Why you need a JIS Screwdriver!

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Kraken's Garage & Adventures

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@whatsstefon
@whatsstefon 3 ай бұрын
When I was an apprentice my head mechanic said to me "You can waste your money on Phillips screwdrivers, or you can buy a good set of JIS screwdrivers once in your life and have them for life" I have very old set of wooden handle screwdrivers that I've owned for nearly 30 years. I went wooden because at the time oils and chemicals would ruin plastic handled drivers. Mine also have a steel end on the handle to allow for tapping with a hammer. The plastic ones at the time also didn't have that. JIS is a significant improvement over Phillips. Every person who ever has considered buying a set of screwdrivers, invest in a JIS set.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@whatsstefon Your master tech did you a solid. It's surprising how many Americans don't even know what a JIS screwdriver is. You should shoot a video on this topic, Stef. Honestly, this is your area of expertise. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@olafjensen4508
@olafjensen4508 3 ай бұрын
I'm 64 and a DIYer and only just noticed them
@shadow7796
@shadow7796 3 ай бұрын
I found out about these around a year ago. I was tired of having screws and other hardware on my Honda atv that wanted to strip out in the heads. These changed all that. Plus, they work in regular phillips head hardware just as good. They do not cam out nearly as easy. I really enjoy the quality of the Vessel Megadora screwdrivers, especially the impacta drivers. They're the best I've ever had.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Same for me, they're the best I've ever had. It's good to hear that you got your tools sorted for you're Honda ATV. Cheers
@SHHHMotoTravels
@SHHHMotoTravels 3 ай бұрын
Wow ! So much of that history I never knew !!!
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I hope it was helpful and informative. Thanks for watching.
@CycleGeezer
@CycleGeezer 3 ай бұрын
Who said you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Thanks for the info and history. I got a new screwdriver coming tomorrow.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@@CycleGeezer I hope it serves you well. They have been amazing for me. Thank you for commenting.
@KazoMoto
@KazoMoto 3 ай бұрын
Had no idea it was so technical. That is why I leave tools to Pottsy. Great video Eric. Thank you for sharing.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I'm quite sure Pottsy knows all about JIS screwdrivers 🪛! Thank you for stopping by.
@SHHHMotoTravels
@SHHHMotoTravels 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Eric ! I am going to search out the driver when I get back home.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@@SHHHMotoTravels I hope it helps you. :)
@Free_Ranger_CT110
@Free_Ranger_CT110 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video Eric, they really do make a big difference. One thing I'd add is buying a set of JIS bits to fit in your impact driver, invaluable in removing motorcycle engine case screws without damaging them.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Oooo! Good call, and I should have mentioned this. Honestly, I should just get rid of all my bits and Phillips screwdrivers. I don't know why I hang on to them. You should shoot a video on using them on a CT carb. This is gold info for your viewers. Thanks for commenting.
@Free_Ranger_CT110
@Free_Ranger_CT110 3 ай бұрын
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures I have mentioned JIS several times & shown the dot on the screw head. I wonder why JIS is not common knowledge.
@forrysc
@forrysc 3 ай бұрын
I got one for Christmas from a moto-buddy. It's one I use to most.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
They're a game changer for me. I should just toss all my Phillips in the trash. Thanks for stopping by.
@TRyanLearnBikes
@TRyanLearnBikes 3 ай бұрын
This information is golden. Everyone who has a toolbox , pro or amateur needs to be aware and use JIS drivers . Well crafted Eric 👍
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@TRyanLearnBikes I'm not the best at articulating my thoughts. It is my hope that this video helps a few folks.
@Ucmpigs
@Ucmpigs 3 ай бұрын
52 years and I just learned this…Gold Eric! Ordering one today! I assume you can get bits too.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
2 cents will c9me my way. 😂 Let me know after you've used it a few times what you think of it. I appreciate the reply, Sean.
@AkaBull
@AkaBull 3 ай бұрын
You’re never to old to learn something new 🤷🏼‍♂️
@Ucmpigs
@Ucmpigs 3 ай бұрын
@@AkaBull 💯!!!
@AkaBull
@AkaBull 3 ай бұрын
@@Ucmpigs 🤛🏽
@jeffreyfwagner
@jeffreyfwagner 3 ай бұрын
I am a very old guy who has been wrenching for decades and today I learned some good stuff. The dimple on the screw was real news. So the next question is: What screw spec is used on all that stuff we get from China?
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I'm not hating on China in this reply, per se. Chinese screw are terrible quality standards. They're rarely the same size on each and every one. Coupled with a very poor metal, they're soft and easily strip out. My advice is to replace them all with a quality set of screws. These Vessel Impacta screwdrivers are the best in the business. I hope you try one put. You'll be shocked at how productive they work. Thanks for watching, and I hope I answered your question. Cheers
@JunkyardDadski
@JunkyardDadski 3 ай бұрын
I was lucky to have a couple of JIS drivers in my socket bit set. It's always good to have the right tool for the job! 👍
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
They're a game changer. I hope this video helps a few folks out. Thanks for the support.
@PurpleOnThree
@PurpleOnThree 3 ай бұрын
Interesting history! Thanks, Eric!
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
You are most welcome. As always, I seem to dig down into the weeds a bit too much on any given topic. 😉
@jma8352
@jma8352 3 ай бұрын
the first one i got was in 1984 that came with my makita 2030 planer jointer
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
It's amazing how many folks don't know about this. It's good to hear that you're using one since '84. Cheers
@BogeyBiker
@BogeyBiker 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate you sharing! I learn a lot from watching your channel 👍🏼
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I hope my pro tips help you on your journey, Jack. Thanks for commenting. 🤙
@PaulG75
@PaulG75 3 ай бұрын
When l woke up this morning to another day of endless possibilities I never imagined that my knowledge of screws/ screwdrivers would increase so dramatically. Great tip.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I hope this small tool tip helps you working on your bikes. Thanks for the support.
@douganderson771
@douganderson771 3 ай бұрын
When I saw something about JIS screw drivers several years ago , I bought a set . To say I love them is an understatement ! I don't wrench much anymore but when I do my JIS set is my go to screwdriver.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
With age come wisdom, Doug. You have loads to share with folks. I had a feeling you would know exactly what I was speaking of in this video. I'll catch up with you soon.
@PurpleOnThree
@PurpleOnThree 3 ай бұрын
Excellent standard of quality! Can't believe that one is 10 years old that you showed us.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
The Japanese take quality control to a whole different level than the rest of the world.
@BigBert
@BigBert 3 ай бұрын
A very good tool purchase and use tip Eric. I agree 100%
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Clearly, you've turned a few wrenches. It's shocking how many folks don't know this tool tip. Thanks for commenting, BB!
@tonycoraccio3514
@tonycoraccio3514 3 ай бұрын
Where the Robertson’s is better than the Phillips, I find the do strip out pretty easy in an impact
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Yes, in their day, they were far superior. The JIS screwdriver is a much better design, though.
@GlidingOnTwos
@GlidingOnTwos 3 ай бұрын
Those work great! 👍🏽
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Correctamindo, Nore. You should shoot a series on proper tools to jave in your toolbox for working on bikes. This is your area of expertise. Thanks for the support, bother.
@josephpuisis7567
@josephpuisis7567 3 ай бұрын
Have these screws on my bike and carb and best way to deal with them is to change them out. Yup regular bolts or Allen head then you don't have worry about it. Japanese bikes like to use these on the side cases they make allen head kits for this .
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@josephpuisis7567 You make a valid point, Joseph. Many bikes, I've switched out the screws for Allen heads. Thabks for sharing your experience.
@peterdoherty7282
@peterdoherty7282 3 ай бұрын
Eric, you are such a wealth of information. Thank you!
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
My pleasure, Pete. I hope this helps you in the future. With age comes knowledge. 😉
@olafjensen4508
@olafjensen4508 3 ай бұрын
Good info, Ta. I like that impact.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@@olafjensen4508 I highly recommend this particular JIS screwdriver 🪛 👌 Thanks for stopping by.
@olafjensen4508
@olafjensen4508 3 ай бұрын
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures Just ordered a 2 and a 3. Any other sizes for motorbikes?
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@@olafjensen4508 I think you're set for 90% of your needs with the #2 and #3. 👌
@AkaBull
@AkaBull 3 ай бұрын
In all my years of wrenching on cars and bikes, this is the first time I’ve heard of this. Goes to show, you don’t know what you don’t know. Thanks Eric 🤛🏼🙏🏼🎉
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I hope this tool tip helps you out in the future. I try hard to pass on what little knowledge I have.
@AkaBull
@AkaBull 3 ай бұрын
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures Oh it will brother. Thanks for sharing
@RidingandWrenching
@RidingandWrenching 3 ай бұрын
great info! i was not aware of the JIS screwdrivers. I will be adding a set to my toolbox
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Glad I could help. After all these years of working on bikes, I've made just about every mistake a man could make. 😂 Thanks for commenting, Cue.
@mmotorcycles9497
@mmotorcycles9497 3 ай бұрын
Definitely have to have one especially working on the carburetors absolute must. Like the Henry ford story I’ve never heard that story and I’ve read and studied so much on him just an amazing man. When his engineers said it was impossible to cast a V8 block Ford replied,''Produce it anyway. God bless that man he helped build this country
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
If you like, I'll email the links to that Henry Ford Intel. He was quite the man in his day. For some reason, I knew you would know this tool tip. 🤔😂
@mmotorcycles9497
@mmotorcycles9497 3 ай бұрын
id love the link. I’ll email ya
@602North
@602North 3 ай бұрын
Well I definitely learned something. I knew nothing about JIS…didn’t even know it existed. I do now and I’m buying a set! Good info, my friend.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I hope this tool tip helps you in the future. Lord know you're working on something in the garage or the farm just about every day. :)
@STIFFRIDES
@STIFFRIDES 3 ай бұрын
👊🏻This was a great video. I had no clue!
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! I Ztei to share a few tech tips here and there. Thanks for the support! 🙌
@guyfuller1369
@guyfuller1369 3 ай бұрын
Well that was a revelation! Thanks!
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I'll be interested if you get a JIS to hear how it performs for you. I hope the tool tip helps you in your Indian travels. :)
@guyfuller1369
@guyfuller1369 3 ай бұрын
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures I’m definitely getting a set of them. And I shall report. And I ain’t goin’ anywhere near that Indian with a screw driver! 🤪
@theadventurousrider
@theadventurousrider 3 ай бұрын
Thanks to KZbin commenters I learned about this two years ago when I got my Honda Africa Twin. Due to that bike being an European bike and 90% of the views are from that area; when I was calling it a Philips head screw someone explained to me there was a difference in them. Sure enough after doing my own research there was and like you said you can tell a huge difference when using JIS vs Phillips. Great video and great explanation.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
It's a great lesson that needs to be taught to everyone. It's amazing how many Americans dont know this tool tip. Cheers
@PurpleOnThree
@PurpleOnThree 3 ай бұрын
Well I've never heard of this!
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Who says you can't teach a sister from another mother a new trick! 😂💜
@PurpleOnThree
@PurpleOnThree 3 ай бұрын
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures 😂😂😂🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️
@SpyderWayne
@SpyderWayne 3 ай бұрын
Growing up in Canada, when helping my Dad, he would ask me to hand him "the Robertson" more often than "the Phillips" but when the JIS came out with the hammer tap feature, that was just as much, if not more of a game changer as the Robertson was. But WOW, I didn't know how significant this was for Ford !! 😁👍
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Robertson changed the world. Canada must be proud of him. It's good to hear that you are on top of this tool tip. 🪛👌
@RoysMotoVentures
@RoysMotoVentures 3 ай бұрын
Guess i need to pick up some. 👍
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@RoysMotoVentures ill be interested in what you think after using one for a bit. Thanks for commenting.
@MRGS48
@MRGS48 3 ай бұрын
The JIS seems to be like some really old screwdrivers that had like a sleeve over a corkscrew if I am not mistaken… But since I don’t know any better screw this🤣🤣🤣🤣 Great video there Eric… I wonder why in the most tight and difficult places our Harleys have some really really soft screws/bolts. No wonder why some products were so much of quality back in the days…let alone the longevity of their motorcycles AND cars…made in Japan
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
It's amazing how many good folks don't know about a JIS screwdriver. I hope this short video helps a few folks put. Thanks for the support, Bobby. 🤙
@MRGS48
@MRGS48 3 ай бұрын
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures Im intrigued to get some JIS to my arsenal cause at this point I may go the Japanese bike route…🙄
@DFWMoose
@DFWMoose 3 ай бұрын
Why do I feel like I’ve just been screwed ……but in a good way? Great information- never knew the differences. Thx you taught an older man something today
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@@DFWMoose I'm so glad this info might help a few out. It's amazing how many Americans don't know about a JIS screwdriver. Cheers
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@@DFWMoose PS: You were first! Winner, winner, chicken 🐓 dinner!
@mrsmel269
@mrsmel269 3 ай бұрын
good info brother . i love more tools Kraken. hope your getting ready to go do some chasing
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@@mrsmel269 I hope you enjoyed it. Cheers.
@OutbackOutlaw
@OutbackOutlaw 3 ай бұрын
I did not know this. Wow!! Thanks for explaining this.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Who says you can't teach a brother from another mother a new trick! 😂🤙
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 3 ай бұрын
Great info. I worked on old bikes for years before I knew about these. I destroyed so many screws. An old timer in Ace hardware saved me, pre internet of course. Love the tips. Keep them coming.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Jerry. I hope these small tips help a few folks out.
@hawgryder51
@hawgryder51 3 ай бұрын
Another great video, Eric... I'll be ordering some of the Vessel JIS screwdrivers from Amazon... I particularly liked the impact driver feature... Thanks, and keep em coming!
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@hawgryder51 I sure hope I steered you in the right direction. Thank you for the kind words. Replies like this make doing YT a pleasure! 🙌
@SGTDuckButter
@SGTDuckButter 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing that, I love being educated
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I'm glad I can help a few with my small channel. I appreciate the kind words and support. 🙌
@Moz42
@Moz42 3 ай бұрын
Great bit of history about these screws and their drivers, Eric. This I did not know, thanks for educating me, Sensei Kraken. I'll definitely checkout the JIS screwdrivers. Cheers
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I'm glad this was educational for you, Moz. As always, I try to pave the road to every mistake I made on my moto journey. I'll be interested in hearing how you like them when you get to use them. Cheers
@RoadReality
@RoadReality 3 ай бұрын
Dude, JIS screwdrivers are AWESOME! I started encountering them, and was like WTH is this? I even rounded some screws out before I knew the difference. I did some research, and yep - totally one-upped the Phillips.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
100% up on Phillips. I'm glad you learned thus valuable tool tip. Cheers
@leslieaustin151
@leslieaustin151 3 ай бұрын
Completely agree, a JIS ‘driver isagame-changer. I’ve known about them for years, but only bought one a couple of years ago. For me, that’s the end of buying Phillips ‘drivers. JIS all the way from now on. Thanks for the video! Les in UK 🇬🇧
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Same for me. An absolute game changer. What's boggles my mind is how many folks don't know about them. Thanks for stopping by.
@TheSlab24
@TheSlab24 3 ай бұрын
I knew there was JIS and that it was Japanese-origin and superior to Phillips head, but that's all I knew - absolutely eye-opening Eric, the compatibility factor is an absolute sold-moment. 100% my next screwdriver will be JIS based on this video - I learned a great deal. Thanks!
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I'm glad I could help you. File this away, as it will serve you well in your lifetime.
@RoadsOfOz
@RoadsOfOz 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Eric. I have been looking for a good JIS screwdriver for a while now. Will be ordering one through the link.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
It may not help you as that's for US Amazon customers. I'm sure you can find one on Aussie Amazon. Thanks for stopping by.
@RoadsOfOz
@RoadsOfOz 3 ай бұрын
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures if you click on your link, it then takes me to the Australian Amazon for us Aussie’s
@Motoramblings
@Motoramblings 3 ай бұрын
Next on my list of tools to buy!!
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
It's a must-have for both your bikes. I hope this tool tip helps you out.
@Motoramblings
@Motoramblings 3 ай бұрын
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures it will for sure!!
@joewoodchuck3824
@joewoodchuck3824 3 ай бұрын
I'm rather annoyed with the continuous reinventing of the wheel with new screw head designs. They keep coming out with new ones that we have to go out and buy yet more screwdivers than we had before. The last one I recently came across was the star head. I only got them because I couldn't find Philips head ones. What a disaster. The set of star bits which were displayed next to the screws slipped on the first try. Never again will I buy new special screws. All I need are Philips which always works great.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I get it. It seems every project i work on has a differ proprietary bit to do the job. The star or Torx bits are tricky. They'll feel like the right size when you really need a size or two larger. There's nothing wrong with the Phillips. Enjoy what has worked for you this far. Cheers
@larry68hd11
@larry68hd11 3 ай бұрын
Great tip Eric, thanks .
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Larry. I appreciate you stopping by.
@roadstrom
@roadstrom 3 ай бұрын
Well you definitely sold me on one 👍
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I sure hope it helps you on your bike work. They're an absolute game changer for me.
@PurpleOnThree
@PurpleOnThree 3 ай бұрын
Hi torque you say? I wonder if it can stand up to Torquey Tommy lol😂
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Ummm... torquey Tommy would strip just about any screw. 🤔😂
@SpyderWayne
@SpyderWayne 3 ай бұрын
Torquey Tommy must love spinich... and Wheaties 💪
@hachewie
@hachewie 3 ай бұрын
My entire toolkit down here consists of one Phillips head screwdriver and one Allen key. I’ll grab some tools when I know I’ll be here permanently.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Soon! You'll be reunited with your gear. In the meantime, enjoy that beautiful scenery.
@dreamfly555
@dreamfly555 9 күн бұрын
I found my old Craftsman Philips screw driver did not fit that well to a JIS screw. But my new PH2 bits from both Makita as well as Milwaukee fit quite well to that same JIS screw. They also fit well to the drywall screws. Perhaps the newer driver bits are using JIS standard.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 2 күн бұрын
Maybe the new bits are JIS? I'm glad you have a set that works well for you. Thank you for leaving a comment. Happy New Year to you and your family.
@UncleVoodoo
@UncleVoodoo 3 ай бұрын
Believe it or not… my most used screwdriver, is on a Swiss Army knife 😮
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
@@UncleVoodoo I believe it. 😂😂😂
@MoeLarrycurly1
@MoeLarrycurly1 3 ай бұрын
I like mine ..... Best for carbs ...
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
100% correct. They're a game changer on doing delicate work, like on a carburetor.
@TheBlueBikeDoyle
@TheBlueBikeDoyle 3 ай бұрын
What happened to by American 🇺🇸 but enjoy the history lesson
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Nothing happened to it. The Japanese have made a better screwdrive for over 100 years. Why didn't America learn from this? 🤔
@MoeLarrycurly1
@MoeLarrycurly1 3 ай бұрын
I save all those screws...
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I've been known to hoard screws myself. 😂
@merikatools568
@merikatools568 3 ай бұрын
What kinda load can a JIS screwdriver take?
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I wish I could answer your question, but there's very little information out there. Good question, though.
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