Why Would God Punish Jesus for My Sins?

[@DanielApologetics]

Jesus says about His life in John 10:18 - NO ONE TAKES IT from me, but I lay it down of MY OWN ACCORD. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to TAKE IT UP AGAIN. This charge I have received from my Father.”

[@theoskeptomai2535]

HOW did you come to conclude that this Jesus ever existed?

[@swagbear9965]

@@theoskeptomai2535 the evidence is in the historical accounts in the scripture and non-scriptural sources. God made it evident for all. I hope this helps

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@swagbear9965 What historical accounts?

[@swagbear9965]

@@theoskeptomai2535 the New Testament are historical documents. Written by real people that were tortured for the faith, as there are many historians that talk about Jesus and the disciples that wrote the books. There are also non-biblical historic accounts of Jesus, including Josephus, Pontius Pilate, and others. You should look into them. Even non Christian scholars agree that they existed and were well documented.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@swagbear9965 Who exactly was tortured for his faith?

[@aprilleak4356]

The people in the comments have opened my eyes. They do not wish to receive the gift of forgiveness. They would rather die for their sins. 🤷🏾

[@Laze-Mz]

we all die

[@tamlynburleigh9267]

Clear, precise, well presented.

[@rickriley332]

How much God loves us who are guilty! Thank you, Jesus!

[@aveleedeleon7694]

God loves us and expects us to forgive 70x and 7 yet he must see His perfect Son be brutally murdered in ordered to forgive us? I use to believe but not since going on my quest for truth. God has always forgiven us. He’s far too good to do something as barbaric as human sacrifice. It’s only the Luciferians and Satanists who practice it today. Make that make sense!💞

[@TheTemplar168]

Another point that should’ve been added was that if we were responsible for paying for our own sins, none of us would succeed and get into heaven. We are human, and therefore prone to sin. No matter how hard we try and be good, lead a pure life, we will all fall short. Jesus is the only one who could do it, and the only one who could absorb our sins and pay the punishment on our behalf

[@nicholascarter6543]

Fact

[@CristianoRonaldo-li9gu]

Shameless

[@JaimeRempel]

in which case jesus death would not have been necessary. so your argument fails.

[@yobelamandaputra9534]

​@@JaimeRempelWhat r u talking about?

[@IaMD.B.]

I just don't understand why the fact that we're flawed and sometimes do bad things, means that we deserve to suffer in eternal torment. I understand really bad people like murderers, rapists, child abusers, but why me? A generally decent person who tries to do good, even if sometimes I fall short? Why do I deserve the same fate as the murderer? Either A) I don't actually deserve such a terrible fate, and therefore there's a sense of injustice in god's judgment. Or B) I do deserve it, and if that's the case, then shouldn't I accept the punishment and serve my sentence with dignity, instead of scurrying to safety under Jesus' wing? If someone can explain to me where I'm wrong and what I'm missing, I'd really really appreciate it. This is the one logical problem that I can't seem to wrap my head around, and the major reason why I'm not yet a Christian. If someone can help me understand this, I'd convert.

[@Needlestolearn]

In Islam, god states that: إِن تَجْتَنِبُوا۟ كَبَآئِرَ مَا تُنْهَوْنَ عَنْهُ نُكَفِّرْ عَنكُمْ سَيِّـَٔاتِكُمْ وَنُدْخِلْكُم مُّدْخَلًا كَرِيمًا If you avoid the major sins that you are forbidden, We will absolve you of your misdeeds and admit you to a noble abode. 4:31 Therefore, if you don’t commit the big sins and live a righteous life, god will blot out you’re evil deeds. Even in the bible this is confirmed Romans 4: 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 7 “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”[b](G) Your sins are covered not paid. God will hide them for you, because he is the merciful.

[@2l84me8]

Because fear mongering is the best way to brainwash and control people. Religion is not concerned with deeds, it’s only concern is you believe and remain a loyal sheep right up to the point where you’re taken to the slaughterhouse.

[@IaMD.B.]

@@2l84me8 I don't see it that way. We're all servants to something at the end of the day, the question is to what? Some people are servants to money, others to pleasure, others to addiction. Some people are servants to themselves, and they become self-centered and egotistical. What would you like to be a servant to?

[@IaMD.B.]

@@pyramusk3264 but if I'm evil, and I want to be good and just, shouldn't I just accept my punishment with dignity? I just have this sense that Jesus is like an easy out. If we're all evil, then we deserve to go to hell. But we don't want hell so we go to Jesus. Isn't that self-serving and selfish of us?

[@2l84me8]

@@IaMD.B. Nobody. I don’t serve anything nor would I want to. I’m only trying to survive at the end of the day and that’s it.

[@scillyautomatic]

Well done. The analogy of the judge stepping down is a very good explanation. Thanks. Keep up the good work.

[@caius66mplo40]

And if the judge decides to kill himself for your theft, how is that just ?

[@scillyautomatic]

@@caius66mplo40 It is JUST because someone is paying the penalty for the crime. The question is - how can we live with God in heaven after we die. The problem - we are ALL stained with sin. The other problem - God can not accept anyone with sin. Be we can not clean away our own sin. SO - God appeared in the form of a man, a perfect man, who is worth to be punished for everyone's sins. So, our sin is punished and we are acceptable to God. It is JUST because the sin has been punished - it is MERCIFUL because someone took the punishment for us. That's it in a very few words.

[@caius66mplo40]

@@scillyautomatic really ? you belittle yourself to the point of supressing my commentary because you have no response to offer ? is that the Christ way ?

[@scillyautomatic]

@@caius66mplo40 I have NO IDEA what you are talking about. I gave you a thoughtful response. I suppressed nothing. Maybe you meant that comment for someone else. Thx

[@caius66mplo40]

​@@scillyautomatic Ok I might be mistaken. My appologies. I will post my comment again (well i might add a few bonuses). Here it starts: 1-"It is JUST because someone is paying the penalty for the crime." If you really think on principle that this is just, I tell you what: I go steal and you go do jail for me. After all this is also just as long as someone (that someone being you) pays the penalty for my crime. 2-"live with God in heaven" The first line of the Bible states that heaven is created along with the creation of the earth (Genesis 1). Where did God live before heaven was created ? Furthermore, what do you make of : Psalm 57:5 "Be exalted, O God, above the highest heavens! May your glory shine over all the earth." The Throne of God is the reigning centre of God in the Abrahamic religions: primarily Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The throne is said by various holy books to reside beyond the Seventh Heaven and is called Araboth (Hebrew: עֲרָבוֹת‎ 'ărāḇōṯ) in Judaism, and al-'Arsh in Islam. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throne_of_God) In my opinion, at best you are gonna live UNDER God. 3-"we are ALL stained with sin." I understand this comes from John 3:3 "no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again" and Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and death spread to all men because all sinned..." and Proverbs 22:15 "David says, “Surely I was sinful at birth, / sinful from the time my mother conceived me” ... How do you reconcile that with : Ezekiel 18:20 KJV, “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.” and what do you make of : Deuteronomy 24:16, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the sons, neither shall the sons be put to death for the fathers. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin." According to the old testament, I'm not responsible for the sins of Adam, am I ? and after all, Jesus is the God of the old testament isn't he ? 4-"God can not accept anyone with sin". "Be we can not clean away our own sin". "So, our sin is punished and we are acceptable to God." If the sin is punished, then God did not forgive it. As long as it was punished (or payed for), then it is not forgiveness is it ? But God is omnipotent, can he not just forgive Adam's sin ? Instead he goes throught all the trouble of sending his son (or himself in the form of the son -depending on the christian view-) to be crucified by his creation and for his creation's sin ? That's it in a very few words.

[@waynezimmer1288]

“The message of the cross is foolishness to those headed for destruction but to us who are being saved it is the power of God”. Pray for your heart of stone to be replaced by one of flesh so you can understand His word, read the Gospels, and ask the Holy Spirit to come to you. He will, if you are sincere, because He desires ALL to be saved.

[@tr889]

James Warner Wallace is great! check out his books and videos

[@Maryam7580]

Thank you for explaining it in a way I could understand it

[@phuakiangee8626]

Thank you Lord Jesus for dying for my and your sins... there is nothing we can do to repay what Lord Jesus has done for us.

[@genericfabricrefresher3163]

That last part is deep g.

[@aveleedeleon7694]

Yep, God expects us to forgive 70x and 7 but His infinitely perfect Self must resort to brutal murder in order to be coerced into forgiving us. NOT MY GOD AND NOT MY JESUS.

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

Yes because humans are the ultimate moral authority of anything. The price of sin is high.

[@thetraditionalist]

Great explanation

[@catsarefunny1985]

At the beginning you could see cartoon images of people smiling at the idea of Jesus dying for their sins 😂

[@mintoo2cool]

why did god create laws in the first place that require god to do this to himself ? i.e seems moot to create laws along with defining the punishments for breaking those laws .. and then proceeding to completely circumventing the entire legal framework by punishing himself, i.e the creator of the laws. seems totally unnecessary. why have such laws in the first place ?

[@2l84me8]

Because this nonsense was all made up by superstitious primitives.

[@kevinbailey9981]

I'm an athiest, but my guess is that it's about inspiring people and that they needed a martyr. Instead of sending a mortal, he did it himself and showed them how selfless they could be. Keep in mind that christianity has been around for centuries, so there are many different takes on the story of jesus.

[@euniqqe]

God created us and gave us free will. All He wants for us is to love and obey Him. However, Adam and Eve disobeyed Him. This is why sin entered the world, and He created the laws to bring us closer to Him. However, Jesus summarized the laws to one, love.

[@nicholascarter6543]

The purpose of the last was to help us see that we need Jesus

[@nicholascarter6543]

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[@Pass-dj9xt]

Thank you

[@jayheinz4624]

Here is something to considering, no where are there any Bible verses that directly state that God punished or poured his wrath out on Jesus in our place.. What the Bible rather does say is that Jesus was a ransom for many,, that he laid his life down for us for us..

[@RoseSharon7777]

If Jesus paid the debt for my sins (death) then he should still be dead. Thats the price. If the debt was only death for only 3 days, then everyone wouldn't mind paying for my own sins. Which is exactly what we must do. How? By consequences for our sins. Or Repenting. No one can pay for your inquity. The prodigal son and Zacheus received salvation by repentance not a human sacrifice. Ezekiel 18. Thats ALL thats ever been required. Repentance is HARD WORK. Its not saying a one sentence prayer.

[@Dizerner]

No, it's the wrath of God against all ungodliness of men.

[@MrWastingmytime59]

This video helped answer what has always seemed like a contradiction to me. Thank you.

[@roguedoge2479]

Jesus is Gods spirit in a human man. HE PAID THE PRICE for us. HIM, when He never did anything wrong!

[@Kosta5358]

Jesus showed us the path to god and that path it's throw out hearts love is the only way

[@PrimaWhiteKitty]

I wish they would have said, "..and the judge was the thief's dad"

[@MyRedeemerIsAlive3]

Amen! ❤

[@JohnMartim-sy9yf]

Very good question! Man has nothing to do for his salvation? Is it «forbiden»??

[@ac0mpleteunkn0wn]

How is it fair to punish a child for the crimes of their parents?

[@hamelygizel]

It’s not God who punishes, it’s the act of the parents that end up punishing the child without them even knowing.If the parents allowed something into their life that’s evil (weather they know or not) that can affect the child. Spiritual doors can be opened.

[@pacman5698]

If Jesus was really just God, then the story makes even less sense. So God looked at the state of the world, understood it was full of much sin and thus he had to punish the world for it, but at the same time he wanted to do anything and everything he could so that he could forgive everybody. Thus, his plan was to manifest himself in another form on his own planet, then go and get himself killed so he could sacrifice himself to himself to save humanity from the punishment he was going to dish out? Why is it this so complicated, and what about this is really a moral sacrifice? If he wanted to forgive humanity for all the bad shit they did, and if he does really have all the power of the universe and do what he wants, why couldn't he have just decided and tell everybody he's going to wipe their records clean and introduce a new rule where people have to ask him for forgiveness? Why was the part where he jumped into a underaged low-class girl's stomach, only to be born then go on a suicide mission necessary, and why did he need a blood sacrifice? He doesn't need to do anything, keep in mind, he's God. He's all-knowing and all powerful and can do anything he wants. I think this is the problem with apologetics in general. They need to frame God as both an all-powerful being who can do anything he wants, whenever he wants, and is not bound by any limitations of power in any field. Yet at the same time he unfortunately has to make some tough calls and do some rough things because that's just what he has to do given his circumstances. Despite the fact the previous narrative was the fact he is able to do anything no matter what. Doesn't make sense as a genuine moral way of life, BUT does make sense if you know all these stories were written by so many people, translated multiple times over, and smushed together into one big collection which changed over time as governments and societies evolved over millennia.

[@pacman5698]

@@Dgersham Then why did God create sin in the first place? Also, in your last part you said: _"Therefore, in order to help humanity get out of their unrepayable debt, God _*_had_*_ to perform a logically consistent way to create a form of bankruptcy option for humanity, by taking on the Sin debt himself."_ Do you believe God is all-powerful? Yes? Again, if he is he doesn't have to do anything.

[@pacman5698]

@@Dgersham Why didn't God jusr create a universe where we have free will yet everyone still makes it to heaven? Again, you are dodging the question. Why does God make things so complicated if he can create whatever reality he wants?

[@mattr.1887]

Yeah. The more seriously you take it, the less so much of it makes sense.

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

@@pacman5698 Its isn't dodging the question he kind of answered it. If he wanted to created a humans race where you can choose to do anything and you chose to do bad that's on you. Also in the Bible it is common that Gods actions confuse people who follow him as well. god had already been having people for ask for forgiveness. Even if he wiped "record clean" many people will just sin agin and again. To God the price of sin is a high one and not something he can just let slide. It isn't in his nature.

[@joelaughlin9827]

Excellent video. Very well explained

[@Kosta5358]

Jesus didn't came to took our sins he came to tell the truth about god to show us the way to god thats why he save us.she show us how to find god and the light and love

[@YESHUA_is_king_21]

Hallelujah 🙏

[@juansarabia7530]

Allahlujah = 'praise god' in Arabic.

[@ΟριζόντιοςΚατακόρυφος]

That's exactly the Orthodox Church's view of the crucifixion.

[@8BallTheSnitch]

This is what i dont get. God loved his son but sent him to die and be butchered for human sins. But then he forgive the sins of his son being killed. 😅 But then sin he could take away right? But he doesnt due to freewill 😅 Makes Zero sense. Would make sense jesus said to his father i will take all the bad from humans and die for them father that would make sense. jesus as God forgive humans for killing him 😅 Then he forgive all human sins it AGAIN MAKES ZERO SENSE

[@2l84me8]

A completely irrational story about a god who unnecessarily sacrificed himself to himself on a cross in order to exploit his own loophole and spare humanity from his own wrath all because a clone woman was convinced by a talking snake into eating magic fruit. And somehow we’re all guilty of this “crime” for some reason?

[@nicholascarter6543]

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[@pyramusk3264]

Don't forget that Jesus rose from the grave and we shall be with him in heaven forever: Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12.2

[@aveleedeleon7694]

We need to get over this so-called unGodly gift of God. The God I have come to know this past decade would NEVER do something so animalistic. Man killed Jesus, not God and that’s even obvious in the Bible. God simply wanted Jesus to finish out His life in the natural course that all mortals must go through. Jesus is now sovereign of our universe bc of His bestowal life down here. There’s more to the story than our small human perspectives. Man wrote that to make Christianity more enticing. As the sacrifice was already a part of primitive religions and they just made Jesus into this same part that’s also in Mitraism which was popular during the time of Jesus. It time to evolve past these primitive beliefs. Gods too good for human sacrifice and to say it’s an act of love is abusive in itself. It’s denying common sense and turning many millions away from God altogether bc they can’t accept this cosmic child abuse that Christians call love.

[@bambakalioni0641]

come to islam. theres no contradictions or plotholes in ther religion

[@MrDolfo1]

what are we now when Jesus saves us from our sins. will you please explain?

[@Dizerner]

We are new creations. What do you need to know?

[@Kramer-tt32]

The problem i have with it is that it teaches kids they always have a scapegoat, and they never have to fave consequences for their actions. They have been stripped of their responsibilities. This is immoral. Much more moral system would be god keeping a count of the sins you commit in your life, and you serve time in hell, and once you have faced your responsibilities, you are let out into heaven.

[@loliH9]

Only if salvation is permanent like most protestant denominations believe. That doesn't make sense to me, the point of belief in Christ is that you are to stop sinning and start to follow him. If you continue sinning you should lose salvation, not because God is taking it away from you but because you are turning your back on God like Adam and Eve did.

[@zoranmartinovic6102]

Jesus christ is my lord and savior ❤

[@kevinrossharper]

This was a weird non-sequitur. The content of the video does not address the title of the video. Most importantly, there is not a single passage of scripture where the Father punishes Jesus.

[@kbinaan2891]

That was a really good answer. Thank you guys for what you do.

[@kentheengineer592]

Thank God We Have A Backstory Narrative Or God's Reputation Would Ne Demolished Immediately for Newcomers oof 😬

[@patbrumph6769]

The purpose for Jesus coming to earth was to be sacrificed. That was God's intent. That was "The Plan." That was the purpose for the Virgin Birth. God didn't have to do that. No one required that. There is no authority over God that can force him do anything, but because we offended God with our sins, God required a reparation be paid in agony. Paid to who? To God, of course. God demanded this debt be paid to Himself, but He wanted to spare humans the agony required to make the payment, so God decided to pay the debt for us. Well, wasn't that nice? But how crazy is that? What is the rational behind all this? In Biblical days, the Philistines, the Canaanites, and yes even the Jews made human sacrifices to an angry God to win his forgiveness. Remember Abraham and Isaac? When God demanded Abraham sacrifice his son, Abraham didn't hesitate to do that. It was the way things were done. And what was the sacrifice the gods required? A son! (A daughter would have been an insult). So God was angry and he demanded vengeance in payment for our offenses against him. The appropriate payment was the sacrifice of a son, so as an act of mercy to humans, God sacrificed his son to himself. The insanity of this is impossible to measure. The saving grace is: it's a fairy tale.

[@rainerreiter8927]

First of all, God having children like sons and daughters is human verbal nonsense, unless it's a terminology and then we're all children of God

[@randyzempel9140]

Yes well done on the three reasons not a mere man, voluntarily died, God loved us. BUT DID NOT INCLUDE THE THE REASON HE DIED. HOW DO WE GET IN ON THE DIVIDENDS OF THE SACRIFICE? What is to be OUR RESPONSE? The gospel is 2Cor. 15:1-4, the response is John 3:16-18, Ephesians 2:8-9. Acts 16:31. The video should be another 60 seconds to answer this.

[@slottibarfast5402]

So instead of child abuse we have God committing suicide. As far as Jesus being all God and all human how does this work? The all God part of Jesus must have seen every step in this whole thing coming in fact it was his plan. Jesus knew what the Romans were going to do, knew what the Jews that were against him were going to do. Jesus/God felt every lash, every nail before it happened. The entire passion play was just for our benefit. Many early Christians concluded that God simply put on the appearance of a man, that pretended to be human, to feel the sting of the lash. How could God, they figured, be hurt by a mortal. Other Christians resolved the man/ God dualism by making a Jesus all mortal from birth then given powers through God at his baptism and all the suffering was that of a man that gave everything demanded, even his life as God wanted. Only upon his death did Jesus become one with God. There were other mixtures in the way Christians viewed this man/God problem. Having the death and resurrection be an atonement for our sins was primarily a Pauline doctrine and not that of the Jerusalem Christians. Paul famously said that if he had to choose between the disciples and his version of things he would choose his own. As it turns out Paul won.

[@Englishlanguageandlingui-yd7ww]

It is unjust that Jesu die for humanity sins,he did not die at all.He was nor God.He was human,a prophet only.

[@ylekiote99999]

I don't get how Jesus dying on the cross in a sacrifice. It doesn't make any sense at all. Furthermore, he didn't die anyway. He was alive again 3 days later and on this throne ruling the world. So what is the sacrifice? And what is up with blood sacrifices anyway. Is God Dracula?

[@EreborDuFeatherPurple]

I have questions. So if GOD says I deserve hell, in fact, born deserving hell, due to Adam's original sin, and the only way to salvation is through the cleansing blood of his son Jesus. Does that mean GOD is offering me an 'out' when HE states HE can cleanse my sins away with the blood of HIS son, Jesus, and then, I may be able to enter Heaven? Seems that way to me. But then, I realize that Jesus will have to be tortured and murdered before HE can use the blood. And I say, WHOA! Hold on now. Let's just wait a sec. Isn't Jesus innocent? I don't want him to suffer because of MY SINS. I don't hate him, and I sure don't want him to be killed horribly. I ask GOD, isn't there another way YOU can forgive my sins? What's wrong with a lifetime of good works, caring for others. And it seems HE replies No, that only with Jesus's blood can I be forgiven. That seems horrible to me. How's Jesus feel about this? This youtube implies he volunteered. But didn't Jesus ask that this cup be taken from him, before he submitted to GODS WILL? Now my question is; how could I be ok with JESUS, a totally innocent man, with no sin of his own, being horribly murdered so I don't have to pay the penalty GOD says I deserve? What kind of horrible person would I be then? I know I'm just a man, a creation of the Almighty, who had no right to question GOD. But GOD made me with a heart that loves others, and would never ask for, or wish, suffering upon others. Even Jesus. But besides all that, wouldn't the right thing be that if GOD says I deserve hell, I should just accept HIS JUDGEMENT? I think so. If Almighty GOD wants to torture and murder his own begotten son, that's his business. No one can ever say I accepted that an innocent man be killed for me, so I can enjoy eternal life. Heck, I'd feel so guilty I couldn't enjoy it.

[@Dizerner]

If you think about it, it's just your pride talking all the way through. YOU don't like this, and YOU don't want that, and YOU feel this way about it. You need to humble yourself and put GOD first in your life for once.

[@EreborDuFeatherPurple]

@@Dizerner Ok. God says I deserve hell. So, I'll put HIM first and I'll accept HIS judgement. After all, its MY sins (including pride, I guess). I'm pretty sure I'm being humble. But, as far as JESUS, lets be honest, HE son is innocent of MY sins. Right? So, thats why I don't want Jesus to suffer. If that's my pride talking, well, I don't see how. Thanks for your answer to my question. I hope your day is well.

[@Dizerner]

@@EreborDuFeatherPurple God says you deserve hell and he wants to take it for you. Now you won't put him first anymore, huh. Do you know how many a man's pride put him in hell? Billions. You are not being even remotely the tiniest bit humble. You are putting yourself above God, just like every other sinner that ever lived. Just be honest for once in your life and say "I hate God and I love my pride more, and I choose rebellion." That's what's really happening here.

[@abuchai9868]

God in a human form is like having a square circle. It’s a contradiction.

[@Dizerner]

Maybe God invented logic.

[@joevi2593]

God can do all things.

[@Mohamed-pl5jk]

Let me ask you[Christians] people.can't you people figure out this .[According to the Hebrew Bible, God commands Abraham to offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice.[1] After Isaac is bound to an altar, a messenger from God stops Abraham before he can complete the sacrifice, saying, "now I know you fear God". Abraham looks up and sees a ram and sacrifices it instead of Isaac].which means god doesn't want human[Abraham son] to sacrifice for anything. In that case how does the father[god] allows Jesus[pbuh] to sacrifice for humans sins.this is completely a blunder😢

[@CodeMonkey66]

Still didn't explain why God punished Jesus for our sins. I mean, I get that God (the Judge) said, hey, I'll take the punishment for you...and did this through Jesus...but he didn't have to, he could have just said, hey, confess and all will be forgiven...as we do now. No, the real reason Jesus died on the cross was because he had a movement and by dying on the cross, he'd be a martyr and that would strengthen the movement. Well, it worked...but it wasn't about him forgiving our sins.

[@FHBStudio]

I'm not making an argument, I'm mostly just posing additional questions I have. None of this makes sense to me. Number 1: Jesus was not a mere human. If jesus was not a mere human, is it then not merely the nullification of the punishment altogether? Is it not akin to a parent taking the punishment of a child in their stead? Is it a sacrifice at all if he's not a mere human? What has the transgressor learned if anything at all? When viewed from a complete evildoer, the only thing that happens for them is that they're not punished for their crimes and that they can just continue to be evil without consequence. Now you'll say that there's hell and eternal punishment and all that, but that's not a point brought up in the video. Anyone wanting to sin all their life could simply bet on a death bed confession. Number 2: Jesus went to the cross voluntarily. But not unconditionally. Your forgiveness is dependent upon the acceptance of his sacrifice, which has already been committed without your awareness, let alone your consent, approval and acceptance. What if someone _still_ thinks this is unfair but more importantly, wants to be held accountable for their own sins? Number 3: The sacrifice of Jesus is not an act of abuse, but a gift of God. As far as I'm concerned, the point in the video is incomplete: forgiveness through jesus' sacrifice is not unconditional. It is under the condition that the person accepts that sacrifice and changes their ways entirely. I had some other points but got distracted ;-;

[@robjackson4050]

well i guess in a way if you don't accept jesus you are held accountable for their own sins

[@FHBStudio]

@@robjackson4050 isn't that a greater justice? To own up to your own mistakes?

[@FRN2013]

Rob Jackson, the Old Testament does point to Jesus is many, many ways, even though it was completed hundreds of years before Jesus' birth. Throughout the OT, God wanted people to repent from sinning. Jesus' suffering was not an end in itself. Jesus himself had joy during his suffering, because he knew he was giving life to his people (Hebrews 12:2). You would not know an "honest answer" until you repent of the pride that's blinding you, and the sadism that drives you to troll Christian YT channels.

[@hamelygizel]

FOR ANYONE WHO CANT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE VIDEO, there is a reason for thats why some do and some don’t. Instead of watching videos READ the Bible for yourself, start in the gospels MATTHEW MARK LUKE JOHN Pray before you read and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you as you read. If your called then you will understand and if you don’t then, get Faith. I’m praying for all of you 🩷

[@jdaze1]

If he died so we can live then i wouldn't need to crucify my own flesh. It was allegory people!

[@berniefynn6623]

Jesus ws NOT punished,he sacrificed himself as a one time sacrifice so we don't have to , he redeemed us with his blood.

[@2l84me8]

Why did we need to sacrifice ourselves again?

[@Lighthouse6104]

None of this makes sense and none of it is just because we are NOT guilty for the sins of past humans.

[@jorgethecoach]

If JesusChrist died for our sins, what’s the catch? That doesn’t mean now I can go and keep sinning right?

[@audreyguenette7256]

He died for the sin of Adam and Eve: the initial sin. It means you are born without sins

[@jorgethecoach]

@@audreyguenette7256 then why do I keep sinning?

[@audreyguenette7256]

@@jorgethecoach You are born with no sins, but you can get them afterwards. Before Jesus, people would be born still carying the sins of Adam and Eve

[@jorgethecoach]

@@audreyguenette7256 how did those people get saved then if they are born in sin?

[@audreyguenette7256]

@@jorgethecoach But on to your question: Catholic theology has traditionally taught that the righteous who came before Jesus were in the “limbo of the fathers,” a sort of spiritual waiting room where they remained until “in his human soul united to his divine person, the dead Christ went down to the realm of the dead. He opened heaven’s gates for the just who had gone before him,” says the Catechism of the Catholic Church in No. 637. (Says google)

[@abbyhegmans4197]

Jesus didn’t take our “punishment”, He offered himself as a sacrifice for our sins - just like people used to offer lambs for their sins, except Jesus is the eternal and acceptable sacrifice. Let’s stop this weird “Jesus took my place” nonsense and look to the real meaning: sacrifice to pardon our sin, in fact, to wash us clean of sin.

[@biblebased2374]

Can you reach out to me. You sound close to the truth. Christ died to wash us from sins within. If you wanna continue this conversation let me know.

[@Charles-i4t]

Jesus is the devil

[@wilasarilas2066]

So according to you, Jesus and the father are seperate entity

[@Khaya911]

Nonsense no one die for me. everyone die for themselves... If someone died for us, then why are human still dying? it all nonsense

[@The_Black_Anarchist]

You got this one wrong. The Bible says that we are all god. Jesus was no more a god than the rest of us. He came to teach us how to live as gods.

[@sharpy183]

But why did god need to punish himself? Instead of just saying I forgive you all? Like god is punishing himself for rules that he himself made up.

[@DeevineIntervention]

Because brother, please read this carefully, God is many things. He is Loving, Merciful, but not forgetting, He is JUST. So since crimes (our sin) was, is and will be committed; there has to be CONSEQUENCES for those sins. And since God is also HOLY, his standards are extremely high. It is written "the wages of sin is DEATH." So he took it upon Himself to pay the penalty for the countless number of sins committed and will be committed. I hope this made sense my guy.

[@nxjzz_eaindra]

​@@DeevineIntervention thank you very much, this help me understand and god bless you❤

[@Charles-i4t]

Jesus is the devil

[@rainerreiter8927]

It's all utter nonsense, because the Bible is a man written book, that's been rewritten many times, hence I ask God to guide me towards love, and Divine Love also includes peace of mind, so that's all I need in life, because, if I can feel that, I can also help others feel it, and that's the most important step towards world peace: finding peace in my own heart. That can inspire others to discover the peace and love of God, that's all already there. We only have to open up and our hearts will be filled

[@edgarmorales4476]

I formally and fully reject the belief that Jesus allowed himself to be crucified to "pay for the sins of the world"; this belief is pure nonsense. The truth is: Jesus had knowingly broken the laws of Judaism, Jesus had set his face against the Jewish Religious Hierarchy, Jesus had unwittingly initiated public disturbances and invoked the displeasure of the Roman Governor, therefore it was time for Jesus to exit the world - and Jesus was glad to go. It is perfectly true that down the ages people have come to Jesus in all sincerity begging for forgiveness and strength to deal with their daily lives, I tell you the truth: Jesus did respond and did enable them to see their "wrong-doing" and obtain the strength to put it to one side in order to live in a more understandable way. But I tell you truly: Jesus did not, in any shape or form, paid for our sins; this is a myth and a fallacy. We are responsible for ourselves! Jesus only offered us a way to make true spiritual progress.

[@БогданФоростян-в5е]

That's not true God never punish Jesus, because Jesus have no sins and Jesus is God's Son

[@KayneTerrell]

Quite simply, God does too many drugs.

[@rekekongen1]

❤

[@stlrfn3190]

God is cruel and sadistic. I’ll take my chances with Lucifer.

[@claudiozanella256]

No punishment, there are hidden reasons for that. Who is Jesus? Who is God? God is made by the Son - who is not omnipotent - and by the Father. But the Father - the almighty God - is just a SPIRIT here ("God is a spirit"), aka the "Holy Spirit". This means He is ABSENT because He only dwells in the past, before the start of the universe ("the world has not known you"). But from that distant time God (there is not a spirit) is ABLE TO OBSERVE US and to take actions here. Before getting rid of his power, the Son was that omnipotent God ("He who has seen me has seen the Father"). The Son is now the ONLY ONE really existing non-omnipotent God, the Owner of heaven ("Then the King shall say...). The Holy Spirit inside Jesus is the "Father-Spirit", no one else exists inside Him: "I am not ALONE because the Father is with me". The Son sits next to the POWER of God (a thing) because He hasn't got his own. For example that power has been used for Mary's pregnancy: "the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee".

[@robjackson4050]

honest answer god wanted to see jesus suffer if the old testament is anything to go by

[@jesuscameforrelationshipno4165]

Please start an instagram and tik tok so you can share your vids to millions

[@juansarabia7530]

There were no Christians then, so it has to be the sins of Hebrews, eh?

[@saveUyghurs]

No concept of original sin in Islam

[@colinwee9981]

It is just pure stupidity...allowinh ir son to suffer for others

[@drdarrylschroeder5691]

No such thing. GOD was horrified. Sins are paid for by karma and incarnations we have all signed up for on this Earth School. Books from The Winds of Truth website. Blessings

[@MrDolfo1]

If jesus is god then he punish himself

[@Laurasirenapalmer]

WAKE UP ITS MAN YOU MAN YOU PUNOSHED JESUS NOT GOD OPEN UOUR EYES

[@Hannibu]

Did you ever hear yourself talking? Sorry, but this doesn't make ANY sense.

[@SilverSpoon_]

I guess that's the protestant version. According to catholicism, Jesus is God's son. (or at least claimed as) not God himself. More objectively, both versions are biased as being more fanfics with different versions (like, a second testament? that's not how a testament works) my best advice, read Nietzsche's criticism and analysis on Jesus and especially, moralty.

[@margaretrutherford5548]

That's not correct - Catholics believe that Jesus is one of the three persons of God - fully God and fully human. His person is God the Son

[@thomaseast2842]

​@@margaretrutherford5548and protestants believe exactly the same thing too, the trinity, right, don't they?

[@YESHUA_is_king_21]

Just listen again it's pretty clear to me it's that Jesus wasn't just a man he is God himself

[@Lighthouse6104]

Exactly 😂 I kept thinking wait a minute this ain’t adding up

[@ftst4756]

God sent you a prophet named jessus ,instead of worshipping god you guys started worshipping him and started calling him god's son who was born in a human's womb , How nice !

[@ftst4756]

@jjw00dw So why a god does not know when the dooms day will come ?24:36 Matthew

[@TheStrange_Man]

Very good explanation. May all the Christian nation be united.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

Well then, it is fortunate that I have never sinned!

[@JaimeRempel]

punishing someone for wrong-doing doesn't solve anything. punishment is only an outpouring of anger.

[@christiandudeenzo1276]

Jesus said forsake all and love God most and everyone as self, via working for God instead of money, only then you are Christian. Luke 14, Matthew 6, Matthew 25.

[@randyzempel9140]

Wrong

[@theolufson]

Idk how y’all believe this stuff 😂

[@christianbravo85]

Bro may Jesus bless you 🙏🏽honestly

[@elizabethveliz9448]

What led you here? ❤🙏✝️

[@isaacowusu1141]

I used to an atheist but now I am all of Christ

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

Billions do. U do as well for many reasons. In many ways atheism is a luxury beliefs for countless impoverished people whose lives will never get any better, Believing in nothing is something they can afford to do. Second is the historic evidence of Jesus as well continued discoveries in archeology and only strengthen the validity of the Bible. Lastly it makes more sense than thinking anything comes about by chance.

[@rogerball7040]

No Anselm?

[@redgrange3485]

Catholicism is not a good base for Biblical truth because in their doctrine Jesus is not the only way which makes them a Christian cult but I believe Anselm did not hold this position

[@rogerball7040]

@@redgrange3485 One of the many things Anselm is known for is the satisfaction theory of atonement. The idea is that sins committed against a God of infinite majesty and holiness require the atoning sacrifice to be of infinite value. Therefore, only Christ, being fully divine and fully human, could be a proper substitute for mankind and restore God's honor and dignity. The idea of penal substitution and satisfying the demands of God's justice was later added to this formulation.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@rogerball7040 HOW did you come to conclude that this god you've mentioned exists? Have you ever observed this god?

[@tr889]

@@theoskeptomai2535 time space and matter exist, therefore whatever made them is timeless spaceless and immaterial...also powerful, and intelligent----creation needs a creator aka God

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@tr889 How did you come to conclude that time, space, and matter were _made?_