WHY You NEED a WRAITH and NOT a DESTROYER

[@Kriss_941]

have a G-Star wraith and it's amazing, grippy and durable, flies great, from a slight hyzer release I get it to flip up nicely, then it rides on a slight anhyzer before it hyzers out at the end... by far my go-to driver...

[@JustDisc]

Its quickly become mine as well! I’ve just bought some more for practice and think I’m now totally 8 🤔... that’s not too many right? Lol

[@ryrygygy2025]

All Gstar? Dang! I have probably 10 wraiths in different plastics and only just got a Gstar a few days ago. Haven't had a chance to throw it yet. I'm super excited now :)

[@aidanbaker8873]

I totally agree. The Wraith is a very well rounded disc and you can create all around distance shots.

[@phillipsanchez4192]

This is a great video. Thanks. I am still working on arm speed and am definitely still forehand dominant in my play as a lefty. I push 270s to 290s on my backhand, and I still struggle putting all the pieces together smoothly to get 300+ plus distance with any kind of regularity on my backhand. There have been rare occasions on my forehand when I have gotten some discs (usually overstable with a slight anhyser) to carry 320+. This has only ever happened in practice and it is usually anyone's guess which direction the disc is going to take after release. I play mostly on somewhat shorter courses, so my go-to disc for these situations is the my Wraith at 170 grams. It is easily my most trusted disc for all the reasons you mention. On a hunch I bought a 160 gram Lat. 64 Jade last summer before I flew overseas where I work, and I have been astonished at how far I can throw this disc. I hadn't thought of myself as an overly light disc thrower, but this disc carries wonderfully for me on forehand and is decent on my backhand. I have better control with it as well. The main issue is wind. If it is gusty, the disc gets affected much more than my trusty Wraith. I only have the Wraiths in my bag in Star plastic, so I am really curious what the Halo might be like. Anyway, thanks for a great video.

[@JustDisc]

No problem Philip, we love making informative disc golf videos! Thanks for sharing your thoughts 👍

[@ncdozer3103]

I flick my star destroyers and backhand my wraiths, destroyers just feel better on the forehand imo

[@JustDisc]

Exactly what I do too!

[@TheNawaf001]

That’s what I do as well!

[@TadoeDaFisherman]

i would have to agree

[@Twinkletoes888]

Great channel man. Really helpful stuff and quality videos. Keep it going and your views and subscribers will eventually take off.

[@JustDisc]

Thanks Jeremie! Definitely trying to provide helpful disc golf content without skipping out on quality. And it’s comments like that and people like you that help grow and improve this channel over time! So thank you so much for your support! ❤️👍

[@prestondier7046]

My first disc I fell “in love” with was a champion wraith(burgundy). I could put a move on it and get that nice “S” curve and trust it’s finish. I mean Garrett Gurthie out bombs everyone and he throws a wraith 💣

[@JustDisc]

It’s definitely my go-to distance driver these days! 👍 Still have the original disc?!

[@derekbroekhoven5498]

I just got a Kona Panis 2021 Waco Wraith, it's now my go to distance driver!

[@JustDisc]

She has her own Signature Wraith?!

[@derekbroekhoven5498]

@@JustDisc it's a Waco 2021 commemorative disc because of her victory!

[@JustDisc]

@@derekbroekhoven5498 Oh nice!

[@CodyHartman710]

Great video! I've been throwing Wraiths since I first started and felt the same way about a Destroyer. The Wraith is more comfortable in my hand and I can get the disc to actually work for me.

[@ClearAlera]

What you said at the end about plastic type is really important. My favorite driver used to be a beat-in destroyer in one of the cheaper plastics. I could reliably laser it down long tunnels and even get a little bit of turn on it both forehand and backhand. When I lost that one, I replaced it with a star plastic destroyer thinking that it was a good investment for durability's sake. It turned out to be a big mistake - it's a constant struggle to even get that one to stay flat for a little bit, and turning it is out of the question with my arm speed. I now rely on my Nuke SS to do what my old destroyer used to be able to do, and only pull out the star destroyer when I have wind to contend with. TL;DR - plastic type is important.

[@JustDisc]

Thanks Brendan! In our opinion, weight and plastic are the 2 most important factors when buying a disc 👍

[@SpecOpsCM]

Completely agree with this video. Wraith is my most capable driver. I can get consistent s-lines out of it, but if it is more windy I choose the destroyer for the straight line flight and predictable finish.

[@JustDisc]

They definitely complement each other well!

[@serenityinsilence]

A friend of mine invited me to try out disc golf back in 2009. We met while playing ultimate frisbee at a local park. He gave me my first disc and told me what to look for when I went to buy a few more. The disc he gave me was a dx wraith that was lightly used. It ended up being a great disc for me off the tee about a month into playing. I wish I still had my original disc, but it ended up in a water hazard that was too deep for recovery. I still bag a wraith to this day for the sentimental value.

[@JustDisc]

Love the story Serenity, thanks for sharing ❤️

[@JBearwa]

Longtime player with the wraith and I agree with everything this man is saying!

[@JustDisc]

Thanks Jonathan! 👍

[@wesleykaufmann5178]

I just started disc golf again 3 weeks ago and I can say the wraith is easier but I like the destroyer because I drive forearm and not backhand. The destroyer is just so fun to use I can get 200-300 feet with a max forearm flick.

[@B.L.K.S_808]

The wraith has been my go to driver for quite some time now. I can flip a destroyer to flat but something about the wraith is just perfection for me! Great vid 🤙🏾

[@JustDisc]

Definitely feel the exact same way. I was ignorant to try it for a long time, but now that I have, I’ll be throwing more wraiths than destroyers! 👍

[@rory_posting]

Fantastic video! I really like this analysis. I currently am bagging 2 Wraiths and 4 Destroyers, and all of them get a TON of mileage. I am very similar to you, where I tend to stick to my Destroyers for forehands. For me, I don't notice as much of a difference in flight, I tend to get more natural turn out of my Star Wraith and I get more glide & stability out of my Halo Wraith (although 1 of my Destroyers is about the same in stability). But the differences are pretty marginal. For me, it's 100% feel. I generally prefer the comfort of Destroyers to Wraiths (I have smallish palms but long fingers), especially on forehand throws. But due to my backhand being weaker and less consistent than my forehand, I usually always reach for the Wraith or another disc for a backhand distance drive. Overall though, if I was stuck with only 1 of them I doubt my play would change too much. From the experience I have forehanding both my Wraiths, I tend to get less distance, so that could come into play I suppose. It's pretty marginal though.

[@JustDisc]

Man it’s like we are twins lol. Wraiths I use pretty much for backhands because of their natural turn, and destroyers for forehands because they get more distance and can take the torque! They definitely compliment each other well 👍👌

[@NassiveMutts]

I have a beat in wraith that I love. I just got a new second one for the bag. Currently my favorite disc

[@JustDisc]

Mine too! Soon you'll want even more to start practicing in the field! lol :P

[@NassiveMutts]

@@JustDisc I have a lot to try out. My coworker recently brought me about 20 drivers to add to my collection 😂.

[@JustDisc]

What a lovely 1st world problem to have 🤪

[@NassiveMutts]

@@JustDisc 😂 I have some awesome coworkers/ friends. He actually goes to all the courses and retrieves them from lakes and ponds. If it has contact info he attempts to contact them but a lot of the time people just say keep it. He gives them out to lots of people to get them started and grow the sport. Pretty cool guy

[@JustDisc]

Looks like you know the right kind of people 😜

[@haukionkannel]

My first distance driver and still in my back. Use destroyer only in strong front wind!

[@MathProfessorKyleMartin]

Gotta watch out for that front wind!...

[@95redz]

I’m less than one year into this sport. Where I live we can get big winds. On those days, the destroyer comes out for headwind shots only. Any other day the wraith is one of my main go-to. I throw 360ft one step drives for the record

[@JustDisc]

Exactly the way we feel!

[@rickthompson2520]

I've owned several star wraith, they are great especially when its windy , star destroyer is the only disc ive ever been able to side arm ...thats basically what I use that disc for

[@JustDisc]

I used it strictly for forehands as well!

[@wesmyers6590]

I throw wraiths as my main driver. Champ, star, Gstar, and various states of wear. It's my go to distance driver with a slower arm. Thought about making the move to destroyer and this video convinced me not to do so. I need some overstable/wind drivers and it won't fit the bill. Also, the wraith is awesome. a good D plastic beat in experience for beginners too.

[@neverlayup]

G-star Wraith and Enigma fly very similar. Then the Wave seemed like a slightly more understable wraith. And then the Devy seemed to slide in right in between the G-star wraith and the Halo wraith. As someone who has yet to ace (I keep chaining out), one of the closest I have gotten in a tournament is with that halo wraith. I was throwing into a headwind onto an island hole. The spotter said that whoever threw the wraith was the closest to acing that she has seen yet. I got lucky too. It was touching OB but was still in. I sunk the 30 foot putt. Oh ya!

[@JustDisc]

Well done!

[@maximebourgoin7158]

Nice video! I liked the drone shots. I'll have to give the wraith a try - great review.

[@mrblueskynm3968]

This is so interesting! The first driver I bought was a Wraith DX and it was awesome as a beginner. I beat it in good and actually even punctured/cracked on a dead tree branch. It's not the disc it once was, but I just bought a Champion Wraith at 170g. I sure hope it flies even better than my old DX Wraith. I happened to pick up a used Blizzard Destroyer, 148g at league today. It will be interesting to throw them side by side. I suspect they will be similar.

[@JustDisc]

Thanks a lot Blue! And good choice in getting a lighter destroyer. In that weight, the disc should fly differently than a standard destroyer, but at least it will be easier throw! 👍

[@Alcatrazz13]

I would also reccomend the Orc at speed 10 aswell!

[@JustDisc]

Love the orc! It’s my cousin’s go-to disc! 👌

[@reidkemp]

I love how innova drops the wraith and then like 4 years later drops the best selling disc of all time... straight bangers

[@jonathanlogan6953]

I bag max weight Star Wraiths as my main driver and a Champion one for a bit more overstability. It's a great disc!

[@JustDisc]

Can’t go wrong with a Wraith! And if someone doesn’t have enough arm speed for it, try a Beast! 👌

[@discgolfcasados9801]

I wanted to disagree and rant, but straight up, you're right. You got a new subscriber.

[@JustDisc]

Thanks Casados! If you ever feel like ranting about something else, I’m always here to listen! 👍 lol

[@discgolfcasados9801]

@@JustDisc thanks bro, I watched your video on hyzer flips, and it helped me a lot today just following those little tips.

[@JustDisc]

That’s what we like to hear! 👍

[@sc3639]

I love my wraiths. I could totally be ok with just bringing a wraith and a putter to a course. I love it for forehand and backhand.

[@discgolflife]

I consistently throw my wraith 40 ft further than I do my destroyer. The lighter weight wraiths work great for leaner left to right shots after it's broke in. I throw my wraith way more than my destroyer with better results.

[@JustDisc]

Thanks for your input Jack! Exactly why we made this video 😁👍

[@dyvel]

Another small difference is that the destroyer seems to have a 1173 g higher max weight. (180g vs 1353g). @2:27 Those extra 1.1 kilos would possibly make a difference in how far an average player could throw it..

[@joshuak5757]

Nice video. Ordered a wraith. Plan to use it this weekend for the first time. When it comes to weights and plastics what should I know? I am an intermediate player with average speed and I throw side arm. What about weight in regard to putters too?

[@JustDisc]

Thanks Joshua! We made the video because it’s such a good disc for most disc golfers 👍 If your an intermediate player with decent speed, I would recommend getting the disc between 165-170g. How this helps!

[@markadkins9290]

Excellent, love your videos! Always so helpful!

[@JustDisc]

You throw a Wraith yourself?

[@markadkins9290]

@@JustDisc no, but I will be soon. Thanks to you. Mainly throwing a beast for my driver. Still kinda new, but definitely getting better.

[@JustDisc]

My dad loves the beast and it’s a great disc in general. If you aren’t getting much turn out of your beast yet, there is no need for the wraith. If however you still want one, just make sure you get the right weight and plastic. And if you want help with that, just let me know! 👍

[@markadkins9290]

@@JustDisc I sure would like some help with that, it's winter so I've been getting gstar, don't know how that works in the heat of the south. Summer I just used dx but just started playing.

[@markadkins9290]

@@JustDisc I'm probably the same age as your dad

[@curtisridenour]

100% especially at high elevation. Destroyers are for sidearms up here in Denver.

[@johnmcho]

Is it weird that the first disc I ever owned was a Pro Destroyer? I couldn't control it with my backhand so I tried throwing it forehand (which I've never done in my life). Threw it over 300 ft in my first round, picked up some pars and I was hooked. I also threw it into the woods several times and had a few triple and double bogeys, but I choose not to dwell on those memories.

[@JustDisc]

Not weird at all, and actually, way too common! Lol. Nice you found a way though, and were still able to fall in love with the game ❤️

[@toastertok7832]

I’ve been throwing Wraiths for 3 years now and recently picked up a destroyer and both have a place in my bag. But I can’t recommend the wraith enough. I’ve been able to do forehand rollers with it and some other cool shots that my other discs can’t, Buy one!

[@JustDisc]

Thanks for the input Dave! You are right, they both have a place in your bag. When I need to crank a forehand or throw a slight flex a backhand, I’ll use the destroyer for the extra stability. But if I want more control but still get distance, I’ll use the wraith!

[@MegaLaban12345]

I own both a Wraith and a Destroyer, and I can't really throw either at the moment haha. Something to aspire to! I've been working on my form, and I'm seeing better results and gaining more accuracy with faster discs. Not quite at the stage where I can handle stable 11/12-speed discs just yet, though.

[@JustDisc]

You’ll get there! How long have you been playing? If you got an easier to throw plastic and weight, it could make a difference. But honestly, there is no rush! Get good at throwing the slower speeds first

[@MegaLaban12345]

@@JustDisc I started playing this summer, but I didn't start doing proper field work until recently. I do have a couple lower weight distance drivers, and I can certainly tell a difference in their usability for me. But like you said, I feel no need to rush. I love just playing the game!

[@jlb122587]

The wraith is my go-to. Tried destroyers but realized the wraith fit better in my hand. I throw my beat in gstar for easy distance and step up to the halo gg wraith if there’s major wind or I need a harsh fade. Such a great mold.

[@discordye4825]

I have a halo, star, and gstar wraith. I love them. I have a halo, and a star destroyer. I love them...they're both very useful discs...

[@JustDisc]

Which type of plastic do you like the most?

[@discordye4825]

@@JustDisc I love my star wraith. It feels the best for me. I'm just starting to use the Halo plastic. I have a Gstar sidewinder I can't leave home without.

[@JustDisc]

I’m in the exact same situation. Love the star but trying out the halo 👍

[@discordye4825]

@@JustDisc it's just so beautiful! I do like that it feels a little more tacky than the star, but not as much as a Gstar. A nice in between. Once I get a feel for it, I think it'll quickly make it's way into my permanent rotation.

[@JustDisc]

Yeah it will be interesting to see how it breaks in compared to the star. Anyways, it’s really become my favourite distance driver 👌

[@cglasford1]

I would even say that most of those players would benefit from putting down the Wraith and picking up an Innova Orc which is a 10 speed version of the Wraith/Destroyer

[@JustDisc]

You are very much correct Chance! If someone struggles with the Wraith, the Orc is the next best thing! 🙌

[@cglasford1]

@@JustDisc for sure and honestly when I'm working with my friends if you can't get a full flight out of your max distance driver it is too much disc for your arm. So many people think that higher speed discs will get your a further drive and will fly faster, which is true to a point but what that number really means is how hard/fast you have to throw that disc to get the disc to fly like the noted flight numbers. I personally can full flight a destroyer and throw close to 500ft but most of my friends struggle to throw over 350 and giving them slower discs or less stable discs like a Valkyrie, Katana or Shryke have really helped their game and added distance.

[@JustDisc]

@@cglasford1 Well you are definitely a good friend to have around! It’s definitely a common problem in disc golf, but all we can do is try to to teach them and hope they listen 😜

[@cglasford1]

@@JustDisc yes for the most part. Doesn’t hurt that I’ve been playing since 03/04 and have a large box of spare discs

[@4dwyn]

If you’re a beginner, put down the Wraith and pick up an Eagle (but really, lots of Mako3). I just got a Star Wraith and I love it

[@JustDisc]

Great advice! I honestly have yet to try the Eagle...Calvin Heinberg loves them and so do others. What do you like the most about it?

[@tylerkasper7143]

@@JustDisc I'm a beginner who uses a Champion Eagle. When my arm speed was lower I really liked how the Eagle could act as a control driver next to my easier-to-handle Champion TL. Recently my arm speed has improved (Throwing to ~300ft with a K1 Grym or GStar Orc) and I find that the Eagle just acts as a nice straight shooter with a dependable fade at the end. Mind you I don't play in a very windy area (Metro-Vancouver BC). EDIT: I'll add that I'm relatively new and have only been playing for 1/2 a year, so please take this into consideration.

[@tylerkasper7143]

I agree with both the Eagle and the Mako3. The Mako3 is just so buttery smooth and easy to get use to. I think the phrase "Perfect for a casual one disc round" sums up the Mako3 the best.

[@JustDisc]

Thanks for the insight! 👍

[@JustDisc]

You could not have said it any better! Super smooth disc that will expose your weakness if not thrown on the proper line. Definitely one of the best 1 disc round discs! 🔥👍

[@Delta_Sandman]

I gotta get a few halo ones to throw. Never can find em max weight in either black, purple or blue. Currently I use a sockibot destroyer since it flies a bit more stable than my old wraiths

[@JustDisc]

Yeah I like my wraiths max weight as well. As for the sockitbot destroyers, I can understand why you like em! They are more understable/stable than the raptor destroyers. If you’ve ever tried both, there is definitely a difference!

[@brian6speed]

Pop-top max weight halo wraiths are pretty stable. Flatter ones are less stable. I like Martin Hendel color glow wraiths for beefy slot as well. They are good option if you want stable but flat.

[@ryrygygy2025]

Glad you mentioned plastic and weight towards the end. I bag 4 wraiths currently and they can vary greatly based on those 2 factors. My 175g GG halo wraith is crazy overstable and I have a banged in 162g DX that is great for turnover shots and huge hyzer flips that turn and S out.

[@JustDisc]

Weight and plastic have a MASSIVE difference on how a disc performs. Most people understand the plastic part, but a lot of people miss the weight factor! Not only that, but often the weights written on the disc are a bit off too! Always good to check 👍

[@jackmehoff6302]

Wraith is a great disc. I like the orc as well. Pro starfire

[@JustDisc]

The Orc has always been a classic! 👌

[@MisterMonsterMan]

I was told by a local 1022 rated player that I shouldnt go above speed 9-10 discs until I can throw 400-450ft with them anyway, so I have a way to go yet.

[@JustDisc]

It’s definitely a true statement. Most people speed up too often and I want to do a video about that actually. For instance, I can sometimes get my teebirds to fly further than some of my faster speed discs

[@flipflat4814]

A lot of the players I see throwing Destroyers shouldn't even be throwing Wraiths, but probably Orc's instead. My maximum distance drivers are Thunderbirds, (1) 175g DX, (1) 168g Pro, (1) 171g G-star, (1) 175g MF champion, (1) 175g star.

[@JustDisc]

Good advice! Someone else had mentioned this and it’s definitely the next step down from a Wraith 👍

[@eddiek4978]

Great video!

[@OhLookItsKatamari]

Yeah but my destroyer came in the starter pack I bought and it takes chunks out of trees when I bash them compared to my leopard where the tree takes chunks out of it

[@jplee943]

That teal and red Ricky Raptor is sick. I want it😂

[@JustDisc]

Thanks! It’s actually the most overstable destroyer I have at 176g. Right now, I’m using a blue one with the same raptor stamp. Unfortunately, I’ve used it so much the stamp is now non existent lol

[@Photologistic]

I don’t get the comfort argument over a measly 1mm, but you are definitely not the only one saying it. Everyone says the wraith is better for a noodle arm, but I can throw the destroyer, and I’m not a power player. I guess it’s just that my destroyers are mostly beat up DXs and my wraith is pro plastic.

[@JustDisc]

As I’m sure you are aware, an average player could easily throw both and be very satisfied. It all just depends on the plastic and weight. Can’t throw a destroyer? Get it in the dx at 165 grams and I’m sure it won’t be as much of a problem 🤪

[@mjevans9368]

I love the Wraith. I tried stepping up to a Destroyer as my throwing form improved but I'm not yet getting enough consistency in speed and snap for that, whereas I can throw my Wraith well all day long. Oh, and did you ever see Double G rip his Wraith?

[@JustDisc]

Oh I definitely have! Lol. It’s great to know that a big bomber like Double G still has good use of the Wraith 👍

[@peterrayner1119]

I just bought a dx wraith for £17.50 on amazon, can't wait to throw it :)

[@JustDisc]

Enjoy it Peter! It’s my go-to controlled distance driver 👌

[@manzilla86]

I know the numbers are the same except the 12 speed for the Destroyer, but the Destroyer always hyzers out way early for me even when I put a ton of arm speed on it. Wraith is my go to driver, usually have 3-4 rotating. Also like having a range of weights on them, the 160g is more like a -2 for me compared to my 175g, which I use for stronger headwinds. Still like the destroyer for shots that require a lot of turn, and find it more reliable with flex forearms shots.

[@JustDisc]

Not being able to throw the Destroyer properly usually from a lack of speed or form. Don't be discouraged by this, as it's not a disc most players should use. Usually, the best time to whip out the destroyer is when it's very windy and the Wraith just won't cut it. Try throwing the destroyer into a headwind and watch it flatten out! It's usually my favorite time to throw it.

[@manzilla86]

@@JustDisc Thanks, I'll try it on my next windy day of fieldwork. I played a tournament in Southern Minnesota with a constant 30mph wind and it was brutal. Kept the drives decent but putting was so hard.

[@aaronseidl5941]

That stamp for the Halo Wraith is sick! And of course now I want one and they're sold out 🤣🤣😭

[@JustDisc]

Thank you! Stay tuned for 2 giveaways (one at 2500 subscribers and another at 5000) and you never know what we’ll be giving away 👍

[@discordye4825]

I got two!! They're amazing!!

[@Gekayshaman]

If I could find a plain Star Wraith, I would use it. I can only find Halo Wraiths right now and I get more flex from my Star Destroyers, so I generally throw my destroyers further. I just started throwing over 500 ft and my Halo Wraith just hasn't done it for me. Granted, I haven't played many courses that need me to actually throw 500+ ft, so my sample size is low.

[@shr1neCS]

I know that your supposed to be better at throwing mids and putters as a beginner, but honestly I feel like my wraith is my best disc. I can put my full power into it and get a good flight path, and on the forehand I do well also. I can get the Wraith to flex out whereas when I throw a Mako3 (which everyone says is a super easy disc for learning DG) I think I might be over throwing it. It just drops so fast whereas the Wraith keeps going. I think I’m using the Wraith for shots that should be more suited for Fairways or Mids.

[@JustDisc]

Honestly, nothing wrong with using more disc for a shorter hole. If it’s giving you results, keep at it! As you get better and develop more technique, you’ll start to use discs with less speed. It’s just something that takes time. Best of luck!

[@prestonjohnson3321]

What are you using as a disc storage (in the back)

[@JustDisc]

You can find out in this video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKXaXoFmqstngqs

[@Iliyena87]

I can still not get the Wraith to get into a small turn consistently, so In the same bunch of used discs I recently bought I found a GStar Orc, now thats a nice disc for me! Still not max distance thats probably the DD Lucid Captain and my DX Valkyrie, but it goes long and straight. I'm in the 250-350 feet with my Drivers still; Beginner + 4 kids under 10 years makes it hard to plan anything anytime :P

[@JustDisc]

Thanks for sharing Erik, sounds like you got it made! Don't worry about not getting the turn, it will definitely come with time and a bit more practice. And yes for the moment, use the discs that will make your game better, no matter how understable they are. Enjoy!

[@LSMG2004]

I have used both throughout the year but destroyer works way better for me even when i use them as understable

[@danielrosborne]

I have a beat in champion destroyer that I used to use exclusively for forehand shots, but now I'll use it for backhand as well. I find that the valkyrie gets me a little more distance typically than the destroyer. What is your thoughts on the beast vs the wraith vs valkyrie? Any idea which one would typically get best distance? I can get maybe 420 ft on my best back hand drives, but typically in the 350+ range.

[@JustDisc]

The Wraith is suppose to give the most overall distance, considering it’s an 11 speed and the others are a 10 and a 9. For you, it all depends on how you throw. If your telling me you get more distance with the Valkyrie, you could probably throw the beast, which is a great disc. It also depends on the weight and plastic you like to use. For instance you could get the wraith, but you would probably need to get it in a lighter weight, like 168. And if you get it in a softer plastic, like the dx, it will be easier to throw than something like the champion.

[@funkybob7772]

i'm gonna check out the star wraith and see how it flies compared to the neo plastic enigma which is my current work-horse, anyone got thoughst do let me know.

[@JustDisc]

Let us know how your comparison goes! 👍

[@funkybob7772]

i checked it out and without going in at length, destroyer most OS, enigma stable but yet hyzer-flippable and the wraith had a very noticable turn, meaning i won't gain extra distance from it probs. i did like shot shaping forehands with the wraith though.

[@RaabStephan]

Thoughts on the Wraith vs the Krait?

[@JustDisc]

I had a champion Krait and used it quite a bit for mainly forehands. It was actually quite overstable for my skill at the time. It was the first distance driver that I learned to forehand well! For my backhands, it never flew as far as I thought it should. In the end, I ended up losing it but never replaced it since finding the Wraith. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad disc though!

[@RaabStephan]

@@JustDisc I have both in Blizzard Champion, just haven't gotten around to throwing them much or at all. Not sure if my arm speed is there yet or not.

[@JustDisc]

@@RaabStephan For the Wraith or Krait?

[@RaabStephan]

@@JustDisc Both

[@JustDisc]

@@RaabStephan yeah it might not be! Great discs to hold onto though as you get better 👍. And just an FYI, weight is also a big factor. Those discs in max weight will definitely be a bit harder to throw (i.e 175 grams). I throw wraith between 171-173 grams

[@brendanwhite5482]

If I am turning over my wraiths to much during max distance drives, should I try bumping up to the destroyer or work on controlling my wraith? When i can get it right the wraith flies forever but in the wind or when I want to throw really hard I have I hard time controlling it.

[@JustDisc]

Great question! On windy days, go for the destroyer to avoid being too affected by the wind. As for overturning your wraiths, you can always play with the weight and plastic if you haven’t already. Maybe get it in a more premium plastic (i.e champion) and/or a higher weight. Hope this helps Brendan! 👍

[@ChadSolberg]

The wraith is legit! I bag 2 of them... which reminds me because my main driver wraith is getting too beat in... gonna need to pick up a new one.

[@JustDisc]

It totally is! What type of plastic do you use for the Wraith?

[@ChadSolberg]

@@JustDisc I have a pink star wraith and another one, transparent yellow(but not champ), I forget the type.

[@JustDisc]

Nice! The stars ⭐️ are usually my go-to for distance drivers 👍

[@ventarfield7115]

@@JustDisc I bag a champion 175g and a star 169g wraith. The champion will get a little less turn and a quicker fade. I like the champ for big hyzer type shots and the star for more stable to anny shots or max distance....most times but they are versatile.

[@JustDisc]

Makes sense! I’ve never tried a champion wraith, but I’m sure it would help make it more overstable. Do you use/own destroyers?

[@mlghardscopeftw419]

I’m pretty new to discgolf but I can throw pretty far. I got a star destroyer basically just for having one and can’t really throw it backhand. Don’t have a wraith but what I have is a discmania evolution Enigma which feels like how you discribed the wraith. Are they in any way similar or should I pick up a wraith too?

[@JustDisc]

Hey MLG, I apologize for getting back to you so late. Honestly, if you are new, I would just stick to the Enigma and Destroyer until you learn to throw them well. The Enigma does seem similar to the Wraith, but it also depends on the plastic and the weight that you buy. Do you have any slower speed discs?

[@mlghardscopeftw419]

@@JustDisc Didn’t expect an answer so this is very appreciated! Since I posted my comment I got myself a wraith and also got good enough to throw my star destroyer. My enigma on the other hand got too understable for me so i primarly use it for max distance, hyzer flips and general far throws to the right. The star wraith i got feels almost the same as the destroyer, however it is a tad bit more understable!

[@hunnydik7547]

I keep 4 in my bag.

[@brianmaney1973]

Love my Pro Wraith!!! Hard to find ANYTHING understable in stores or online... Lots of new players is great, but Jeez...

[@sharkofthecovenant]

Wraith is my favorite disc. I've bought 5 star wraiths in the past few months.

[@JustDisc]

Yeah I’m a little obsessed with them as well :p. 2 halos and 2 stars! What weight do you carry them in?

[@skrivebom]

Totally agree. Wraith is more beginner-friendly and flies further for amateurs.

[@JustDisc]

It’s an amazing disc. Not only does it feel good in the hand, but you feel like you can do so much with it! 👌

[@georgeaddison5628]

Depends on if it's a paul mcmath or other newer destroyer but if it's a AVERY JENKINS STAR DESTROYER lime green then I would have to disagree

[@Pedalpusher1993]

Eagle And the orc as well

[@braylafave5790]

I found a wraith that looked brand new with new name but I lost at the same course the next day after throwing it twice

[@brian6speed]

cool story bruh

[@MisterMonsterMan]

@@brian6speed Cool reply bruh

[@JDGment]

I have a 170g pro destroyer and now that it’s beat in I can throw it prob 30 ft farther than any other driver

[@JustDisc]

Yeah I hear a lot of people say they love their destroyer once it’s beaten in! Myself included :)

[@aaronhackett5889]

Great videos. My old ass throws Katanas.

[@JustDisc]

The Katana actually used to be my go-to distance driver. I threw it in the star plastic and loved it! Unfortunately, they broke in too fast for me and I felt they were unusable afterwards. It’s a great disc though 👌

[@joem8496]

did you know the "speed" rating is actually "rim width - 10mms?" at least that's how Innova used to define it and other companies have deviated but that's where it started. for example - 2.1cm is speed 11. 2.2cm is speed 12. 1.9cm is speed 9.

[@JustDisc]

Interesting! Thanks for the insight Joe 👍

[@bcp5296d]

Thank you. literally 90% f the disc golfers out there are better suited for a wraith, or even a fresh sidewinder.

[@JustDisc]

Sidewinder is an excellent disc as well, couldn’t agree more 👍

[@lothar1080]

I bet the Wraith is selling because there are so many new people coming into the game with lower arm speed.

[@samuelhedstrom2343]

Tfw max weight destroyers weigh 1.353kg @ 2:28

[@JustDisc]

Yeah I know right?! It’s not the first time I’ve noticed typos of their site :p

[@logicgates7732]

I have a dx destroyer 167 and was a straight up under-stable roller disc, fresh out of the box. I also have a McBeth 4 time star destroyer at 172 with a flat top and Ill be damned if i get any turn out of it, super stable. Your best bet is to learn about the parting line of a disc and take into account disc weight and its dome when looking in the store. This will help a lot to find the disc your looking for and you’ll be less surprised the first time you send it on the course.

[@JustDisc]

Thanks for the input Logic! Great advice 👍

[@Unit_With_Legs]

Realistically most people should throw a valkyrie. Even as someone who can throw 450ft, discs like the sheriff and other 13 speeds go farther but aren't worth the loss of control. The destroyer in 160-165 even brand new gets decent turn and bombs but has that control.

[@andrewklaudt8080]

I've been saying this for years.

[@fergusbolton2804]

You can pry my destroyers from my cold dead hands

[@JustDisc]

Hahahaha, love it! It’s ok, I’ve got my own 😉

[@RockCh4lk]

IMO 2.1cm rims are optimal for the majority of intermediate and advanced level players.

[@jaymcmorris1629]

Im sticking to my guns... destroyers. Lol

[@WhoThaCazer]

I do like destroyers tho i try find more understable ones. Picking destroyers IS bit dark magic and i woild Day never buy online. Get tour hands and eyes on tjem at local store

[@JustDisc]

You are right! Like the difference between the raptor destroyers and the sockibot destroyers. The raptors seem a lot more overstable IMO

[@BradTheBrobarian]

Do yourself a favor and get a scorpius instead. Same mold as the destroyer but less runs made so they fly much more consistent fly similar to the pfn destroyers.

[@JustDisc]

I actually had to look that disc up since its the first time hearing of it. Does it glide as well as a destroyer, even though it has a 4 glide instead of 5?

[@wesmoorer3638]

Wraiths are amazing 🤩

[@wisherb1]

I prefer the tern.

[@JustDisc]

Also a great disc!

[@ericcameronchacun7782]

I'm gonna go buy a wraith

[@JustDisc]

Highly recommended! 😉

[@williamburke5233]

Wraith will suit you to 400 pure hyzer. But they hate headwinds when throwing 350. So wraith are great but not a head wind disc.

[@JustDisc]

Agreed!

[@stevenrs11]

Wraith was my first driver that I could actually throw

[@Todis51]

just picked up a wraith after using a beast

[@JustDisc]

How do you find it in comparison?

[@brianhandwork9762]

Most need an Orc instead... most can't effectively use faster than a speed 10. Imo

[@JustDisc]

We very much agree! 👍

[@ChokeOnMaStank]

I think forgot to mention Double G crushes a halo wraith!!

[@JustDisc]

He certainly does! 👌

[@chasitynowicki8099]

Wraith is by far a better disc.... Destroyers are for +400 ft throwers, and side-armers.

[@JustDisc]

If you don’t get them max weight, they can definitely work, or simply beat one in. But yeah, the wraith is simply great disc right out of the box!

[@lukejo7994]

multiple destroyer aces no wraith...throw both often..anyone else?

[@Veggamattic]

You can get the same result by just getting a slightly lighter Destroyer.

[@JustDisc]

Very true Todd! 👍

[@glancyoutdoors1881]

Hell Guthrie throws his wraith for distance shots same with Ricky

[@JustDisc]

That's right! It's just an easier disc to do things with. And on those days where you might be lacking the snap and power for your Destroyer, the Wraith always has your back!

[@donavintrip713]

Or if a wraith is too strong go to an orc. I loved my super beat in Red Champion Orc. If that’s too strong go to an Eagle

[@JustDisc]

For sure! Orc and Eagle are great replacement discs if speed is an issue

[@Brainzino]

Get yourself a g-star wraith and a g-star destroyer. Your welcome

[@JustDisc]

Thats it? No explanation as to why? lol

[@momentomoridoth2007]

most players should not throw over a 7 speed. if you can not throw a 7 speed 350 feet or further, you have no business throwing a faster disc, in fact it might hinder your game.