Why you need to Carry a Ton of Ammo

[@NYHCx845]

I went to Iraq with 7 mags, the standard load out. Half way through the deployment I was carrying 15 on every patrol. Ammo is like money.... there's never enough when you absolutely need it

[@danahowerton9638]

Out of genuine curiosity and a need for information were these at immediate access or were some in your pack thank you man.

[@mtnbound2764]

i bet there were guys asking you for mags when they ran out too!

[@Bryan-uw1ny]

Same for me in Afghanistan. I'd carry ten extra mags in my pack.

[@jamesbuchanan3145]

Yeah I'm not planning on going to either Iraq, nor Afghanistan. If America sees that level of combat....we're going to have way worse things to kill us than just gun fights. Starvation, disease, etc. Odds of most of us even surviving a firefight where we reload once or twice is pretty damn slim

[@NYHCx845]

@@danahowerton9638 I kept 6 on my flak (2 double mag pouches, 2 single mag pouches) and I moved them more to my sides so I could get lower to the ground if I had to go prone. So 6 on my flak, 1 in my weapon and 8 in my private purchased assault pack. And FYI my assault pack, which I still have and use, is the Spec Ops THE Pack.

[@andrewkeene6429]

Vietnam Vet here, at 126 pounds, I carried 100 pounds of gear that started with 25 mags and as many stripper clips as I could find. Our mags were 20s but usually carried only 18 due to irrational fears of spring issues. After my first "out of ammo patrol" I ended up carrying even more ammo. We carried 2 gallons of water (8 quart canteens) and refilled anywhere we could. Our patrols were 14 day unless we were stuck. I was shot twice and at 75 today have scars showing from frags, RPGs, mortars and bullet burns. Kids, talk to the old guys!

[@jeffreygreene7574]

Welcome home ❤

[@andrewkeene6429]

@@jeffreygreene7574 Thank you!

[@carlkidd9571]

Hell u were probably also carrying a 100 round belt also for the machine gunner… loaded down like a pack mule

[@andrewkeene6429]

@@carlkidd9571 Also 2 radio batteries...

[@RickJamesGhostGuns]

🎯🎯🎯 Those are some wise words from a wise man. And wisdom comes from experience

[@GeoFry3]

When can you have too much ammo? 1. You just fell off the boat into deep water. 2. You are on fire.

[@CoffeeFiend1]

During night time small boat insertions where the entire thing win or lose is resolved with a handful of weapon discharges it's absolutely critical to carry 12 magazines + another 8 for your pistol so you can just sink and die efficiently if you fall.

[@andrewcarlson2178]

Speaking as a sea goung bell hop (Marine), you put a water proof bag in your pack and seal it with a twist tie. Now your pack floats. Idc if I'm on a carrier, if I'm feet wet, I have that bag in my pack.

[@bentheguru4986]

That's funny as F...

[@jessebarnett4205]

Naw because your plate carrier has you fubar regardless of mag load out in both cases lol

[@joshrussell9008]

😂

[@CormacBride]

"A gun without spare ammunition, is a temporary gun." ~ Massad Ayoob

[@metabang03]

@CormacBride "drugs" (beer is one of the worst drugs) and guns, don't mix. Gun possession or use is only cool if totally sober and drugs aren't with you either. Naughty naughty. Guns are for the sober. If euphoria in mind is altered chemically, guns should be at home and locked up. Shouldn't even be doing any mind altering if ur a gun owner. I traded weed and beer for guns. I'd rather be able to defend my self then get fucked up my self.

[@garbagemail55]

Really? And under what circumstances do you figure you are going to need 120 rounds of ammo?

[@pitamonster7374]

@@garbagemail55any situation someone shoots at you

[@Wf250]

@@garbagemail55 thats only 4 mags you goober

[@gator7082]

Ammo, water, socks. That get's you through many things.

[@piratecat990]

Per the Fat Electrician: "Caffeine, nicotine, and hate" should get you through the rest...😂

[@ManInTheWoods76]

@@piratecat990 yup. I was gonna add nicotine to his short list. You beat me to it

[@SoloRenegade]

....Rifle

[@RandyBeretta-db5bg]

My WWII Father always said that.! ✳️⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐✳️👍

[@FeralApache]

You just lost the war son because you forgot the motrin 😂

[@carlosspiceyweiner3305]

The best part of being a M-60 gunner was the fact that everyone carried ammo for me!

[@marksmith8953]

never minded carrying 100 round belt for them. its sure was worth it

[@patrickmcdermott4818]

I've never heard anyone say after a gunfight say, "I was carrying too much ammo."

[@Treblaine]

They do say "I was carrying too much." And also say "I wasn't carrying enough X" where X isn't ammo. Everyone wants more of everything! Everyone wants to be weighed down less. This is not a simple dilemma.

[@thejoseonone]

So there I was playing escape from tarkov, I had at least a 1000rds of 556 plus my m4, plus the 12 other guns I was carrying as loot. My stamina bar was draining so fast. One thing I was thinking was I wish I didn't carry all this ammo.

[@BidenCrashenomics]

I feel like I'd be that guy just to agitate my sergeant.

[@matthewcasagrande231]

That’s because those people died

[@GUARDIAN.13]

@@titaniumquarrion9838 exactly. Another problem rarely talked about is when a soldier goes into combat their objective is to kill and disrupt the enemy. As a citizen just trying to gather things or get from point A to point B their objective is to be as invisible and non combative as possible. These are entirely separate missions sets and while some things can greatly benefit a citizen that the military does in combat, carrying 14 magazines and heavy gear isn't part of that. But unfortunately realistic citizen survival skills, techniques and state of mind aren't as sexy as just telling people that they need a combat load because 4 magazines wasn't enough when they went into a city filled with terrorists that knew what they looked like and knew that they all were coming. In most situations where citizens are traveling through martial law they aren't even going to be able to conceal their rifle on them that they focus on so much to need 30 magazines for it and their pistol skills probably suck lol.

[@ghijkl]

I think I a lot of people in the community need to work on being able to hike a couple miles at elevation before they even consider these things

[@unknownsoul1206]

I've been working towards being able to do a Roman forced March. 30miles with 80-100lbs. I normally like 15 to 20 mile hikes in the mountains. I like the thought of being able to ruck out of anywhere with everything I'd need to survive.

[@johnl1246]

or do both, fitness is an implied task.

[@davidschreiner6667]

Extra ammo seems pretty light when you know it may save your ass.

[@SoloRenegade]

and it gets lighter fast, as you consume it.

[@iplayfenderbass1]

That's how I feel about the plate carrier too. I love his videos but don't understand why he always says not to bother? I feel like 6 pounds of armor is well worth it's weight when it could save your life.

[@SoloRenegade]

@@iplayfenderbass1 depends upon the situation. for most real-world minuteman stuff, it does not make sense.

[@Murderface666]

Nothing is saving you in an ambush by a group. The best way to stay out of an ambush is to not do patrols. This isn't Band of Brothers.

[@SoloRenegade]

@@Murderface666 all the veterans who've survived ambushes prove you wrong. There is more than one way to avoid being ambushed as well.

[@ZmonsterSMZ]

14 magazines was our standard SOP. Shoot, shoot often, shoot a lot, I can get more ammo later, I cannot get more of you.

[@jaythemachine3845]

How many rounds in the mag?

[@benkempf]

what was your non standard SOP?

[@ThirdCoastAirsoft]

@@jaythemachine3845 30 rounds

[@ZmonsterSMZ]

@@titaniumquarrion9838 no, better to have it, then be short on ammunition.

[@henrocks4618]

I told my wife all the time that “You can never have enough ammo.” She thinks I am crazy while she stock up on lipstick.

[@paddypibblet846]

Your wife's lips will be more useful to her in a SHTF environment than the ammo. Women know their weapon's of choice.

[@tayronachan]

😂

[@bleu_chzst924]

Women just cannot wrap their heads around shit hitting the fan. Honestly its really annoying

[@haroldhenderson2824]

Different ammo for different tactics!

[@garbagemail55]

@@bleu_chzst924 What shit exactly. Live in the real world not some bizarre fantasy.

[@MrGreblin]

I would add just for reference that a dump pouch is a must as a militia we don't have uncle sugar to keep giving us new mags

[@dj4514]

yep

[@sirflingspoo]

"Carry enough ammo for the fight you don't want to be in" Skully SOE

[@psubond]

"I never heard of anyone complaining about having too much ammo in a fight" - Clint Smith

[@FreedomInc]

Skullcap a cool guy. Aside from youtube land.

[@majorian4897]

What fantasy fight are people here seriously excepting beyond the retard looking to rob you at a gas-station?

[@Curious-Mr.-Lee]

That is fucking dope

[@44hawk28]

My favorite class in bayonet fighting went like this. Gentlemen, I am here to teach you Bayonet Fitn'. Rule number one. Never, ever, run out of ammo! Class... dismissed

[@realpropertymangement7640]

One in the gun, seven mags on my chest rig, three more molle'd to the hydration pack, and six additional in the patrol pack. I well remember the identical statements made to me by two separate, well decorated combat vets... "You can NEVER have too much ammo!"

[@chrismeister2554]

I regularly hear it put in the format of “you never have too much ammo… unless you’re drowning or on fire”

[@randallkaeser]

This💯

[@shockwave6213]

17 mags, so 510 rounds? Damn. That's enough ammo to get you through just about any firefight. My personal setup is 12 mags on the plate carrier, 1 in the gun, 4 on the battle belt and 3 spares in my pack. But my setup is for a G3 platform (PTR-91) load so I'm carrying 400 rounds of 3-0-Hate.

[@realpropertymangement7640]

@shockwave6213 I have to admit that I'm either carrying the patrol pack (with water onboard) OR the hydration pack, not both at the same time. So, at most, 14 mags (420 rnds). Your 3-0-hate is a heavier load, in a few ways! 👍😉

[@bigmambahful]

@@shockwave6213 Great choice on the blaster, it's such a great machine. I call mine The Beast, especially when it has a 50rnd drum in it.

[@user-ss3bx2no6d]

As previously stated in Vietnam in a light infantry unit you could not carry enough ammunition. The average soldier was humping 100lbs or more. The standard issue was 7 - 20 round M16A1 magazines carried in 2 old M14 ammo pouches plus grenades. The soldiers would also carry 3 bandeliers with 7 - 20 round boxes w/ 1 stripper clip adaptor and canteens of water. Then most soldier got 7.62mm 100 rounds belts for the M60s and a few carried extra 40mm grenades, claymores and LAWs instead of M60 rounds. Empty canteen covers was the general-purpose carry pouch. The Lt. and Sergeants swapped out with smoke, flash lights, batteries and flares. Then there was the other shit, like machetes, axes, det cord, etc. Heat exhaustion and stroke was a constantly dropping physical fit 19 yr. olds.

[@leesurferdude]

Running out of ammo is terrifying, nuff said.

[@mtnbound2764]

and when you run out you'd give anything fo rmore

[@leesurferdude]

@@mtnbound2764 My dad was also a war vet, he told me before going in that if I was ever in a firefight I'd truly understand the pucker factor. I think that was a pretty good description, what a cluster fuck feeling :)

[@michaellewis5624]

Just thinking about a time I did run out of ammo makes me feel sick! After that experience I always had 12-15 loaded mags. Pockets full of ammo, ammo everywhere! That time I did run out of ammo was terrifying and a helpless feeling I never want to experience again!

[@leesurferdude]

@sauliluolajan-mikkola620 Knife fighting during a gun battle is bad for the health ^5

[@GUARDIAN.13]

So is running out of a bunch of other needed items that weren't packed due to space constraints or simply because people focus on the wrong things and didn't even think to pack it.

[@colerape]

Custer died because he went into combat with only 40 rounds per trooper. Carrying enough ammo is always the biggest question for the PBI.

[@Joeypeez]

Thanks for the education Randall. Us civilians who have zero experience in the real world but who are concerned about what’s coming need to hear this stuff. Not some Rambo fantasy. Keep it coming.

[@KYAg227]

agreed, never served im 53 next month training best i can.

[@Murderface666]

@@KYAg227 We'll as a former grunt, patrolling will get you killed, because you're the one moving. There's videos that prove it. When Kardashianstan (Armenia) and Azerbaijan were going at it, Azerbaijan soldiers ambushed an entire platoon, laying them all dead in well under a minute. In Israel, Palestinians posted a video recently where 3 Israeli soldiers got ambushed, eating a hail of bullets. Only one attempted to fight back, because the Palestinians thought he was dead. One of the soldiers freaked out and tried to run after seeing the lead guy flop. So if you're patrolling, you're just asking to be a target. Eyes attract to irregular things moving.

[@Constitutionalist76]

Citizens, never civilians. Don't use that term made up by the military, to make soldiers think they're better than us. Nobody is more important than the US citizen.

[@andycraig6905]

​@@Murderface666 sounds kinda like hunting honestly. Everything else is gonna find you first if you go stomping around through the woods, you sit and wait. And if you move, you move carefully and quietly to the next concealed position so you can be the one to find the game, or the enemy, moving and be able to see them first so you can plan and actually do something.

[@MrHeiss-my3co]

They drew first blood ! Ra-wwwwwww .

[@josegutierrez8318]

As a Marine Infantry Plt Sgt with combat experience before 2003 Iraq, I learned to carry extra ammo, the number 1 priority. When we went into Iraq, I carried 10 perso mags, 9 preloaded mags (3 per squad), and six bandoleers (2 per squad) of ammo. There were many a firefight we got into, where my perso mags went down to 1 or 2 just for myself. So, I totally agree with your assessment. Carrying 4 mags into a fight is only asking to be killed before the fight even starts; that is how quickly ammo disappears in real-life combat.

[@einzelfeuer_2855]

It's crazy to me how many guys own ARs and have never dumped a few mags so they have no idea that 5 mags can last as little as a couple of MINUTES when you're laying it down really heavy in semi auto.

[@KevinH_753]

Question: Just curious, could you clarify what you mean by "perso mags" and "preloaded mags?" for those of us who don't know...Not really sure what those terms mean myself, (perhaps I should).

[@ericmckinley7985]

​@@KevinH_753he's a marine. You're working with barely a GED'S worth of intellect. You have to fill in the blanks yourself the best you can. Be thankful he's not communicating halfway in emojis and excessive elipses like a boomer.

[@CthonicSoulChicken]

I was in a unit that had the Delta guys teach only carrying 5 mags--2 on each side of your vest and 1 in the weapon. The reason was that we were in an urban area and climbing over a lot of walls and in windows, etc. We kept the front relatively slick for that reason. HOWEVER--we were MECHANIZED. We had HMMWV's and MRAP's absolutely laden with loaded mags and bekts never more than a block away. We slso had a support platoon. Outside of this specific situation, you need a combat load. Regarding recon, I spent most of my time in a sniper section and we carried two combat loads a piece. QRF might be 15 minutes away, but thats a LONG 15 .inutes if people know where youre at and theyre trying to kill you. Also--Army doctrine is 3:1 odds whenver posdible. Meaning, if you come into contact with an enemy firce, you break contact unless you have 3:1 odds. Overwhelming firepower. Most "real" firefights are lots of suppressive fire with indirect or close air support doing the real killing. If things really collapse, we won't have ibdurect, we won't have CAS, and we probably won't even have machineguns. Every magazine counts. Every magazine is approximately one minute you will have a say in whether someone else kills you or not. Finally, you have to be able to carry it. While running. For speed and for distance. Blah, blah, blah--I'll shut up now.

[@thmsmgnm]

I wonder if those guys were in Somalia. Because all the Delta guys who ever talked about that day talk about running low in ammo and scrambling to scrounge up ammo or sending guys to retrieve ammo dropped out of helicopters, pre-speedball days. 3 things that stick out from their talks was water, ammo, and never leave behind the NVG.

[@RighteousJ]

​@thmsmgnm the movie doesn't do the book justice, and the book (as I discovered in my youth) is an invaluable source of info regarding the reality of urban firefights - even for the uninitiated civvie. I still have that book 25 years later.

[@justanothergunnerd8128]

Please continue the rant - good advice there!

[@drd1924]

@@justanothergunnerd8128 Agreed, lots of good stuff said

[@pandnh4]

@@CthonicSoulChicken this is probably the most practical comment I've seen on these kinds of channels.

[@zeck8541]

I carried 13 mags in Iraq and Afghanistan. 12 on my rig and 1 in my rifle. 5 times I was on my last 1-2 mags before I got access to resupply. Not for lack or fire discipline. On the contrary. If you find yourself initially reacting to contact, suppressing, then firing at a sustained rate for fire and movement…and that lasts or has intermittent engagements over a period of a few minutes to an hour depending on intensity, you can easily notice how light your rig suddenly feels because you have burned through the majority of your ammo.

[@markf3229]

@@zeck8541 Most, if not all of these fire situations come from being ambushed and the enemy have the element of surprise and have unobstructed view of the killing area. At first contact you can imagine as the adrenaline is pumping you are in a serious life and deaf situation and your first mag is gone in 5 seconds.

[@zeck8541]

@@markf3229 that’s basically what I said in different words.

[@cQ2DHPavXTqemm9Vsbgi4TV7x]

@@markf3229 that’s pretty much exactly what the original commenter said

[@ronwick2602]

I’m old but many years ago I worked as a LRRP. With all of the shit we had to carry, ammo was always the most important. The old adage of “travel light, freeze at night” probably started like that. Comfort items like poncho liners or an extra poncho were left behind for a couple extra mags or at least ammo on stripper clips. I kept 12 mags on my belt and another 10 in the ruck. Our order of importance…ammo, water, grenades, socks, optics and everything else. A 100 pound ruck was the norm. Six men down range and often beyond the reach of help, have to carry a lot of gear. When the shit hits the fan and you’re being hunted, what do you want to have. Four more mags or a poncho liner.

[@garygrant91]

More years ago than I will admit, I was a leg infantry squad leader. You would not be able to get me into theater with only 4 mags. It would take a hell of a lot more than that to even consider going near the wire, let alone outside of it.

[@JeffHanauer]

I get your point but a poncho liner dont weigh nothing.

[@ronwick2602]

@@JeffHanauer light weight yes, but they took up so much space. I always choose food over the poncho liner if we were going to be out for long. You can put a lot of ramen or rice in the space that a poncho liner takes up.

[@blackhawk7r221]

I’m here to tell you brother, that woobie fits into your cargo pouch.

[@ronwick2602]

@@blackhawk7r221 Yep, you can shove that in there and give all of the wait a minute vines something extra to grab hold of. Not to even mention what it would have smelled like after being submerged in a swamp for a couple hours. Mosquito net and that green towel was enough for the few hours of sleep we got at night.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

My fear is when things go bad, it just my wife and I. I can do my job but, my wife will not. I don’t expect to meet a peer, I expect to meet a peer who works for the government and has enhanced kit and firearms. It won’t be only one, it will be a team. This team has trained together to violate my Rights and ensure I can never testify in a court of law. Semper Fi!

[@possumpatrol45]

If you are carrying n magazines, you will end up needing n+1.

[@joshj7012]

The average CCW actually needs zero. I get the logic behind carrying extra ammo, but real life picking up plants at Home Depot and driving to and from work is not the freaking Tet Offensive

[@certified0093]

@joshj7012 in a lot of self defense circumstances one is enough, but I guess if you're already carrying a gun why not be one step more prepared

[@bigmambahful]

@@joshj7012 *Yet

[@ecobasetech4558]

@@joshj7012 You ever hear the phrase: "Two is One, One is None"?

[@user-nr8py1br5c]

@@joshj7012 The average CCW doesen't need ANY magazines? You just put one in the chamber and hope you can turn deadeye on when it hits the fan?

[@echohunter4199]

I’m SFC DeVos, K. 2-6 INF, 1st AD. I’m retired now and I won’t forget the day when SSG Clay was killed in Ramadi in 2005. As a platoon sergeant I always carried a couple mags of all tracer ammo that I used to mark points where I want concentrated fire and it also worked for any aviation assets in support, I just told them to look for all tracer fire and it worked perfectly. And yes, we always carried at least 2 basic loads and NCO’s carried a few HC smoke grenades and a couple red smoke grenades. We have 6 magazine bandoleers and they’re perfect for carrying a LOT of ammo loaded and ready to use. Don’t be afraid to use smoke grenades and have the 203 gunner pumping HE at the enemy as you maneuver your men.

[@hookeye2]

‘Fortunately for me, the Major in his spit shined boots, starched stateside fatigues and nice shiny belt buckle didn't notice the FTA on my helmet. My once black boots had been completely scuffed to a grayish tan after two months in the field. I carried my particular sixty-plus pound standard basic combat load (in the field there'd be at least an additional LAW and Claymore). I stood there with M-16, tin pot, seven hundred and fifty rounds of 5.56 mm ammo, four frags, three full one quart canteens, entrenching tool with pick, a bayonet, a parachute flare, a trip flare and a half-dozen cans of C rations in old socks tied on the back of my web gear, and I was wearing the same sweaty, faded, brown stained jungle fatigues that I’d worn for two months. We lived in separate realities.

[@stevepark2643]

..... pretty sure the same guy was running things in central America in the middle 80's when I was down there. We literally were forced to walk around on patrol without a mag in our weapon. IT was insane!!!

[@teampyle9835]

As an ex LRS guy, the amount of ammo you carry will be mission dependant. It's up to you and your team to decide how much ammo you are going to need. Minuteman defense forces will require a lot of observation with a few well planned strikes on supply chains to crush the moral of your enemy. I believe minutemen should be light and fast for probing missions like reconnaissance or supply chain disruption. Good leadership and well planned missions is going to be extremely crucial! Friendly fortified defensive positions will require the most ammo. Breaking contact is 1000m or a major terrain feature and it will require a lot of ammo especially if you dont have a good exit plan. Have multiple exit plans! If your infil route is a long one, you should identify multiple rally points along the way for a break contact situation (perhaps a rally point between every valley or ridge line). Contact is most likely on infil and exfil, so that's when you should have extra ammo on your body. Within your OP or hide sight, you can lighten the load. I recommend bounding techniques for all your movements so that if contact is made, you dont have all your eggs in one basket. It will reduce the signagure of your movement, but Also, it keeps your guys fresh as theres more breaks from humping heavy gear. "If you aint cheating, you aint trying" Make every fight unfair in your favor.

[@donpaco8163]

I had to look up what LRS means. Your feedback makes more sense than the video!🎉 Ex military rescue seaman...if I go into the jungle for whatever reason I will bring a 44 Magnum revolver, a machete & a tomahawk.

[@RedDevil5081]

"Carry all the ammo and water you can on your person." ~ CSM Don Purdy

[@OldMusicFan83]

I think he was my brothers CSM in 3rd Ranger BN in the late 80s. He submitted a training plan where all of the Rangers were shot in the leg with a 22 - then ruck march, so they knew what it was like.

[@asrt1982]

​@@OldMusicFan83wtf are you talking about

[@richy5833]

I want to share something with all of you, something about the topic you are discussing. A while ago I read several books written by MACV-SOG veterans, I invite you to read: across the fence, on the ground, whispers in the tall grass for example, in these books they tell how each operator carried around 50 mags, over the water or any other element they preferred to carry ammunition.

[@wacojones8062]

All are available on Amazon I just checked. On the ground I may have a copy of but I will buy a fresh copy when I have the funds.

[@reyvynnightveil1706]

14 was most common in Somalia and Iran. Full 7 issued, 210 rounds. Another 7 in your day/mission pack, and as much water as you can carry. Some of us carried a few spare mags near the bottom of our packs too. Ammo and water are two of the heaviest things you HAVE to carry, but they are, by far, the two most important consumable items you don't want to run out of.

[@mr.k.i.s.s7496]

No lie about the water. You could drink a quart in 15 minutes and still be dehydrated in Iraq. And that's without moving around.

[@HisDudeness2023]

This is a superb video and I agree with everything you said. When I saw the title, my first response was: suppressing fire consumes massive amount of rounds and if you don’t plan is when the worst thing happens. Instead of talking, you could’ve just shown a video of a seal team doing an extraction maneuver. One man retreats set up man in front stop firing and retreats. The station man has heavy suppressing fire is empty the seal suppresses and they’re 10 to 20 yards at a time. Massive, massive amount of suppressive Fire. Easily one seal went through 10 magazines doing that . And they weren’t wasting any rounds… That drill shows you why! Super content. Besides that they made the 30 round magazine for exactly this type of tactics!! Ammo is cheap compared to the cost of training a good soldier.

[@frankr.5710]

Great points. The military has ammo resupply. In SHTF, you only have what you carry. If you've had to leave your house and have no ammo supply nearby, you're screwed. As a civilian out in the woods, ammo and water are king.

[@boondocker7964]

Emergency ammo re-supply for us was, 10K rounds, that was a lot of weight, if you didn't really need it.

[@mixmix1487]

I was an 0321 man 7 of my 12 years. Whether it was indirect or direct action, I always had at least 12 magazines on me. The situation may dictate, but the situation never dictated how much ammo I carried. Whether I was running long range or breaching. One instance we actually had to run a modified QRF to, believer or not, assist CAG and Afghan Kommandos because they were being suppressed by small arms fire and they were out of ammo. These are great guys with a phenomenal skill set, but even with all that skill and knowledge, they were sitting ducks once they ran dry. Stay training, gents, and stay strong so you can carry more than the cool guy four mags. Great video by the way.

[@MrHeiss-my3co]

Don't forget to let everyone know that most of the fighting will be at night when you can't see squat . Alot of people think it will be like a Wild West gun fight . Thanks for the video and how to make tactical movements . Definitely want buddies that have trained together .

[@drd1924]

Truth, every 12 year old airsoft kid has NV nowadays

[@GUARDIAN.13]

@@drd1924 realistically after about 3 days I'd say 7 to be safe most people's night vision isn't going to work anymore due to a lack of thinking about power sources. People tend to worry about having 30 magazines and goggles and forget about not so sexy things like water purification and batteries.

[@0311matt]

when I was a rifleman in the marine corps we each carried at least 7 mags on patrol in Iraq, and then on top of that had a marine with a day pack filled with spares in case we got stuck for a while. you can never have enough ammo if you think you may get hit.

[@boondocker7964]

You mean that you had a dedicated ammo humper? What, one in a squad, or fire team? How many spares? Where did all the extra mag's come from? RVN '66-'67 1st Mar Div 0311.

[@jamesshepherd5222]

I remember my dad talking to me about Vietnam. I cant remember his exact load out. He ran supply convoys. He said he didn't have to worry about weight because he had a truck. M14 and probably 50 mags between what was on him, ruck and an ammo crate he took out of the truck with him.

[@drd1924]

Some of the MacVSog guys carried 50 mags min, and those were the skinny 160lb dudes

[@wacojones8062]

One friend was a field engineer in Nam He had 2 1/2-ton cargo truck M14 24 loaded mags crate or two of ammo, crate of grenades crate of LAWs plus a supply of demolition gear for clearing LZ and Arty positions fast.

[@dyoung06]

We used to carry 22 mags, 2 frags, one LAW, one claymore and a pound of C4, plus a case of C-rations. That was our body armor too. We would fire the LAW in the first or second firefight so we wouldn't have to carry it any further.

[@mdevaderspam]

I get your point. Still history shows us that locals, often farmers, have held off armies because they know the territory better. Additionally in a post SHTF scenario you won't have access to rearm with more ammo.

[@Minor1623]

I've been arguing with people for years brother keep spreading the word hopefully they'll listen to you we do not have a resupply we do not have a medical tent to go back to with surgeons people need to understand this is not about looking cool and having fun if you're not willing to actually die for your cause stay at home people need to be running through the woods right now with a plate carrier and plenty of mags with stripper clips in your bag ready to feed your mags I pray that God bless this Republic and keep it even though I feel that we no longer deserve it

[@GodGunsGills]

Amen amen and amen brother

[@bombomos]

In simplistic terms. Its Halo CE versus Halo 2. In Halo CE your AR has. 60 round mag, that you can carry 10 spare. That's 600 rounds. Majority of the time that will get you through half or almost all the way through mission without having to resupply or change weapons In Halo 2 you have a BR with 36 round mag and you can only carry 4 spare.... 120 is what they give you in game. Even though that number doesn't add up to 4 full mags There is not a single Halo 2 mission that you are not down to you last or second to last mag by the end of each fire fight

[@animal0mother]

Halo 2 compared to 1 in general pushed out effective engagement distances with the covenant carbine, battle rifle, beam rifle, etc., but seeing as how that just led to a low-risk play style where most enemies were not even a little effective against the player, they just limited the ammo capacity of all those guns. I wish they upped the effectiveness of enemies at distance, or made them close to engage the player better.

[@MarilynStangl]

You guys do realize that you are using video games as reference points! How much does 600 rounds weigh? On top of all your other standard gear! Light is faster and quieter than hauling everything plus the kitchen sink! Minutemen probably won't have any backup or resupply coming to them so in most areas things like water, food, shelter all will have some level of priority! Also, the minutemen have the advantage of home turf, they can and should have multiple caches already in place before they can effectively patrol an area as well as pre-made OPs, LPs and ambush sites!

[@geraldmantanona6116]

As a fellow U.S. Army Combat Veteran, you make a lot of great & valid points. At a minimum, Seven 30 round magazines need to be carried, because that is a combat load. 👍🏾🇺🇸

[@Korporaal1]

I am a nurse in an Evac unit. I command that unit. I am not a combattant and not expected to end up in a TIC... I carry six to eight magazines for my long weapon and three for my side-arm. So when people who want to look all ally carry less than the softest guy on the battlefield, they're being incredibly stupid and likely to end up in my care!

[@takiniteasy88]

I’ve watched every John Wick movie 12 times. I should be able to take on a well trained, platoon sized element with a G19 and one and a half mags!

[@rebel_infinity7326]

But, John Wick had cheat codes, for ammo, health and such ; )

[@bjlewis5431]

@@rebel_infinity7326 Yeah, not to mention huge amounts of plot armour too..being the main Rockstar & all. And, all the movie bad guys are inept, and largely irrelevant, except when their scripted not to be.. Not so much, in real life.

[@Drillbeast1]

A pencil. For gods sake, don't forget your combat pencil!

[@d.doherty6521]

Really great video!!! As a 11B for 8 years your video is 100% on point. I always carried 13 mags minimum!!!

[@Toms2ATime]

I've been on both ends of the spectrum - I was the dude carrying a minimum of 12 mags on body and 10+ in a team bag every time I went for a walk, then cut back to 7 mags (6 in the rig and 1 in the blaster) when our DA ops got a little more up-tempo and shorter duration...then we got stuck on a hillside, pinned by a DShKM, and everyone went dry in the 3+ hours that followed - I'm still here because an Apache saved our a$$es. I went back to carrying a minimum of 420 rounds on body. The moral of the story is told for me around the 9:04 of this video. I wish you were drinking Banquet instead of Light...

[@williambush7971]

Nobody has ever left a gunfight and said Damn, I had to much ammo.

[@ammalvonnostrand2935]

As much as possible... thats your answer. Ammo will supply you with all other needs and wants

[@waynemayfield2344]

Ive been reading the comments for an hour and am fascinated by the many experiences shared, and am so proud of these real men. I have a good amount of ammo but am buying more after reading these many accounts. What's currently happening in Aurora Colorado might be coming to a neighborhood near you. Nice to know America has lots of armed veterans. Never forget, they tried, and are still trying, to disarm veterans. Never give up your guns, and for our country's sake, load up on ammo!

[@tenchraven]

3-4 in a chest rig sounds about right for a SWAT team executing a search warrant or dealing with a couple of barricaded bank robbers. Everyone else... it's a little light. "Amateurs study tactics, pro study logistics" has been quoted to death, but when your log is what you're carrying turns into "carry more ammo".

[@austinpowers1999]

After watching Rambo take on the entire country of Afghanistan all by himself I figured I will just hire him for protection.

[@arapahoetactical7749]

I'm an old retired Zoomie and even in the AF I thought the standard load out was a joke. State side it was only 4 magazines. When I was at Kunsan AB ROK it was only 7 and during exercises we'd often run out of ammo. When I went out as Red team, I carried as many as I could cram into pouches, pockets and even packs, but then we were just 6 guys against an entire base.

[@PokeKid1ge1co1]

In regaurds to this I need some advice as to "Am I doing the right things?" from people who are more in the know than me. So my wife and I have the same rigs for us to wear if SHTF for emergency GTFO situations. We both have AR-15's that are set up for ourselves so slightly different. But on our rigs we can each carry 6 AR mags, a glock 17, and 4 extra pistol mags on the front. On the back we each carry an additional 8 AR mags. Each rig has bladders for up to 3 liters of water which can be quick filled. Each has an IFAK while her rig contains more extensive medical supplies and mine contains the heavier stuff like electronics. Each of us can feesably if not easily/quickly reach 4 of the 8 AR mags off our back for ourselves if we need it. The mags on the back are mostly there for eachother to reload and resupply off of. I have been told the mags on the back are useless and the idea of carrying a pistol on a chest rig is also useless. I just find the idea to be able to reach into my closet grab the rig throw it on, grab my rifle and run and be out of the house in under 60 sec appealing even though its likely we would have more time. What is the interwebs opinion?

[@lib556]

In the late 90s we (Canadian infantry) were shown a new load bearing vest that we were about to be issued. All pouches were sewn in position and it was not modify-able. We criticized it for only having 4 mag pouches. The rep from HQ sputtered about that being all we needed. Afterall, your EIS (eqpt issue scale) was only 5 mags. We jumped on him verbally and pointed out that this was for peacetime... war was different. We cited examples (as you do at the end of the video). I read an account of Australian soldiers in Vietnam who had back packs with additional mags that, when added to their belt kit, would total 20... and these were steel FAL mags with 7.62 rds in them! By the time I overcame some medical issues and did my first deployment to Afghanistan, we'd been there for 8 yrs. Luckily we'd learned some valuable lessons. Despite just being there in a staff weenie capacity, I was still issued 10 mags and 300 rds of ammo... standard for every soldier on the deployment - regardless of their job. Of course the LBV I had still only had 4 mag pouches... can't have everything...

[@matthewcharles5867]

Still the same most Australians will still carry as much ammo as possible regardless of what some of our directives are.

[@kutter_ttl6786]

And that vest with only 4 mag pouches is still the issued tac vest today (they tell you to use the side pouches, but it's not really ideal). Now you see a lot of guys just pay out of pocket for their own vest/plate carrier/chest harness to make up for shortcomings in our kit.

[@lib556]

@@kutter_ttl6786 My second time to Afg I had bought (from CP Gear) 2, 2xmag envelope-style mag holders that wedge behind the basic pouch on one side and the water bottle on the other. This, with the one on the rifle, would provide 9 mags fairly handy. This kept the basic pouch relatively free for other needed items. Mag storage for the Browning was another issue...

[@drd1924]

5 mags, DURING PEACETIME!!! (Valid Point Made)

[@TacticalMetalhead]

Suppression is hell of a lot more than "just shooting". It's limiting enemy movement, and providing potential casualties on target. If you can pin the enemy, you can advance or retreat. To do so, you need ammo. My community teaches and practices infantry skills through Arma 3. Super useful tool

[@tony7106]

Coors LIght Tactics lol, I'm down for these lessons any day.

[@GodGunsGills]

Facts

[@sokyoutdoors588]

Make it real interesting and make it 80 proof fifths!!!

[@Variable19]

Using beer as a prop speak to me on a spiritual level.....well I guess beer in general does 🤷‍♂

[@EliacimRodriguez]

Imagine you are a Knight, your rifle is a sword, the amount of ammunition you have is the amount of swings you got.

[@KirkHermary]

I'm bringing a red wagon full of magazines with me. This is some excellent information man. The Coors Light visual aids are great, definitely keep them going.

[@ronaldwells4427]

I second all that.

[@DuneRatt]

😂😂😂 you sir, rock!

[@joshuajones6513]

Radio Flyer resupply is actually pretty fucking rad. I like it.

[@KirkHermary]

@joshuajones6513 that's exactly the ol' red wagon I was thinking about as I wrote that.

[@joshuajones6513]

@@KirkHermary I know. We old folks are still out here.

[@DortonFarb]

As a patrol officer, I carried 13 30-round AR mags. One in my M4 carbine, three on the front of my active shooter plate carrier, three more in a velcro shingle to loan out at gun calls, and six more in my patrol bag on the front passenger seat in case any of us needed more ammo from my patrol car.

[@DortonFarb]

@supertrooper7403 Thank you. I love that movie. I should watch it right meow.

[@tubeguy4066]

Bro gonna get his patrol car broken into while he's getting donuts one day

[@alancarter4270]

Good vid and point bro. I carried 16-20 mags and 4 bandoleers in 1980 and 6 canteens, it sucked, but when rounds was flying you forgot about it. We didn't have vests, just our LBE We reported back to company or Div 😊

[@cappyjack3070]

Panama?

[@thomasrfoster4503]

@@cappyjack3070 I'm scratching my head

[@SyntaxError0287]

no body armor worn on that era right?

[@thomasrfoster4503]

@@SyntaxError0287 flack jackets

[@dalegnodle]

Thanks for the eye opener!

[@eugeniogibson172]

You are RIGHT! I have previous military experience, and I agree with you that AMMO is the most important thing.

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

FACTS bro, on point and great examples. Minimum combat load I had in the Army was 8 (7 on rig and 1 in the gun) with at least 3 or more in my patrol bag (on top of all my 40mm ammo and an extra nutsack for the SAW gunner, and then more in our Humvees), in Contracting we also run a minimum of 8 (same deal) and a metric shitton more in our vehicles and get home bags (very reliant on that per the nature of the work). Just on my personal Chest Rig, it can hold 8 to 10 AR Mags (if I'm not carrying a radio and other bits and bobs, then +1 in the gun be that a drum, 40 rounder or coupled mags, whatever) and have a minimum of 3 to 5 or more mags in my day patrol bag. Same deal for LBE's, should be no less than 8 on the rig and 1 in the gun along with whatever else you have with you to carry some more. That's a base minimum standard everyone should have/ attain.

[@theGhostofRoberttheBruce]

8 mags on rig + 1 in the gun and exactly enough ammo in the pack to reload all primary mags once, some of said ammo usually in spare mags for emergency use or a quick refit.

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

@@theGhostofRoberttheBruce Yeah pretty much in any configuration thereof, if you wanna carry 8-10 more loaded mags in your day/ patrol pack too, do it, whatever works and fills the need of a proper combat load plus.

[@User78813]

At that point just quit the damn war. Sheesh. How are your knees and back?

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

@@User78813 Ahhh no these are practical TTP's for adequate operational load capacity. There is a difference to a combat/ patrol load and a sustainment load (with a large Rucksack). Operational practices are to stage your sustainment load once at your established PB/ OP/ COP/ whatever and then regulate equipment for priority only for patrol load, so you're shedding weight and staying as light as possible while having what you need with you. A combat/ patrol load is nothing compared to a full sustainment load moving on foot, your knees and back should not be hurting at all with a patrol load.

[@randallkaeser]

As much as you can carry- then take everything the dead guys had. ♾️ ammo cheat code.

[@mikelang6764]

Excellent vid. I'm ex-Navy, no ground experience, so stuff like this from guys like you .... is gold ....Thanks!!

[@Bsquared1972]

Great video. As a former USAF guy this was never something we really spoke about, we were more about base defense, where all the ammo is. My thought processes are shifting, thanks for the heads-up.

[@thefancytiefling]

You should be carrying enough ammo and water on you to fight an estimated enemy three times as strong as what you anticipate fighting. If you think you're going to need 140 rounds to deal with enemy contact. You should be carrying triple that.

[@ghostofcpast8893]

I'm a precision rifle shooter and I agree.... I want as much as I can push pull and drag .....ammo ammo ammo and more

[@edmarcotte160]

My son was stationed with a guy who carried a ridiculous number of mags. Anytime he was asked about it, he would answer " I was at Mogadishu" . If you don't understand read the book " Blackhawk Down." Not the movie.

[@2heavyb517]

Thank you for keeping things real & the Coors light tactics work for me. I was a maintainer on Navy jets so I started from scratch in the personal kinetics field . The Marines I have had an opportunity to ask about this subject agree with you whole heartedly. If you think you have enough your wrong.

[@deangullberry5148]

Fighting getting old, Finally got a clean bill if health for my heart Recovering from knee and spine injury. I realize I probably won't be able to do a 500 round loadout again, but I want at least 10 mags minimum.

[@alexanderschooler579]

My thought process has always been exactly as you said, I don’t have belt feds, Carl g’s, overwatch, a drone over head or air support… I need to be able to lay down as much firepower as possible.

[@Maatdrummer1]

It has been 31 years since Mogadishu. They had helicopter back up, and got shit beat out of them when they ran out of water and ammo. They were Rangers and Delta.

[@alphabears6342]

The SOF guys probably stole that idea from the guerrillas and insurgents. During the Vietnam war, the Vietcong went with three mags plus one in their riffle. They were light on their feet and they were not there to sustain a firefight but to hit the enemy from an ambush and disappear back in the jungle. That is why they carried only a limited amount of magazines. In this country if a war breakout, insurgents and guerrillas would be better using that tactic. Shoot at the enemy and disappear.

[@drd1924]

Agreed, as we dont have air support to drop us off more ammo

[@jamesr792]

Civilian here. I have a few rigs for different purposes. A chest rig with four mags and medical staged with my HD rifle, a couple of larger chest rigs for general purpose use, plate carrier+battle belt, PLCE webbing for a get home rig, an ‘83 pattern South African battle jacket that holds ten mags and a gallon of water and medical without even trying, and a few other options. Pretty sure I’m not going to not make it for want of gear or ammo….. Now to get that cardio up…..

[@jamesb2651]

Iraq 05-06, US Army MP unit doing vehicle escorts. We never left with less than 7 mags a person and even more in the vehicles. That isn’t even talking about what we had for the M2, M240B, and M249!. When it came down to suppressive fire while on the move in a vehicle, M2 first (or M4 first depending on target location), M4 second then swapped with a rifle from someone below (while they reloaded the empty rifle), then M240B third, back to M4 again if needed, then M249 fourth with another M4 swap if needed. We never really had time to reload the M2, M240B, or M249 nor would we want to expose ourselves during a gun fight while in the turret. If we were stopped and dismounted, it was let all loose to get back to the vehicles and bug out while gunners did the above explained process. So yes, I completely agree that you can’t have too much ammo (or water). Though I do understand carrying it gets tiring. Luckily we had vehicles in my unit.

[@johntoothman4888]

I'm low on ammo is the last thing you want to hear in a firefight.

[@johntoothman4888]

@sauliluolajan-mikkola620 That will never happen

[@patriotpro6891]

And you don’t ever want to hear “Fix Bayonets”.

[@CurrentlyBlazed]

I will always carry a full 8 mags. I even carry extra mags in a bag for my EDC pistol. In 2005 in Baghdad while my unit was helping put up barriers for polling sites so the Iraqis could vote, my Bradalac driver hit some concrete and got us stuck right in the middle of a round about off a major msr(I don't remember the msr) It was 3AM and all the pog's we had been escorting just moshed home, and the other Squads and Bradalacs went back to get the tow dudes. I don't remember how long it took for them to get back, but when they got back to us we had blown through just about all our ammo. I had maybe 10 rounds left, we had only 7 rounds left for the SAW.... Everybody was down to less than half a mag And that's JUST from firing warning shots at everybody to not come fuckin near us

[@jamesjl334]

This guy puts all the tacticool nerds to shame. Tells it like it is, which is what my grandfather said about combat in WW2. He emphasized that him and his men carried as much ammo as humanly possible. Back then as he explained, there was always an ammo bearer who's only job was to run around and make sure that everyone had a steady flow of ammunition and grenades. Whoever ran out of ammo first would lose the fight, is what he always said. He fought in France, Italy and Africa and some how made it back alive.

[@Furzkampfbomber]

German here. I never served in the army or anything like that, I am a complete layman when it comes to guns, tactics etc. and even I understand the importance of ammo. And any comment in the direction of 'just aim properly' seems absolutely, totally and completely stupid to me. By the way, one of my grandfathers served as a pioneer in the 6th Army and went all the way through Poland and the USSR to Stalingrad and then, as far as I know, quite a bit of the way back. He was one of the last soldiers escaping the closing cauldron, because his commanding officer loved his men more than the 'Führer' - apparently he 'misread' an order in a way that allowed him to remove the complete platoon (I guess? The german word is 'Zug', which meant up to 60 soldiers) from the line of battle, 'acquired' some trucks in order to 'get material' and then was smart enough to put his small convoy directly behind a transport of wounded soldiers on the last open road. I am quite sure I would not be here, writing this comment, without this man, because although they were _still_ deep in Russia and deep in the s...now, they at least had a better chance of survival than those poor bastards in the cauldron. I mean, even if they did not get killed im combat, starved or froze to death, from 110.000 soldiers who were taken prisoner of war, less than 6.000 came back from Siberia. He later got badly wounded and then got redeployed to France, Normandy, where he went into war captivity. Damn, imagine, there is even a possibility that your grandfather captured mine. By the way, as far as I was told by my father, my grandfather had not one good word left for General Paulus. Sorry for this wall of text and thanks for your patience and interest in case you've made is this far, but I thought I share that story.

[@jamesjl334]

@@Furzkampfbomber It's all good man. I also had family fighting with Germany and the Axis powers. At the time, my family consisted of American immigrants, Croatians and Italians. Members of each nationality took part in WW2, so they were everywhere. I don't know much about other sides of my family other than those in the States, but I do know that I had family fighting in the 13th Waffen Mountain Division(1st Croation), which was composed of many different nationalities. Anything is possible my friend. My Grandfather who was in the US army had many roles during WW2. He was a scout in an M8 Greyhound, he was an MP, was part of a mortar platoon and even spent some time as one of General Patton's aids. He even walked his dog for him. Unfortunately though my Grandfather didn't tell me much. It seems like any time he would try, he just couldn't even speak. He met his wife in Europe who was in the Women's Army Core of medics. They came back home after the war and she died young at the age of 32 and I never met her.

[@Furzkampfbomber]

@@jamesjl334My grandfather was the same, he did not speak much about the war, which both of our grandfathers have in common with many, if not most war veterans. I guess even talking about the war in general or about positive things (like the comradry or funny stories, which happen even in war, woke sleeping dogs in form of so many really bad memories. And I mean, holy crap, that war was terrible even in comparison to other wars, but there were events that were... even more gruesome than that war was in general. Names like Montecasino, Nanking, Omaha Beach invoke especially bad collective memories and Stalingrad surely is amongst them. And its quite interesting to hear about that bit of your family history and how parts of your family were practically everywhere and even fought on _both_ sides. Which shows once more how insane this war was. And I know about that dividion, it's name was 'Handschar', apparently named after (I had to look the english word up) a traditional persian curved dagger. May I ask if at least parts of your family are or were muslim? I am asking because the 1rst Croatian was a (mostly) muslim SS division. It's full name was 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS, so it was a specialised division of the Waffen SS. This is by no means meant judgmental in any way, shape or form, I know the Waffen SS had a horrifying reputation in general for a reason, but SS soldier was not SS soldier, there were huge differences between different divisions, bataillons etc. and between single soldiers - it's just that I am a bit of a history buff and I am especially interested in military history, so this is just quite the amazing and interesting historical tidbit for me. My dad is a doctor and two decades ago, it turned out that in my city quite a lot of WW2 vets were stll alive (and many of them my dads patients, that's why I know this) and even more surprising, really _a lot_ of them were veterans who fought in Africa under Rommel. They had really interesting stories to tell and your story falls into the same category. Which, by the way is also true for what you've told about that family member of yours that walked Pattons dog. Alright, I guess I should stop here, this already is quite the wall of text, but this conversation and what you have to tell is just too interesting!

[@jamesjl334]

@@Furzkampfbomber They were Christian and it's all good. War brings out the worst in people as we all know. Atrocities were committed by all units I'm sure. I've personally seen people killed in real life and have had bullets come my way as well, though I do not believe I was the actual target. I grew up in what you might call a bad place. Your stories are very interesting as well and I always love reading about family history. I wish we could learn more, but unfortunately it's just not possible. For example, my Grandmother had close to twenty siblings during the great depression. Their family was too poor to provide for all of them, so many were sent to go work on farms. In the States at least and during the depression, Fathers and Mothers would send their children away to farms where the children would work basically as slaves. They would be provided food and shelter in return for 12 hour or more days in the sun, picking fruit and harvesting other crops by hand. When the depression was over, many of them returned home. Fast Forward to WW2, mostly if not all of them were drafted or enlisted in the Armed services. From what I've been told, none of them made it home. Only my Grandmother, which met my Grandfather over in Europe. I know almost nothing about these ancestors. Most of what I know is about my grandfather. One of the few stories he told me didn't involve any death or destruction. A unit needed Mortar men. They had him load a fire one round. He hit the target dead on and blew it up. They said to him, "you're hired!" The worst story he ever told me was when he had a few drinks in him. And let me be clear that he never drank. He told me how a handful of men in his unit were sleeping and a Sherman tank drove over them and killed them. One event like that is enough to screw some one up for life. Imagine living it for 2-5 years. One fucked up situation after another. A person will never heal.

[@eagleriver900]

I am a veteran of a thousand pyschic wars.. for real.. great channel thanks grunt

[@wacojones8062]

A Marine friend of mine always carried 12 magazines Minimum. Also a 19-pound sniper rifle and ammo for it. He served in both Gulf wars and earlier he was head instructor at the USMC Scout Sniper school. His students were getting kills out past 1.000 meters in the first gulf war. Second Gulf War he was the Top NCO in the lead element of Task Force Tarawa the commander went on the first Mission out 34 the rest of time he stayed back coordinating resupply and planning the next mission.

[@RedDawnReadiness]

As a civilian you will have zero support… I just say have multiple load outs for different things… have a bandolier and honestly you need as much ammo as you can carry…. I think the biggest thing is when is it too much…. Most people with sense get have a lot of it…but when is it too much?

[@BoomerChimichanga]

when you are back on your side of the wire getting chow and some zees

[@jamesr792]

This right here. You shouldn't need twelve mags for home defense. I have a four mag chest rig staged with my HD rifle... But serious SHTF usage? 100%. As much ammo as possible is the way.

[@theGhostofRoberttheBruce]

You need as much ammo as you can realistically physically carry for assaults/raids, ambushes, etc, especially if you're operating as a partisan/guerrilla in a small unit in an asymmetrical fight.

[@RedDawnReadiness]

@@theGhostofRoberttheBruce agreed, only thing is a lot of things will play into how much you can bring.. are you using vehicles or not , how far do you have to go.. how many are in the squad you’re working with.. things like that.. in my mind though the most important things are Ammo then water, some medical, but I guess that’s why I’m a unit some guys carry different amounts of something then others, in your personal preparing you have to do it all and that’s why it can get complicated

[@sheepherder911]

​@RedDawnReadiness it truly is a slow process of stocking and training, stocking and training. Both can pay dividends even without SHTF too which makes the whole prep process easier to stomach as a way to spend stupid amounts of cash.

[@funguy234]

I assume this is why battle rifles are preferred for ambushes, because if you can engage the enemy from a distance beyond their effective range, the amount of ammunition they have becomes less of concern if they're out of reach. Or am I mistaken?

[@drd1924]

Define - Battle Rifle Define - "Out of Reach" considering US Military are trained to engage out to 600 yards with Open Sights using an AR-15/M-16. Its approx 12 foot drop or 2 men height, not hard to compensate for.

[@funguy234]

@@drd1924 A 'battle rifle' is defined as a semi or fully automatic rifle chambered in a full power cartridge like .308 or 30-06. By 'out of reach,' I mean that full-power cartridges generally have more range than intermediate cartridges like .223. I understand that battle rifles are better in environments where engagement distances can exceed the reliable accuracy of .223, such as beyond 800 yards. I’m not an expert in tactics and am just assuming that this extended range could be beneficial when ambushing. Since I know ballistics far better than tactics, I’m unsure if this assumption is correct. If you do know the answer, I would greatly appreciate it.

[@drd1924]

@@funguy234 It is still difficult to answer your question without knowing more specifics of the hypothetical scenario you may be wondering of. Is this a small 4 man team out on a traveling overwatch patrol? or a larger Squad or Platoon sized unit? Which can be broken up into 2 or more teams to provide a second envelopment flanking maneuver from the side, plus another team to provide 360 security while the first team assaults through head on during the Ambush with the primary objective to 'Destroy', not just 'Attack by Fire'? It must also be understood "technically" there are different types of Ambush Here lets for simplicity discuss Hasty vs Deliberate Ambush / and Near vs Far Ambush -Hasty is all of a sudden you come across enemy and have opportunity to Ambush on the fly yet, the AO or territory may be new and unfamiliar to you. -Deliberate is a well planned attack at a predetermined location where you set the odds heavily in your favor, such as going in to capture Bin Laden. 1. In a Hasty Ambush where a small unit suddenly comes upon an enemy when out patroling without being detected, and can provide a surprise attack ALBEIT Having had little time to plan but still have the element of surprise on them, rarely does this type of element have a Designated Marksman or Sniper with them. since it is usually a fairly close range engagement being a NEAR Ambush type with more emphasis put on Domination through superior firepower where only speed and violence dominates (IE: Fully Auto and lots of ammo) The term ambush is a word the media likes to use. They use it to decribe everything except an actual true ambush. If there is equal firing from both sides, it is not much of an ambush, it's more of an engagement Element of Surprise is of the Highest Paramount Importance advance warning of a few seconds may be enough to allow the enemy time and space to escape the ambush and begin maneuvering. ... I would say however depending on the situation you may know you MAY be getting into...Within mission pre-planning That it is often a good idea to designate one of the Team in this unit to be a Designated Marksman and have a Semi-Auto High Power Rifle (.308 or larger) capable of long range engagements mainly due to the fact the Enemy may have another unit themselves placed further out that you may need to reach out and touch. 2. In a Deliberate Ambush where the attack is meticulously planned , rehearsed and prepared for and at a Specific Location allowing enough personnel to have whatever firepower necessary and still have a couple Snipers in the mix to provide another element of protection and insurance I would say - Definite YES to your question 3. If it is a Deliberate Far ambush, Definite Yes, where there is a chance of the enemy to return fire. ---There is also, Point Ambush, Linear Ambush, Area Ambush etc etc An Ambush is more like a Blitz in football where you overrun the enemy quickly with the element of surprise and with much force and violence. So I merely figured it pertinent and relative to only address the few types that I was able to. Although in order to Counter an Ambush, it is good to be informed of the different types and how to plan and carry them out.

[@lyfandeth]

@funguy234 NATO refers to the FAL as a "main battle rifle" never simply as a battle rifle. I don't think the US DOD uses the classification of main battle rifle or battle rifle.

[@jacobhesington6725]

I’ve been running an ELBV kit. 6 mags on the chest, 6 mags on the waist. It also carries 2 quarts of water on the belt and I run a 2 or 5 liter camelback in a backpack. I have been doing some hikes with that weight and it’s very manageable if you train. You could run a slick plate carrier under the kit as well.

[@tommyblackwell3760]

I was a Cav Scout many years ago (pre desert wars), I always carried 1 mag in the weapon and 12 in pouches. Old enough to have been trained by Vietnam guys who taught me that you can never have too much ammo.

[@thomasdwyer7790]

I always make sure to be able to carry a minimum of 10 mags on my chest rig or plate carrier and belt. I keep a 40 rounder in the gun and 6-10 more in my patrol pack

[@AriThecraftydragon]

Thankfully I've never been in a situation where I needed a lot of ammo, but I always knew you needed a lot. If you're ever in a situation where the shtf, and you can't avoid the situation, with the adrenaline that kicks in, you're going to need the ammo.

[@zfodge1]

When hunting with my .308 bolt action I take the box of ammo I opened and 20 to 60 more rounds (pistol rounds included) depending on how long I plan on hiking and where I'm at. North Idaho which has plenty of black bears. Grizzly Bears. Mountain Lions and Wolves. I'd hate to fall, break a leg and only have what's in my rifle and pistol. My back pack for hunting has at least one extra knife also. Plus food, water, socks and the usual. I'd rather carry a heavy pack with to much than not enough.

[@loboloco866]

OUTSTANDING, TOTALLY AGREE you are right.

[@Scot-mc3nd]

Thank you for sharing knowledge im no Rambo I'm a a 55yr old retired rough neck and I'm not able to charge the enemies.. but I am smart enough to know to try to be as prepared as I can with my limited income and know knowledge is very important to a guy like myself. I appreciate you teaching me vital things that will help me stay in the fight longer than I would without knowing

[@regularguy192]

Yazzz ammo, ammo, ammo.. Thanks for your no BS assessment of this. I laugh when guys say they carry a full load out lol.... in the SHTF scenario you need to be carrying at least 10 mags loaded along with rounds on stripper clips in your assault pack to reload them! Enough said and excellent info bro! You are clearly speaking from experience as I and I'm picking up what you are putting down bro!

[@GetMeThere1]

Very nice talk! Thanks for sharing it with us.

[@johnburpi8484]

A thing I would like to add is I see a lot of guys train as if once they take contact they immediately bound to the contact or break contact. The truth is the first thing you should do is immediately seek cover you are not going to last long by thinking you can just immediately start pushing towards contact with out seeking some type of cover. Super important and I feel like way to many ppl train to react and they push or break contact but none of them are actually reacting to contact and rushing to cover immediately.

[@drd1924]

If youre in a fireteam,(Have more than just yourself) it is imperative to instantly return fire to suppress the enemy, while the other half of the team take cover, even if its micro terrain. Get down, get low, get small, whatever the situation allows. However if it is just you, then Yes I would agree to seek/take cover if there is any closeby, say within 15 yards. You can still return fire while taking cover However again, if you have taken fire, and have not been hit yet, and can return fire quickly and accurately, I would opt for statistically taking your chances to instantly return fire and neutralize the threat, anything that significantly alters your targets ability to present a lethal threat...Do It! Speed and violence is what wins. The sooner you can return fire and more violently you can do so (accuracy) the better. Many are taught to instantly return fire because statistically this gives the greatest chances of a teams survival, considering well trained men are usually better marksmen than any enemy (Consider, that if people are taught to take cover first, then everyone will try to take cover and nobody will be returning fire, taking cover kind of comes instinctively while returning fire so the importance of it isnt stressed as much as reacting to contact by returning fire which helps to stop being fired upon, because once the enemy receives fire they usually get their heads down.

[@MartinGarcia-xn8vo]

First time i stumbled upon your video, got a like right off the back just for the coors light!

[@JohnDoe-dv9yl]

I can definitely tell you’ve lived it and learned from it while still learning. New sub here. Stay sharp

[@Ammotax]

Running a taps kit you’ve earned my subscription ❤

[@twinarrowssurvival.2.065]

All the mags and ammo.

[@kj55]

I agree with you 100% I did SWAT in previous life what people don't understand is when you're being shot at all that Hollywood movie stuff goes out the window. You could train all your life and as soon as somebody starts shooting at you you can miss a target extended 10 ft in front of you at point blank range. I've seen it happen and I have done it myself. That's literally why you train for stuff like that

[@Catgat37]

I have a severe panic disorder. I like to train in the middle of a panic attack. That dump of adrenaline and fear is about as close to an actual firefight that I can implement.

[@frozennorth6527]

390, 12 mags in my rig and 1 in the rifle. Plus whatever I toss in my pack.

[@PagePH]

I remember a voice line from the game Left 4 Deaf 2, "...it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it"

[@CoryTrapp]

Two cases where you have too much ammo. You are overboard or on fire.

[@brianreynolds622]

I carried 13 pistol mags. I just got my plate carrier yesterday. My thing is I always overdo it. I got like 20 mags, 30 rounds apiece. I've seen something about one time about the FBI they got outgunned, run out of ammunition and the bad people, whatever. Eliminated all of the FBI agents, I keep telling people during a firefight, which I've never been in one, if you run out of ammunition, you can't go oh hold on for a minute, I have to go get some more. I carry much as like him.I hope the god never needed it