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[@RammsteinXFan]

The German word "Geschlecht" can mean both "sex" and "gender" - the translation app went with the less applicable alternative here. The same thing happens close to the very end when translating "Anzeige ist raus": It means a criminal complaint ("Straf-Anzeige") has been sent to the authorities, but the shorter term "Anzeige" can also mean an ad (as in advertising), which the translation app wrongly chose.

[@philippprime6844]

Lindemann kommt bald auch in den Knast. Und das nicht nur wegen sowas harmlosen wie einer Beleidigung.

[@EyMannMachHin]

I'm quite sure the wrong translation were actually selected on purpose to underline the satirical notion of the subject. 😉

[@Aine197]

@@EyMannMachHin The translation was auto-generated by youtube, so no. It‘s just wrong.

[@pfalzgraf7527]

The auto translation is programmed to see "sex" as a bad word, so it uses "gender" by default.

[@viciousyeen6644]

@@pfalzgraf7527 yeah it was programmed by weak people with a twisted worldview

[@DSP16569]

Insulting is a crime in Germany.

[@scofield321]

Scheinbar nicht, wenn der Staatsanwalt(!!!!!!) die Naziärsche verteidigt.

[@IDKLOL-vw9yy]

teens in germany tryng to insult you as much a possible: am i a joke to you

[@jensschroder8214]

right extreme slogans like "88" and "HH" "hail Hiller" too

[@chaosmagican]

You would think that makes sense until you realize that using the informal you has been eligible in the past. Imagine saying to a cop "Thou shall not misuse their power" and potentially getting a felony for that, it's stupid really.

[@thorstenbrandenburg4338]

More precise: it is a criminal offense.

[@gttagttc6752]

This guy at the beginning is the prototype of the IT technician at every german university or in every company :)

[@janschicha8401]

As an IT technician in a german company, it's scary how much that guy looks like me. Only difference is the color of his shirt. Same beard, same haircut and shoes and on top of that, I am responsible for the same type of copy machines, he is looking at🤔🤯

[@Raffael-Tausend]

Our computer science looks almost exactly the same.

[@chr0mg0d]

Standard Nerd as in IT Crowd 🖖

[@bjorntantau194]

​@@janschicha8401 "IT technician sues for using his likeness to depict an IT technician. Learns that the picture is actually someone else."

[@sdmayday]

This look is like the entry qualification for any IT-related job here in Germany.

[@Kompromist]

Right wing clothing in this case is actually extremly right wing, maybe even nazi-clothing. So... it has nothing to do with conservatives.

[@K__a__M__I]

there's no question about _maybe_ here, that is straight up neo-nazi stuff.

[@AskanHelstroem]

yeah exactly....calling "Thor Steinar" right wing, is like calling Hitler "kinda bad"... not false, but also not the whole truth... just imagine the AFD (we want it our way-party), with Thor Steinar clothes, at their next...oh "Torsten Czuppon" did exactly that...he was(?) a congressman, for the AFD, but he got seen, in a holocaust museum, with NAZI clothes, from Thor Steinar...wow...so little respect...

[@DenUitvreter]

Don't call it right wing clothing then. If it's Nazi clothing call it Nazi clothing, if it's extreme right clothing call it extreme right clothing. This is a below the belt tactic from some left wingers to conflate the whole of what is not left like them with the extreme right and discredit it. I don't know, those fonts rub me the wrong way immediately, but I also know in Germany they predate the Nazi era.

[@jeanclaudevomdeich4234]

No it's not nazi-clothing

[@AskanHelstroem]

@@jeanclaudevomdeich4234 so it's just an accident, that all those Nazis wear Thor Steinar clothes? And the "44" on many items, isn't an alteration for "88"? Show me a Nazi, and I bet he is wearing Thor Steinar, right in that very moment. But pls...tell me, why u think, Thor Steinar is just an ordinary clothing brand ^^

[@tibbar-cx1bm]

The woman said the construction workers wore rechtsradikale Kleidung, which is radical right-wing clothing. Most translations in this context on many videos are very misleading, as when Germans say „right-wing“ in regards to the political german landscape, it almost always means radical right. I’d bet that only Germans who’ve spend a ton of time either living in the US or in American online communities, would say „right-wing“ and mean conservative. These two political terms are not simply interchangeable in German.

[@waltergro9102]

National Socialist propaganda is forbidden. Opinions on who is extremist of politicians or of the "criminal organisation" Verfassungsschutz (Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution) don't matter at all because of the countless crimes it's responsible for and it's anyway subject to instructions of the interior ministers of the federation and states. A court sentence matters that something is National Socialist propaganda. The hurdles are high for the judgement that something or someone is extremist and permits a ban. Otherwise mere opposition against certain policies could get easily criminalized.

[@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233]

wanted to comment that as well.

[@waltergro9102]

Früher hat die Union noch großen Wert darauf gelegt, "rechts" zu sein. Es ist im übrigen ein bewusster Versuch, "neulinke" Standpunkte durch die Hintertür verbindlich zu machen und Andersdenkende und Oppositionelle zu verunglimpfen. Nein, "rechts" bedeutet keineswegs rechtsradikal. Und viele Standpunkte der alten Linken wären in den Augen der Neulinken "rechts". Die alte Linke war weder antideutsch noch Anhänger der Konzeption von Deutschland als Einwanderungsland.

[@VoloxTV]

The clothing brand is strongly associated with the Neo-Nazi scene, it's not about right wing stuff as in conservatism.

[@insu_na]

To be fair, nowadays right wing stuff as in conservatism once again strongly associates itself with the Nazis, so it's not too far off

[@ohauss]

​@@insu_na You'd call Angela Merkel a Nazi?

[@insu_na]

@@ohauss learn to read

[@asddasdasdasdadsa]

​@@insu_nawhat? First of all nazis are left wing Radicals hitler said that musolini said that they are spcialist its communisem in Reality.... also if ill thinl of nazis ill look at the lgbtq supporters the last genatrion amd green voters in general they fitt 99% of the Definition of a Fascist and nazi.

[@asddasdasdasdadsa]

​@@ohaussno but barebock 100%

[@FreaM20]

LOL, the guy you described as the typical German man is actually a friend of mine. What a coincidence to see him on your channel 😂

[@scofield321]

Und ist er denn nun eine spezielle Sorte Mann in Dschörmeni?^^

[@montanus777]

und welche werte bei welchen attributen hätte er in einem RPG?

[@armitage9204]

@@montanus777 STR 4, AGI 1, CHA 1, INT, 6, WIS 8.

[@DerMaje]

Ihr Nerds :D

[@andreasforster3614]

I suppose the reason they went through the trouble of finding all these reasons to not classify it as an insult is they don't want to go through the hassle of finding the offender and bringing them to court.

[@eljanrimsa5843]

No, it means they like right-wing symbols themselves

[@user-xi6nk4xs4s]

@@eljanrimsa5843 Stupid comment, based on what?

[@denzelpanther240]

​@@user-xi6nk4xs4s the facts

[@inrivaalfosso3663]

​@@eljanrimsa5843Yes, unfortunately in Gera our right wing party AFD gets about 30% of the votes.

[@user-xi6nk4xs4s]

@@denzelpanther240 Which facts? I know there is right wing sympathy in the region, that does not mean the institute likes these symbols. If you can point me to these facts, I'd like to learn.

[@herrhartmann3036]

"Gender connotation" is actually a rather weak translation here. The actual connotation is "sexual". And "right-wing" in this case doesn't mean "conservative". It means "neo-fascist".

[@HalfEye79]

Well, the AStA nearly every time is very far left-wing.

[@Schwuffie96]

I always find it amusing that less educaded working classes like constructionworkers are more likely to be Neonazis and sudents and universitys are left... but nether the less. It does not bring a Thing to the to comment to argue that astas are left while he explained some context

[@tarkitarker0815]

@@HalfEye79 yeah and? they dont run around hunting foreigners so suck it up, thor steinar and landser are clothing lines violence asserting members of society use....

[@ft6637]

I think the prosecutor just didn't want to bring this case to court, because he thinks it's a minor case and nothing to go to court for. Therefore he had to explain somehow, why he wouldn't go to court with it.

[@pallao3500]

Its about the city "Gera" itself, which is located in one of the most right-wing leaning counties in Germany, that also tends to have a right-wing issue within the police itself. The prosecutor very likely just shared the mindset of that internet guy and didnt want to start actions against him based on pure sympathy.

[@waltergro9102]

Maybe he is just one of the few prosecutors who think that democracy means free opinion and free elections. Sovereignty of the People.

[@pallao3500]

@@waltergro9102 ah, yes, the purest form of democracy, executive organs that decide to do the job of the judiciary themselfes based on their gut feelings.

[@rileyxxxx]

Because gera is located in Thüringen which is one of the majority regions of right winged citizens. 50%. Chance the prosecutor is right winged as well and defends is mates. On the other side, cologne is the most open minded city in Germany, so the exact opposite mindset.

[@johgu92]

Köln hat auch viele Nazis

[@Station-Network]

@@johgu92 Aber nicht so viele wenn du dort ein Kuhkaff besuchst, dir als deutscher unwohl wird. Mein Kollege und ich haben dort schnell unseren Job gemacht und dann erst auf der Autobahnraststätte unsere Pause gemacht.

[@ianthomas7439]

@@Station-Network leider aufn Punkt, Deine Beschreibung

[@andreamuller9009]

Wartet , lasst uns mal zusammenfassen . Studierende fühlen sich von Bauarbeitern mit vollgeschwitzten fcking Steinert- T-shirts gestört, die diese bei der Arbeit tagen . uh , ich kann den Männerschweiß geradezu riechen .... Ich hoffe sie bekommen jetzt keinen Augenkrebs oder so oder haben sich die Augen geblendet .... Erstmal was geht diese Leute an was jemand anderes trägt ... sind es nicht genau solche die sagen " was hast du gegen den Hjab , eine Frau kann trägen was sie will "?... sollte für jeden anderen auch gelten , auch wenn derjenige seine Einstellung buchtäblich auf der Brust trägt (und nicht auf dem Kopf ) und man nicht seiner Meinung ist .... schließlich hätte auch keiner was dagegen wenn ein Sie / Er/ Ens ausschließlich mit der Regenbogenflagge bekleidet durch die Botanik hoppst . Dann bricht ein Shitstorm über diese kleinen Heuchler hinweg . Und dann beschweren sie sich , wenn man ihnen, mit zugegeben drastischen Worten sagt, sie mögen sich um ihren eigenen Scheiß kümmern ? Also wäre ich die Staatsanwaltschaft Gera hätte ich auch einen ellenlangen Brief geschieben um mir die Mühe mit selbsternannten Weltrettern zu sparen , die ihren Shittstorm selbst eingehandelt haben .

[@m.s.8927]

Ach die woken Kölner sind nur offen, wenn es um ihre eigenen Meinungen geht, sobald wer abweicht, werden die genauso intolerant.

[@headhunter1945]

Alternative title: "Getting trolled by a neo-nazi government official"

[@BillHammond-yk7vl]

The F**kt dich in the case was clearly meant as an insult. The official either didn't want to process the case (too much Work) or he himself is a right winger.

[@johanneskaiser8188]

I'm not a prosecutor, but even as someone who would gladly drag neonazis to court, tracking someone down and getting them into court for a "f*ck you" would likely be about 300% of what the hassle is worth, on the costs alone.

[@LeroxYT]

Probably cuz that is an absolutely unecessary case 😂

[@pallao3500]

Based on the location Gera, its very likely the latter one.

[@tigriscallidus4477]

Why would that be an insult? I agree that it is not nice speak, but what is the insult? It the same as "geh dahin wo der pfeffer wächst" its not telling then that they are stupid, or any other insulting thing. Its a prompt to do something. The thing its promts to is not illegal, nor even against moral.

[@swanpride]

Considering that it happened in Gera, most likely the latter.

[@OrkarIsberEstar]

the hilarious part is that here the federal proseutor basicly made a case, that you can legally say "fck you" to a police officer as apparently that doesnt mean its an insult

[@icetwo]

I think this video needs a basic explanation. So. The AStA (General Student Committee) of the University of Cologne is a self-governing body of the university's students. They take care of the social needs of the students, organize campus life and are the contact persons for the university administration when it comes to student needs. In this case, they received complaints that construction workers were seen wearing clothing that belonged to the radical right-wing spectrum. The AStA makes the complaints public and addresses everyone responsible for them. Then they get a shit storm. A contribution to this Schitstorm comes from Gera. Gera in Thuringia. Like all East German states, Thuringia has a small problem with right-wing extremists. There are of course some in the West, but the West encapsulates them a little better. In any case, the message from just now says "Fuck you." This can be seen as an insult and an insult is punishable in Germany. "§ 185 StGB: The insult is punishable with imprisonment of up to one year or a fine and, if the insult is committed publicly, in a meeting, by disseminating content (section 11 subsection 3) or by means of assault, it is punished with imprisonment for up to two years or a fine .". That's why the AStA filed a criminal complaint with the public prosecutor's office in Gera. And they write back a long letter why they don't want to investigate. First of all, it says that the term fuck you could have something to do with reproduction Translation of the video wrong because it confuses gender and sex. Then the term Wohl is also common in military language for a hard drill. And in some areas in Germany there is still the term "Fickrich" which can mean restless or excited. The public prosecutor now says that it doesn't have to be an insult due to the different meanings.The AStA and actually everyone else thinks this explanation is nonsense. The public prosecutor may have tried to find a reason for not having to investigate.

[@pallao3500]

"Thuringia has a "small" problem with right-wing extremists" *Fix'ed.

[@michaelmatschke525]

So the Asta was trying to get people fired and destroy their livelyhood for wearing the wrong Brand of clothes and suposedly holding icky, but legal, views on politics? Basicly going directly against their fundamental rights and their human dignity? And now they are acting all inocent and can´t see why anyone could be uppset with them? What a bunch of useless hypocrits...

[@TheSylfaein]

@@pallao3500 *Fickst Sorry, konnte nicht widerstehen. xD Aber mal im Ernst: Wenn wir jetzt damit anfangen, jeden vor den Kadi zu zerren, der einem ein "Fick(t) dich/euch" an den Kopf wirft... Dann würden Polizei und Gerichte überflutet mit Anzeigen. Zumal, wie im Video und Brief der Staatsanwaltschaft erwähnt, das Wort selber in der Jugendsprache eine andere Bedeutung erfährt.

[@user-wu8bm9li6y]

Oh yeah, for Nazi propaganda is forbidden in Germany, Nazis use codes instead, e.g. waering hoodies or shirts or shoes fron Steinar (sounds very nordic) and certain others, or saying "Ostküste" (East coast of the USA when they means jews.

[@rakat2746]

Yes we have a problem with extremistic police and prosecutor. Thats a fact, but the society worked hard on it to ignore this. The denazification is still in process, unfortunately.

[@maraann330]

1:48, a typical german IT-worker, maybe a bit thin but that comes with age.

[@felixklusener5530]

In Germany any form of cursing, swearing or other inflammatory and insulting speech is prohibited by law. The general freedom of speech in this case is more limited than in the US. There was a case in the US in the late 60s and early 70s (Cohen vs. California) in which the Supreme Court held that it is unconstitutional to prohibit insulting speech and that only fighting words can legally be banned under the Constitutions 1st Amendment. But if you look at the fact that it was a 5 - 4 decision of the court, you can see that even the Supreme Court judges had different opinions on that topic. In Germany the majority of politicians and judges decided differently and that is why today you can use insulting speech talking to any individual in the US but not in Germany. If only one judge back in the 70s decided differently, we would most likely have similar laws restricting the freedom of speech today. One question you had was, why the prosecutor searched for excuses for the individual that used the f word in this context? The answer for this is a bit difficult but essentially it is a difference in our justice systems. In the German system the prosecution has the role to simply find out the truth and any kind of evidence regardless wether it proofs the accused persons guilt or the opposite. While in the US on the other hand the prosecutor only has to find evidence that indicates the accused persons guilt. That difference derives from the fact that the criminal justice system in the US is based on a process between two parties (State vs. Defendant), an adversarial system, while in Germany we have a nonadversarial system in which the prosecution is not seen as a party.

[@lahmeSchnecke]

Hey Ryan, my daughter and I love to watch your Chanel. She always like the ones best when you read German. Honestly that's cute

[@andreas_s9127]

Have a nice vacation. Greetings fromm Aachen (GER)

[@Nils.Minimalist]

It's all about "Dunkeldeutschland" (Dark germany) no further question (or answers) needed.

[@andreamuller9009]

Ab wann ist " Spiegelleser " eigentlich eine Beleidigung ? Wieder mal jemand der die " Weisheit " des Axel Springer Verlags aufgesaugt hat wie Brot die Soße ?

[@ParaSpite]

Honestly, I think the prosecution is just desperately trying not to have to get someone punished for a commonly used insult. It's a bit backwards that this is even illegal in Germany. Most things are IMO better in Germany than in the USA, but this is one thing that's better in the USA.

[@tarkitarker0815]

no its not backwards, article 1 GG please leave germany if its so backwards. it was not meant as "whatever, fuck off" but instead solely to insult. thats not backwards, insulting someone because they dont want your nazi clothing on their jurisdiction is utterly backwards...

[@ParaSpite]

@@tarkitarker0815 Insults are an expression of free speech that should be protected by law, not condemned. The students are free to insult them back - or would be, if it was legal. Also, I'm Austrian, and frequently visit Germany. But I won't stop visiting just because of one issue - as I said, most things are better in Germany than in the USA (this is also true of Austria). No country is perfect, every single one has some kind of stupid, backwards legislation (at least AFAIK). There is nowhere for me to go that is sufficiently better. Plus, that wouldn't solve the issue of Germans having to live under such a stupid law. And before you ask, no, I don't know if Austria has a similar law. I only know Germany has it because I watch stuff like this. I'd have to look it up.

[@tarkitarker0815]

@@ParaSpite shut up, we dont live in america, your laws and freedoms dont care. article 1 of our constitution, the dignity of a person is untouchable and to protect.

[@tarkitarker0815]

@@ParaSpite also as you said you dont know things, yet you comment how stupid it is of ours, on the other hand i bet you would swing at someone that offends your mother or wife, you would go to jail in the us, THAT is stupid. btw do effing research, article 115 of your stgb, beleidigung 3 monate gefängnis oder bis zu 180 tagessätze, the same as in germany.

[@philippprime6844]

The prosecutor may have sympathized hard with the Nazi dudes in some way. I mean... we're talking about East germany here.

[@HallwiedasEcho]

Definitely. I mean you gotta do quite some mental twists to argue that FU isn't an insult...

[@montanus777]

@@HallwiedasEcho well, it just isn't - just like telling someone 'to go where the pepper grows' or 'to slide down my back', you can always tell them to F themselves.

[@dnocturn84]

Not necessarly. They were supposed to bring a case to court, which has a relatively low fine value. And with a high chance that this user and offender would have been able to avoid a fine anyway. So high costs and a low chance to succeed would have been enough to not bring this to court. I'm sure they also wrote that in their tree page letter somewhere. But it is hilarious, how far they went out of their way with a full set of rediculous explanations.

[@philippprime6844]

@@dnocturn84 And there is no cost to write this three page letter?

[@dnocturn84]

@@philippprime6844 I doubt they worked out this thing themselves. The insult itself was dealt with multiple times over the course of time on various courts. It is nothing more than a (stupid) summary that previous court cases created. This reply is most likely just a template that is stored on prosecutor servers.

[@sofievalerie2628]

The German word Geschlecht means sex but also gender

[@PPschnuppe]

Gender is also a made up concept and has nothing to do with sex

[@winterlinde5395]

But the English word sex is Geschlecht/ gender or Geschlechtsverkehr/ Sex in German

[@Silicon_Magic]

I'm actually surprised the prosecuter's office took the time to explain their decision in so much detail instead just answering: "Live with it." Chances are higher to see an elephant in a helicopter landing on a daisy, than a successful trial of defamation here in Germany. From my time in law school I remember that there were only about 3 actual verdicts of defamation in the entire history of Germany (meaning since 1950) and in each case policemen were the victims. It takes MUCH more than a simple FU. Otherwise courts would have to deal with nothing else than this kind of stuff.

[@seb4462]

re german men prototypes: you are absolutely right. Indeed, the guy at the printer is a prototypical male german. typically, he can be found either in academics, education, or, in late stages of their professional career, as taxi driver or organic food store salesperson...(just celebrating my biases and s5ereotypes here 😅). have a nice time in Florida @ryan

[@schnelma605]

0:05 Enjoy your vacation!

[@goeuldi]

To be fair, suing someone because they said "Fuck you" on a social media post is something only an AStA (Allgemeiner Studierendenausschuss) would do...

[@MichaEl-rh1kv]

1:44 Not a typical German man outside of universities and startups. 2:24 Conservatives are mostly right wing, but the far right is not really conservative - they don't want to conserve, but to tear down the existing and replace it by a dark fantasy world. 7:20 Some local prosecutor offices are known for being very reluctant to prosecute right-wing perpetrators. Insult is an offense in Germany, but only prosecuted if the insulted files a complaint (other as with "ex officio" crimes like robbery, murder and so on which the police as well as the prosecutor have to investigate as soon as they become aware of it. In this case it would be classified as hate speech, which includes insults, defamation, but also violation of human dignity - which would then become an "ex officio" crime. And that's probably the reason for the prosecutor to search arguments to not be obliged to investigate it.

[@pfalzgraf7527]

There is the possibility that someone (or some ones) in the Prosecutor's office is (are) ... not entirely against this kind of ideology. Sadly, if that is the case, it would harden prejudices against Eastern Germany.

[@opamitbrille6503]

It certainly would not have happened in Bremen.

[@MichaelBurggraf-gm8vl]

Hey Ryan, enjoy a pleasant and relaxing vacation!

[@stefanwalter5485]

To your question why say it wasn ´t an insult, i have to quote Rage against the machine „some of those who burn crosses, are the same that work forces“

[@bronylowt]

Either the translator mistook "sex" with "gender", or they were afraid of using the word "sex" on YT - I guess

[@siskafan461]

Have a nice vacation.

[@stef987]

Have a nice vacation! Btw. 'Justitias knifflige Fälle' would be 'Justitias tricky cases'.

[@young19boy]

In Germany, insult / offend is a crime, yes. Freedom of Opinion (Germany) is not the same as Freedom of Speech (US).

[@dan438]

The gender thing was a misstranslation in your translation program. "Geschlecht" means "sex" and "gender" in German. The correct translation would have been "sex" in this context, not "gender".

[@renehasselmeier9866]

Insulting is criminal Act in Germany but with a Twist. Insults are directed against the lowest Legal Interest wich is Honour. Because of this one can not use the right of self-defense by all means. Self defense must be equally or less strong but effective. So the only two things one can do would be a criminal complaint (misdemeanor Complaint) or simply insult the other Person back and get away with it. The last is exactly how you start a Barfight.

[@petebeatminister]

I have heard different opinions on that. Even to the point that physical force is justified to stop someone continously insulting you. You have to warn the person clearly that you will not tolerate being violated further, then you can do whatever it takes to make it stop. Well, beginning with the lowest reasonable level of force, of course. But you dont have to let someone commit a crime on you in general, and have the right to protect yourself - also in the case of insult.

[@petebeatminister]

@@SASMacDroid Well, it was a vlog of some german lawyer here. It was said that it is debateable, as 2 legal fundamentals collide. For one the "Selbstschutz" rule, that allows you to defend yourself against a crime being commited - and no, you don't always have to wait for the police to sort things out. On the other side is the "Angemessenheit der Mittel" in the given situation, so not to use excessive force. Yes, it is moving on thin ice, but I just wanted to point out that things are not as clear as you descibed it.

[@mickypescatore9656]

Yes, funny! Language can be a living thing that changes and varies.

[@winterlinde5395]

You could show us some little snippets of an American vacation! Or just enjoy vacation and have a break from KZbin, too 👍🏻

[@ge.h.1902]

the public prosecutor not only collects accusations, but also exculpatory evidence. With such a vulgar language, it comes across strange, since the official language is not always understandable for everyone.

[@Tattsumii]

Have a great vacation!

[@ilksral3815]

Insulting someone is a misdemeanor in germany according to § 185 of the german criminal code (StGB) which reads (Not word for word but as close as possible): "Who insults another may be subject to up to a year in prison or a fine; when the insult is public, in a gathering of people, or made by distributing something (§ 11 paragraph 3, German criminal code) or is done violently, the offender may be subject to up to two years in prison or a fine. If it is an insult or not is in fact debatable, the public prosecutors office here sided with an old ruling of the german constitutional court from 1958 (Az. 1 BvR 400/51) in which the court ruled that any phrase that could have multiple meanings has to be interpreted in the most positive way for the defendant. If thats applicable and called for here is disputable though.

[@abltanarana]

Funny that in your subtitles the "Advertisement is out!". I have no idea what "Anzeige" means in English

[@kvasirsblod1289]

"Strafanzeige" heisst auf Englisch "criminal complaint".

[@abltanarana]

@@kvasirsblod1289 Da weiß ich ja jetzt bescheid, vielen Dank!

[@GettingNervous]

The prosecutor is from Eastern Germany, that explains a lot.

[@icetwo]

This is an insult and an insult is punishable in Germany

[@DalaiDrama-hp6oj]

To me, the rest of what they wrote about throwing those symbols at them seems lot worse than that f***t e**h

[@MellonVegan]

6:30 The German language doesn't differentiate between sex and gender. "Geschlechtlich" should have been translated to sexual.

[@maiklohre3476]

What you really should look for is european music Festivals like Wacken Open Air! Thats what really is fun in here

[@chriscross1139]

Have a nice vacation

[@MichaelBurggraf-gm8vl]

Anything else from German justice related to extreme right wing cases would have been an extraordinary surprise to me. Particularly, sadly, in the east of Germany where the town of Gera is located. Learning from history ? Oh come on, tell me a different fairy tale for a change.

[@rainerwahnsinn9585]

The old guy is the survivor of 1968^^

[@MrLefthooker]

Lol no. . he's not a genre of German man. He's a life long student.

[@armitage9204]

So he is a genre of German man. 😅

[@MrLefthooker]

@@armitage9204 you might be right, although I can't identify with it 🤷🏻

[@armitage9204]

@@MrLefthooker Same.

[@BlackWater_49]

6:07 Yes it is but they don't mean gender but sex-related (as in sexual organs) but he translation apparently thought gender is on everyone's mind so that's what the much mean. But yeah, "fucking" is definitely sex related...

[@waltergro9102]

After aked by the AStA (student's union) to forbid extern workers to wear the shown clothes the university administration of the University of Cologne anwered that according to law it's legal to wear the said clothes and the extern workers weren't subject to the "principle of neutrality" (like wearing no clothes with political symbols, statements etc.) employees of the university were. But I'm surprised that the students from the AStA seem to be under-worked. They seem to have a lazy student's life. My student's life was different. My chemistry studies were very exhausting. I had spare time but I needed that for recreation. These students seem to have a propensity for persecuting dissidents. I grew up in an atmosphere of free opinion. Back then you still didn't get into prison because of differering opinions. We had absolutely no problem to disagree with teachers and other persons of authority. But persecuting dissidents or denunciation was the worst we could imagine - back then in West Germany. According to my observation the said students probably will censor, oppress and persecute dissidents whenever they get into positions of power - if extremist or not doesn't matter. They are used to call everyone who isn't of their opinion easily an extremist if only they don't like his opinion.

[@mauricebeyerle4195]

Geschlecht = Gender Geschlechtsverkehr = sex, coition... In that case "gender" was used as genitals for example

[@kenninast]

In Murica, "freedom of speech" is valuated higher than the normally equally strong "human right of personal integrity". In other 1st world countries, that's usually not the case. All human rights are equal. Therefore the human right of personal integrity cannot allow insults to be protected by the right of freedom of speech. It just doesn't work that way. That is why in many 1st world countries, hate speech, insults, holocaust denial, nazi paroles, and so on, and so on, and so on are outlawed. They aren't necessarily always automatically a crime, though. Depending on the severity of the speech, it can be a crime (when discrimination is involved, for example) or a misdemeanor. Often the judge will mediate, rather than punish. And sometimes the charges are dropped due to banality of the claim. NOW, to the background of this very story, which is very important to understand the entire problem here. Gera is in Thüringen, which is in what we call the "new federal lands" (neue Bundesländer). These are those states that were in the DDR before the reunion, a little more than 30 years ago. The DDR was communist, so it's not really that odd that since the fall of the Wall, those regions are weary about leftism (even the good and positive leftism!) and turn to the opposite. That's why the former DDR has the hightest percentage of racism in Germany. Right wing crimes are about ten (!!!) times as frequent there than in the rest of Germany. The AfD and NPD (the two extreme right unparties of Germany) are very strong in that region too. And now there's Gera, where the prosecutor's office - who are rather likely also right wing - is trying to minimise the racist insults of one of their subjects. After all, it's very well known that right wing extremists, just like during the years before WW2, are infiltrating and undermining all kinds of protective services, like police departments, fire departments, prosecutor's offices, and so on. Makes total sense, as disgusting as this is. Gera actively tries to trivialise the claims of the claimant. Unacceptable! Reality, unfortunately, but unacceptable nevertheless! What the prosecutor *SHOULD* do on the other hand: suing the culprit on the misdemeanor of insult towards the student and on the crime of spouting the following acronym and number. This should result in prison time, at least on probation, some fine and some community work.

[@lotemylife3006]

Many Germans get a license plate with their initals, I can never do that xD My initals are S and S 🤦The same goes for my mum, so I'm surprised she didn't think about this before naming me xD

[@MarkusPingel]

This show is a sarcastic show in Germany.

[@ArmandoBellagio]

I guess the translation of the Geman "Geschlecht" was wrong because it can mean gender, but also sex. Well, it's defintely an insult and especially with those symbols you would get prosecuted for that in Germany. Enjoy your holidays in Florida, I'm going to Lisbon soon as well.

[@mrsquid_]

4:30 good translation: "Even though the word 'fucking' is nowadays mostly associated with gender..." the word Geschlechtsverkehr, literally meaning Gender Traffic, is used as a formal version of the word sex(the act). "rubbing and grinding was translated from the German words 'reiben', which i rarely hear in intimate context compared to 'rubbing', and 'schleifen', which has zero sexual meaning and is used mainly for processing 6:25 "ad is out" is a bad literal translation. the translated phrase is "Anzeige is raus." the word "Anzeige can mean ad, Display or a report to the police. common store policy is "Jeder Diebstahl wird Angezeigt" meaning they will call the police when they catch you stealing, no exception

[@Ellisepha]

Enjoy your vacation!

[@Lina-xi7fi]

This is kinda funny to me, I live near Gera and everything just fits so well to this city

[@LeDudeNigginz]

I think they wanted to tell her: "There is much worse things in this world than "Fuck you". Get in Line! Case closed.

[@sandrod6483]

You right about that one german steriotyp at the beginning

[@nina04.k]

insulting is a violation of human dignity and is therefore prosecutable

[@nina04.k]

I think You even could defend yourself physaclay because that would be self defense but only while the other person is insulting you because after it would be revenge or something like that... 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@sarumanork-orphanage5612]

the German man or more precisely "type of German man" reminds me of a Belgic man I met once..

[@avsbes98]

6:08 I think that's just mistranslated/ translated from extremely formal german here. "sexual" would probably be a better translation?

[@glaubhafieber]

Don’t forget that extra3 is a satire show 😱

[@GanjaGandalf420]

The man in the video is a famous Steven Seagal double

[@marcromain64]

He can't live of this these days, I suppose? 🤣

[@user-jz7vp7kg1u]

they mistranslated "Geschlecht" which can mean both "sex" and "gender" but means "sex" in this context as "gender"

[@BlueHenning]

never seen a guy like that in germany, seems to be a foreign professor

[@bellpepperknight809]

Wow. Those comments. Either not checked the law or not understood it before posting. Nearly as bad as the translation. *_To clerify:_* The clip was about construction workers wearing far-right-wing (radical) cloths. And a university in Cologne complaining about it with "We don't think you should wear that in a free and open country." and the negativity that post got online. The show then went on how the prosecutor did not act upon the insult "f u c k you (group)." The policeman example is lacking. *_In German law:_* The insult is declared a crime, but a lesser one at that. It is a so called "Antragsdelikt" (report to prosecute crime). They did report it and the prosecutor went to work. So far so good. Now an insult in German law has different variants. They all have a slightly different additional conditions. But they all have the same pre-requirement: *An insult can only be against a person or a legal bodyship. (See § 194 STGB)* The university is not a legal bodyship in this law. There we reach the first problem of declaring this an insult: "euch" [you (group)] Which is also the reason, why the example: "If you go to a police officer and say 'f u c k you', you can bet he understands the insult." is lacking. -> Yes, he will, because it is no longer the you for a group but the you for a person, therefore the pre-requirement is fulfilled. Now the conditions of insults are declared around the ability of an insult to reduce the value of the targeted person. "F you" doesn't devalue a person in the sense of the law, does it? Next is the entire phrasing of the comment, which protected the person even from hate speech, the insult against groups ("euch") handled by a different law. The phrasing has too many elements of cynical speech and sarcasm. With this a defense in direction: "I was just using sarcasm to point out how I do not agree with the university complaining while not reporting those construction workers for their radical right-winged views. In a certain way, I did satire." Satire is using the one exception of the use of forbidden symbols: for educational purposes. Not sure how solid this defense is, but the prosecutor might have determined, that this defense would win in a German court, because of "in dubio pro reo" (If there is plausible doubt, void the case; literal: In doubt decide in advantage of the prosecuted) I can fully understand the decision of the prosecutor after checking the actual law. *_Disclaimer:_* However I'm not a lawyer and it's late, I'm only able to read and figure out text. So feel free to show me any flaw in my analyses. But don't even dare to comment with your anti-east-germany crab (typo intented) of must have been nazis in that prosecutors office. You can check the entire law here if needed: www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/index.html#BJNR001270871BJNE035604360

[@losylin3630]

1:45 yeah😂😂😂😂

[@bufferjoetommas]

im from ger and the friend of my father looks exactly like the guy in the begining.

[@prodbysen]

She said they also wore landser shirts Landser was the biggest neo nazi band in germany with antisemitic, xenophobic and racist lyrics They also promoted violence against their enemys in some of their songs The other brand was thor steinar, a well-known extreme right wing clothing brand, in my eyes also a neo nazi brand So the students did the right thing

[@juergeng6502]

Yep, nazi band, nazi brand. Alerta Alerta Antifascista! 🚩🏴💚🏳️‍⚧️

[@alvarTV1991]

FYI 88(HH) = the 8th letter in the alphabet. I think u can figure out the meaning of this. There are some other numbers that used or maybe are still forbidden like 18(AH) in combination with something else.

[@thehun1234]

For decades all cars registered in Hamburg have HH as the first two letters of the registration number. I believe it comes from Hansastadt Hamburg. Will they ban that too? They even have AH plates which is the Borken district in North Rhine-Westphalia. Until now nobody was bothered by these plates but suddenly they are a problem.

[@alvarTV1991]

​ @thehun1234 afaik its not for the city letters its for the letters you chose yourself, and only for certain combinations. i don't know anything about hh for hamburg being a problem, but maybe politicians changed their mind.

[@thehun1234]

@@alvarTV1991 I think the HH and AH as first letters are far more noticeable than similar letters in the middle of the registration plate.

[@waltergro9102]

Ich frage mich, ob die Studenten im Asta nicht ausgelastet sind. Ich bin promovierter Naturwissenschaftler und hätte damals gar keine Zeit gehabt, soviel Zeit in so etwas zu stecken. Was könnten die wohl studieren?

[@jimmyincredible3141]

The one hour work to write three pages about why its not a crime saves the prosecutor days of work for having to prepare an actual case - its that simple...

[@CabinFever52]

Have a great vacation!

[@nani6663]

he is one of the typical it classes :D

[@kellymcbright5456]

Without the wider context of whats going on in society - no way to understand the whys once again.

[@Fuzzy8804]

insulting is a crime in Germany here

[@jensschroder8214]

right extreme slogans like "88" and "HH" (heil Adolf H.) too

[@Auvas_Damask]

Yes, insulting someone is illegal in Germany. Freedom of speech does exist here, but human dignity is inviolable.

[@Why-D]

Insulting is a crimein German, but since in social media many people very fast insult other and more and more people now, press a charge, the Staatsanwaltschaften have lots of work. And if there will be a trial, very likely the defendant will have such an excuse, saying "I only wantetd t mention, they should keep on with the hard drill" or similar, at the end, there will be no to a very small punalty. So the effort seems to be very high, for this small penalty and the Staatstanwaltschaft, want to avoid this, explaines, why they won't start a trial. So the only option would be to make a civil case instead of a criminal case.

[@sarumanork-orphanage5612]

they don't mean "gender". they mean "sex". As in genitalia. Took me a moment to understand, though.

[@voyance4elle]

Have a good vacation :)

[@benne_drakenpancer]

The prosecutor's explanations are ridiculous. While ethymologically right, in that context I it's definitely an insult and nothing else.

[@Kivas_Fajo]

Quite average Hermann, yes.

[@Kivas_Fajo]

I could fix your computer via remote. I work in IT for quite some time, I can fix it. ^^

[@ianthomas7439]

Gera is in East Germany. The prosecutors there seems to be quite nazi-tending themselves. Sadly, quite no surprise as right wring extremests (not just conservatives) are quite a substantial part of general population and made their way into the institutions. Quite many racist policemen there, too. And, yes, eff ya is just an insult. But unfortunately, insulting is criminal in Germany, which quite conflicts with free speech. So, the prosecutors want to prevent their political friends from being lawfully prosecuted.

[@gia6795]

So maybe it was a good thing to keep the wall

[@dnocturn84]

You're going quite a bit too far here. I highly doubt this would have turned out any differtent in Cologne itself. They were supposed to bring a case to court, which has a relatively low fine value. And with a high chance that this user and offender would have been able to avoid a fine anyway (maybe turns out it was a teenager or even younger; or avoid it alltogether with: "my account was hacked" or something). So high costs and a low chance to succeed would have been enough to not bring this to court. I'm sure they also wrote that in their tree page letter somewhere.

[@ianthomas7439]

@@dnocturn84 you're (deliberately?) confusing two separate aspects 1st is assessing a conviction probability and whether the case is substantial enough. That's a valid point and prosecutors disregard a lot of cases in that manner. Wouldn't have been an issue here. 2nd is the very content and attitude of the prosecuting office's reply. Their weird views and their effort into elaborating those weird claims, totally unnecessary for the 1st aspect, clearly exhibit their mindset. So, given 2nd aspect and basic knowledge and experience about executive and judiciary in East Germany, I can and do stand by my comment. It's not too far, it's reality unfortunately.

[@dnocturn84]

@@ianthomas7439 Well, you did point something out, that I didn't consider. I expected them to have replied with your aspect no. 1 and this rediculous reply being a second/third/something reply, in an ongoing conversation via mail. The extra3 footage doesn't allow to judge this at all, due to not mentioning any further details. The footage does imply, that this was the first and only letter they ever received. If this is true, than I can understand and agree with your position. But I can't believe this is actually the case. This would be the weirdest reply ever. "Assessing a conviction probability and whether the case is substantial enough" is the first thing they always do / have to do. When I have more time, I'll try to find out more about this event.

[@dagmaranja888]

Well, there's good and evil in this world! Many people don't seem to be able to detect what is what any more.

[@Lichti82]

So I can tell "f u" to everyone now, even authorities, and refer to the verdict of this case? gg, Freibrief

[@charlenereichelt2831]

I wonder about the political affiliation of the public prosecutor in Gera... 😑

[@lightjack0540]

Yeah we have a law that prohibits multiple things related to unconstitutional organisations (that is mostly the right-wing situation, but can also include any other organizations that might be considered to work against the constitution.) Prohibited is by law (German StGB, §86, 86a): The distribution, production and usage of symbols, marks, hallmarks, flags, etc. of organizations or political parties that are deemed unconstitutional. In fact, you are by law allowed to take any necessary action in order to prevent someone from changing the german state order (e.g. establishing a dictatorship).

[@salkinreslif9830]

About the relation with f*** and gender in Germany: I think was mentioned so often, because the german word "Geschlecht" (gender) is used in a few more cases. The best example is the word "Geschlechts-verkehr" (directly translated: "gender-traffic") wich is just another, more formal word for sex. There is also a "Geschlechts-teil" (gender-part), wich is another word for "genital". And that is why the lawyers put the f-word in relation to "geschlecht". Funfact: Geschlecht can also mean "bloodline". Here is a example: "Dieses königliche GESCHLECHT ist 100 Jahre alt." "This royal BLOODLINE is 100 years old" So... Yes, your f-word and our f-word realy are the same thing.

[@richardhaegeler6858]

i would use 'Sexualität' for gender and for 'Geschlecht' i use sex. (in : Geschlecht what you are, Sexualität what you do) Geschlechts-Teil - sexual-part, Geschlechts-Verkehr - sexual-traffic

[@richardhaegeler6858]

Addendum : just like Mist means a pile of shit in german (originaly both meant the same the steaming part of steaming pile of shit. english went with fog and german with shit) or Gift means poison in german (something you can give some one in the same situation)

[@Grovinchen]

@@richardhaegeler6858 Gender is zero percent related to sexual orientation

[@HoneypawsModsDE]

You know, i kinda hate German Law-Enforcement sometimes... Well, actually i mean it literally when i say "sometimes" because some Law-Enforcers are good, some are bad, this is especially important if you end up in a Courtyard and your Judge or Prosecuttor has a "bad day"... then they can sometimes be unbearable "Assholes" but some other times they can be so nice that you could go Bowling with 'em or have a nice Time eating some Ice Cream and drinking cups of Coffee with them... IF (and that's a big IF on purpose) they have a bad day, they sometimes even act against you as if they were corrupt or somebody bribed them to act in favor of someone who hates you... This is here in Germany most of the time a huge "Game of Luck" if you get nice people or assholes... sadly it certainly is as shitty as it sounds, not gonna lie... Our Laws are also not really the greatest in some cases, especially if someone stole something from you and you can't prove it that the stolen part is your property (because you lost the receipt from the stuff you bought which was stolen from you) because then the thief can just say that he didn't steal it from you and that it was gifted to him by his/her ancestors/family (aunts, uncles, mom, dad etc.) which makes it a "word-against-word" case, where both parties are considered "right/correct" but also "wrong" at the same time, which makes this entrie case become "dropped" or just "delayed to another trial" until the evidence against the robber can be proven in a physical matter (if you manage to find the receipt after some time of digging around in your files that you've hidden in a safe, locker or on a digital medium) or in a digital matter (Security Camera Footage or other Video Recordings of the robber stealing your Stuff), otherwise the robber might be able to keep your stuff... That being said: Stay always safe and aware that anytime, anything can happen... (also keep the nice quote in mind: "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong" (at least that's what i always keep in mind, even when i change the "go wrong" part against "happen", in this case))

[@Winona493]

Dear Ryan! Are you ready for a Q and A?

[@vaxrvaxr]

Who knows what was in the actual letter. But from what we have, the simplest explanation is that the prosecutor thought it was petty to prosecute someone for "f_u".

[@DramaQueenMalena]

It's "sex" not "gender". The translation was wrong.