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[@CrushlivePoker]

This has to be one of my recent favorite call-in hands because it brings out how to properly hand read. Really, with the low SPR and the villain's check back on the turn we are really trying to figure out how likely is is that the Villain has KQ or QJ. A normal defense to a 4 bet range would only be KQs and QJs, and like I said in the video, there has to be some reflex response of shoving the turn with KQdd or QJdd because of the big draw that would be picked up on the turn.

[@TheTree1]

I don’t like 4 betting this hand pre. The flop is standard. I like shoving turn as you put KK in a really gross spot but checking is fine too. The river just feels like a sigh call.

[@pot_kivach160]

... Properly hand read? I did not hear analysis about what hand would jam river against a 4-bettor's range? (sorry if I missed).

[@lgf2202]

@@TheTree1 I think the hero was spot on with his raise. He explained at the start of the call, the villain was 3 betting frequently. His read turned out to be pretty accurate when villain turns his hand over.

[@TheTree1]

@@lgf2202 there are better hands to do it with imo. I love 4 betting light vs loose 3 bettors but not so much with. T9s.

[@chau5ter]

Ok L

[@brycegillis3285]

I was thinking on the flop that a donk shove on ♦️ turn makes sense. Still have fold equity and we are calling a jam anyway

[@scottt7456]

I like the 4bet pre. I find just calling these over zealous 3bettors just puts us in bad spots and let's them roll over us unless we hit hard. 4 betting punishes their too wide range, and also makes them stop 3 betting us so wide if we do it 2 or 3 times successfully.

[@23BronJames]

I concur.

[@lektuvaas]

4bet is fine but he need to size it larger OOP to like $230+

[@Charlie_Ses]

Getting to the river in that spot and I instantly said to myself "I'd donk shove", thinking being that if I'm behind to a missed flush A I can get a fold. Never would have check-called the river, but hey, I'm here to listen, think and learn. Nice hand, will have to come back to this one. That said 4 betting pre-flop is a rare play, 4 bet bluffs have a nasty habit of putting you in tough spots if you catch a little piece of the flop with a mediocre hand, like here.

[@GetMeThere1]

Before seeing the reveal on the river, I was thinking AQo. His flop raise on top-top is reasonable, and a check on the turn is a plausible check in position (given previous play). So...we'll see, lol.

[@hardflip8]

Pausing before reveal. I like a lead on the river. Putting the opponent on kings here. Q gives him fewer combos of QQ and AQ, I don't think they'd be raising flop and checking turn with AK. Aces I think they are probably 5 betting but maybe not. Edit: Yeah I guess his actual hand makes sense too

[@adambrown8867]

I put him on KK, club draw, or air once the villain checked on 4th street. Reason being if he had KK he was scared of the A on the turn, but after the river was checked he wasn't. As it turned out, he had what is essentially air on the river. I mess up a lot of players who use charts & theory. I can't remember any of that junk when I play. I can have anything at any time. If I feel beat I fold. If I feel good I bet. If I feel really good about my hand or if I'm bluffing I lead big, or I raise big.

[@TheTree1]

No way KK shoves the river.

[@Gos1234567]

Possibly two combos of 89s.

[@sarahsavesit]

Stoked to hear you'll be commentating that game!

[@aloha270999]

I agree with Bart, shove on the turn otherwise you have to check the river with Q on the river and if he shoves you are in a difficult spot to call. But what a call.

[@Dylan-vm4gl]

v should have shoved flop. I like the raise but the sizing was a punt. Like bart says, you can't let guys 1/3 you every time on 3bet/4bet flops. pair plus flush draw on a Q high board seems like the time to take a stand, even in position with low spr.

[@gtaatmiami]

these days i’m constantly getting stuck in these kind of flops. thanks for the insight bart

[@Crypt0M0nkey]

Rare spot, but I like donk shoving turn. Balance that with some KJ AQ AA. As played I would make a crying call on river. The odds are just too great and like you guys have mentioned, when will villain check back QQ 1010 AA KJ on the turn when the SPR is about .5/1 with a bunch of live draws? NEVER. And when would villain ever raise AQ KQ QJ on the flop in a 4 bet pot? NEVER! Great call by caller.

[@scottsmall1952]

Donking the turn is bad, the ace hits villain's range much harder than yours b/c Axcc is one of the main hands villain will raise the flop with that you were ahead of. Villain will never fold a better hand here and you'll get called by all aces and some combo draws (pair+FD, gutter+FD) which have correct odds to call. Also, while KJ is unlikely, it's also in villains range

[@Crypt0M0nkey]

@@scottsmall1952 I have to disagree with the nut flush draw raising here in position. The small bet on flop provides direct odds for a flat, and being in position makes flatting a more logical play for nut flush draw. Raising here in a 4bet pot would risk Hero shoving on Villains nut flush draw off their equity. But all of this is assuming villain is a solid balanced player.

[@scottsmall1952]

@@Crypt0M0nkey Flatting is definitely an option for the NFD but it's not completely unreasonable for villain to raise this spot so I added it to the villains flop raising range. On the turn, I just think you're behind too often to want to jam and it's probably a check fold for me

[@Crypt0M0nkey]

@@scottsmall1952 yea it’s a tight spot. I was thinking what I would do if I check turn and villain shoves there. Very close with so little behind.

[@a_canal]

Before the results I would fold Could only find roughly 7 combos of club bluffs. Too many value hands including every Ax clubs every KJ off and some Qx Edit: 7c8c makes sense. It was one of the bluff combos. I still think the bluff to value range isn’t enough to call.

[@sensiv]

I dont know if this is dependent on what stakes you play. Micro/low/mid or high stakes. At the micros, when someone is playing like that, they would have the nuts 9 out of 10 times. 💀

[@ismaelgonzalez9515]

Before you announced I said he had 89 clubs. He is supposed to 3! That hand at times, then flops a monster draw, so he raises small with intent to check on any brick turn to realize equity. Then when hero checks turn n river he knows hero has no queen, maybe an ace but shoves kuz he knows 7 no good. Good play by both players. I woulda called kuz my read was 98 which was pretty much same air ball

[@MrStevie57]

Initial read was good.

[@chauncieextreme8514]

turn is the best card you could hope for. it hits your range square, you gain fold equity and real equity. if you shove the turn, he folds KK, JJ, probably even KQ, and you never even face a decision on the river.

[@Gos1234567]

Yes I think this a scenario from old school poker logic “if youre going to call a bet with a drawing hand then bet out yerself and you may get folds”

[@scottsmall1952]

Villain never calls here pf with KK given stack sizes and doesn't raise JJ on the flop

[@scottsmall1952]

@@aheroictaxidriver3180 What hands is he raising that have a K or J that are folding to your turn bet? If he raised KJ he's got a strait, if he raised a J or K on the flop it likely had a flush draw which is also calling the turn bet. Hand protection is pretty low on my list given that we aren't deep enough to generate sufficient fold equity. I hate having the play this river but checking is the most EV line by a lot so unfortunately it's the road we have to take

[@scottsmall1952]

@@aheroictaxidriver3180 This is a 4 bet pot, AKo likely 4 bets PF and just made TP on the turn. KQo shouldn't raise the flop. KJ just made a strait. Most of the Kx or Jx hands that would raise the flop that you are ahead of are club draws which aren't folding to a 1/2 pot turn shove. You can't really deny equity and since the A hits your opponents range, this is a check fold situation on the turn

[@chauncieextreme8514]

@@aheroictaxidriver3180yes. enough chips and enough equity to shove turn, & no more decisions

[@fluffysheap]

Crazy hand, how often do you see a 4bet pot where both players have weak hands? I think the right play is to donk shove turn, opponent will (or should) fold anything but AA, QQ, AQ and maybe nut club draw. And if they don't fold, we might draw a diamond. We are much more likely to have diamonds than the opponent. I'm not sure about calling river, barring some sort of strong read. We lose to any plausible hand that could stand the preflop action. Results oriented, sure, it worked out.

[@speakinfaxonly21]

Yeah I mean 78c 89c and J9c are literally the only hands we beat as played. Chopping with 10 9 and lose to J10 that both could be bluffing. We only beat 3 conceivable combinations of hands. Interesting. I pitch it on the river. But I may up front jam turns playing like I have A X of Clubs

[@OshawaStateOfMind]

Lol I love checking back my strong hands on the turn, only to overbet the river and get called light. People always say why would he check with a straight on the turn, why would he check with a boat on the turn? So I can fool you and get the rest of your stack! A hand I would play like this on this board would be kj of clubs because you have the redraw you’re not really worried about more clubs coming out, so check back turn for deception then jam river.

[@mxg1072]

This is an awesome example of thinking "backward " ..going back to preflop.....and then flop and turn play...

[@raduiepure7748]

I m not a results oriented guy. 4b 9Ts is -EV. Flop call vs raise is questionable. River is -EV for sure. You won it and it worked nice for you but I would not play that hand as a 4b bluff. A2-A5s work nice with blocking effect while also unblocking some hands that you can cooler in Flush over flush situations. (QJs, KQs, 67s etc)

[@CrushlivePoker]

what hands that he loses to after the runout are checking back the turn with 1/2 SPR, after raising the flop?

[@pot_kivach160]

@@CrushlivePoker pocket KK, JJ.

[@TheTree1]

@@pot_kivach160 neither of those shove the river.

[@pot_kivach160]

@@TheTree1 thanks for let me know.

[@scottsmall1952]

Flop call is very close but there a few factors that swing it toward a call. 1) hero is getting 4.7:1 on a call 2) he has showdown value 3) villains value range is very small (he's never raising a naked queen on this flop only 2p+) and 4) his bluff range is wide (bunch of combos of flush draws). Hero likely has somewhere around 40% equity against villains range and getting 4.7:1 on a call is enough of an overlay to make a call +EV even if you can't realize your equity 100% of the time.

[@mtgoxsucks435]

As I was listening to this, I was wondering if villain had Jacks. Try to scare AK out on flop then check and bluff river… good call caller!

[@cwaatti]

Could have been KK if it doesn’t get 5-bet pre but I don’t think they jam on river.

[@edwincos4278]

KJ of clubs is a possible hand checking back the turn with a straight. Also KQ checking back turn scared of the Ace. Good call I would of folded.

[@andreguzman8484]

Hero call, good job.👍

[@cheezwhizvids]

I'd like to see a running "actual" vs "proposed" analysis up on the screen as the hands develop, to see which one wins more/makes more money for each hand.

[@stubadub2k]

i didn't want to go all in with middle pair...never stopped me

[@WillPage]

I shove the turn 100% for sure! May aswell get your 10% fold equity on top of your 30% real equity (assuming he is behind).

[@joet7760]

I would add the villain could have Ks and likely would play it the same way (I would think he would check the river). The raise pre and on the flop and check the turn.

[@pot_kivach160]

That (option) would deplete the "greatness" of H river call.

[@joet7760]

@@pot_kivach160 I’m just saying that it is another hand option that wasn’t accounted for. At this level, it would likely have been a check back on the river with Ks but it is a viable option that wasn’t mentioned.

[@pot_kivach160]

@@joet7760 absolutely. That's the option that makes most sense in the given hand context. And because of that it was a fold on both flop and river. However, when one praises H river call, then they cannot talk that option, and vice versa. (this clarifies the nature of my initial comment above). ;) . KK has nothing to be afraid of on river. (check turn rules out pocket AA, QQ, QA).

[@kineahora8736]

Im check-folding this river. But im never in this spot because im never 4-betting this combo pre… And im folding because he checkraised flop repping a Queen, like KQs and QJs. But he has to have some bluffs like K9cc.

[@conephompany]

i feel calling rvr as played is a losing play long term i like a turn jam i like analysis for provoked thoughts

[@ILmachiner]

Bart why do you not consider kk? Calls 4bet pre. Raises flop checks to the A.

[@WeissAdvice]

pausing at 12:24 - kinda feel like the only things that make any sense here are AJ clubs, AQ setting a trap, or like a shit ton of flush draws and air. at 3:1 I think this is almost a snap call. Of course somehow they always have it...

[@WeissAdvice]

wow... 78 clubs - kinda surprised villain doesn't jam turn. But I guess there's a move where you raise small on flop in position in order to get a check on the turn so you can realize your equity. So that's probably what he was doing.

[@Adam-fb5nt]

I'm a fish and yes I would donk-shove turn if I got this deep into a pot and turned my backdoor draw! Can't stand to miss on the river, get shoved on at which point I have decent pot odds and won't know what to do. Rather my opponent have the tough decision.

[@benancona3242]

I'm writing this after seeing the queen on the river. I think he needs to go all in since he is so weak. I think his opponent has a pair of aces which he is disguising. He either loses this hand or goes all in which makes his opponent fold.

[@benancona3242]

Going all in would have had the same result but the opponent was deff bluffing his ass off. Nice read by the hero

[@kinggrantking]

Just saw the flop. If I'm the caller I'm BLASTING this. I actually love the 4bet to $200; it's just repping nothing but strength. With middle pair here I'm going to the moon, and if villain is man enough to call me with KQ/AQ then congrats.

[@scottsmall1952]

Villain never raises this flop with AQ/KQ, it's a flushdraw or 2 pair+ almost always

[@mjriemen]

@@scottsmall1952 Agreed… also, being in the business of trying to get players to fold top pair top kicker on a Queen high board is not going to be a very profitable business.

[@pjcoolie999]

Good call. He wasn’t really repping much besides a few boat combos and missed clubs

[@roadracerdave7645]

i don't know why KQs wouldn't fit the action on every street

[@scottsmall1952]

@@roadracerdave7645 KQs could be in villain's range but KQ shouldn't raise the flop. The other thing to remember is that we only need to be right 1 out of 4 times for this to be profitable. Could villain have KQ? Sure, maybe he raises the flop but he's got bluffs in his range at least 1/3 or the time so this is a +EV call

[@thedegentwins]

watching this hand, sometimes i shove flop just because. i hate leading turns but this is a spot i could. not sure what happened on river yet.

[@thedegentwins]

river just pain. gl hero

[@DomBun28]

I can’t find a call here. I don’t find enough bluffs. I struggle to put 78s in a 4 bet calling range.

[@someluke005]

What are the benefits of a donk jam turn over a check-call jam with this hand? I like this plan, but I'd like to understand it better.

[@gazorpazorp9798]

I thought maybe 89 clubs. These are down with those type of hands to “crack” big hands even into 4 bets.

[@Shawnybravo42]

how many bluffs does villain show up at the river here with besides the few combo draws like 89 clubs and pair plus flush draw hands?

[@Shawnybravo42]

I just feel like his river shoves are just loaded with qx afew boats and the rare kj. seems pretty hard to find many bluffs. nice call I would've folded river given the sequence

[@predwards8941]

LOVE the Cherokee.

[@liyexiang666]

do u think he raise 78c on the flop for equity realization or bluff? Bart

[@no1ghostrider]

I would have most likely jammed the turn, trying to get the queen to fold, while still trying to get the flush draw to call

[@dominicclark5342]

If 4bet pre then why not lead turn? You aren't folding to bet on turn anyways. Right?

[@gnawbabygnaw]

This is a good one. Thanks 🤙🤙

[@connman8d617]

I think ignoring KK is a mistake here. I definitely think KK is the exact kind of hand that calls a 4-bet in position, raises flop, checks back turn, and then jams when checked to on the river.

[@CrushlivePoker]

Why would KK jam the river? To try and get AK or AJ to fold? Come on

[@connman8d617]

@CrushlivePoker I was thinking that when, we check turn and river, we're repping a very capped range. So perhaps KK goes for a bit of a merge for this bet size. I think you tend to people be more merged here than polar given the super low river SPR. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen people make downright disrespectful value bets on rivers like this when checked to.

[@Gingnose]

@@connman8d617 with this board KK beat by every hand in 4 bet range

[@connman8d617]

@Gingnose I mean, couldn't you say the same about hero? How can he possibly believe he is good? How often will his opponent 3-bet, call a 4-bet, and raise his c-bet with a hand that can't beat a pair of tens? I know it makes no sense to bet KK on the end. But I also know that when I hero call live players thinking that they are repping polar they always seem to show some dumb hand they shouldn't be betting for value. Just my experience.

[@miketidman3398]

LOL I said at the start a loose player shows up with 78cc a lot

[@WillPage]

Op should jam turn, after he checks, hero should jam turn.

[@hyphenizm]

If this was me on ACR the villain would turn over pocket queens or a miracle set. I need to play more live.

[@scottsmall1952]

On the flop, villain only has a few value combos (QTsx2, TTx1, and 77x3) and a bunch of bluffs (Axcc), KJcc, J9cc, 98cc and other club suited connectors. He's unlikely to have a Q in his hand b/c what Q wants to raise here? Hero 4 bet pf so his range is uncapped, he can have QQ+ which all jam along with AKcc which probably jams too given SPR. Given that the Qc is on the board, if villain holds a Q he can't hold a flush draw (unless its bd) so why raise here? Hero will fold out worse hands and jam better. Once the river pairs the Q, Axcc will check behind so his shove is more polorized toward bluffs b/c his value hands will shove the turn

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

Why can’t V have QQ on the flop? He’s in position so he’s not always going to 5 bet pre.

[@scottsmall1952]

@@JohnSmith-nx7zj I guess he could have QQ but he'd shove a good percent of the time PF so you can discount it some. Even if you add it to villains value range, hero should still have the equity to call the small flop raise

[@roadracerdave7645]

why wouldn't AQ raise on this flop?

[@scottsmall1952]

@@roadracerdave7645 b/c they don't expect to get called by a worse hand. We 4bet pf so AA and KK are in our range so if he raises AQ or any other queen, he gets jammed on. The pot is so big pf that villain doesn't need to raise for value to get all in and wants us to continue with hands like Tx and weaker queens. With a hand as good as top pair, he's not overly concerned with protection but also can't be confident about raising for value. He's not deep enough to fold us off a flush draw so I would expect a queen to call this flop almost always

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

@@scottsmall1952 yeah V raising AQ here very unlikely unless they’re totally clueless. AQ is in a classic WA/WB scenario.

[@TheAndysim66]

Eric is the man

[@sethno1ram1]

I'd have donk shoved the turn. You're repping a strong ace preflop by 3x

[@mkader2494]

i'm all-in on that villian's flop-raise.

[@Jermo484]

Why? What in the world are you ahead of?

[@CrushlivePoker]

I seriously doubt that there is going to be much of a raise fold range in a 4 bet pot from the villain with these stack sizes.. and if you aren't ahead of the raising range (which you aren't) and there is no fold equity jamming can't be the right play.

[@mkader2494]

@@CrushlivePoker Thanks for that insight. I thought that the 10 was certainly ahead when villain raised the flop, that he was probably on a draw.

[@mkader2494]

@@Jermo484 Hero is ahead of the draws.

[@ILmachiner]

I don't shove the flop if I'm calling 300

[@pot_kivach160]

I like villain's play. (except that he did not scan H profile). You cannot push nor bluff a calling station!

[@martinkempton5153]

Don't think there is a lot of information in this hand to indicate that the hero is a calling station?

[@pot_kivach160]

​@@martinkempton5153 2 sick calls (flop call + river call) in a 4-bet hand speak volumes (of info).

[@robertboyle4296]

Why haven’t we thought about villain having TT or 77. They may check back turn scared of the straight coming in.

[@CrushlivePoker]

It’s the turn SPR that makes this highly unlikely

[@joet7760]

I play at Cherokee a couple times a year for the WSOP main event (I’m there for 2 weeks each time) and a couple other times a year because the games are so good. Although I play bigger than 2/5, I know a bunch of people who are regs in that game (Brad, Tuna, Ryan and a few others) that just print money. It’s a low variance game with enough bad players with big enough stacks and make it a very profitable game. It’s the best game there, I just don’t like the 100 big buy in. I’m not sure if it’s match the stack but anything there over 2/5 is. Rampage was there last year for the series and was in the 10/25/50 game with me and said it was the softest game in the country (he may have said softest place or players, I was 17 hours in).

[@Jealod24]

You got to love all his thumbnail descriptions but never explicitly says anything related within the actual vid. I feel bad to all those who can never see the connection

[@jeffreywu7436]

love your content

[@SINW]

If the flop was a non-diamond 7 would you still call here on the flop?

[@eternalselph]

No

[@pot_kivach160]

7:18 I'd shove the river if it's not a K.

[@hogi99]

Pot committing yourself with second pair seems foolish in most games, unless the villain is just a total maniac.

[@shawnchouinard268]

I think its ridiculous to be putting villain on Q10 or KQ off in a 4 bet pot at these stakes. Unless the games are playing wild and loose I just don't see it. I squarely put villain on AQ, KK or AA. I actually thought a jam on the river made sense as played but obviously incorrect if he has AQ.

[@shawnchouinard268]

Oh my I was way off. Interesting.

[@Gos1234567]

You’re not taking turn SPR into account

[@shawnchouinard268]

@@Gos1234567 what does SPR have to do with range analysis?

[@Gos1234567]

@@shawnchouinard268 V has a 1/2 pot bet left on the turn,checking that back tells a lot about his range

[@brettmasonmedia]

4 betting in this spot pre makes poker hard. I mean unblocking every single premium 3 bet hand that exist, sure sail in the 4 bet 🙄 every decision you has to make after that was hard because of your preflop decisions. There is no reason to make poker this hard. The only reason this hand even gets discussed is because you got a miracle river that allowed you to bluff catch.

[@jamesbell1613]

Very bad bluff on the river, especially against someone this sticky.

[@jonfaller8915]

Double gutted straight draw never metioned

[@link.6231]

Am I the only one who thought this screamed Jack Jack?

[@chazsmith20]

Congrats on the river call but, really, kind of pure luck. Because ANY reasonable non-nut hand is beating you. He could have played this way with any Ax, any Qx, JJs, KJ, K10. I mean I'm struggling to find any hand other than a stone cold bluff that you're beating, maybe Kx of clubs where the x is not A, Q, J or 10, lol. Maybe Jx of clubs where the x is not any broadway card or 10. Heck ANY 2 broadway cards (A-10) are beating you.

[@danielwolf9582]

Love these robots who mindlessly hair cbet 1/3 no matter what lmao

[@andrewsanders5774]

I was thinking pocket 7s the whole time

[@kevinm.6855]

This is a horrendous call. This guy's called in to brag. No, you played horribly.

[@dahluh]

these videos have good titles, thats about it. literally nothing special from bart, essentially him just saying commnon sense stuff at this point. unsubbed

[@shawnlinville7907]

Nice call sir