Why Yoda Voted AGAINST Qui-Gon Jinn Joining the Jedi Council - Star Wars Explained

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[@snoochieboochies6957]

“Trust in the Force, as long as the Force doesnt go against the Jedi council” - Yoda probably

[@No-b.s.]

Just another reason why Palpatine was right when he said, "Your arrogance blinds you Master Yoda"

[@joshuahenderson3444]

And he was right much like Qui Gon

[@reyvillegasjr166]

Burrnnnn!!!! 🤪🥵 if only he wouldnt do the same kind of nonsense and start the parade while the rebels and Luke are still alive ,and you've been forseeing Luke kill you multiple times and yet nothing can stop you 👿 certainly not those cute lil bears in the forest 🥳 completely harmless to our trained stormtroopers with guns 😎 I can't lose cuz im so evil I'm Kool....

[@No-b.s.]

@@reyvillegasjr166 The force has a way of giving empires or powerful beings the middle finger when they unbalance the force. Just look at what happened to the Rakatans, after ruining the balance they were stripped of force sensitivity as a species. Also Anakin Skywalker was destined to bring balance because the force was reacting against Darth Plaguis' attempt to manipulate and create life through The Grand Experiment.

[@reyvillegasjr166]

@@No-b.s. crazy that I always say " the universe balances itself out eventually...if someone screwed you over,they too will one day feel your pain,so stop worrying and tripping about it,keep your focus here and now on this moment " lol I consider myself a Padawan to Qui Gon across space antd and time,deep within the force just like how Bane considered Revan to be his master by studying Revan's teachings and halocrons,Made his master proud by adding Revan's holocron to the Telos holocron so that Revan could join the other sith lords in what could be the greatest source of sith and dark side powers and abilities and teachings of all timee!! I believe that King Adas created it when the Rakatan tried to honey pot Adas by showing him how to create holocrons lol

[@No-b.s.]

@@reyvillegasjr166 Palpatine also found Bane's holocron which allowed him to learn force maelstrom and later develop force storm. After this he gave the holocron to Vader

[@dreadrath]

Man, Dooku's liniage really get the bad end of the stick when it came to the Jedi. First they treat Dooku himself like some eccentric weirdo, alienating him. Then there's Qui-Gon who they also dismissed as a well meaning weirdo who asked needless questions just like Dooku. If including legends the Council handled the Komari Vosa incident horribly and cast her out instead of simply trying to understand and resolve the problem maturely. Obi-Wan, for all his loyalty to the jedi way lost some good will by training Anakin. Anakin himself was treated with suspicion and was barely tolerated. Then there's Ahsoka who the council was happy to throw to the wolves and alienated her so badly that, just like Dooku, she left the order of her own volition.

[@kevinthunder3375]

Then there was Xanatos, who fell to the Dark Side. Yoda's disaster lineage!

[@romanmetcalf4116]

I mean, Dooku’s lineage was Yoda’s lineage…

[@christianmino3753]

1) I really hate to be this guy, but it comes from the place of being in love with language and not being a dick, it's lineage. The word comes from line and age although it's not as simple as that, at the end of the day it is, and it's a good way to remember it. 2) They didn't really have it that great when it came to the Sith, or the dark side either. In legends quigon had an apprentice that I don't believe was a Sith but he fell to the dark side and they go into it slightly in "The life and legend of Obi Wan Kenobi" and I believe even more so in the Qui Gon novels.

[@romanmetcalf4116]

@@christianmino3753 as someone who is in love with language, can you tell me what a fromline is?

[@Phoenix_A.W.810]

How Yoda was to Qui gon is like how grumpy old men get when someone new and very gifted comes along with fresh new ideas and insight. It could be said that Yoda had an ego problem, just like he said of all the other jedi, but refused to see it in himself. Its serves as a lesson to all that just because someone is old does not mean he doesn't have more to learn, Nor does he know "everything" .

[@joshuahenderson3444]

Exactly!

[@EricRachal]

I think we all must learn this.

[@LifeEnemy]

There is always more to learn, and always room to grow. Only fools would think otherwise

[@kylerobison1425]

I see Yoda as a very gifted weirdo, almost a coward the way he runs, and hides, instead of battling the inquisitors

[@hilestoby2628]

Qui-Gon probably knew about the history of Revan and the invitation to the High Council to only reject it because he expected his opinions would not be listed too.

[@Ataximander]

Qui Gon wouldve been shackled and ruined by a Council position. He would serve the Force better out in the field.

[@taron6858]

Or manage to reforge it into a better council preventing the rise of the sith

[@Ataximander]

@@taron6858 he'd just be the lone voice for reform in a choir of conservatism

[@jimvenanzio6561]

He *Wanted* to. He wanted to so very badly. There was a Jedi he idolized that struck out into the Galaxy to do good in the name of the Force, guided by The Force and no one else. Sadly I have forgotten her name, but I think Either Geetsly or Stupendous Wave covered this in an earlier video.

[@SoldierOfGodwyn]

Qui Gon was based and I wish he had more screentime

[@TheJcjonesacp]

Qui-Gob is base sigma male in Star Wars

[@dragonmaster0626]

Yoda's character arc clearly showcases that yes he was arrogant and stuck in his old ways but that he was willing to learn from his failings and pass on those lessons to the next generations. Thats why he and Obi Wan waited for Luke and Leia to seek them out for the path of the Jedi.

[@Sporegenitelo]

Shame it took killing 90%+ of the Jedi for Yoda to learn his lesson

[@MegaMantra]

@@Sporegenitelothe will of the force is not the failing of one alone what transpired is exactly the way the force had it so.

[@YamamotoKazuo]

The Jedi was evil, Anakin/Vader was right.

[@HealthyNugs]

Yoda still had to be convinced by Obi-Wan. Yoda refused to train Luke at first, but then had faith in Leah if Luke should fall. He really did a lot of growing in-between scenes in Empire Strikes Back. I think letting go of the old ways, and training Luke gave him the peace he needed to become one with the force. This is reinforced by Yoda's force ghost burning the "Sacred Jedi Texts", with a cheery grin.

[@megadethantho98]

It’s still took over 800 years to realise his mistakes. I believe Yoda is one of the worst jedi Grand Master ever. Blind, stubborn and outdated, while still refusing to see it. We are far from Grand Master Satele Shan, and even further from Grand Master Luke Skywalker (in legend of course…)

[@Tryingtogetradical]

I like to think Qui Gon came to Yoda after death as a “Surprise, bitch. Bet you thought you’d seen the last of me” petty moment

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

If the Council had listened to Revan, maybe they'd have survived. Qui Gon was definitely a prime example of what the Jedi could have been if Revan's teachings had been taught. Love is something the Jedi should have taught rather than feared.

[@jjkehrley]

Well, of course Qui-Gon is dangerous, he's Liam friggin Neeson! 🤣

[@christopherbailey5616]

Yoda trained Jedi for almost a thousand years. The galaxy moved on. He didnt.

[@joshuareynolds6970]

Their council was more an echo chamber than a true council.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Yoda meant for Dooku to eventually replace him as Grand Master. It is why he took on Dooku as padawan despite his personal rule and the convention of GMs not taking on learners. However, Dooku was to strong-willed, and too unorthodox in Yoda's opinion. Most gifted student? Greatest duelist if the time? Yes. Team player? No. But it is a shame. Instead of looking for a carbon copy, Yoda should have seen that different times called for different leaders. Additionally, Mace Windu was most certainly not that new leader. He was even more dogmatic than Yoda. In the end, Dooku's line DID change the Jedi by destroying it.

[@adnan4688]

Windu was the one you send in for the kill. Dooku was the one you send to the press. Qui Gon was the one you would keep as a leader. Couple of years later, Anakin would reach his full potential,under Qui Gons guidance. Anakin would go to Sidious and Sidious would melt under his barrage of lightsaber attacks. Few more years later, everyone would die of old age and Anakin would retire as a happy husband and a father of two 😂

[@wanderlustwarrior]

Hell, Windu was probably more dogmatic *because* Yoda was rewarding dogmatism.

[@shadowbeast2276]

Defiance was something the council needed. Yoda was definitely too stuck in his dogmatic ways.

[@m0thdm]

Peacetime Jedi lol. Literally for almost 1000 years

[@ClaytonBigsby93]

Most incompetent & overrated character in Star Wars

[@m0thdm]

agreed! @@ClaytonBigsby93

[@wrought-ironheroEMIYA]

​@@ClaytonBigsby93I wouldn't say that. His arc towards the end of the clone wars remedies alot of his character flaws

[@rhircyn]

More like Yoda's stick was shoved far up his ass

[@ginantsfan5]

Obi-Wan: do not defy the council mast not agene. Qui-Gon: I will do what I must Obi-Wan.

[@TheRealSerpentor]

Yoda was jealous. He was holding him back.

[@masteroftheassassins]

Wow. And here I thought I could never find a reason to dislike Yoda

[@ghostface4404]

the depths of Yoda's pride is bottomless. Yoda was merely afraid that Qui-Gon would show him up.

[@Lazyboysnorlax]

Yoda was the direct cause of the Jedi fall. His failure to evolve with with the galaxy cause their force abilities to get stale and allowed Palpatine to blind them in the force.

[@edstockton3685]

Not only great character development for both Jedi masters but also an additional sense of foreboding and irony to Yoda's criticism of the order in Attack of the Clones: "Too sure of themselves they are, even the older more experienced ones." Yoda was aware of the problem but unaware he was a huge part of it.

[@ToolFloydChimera]

Yoda learned nothing from the structural rigidity that hampered the Jedi against the Nihil

[@davidcici11Evolution]

Ironic given Qui Gon will be Yodas Master in the neatherforce

[@matthewmann8969]

Yoda grew too stagnant, complacent, stale, plain, blank, or too comfy in his old ways he got too arrogant he along with most of the jedi council with few exceptionals were too dogmatic and sure of themselves the Jedis who were less by the books were Qui Gon, Quinlan, Dooku, Shaak Ti, Yaddle, Anakin, Plo Koon, Asajj, Aayla, And Ahsoka yeah.

[@njsanders]

This is why I agree with this quote by Dooku... Dooku: "The Jedi Order’s problem is Yoda. No being can wield that kind of power for centuries without becoming complacent at best or corrupt at worst. He has no idea that it’s overtaken him; he no longer sees all the little cumulative evils that the Republic tolerates and fosters, from slavery to endless wars, and he never asks, ‘Why are we not acting to stop this?’ Live alongside corruption for too long, and you no longer notice the stench.” When Yoda became Qui-Gon's "padawan" it wasn't because he had changed his ways, it was just another means to power. Yoda has always been my most hated character in all of he Star Wars saga.

[@alexkiraly2526]

Baylan Skoll had the right frame of mind, he didn’t miss the order just the idea of it

[@btrainbraydeboisseranc7570]

Love your content bro👍💯Thx for all the entertainment

[@geniushardhat]

I think it immature to feel that all people have to agree or have the same deep connection with everyone, I think it genius this difference of view, the Jedi are sentient beings not droids which could easily be set for protocol only. This awry bond of Yoda and Qui Gon Gin adds realness to the characters and development of the story as well the Jedi and their ongoing inner quest to balance then selves with the force.

[@AiDecc]

IMO this is one of your absolutely best, most informative vids! Thank you :)

[@brokenbridge6316]

Well this game me an insight into Qui-Gon n Yoda that I didn't know existed. Great video.

[@MrEntaray]

Qui Gonn sounds like a contrary warrior, which is very healthy for any body of likeminded individuals.

[@tehyonglip9203]

The "wise Yoda" we all know and love is only applicable for the O.T.s, Yoda only became more humble after his fight with Palpatine.

[@chadflanaganCFC]

It wouldn't of made a difference if Yoda accepted Qui Gon into the council or not, Qui Gon was the kind of Jedi that allowed the force to guide him he'd of hated the politics of the council.

[@JRMAV1]

Yoda was just jealous someone knew more than him at the time.

[@chiquita683]

Yoda sent millions of Jedi children to die in a war but then ran and hid in a swamp when he had to throw a fair one against The Emperor. The Emperor was the hero

[@theelite.esmithftw2825]

@@chiquita683that’s a crazy point

[@_InCognito81]

Qui Gon didn't no more then Yoda.

[@_InCognito81]

Yoda saw the error.of his ways and spend years on dagoba in penance

[@revolution545]

@@_InCognito81uh yeah he did 😂 that’s why qui gon knew how to become a force ghost, and TAUGHT yoda

[@Khalif-AllahEntertainment]

This makes me like Qui Gon more

[@sifk6163]

"How it MAY have been a detriment to all of them." Considering how things turned out, it was 100% a detriment to all of them. Qui gon was the best.

[@BlackJoePesci]

Yoda and almost everyone on the jedi council were generational haters 😂. I wouldn't want to be on the council either lol

[@johnpinkston3818]

Another example of why Yoda was/is overhyped. More times than I can recall, if things had gone slightly better/different, Palpatine would have been discovered. And more times than I can recall, Yoda was the tipping factor in the other way. It's as if in the grand architecture of the Force, there is something in its very nature such that it steers even the epitomes of Light unto the assistance * unintentional* of the Dark. The more I learn about the Jedi, the more I learn that they themselves brewed the essential ingredients for their downfall.

[@ryandenina7735]

Revan and Jinn were cut from the same cloth. Revan was so popular with other jedi that those same jedi joined him to fight the Mandolorians. They were called Revanists!

[@timothyvanhoeck233]

Revanchists

[@sashek8451]

Lol the Myers Briggs matched me as Qui Gon Jinn 😆 or Skywalker when I’m in my more introverted phases. I remember thinking ??? but the more I’ve learned of Qui Gon’s character and as I’ve matured over time, it makes total sense.

[@Linuxpunk81]

As time goes on Yoda becomes less and less likeable 😂

[@magicaltour1]

Yoda got humbled big time. I don’t believe he was ever I’ll-intentioned, but he was set in his ways.

[@colinleat8309]

Quigon Jin ( sorry for bad spelling) is the only teacher I would trust. He represented the Jedi going back to their origins. Like Ashoka. 🖖☺️🤘🇨🇦

[@lorenzog7811]

Yoda was the epitome of the stuborness that eventually led to the downfall of the order.

[@DieForYourFriend]

Yoda had to help the wookies tho😂😂 But seriously, it makes me wonder what if Dooku,qui gon and obi wan were alive. Would they try to erase the republics corruption and reestablish the council or kill sidous.

[@TheJcjonesacp]

The Jedi council needed change, it was becoming complacent, stagnant, dogmatic, and arrogant. They became antithetical to what the Jedi were supposed to stand for

[@darthmemewalker2807]

Because qui gon was not only the perfect example of a grey jedi, but he was also everything a jedi should've been, in my educated opinion

[@taron6858]

I dont think he was a grey jedi i think he was just a true jedi not tied down by politics etc

[@darthmemewalker2807]

@@taron6858 true

[@magicaltour1]

I wish they’d let Luke meet Qui-Gon’s ghost, I’m sure they’d get along famously.

[@aster4jaden]

The fall of the Jedi was well needed.

[@darthgoku90]

Yoda was definitely more respectful of Qui-Gon in the Legends continuity, at least in the Jedi Apprentice book series. In the first Jedi Apprentice Special Edition book, for example, Obi-Wan acknowledges that Yoda mourned Qui-Gon's death by no longer having private meetings at the Temple's Room of a Thousand Fountains after Qui-Gon was killed as it was a frequent meeting place between them. Qui-Gon in turn didn't seem to be considered quite as radical by the Council in those books either.

[@reyvillegasjr166]

Another hit against the Jedi,even Yoda was wrong I about qui gon, Anakin, against training luke , luke's unfinished training, Vaders redemption,ect,ect,....just goes to show that even Yoda was full of himself and thought him and his Jedi knew what the force was and wanted...yess their hearts were trying to be in the right place but full of hypocrisy to the max

[@reyvillegasjr166]

Ool

[@ClaytonBigsby93]

I’m sure this will upset some fan boys but I’ll say it - Yoda really was one of the most incompetent grandmasters of all time. The whole shtick of him having this unparalleled “sage wisdom” is an absolute farce. He may have been very powerful in the force, but his poor foresight & dogmatic decision making really does place him as one of the most overrated characters in all of Star Wars. Ultimately he bore more responsibility than anyone else in his time for the Jedi order losing its way.

[@darkwolfe6286]

It reminds me of what is said about people in dwell in ivory towers. Yoda and many of the Council members have forgotten what it was like to be out there among the people dealing with life and death and seeing and experiencing how ordinary beings lived. This is what happens when you remove yourself from those you are supposed to be serving. Yoda was one of the major obstacles that kept the Jedi order from progressing forward and seeing the world for what it was, not for what they thought it should be. They were truly blind.

[@anthonyvargas7564]

I'd bet qui Gon and Yoda placed a bet on who would become immortal first.

[@gabriellemaudlin9145]

I’ve said it a million times I’ll say it a million more. Yoda was a fool and 1 of the main leading factors to the fall of the Jedi.

[@BreitheNua]

It sounds to me like the other members only invited him to the council as a means to possibly restrict his ability to "embarrass" them, under the guise of honoring him and giving him a voice. Maybe they didn't think it consciously, and they convinced themselves it was to hear other perspectives, but I think that may have been the real reason they invited him. Even with that said, they don't like him much, so they feel relieved when he doesn't accept the offer. Then again if that were the case, Yoda would have sensed it and the source material would have commented on it, I'm sure.

[@ArulinETheKirin]

I am of a small minority who thinks Yoda was just Sidious' reflection......and just as uppity as Sidious

[@reyvillegasjr166]

Jeeezz!!😮😵😵 It's like the Jedi council purposely pushes their students to the dark side,stops any progress they've done,and most importantly the rules applied to some, sometimes,in some situations, Mace can embrace his dark side but only HE could resist the dark side and pull himself back .everyone else would get

[@InfiniteNaos]

Who would’ve thought the Avatar of the Light would contribute to the fall of the Jedi…..

[@merrillslaven6921]

Revan was born almost 4,000 BBY.

[@darthqui-gon5986]

Mater and Apprentice is my 2nd all time favorite, 2nd to only Darth Plagueis, EU novel.

[@gan5045]

Yoda was a rude muppet.

[@DeathScepter]

Qui Gon would serve the Jedi Order to be within the Field

[@overknightacention39]

"You useless old fool." -Darth Sidious

[@robertmueller2023]

Hello Ken Fisher. I enjoyed our telephone discussions. I recorded them all.

[@arezdracul8650]

Yoda was a wise master, but dogmatic in the old ways. If the old ways have worked in the past, why fix it. That’s the way he thought, as well as meany other Jedi of that era.

[@mikilonimoli3835]

This is a WHAT IF? what if qui gon didn’t die. A multiverse he survived. The possibilities

[@wanderlustwarrior]

Qui-Gon, Dooku, Palpatine, and Yoda himself: "Yoda failed the Force and the Jedi Order, because he has served too long and turned them dogmatic, and made himself blind to change and reality." Fans: "We're going to blame Mace Windu and the rest of the Council for being rude to Ahsoka and a clearly unstable Anakin by being strict about the rules Yoda taught them all." Anakin: "I went to Yoda for help and was actively told to ignore my problems and attachments like he has been ignoring them all along. Even when not strict, it's still unhelpful." The entire rest of the Order: [dies] Yoda: "A learning experience, this was. Laugh about it, I will, as I live in exile and take no active part in cleaning up my mess."

[@chiquita683]

Yoda instead voted for his side piece to join the council. Impeach Yoda

[@richarddoig1865]

I kind of disagree about Yoda. I think that HE personally embodies everything that was wrong, and corrupted about the Jedi, and particularly, the Council. He is like the Ancient Boomer of the council, too set in his ways to consider any other perspective but his own. Even as the order was crumbling, he refused to change. He didn’t notice the most powerful Sith Lord in centuries under his nose, mostly due to his own arrogance. He let Anakin’s inner conflicts fester, instead of showing him some compassion and just listening to him. He kind of did the same thing with Dooku, causing him to leave the order. You’d think he would have reevaluated then. When the order did collapse, and Palps took over, he ran and hid for 20 years, when the galaxy needed him most. Then , when Luke came along, he almost perpetuated the same cycle all over again. He stuck by the old ways, forbade emotional attachments, and compelled Obi Wan to lie to Luke about his father. I think that Yoda is highly overrated, and was too stuck in his own ways to see how they were actually destroying the order. Way before Sidious even showed up on the scene. The Ancient Boomer of the Jedi Order….

[@robpolaris5002]

Interesting how the ”chosen one”, the person who destroys the Sith gets to have a wife and not just anyone, they are always super attractive; Revan,(Bastia Shan) Anakin (Padme), Luke (Mara Jade). It’s like getting a hottie is the reward for taking out the big bad, lol.

[@timothyvanhoeck233]

6:14 Hundreds??? I think you meant Thousands.

[@jwiese100]

Qui gonn because of his ideals was seen as a maverick in the eyes of the council.

[@jonnovember2136]

Yoda😔 didn't want anyone who came in possession of #TDBank💳 card and lost it twice should be on the council... 🌎💘💰

[@rhircyn]

Mavericks are appreciated only after shit has hit the fan.

[@Charles-qw5ug]

I’m not well versed on Star Wars but how was jinn promoted to master? I’m pretty sure you have to be a master to be on the high council and I thought the only way to become a master was by training a padawan to knighthood. The only student I know for sure jinn had was obi and he wasn’t promoted to knight until after jinns death. So what am I missing?

[@magicaltour1]

He had Padawans before Obi, though I believe one eventually fell. That was Legends though, I’m not sure if it’s canon now. And while he was a maverick, his abilities in the Force were extensive.

[@Chocolat3Thund3r]

Yes his fallen padawan was Xanatos

[@austinbrenan7668]

For the wisest guy in the order, he was the dumbest MF in the universe.

[@alexkiraly2526]

The only real jedi on the council was Plo Koon, if Qui-gon became the grandmaster, things would’ve been a lot different and better for the good, Yoda really failed the Jedi order, Windu was good for the council as he knew parts of the dark side

[@Gor85]

Qui-Gon was completely right. He was useful on the field. He followed the Force,went on missions,helping people. He knew Coucil won't listen and that Jedi and Republic are falling. And will completely fall. He felt Sith rise,darkness coming. Though he didn't know how. Revan was also completely right. He knew how insincere Jedi were. Same with Dooku. They didn't respect him,he tried to warned them many times. And when Qui-Gon died that was final straw. He left the Order and later joined Palpatine. Your right,that's why we love Yoda. His development,growth. He learned from his mistakes. His relationship with Qui-Gon. He understood him completely. May the Force be with you too😀

[@TheHulk-ns5bx]

I go pee pee standing up

[@carlosgarza400]

Looks like both Yoda and Doku had similar issues with apprentice of apprentice

[@user-uy1gn4ho2v]

Qui gon had the stank of dooku on him. Just because you disagree with the council does not mean fight them or worse choose the darkside because you are angry and weak.

[@oddmanout8692]

I still think Reven and Qui-Gon could have had more influence on the council then they think. Not just by being so close to so many Jedi at once at the temple and connecting with them, but just as an living example. Reven especially, because so many Jedi could speak with and meet a married Jedi. Seeing that the concept worked, seeing him happy and the strength he drew from his love. If a council member could have that, it might not be so bad?

[@gibbs615]

I think Yoda really shouldn't have hated on Qui-Gon and let him on the council, then again they were too corrupted by politics for him to even trust back then.

[@Eplay_859]

How much does qui gon know about revan

[@Xyma-YT]

Yoda's Biggest Mistake!

[@Slick_Nick11]

I mean it makes sense. Yoda is overprotective. He's very pure and very far on the light side end of the spectrum. So that's how he deals with things.

[@jonathonbenfield6110]

While i definitely dont like how yoda treated qui qon i do respect how yoda didnt try to hide his real oppinions on qui qon like how i belive some of the councile masters did.

[@DanJuega]

Usually making Yoda not as wise and flawed would be a subversion of expectations that would add depth to a story. However, I don’t like it cause Yoda was already a subversion of expectations. So it only really twist you into the the place where you started.

[@BIGJATPSU]

I think Yoda secretly had Qui-Gon's best interest at heart actually. He knew if he was sat on the council he'd be "heard" but not listened to because of the current dogma. I think Yoda KNEW the end was coming for the Jedi but could not see the when and how. Thus Palp's saying he was blinded years later was 100% correct, and in turn Yoda proclaiming he was a failure as the Grandmaster even later still on Daghoba in the cave was further proof. I'm beginning to think like Palp's, Yoda was playing the long game, he just started behind and much later. Think about logically, if Yoda, the revered and unquestionable Master tell Obi-Wan you can't teach Ani, do we really think Obi doesn't listen? The Phantom Menace dialogue of course would have us think otherwise, but I think Yoda knew SOMETHING was going on..... and it'd fall in HIS favor WHEN the time came. Yoda was no fool and knew Ani had talent and a connection, his issue was his age and his attachments, again old dogma. However at this time Yoda knew the die had been cast and the Sith had returned AND claimed Qui-Gon, one of their best irregardless of his feelings for him. Yet when Obi-Wan proclaimed I'm teaching him no matter what, I feel Yoda knew this was his moment to put his plan into action. He probably didn't know HOW it'd end up, but he knew in the end his side would win. Pain and suffering yes, but the light side is stronger if you believe it. My thoughts anyways. Would love a "younger" Yoda series honestly, literally 900 years of stories to unpack! 😅😅

[@scurvofpcp]

The more I learn about Starwars lore, the more I Find myself wondering if Yoda was actually a Sith or some other dark side follower. He keeps reminding me of the OSS manual "Simple Sabotage Field Manual," It is like he is a sleeper that was forgotten about and he somehow ended up at the top of the food chain and was still downlow doing what he could to Sabotage the Jedi.

[@magicaltour1]

No, he’s just complacent. He’s gotten too old, too sure of himself and the dogma he’s followed for nearly a millennium. He seems wiser in the original series because he has been humbled so throughly by the prequels. In fact, a lot of the characters in Star Wars only gain wisdom after severe setbacks. Luke had a similar experience on Cloud City; it’s why he seems more “Jedi-like” in “Return.”

[@scurvofpcp]

@@magicaltour1 No, as in that is not a plausible suspicion? I'm not so sure. His Yoda's behavior is text book for what an enemy sympathiser saboteur would have. He clings to bureaucracy to slow down progress and only makes an overt move when it is critical. Even in this video he used a rare vote to try and keep Qui-Gon off of the council. That really makes me wonder where his loyalties were. I can buy that he was an avatar of the lightside sure, but considering the Jedi had fallen from the path it does make me question if that was a longer term goal of his.

[@magicaltour1]

@@scurvofpcp While that might be a fun idea for a fanfic, in canon it doesn’t wash. Yoda reminds me more of an old clergyman, who means well, but sticks to the dogma of his denomination, and is opposed to other views that don’t mesh with “official” doctrine. Qui-Gonn is like a religious freethinker, who do what they feel they’re led by their calling to do, even if it clashes with what the clergy say. Yoda wanting to keep Qui-Gon off the council is like the Pope trying to keep a John Calvin or a Martin Luther from becoming a cardinal. Sure, they’re technically the same religion, but the difference in orthodoxy is very important. A pity Dooku didn’t just start his own Jedi denomination instead of throwing his lot in with the Sith. Qui-Gon might have actually joined him if he’d done that.

[@scurvofpcp]

@@magicaltour1 If it is not going to wash in Canon then they need to do a better job of expressing the canon. Yoda has quite a bit of sus behavior and how many around him fell to the dark side? And I don't buy it that a being so in tune with the force could be so blind as to what was going on within their own order. Yoda literally has behavior that is outlined in real life OSS (precursor to the CIA)manual "Simple Sabotage Field Manual," that was issued to german civilians that wished to provide resistance to the N occupation in WWII. I am not talking from the perspective of fanfic. I am talking from the perspective that Yoda was a being with very high ability that was habitually making choices that in a lesser being could be attributed to an error of judgement. Maybe the storytelling left a bit to be desired in some places and that brought about a breakdown in communication. Or maybe there was a change of direction for the arc of the character. But as a general rule; if an expert is making habitual poor choices than one needs to evaluate if there is a conflict of interests at hand.

[@anthonyvargas7564]

The force really likes gambling

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 309 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@takai1284]

I more I hear about yoda the more I agree with count Dooku yoda was the worst grandmaster of the Jedi order

[@lissadawes4243]

I agree that Yoda was wrong to vote against Qui Gon being on the council but to say Qui Gon would have saved the Jedi Order is baseless.

[@colinschmitz8297]

Yes he had the last laugh in forcing the council to train the boy that they didn't want to train who brought about their destruction years later. The way that this is written, I find it debatable at best how correct Guigon really was. If the council wouldn't have trained Anakin as they had judged originally, Anakin wouldn't have been able to stop Mace windu from executing palpatine, and slaughtering all the innocent people at the Jedi Temple. This is the problem with so much retconning in the writing.

[@ghostface4404]

you're wrong. Anakin was the last test of the Jedi. Anakin was a compassionate and empathetic boy. when he left his mother, he was scared and lost. this was a test to see if they could show him what he showed to Qui-Gon -- to see if they could see what they've become and change... a test that they failed

[@colinschmitz8297]

@@ghostface4404 I am pointing out a plot hole. If the Jedi council held to their original decision and not trained him, they would have been fine. It's all fiction anyway.

[@ghostface4404]

@@colinschmitz8297 and, he'd he'd still be a slave who'd resent the Jed and Sidious would've had his successor.

[@colinschmitz8297]

@@ghostface4404 he had already been released from slavery by Gui-Gon in his deal with Watto. From there, his fate (if he were a real) could have gone in different directions. If he had ended up as Palpatine's hands, he would not be the turncoat/Trojan horse as he had been and would not be able to walk in and easily kill everyone. Having to face a known enemy with no emotional connection to them is a much easier battle to win (assuming no plot armor). Reconned plot device bacteria or not, the Jedi council following Gui-Gon instead following their rules brought about their own defeat based on the way the story is written.

[@ghostface4404]

@@colinschmitz8297 with what? his billions of credits? so, in essence, you don't believe the Jedi did anything wrong.

[@Thorrnn]

I thought qui gon gin didn’t Want to be on the council?

[@rodrigobarba930]

Cause he was a hater like Windu

[@AL13NM]

Why would anyone listen to Yoda? He can't even repeat your own words to you as you said them, it comes out all broken up and jumbled like he has a Learning Disability or something. And let's not forget he was alive for the entire Rise of the Sith and the Fall of the Jedi it all happened Right Under His Nose, and he never saw it coming! Yoda must have been a Temple Janitor but he outlived all the Jedi who knew this so he just gave himself a promotion to Jedi.

[@kevingallagher7585]

Qui gon had the last laugh? Bro the dude Yoda said shouldn’t be trained killed everyone

[@ghostface4404]

because they broke him. Anakin was a test -- their salvation? or, their damnation? they made their choice.

[@lukeallen4398]

Starwars is now as dead as Yoda and Qui..😢 only the spirit remains.

[@noneyabusinessbro]

I still think the flip obiwan did to kill maul was dumb as fuck.

[@graceypatrick]

One of the stupidest decisions yoda would make

[@zbanul10]

I thought yoda invited him and Quinn denied it