold standard for intellectual honesty and respect for the different streams of thought about this content. Can't thank you enough, you have a dedicated listener here and I recommend this channel constantly.

[@Lee-hq6tf]

Avi Loeb is my favorite crackpot. Thanks for having him on yet again to speculate, and further muddy the waters of the unknowable. 👍🏻

[@animistchannel]

Well, that's got to be the ideal podcast/interveiw opportunity. Just wind it up for a minute, and let it run :)

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

That's exactly what I thought here.

[@tellesu]

Why does Robin Hanson think aliens that are smart enough to cross interstellar space will not understand one of the most basic principles of biology (ecosystem overrun)? He expects super intelligence to be as smart as bacteria. He moves the goalposts so often Uhaul wants to sponsor him.