Why You're Wrong About BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE (2016) - A Video Essay

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In this week's video, we take a look at Zack Snyder's BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, in honour of JUSTICE LEAGUE's release.
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"Why did you say that name?"

[@RobyFN2169dtf]

If anyone wants to hear my thoughts on Man of Steel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYjHmnhrgctsp6c

[@AZITHEMLGPRO]

Just did

[@joeypethan5083]

What are your thoughts on the Snyder Cut? You think it exists?

[@adifferentperspectivewithj4458]

Great videos man. If you can, please support my own channel. I've got some stuff on MoS and BvS myself.

[@198866rahul]

I must say ... you are so right about BVS

[@198866rahul]

I must say ... you are so right about BVS

[@youthnando]

Loved both Man of Steel and Batman V Superman. I was dissapointed with Justice League, It didn't even feel like a Snyder film or a sequel to MoS and BvS.

[@evacody1249]

Because they did a tone of reshoots with the other guy.

[@mashane1900]

Delain124 Joss Weeden

[@DanKeatis]

But it will. Soon. When WB #ReleaseTheSnyderCut ;)

[@internetdinosaur8810]

WE'RE FUCKING GETTING IT

[@angel6713]

Snyder cut is coming

[@tommycipriani2254]

*"He uses justice as a mask for revenge".* OMG dude, I love you. That's how I looked at Snyder's Batman. Best Caped Crusader ever.

[@franjes9999]

It was good but it wasn't better than Nolans or Burtons

[@internetdinosaur8810]

@@franjes9999 That's an unfair comparison. There's no "better" or "worse" Batman between Chris, Burton, and Snyder. They all tackle Batman in very different ways.

[@franjes9999]

@@internetdinosaur8810 I mean fair but even just comparing the Batman performances I'd say Keaton or Bale probably sit a bit ahead of Batfleck

[@internetdinosaur8810]

@@franjes9999 Subjective but ayt

[@franjes9999]

@@internetdinosaur8810 yeah it's just my opinion I can see why people may prefer other directors take on the film's. Like you said they're very different

[@1940Rorschach]

Batman realized in that moment what he verbalized in justice league "He is more human than I am" Zack snyder is a genius. That line from JL hit me hard.

[@yayaooo]

That's a scene Joss wrote

[@agaw1845]

@@yayaooo Since Ben Affleck is not chumby in that scene, it is likely a Zack Snyder scene

[@yayaooo]

Naw the entire side plot that makes the parademon go crazy is something Joss whedon added in reshoots

[@agaw1845]

@@yayaooo I know. But some reshoots are mix with original scene. You can't be too sure

[@yayaooo]

That could be a possibility, but remember the reshoots r shot across a considerable amount of time. Ben Affleck looked alright in the hanger scene which was completely reshot compared the opening scenes and Arthur scenes where he was noticably chubbier. And the starting part of the scene is also a reshot scene. It's entirely possible that this scene was assimilated from a Zack's scene

[@TheCaptainnoU]

>First hated this movie. >Watched JL. ??? >Zack Synder, please dont leave DCEU to rot.

[@tritonk1759]

He was the one guy with a plan and WB shat all over it.

[@brianj4201]

TRITON K175 and it was different enough from Marvel to differentiate itself and do something cool in the process.

[@The80sWolf_]

@@brianj4201 And now they are going to "fun" and appealing to haters by making Joker somewhat a Ledger-Joker rehash.

[@brianj4201]

The 80's Wolf that and Shazam and the fact that James Gunn is directing that Suicide Squad reboot.

[@The80sWolf_]

@@brianj4201 I have a bad feeling about that. I like Gunns r-rated stuff he have done, like Slither and Super. But will they even let him go full out violent, or will they just make SS2 into a Guardians copy like they tried to do with SS1?

[@ZakiZaili]

If you watch man of steel followed by Batman vs Superman, it just make sense. It was amazing... those two movie just fit into the theme. But then came justice league, it doesn’t fit at all. I hope they will make another superman movie to complete the trilogy. Justice League can be regard as sidetrack.

[@sidvyas9810]

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[@wildheart3899]

@@sidvyas9810 my mannnnnn!

[@dragonballgenerations603]

i actually wish justice league was alot more like Batman V Superman, for all the backlash that movie got i thought it was really good. Yeah it wasnt a quippy big action set piece the whole movie, it had depth and story.

[@ariklion37]

hahahahaa hahahhaha......hahahahaha jl had depth and story hahahahaa thanks mate you made my day

[@wmmercenary2810]

ariklion 37 thanks for being an MCU Stan!

[@DivvayKhatri]

@@ariklion37 it had more depth than all mcu movies. How about that kid?😂😂😂😂

[@ariklion37]

@@DivvayKhatri hahaha holy shit dude the fan boys in any side are funny as hell go watch joker if you want a good dc movie and probably 90% of mcu movies are better than jl scratch that 90% of all movies are better than jl stop embarassing yourself people

[@DivvayKhatri]

@@ariklion37 who the fuck calls jl a good movie? Wtf are you on about? I never even mentioned that absolute garbage shit show. Bruh you on dugs

[@vixtorocha]

man I'm so mad justice league threw away everything zack snyder was setting up for the next movies

[@nikkoXmercado]

Victor Rocha I think Joss Whedon ruined it.

[@dannielopfull]

If you can't take a bit of tragedy in your movies then its on you, don't blame it on the vision of an amazing director.

[@dannyboyemt]

jgfjgfify I guess you should stick to movies like Ryan Reynolds green lantern and Richard Donner superman movies then, it's right up your alley.

[@treverp4938]

Victor Rocha it didn’t though.You wanted Justice League to be dark? Lol get outa here.

[@vixtorocha]

Trever P just to be consistent

[@Mohamadtheman]

When i first watched bvs Ben Affleck’s batman didn’t feel like a new character to me at all i felt like i was watching him for years because he’s exactly the batman i know and love

[@ITSAULGONE]

Because he truly embodies the Batman from the comics and Animated series.

[@jojo-nr5ir]

@@ITSAULGONE exactly and ppl only use the killing excuse when the other batmen killed too

[@zeeski7454]

Exactly, he's batman unhinged after years of fighting he's lost hope and wants to know his active weren't for nothing, that his parents didn't die for nothing.

[@aidenpierce2482]

Did you not watch the video? He's not exactly the noble and heroic Batman we can all instantly recognize. This Batman suffers severely from PTSD and is a compulsive drinker who is broken at his core Ben's Batman has been consumed by his immense anger that's he developed a strong sense of vindication towards criminality and Superman, as he forgoes his moral code due to countless years of fighting a relentless, yet ultimately futile crusade. Again, this is *not* the Batman we all know and love - this is not a Batman true to the mainline comics. Affleck's Batman is an elseworld take of the caped crusader. He's more so akin to TDKR's incarnation of the character (as Zack took *heavy* inspiration from that fantastic comic).

[@lyghtworkent]

Man of Steel and BvS are my favorite films EVER made. EVER

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

Seriously? Those? Please watch more films.

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

@alexander soelaiman Alright. We have our opinions, I’ve seen these movies, and there are some great things in them, but I also see some bad things in them. I didn’t say they were completely terrible movies, at the level of Batman & Robin, Superman IV or so on, but I could never fathom them being on the same level as the movies you listed, because they are some of the greatest works of film period, and have either simple or complex stories where the directors knew their vision and were able to put time into making whatever they could do matter. For Batman vs Superman in particular, it felt like eight movies jammed into one, and had a Luthor that I saw was trying too hard to be as good as Heath Ledger’s Joker.

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

@alexander soelaiman We can agree to disagree.

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

@alexander soelaiman I disagree with you, but you can think all you want.

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

@Yagami Eren Well I thought, that this movie especially was a giant mess, and had like eight films jammed into one. This is a film that was more focused on setting up so much instead of telling a cohesive story, that sets things up in an intricate way.

[@AlmightyZordos1]

I totally understood the whole Snyder's vision when i first saw the movie. Loved it ! Ultimate cut made me love the movie even more. Not gonna lie.. i watched BvS over 30 times thus far and i never got bored. Same goes for man of steel.

[@johndoe367bell]

I love the bvs ultimate edition.

[@Mohamadtheman]

I’m not sure if i saw the ultimate edition the first time i saw the movie or not but yesterday i saw the ultimate edition and i don’t see any difference from the normal one i get that the ultimate edition is 3 hours but i still didn’t notice the different can you tell what was exactly in the ultimate edition but wasn’t in the normal one ?

[@jthodges4741]

@@Mohamadtheman Basically, all the plot points that didn't make sense are fixed in the Ultimate Edition. That, and Lex's plan is much easier to digest, along with it being hinted at that this is actually Lex Jr, though I prefer it being seen as a modernization of Lex himself. In behind the scenes clips, it states he is based off of Birthright Lex, which its a pretty great adaptation if that's the case The theatrical is a broken mess to me because nothing made sense, but the ultimate edition is a 10/10 for me

[@viceregaldust3191]

I watched it last night. It’s a masterpiece.

[@850gaming2]

@@Mohamadtheman yes there are some plot holes that are covered more in the Ultimate Ed., but honestly if you couldn't read between the lines and use context clues from the theatrical version, you need to expand your movie experiences

[@Mohamadtheman]

@@850gaming2 Nope I don’t need to

[@skatemetrix]

Batman vs Superman had one of the coolest themes going: heroes becoming heroes again. Batman shakes off his darkness. Wonder Woman starts caring for humanity again. If that ain't fist-pumping stuff I don't know what is.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

Her entrance and the formation of the Trinity were the moment my head exploded from far too much awesome

[@humberto2835]

10 years by now, people are going to appreciate this film.

[@bigbrogiant4]

The ideas of this movie are complex and brilliant. Unfortunately, part of the execution really bogs this film down and prevents it from being the master piece it could have been.

[@wmmercenary2810]

bigbrogiant4 what execution?

[@MutantsInDisguise]

Keep lying to yourself. Snyder will keep bitching like a girl.

[@benakinnusi2518]

This movie is already a masterpiece just fucksticks cant understand it

[@HelloThere-yy6lu]

People already appreciate it, that's why we're getting the snyder cut.

[@slamdoodle]

Every act is a political act, one of my favourite quotes

[@sidvyas9810]

maybe he is just a guy trying to do the right thing

[@doofer6863]

Because it’s SO true

[@alishahid6932]

time by time more and more people understanding the film and its characters. One of the best superhero movie it is. loved it.

[@night-seeker666]

It's like Mask of the Phantasm: nobody gave a shit about it, or in the case of BVS outright bashed it, and people are slowly starting to understand it.

[@thevaultfilmgamesreviews8081]

Snyders amazing vision has been ruined by critics and people complaining about this film. Warner Bros bowed to the pressure and because of that justice league wasn’t what it should of been. Its not the deep, philosophical story it should have been. I hate people for doing this.

[@juicegaming2974]

The Vault: Film & Games Reviews it’s because marvel has brainwashed everyone, making them think that’s a “realistic” superhero movie. Smh

[@night-seeker666]

@@juicegaming2974 They're probably (emphasis on probably) the type of people that claim the Adam West Batman TV show ruined Batman.

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

Juicegaming That is totally not the case. People want to watch a good film, and this film was just average. I don’t hate it, I just don’t see it as a masterpiece.

[@gin3868]

It's easy to hate something when everybody else hates it.

[@egrizly]

Gin mob mentality

[@delbaethmidir3533]

It's even easier to praise something that divided audiences and act like you deserve a bloody medal over it.

[@jaredmartin7040]

Gin Some people act like BvS is the worst movie ever,it's far from it

[@gin3868]

Jared Martin the movie would have been great if the execution had been as great, bc it wasn't the movie is too contracted and not easy to follow, it was a good story with bad storytellers telling it in my opinion had the plot been executed differently it would have been better I think

[@iammclovin9064]

Gin the movie was bad. Stop being a little bitch about it.

[@SoLiDuS815]

I for one like the fact that man of steel and bvs felt like a different movie experience than a mcu film.

[@ltothemagain]

Love the movie. Brave choice by Snyder. Having a Batman that isn't Batman anymore and a Superman that isn't Superman yet. The least acceptable versions of the two heroes but the most interesting and realistic.

[@unSelf21]

An excellent breakdown of what I believe to be an absolute masterpiece. Even singling out some of the most important lines. You do really have to pay attention to dialogue in Zack Snyder's movies as lines are so specifically placed to build the character arcs. One of the most important lines wasn't even spoken by any main character. When Clark Kent is investigating in Gotham he strikes up a conversation with two people about the whereabouts of the lady who testified before congress about the desert killings. The man cautions him to leave Gotham or he may be in danger, referring to Batman, and the lady replies "Only people scared of him got reason to be." The incorruptible Batman. Subtle but poignant. This will always be my favorite superhero movie because I "get it". Very disappointed with how things turned out with Justice League. A lot of shady things went down and that's a damn shame. #ReleasetheSnyderCut!!

[@thesmartonesback2650]

OK it wasn't a masterpiece batmans motivation seem like the typical reason bad guys want to get rid of good aliens, and there is nothing they disagree on. You should watch filmento it is a movie channel the video called why bvs failed and civil war successed or smth like that explains this. Also the only thing he doesn't understand is the Martha moment but everything else is point.

[@unSelf21]

@@thesmartonesback2650 Batman and Superman disagree on a lot of things in this movie! Are you kidding me? Their approach on how to help people couldn't be further apart. But their goal is the same. Do you really think Batman would show up to a Congressional hearing? Bwahaha!!! Not a chance. But Superman did because he plays by the rules. Batman does the things that need to get done to cut through the shit and get the job done and that violates civil liberties. Clark brings this up in his conversation with Bruce at Lex's party. Clark sees Batman as a reckless vigilante and Bruce sees Superman as a threat to all mankind. Did you actually watch the movie? But now the Snyder cut has been released and is now my #1 favorite movie ever.

[@VERA-po4gl]

Snyder Cut is on sale now! In HBO Max too. IT WAS AN SPECTACULAR 4 hours MOVIE 😎👏👏👏

[@OwenLikesComics]

*Roby drops mic* Great video man, while there's been plenty of BvS commentary (I am by no means exempt from this), you really crafted an interesting niche in your discussion, and as a fan of the film, I couldn't agree more.

[@jaypeezulieta2146]

"If you have to say 'I am the king', then you are no true king."

[@sidvyas9810]

and then hear me roar in a toilet

[@piccoloatburgerking]

I think the only issues with these films were outside of Snyder's control, those being rushed production and way too many subplots crammed into the film for the sake of expanding the DCEU, and we all know who made all the decisions. The impatient WB, they're the ones that screwed over this film. And don't even get me started on Justice League... Ugh.

[@flux9433]

i see you are a very big fan of DC!

[@veganmikey1]

I love this video so much. It’s been so hard for me to try and convey these things to people, and it’s funny, people make fun of this film for being so dark and grim, but they are the ones too bitter and cynical to see all the good in this film (the ultimate cut).

[@Nickolati]

Batman V. Superman was all about character development. Batman needed an on screen moment to show his brilliance and problem solving abilities so that he could be a believable leader in the Justice League movie. Being skeptical of Superman was completely in Bruce Wayne's character. It was interesting to see Batman actually fighting to kill, as this is something that Batman would not normally do. In his mind Bruce was actually fighting for all of humanity as he was convinced that Superman was the greatest threat Earth had ever faced. He wasn't acting with moral ambiguity. He had absolute conviction. Once he saw the humanity within Superman he quickly changed his mind. They instantly understood and respected each other in that moment. Man of Steel was all about character growth and Superman coming to terms with his powers and abilities. Batman V. Superman was all about Batman coming to term with his place in the world after the arrival of Superman.

[@agaw1845]

To me, this is a Batman movie that feature Superman. The whole movie is driven by Batman as a character

[@clarkkent9009]

So Batman was in moron mode when Superman was fighting Zod, being that at the end the army was even fighting along side with Superman to defeat zod and company.

[@cosmicdream17]

The thing is, Superman feels like a passive character in this movie. He just mopes, broods and acts exasperated. He loses all of his inherent hope completely. I get that the Government was vehemently against him & Luthor was instigating the masses against him, but still, he had no uplifting moments at all. No scenes with levity, or optimism.

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

Apart from Batman, where is the character development? Most of the other characters are very static and don’t learn anything throughout the film. Lex Luthor in this movie is also not intimidating at all. He felt more like Jim Carrey’s Riddler and not the character from the cartoons who is more clever.

[@kartikadewi3270]

@@cosmicdream17 gods among us scene

[@Horror-Man]

Haters of this film also need to watch Twin Perfect's 3 part analysis of BvS.

[@jdbeast]

sifat shams I second this!

[@blaze3976]

You know even when they watch it, they won't have the balls to admit that they were wrong. That's what haters do

[@jorawesummme609]

Blaze were not hater and wrong, we just have lives, feelings, and opinions.

[@mv4770]

A note about the Martha thing. Sups saying the name like Thomas Wayne made Batman realise that he was no better than the guy who mercilessly killed his parents in the gutter. He became the one thing he swore to fight against. Hence the anger.

[@kyoki86]

I think most ppl understood that but they still wanted to hate the film so they disregarded that to make jokes.

[@skysl8099]

About last two weeks ago, someone called me Mental illness fanboy in a KZbin video's comment section just because of what i said. I said yes, MoS and BvS are actually great movies and i can watch again and again without getting bored. Believe me, that wasn't even an argument against him, that was my reply to other person in that section. Great video btw.

[@sidvyas9810]

nolan batman is weak and so silly.....movie was great because of joker and harvey dent plot but batman?...well he needs some cough syrup

[@thepflare6050]

The Snyder Cut is happening! Let’s go! They are releasing the Snyder cut.

[@kimawkinado8993]

Martha to Clark : "People hate what they don't understand.." I love BVS and man of steel.

[@mayotango1317]

You not know DC.

[@night-seeker666]

@@mayotango1317 So, because he likes something you don't he doesn't know DC? Get off your high horse, Eastwood.

[@mayotango1317]

@@night-seeker666 Like many crazy one say that the Fox's X Men are true to the comics.

[@night-seeker666]

@@mayotango1317 When did he ever say this was from the comics? He just likes the movie, get over it. I love Endgame, but if somebody says they didn't like it, I'll be fine with it, as it is THEIR opinion and it doesn't hurt me.

[@jojo-nr5ir]

@@mayotango1317 dont be a bitch lmaooo

[@bemasaberwyn55]

I was watching another BvS vid, where someone actually comments that the MCU is action, spy, comedy, buddy cop films with comic characters . However, Zach Snyder makes cimics brought to life. The REAL comic movies. I find your ideas in that vein

[@zeeski7454]

This is a batman who after years has lost hope. He sees him doing superman being the one good thing he can do after all his years. It's his chance to redeem himself, also to ensure his parents didn't die for nothing. The Martha scene was a ptsd moment for Bruce. Mental illness is something not understood by most people which is why this moment was over a lot of people heads. Isn't it ironic it's Zack Snyder who in his films tackled themes of mental stability

[@mrme4362]

WELL DONE ! Ignore the hate. You're right.

[@alexlee2581]

That’s a terrible mentality you have going there

[@jj56067]

@@alexlee2581 ignoring haters is a bad mentality dumbest comment award goes to 😱

[@jaylemiere7283]

@@alexlee2581 and jay ok well its not a mentality its ignoring the hate people give u so u can have better confidence for yourself im pretty sure u two lack that

[@jaylemiere7283]

@@jj56067 u guys say that because u care about what people say and u take that to say bvs sucks cause other people dislike what a bad mentality

[@jaylemiere7283]

@@jj56067 thats what superman does ignores the hate and still does good vecause he saves what hates him u cant debunk that

[@joeman99983]

Brilliant video! I agree to basically everything you pointed out. I wish I could find more videos like this. So thank you for making this!

[@ziammarino]

I once needed a prop for a short film that I was working on. The cover of the "Book of the Dead", a major plot device, so needless to say it needed to look good. I was incredibly low budget at the time, so I asked my grandfather for help. My grandfather was an incredible artist and painter, gladly obliging. I gave him the instruction to "Draw a face on the cover". My grandfather gave me back the book a week later, with a design on it that looked nothing like a face, with seven eyes and dark spirals. Although I didn't tell him, I was disappointed... But I naturally grew to love it. Zach Snyder reminds me of my grandfather nearly every time I watch Batman vs. Superman, because it is Snyder's vision of what he wants Batman and Superman to be. He doesn't fully understand the comics (like Burton and Nolan), so he took a wildly creative route and made it his own. He took incredibly strange liberties with the medium to benefit the story, even if it didn't fit the characters established in the comics whatsoever. He is an artist who can't help but stray, who doesn't want to fit the norm perfectly. With all of this meme-ing of BvS, we forget that Snyder is a professional, who, in my opinion from watching these films, actually gave a shit in making them, and that deserves some sort of credit. The problem with these films is that corporate bloodhounds wanted this trilogy to kick off an expanded universe, so the expectations from the audience were raised exponentially. A revision that would not only make THE DEFINITIVE versions of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, but would accomplish what the Marvel films set up with 20 movies in just 3. Think about it... If the Nolan Batman saga was going to "kick off a cinematic universe", it wouldn't work either, and in fact, the 89 Batman (in which Batman kills far more directly than in BvS) would have worked better. If DC just realized that they thrive with bold and brave artistically talented directors (like Burton, Nolan and yes, Snyder) they could have made a separated, isolated, almost else-world trilogy that would have made quite the mark, just as the Nolan and Burton series have. Hell, if the planet never heard of "Bat-man" or "Super-Man", this film would have been a billion times more understood. It wouldn't have accumulated a hype train that was far too monstrous to stop. It wouldn't have had to compete with an already incredibly successful cinematic universe. It wouldn't have to pay so much respect to the source material as people expect from superhero films. In that parallel world, Snyder would have made good movies, hell, probably great movies. And in a time where superhero films being uncreative and unimaginative sells hard, and creative and imaginative films get royally shit on, I'm worried as to what this means for the future of DC.

[@semorebutts5215]

You called it word for word dude. Snyder also said at a recent fan meetup that while his intention with Watchmen was to deconstruct superhero’s in general BvS was also meant to deconstruct the very characters.

[@The80sWolf_]

Awesome!

[@lukebickner6013]

1,4k people don't appreciate othee people's opinions.

[@ruthlesssavagehatred6428]

This is a really good video. It makes me sad that Snyder didn't get to finish his vision for DC movies

[@night-seeker666]

Good news! (Which you probably already know) He's releasing his version of Justice League!

[@bupemwenya9794]

Lex Luthor: The Snyder Cut is coming😂🔥

[@questman7799]

Now that I think about it, Snyder gave Batman the one thing that Batman has wanted the most- to not let anyone else feel the pain of their parents' death.

[@warriorforgod996]

This movie didn't upset audiences it upset critics. Audiences thought this movie was okay, critics hated it. And no Batman isn't the villain, he is an anti hero. Great video btw your absolutely correct this has inspired me to make my own analysis on the character.

[@NolanDean]

This is fantastic mate, it's incredible to see how far you've come since I first saw your Spider-Man video. I completely echo your sentiments. This movie wasn't afraid to break trope and show us that in our world, superheroes wouldn't save us, but remembering the values that superheroes teach us is what propels Batman's arc in this movie. I can't wait to see you hit a million subs mate, you're definitely getting there.

[@ghrimsaad]

Nolan Dean The themes in BvS are interesting and everything but my god the execution is awful.Why does Lex hate supes , how does Lex do anything with the Space Ship,why does Bats decide to have a 1v1 in an open area when he could easily try to ambush supes since Martha​ got kidnapped w/o ticking of supes,why is Lex trying to scare criminals by killing those with the bat stamp,why does supes think bats is responsible for the deaths of the criminals,why show us the failed robbery of the kryptonite but not the successful one(and why have 2 in the first place).These thing don't matter much when you're trying to be a light hearted comedy,but if you wanna be dark and smart you gotta make sense.

[@tolstoy8124]

+ ghrimsaad This movie does have some flaws, but none of them have to do with any of what you have listed. Almost all of the answers to your questions are in the film. 1. Lex's motivation? Were you sleeping when Lex literally explained his disdain for gods. "If god is all powerful, he isn't all good" & "If God is all good he isn't all powerful". Those lines are one of the most philosphical lines I have ever heard to be honest. 2. One reason would be that. The kryptonian ship recogonized Zod's body. He was in with Lex. Again, this is rather a minor detail. 3.I don't even understand what you are on about with "1 v 1" thing. This doesn't even make any sense. 4.To get superman and batman to square off. Superman was the happy good good guy. Batman was the good bad type of guy. Please watch the film, the extended. 5. Seriously? You didn't hear the lines about Bats condemning the people to die or anything in the news and through alfred? 6. In regards to the robbery: This is not even a valid criticism. This is upto the director and personal biases. 7. Yeah..like literally every shitty films Marvel has shitted out recently. Mark my words, marvel is gonna get shittier and shittier. The superhero franchise will die like the westerns. Why because its the same shit, same tone, nothing different, all mediocre films. This is meant to be a comic book movie. Ask yourself, if you were to translate raganrok and BvS into two different comic book, which one will read and feel like a comic book? Definitely not Raganrok.

[@dc7981]

Nolan Dean Please dont ever become a movie critic

[@NolanDean]

Sure. Why would I want to be anyway?

[@captainamerica6545]

I loved BvS

[@GoodBoy-bh9zi]

this video aged like a fine wine . now this movie has a cult following !!!

[@nazlipazli544]

I absolutely agree. I think people just don't understand DC and their dark approach. I personally love it because it's so deep and thoughtful. Just seeing how Lex Luthor's portrayed shows you that. And I am glad that someone's understood what that whole Martha thing was about. Bruce didn't stop himself because he thought it was cute their mothers had the same name. Bruce stopped because he realised Superman wasn't just Superman. He realised he was Clark Kent. A human being. More human than he'd been. That's what made him stop.

[@ScholarVisual]

Batman V Superman reminds me of what people thought of Dune when it first came out. At the time people felt all Sci Fi epics should be something like Star Wars. And today People think Comic Book movies should be like Marvel Films. But Dune was a dark, cerebral, complex Sci Fi movie just like BVS. The complaints about it remind me about the complaints of BVS. Things like "Its too dark". But now Dune is considered a masterpiece. Time will be a friend to BVS. It was really just ahead of its time.

[@REONEON12]

Alvin Elmore BVS had a lot of good Intention, but poor Execution. A lot of what Roby says here is almost the intentions of the film, but he rarely explains how it was executed. Sure, this batman is interesting and different, oveall a new and very interesting look, but how does that tie-in with Lex's nonsensical plan? Lois lane's dumb subplot? The intentions should not only be analyzed as just intentions, it should always be analyzed with the execution. Some films have the most boring, uninteresting and dumb intentions, but *the way they execute that intention* sometimes become amazing. If you look at the bad intention as just the intention, you leave in your mind a bad film, but if you look at how that bad intention is executed, you will change/not change (depends on *how it is executed*) your view about the film. This is just my opinion tho. I just explained my thoughts on why BVS fails.

[@MrMarkSulla]

FINALLY someone said what i think! Oh god! I already start to think making a video about it, but you have done it perfectly, my friend!

[@dnssvdr]

I loved Batman v Superman. People actually applauded it in the theater the two times I went to see it. But I agree, it’s not for everyone.

[@deanparsons389]

I love this video essay! Batman V Superman is a masterpiece. I loved Batman’s character arc from a violent psychopath hell bent on murdering Superman to a man who walks through the abyss to metaphorically save his mother and become a true hero again.

[@niklasweber2548]

This video finally broke my silence. I have to talk now. So please, people, listen to me at least this one time. The problems with this movie are not the emotionally envolvement of the audience or the overall tone, the overall story, the style, the music, the characters. Burce's ambition towards Superman, Lex Luthors ambition towards both, Clark's position towards political and social actions are all absolutely fine and work perfectly within the overarching story. Even the creation of Doomsday and Supermans sacrifice are fully acceptaple. But the one and only problem this movie has is its plot and execution of those story beats I wrote before. This plot does not work from a logical standpoint. Characters behave in certain situations not according to their personality, just to move this convoluted mess forward - for example. Supermans decision to sacrifice himself from a story standpoint is great and works. From a plot perspective it doesn't. People confuse plot with story very often or think they are one and the same. On the other hand, the audience often gets mislead by their emotions towards a certain STORY moment and so judge and entire movie for good or bad just because they felt something, even if the plot did or did not work in this situation. Think about that. Most of the media we engage today is just built around the manipulation of emotions. And some authors a pretty skilled with this, can even hide the fact that their plot does not work at all. But nobody will think about that, because they felt something. So we got a good story in this case, but it was overshadowed by its very weak and poorly written plot.

[@tylerdunnan5059]

I'm glad someone understands. Good vid man.

[@denisherlock3023]

I love Snyder's vision of Batman

[@1973vanguard]

Here's what another KZbinr said about BVS in a Nutshell: "The Batman in BVS is no longer Batman, and Superman is NOT Superman, yet". What that means is Snyder's vision was intentionally set up this way. He wanted Superman with no experience, raw, and taken from the perspective of the world, and how the world would portray a being capable of destroying the entire planet. Snyder wanted MOS to BECOME Superman in the following sequals. Batman/Bruce Wayne lost everything. His parents, his friends, Robin. Think about that. This is a Broken Batman. BVS was about HIS redemption, and coming back to the Batman we once knew. I highly recommend the ultimate addition.

[@fpaltenhoff86]

I think one thing people forget is that Superman in this film isn’t the Superman we will come to know and love as he is just starting out, so of course there will be people that have trust issues with him. How does one earn trust? By continuing to do the right thing and leading by example. Batman doesn’t see that in Superman until near the end of the film, after Batman realized he was wrong about Superman. We as an audience know that Superman is a good character, but not Batman or others in the film, which is a big reason why the media is portrayed so heavily in this film too

[@The80sWolf_]

Exactly. You understand the movie and the points of it.

[@ProjectExMachina]

I loved it. I think that it would be better if it din't have to tie in directly into Justice League. For general audience there are few problems beside studio involvement. One: Snyder does not make movies. He animates comics. You could screenshot every scene from BvS, paste it into comics panel and it would not look out of place. Two: most people do not want to accept to what level Bruce Wayne is damaged and broken. Neurotic hunt for Superman, extreme violence, abrupt Martha mood swing... Those are all signs of deeply deranged person. It is hard to comprehend what looks like to spend 20 years of fighting crime and loosing that battle, loosing friends, witnessing lowest human desires. "One bad day away from being me". That bad day did happen to Bruce. From Justice League trailers I came to conclusion that Bruce is not as damaged anymore. I can suspend belief for flying aliens with laser eyes and indestructible goddess and what not but if Bruce goes from full on psycho to friendly neighbor Batman in less then 10 years and without heavy medication, well, that's too much for me.

[@Eaudino23]

Great essay. I thoroughly enjoyed your thoughts and I really have fond thoughts for Batman V Superman: Ultimate Cut.

[@onewinter9411]

I never hated BvS. I understand and love it from the first viewing. And I'm glad that people are finally understanding this.

[@wonkothesane8691]

Points I'd like to make: First, the difference between justice and vengeance is often very nuanced, so subtle it causes one to mistake the latter for the former. This is especially true for those stricken by a traumatic incident. When Alfred mentions the feeling of powerlessness in the discussion with Bruce of Superman's seemingly unlimited power, he isn't actually talking about the destruction caused by the battle between Superman and Zod; he's talking about the murder of Bruce's parents. Bruce Wayne was a powerless victim, he has sworn to never be that again. Furthermore, he has trained himself, in a pathologically single-minded effort to never be powerless again. In Bruce Wayne's mind anyone who makes him feel powerless is the same sort of person as the murderer of his parents. He cannot allow this to happen again, he cannot allow this person to exist; this person is the ultimate threat, the enemy of all. Finally, Batman's psychopathy is stalled by the discovery of Superman's mother's name, Martha. Why? Because, for a moment in his mind, Martha Wayne is alive again and he, Bruce Wayne, can save her. No longer powerless, no longer afraid, he can save his mom. Classic psychological transference. However, this is only momentary, the real Bruce Wayne died with his parents; now there is only the Bat-Man; he can never fully reconcile with the tragedy of his parents' murder, it would destroy him. There is no reconciliation, no acceptance, no closure. There is only the Bat-Man.

[@shivamkunal4507]

BvS is a masterpiece! My love for this movie increases exponentially every time i see this movie again and I've watched it like countless time.

[@clarkkent9009]

A Masterpiece? Seriously? The Darknight, Braveheart, Saving Private Ryan are a Masterpeaces. Don't throw that word around on a movie so easy.

[@mahmoudanas6220]

@@clarkkent9009 BVS was a good movie not a masterpiece but was really good

[@westmcgee9320]

Clark Kent I almost agree but there are layers and dialogue in this movie that are incredibly under appreciated. Repeated viewings have also increased my appreciation of it. Maybe I’ll split the difference and say it has masterful moments but I don’t think it’s a complete exaggeration that it is a masterpiece. Lex’s lines with Supes are excellent moments to revisit.

[@clarkkent9009]

@@westmcgee9320 I understand a lot of movies have great moments, but it has to be good or great completely. You not have too watch a movie five times to come to conclusions that it's a great movie or a good one. You should get that impression when you walk out the theater the first time.

[@MatekThe]

@@clarkkent9009 you are totally wrong. Movies that you have a few times to understand are great movies (interstellar, inception, shark island, watchmen etc). Now bvs is in this, i swear everytime i watch the UE its better and better. I couldnt do that on any marvel movie. I watched infinity war once and i dont have the need to watch it again because it gets boring.

[@USSCrazybat]

Fantastic video - and you raise some points that I hadn't considered, including the significance of the costume change from BvS to JL as a visual metaphor for the return of traditional Batman.

[@adangalvan4109]

I think the dark tone was great. We as people want the world to be certain way, we turn our heads and try to ignore things or situations that may not be pleasant to us, this movie doesn't allow us to ignore that and thats why i enjoy this film.

[@darkclaw1462]

I love how Zack took VERY iconic characters in Batman, Superman, and Lex Luthor, and put them in their worst predicaments because in this universe Superman is Dark and can't understand right and wrong, Batman is a killer, and Lex Luthor isn't bald and is very quirky. And yet i still loved BvS The Ultimate Cut because those characters are trying to turn into(or turn back into) the iconic characters in that we know and love in the comics, because after this movie Superman dies and is going to come back and become the bright, hopeful, joyful Superman that we all know and love, Batman stops being a ruthless killer, and Lex Luthor is bald and transforms into that swave, cool, collected businessman that we've seen in the comics. You know what all of that spells to me...Masterpiece #ReleaseTheSnyderCut #ZackSnydersJusticeLeague

[@incognitomode3306]

In a perfect world Batman wouldn't kill, Superman would be loved all over, and lex luthor would be played by Brian Cranston. But the real world isn't perfect.

[@trenttotten7202]

Great video analysis of the film I BvS is the kind of film that expands on the superhero genre for all the reasons you brought up.

[@chriscorley6478]

What DC is about. Much deeper flick and darker chapter than given credit. Ultimate Cut made a difference, and great introduction to Wonder Woman. Nice essay.

[@ectoplasmicentity]

I'm 35 years old married with one kid, I was too busy to be a fanboy of anything. When I saw BvS on the second weekend, I was hooked! I loved it so much my house is all DC and my 5 year old daughter loves DC super hero girls.

[@jearn11]

I think you give audiences too little credit. People don't dislike BvS because it was tragic. The Toby Maguire Spiderman films, the Dark Knight Trilogy, and Logan were all smash hits, more so than their happier counterparts. I might argue that their sadness and darkness actually contributed to that success.

[@IndecisiveJR]

Chad Wilson the Spider-Man trilogy and Dark knight and Logan weren’t complex their great films and are intelligently made but they aren’t complex. The Spider-Man trilogy and dark knight in particular beat you over the head with the message of the overall film I mean how many times was “with great power comes great responsibility” stated in those movies and how many monologues did Tobey speak summing up the moral or lesson the films were trying to teach. As for dark knight how many times does Alfred state the purpose or batman or what it means to be a hero or how he sees the Joker (some men just want to watch the world burn). Logan is great but it’s pretty straight forward for the most part. The only thing that separates it from other films is it’s an ending to Logan’s story, the characters besides X-23 and the other children die, and it’s more of a father daughter story. These films for as great as they are made all their points, dilemmas, and morals abundantly clear and very little is ever subtle with those movies.

[@jearn11]

J-Rich I didn't say anything about complexity. I was contending with the statement towards the end of the video that suggested audiences don't like BvS because of its tragedy. That being said, I think the Dark Knight Trilogy is fantastically and technically complex as a film. But it's not subtle, if that's what you mean. It seems like you're confusing "complexity" with both "subtlety" and "darkness" here.

[@SmedZeppelin]

J-Rich I think there is a difference between subtle themes and projecting a theme onto the movie. The movies you mention might beat you over the head with their messages but at least they are consistent in them. MoS and BvS show signs of trying to hold up an actual point and theme, but they are too inconsistent as to whether or not they actually want to follow through with them for them to really mean anything and run their points home

[@IndecisiveJR]

SmedZeppelin Man of Steel’s theme was the idea that Jor-el saw Superman had the potential to be a symbol of hope and though many people will fall and stumble (Batman and humanity) they will eventually follow you (Justice League). Batman v superman was Batman’s movie for the most part and the story of his redemption as well as humanity’s so while man of Steel in my mind is from the viewpoint of the protagonist or Superman, much of batman v superman is from the viewpoint of batman and humanity and their redemption and the idea that batman, Wonder Woman etc. have the potential to be better than killers and the tragedies that caused them to lose their faith in heroism and the idea humanity isn’t worth it. I’m not seeing the inconsistency? I’m not a dceu fanboy and act like the film doesn’t have its flaws and I do like the mcu as well, but as far as the themes of these movies they are done well (besides Suicide Squad which didn’t have one and Wonder Woman who screwed it up in the third act).

[@darkknightdoctrine]

100% agree. The reason the dark knight trilogy was so successful was because it took a risk of going to dark. And it was great, the character batman in those films were great, joker was great. All because it made sense and the dark sides of the movie made sense. Batman v Superman just got all that stuff wrong in trying to do so. BvS could have been better in that way but failed.

[@mistereveryone1261]

Another great video. Good job man

[@alexgilmour3907]

what i think a lot of people missed about the dead robin in BvS is that it was confirmed that the dead robin was jason todd, who (in the comics) was beaten to death by the joker, then left to die. in the comics, superman was the one to talk batman down from spiralling into deeper violence - the DCEU didn't have that relationship until *after* BvS, so bruce would've become far more violent and angry than he was in the comics, and i think it's a key difference - DCEU batman, before BvS, had no reason to believe in the good in people: he'd only really seen the bad, and had few friends that could help him with his grief.

[@VijSJAAA13]

I don't care what anyone thinks. I loved and really enjoyed this movie. I frankly enjoyed Justice league too. I feel too many people want the new movies to be consistent with that they already know from the comics. And others sit and do the worst of all - compare. You can only truly enjoy a movie when you judge it independently or within its intended arc to understand what ideology is being put ahead and what is the intention of each dialog and action . While i am sad we aren't privileged enough to see Snyder finish his 5-movie arc, I'm glad we got atleast 3 good movies. Though i have been thoroughly enjoying all the other DC movies post the Snyder-era, i wish he could've completed what he started. We could've got some closure.

[@Wr-v1]

I also had same thought in my mind and you conveyed it beautifully

[@ITSAULGONE]

"Martha Won't die tonight" It was more important for Bruce to save Martha Kent rather then Clark because in a way he was training his entire life to save his parents from something that they couldn't be saved from. It was his redemption. And for people who were crying about Batman killing How are our heros supposed to evolve is there not allowed to change?

[@The80sWolf_]

How come those that seem to not understand this movie at all, are always very young? I notice that as a common pattern.

[@raiden_187]

It's a misunderstood masterpiece I love it so much people just hate what they don't understand

[@jaja.]

In my opinion the reason why BVS was not well received was because we could not connect ourselves to the characters. We were introduced to new characters like bruce wayne without any major context of what he is going through. The bruce which we see in the movie who has been batman for several years which lead to his ideas of not believing everyone . Due to his character changes he is now okay with killing people .But we as a audience do not know what those situations are which led the symbol of justice go into a massive killing spree. This is something that captain america civil war beautifully uses to its advantage. We already know what are the motives of cap from previous films like winter soldier. We know why iron man is so in grief about sokovia accords because he was the one who built ultron. But in BVS all we see is an angry old billionaire fighting an alien from space. if u think i am wrong pls correct me.

[@night-seeker666]

I like the way you see it.

[@kartikadewi3270]

kk mm well you are not wrong, that is true. Character development through 10 years. But I personally resonate with Batman and Superman in the DCEU because I don't have a lot of happy lucky fortunes like Iron Man, Captain America,Thor,Spiderman,Hulk,Black Widow,Hawkeye and guardians of the galaxy. I always end up being a horrible person like Batman but then I was saved by someone that I feel Inspired from Superman. TLDR, Your opinion is still not wrong but I personally resonate and connect with these 2 characters in my life.

[@tiredbarber]

Nailed it. This really sums up why I love this movie. Easily one of the more interesting (thought provoking?) superhero films of the last 5 years. You put it better than I ever could. Great work dude.

[@Cyberdine.Systems.Model-101]

The BvS fanedit called Dark Justice proves that there's a great film underneath. Once all the additionally pointless scenes are removed, and the three hour extended cut is reduced to 1.5 hrs, it's fantastic.

[@nsprphg]

I actually love the move. So glad to see some put up video on it.

[@The80sWolf_]

BvS can be seen as deep as you want it to be. To me it is a true experience of a live action comic book novel with a ”dark”, realistic Nolan:verse meeting scifi. Snyder makes visual storytelling as a art.

[@christhegendersloth2901]

I don't get peoples hate for Batfleck. This isn't the normal Batman we're used to. This is a broken man, one who's failed. This is even more evident from a cut arc in JL where Bruce wanted to die.

For those who are saying that it's not the audience because The Dark Knight trilogy is still beloved and yet it's dark: I think the audience just hates Snyder, between Watchmen, MoS, and BvS that are all hated when they actually have heroes that can speak without sounding ridiculous compared to the Dark Knight.

[@amfcapone]

I loved this movie. "if we there is even a 1% chance he is our enemy we must take it as a certainty." Batman is correct in that assertion. He is just incorrect, there is a 0% chance that Superman is the enemy. That's the point Batman can't understand at this point. And the Martha point is soooo valid. This is the one flaw in Luther's plan that no-one could have foreseen and accounted for. Who would have connected the fact that both Clark's and Bruce's mothers' names were the same? And that was the trigger for Bruce, something that no-one would have foreseen and accounted for. Genius!

[@thememegamerinc.787]

Yo I am an absolute fanboy for superman and I after all thesd years have come to love man of steel, henry cavills superman, and bens batman, and still hold hope that the dceu can find its stride

[@vikingchad44]

30 minutes in to my first viewing (after everyone had dogged it. 27% on rotten tomatoes. I did not really want to watch it, I just wanted to get it over with) I paused the movie and said to my wife, "I don't understand what everyone hates about this movie." It was the exact Superman story I wanted and thought needed to be told and the exact Batman story I wanted and thought needed to be told. And Wonder Woman was the balance. Ive watched this movie more than any of the Nolan films. I only watch Dark Knight for Heath Ledger's Joker. Thanks for showing BVS some love. Cheers

[@The80sWolf_]

I think 9 out of 10 people I have spoken to IRL have said the same thing "Why do "people" hate this movie?"

[@TheMarine316]

I couldn't agree more, It was clear from the opening moments of BVS that Batman was the true villain of the movie, he fell from a hero to a man who was actively trying to murder another living being in cold blood, when he threw the spear he was realizing how far he fell from the hero he once was and in that moment he realized that he's No better then the thug that killed his parents.

[@lokeshwaran007xlr]

Bvs is a good movie released with wrong time and improper story timing

[@hurdyb1]

Wow as a person that thinks BvS is a C+ movie at best, this was the most enlightening commentary I have seen on the film. You did a better job breaking this down than even Warner Brothers. I like your points about the full circle (or kind of) ride with Batman and what I think is really key and Snyder probably has to be better about this, is that he expects his audiences to know. I really want to put some time aside to watch the movie again (has to be directors cut). I enjoyed the Martha scene as Bruce “comes back to his senses” of sorts but always liked that scene that shows that bond between Supes and Bats. It may not make me like the movie any more but this can make me appreciate the vision better. Thank you.

[@LancesArmorStriking]

I think so many people hated BvS for the same reason I love your video essay on it: its construction. The plot points are disjointed, filled with holes, and the resolution appears thrown in at the last minute, carried out by the wrong person. I get that studio demands within a timeframe and budget can affect a movie, but not to this extent. The main gripe people have with this movie is its internal inconsistency and illogicality.

[@danicoversongs]

You have your valid points. But Batman V Superman received mixed reviews for the same reasons you have mentioned. I might be biased because I have seen more Marvel movies but I also went out to see all DC releases and gave them the chance (I liked the Flash in Justice League but didnt like much the movie). And Batman V Superman might be compelling for some who likes seemingly complex expositions and dark characters but that is not enough to make the movie on par regarding sales and appreciation with Marvel movies. It's a niche movie indeed mostly on the dark and complex side. However, in an already dark and complex world not everyone will be appreciative of something that is also dark and complex as it will reflect back against them making them the viewers think that the movie was boring (I did not find the movie boring but I found it lacking). This is not say that Marvel's light-heartedness (if that's the term for it) is the perfect formula for superhero movies and it's unfair to call the appreciation of their movies as escapism (watching DC can also be a form of escapism) I believe marvel could also use dark and complex tones but they should retain the Marvel way-- to entertain the audiences. Marvel can also be dark and complex and they can do so all while entertaining the audience in both the negative and positive experiences of the human emotions (laugh, cry, get angry and annoyed, amazed i.e. Russo bros and Capt. America Winter soldier.) Remember high school? Majority of the kids didnt wants to be friends with that emo and unexplainable kid except for people just like him. Well that's Batman V Superman. Im sure the emo kid is a good kid but surely not all kids would want to experience emo all day every day as their world is already of suffering-- homework, class work, projects and quizzes etc. I might be wrong tho 😂

[@motherfuckernation]

Thank you for making this video! Your comments are SO on point, if only more people could see that. I absolutely loved the movie, and everyone should admire the bravery Zack had with that film and such iconic characters... It’s not 10/10, but it is a decent 8.

[@motherfuckernation]

@alexander soelaiman respect 👊🏻

[@kartikadewi3270]

@@motherfuckernation in my opinion, BVS UE is 10/10 PERFECT.and It is my favourite movie ever

[@filmpalace2426]

@@kartikadewi3270 It is near perfection, and it's also my favorite movie of all time.

[@kartikadewi3270]

@@filmpalace2426 well, in my opinion, It is a perfect movie 10/10

[@TristanGray]

It would have been an *amazing* movie if they didn't try to shove so many plots in one film. Batman going against superman was more than enough already. I honestly refuse to believe that it was Zack's idea- he is a great director and should know that it just doesn't work, not with so many major plots taking place at once. Regardless- I loved the film despite it's glaring flaws, and the darker setting was definitely my favorite part. Would watch again.

[@barcarolleenjoyer]

Tristan Gray I disagree. Snyder makes amazing visuals, but movies like Sucker Punch demonstrate to me that he values visuals over the actual story, as it is a movie which attempts to juggle multiple dream sequences together (potential for spectacular visuals) but doesn't really succeed.

[@TrenchMan93]

Tristan Gray I find your argument more agreeable, I think wb and Snyder had an idea but it got muddled down in production.

[@jaylemiere7283]

Well it was a man of steel aftershock but the only plot boles there were was doomsday and the justice league that shouldnt have been there

[@jtcob8486]

I agree with you, there's little reason that wonder woman, doomsday, the knightmare and the flash time travel scene is in the films, and the ultimate edition doesn't help by keeping those scenes and adding *ANOTHER* one with the steppenwolf scene. Not to help by the character butchering of Jimmy olsen.

[@odin175lorenz5]

@@barcarolleenjoyer he tells the story with the visuals like in painting in general.

[@TheBeltroy]

This movie is basicly a Donnie Darko superhero movie (in a way), and you can imagine what happen when a general audience, which is a typical superhero movie watchers, watch this movie... Basicly, this is not a movie for them. But for those who understand, i mean understand, the intention of what this movie trying to do will praise it. For me, this is a masterpiece; an idea that is so out of the box to be told about superhero in a realistic world...

[@devawratbamane]

These movies will remain in our hearts and will be the talking point in superhero genres.

[@jirensays6994]

Brother this video touched me on an emotional level. Can I post this on FB if I attach link to your video. You'll get some new audience and views, all hardcore fans

[@alexlee2581]

Don’t bubble yourself with people who only agree with you. That’s gonna lead to some problems eventually

[@jirensays6994]

iamthroby brother really loved this video! And BvS is like my second favorite Superhero movie of all time, so I really want to spread this video! Is it ok if I post this on our Facebook pages with link and courtesy to your channel? We have over 1.5M fans across our pages and if they like this video they'll eventually come over here to this channel and subscribe! This will help you reach a totally new group of audience hopefully! :)

[@alienum77]

I thought this at first too. I could clearly see why Bruce got triggered when he heard the name Martha, glimpsing a chance to avenge his parents' death. The thing is, one can understand something and not feel emotionally engaged. I think that's the key here; Zack doesnt make us care for the characters. I mean... if you wanted people to care just because these poor guys have been through a lot, I guess that makes sense. But most people don't feel for the characters JUST BECAUSE they've experienced tragedy. It takes more than that to build sympathy.

[@weehoo2]

Audiences don’t want a gritty realistic super hero movie? (COUGH COUGH) THE DARK NIGHT (COUGH COUGH) oh sorry, something in my throat

[@spencerriles8159]

Just wanted to say, wonderful job on the analysis. This is the first time I've seen a video defending BvS.I think your points are very clear, concise and correct. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to your next one!

[@carolpulma2734]

The problem is people nowadays are too stupid to watch an actual movie where you have to actually pay attention an think ...

[@WALZ97]

Brilliant video, really sums up how BvS could never be enjoyed by a larger crowd. The film it seems was made for a very specific audience, but who knows, maybe future generations will look back and see the film in a completely different light...or not :/

[@jovieasyrof2017]

Snyder wants to throw these heroes to our world this is so TRUE

[@panthergod]

Superman does NOT lower himself to the world's cynicism.. He inspire humanity through his selflessness. He believes in humanity and his purpose. Snyder man is a self loathing coward ho states Superman was never real. That is NOT Superman. Period.

[@lightninghood7876]

@@panthergod have you ever wondered the why in Superman ideals. Why does he have faith in mankind. The goal Snyder was to create the character's beliefs from the ground up instead of the middle, also when Zack made bvs he says" when Superman does the right thing he tried not to be political, but that is a impossible because it's a political world there was no him being good every action has a reaction" he in man of steel may have chosen to be a hero ,but in bvs the world has not decided if they want him to be that makes him doubt if owns the world anything how would you be like if you were a alien that question your every move at the end Superman sacrifice himself for a world that hated him. Superman ain't about a guy with God like powers that saves the world, he is about morality, about have God like powers and chosing how to use it

[@The80sWolf_]

@@panthergod But the character have to grow, can't just have a complete 100% "Real Superman" before he is not even challenged in a story arc or as a character. Then there is no point in even writing characters, can just have him fly around and save cats from trees and people while fighting the bad guy of the week, never challenged as a character.

[@panthergod]

@@The80sWolf_ growing into heroism is fine.. being a self evident misanthrope who NEVER became an authentic honorable ethical hero with confidence and conviction under Snyder is against everything the character represents at his best