Why You Need a Power Meter and Which Power Meters Are the Best on the Market

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Dylan Johnson

Dylan Johnson

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Power meters have revolutionized training for cyclists and here's why. I also give you my recommendation as a cycling coach on which power meters to buy.
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@DylanJohnsonCycling
@DylanJohnsonCycling 3 жыл бұрын
Now is the time to start thinking about your training for 2021. Science based training plans available here: www.trainingpeaks.com/coach/dylanjohnsontraining#trainingplans
@jaredfontaine2002
@jaredfontaine2002 3 жыл бұрын
4iiii? Peter Sagan is using it lol
@gopackpdx
@gopackpdx 3 жыл бұрын
dylan, thanks for all your videos. i am loving the 6 hour training plan i bought at training peaks that you designed. keep up the good work.
@JamesHuxford
@JamesHuxford 3 жыл бұрын
Let me know when BHD has a training plan we can download
@alpinethreadworks
@alpinethreadworks 3 жыл бұрын
Dylan, Thank you for the great content. I'm going to try your training plans this year. I used Trainer Road last year and liked it except that it did not incorporate weigh training (which I do and just 'added it in'). Anyway, my question before I buy your plans are: How do I execute the cycling portion of the plan? Trainer Road of course has it's app that guides one through the workout... Thank for your time. Neil.
@walkerstalker4494
@walkerstalker4494 3 жыл бұрын
I have assioma pm pedals and Garmin Vector 3,both tested on all of my bikes and sadly for assioma accuracy with the Vector 3 are the same and Vector 3 can take more beating and it will still work, with assioma isn't good bump in to it, because after on small bump in to sidewalk they, the left pedal wasn't working and I couldn't get new under warranty. ,so the only thing assioma is better, lighter weight and price, everything else is not better in some segments is even worse . So they might be best for you or this video is sponsored so you have to say whatever they want it. Quarq pm I have on my new Sworks Tarmac sl7 P. Sagan edt.it came with 4iii,but I changed it , but I still prefer pm pedals assioma on Trek Emonda slr 9 2019 and Vector 3 pm pedals on Scott foil 10 di2 2018 with lots of upgrades and honestly I sold my Sworks Venge 2020 and keep my foil 10, btw Venge is overrated and like everything from Specialized Sworks overpriced, I'm glad that my team is sponsored by Specialized, same is with Tarmac sl7 just another overpriced bike with stupid disc breaks, I still prefer rim breaks. We Slovenians are cycling and ultra running nation, as you can see in last 3 years. POGI aka Pogačar Tadej when he train he never use power meter and cycling computer, also Rogla aka Roglič Primož, so I guess we use that because it's cool and because we will never be pro cyclists. This video honestly was just waist of time. I can see you are young, I'm over 40 and cycling is 26 years, so I understand why you youngsters need all those gadgets, most of don't know how to listen to their bodies, I learn that from ultra running. So go for a run, no power meters, no speed and cadence sensors, even GPS multi sport watch is just another piece of equipment you don't need. Ride if you are good all those tech crap is unnecessary.
@metamurph
@metamurph 3 жыл бұрын
“Don’t buy upgrades, ride up grades” - Eddy Merckx -- but be smart, use a Power Meter so you can "measure upgrades" - DJ.
@guzz95
@guzz95 3 жыл бұрын
Since getting a power meter, it has absolutely made me a better climber. I can keep my power on check, make sure I don’t end up in a ditch with cramps!!! LOL
@wigancyclist8913
@wigancyclist8913 3 жыл бұрын
sounds like your new power meter is inhibiting your performance. Beast mode rules LOL
@31.8mm
@31.8mm 3 жыл бұрын
*thinking to get a power meter *looking at the price *thinking to get a new bike instead
@HopyHop1
@HopyHop1 2 ай бұрын
He didn't mention the cheaper option of crank arm power meters.
@31.8mm
@31.8mm 2 ай бұрын
@@HopyHop1 why r u dragging me to my 3years old comment
@HopyHop1
@HopyHop1 2 ай бұрын
@@31.8mm Crank arm power meters are even cheaper now than they were 3 years ago. I've heard that Stages has stopped production, but 4iiii also makes crank arm power meters. Sorry if I bothered you with info that's useless to you.
@31.8mm
@31.8mm 2 ай бұрын
@@HopyHop1 haha okay okay, well thanks for the info, maybe someday when i go back cycling again I'll look into it
@Ih8GoogleandApple
@Ih8GoogleandApple 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone needs a power meter to know how inferior they really are compared to Filipo Ganna!
@sw6493
@sw6493 3 жыл бұрын
Love my Faveros. Good price and accurate.
@mib7483
@mib7483 3 жыл бұрын
I have been using my Faveros for a year now without any problems. They are awesome.
@cshigley
@cshigley 3 жыл бұрын
Same here- I’ve been using them all this year and they are invaluable, especially when hitting long climbs. I’m terrible at estimating how much power I’m putting out, and now there is no guesswork- stay just below redline and keep cranking!
@davidkaplan5517
@davidkaplan5517 3 жыл бұрын
I like them too but I think they read higher than my wahoo kickr
@waisinglee1509
@waisinglee1509 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE that pro tip at 1:07!
@njm3211
@njm3211 3 жыл бұрын
I've been quite pleased with my Stages crank based meters. Quite sufficient for my modest needs. They have led to a significant improvement to my power output over the last couple of years and serve as the ultimate reality check on one's capabilities.
@canningsimon
@canningsimon 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting presentation of the possible metrics of effort. They all have strengths and weaknesses. RPE for example has to be learnt, and requires a level of intuition that is developed over time. It is completely free of course, can be used in any sport, and is entirely based on the individual. The same goes for NR although one does need a hr monitor; the wrist based ones are wildly inaccurate, and an individual needs to have (a coach) or the ability to read their own data and establish their own zones. One also has to consider what training protocols they are going to follow. Power meters are, from a personal perspective as good as the others however they have the same parameters as the others. If you are fatigued for example, and try riding to your power zone, you could well be overdoing it. With so many metrics, it is easy to get caught up in tech and lose sight of our built in "power meter".
@apm9507
@apm9507 3 жыл бұрын
Cycling commuter here. My metrics are 😃 per mile, and did I get there on time. With COVID 19, I am not as sure about the second bit but I am working on it.
@MrBJPitt
@MrBJPitt 3 жыл бұрын
Had stages, 4iiii and quarq. Favero Assioma Duos are by far my favourite, and I should have bought it first and saved myself so much money! I also have the spd pedal bodies, so I can swap from road to mtb shoes for cyclocross or gravel touring.
@showlowitsqueentlee2737
@showlowitsqueentlee2737 3 жыл бұрын
What was the issue w/ the 4iiii? I bought one as my first power meter, and it seems fine to me. What's so much better about the FAD?
@MrBJPitt
@MrBJPitt 3 жыл бұрын
@@showlowitsqueentlee2737 the 4iiii started going nuts, all of sudden I was doing 1300 watts and climbing whilst soft pedalling. It would read fine for a few mins, then go nuts again, reading zero watts then just start climbing rapidly up to ridiculous numbers. Fubbured But the reality is, dual power is so much better for training. My stages is still going fine, but having dual power, I can see massive issues in the stages power readings simply because of how I produce power. Sometimes I'm stronger on my left leg, sometimes not - it depends on fatigue and even power level or gradient, on or out of saddle. Far too many variables that it makes you second guess your readings from an effort. Dual power all the way.
@becausewin
@becausewin 3 жыл бұрын
wait favero does spd? Can i buy one set and a separate body and swap the pm between the bodies? or do i have to get a set of road and a set of spd power meters?
@KOMHuntTV
@KOMHuntTV 3 жыл бұрын
5:55 I started a 4.2mile Hill Climb at 1400watts... It didn’t end well 😂😂
@hebrews11vs5
@hebrews11vs5 3 жыл бұрын
4.2 mile hill. Man, that's super long.
@KOMHuntTV
@KOMHuntTV 3 жыл бұрын
@@hebrews11vs5 Yeah, it's a great local Hill. Porlock Hill (2 routes. 2miles 10% and the other 4miles at 5% so at least we have options haha)
@hebrews11vs5
@hebrews11vs5 3 жыл бұрын
@@KOMHuntTV great options. I got one by me, just over 1 mile, 11% I think would be the average grade. I wouldn't be surprised if it's up to 16% in spots. Eswatini. They call it the mountain kingdom. So there is probably more but I have yet to find them. I checked out your channel. Very cool. I love a Kom hunt myself.
@KOMHuntTV
@KOMHuntTV 3 жыл бұрын
@@hebrews11vs5 Ooooof that's a nice hill! haha Thank you... I started the channel in lockdown as a bit of fun... initially just a tiktok that someone wanted me to share on KZbin so they could see it. It's been a fun journey ever since. Only issue is once I started filming and editing it didn't leave much time to ride my bike hahaha!
@WowRixter
@WowRixter 3 жыл бұрын
I love my Assioma Duo PM. If you use a Garmin the app also shows all sorts of interesting data related to L/R balance, pedal offset , etc when riding with the Duo's
@NCSWIC17
@NCSWIC17 6 ай бұрын
Power2max NGeco user here. I've had mine for 6 years and it's been flawless!
@austinbench110
@austinbench110 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Best cycling training channel on KZbin
@facediaper09
@facediaper09 3 жыл бұрын
I always learn something after watching my favorite KZbin cycling professor, Mr Dylan!!! Just when I was feeling like I know everything already. Can you do another lesson on transitioning into base miles combined w/specific gym work for the winter? #LarginalGains 😂
@y.r.191
@y.r.191 3 жыл бұрын
Recently started following your channel and watching your videos; i seldomly comment on videos but: Gotta admit that your work is great - you put time and energy into research and actually compare factors that matter unlike many other tuber's that just open boxes and compare Aero Wheels... Keep up the good work, big thumbs up! Y.R.
@newbarker523
@newbarker523 3 жыл бұрын
I use Garmin Vector 3s (single sided). Had them for a year and they've been good. £380 (Great British pounds). Batteries are two LR44s and seem to get through them pretty quickly. Pedals are great. Swap them between bikes quickly and easily.
@pe3nut946
@pe3nut946 3 жыл бұрын
Been looking at power upgrade for a while now and the Favero pedals especially. I think watching this video has made my decision final. Great video 👍 thanks
@jimmalone5851
@jimmalone5851 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dylan ! I'm using Training Peaks and my coach can't do anything without power numbers. I too am using Favero Assioma single sided pedals and I like them a lot. I have converted mine to mtn bike cleats through the conversion on U-tube. I switch these pedals around between 3 different bikes, so they are very handy for this reason. And they are accurate enough for me. I'm not a pro, just a 69yo senior athlete trying to beat other seniors :)
@richhold7775
@richhold7775 3 жыл бұрын
One of the benefits of HR training and Power + HR training but is missing in power based training is the impact environment has. On a cold day I can do 270 watts for an hour. On a hot humid day it's only 250 watts. Regardless my HR limit is 150 bpm. Same goes for elevation. The power I can sustain depends on the elevation but my HR limit is the same.
@suisinghoraceho2403
@suisinghoraceho2403 3 жыл бұрын
Problem with Assioma is that they use proprietary cleats. Replacements can be tricky sometimes. Though these are less a problem than you would think it is. There are also rumours that a worn pair of Look Cleats clips well with them. Still...
@Mmalebogo
@Mmalebogo 3 жыл бұрын
Straight to the point and I agree with the view on the two power meter brands, not only because I use both, but because they turn to make sense most of the time. I also don't struggle to connect them to my computer, no outage. The price is tricky but reasonable
@poochie8208
@poochie8208 3 жыл бұрын
Great advice, after 10+ years using HRM I got a powermeter 2 years ago and saw that my interval sessions had always been front heavy with a significant drop during the second part of the interval, HR would climb as expected, but power would always drop. Now I can sustain a given effort across the entire duration of the interval. Wish I'd bought the power meter a year earlier instead of the carbon wheels. Have been using the Power2max Ngeco, spider based system in my bikes and have not had an issue yet. Really good in terms of price/quality. GPlama and DCrainmaker have great reviews on most powermeters out there. Meanwhile we can keep waiting for the IQsquare to start shipping, should be another 3 years.
@wkwong80
@wkwong80 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your Duo recommendation. I’ve been using them for a couple of years now. Rock solid.
@iiii2903
@iiii2903 3 ай бұрын
A PM (coupled with a HRM) will be useful if you want to compare/analyze the load of different training sessions while training in very different environments in a short period of time (hometrainer, higher altitude, different bikes, different tires, different temperature). If you train for days, like most of us, on the same routes, same weather, with the same type of training sessions, comparing the average speeds will be largely enough to assess the quality of your training. As such, a PM is above all a useful tool for....your online coach as the online coach doesn't know your circuits and usual training environment. If you're your own coach, you can make do without. So Dylan is an online coach, so of course, for him it's better to follow your training if you get a PM....
@9psi
@9psi 3 жыл бұрын
If my memory serves me correctly.... Raoul Luescher talks about where the SRM gold standard myth comes from. It was a special unit made for national track teams that had 10 or 20 strain gauges in it. Not the standard consumer version with 4.
@sallom432
@sallom432 3 жыл бұрын
damn that if true🤯
@stopspammingmesrsly
@stopspammingmesrsly 3 жыл бұрын
"if a rider attacked they would just keep the tempo and reel them in" Poor old Contador
@annukun7318
@annukun7318 3 жыл бұрын
contador paid for that cant fuk with sky train!!
@jarmelnelson
@jarmelnelson 3 жыл бұрын
all the hail the boring cycling program - "follow the computer not the pistolero"
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 3 жыл бұрын
@@jarmelnelson getting beaten by a "boring" team would have been humiliating though.
@joebob1994
@joebob1994 3 жыл бұрын
Favero assioma are my choice. I haven't had an issues and been using for two years. I have a giant crank based power meter that came on another ride and it has been nothing but a pain in the ass for the past 6 months, really made me appreciate the no fuss fit and forget Favero's. Plus you can buy all the parts separately so longevity maintenance should be an issue. `
@ksduathlete
@ksduathlete Жыл бұрын
I just bought a quarq for my lauf gravel. I’m excited to use power for training and especially for pacing myself in gravel races. I’m guilty of going out way too hard. In a race should I shoot for IF of 71? 60-70% of ftp? There’s probably another video telling me this answer . You’re videos rock man! Thank you
@RossHamilton
@RossHamilton 3 жыл бұрын
Faveros are definitely what I choose.
@robertandyjustus
@robertandyjustus 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks D-man. Very good vid. I'm on the hunt for a PM now...
@brianessex7102
@brianessex7102 3 жыл бұрын
Love my Faveros as well. Great how much data they can give you. I'd note they also help judge conditions you may be in. Last week I felt slow, but was putting out much higher than normal power. Didn't realize until I stopped how severe the headwinds were. My only complaint about the Faveros is that they're a little narrow and can be a little harder to clip into at times. But they're lighter than Garmin, zero tech problems, and rechargeable = big ++ that offset IMO.
@tomalbert3299
@tomalbert3299 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dylan for another so true topic! I use two Stages v3 left side crank arms and I am quite content. I also use dual sided Assiomas for a short period now. Fortunately no significant differences between one sided Stages and dual Assiomas. Actually I converted the Assiomas to SPD MTB pedals. How? Xpedo m-force pedal bodies are compatible with the Assioma spindles. GPlama proved that the conversion works flawlessly. @Dylan: It may be just a personal preference, but the graphs and text pieces are sometimes not directly understandable. Especially if English is not your first language. I guess it is extra work but it might be easier to understand if you have a self made chart which you describe with your own words rater than showing a copied piece of text from a scientific study. Or maybe it's just the distracting cycling videos in the background. Apart from that I'm looking forward to you next video!
@edwardbayley3799
@edwardbayley3799 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought the depression of resting HR was an indicator that the heart and/or aerobic metabolism was becoming more efficient and therefore a desirable thing to see your HR be lower for the same amount of effort.
@dannylockett9445
@dannylockett9445 3 жыл бұрын
was scratching my head there too, i would think relatively elevated RHR would be the signal of stress... might need to watch this again, maybe i misunderstood
@heksogen4788
@heksogen4788 Ай бұрын
@@dannylockett9445 Yes the guy doesn't understand the cardiac drift. The more exhausted/fatigued you are, the higher your bpm for the same power output. Blind leading the blind...
@leolongo9178
@leolongo9178 3 жыл бұрын
I have Power2Max on 3 bikes. For the price, in my opinion, it’s the only power meter you should buy. Dual side power at under 1K$. AND built-in cadence. AND no magnets.
@TheBigCheese233
@TheBigCheese233 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe I got lucky, but my 230$ aliexpress left-sided power meter with rechargeable battery works without any issues.
@TheMASDrummer
@TheMASDrummer 3 жыл бұрын
What's it called
@GoustiFruit
@GoustiFruit 3 жыл бұрын
Same for me. My XCadey gives me the same numbers as the 3-4 years old Stages I have on my other bike.
@TheBigCheese233
@TheBigCheese233 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMASDrummer XCadey XPower-L - 232$ was the deal I got, 267$ the normal price - I can't fully recommend it, as I don't know if their customer service is any good. For me it's worth the risk at half the price of a Stages and the benefit of the rechargeable battery.
@RossTheNinja
@RossTheNinja 3 жыл бұрын
my 4iiii crank based pm has been great and excellent value if you're on a budget
@mellowcat42
@mellowcat42 3 жыл бұрын
Agree on both counts: training and riding with power data is more productive and effective, and the Assioma pedals are reliable, accurate, and convenient, easily swapping from spin to tri/TT to road bikes.
@JeffRejent
@JeffRejent 3 жыл бұрын
Holding a consistent power over a hill can be a god send but not every hill is the same. By the time you figure out that you cant hold a certain power on a different hill, its too late. Trial and error is the same, power meter or not. Listen to your body, it knows.
@elielbalbino4679
@elielbalbino4679 3 жыл бұрын
Very well explained! But how do you make decisions on a race/ride using power data or HR for that matter? You decide with your reason. You use your judgement. That's why I believe P.E. + Power data, combined and compared are the best way to go when promoting acquisition of self knowledge to evolve. I agree with you completely. I'm just afraid that... things being put that way you did, might give people the impression that they can finally retire from this exhausting duty which is controlling intensity once they have a power meter on their bikes. It must be clear, I believe, that you and yourself alone will always be the controller of this incredibly complex instrument we call a body. And I say that very humbly (if I don't sound like that, forgive me - being a non-native user of the language may spoil communication at times. I apologize) since I'm aware that your knowledge goes a lot further than my current one. I'm a fan actually! Know thyself, use power data to promote long time knowledge of what you can do on a bike. But never retire from being the boat's captain. Cheers from Brazil!
@akatgif
@akatgif 3 жыл бұрын
Well done mate. Thank you for a simple and easy to understand presentation. Not sounding like a pretentious cycling trainer using unnecessary jargon
@RGCastro7
@RGCastro7 3 жыл бұрын
Top quality content, as usual. Thank you for sharing these insights, Dylan.
@leebackus9875
@leebackus9875 2 жыл бұрын
As always thanks for great information. I find your site to be highly valuable. Merry Christmas.
@GMacYo
@GMacYo 3 жыл бұрын
Great research as always, and a timely subject. Now to find a training plan. Thank you Dylan.
@donaldryder5534
@donaldryder5534 3 жыл бұрын
Your 3 power meters are worth more than my 2 bikes :) but good video, my first upgrade will be a power meter.
@jaydesimone4297
@jaydesimone4297 3 жыл бұрын
I know it's just an anecdote, but I can confirm the effect of position on HR. When I sit up on the trainer, my HR increases by 5-10 BPM and quickly drops when I put my hands back on the bars. Clearly the heart doesn't have to work as hard when the torso is not vertical.
@dacsailor
@dacsailor 3 жыл бұрын
Great. Now I need new wheels AND a power meter (or maybe 2 or 3)!
@Princecaspin
@Princecaspin 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! You should make one about the main types of workouts there are and when you should be doing them in a training cycle
@heksogen4788
@heksogen4788 Ай бұрын
Idk, my heart jumps very fast to the max heart rate when im pushing really hard. I dont need few minutes, it takes a minute at most. Heart rate is still very reliable way to tell of you are around your lactate treshold, you will also feel it. Power meter is great stuff, but it's definitely a luxury item and heart rate monitor is still needed even if you use power meter.
@wigancyclist8913
@wigancyclist8913 3 жыл бұрын
Can the term accurate be used about consumer power meters? Hopefully, off-the-shelf power meters have a degree of precision, but accuracy, I doubt it. That said, as long as your power meter provides precise, repeatable readings between sessions, what more could the retail consumer ask for? I'd also argue that a dual-sided power meter offers no real advantages over a single-sided power meter. As you alluded to, trying to correct an imbalance may inhibit performance. So long as a single-sided power meter provides precision, all a dual sided-meter will provide is a different number. What would one do with that different number versus the data from the single-sided meter? The numbers produced from either type of meter are equal in providing data for training, pacing and racing. Although the dual-sided meter will be closer in terms of actual work done by each leg. It would be interesting if anyone has done any work to determine the difference in kilojoules regarding single and dual-sided for different distance events and if the outcomes are significant in terms of increasing or decreasing performance. Or are dual-sided power meters purely a marketing gimmick to release the buying public from some of their hard-earned cash?
@cnay2983
@cnay2983 3 жыл бұрын
I use a Verve Infocrank; Brilliant power meter bought from Ebay for about 350gbp with Rotor chainrings!
@samuraioodon
@samuraioodon 3 жыл бұрын
I'm still using powertap p1 pedals since its release ☺️
@mario.221
@mario.221 3 жыл бұрын
Favero Assiomas 4 the Win!
@sumcycling8774
@sumcycling8774 3 жыл бұрын
HI Dylan. How about Infocrank? Do you know this brand? What do you think?
@AndrewOliverHome
@AndrewOliverHome 2 жыл бұрын
You see people on Zwift, where pretty much everyone has some sort of power indicator, going too hard and fading on the climbs and sprints. Power metrics and a clue how to use it is what you need.
@jamesturner9858
@jamesturner9858 3 жыл бұрын
Are there any benefits using a power meter on a mountain bike. No one ever really discusses training with a power meter on a mountain bike. How would you do intervals if the terrain always changing . How would you put together a training plan for a mountain biker
@roilev
@roilev 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks! I agree with Dylan, I have 2 powermeters, one on my race MTB and another one on the direct drive trainer. And it greatly helps for training and race pacing. Though I won't be throwing out my heart rate monitor any time soon - I still consider it the most useful tool. I consider my HR as a "power reserve" - for MTB races, in the middle of the climb I may be holding the prescribed 300W. But if my HR is 165, it means I can push a bit more to the top. But if my HR is 185 (because I pushed a bit too hard in the 1st half of the climb, I climbed a steep part that I usually push, or didn't have enough time to recover from the previous climb), then I need to dial down my power a bit. Or I will go in the descend with blurry vision and bad bike control, and I will lose more time on the descend (or even crash). The only bike that I don't have a powermeter is my road bike. There I do the endurance miles outdoor, and there I can pace good enough with my HRM, I know what numbers I need to be producing, I have 'calibrated' my heart with the power meters. And I do tabatta intervals too, I just go as hard as I can for 30 seconds. The powermeter is useless there, the trainer takes half of the interval to bump up the resistance to the desired levels.
@secretagent86
@secretagent86 3 жыл бұрын
you really have an excellent style and scientific knowledge which is valuable! please keep it up (yes i subscribed)
@OnyxTortoise
@OnyxTortoise 3 жыл бұрын
I want an eggbeater based power meter! That way I could share with Mtb and gravel bike.
@bennickerson5477
@bennickerson5477 3 жыл бұрын
GPLAMA has a vid on how to convert Assiomas
@kevinbuja4373
@kevinbuja4373 3 жыл бұрын
2004 I installed Polar’s Powermeter. In 2009 I got a new bike put an SRM. Night and day difference.
@dscoduc
@dscoduc 3 жыл бұрын
Late to the party but curious if you (Dylan) ride road pedals on your gravel setup... Looking at the Assioma Power Meters they don't seem to have SPD pedals.
@robinseibel7540
@robinseibel7540 3 жыл бұрын
My PowerTap hub just works. It's consistent and reliable.
@vernefits1953
@vernefits1953 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@future62
@future62 3 жыл бұрын
I am 100% on board the PM train and have a Quarq Dub spindle meter.... but I think accuracy is less important than consistency, and L/R imbalance is so hard to tackle it's not worth it IMO. A good old single side meter that you calibrate before every ride will get you 99% of the data you need to get faster.
@hebrews11vs5
@hebrews11vs5 3 жыл бұрын
Also, it's hard to gauge this if you are new, but if you think you are inclined to want to go fast as you progress, get the crank based instead of pedal based so you can use aero zero type pedals by speed play. Save some watts at the feet and reduce your saddle height a hair (frontal area reduced) because of the reduced stack height at the pedal.
@hebrews11vs5
@hebrews11vs5 3 жыл бұрын
And yes, quarq is the crank based one I use. Crank based does not know if you are getting the power by pulling or pushing, like favero pedals. So you think you are getting L/r split but you sort of aren't. If you are not obsessed with eeking out power from the 'up' phase, then you can just ignore this comment. I have done inverted squats just to train the 'up' phase, when I was more serious.
@Mclovinthedank
@Mclovinthedank 3 жыл бұрын
I have been training using a HR, and it sucks. Power meters and smart trainers cost as much as my bike. And I don't have a bike computer...
@michaelevans797
@michaelevans797 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dylan, as always very intuitive advice 👍
@graffix11us
@graffix11us 3 жыл бұрын
Dylan, the Assioma mentions they work with any road cranks, are there any pedal power meter brands you recommend for MTB cranks?
@adriank4257
@adriank4257 3 жыл бұрын
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@graffix11us
@graffix11us 3 жыл бұрын
@@adriank4257 That's why I love the Internet, thank you my friend!!!
@baribari600
@baribari600 3 жыл бұрын
If you don't have laboratory-accurate GPS, heart rate, cadence, and power data, did you even ride your bike?
@tbpom1003
@tbpom1003 3 жыл бұрын
Hey really well explained! keep up the good work!!
@rhinelsonpimentel6641
@rhinelsonpimentel6641 3 жыл бұрын
What do you now about Velocomp PowerPod power meter?
@georgehugh3455
@georgehugh3455 3 жыл бұрын
Assioma's upped their prices since you released this vid 9 days ago _- Dylan, you're apparently worth $2/pedal!_
@robelliott1428
@robelliott1428 3 жыл бұрын
Yea Quarq and SRAM are a common combo.. Recent tests on YT suggests Power2max is a relatively accurate and reasonably priced meter and shipman crank replacement NGeco.....
@alastairlamb8142
@alastairlamb8142 3 жыл бұрын
Dylan whats your opinion of the Favero Assioma compared to the Garmin Vector 3 dual pedal power meters ?.
@Mohglee
@Mohglee 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think of the cheapest option, stages Lefty for training? My thought is that it may be immaculate but consistent and for training, consistency is the most important.
@lkb3rd
@lkb3rd 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Stages lefty and have compared it to my trainer power meter, and for me it is very close, and consistent. As long as you keep the inside dry, being careful when you swap the battery to not damage the rubber gasket, and not blasting it with water, for me it has been problem free. If it gets water in it, the accuracy will be off. I have had it happen, and I just put it out in the sun with the battery cover open for a few hours, and it was back to its old self. You can tell its off because its calibration number will suddenly be significantly different.
@robertlight2370
@robertlight2370 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve got one and I’m very happy with it.
@Second247
@Second247 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, been using one for 6 months now. Started with left one only, and once i got more money i bought right one aswell (left is shimano 105, and right is Ultegra. So you can mix different types of cranks... As long as they are the same generation. I think). Nothing to complain on the left side. Pairing right with left was problematic for some reason, had to send both to Stages for factory pairing. Which was odd, and not very nice. Ofcourse you might have imbalances between your legs and then power numbers might be off. I worried that myself, but after getting right sided meter powerbalance it's always like 49-51 favoring left or right. So i don't have consistent dominant side and power difference is miniscule. I do train for powerlifting so i have to have very balanced body or i will break myself with heavy squats and deadlifts. Big thing is that, according to studies, usually both legs work well around FTP, but with lower and higher intensities there might be imbalances. That MIGHT skew numbers relative to FTP. And having issues with function of muscles, greeping injuries or such, might cause inconsistencies, that will skew the numbers overtime. Lets say right side is suffering power loss and left has to compensate. Powernumbers greep up indicating progress, but all what is really happening is that left side is being overworked while right side doesn't function well. So making sure that both sides work equally well is a good idea, another reason to do strength training. But don't fret it, having one is better than not having anything at all, and you have the option to get the right side aswell later on! I went for both sides to have peace of mind because i didn't know if i'd have imbalances between my legs. And if left one breaks i still have the right one working.
@arroyoiam
@arroyoiam 3 жыл бұрын
Question, I have Favero Assioma Duo, i switch the power meter from my road bike to the gravel bike, the crank length are different in size, road bike is 172.5 and gravel 170 and I sometimes forget to adjust the size of the crank length in my Garmin, does this affect something?
@ronskayakingandfishing414
@ronskayakingandfishing414 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it certainly does. I have the same problem (THREE bikes, each with different crank lengths) and one time I forgot to change it and I could tell from the data that it wasn't correct. So I learned..... swap the pedals, and immediately power head unit on and use the phone app to change the setting right then. The Faviero app says if the setting can be changed in the head unit you need to do it that way as it will be ignored otherwise.
@reggiesmith5193
@reggiesmith5193 3 жыл бұрын
What if I have a Shimano drivetrain? Doesn’t Shimano make their own crank based power meter?
@matthewjohnson12
@matthewjohnson12 2 жыл бұрын
Got a Power Meter on my Electra Ticino
@troycollett8540
@troycollett8540 3 жыл бұрын
I got the 4iiii crank and it seems to work pretty well
@bartvv1770
@bartvv1770 3 жыл бұрын
I have got a cannondale spider ring in one piece so quark is not an option , so pedals it is.. how do the garmin pedal meters compare to the assimo's? Also i noticed all pedal power meters need look cleats... Arent there any with Shimano?
@richcole3931
@richcole3931 3 жыл бұрын
Single-sided is just as accurate, unless you switch around which leg you use to push the left pedal. It's consistent data--that's what matters.
@saijapz16
@saijapz16 3 жыл бұрын
hey Dylan, good day , im a newbie, i got 180 ftp, i trained atleast 10hours a week then next week just 1 long ride like 200 km its been like that for 3months i got my ftp 230watts then i quited bike for almost 3months my ftp now is 190 , can i get back to 230watts ftp in 1 month?
@jetBlue_83
@jetBlue_83 3 жыл бұрын
My view is unless you started riding as a junior and have all the time in the world to “just ride a lot”, then yes to a powermeter.
@cripplingcaffeineaddiction3847
@cripplingcaffeineaddiction3847 3 жыл бұрын
16 and in online school I get atleast 20 hours a week it’s great
@jetBlue_83
@jetBlue_83 3 жыл бұрын
@@cripplingcaffeineaddiction3847 exactly! hahaha
@hankingram6251
@hankingram6251 Жыл бұрын
Dillan, do you suggest a power meter for a MTB if you use them on a gravel bike? Good to meet you the other night at Ecusta.
@erikknudsen4034
@erikknudsen4034 3 жыл бұрын
Those are the two power meters I recommend as well.
@mateagoston8145
@mateagoston8145 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video, I think it really helpful. The only reason I feel disappointed is that it also made me realise that cycling is indeed a very expensive sport! :O Do you guys have some idea about how much the price of these power meters are going to drop in the next couple of years?
@silverbullitt24
@silverbullitt24 3 жыл бұрын
They’ve come down REMARKABLY within the past 5 years. Given the fact cyclist obsess over every other piece of equipment I’d say most could reprioritize the $500 carbon aero bars and invest that into the power meter.
@TheJmbf10
@TheJmbf10 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have an affiliate link to the Hyper Gain Beast Mode Mass Gainer Raw Edition (cupcake flavor)? Asking for a friend.
@kylescicluna1541
@kylescicluna1541 3 жыл бұрын
are there any good spd power meter pedals?
@Marsunpentu
@Marsunpentu 2 жыл бұрын
What's the cheapest power meter that's worth getting over not having any? I am an avid commuter cyclist and doing some long distance (180km) rides. I'm not a pro or competing, so I don't need anything too fancy.
@RixtronixLAB
@RixtronixLAB 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video, thanks :)
@bicyclestreet1
@bicyclestreet1 3 жыл бұрын
When I am tired from training my waking heart rate is higher not lower than normal. When is a lower heart rate indicating being tired? Thanks
@judd7699
@judd7699 3 жыл бұрын
When your tired from training your H/R will be elevated when you wake up - There’s also 15 min test you can do once a week to see if your body is fatigued - LCST sub maximal fitness test (do it on the same day each week) On an indoor training is best ..
@stanandre4539
@stanandre4539 3 жыл бұрын
When you're riding. It's not increased fitness gained overnight at a given power output. It's fatigue.
@easyeric961
@easyeric961 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Dylan , I saw that some time ago you did a vid about how aging from 35+ affects your performance but is there any way you can put a vid together on how ageing from 15yrs old to 30 affects performance and if there is strength to naturally be gained as your body matures?
@mikehughes700
@mikehughes700 3 жыл бұрын
Any views on the new Garmin Rally XC2000? (Love the videos, keep them coming, thanks for all your insights!)
@TheTomilix
@TheTomilix 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Dylan, I have found the exact opposite when I’m overtraining... my heart just goes super fast even when producing the same power leading me to blow at power numbers that in a good day I would find more than sustainable for 1 hour. Why could this be? How can I adjust my training to get better at controlling my HR while being consistent on my power ?
@maxgover2990
@maxgover2990 3 жыл бұрын
Yes exactly the same, that’s what my coach says aswell?¿
@razr7
@razr7 3 жыл бұрын
It's probably an issue of Acute vs Chronic over training. I've noticed quick spikes in HRs when fatigued from a big block. But I've heard of low peak heart rates when in chronic fatigue. Like your heart is operating on safe mode.
@TheTomilix
@TheTomilix 3 жыл бұрын
@@razr7 thanks.. will keep an eye on my recovery so i do not have such issues.
@hillclimblover2255
@hillclimblover2255 3 жыл бұрын
I use a quart as well nice recommendation
@MainUkraine
@MainUkraine 3 жыл бұрын
4iiii ftw! Who needs to measure both legs when you only spend $200 :P
@ProfessorSteez
@ProfessorSteez 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Dylan, I have a science question. What are the energy system contributions of an all-out effort from rest of 30 seconds or 60 seconds? Even though it’s an anaerobic effort and utilizing the glycolytic system, would it still have a heavy contribution the aerobic system too? What if the 30 or 60 second interval wasn’t started from rest? For instance, at the end of a race...how would the contributions from the aerobic system change from starting from rest? I’m mainly interested in knowing the effect that the aerobic energy system plays in sustaining the glycolytic system under that 60 second range! Just something I’m interested in knowing, I guess I should have studied physiology since it’s the only subject I study outside of class 😂
@bonn1771
@bonn1771 3 жыл бұрын
love my powertap p1 and nice video
@Sfs678
@Sfs678 2 жыл бұрын
Very good Video 👌❣️
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