So This Is Why Marvel Is Failing

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[@KingreX32]

What brand is the lapel mic your using?

[@offthedeepend3996]

Marvel never had great movies. They may have been entertaining, but they were never very good.

[@zolod.uchiha5102]

Call this a hot take but imo the fall of MCU started with Endgame outside of Iron Man’s sacrifice the little fight scenes they have and use of mad nostalgia the movie was literally mid and unnecessarily 3 Hours. I know a lot of people love Endgame but man that movie was mid. Marvel both peeked and died with that snap at Infinity War, outside of Spider-Man No Way Home majority of the Films and shows have been mid, bad or ok a best.

[@offthedeepend3996]

@@zolod.uchiha5102 I never cared for Avenger's: Infinity War either. I knew that all of the characters who had perished after the snap were going to come back, especially Spider-man. because Marvel had not finished milking his character yet with more sequels. So, any cathartic tension that moment may have provided was fleeting at best. And Spider-man No Way Home was an awful, and plotless movie.

[@WolverineMRD]

You forgot to mention that Hawkeye appeared in Thor 1

[@donjohnson2758]

The pandemic was a perfect time for them to sit down and plan out for the future. They blew it tbh.

[@egor102]

I have a feeling that the pandemic is gonna be the excuse for alot of crap we have to deal with for some time to come.

[@kaizoisevil]

They should have actually waited till 2023 to release the next movie so we could feel that Endgame time skip.

[@The-Mstr-Pook]

I disagree with is videos viee that it is the quantity that's causing the death of the mcu. it's not quantity it is WOKE DECONSTRUCTION . everything Hollywood is producing at the minute is deconstruction, look at the last Indiana Jones movie.... look at Star Wars the Acolyte. look at phase 4 of the mcu.... Every character has been deconstructed Hulk, Thor, Hawkeye, The Loki deconstruction is horrendous. And what are they put in their places? cartoon cut out non-realistic girl boss females token characters that don't represent any of the qualities of a woman. often the worst qualities in men betrayed as heroic. if you look at Captain Marvel as a character, she's ACTUALLY the VILLAIN. this is what killed: the MCU. Star Trek Star Wars Doctor Who and anything else western entertainment has got to offer. wokeisms "THE MESSAGE" destroyed popular culture.

[@Natta44]

I would say the pandemic made them panic. At the time NO ONE knew what the future of cinema was gonna be or how long it would be until we could all go back. So they pushed the shows 2 fold to account for the loss in movies. It makes sense because there seemed to be a alot of shows lined up compared to movies, as they didn't seem to know which characters would be introduced in movies vs shows. I feel like they threw whatever they could to see what stuck and tried to make guesses on what might work. Like Ms Marvel, She Hulk, Echo, Secret Invasion, they must have thought they'd be all hits. Clearly not. Moonknight was the only new character which seems to work.

[@cankhovich1796]

plandemic*

[@TestTackle]

Yes, Marvel movies always required homework… but I used to enjoy doing that homework. Now it feels like a chore

[@willw3736]

Its not that....its that the movies SUCK and they are WOKE.

[@PhantomViper49]

@@willw3736 then you're just confirming what he's saying. The homework is watching movies to understand new ones. Like you said, the movies now suck so it feels like a chore now. Being woke has definetly been a distraction from making and actual good movie.

[@alexsdiary6410]

I also think it sucks because this homework is paid. Yes sure, before you had to buy dvds or something but now you are constantly linked to Disney+. I don't want to pay for that. I watched Loki, WandaVision, Whatif (first) and then Hawkeye and Loki 2. But its too much trouble to have an ongoing disney subscription to "stay updated"

[@Bbyeli]

@Follow God:God loves you repent it will be worth it God bless you all💕💜♥️❤❤

[@terryy2k435]

It’s that if I wanna watch a newer project that I’m interested in I have to do some homework, and most of the homework just stinks and there’s so much of it, so I’m never going to do it and hence I’m never going to see any newer projects

[@djoneforever]

It's not the quantity, it's the quality that matters.

[@jemmellpyron2527]

Glad they're slowed down a little this year, hopefully they push some 2025 projects back.

[@RussYT-pk8ub]

Ye soo true

[@wilsoncpuGmail]

One reason the quality has dropped is because the quantity is too high.

[@tracystamatakis]

You nailed that!

[@trueLuminus]

Exactly. People keep making that goofy claim about quantity being the problem; meanwhile, TV shows like Supernatural had 15 seasons and people out here STILL asking for more.

[@talhochberg5062]

It's hard to listen to what you say when every 5 seconds there is a footage from a marvel film

[@leonardodealmeida5087]

Muricans

[@DamningTooth1]

Half of the video is comprised of these clips, for real.

[@Ace-ub1ol]

What I’m saying bro 😭

[@miguelandresforerodelgadil3059]

A little annoying maybe, but it's not that hard to keep the narrative line, man I'm here, 1 AM and still could keep it despite my body wanting to sleep (I should) Hate to say it, but it seems shorter attention spans are a very real, very big problem

[@SyahSkyFi]

It's super obnoxious.. needs to be toned down

[@Lem1ngrad]

Bro why is there a fucking movie scene after every fucking line

[@niketton9219]

lmao bro took it personally

[@Ace-ub1ol]

Ikr 😭

[@Ace-ub1ol]

@@niketton9219help what

[@contessa.adella]

Because he effing wanted there to be, and it’s his effing video…..Answered!

[@_MysteryEditor]

@@contessa.adellabro just say fucking its not that hard

[@morrisonscott1139]

Basically, Marvel is failing because they put all of their energy into the Infinity Saga and didn't envision any plans for after, so now they're just winging it.

[@Sorain1]

They could have taken the time to plan out their next major set of moves. To set out to adapt some major arc from the comics yet unmined for content. People would have waited, wanting more and then when they were ready, could have gotten the hype train rolling anew. They did not.

[@GenJuhru]

Losing Black Panther was a big blow, T'challa could've been the next central figure that Disney can dump their politics at and have the side characters deal with the gender politics.

[@agrumpymonkey5800]

@@GenJuhrurumor has that they were trying to replace Chadwick Boseman with the actress after black panther 2

[@Cristian-vm1bg]

nah. they went politics over story. thats the reason.

[@beam5925]

In an alternative universe, it did happen.

[@Futuredynamo]

Hawkeye was also in the first Thor. People seem to forget that. It was more than a cameo, but didn't leave much of an impression.

[@samarthur1847]

Beat me to it 😂

[@erickortiz6806]

They arent good thats the problem. black widow was too late and kind of lame

[@MisterEMystery]

The problem with that first cameo is he was simply called Barton. But yeah, 5 appearances, not just 4 through Endgame. It’s understandable that he would be missed in the list as only nerds like you and I picked up on his character when we saw Thor (I’m assuming you saw Thor before Avengers in the theaters like I did). We knew Barton was Hawkeye’s last name, the casual moviegoer (like my date) didn’t.

[@moooblooom]

I was going to say that

[@themetalchica]

"I'm starting to root for this guy..."

[@wittyroark]

This is the problem with introducing MULTI VERSE. Which plagued CW Flash as well. Once there are 15 different versions of you...audiences stops caring about the character.

[@michaelbruvolt4221]

Bingo!

[@paulmckenna5224]

THIS! When anything and everything is possible and nothing is impossible, there is no challenge. Like playing poker and every card is a wild card. That's only fun once. The multiverse has gotta go!

[@robylopezvi]

Funnily enough, I don’t feel this way at all with Spiderman. The Spider-verse is so good in that despite there being infinite versions of the same character, they all feel distinct, even with the live actions. If something happened to Tom Holland’s Spiderman I wouldn’t just think it’s fine since Andrew Garfield’s Spiderman can just come save the day. But then they (spoilers for Deadpool & Wolverine) quite literally did in the new Deadpool movie which kind of made Logan’s death meaningless to me. Like, oh, infinite universes and they’re basically all Hugh Jackman and they’re all replaceable.

[@alice_agogo]

CW Flash wasn't that good to begin with multi verse or not. Whereas Arrow was excellent TV 📺 at least for the first 2 seasons.

[@exasperated]

Trust me, that's not the reason I stopped caring about CW Flash...

[@ParchedPinemarten]

Too many clips. I can't concentrate on what you're saying because it's being broken up by a random Marvel clip every 5 seconds.

[@-nomi.-]

i thought it would just be a quirky bit for the intro but it never stopped lmao

[@elgato9o]

Just stop being a smooth brain

[@ParchedPinemarten]

@@elgato9o Okay Tiktok brain

[@matthewlawlor4323]

⁠@@elgato9oit is pretty poor editing just talk stop having scenes we’ve seen before

[@anicebitofbreadtomopupthel7144]

Yeah and some aren't even that relevant, it's just like trying to find a clip that's relevant and going "yeah, that will do".

[@GMMesmerize]

This editing style is really... A lot. It feels like on average every 5 seconds you're being interrupted by a Marvel clip chiming in. Is that like an artistic statement about how Marvel dialogue always has quippy banter style dialogue, or is that just your editing style?

[@HAJZX]

"How many MCU montages do you require for this video" Yes

[@AbsolutelyJason]

lol

[@Bbyeli]

@Follow God:God loves you repent it will be worth it God bless you all💕💜♥️❤❤

[@lumosmaxima8709]

Kinda annoying imho

[@DamningTooth1]

This video would’ve been 8 minutes long without the montages.

[@Gnomenamedgrimblegrumble]

It's funny at first but it's just dragging out video length. Personally I couldn't watch the whole thing because it got so incessant and annoying.

[@Latriise]

I agree. The MCU is lacking without the Avengers. And the vague assembling of the "Young Avengers" in the background of various movies and tv shows is not compelling.

[@shadowflame8647]

FR. I've said this before and I still think to this day that they should have waited like 3-4 heck maybe even 5 years before releasing Endgame after Infinity War. Of course that doesn't fix a number of problems people have with the MCU but it sure as hell keeps audiences invested.

[@bitxhcraft]

The thing is, the Young Avengers were always an additional team of heroes in the comics, they never replaced the real Avengers, and at this point we don't even know if that's what they are planning to do. If it is, they would be also butchering the Young Avengers though, because we would be lacking some key characters from that team. In the comics, Wiccan and Speed naturally re-incarnated after their fake selves were killed by Mephisto. But take Kate Bishop, she is already in her 20s, so chronologically, either she will not be part of the Young Avengers, or Wiccan and Speed won't. Also it looks like Ms. Marvel will be part of the Young Avengers (?), if that's where they are going with it. But she is part of the actual Avengers in the comics. It's too confusing, and I don't think they know what they are doing anymore, to be honest.

[@thewolfofwallstreet627]

The concept of the young Avengers is happening way too soon, imo because we never even got west coast avengers first. However, I do think they botched up on the TV shows especially. I think the way they did the TV shows during the first 3 phases was the right way to go. Make the TV shows Canon to the movies to where you throw in casual references here and there like they did with agents of shield and the Netflix marvel shows. But, the movies have zero obligation to ever mention characters and events from the TV shows. This way, it doesn't feel like homework for your audience to keep up with the films while giving hard-core fans the illusion of everything being connected.

[@jemmellpyron2527]

​@@bitxhcraftdefinitely feels like the young avengers will be a team of teens plus young adults.

[@wiinterflowers4277]

@@bitxhcraft It's so weird how they're shoving in the Young Avengers at this point and having it be due to bad writing. The only one that was actually done justice in these awful shows was Kate Bishop. And Hailee Steinfeld's acting sold it for me.

[@knowledgeseeker4614]

I’d say nerfing Black Widow in her own movie was the start.

[@michaelbruvolt4221]

I don't mind a black widow movie but it should have been earlier in Phase 1 or 2. And a Hawkeye movie as well. But these should have been more grounded and less fantastical. Black Widow would have been a great movie if it was grounded on Natasha's upbringing in Russian espionage. Sure maybe they would have had to recast a younger Natasha. Same with Hawkeye. Then maybe we could later get a movie of Hawkeye turning Black Widow to the good side in Budapest

[@Bbyeli]

@Follow God:God loves you repent it will be worth it God bless you all💕💜♥️❤❤

[@aaronleverton4221]

Screwing Johansson with the streaming release wasn't the start of the problem, but it was a strong symptom of the problem that already existed: Disney's money over every other consideration, including whether or not the films would attract an audience and earn Disney that all-important money. The last Marvel movie I watched was No Way Home. The last Lucasfilm movie I watched was Rogue One. It should be mindblowing that hardcore fans have elected not to go see their favourite film series in the cinema. When it has happened to more than one film in the series, it should be job-threatening to the top of the tree. But, apparently the rathaus is too big to care.

[@paulatreides77]

The Black Widow film should have been before Endgame and not after it, and that was really the start of the bad decisions. Her story fell so flat when we knew she was dead already in the main timeline... on top of being not good. Captain Marvel could have and should have been pushed until the next phase with maybe a cameo in Endgame.

[@aaronleverton4221]

@@paulatreides77 Maybe we disagree, but the byplay between the fake parents Rachel Weixz and David Harbour was pretty good.

[@Unhinged_Salmon]

Bro, you're clipping too many short bits from films. It feels almost like watching short form content. Try using them less but making them individually more impactful. You're basically falling into the same pit as Marvel, how ironic.

[@ed95002]

I came here to say the same thing, like 1 clip per phrase is crazy

[@blackguy4us224]

Sometimes people copy other people just so they can get likes I think this is what is happening right here and if you're too slow to watch the video with the clips then you can go watch baby shark

[@MrChihuahualoco]

I feel like the relative success of Agatha All Along, especially when a lot of people said it would flop because it was a show "nobody asked for", shows that there isn't really a problem with quantity but quality. We are bombarded with content, Marvel didn't invent this, but people will always find time and excitement for interesting characters with captivating stories. It seems like they forgot that this was the very thing the MCU was founded on - Iron Man was a relatively unknown superhero, but they cast the right actor and made an awesome movie, and suddenly boom, everyone was interested.

[@theseanwardshow]

Imagine being Kevin feige and having Bob Iger demand that you start spreading yourself thin and make shows for Disney plus. And then you see Bob Iger be interviewed on TV smugly talking about how the TV shows diluted the brand.

[@MrReset94]

What I was thinking re-seeing that interview

[@TiberiusX]

Feige was never a creative powerhouse anyway. Everything greenlit after endgame has been struggling, and that's because he got rid of the creative council they had.

[@watts1841]

Cot damn!! That's just nasty work!

[@TiberiusX]

@@BattleCatsEnthusiast yes, but the decision to produce all of the content came from iger before he left. It takes time to produce a show

[@johnnyt71982]

Feige is just as much, if not more of the problem.

[@michaelreynolds5773]

Yes to everything you said. And two more things: 1) Marvel doesn't know what it believes in. They have no consistent morality, no philosophy. This became shockingly obvious at the end of WandaVision. If you don't know who you are, and what you believe, if you cannot see what is good and what is evil, you cannot create a coherent fictional universe. And 2): metaverses. Metaverses make everything contingent, they drain all jeopardy. This is a huge unforced error. You can care about Loki; you cannot care about a thousand different Lokis.

[@BassBeat66]

I agree. Multiverse of Madness should've been a TEAMUP between Doctor Strange and Wanda (considering how much they team up in the comics) and him possibly trying to get her away from the Darkhold. The movie has no connection to the show other than Wanda found the DH; that's it. I'm also pretty sure that Vision will not feature in Armor Wars, despite being a Stark technology, which would at least make sense before doing VisionQuest (which will probably also ignore anything that happened in WV). The multiverse should've just been confined to Kang; this starting phase should've been getting the West Coast Avengers together, with Kate Bishop taking over for Hawkeye (which would then set her up for Young Avengers). This puts Sam, Rhodey, Wanda, and Vision back together and trying to step into the shoes of the original Avengers.

[@samhutchison9582]

Multiverses work best when used as a playground for static characters. It can be a great way to change external factors on our current characters. How Dr. Strange used it worked even though the story itself did not. It's when they choose to use the multiverse as a way to undo everything that it completely undermines a story and a narrative. It's not that multiverses are bad. It's that Marvel misused them.

[@eddiejohnson4434]

Seeing part one before seeing part two isn’t homework. That’s just how people watch things in a sequence. But being required to watch some show on Disney that is only slightly connected before seeing part 3 is homework.

[@Dargonhuman]

This, exactly. If someone is interested in a particular character, they're more than likely going to start at the first part of that character's story and watch it through, and if they're not interested at all in another character, then they're not going to want to have to watch that character's story just to understand the main character's story. This is an inherent problem in any cross-media storytelling - 343i tried doing the same thing with their Halo games, with only part of the main story being in the actual games and forcing fans to watch their direct-to-streaming movies and read the books to get the full storyline, which many Halo fans complained about being "homework" back then too. Constant crossovers between shows and movies has the same problem - I had many MCU movies get spoiled for me by Agents of SHIELD when they would casually drop references to the most recent theatrical release before the movie was even out of theaters, which brings up another point: figuring out the order of the different story parts to avoid spoilers. How many episodes of Show 1 can I safely watch before I have to watch Movie 13 so the ending of that doesn't get spoiled? How many episodes of Show 2 should I watch before going back to Show 1, and when will either give spoilers for Movie 14?

[@bloodymarvelous4790]

@@Dargonhuman The movies should've stood on their own. I shouldn't be required to watch WandaVision to understand Doctor Strange into the Multiverse of Madness. Like I didn't have to watch Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to understand any of the MCU movies. I understand the need to introduce new characters, and the MCU has always done that, but a lot of it seemed to be focused on finding similarly powered replacements for the characters we lost. Iron Man becomes Ironheart. The Hulk becomes She-Hulk. Black Widow becomes Yelena Belova. Hawkeye becomes Kate Bishop. Black Panther becomes Shuri (though I understand that the tragic loss of Chadwick Boseman forced Marvel's hand there). Some of the series were not bad, or pretty good. Daredevil got drawn into the MCU. WandaVision was an interesting concept. Hawkeye was entertaining. What If... was excellent. But there was a lot of mediocrity there as well. Loki wasn't great. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier had its moments but Zemo and Agent 13 were underdeveloped, not to mention Cap's replacement who just looked goofy in the helmet. Ms Marvel and She-Hulk I couldn't finish. I had stopped caring at that point. Never even started with Loki 2. The movies were a letdown overall. Apart from Spider-Man: No Way Home, there wasn't anything that I'd call good. Shang-Chi was largely forgettable. Black Widow was okay. The Eternals was a convoluted mess, and Doctor Strange was ruined by the Raimi-isms and complete character reversals. Thor: Love and Thunder and Ant-Man Quantumania seemed like unstructured vanity projects for the directors instead of part of the MCU. I have not yet seen The Marvels. There's not a single MCU project I'm looking forward to anymore.

[@May04bwu]

You are not required to watch them. The shows don't matter when it comes to the movies. Stop looking for problems where there are none.

[@Cyberbrak]

Had to quit the video due to the adhd editing, but the topic is interesting to me. I feel like we agree.

[@marvinbanka7592]

Getting rid of the major characters didn't help either.

[@smudge82_]

That is what you call Disney’s GREED. Greed came biting back

[@annien.1727]

😡💢💢You're WRONG!!! That's NOT what you call Disney’s GREED. That's what you call IGER'S GREED. Disney is NOT greedy! Iger is the REAL greedy one here, NOT Disney! Disney is a VICTIM of his greed!

[@dimensionzone8048]

Like all companies?

[@annien.1727]

@smudge82_ 🙄💢💢You're WRONG!!! This ISN'T what you call Disney's "greed" at all!!! This is IGER'S GREED, plain and simple!!! Iger is the REAL greedy one here, NOT Disney! Disney is a VICTIM of Iger's incompetence and greed! Can't you see that?

[@annien.1727]

@smudge82_ Disney is a VICTIM of Iger's incompetence and greed! Iger is the REAL villain here. He's the one ruining everything! But I'm CHANGING all of that.

[@smudge82_]

@@annien.1727 Hahaha. You wish Disney is a good company. Do your homework. READ ARTICLES. Disney is just as evil as other corporate greedy companies. Hahaha. You can get angry all you want but that is not changing the fact that Disney is GREEDY

[@gravityfalls1826]

I think another problem was Covid and the Death of Chadwick, its pretty clear that there were plans for BP to be the main hero, along with DS and SM, for the saga, however, once he died, the plans for future projects were scrapped and they had to scramble to come up with something also. Furthermore, with Covid, we know that it caused the order of the films to be changed and made characters appear less, case in point, originally DS was supposed to appear in WandaVision. Also, a Vision show is not scrapping the barrel, he was been a prominant Avengers character for years, not only in the MCU, but in the comics. He deserves his own show.

[@ElvisMenezes1]

Ya it’s a shame Chadwick could’ve been a great leader going forward

[@vijaytamishra453]

why didnt they just re-cast chadwick? i mean, he littlerly said if he dies he wants another person to play black panther so the character doesnt die

[@gravityfalls1826]

@vijaytamishra453 it could have been a rash decision, as they were all grieving a friend and loved one, and instead of making it feel as though they are replacing him, they do a beautiful send off. Also, a lot of the fans would have been comparing, sure that's likely to happen with any recasting, but they were recasting an actor who died, therefore, it may have felt that it was unjustifiable, and may have possibly turned toxic.

[@egor102]

It was using Wanda as the msheu made her that was scraping the barrel, her comic version was done much better.

[@anakerendoofenshmertz9985]

It feels weird to do a Vision show since he died twice. Wanda also died and his relationship with her was important. Tony Stark created him, yet he also died. There isn't any tie in to any characters, so the project wouldn't go anywhere.

[@ShantyIrishman]

Adding time travel in Endgame and introducing the multiverse ended consequences, makes it hard to care and get attached to the new characters.

[@RocketJr.]

Yeah that time travel in End Game was such a bummer to me, seen time travel and multiverses way before in other super hero series and it's always a mess.

[@amdi8966]

Especially if you’re s t u p I d 😂

[@yoavbenclaudia3073]

And they completely undid all of the character development Steve went through just to have him screw up the timeline by staying in the past. Looks like he let Sharon on, and she has to rebound, I guess. He went through the entire saga moving on, even to the point of becoming less trusting, more secretive, and more of a potty mouth. Nope, undone just so he can break a law of time travel and live in the past. Endgame felt like it was written the same as Age of Ultron (with its forced shipping of Nat and Banner). A disappointing follow up to Infinity War and conclusion to the Infinity Saga.

[@thrilla72]

@@yoavbenclaudia3073 You don't understand it then, it didn't undo anything. It showed what we already knew Steve can not let go, example, Civil War and Winter soldier where Cap risked EVERYTHING in the hope of saving his friend. The ending allowed a nice end of story for Steve without a nerf and there is a theory that the man Peggy married is actually a Steve from another universe, we don't ever see him. He got to live the life that Tony was going to have.

[@michaelbruvolt4221]

100% accurate comment. The multiverse kills storylines. Nothing means anything anymore. A character dies and just exists in another universe. The MCU never had much gravitas. But what little it had, the Multiverse killed it.

[@shinndig1293]

I actually don't think a lot of the projects in phase 4 & 5 feeling like disconnected, aimless, one off stories is entirely a problem cause from a certain perspective you could just view a lot of them as epilogue stories to Avengers: Endgame. I personally think the biggest issue was they were introducing too many brand new characters too fast, and some of them just aren't nearly as interesting, appealing or even well written.

[@TheGhostOfTK]

Imo, it's because they're doing the exact opposite of what fans want, we don't need 100 movies and shows that are mid, we'd be happy with 10 movies that are peak and set a standard

[@DuncanEvans-t7q]

I personally think that once Endgame was over, the general audience, aka non comic or Marvel fans, felt that was the end. The story they'd invested money and time in was over. Even as a comics fan I've only watched No Way Home since. Although I will say I was unhappy with the adaption of Civil War

[@tedmiller1376]

Seriously? The moment I heard they were making it, I was afraid it would suck as bad as the comic. But no, CW the movie was much better. For one thing, we didn't end hating Tony Stark's guts.

[@DuncanEvans-t7q]

@@tedmiller1376 the movie couldn't use the main reason for Cap's resistance from the comic, so it ended up being "your friend killed my daddy" "but he's still my friend"

[@DuncanEvans-t7q]

Also the inclusion of Spider-Man was a terrible PR attempt to say it going to be like the comic to fans

[@tedmiller1376]

@@DuncanEvans-t7q The setup from the comics was no better. I had many problems with it. IRL legislation just never moves that fast, so it seemed like all it took was the merest disagreement for all the heroes to be at each other's throats. In this case, just the fear of what might happen did it. Marvel could have handled it in stages, or even flashed forward a year or two. As it was, the whole thing was a mess that made no sense. Probably because Marvel just wanted that year's crossover begun and finished on the same time scale as any other crossover. The Segovia accords worked much better for me. It started with a disaster, and gave us legislation happening over a period of time as it should. And I also liked how the Panther was given a stake in the matter as well. An international incident was a great way to involve a hero from halfway around the planet. Anyway, "your friend killed my daddy" works. That's why it's a trope that gets used. Tropes aren't automatically a bad thing. It's how they get handled that determines whether they work or not. And it was great for highlighting Bucky's unusual dual role as both victim and perpetrator.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

​@@tedmiller1376The awful thing about the _Civil War_ comic is that Mark Millar thought the audience should agree with Stark and Richards. Apparently banishing people to a prison in the Negative Zone without trial is acceptable to him.

[@timmo971]

People like movies not soap operas. TV was a bad move. Not building character development was a bad move. Just using different coloured wiz bangs for showing magic was a bad move. Losing pure escapism was a bad move. Disney influence is still a bad move.

[@AntiKaiMatic]

how did it lose escapism?

[@videon6134]

@@AntiKaiMatic Because of the politics we use media like the MCU to get away from reality for a minute not to have politics preached at us.

[@Naoto-kun1085]

Wandavision is the only series that actually worked well since they took advantage of the medium for storytelling, it's just a shame that they threw together such a weak ending

[@mrsticky005]

Disagree. People love soap operas. They just don't realize it. Star Wars Game of Thrones The Walking Dead. Breaking Bad The Sopranos These are all soap operas. What makes them soap operas is the focus on family ,drama, and daily life. Star Wars might not seem like a soap opera if you only watch say a new hope but it becomes more clear with the empire strikes back and return of the jedi. The difference with daytime soap operas is that they are daily and naturally that limits the budget and what can be done. It's difficult to get into daytime soap operas because they are often REALLY old and each episode continues the story. we may not think of The Walking Dead as a soap opera because we think it's zombies so survival horror but at a certain point the zombies almost become irrelevant and the real drama is between humans and their families. We see more or less the daily life of Rick Grimes. It's just his life has zombies. Comics are also soap operas. Sure it might be the literal end of the world but hey that's just everyday drama when you're a superhero. Batman is a good example. Sure the Wayne Family is dead but in a sense Gotham is Batman's Dysfunctional Family.

[@PeterDrake]

I think TV wasn't automatically a bad move. I loved WandaVision, liked Falcon and Winter Soldier, and thought Loki was OK. I couldn't even get through any of the other ones. Looking back, I wasn't interested in committing many hours to characters I didn't know. Both shows I liked had two existing known characters at their heart. Having one marginal character (like Hawkeye) wasn't enough. If the new character you're introducing isn't strong enough to carry a movie, then what makes you think they're strong enough to carry a TV show that's three times as long? They should have taken a break with "new content" after Endgame, except for stuff that felt more like an epilogue than a new phase. WandaVision and Falcon and Winter Soldier both felt like characters dealing with what had come before - a completion of the same arc. If they had framed Black Widow as Nat's soul (post Endgame) being asked to justify herself or recount her greatest moment then it wouldn't have felt so disconnected and aimless. If the point was she discovered the importance of family when her "fake family" turned into a real family, and that lead to everything good in her life that came after then it would have had so much more meaning.

[@natsmith303]

Ngl, the constant inserts of Marvel characters commenting on what you're saying is more distracting than engaging. That's something that works in moderation.

[@TheGamerChronicles999]

Ya foreal

[@mohammadmalik7887]

Yeah, it was cute at first, but it quickly wore out its welcome. Hes guilty of the same thing hes talking about.

[@Jay-jb2vr]

It's the other way around

[@gutzz1519]

What do you mean?

[@joet7136]

Agreed.

[@jamescraig3598]

Could not finish this. Sorry, too many cuts. You basically did a Disney.

[@literatinyc]

Tried to watch, gave up after 2 minutes. Too many movie clips slapped in every few seconds. Got annoying VERY quickly. I don’t know why the decision to add all these clips was made.

[@StefunnyStrange]

I remember when the announcement about Wanda Vision, Loki & other Disney+ shows came out that fan hype was at an ALL TIME HIGH. I was SO PUMPED. Boy, was I wrong. A few years later and I haven’t even watched like 3-4 of the latest Marvel Disney+ shows which I NEVER thought I’d say as a Marvel fanatic. I would’ve called you a liar if you told me back then that in 2022 and on, I’d be skipping most Marvel content. I’m a KZbinr too & my channel actually popped off from me posting MCU-related content. Now my channel has transformed into something else because I just don’t care anymore.

[@egor102]

I dont like what they did to Wanda in the msheu so making a tv show based on her wasnt a good idea to begin with imo.

[@00pium_kingvampstan]

@@egor102 Shut up. If you still use the term “msheu” your opinion on Marvel content doesn’t matter.

[@egor102]

@@00pium_kingvampstan That you are triggered over my use of msheu means your opinion means nothing to me.

[@Jogeta5]

@@00pium_kingvampstan The Echo actress accidently used the term MSheU. That's how well-known it is, you're far too late by several years to try and dismiss it.

[@StefunnyStrange]

@@00pium_kingvampstanBut it is the m-she-u now. That couldn’t be more obvious. And I say that as a black woman.

[@mr_0n10n5]

For me, where I started tuning out was at Captain Marvel. New Marvel movies used to retroactively make previous movies better. Captain Marvel was the first movie to retroactively make an older film (Winter Soldier, particularly Nick Fury's eye patch scene) worse. Marvel started yearing itself apart, like Ouroborous

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

No, man. Captain Marvel made nearly all previous MCU movies worse. I think only Black Panther was unaffected.

[@anonymoustroll2432]

Captain Lesbian

[@IAMDEMIURGE]

​@@anonymoustroll2432 lesbian?

[@4ortytoon]

i seriously did not realize were 22 projects in since Endgame! that really explains a lot.

[@elindosphar8445]

2015 to 2019 got many MCU movies and tv shows out (they were on netflix at that time). 13 movies, five tv shows, and probably 10+ seasons in them. This means a lot of content. It's content quality that dropped, not quantity that increased by much. I disagree with the argument about volume, I would agree about drop in quality, in writing I mean, just like some Star Wars shows got badly written.

[@AwkwardAuction]

You’re right, the MCU always required you to do homework, but pre-Endgame, the homework was fun

[@muyiwastephen3444]

You either Die a Hero, Or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain. RDJ: I can do Both!!!!!!!!

[@muyiwastephen3444]

6:53

[@Brandon-dh5rd]

They created such a perfect villain storyline in Thanos, now it’s almost impossible to find a storyline better to bring people back

[@Duomaxwell02M]

Since Kang crashed and burned, the only way now is to make Doctor Doom into the complex anti-villain that we deserve, since the MCU is going towards Secret Wars.

[@Userykp]

I lost it when they showed infinity stones as paper weights 😢 in Loki. All that infinity saga and end game meant nothing 🤷.

[@mattrb8101]

@@Userykp thats not true at all... thats just how tva works. no magic there

[@nz7677]

14:52 From an audience perspective the longest was 3 years. Avengers 2012 Age of Ultron 2015 Civil War 2016 Infinity War 2018 Endgame 2019

[@harrisont2004]

And you could count the first four years of the MCU inception to the first Avengers film.

[@chrisgarver7904]

Hawkeye first appeared in Thor. Agatha is getting her own series because she was such a fan favorite in wandavision

[@colymoli4311]

true. and i dont see a problem in agatha. kathryn haan plays her realy well and i am sure i am not the only one who want to see more of agatha and wanda. she is such a complex character and i like how a hero turned in to a villain becouse of greef. we all can relate to wanda but also know its wrong what she has done. also the story between wanda and agatha is not finished yet, there is still potential.

[@thecorporatelawgroup7093]

Agatha All Along is about witches; not the Agatha Harkness from FF 94 and Marvel. Not much interest here.

[@MontenegroPlus]

Who cares? She is not a relevant character, she never was, and not EVERY single female villain needs redemptions. The actress and the MCU version were great, but more Agatha leads nowhere considering she isn't even well known.

[@AntiKaiMatic]

​@@MontenegroPlusthis isnt about just agatha after the release of wandavision people begged for marvel to explore more of their witchcraft side which is what they are doing and also explaining how the twins are real and bringinf wanda back

[@MontenegroPlus]

@@AntiKaiMatic Not really: Agatha is the last character in their list to know magic, usually that is centered around Dr Strange and not even around Wanda, but if the did were to listen to what people "beg" for, they wouldn't be in the frail state they ave been for quite a while now. There is nothing to adapt about Agatha. And the story of the twins has nothing to do with her. So I guess, the only viable option to believe in, is that they are rebuilding staff on the go in order to make it all about her, just like with Ms Marvel for example, trying to give the Young Avengers to her.

[@rebeccaschade3987]

The MCU has been getting steadily worse since Iron Man. And yes, I do mean, since the first Iron Man movie. Hear me out... That movie, was a fully functional story in its own right. I did not rely on anything else for the story to work. Also, the story would have worked even without super powers. It was simply a well written story, with understandable, even relatable, character motivations. Since it became clear to Marvel that they would be able to expand it into a whole cinematic universe, the stories have become less focused, less functional. Some of the movies are simply "transport" between chapters of the overarching saga, one which unfortunately wasn't all that amazing to begin with. Thanos is a WILDLY overrated badguy, which it does seem like more and more people have been realizing. And the time travel plot was a mess. Marvel didn't begin faltering during the pandemic or with Wandavision. They started faltering when the heads of the studio thought that they had somehow invented a foolproof method to make infinite money. "We finally have the foolproof formula for making a successful movie." Well, no, they didn't. They had a formula that worked for a limited period. And the only reason why it worked for so long, was because it was being carried on the backs of the first batch of movies, and the characters presented in those. They are the only MCU characters that were given proper character development. They are the only ones who got movies good enough to build a proper audience connection. But even that comes to an end eventually. And now that most of those characters are gone, well, there's not much left. Marvel seems to think that it is the names or the "roles" that matter. "Right, if we make somebody new put on the Iron Man suit, then all audience affection will also be transferred to that new character." "If somebody else get's the shield, and is named Captain America, then people will love them just as much as Steve Rogers, because it's not about the character that's had several movies to develop people like, it's just the shield and the name." Well, that isn't at all how it works. Without Steve Rogers, the shield is just a shield. Without Tony Stark, the Iron Man suit is just a mech suit. Neither matters. Marvel Studios never understood this, because they think that the audience are all a bunch of idiots, who needs to be told what to like. Which was actually a thing one of the studio heads were quoted saying. MCU died completely with the death of Tony Stark. It doesn't matter if they bring Robert Downey Jr. back as Victor Von Doom. And it doesn't matter if they decide on doing some sort of lame clone story putting a new actor in as a younger clone of Tony Stark. They need good stories, that develop the characters slowly, over time. They need good character motivations. And they need to simply put in the time and attention to make something good, not simply a huge spectacle for maximum box office.

[@HarveyDent13]

Scarlet Witch is the only hero I liked in Multiverse of Madness. Actually she's the only hero I still like in the current MCU tbh.

[@ElvisMenezes1]

Hopefully they bring her back for more

[@vice2versa]

No Multiverse of Madness completely ruined her character. Michael Waldron is a terrible writer.

[@HarveyDent13]

@@vice2versa No it didn't, she's literally one of the most beloved heroes in the current MCU

[@vice2versa]

@@HarveyDent13 she was, shes not anymore. MCU is nolonger known for quality content. I used to be a major fan but marvel took its audience for granted.

[@lokeshr9794]

She is not a hero anymore. They made her the ruthless villain of all time. Pretended hero but secretly a villain.

[@Keblash]

And they gave their biggest storylines to writers and directors with no credits to their name and activists who actively hated what came before or had no knowledge of the source material at all.

[@GenJuhru]

These are cheap acquisitions(talent/creative), all these woke shit I believe is a cover for their money laundering schemes. These disney shows/films doesn't look as expensive as their declared budget. It's like those poor countries commiting big budget to projects that lead to nowhere.

[@bryangosling2238]

I think Shang-Chi is super under appreciated and underrated and needs to be given more credit and recognition imo, but I also blame marvel for not utilizing that IP outside of the 1st film, hardly any of those characters in that film ever showed up or made an cameo appearance and we are already halfway thru this "multiversal saga" (phases 4-6) and marvel has done nothing, but let it sit and Shang-Chi isn't even a bad character or IP and did really well, but because of "reasons" Shang-Chi doesn't get enough praise as it deserves and is the very last IP imo that marvel dished out amd is good.

[@tassothomas5186]

Shang and the movie was solid, but they did nothing with him. Literally nothing. Disappeared like white Vision.

[@babs3241]

I keep waiting for more Shang-Chi, and instead, we get nonsense like MoM. I honestly had hoped that they'd let the old guys retire, and start a new team with Shang-Chi... kind of the new Tony Stark. Then introduce another in a solo movie, and another, and another, and then do a team-up. But instead...? What is this?

[@meidson12]

I only disagree about Agatha All Along. It was clearly needed since the MCU is becoming more and more magic-driven. It was also a breath of fresh air, with very little CGI and the humane touch that the movies often lack. It reminds me a little of Marvel's time at Netflix. Finally, the show is likely going to result in a movie about the Scarlet Witch and magic in the MCU. However... I do understand your point. I wasn't a fan of the main MCU before Wandavision. I can imagine it must be frustrating since it's so different now.

[@impax2634]

Phase 4 is so disconnected that even its main theme - multiverse - has no established laws of how it works. It works one way in Loki, and completely other way in MoM. And these two were written by the same guy!

[@isaacharvey451]

An old quote from an almost-forgotten animated film comes to mind: "when everyone's super, no one will be." When there are so many 'big releases,' much less in such a short amount of time, at a certain threshold, it can all melt into a sea of background noise.

[@liamdell6319]

I don't think anyone has forgotten The Incredibles.

[@elliotalderson5032]

Literally everyone knows about the incredibles

[@rbiznezz2]

If the shows were good there wouldn’t be complaints. It’s literally a quality and consistency issue. They’re producing bad stuff. When the comics are great, fans don’t complain about quantity as much as trying to figure out how to get everything. When the stuff is bad, no one buys the comics. Same with the films and shows.

[@theanatomyoffilmandcinema]

My take on why they have fallen is that they have focused too much on simply cashing the IP in. I get it’s a business and they have a streaming service, but they have been putting out so much content that seems like it’s sole purpose for existence is not to even tell a compelling story, but rather just exist for a quick buck. I get many people worked hard on these projects - but the studio has been dictating so much of this that I think it is ultimately their fault. Instead of having a massive lineup planned out for the next five years, focus more on one project at a time. Try to make that the best thing you can. Audiences will still see good Marvel movies - Guardians 3 and NWH underscore this. They need to do this consistently. They need to do stuff that is more different and fresh rather than follow the same old template. This is not only for Marvel, but the entire film industry

[@vice2versa]

Exactly this is the number one reason

[@bryangosling2238]

Shang-Chi is heavily slept on and underrated amd would consider that film to be the only "new" entry character in the mcu to date, NWH and GOTGVOL3, X-men 97, deadpool and wolverine, all are continuations that has been set up previously, Shang-Chi, on the other hand, was the only new character that had what was left of creativity from marvel imo, after that, any newcomer hasn't been really good imo

[@DCUOMultiverse]

??? Marvel also produced Agents of Shield..... Daredevil..... Luke Cage...... Iron Fist...... Jessica Jones...... the Defenders...... the Inhumans..... and more. ;)

[@danielgranda896]

Great job man! You hit the nail on the head. Phases 1 - 3 of the MCU achieved a level of continuity in movie making that has never been done before and is likely never to happen again. This was made possible by the guiding hand of Kevin Fiege, a clear destination, and a pace that was realistic to maintain momentum and interest. I agree that phase 4 and 5 has some quality material but it is lost in the rest shit they threw on the wall with it. There is NO “Big Bad.” Even after 20+ series/movies in the “Multiverse Saga” we have no clear picture or destination for this arch. The only destination I can find is the next Avengers movie, which is likely why they brought back RDJ and the Russo Twins to try and keep people on the hook. Great video articulating this! I enjoyed the change of pace with, “Wanda Vision”, “Falcon and Winter Soldier”, “Multiverse of Madness”, and “What-if?.” If those were followed up with “Avengers 5” and the Antagonist for this arc was revealed instead of the potluck of B and C roster super-hero’s we have gotten, they could have built on their proven concept under a completely different narrative. I look forward to your future videos!

[@BeKind-y7x]

Bro please stop adding marvel clips after every goddamn sentence

[@sup2069]

I was going to say the same thing, good lord!

[@cloudstrif]

i dont like seeing his face talking.

[@citysmall3427]

He's out of line but he's right

[@Mad.Dog.Murdoch]

I literally just commented this myself! Agree.

[@Mad.Dog.Murdoch]

​@@citysmall3427😂😂😂

[@LucaBricca]

To me one of the biggest missteps of Marvel was just ending The Scarlet Witch’s storyline with a movie that did a whole disservice to the whole character. Like they could have made a trilogy about her descent into evil and make her one of the best villains/anti heroes of all time but no, just straight up madness. Thing is most of the series were truly unnecessary. Like FATWS? could’ve been cut into a movie, same with Hawkeye and Loki. The only show that actually made sense as a tv show was truly Wandavision but they barely acknowledged it in the various plots

[@MrReset94]

No, Loki worked well as a TV show, as a Movie it would have been confusing and missing a lot of pieces. Also it was a really good show, and the proof is it was beloved by fans.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@MrReset94 Loki was awful, just because a lot of fans loved it doesn't mean it was good, that is an appeal to popularity, and you can do the same for the Transformers movies.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

Her turning into a tragic villain was done very well in WandaVision, then they messed it up in MoM.

[@LucaBricca]

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 true but they should’ve spent more time before having her go totally insane

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

I like Wanda as a villain, but they should've had moments of her in conflict with herself. Green Goblin had it. Doc Ock had it. Wanda was a baddie straight up. The most interesting part of her turn was unlike previous foes, she was one of the heroes. They should've done more with that. Loki is better off as TV show. Its problem was that it kinda sucked.

[@seacrest73]

I have to say that as a casual fan, the reason we stopped watching is a combination of high volume, superhero fatigue, and the dip in quality. All of it. Infinity War just felt like a good ending point.

[@neospock5034]

I think you mean Endgame, but yeah ;)

[@veronicawexel1291]

​​@@neospock5034I actually preferred Infinity War. Felt like shit actually had consequences for once and reversing that just felt a tad bit "oh. why did they make a movie about that other thing, then?" kind of thing. Endgame was a great movie, yeah, but it felt like I could've spent that time watching something else because it felt like in the end, nothing really changed. A few people died/retired but that doesn't really compare to global/galactic consequences of half of all life getting wiped out.

[@neospock5034]

@@veronicawexel1291 I also felt Infinity War was the better of the two movies. Endgame played fast & loose with its own internal logic in order to deliver the big emotional moments. And yeah, consequences were far greater in IW.

[@ViewportPlaythrough]

have to agree.. i consider infinity war as the main ending while endgame is a 50/50 prologue of some sort then everything else after that i dont care anymore. even the three spidies i just watched clips of the part where they hang out together as peters and fight togethers as spidies, besides that, meh. even the deadpool thing is not for me. even rdj coming as doom just felt meh..

[@alexsynthesis]

I wish they stopped with endgame and created a brand new mcu with different heroes and villains. Maybe even have a few omega level threats appear

[@jacobgrantphotography]

I think you hit the nail on the head, bro. You're giving the abominations that are Phase 4 and 5 too much credit, but you're spot on about the issues.

[@sgt_chugganuggz]

Dude it started waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before that, jesus they tried saying black panther was the first black led marvel film ffs, the woke broke it, just like Disney wake up man.

[@olandir]

5:00 "Not that bad" is not exactly a ringing endorsement. Like it doesn't make me want to go. "Oh, it's not that bad? I should go check it out then."

[@AutZentus]

The only things from phases 4 and 5 that are objectively good are spider-man no way home (mainly because it was running on the nostalgia of the previous spider-man movie canons of the past) and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was an alright way of wrapping up the story of a team of galactic misfits with Rocket and Groot being the only ones that stay to carry the new team. Other than that everything else sucks. There has been no real plans with anything after endgame, disney and marvel's agenda to make the MCU go hard on catering to a female audience while pushing out the established male audience that this franchise is targeted at has been stupid as hell because women were already watching the MCU well before they decided to shove captain marvel down everyone's throats convincing us she and her movie was import to understand endgame when it was just a nothing burger, and just not taking the time to slow down with the content and make the quality actually good. Nobody likes having expectations subverted all the damn time. I really hope Deadpool & Wolverine is worth the hype it's getting because it looks promising.

[@bramderacourt9499]

TFatWS was decent until the last few episodes. They completely lost me at " you've gotbto do better".

[@AutZentus]

@@bramderacourt9499 And that part is exactly why the show loses points.

[@ta0paipai]

Not THAT bad. Still not good. And I'm not going out to see "not that bad."

[@ta0paipai]

@@AutZentus D&W will probably be a circus of fan-service, like No Way Home. And like that movie, technically it won't be quality, but it will be entertaining. Maybe not "not that bad" but probably "not that good."

[@batmanwins5701]

Wandavision was awesome! One of my favorite things they've done. Definitely one of the best projects post endgame. The big problem I see with the volume of production is not just the reduced quality but most specially that there was a major lack of communication between the various creators, writers and show runners. With chapeck pushing so much content the biggest factor that had maintained the quality (feige) was stretched too thin to oversee it all. Oh and the dark knight is not a very good movie. Heath Ledger was great, the rest of the movie is a total mess.

[@Trash0815]

I think Moon Knight might be the best, Loki was quite good, I think Wanda Vision suffered from Agatha and trying to insert it in to the rest of the MCU and the Dr. Strange 2 seeming like a different character. It would be much better without that, while Moon Knight seems self contained atm. and is rock solid.

[@MadsterV]

There's all that..... and they also started saying their movies weren't meant for us. So we didn't watch them.

[@NorthstarLNC]

Exactly this^. When one of these streamers attempts to discuss the problem...while intentionally ignoring the elephant in the room because its not politically correct to actually say it out loud.

[@CharlesTremaine]

Marvel has not been the same since Stan Lee passed and Kevin Feige & Disney took over

[@Penfold8]

The reason that the Marvel universe sucks is because Disney. Disney has never successfully created a sci-fi movie with a great story. The only exception to that would be the Black Hole. Disney's writing over the last 15-20 years has been pathetic. Plus, Disney wanted a cash cow so they tried to put out as many movies as fast as possible to try and get as much money as quick as possible. This has shown to be an absolute failure.

[@DarkAkuma]

It started with Captain Marvel. It was not a issue of over saturation. It was specifically because the content quality dropped. Spreading things too thin helped with that quality drop, but a huge part of it was the very forced ideology driving them to change to a disproportionate and inorganic focus on Identity at the cost of quality. Hire a proven quality director that happens to be white? Or one has basically no film history but happens to be female or non-white? They choose the second. Cast comic book accurate actors? Or race and gender swap? They choose the second. Appeal to the existing audience, or alienate them as you chase a audience that does not put their money where their mouth is? Again... the second option.

[@GenJuhru]

Hard selling an unlikable character.

[@Dargonhuman]

@@GenJuhru Yet they turned Iron Man, a character who only existed in the comics to be an unlikable bastard, into one of the most loved characters in the MCU. Same with Loki, same with Hank Pym... It just takes good writing and an understanding of character to turn an unlikable character into a marketable one, which the current crop of writers are apparently incapable of as they've turned beloved characters from the comics like She-Hulk and turned them into thoroughly despised characters.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

It started with Ant-Man and the Wasp, that's the first one that didn't feel like they had a story that they wanted to tell, it was just made to set up the time travel in Endgame.

[@neospock5034]

Captain Marvel was a mid-tier MCU flick, not great and not awful- it had no glaring flaws. However it was one of the most successful solo films.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@neospock5034 Captain Marvel is a bottom-tier MCU flick, most MCU films at least have a main character that has a character. But it was definitely successful, even if it was mostly because of Endgame.

[@jayfiggs4656]

It was also the little sprinkles of each character that they either debut or teased that made this so much interesting. Debuting Nick Fury and teasing The Avengers in Iron Man 1. Debuting Black Widow and teasing Thor in Iron Man 2. Debuting Hawkeye and teasing the plot to The Avengers in Thor. Just carefully pacing each idea until it became the saga that it is today.

[@dr.braxygilkeycruises1460]

Hawkeye has always been my favorite. Too many people forget his first appearance was in the first *THOR* movie.

[@ScarFeiss]

Totally agree. Endgame/WandaVision is when it all went downhill. A lot of fans also ignore the fact that the MCU being a connected universe was not the original plan but instead just happened over time. They could only keep it going strong for so long.

[@ryanandrews321]

MCU should have ended with Endgame. Everyone will always come second to protagonists like Ironman and Antagonists like Thanos afterwards.

[@nicholasbloom1]

i agree to an extent i personlly liked wanda vision doctor strange 2 and no way home

[@redinthesky1]

Phase 3 was the end of an awesome streak of movies, and they followed it up with a lot of trash writing. Its mostly the bad writing

[@Damiancontursi]

I never understood how at that level you can get bad writing. They obviously do it but I don't get it, maybe there are many writers that throw ideas and a head writers that glues everything without having time to give it a second thought? And they don't even have to think the whole thing, they usually have a base on a comic or a tv series or something so it's should be easier and faster to make a good script.

[@KyOty1]

Feige promised that the MCU after Endgame would be completely different, he just failed to mention that the difference would be that the MCU up to Endgame would be mostly awesome, and the era after Endgame would mostly suck. I’m hoping they will rush through the last of the movies in the Multiverse saga so we can maybe get back to making good Marvel films again.

[@anubusx]

I did not like Endgame.

[@owentrooper3499]

Yo man when you’re famous and making revolutionary video essays can you remember me as you’re 355th sub?

[@ElvisMenezes1]

Lol I’m pinning this comment so I see it every time I come back to this video 🤜🤛

[@owentrooper3499]

@@ElvisMenezes1 ty bro u just made my day 👍

[@RobertGithinji-e5u]

​@@owentrooper3499 he ain't pinned you yet

[@owentrooper3499]

@@RobertGithinji-e5u got unpinned sadly lol

[@owentrooper3499]

@@RobertGithinji-e5ugot unpinned sadly

[@ODUBlue]

Deadpool 3 and Spider-Man completely disprove post-Endgame "superhero fatigue." We are tired of garbage and "subverting expectations." The two movies mentioned before had cameos and characters that gave audiences exactly what they wanted, and have been rewarded accordingly.

[@tjsmith5276]

It's telling that Marvel still feels directionless 22 projects into the Multiverse Saga, given Avengers: Endgame was Marvel Studios' 22nd film.

[@TheDeathmail]

Also, it should be noted that as the MCU gets bigger, it's going to be harder and harder to keep up. While up till Endgame, it did feel like homework, it didn't feel like too much homework. You could just watch the 3 phases separately and each one would be done in less than a week without taking too much time... But, just like the comics, once you have too much stuff, it's hard to keep track of it all.....

[@eanderson9599]

WandaVision was a show with questionable ethics, it felt like all the evil characters were treated nicely

[@kendrickturner2143]

I agree but I still love Wanda and I feel bad for what the did to her in MoM

[@robertjames-life4768]

A great example of the old saying- quit while you’re ahead.

[@Damiancontursi]

I think we think that because we see it from the consumer or fan perspective. They just care about money and they are still making millions, I believe they already calculated they could make a few really good movies/tv shows but they just make a bit (or a lot) more by pushing 20 million shows with poor quality (which actually falls into the category of bad publicity is still publicity) since everyone is talking about it because how bad they are and people keep seeing it. It's just capitalism.

[@HarmonicWave]

The constant little interruptions of little movie quote scenes fitting with what you're saying... That must have taken a lot of work but it was so worth it. I was chuckling the whole time.

[@fractalelf7760]

The so-called “Woke” ideology is also part of this problem, flaring also in 2021 starting … they upped content, clearly getting rid of the mainstay characters and promoting replacements no one gives a shit about. So saying it’s a problem of just quality is ignoring the real problems underneath, which is a bunch of characters that suck while crapping on the remainder of the old characters.

[@Uratz]

We don't see KF anymore. Its like he was erased by the TVA.

[@VoltaGhost]

Bro Falcon and Winter Soldier was straight trash...what we wanted was an action comedy but what we got was an action political drama based on modern day politics. They couldn't even come up with something original!

[@bryanmills1638]

Action political drama is being to generous. The main character spent the whole show running away from his responsibilities and trying to be friends with a literal domestic terrorist. The second main character spent the whole show being sad. The main villain is a moron that literally chooses terrorism over getting a job and the secondary "villain" spends the whole show literally wanting and trying to stop THE TERRORISTS!!! There literally were no politics or drama in the show 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@TheChadTI]

That was just awful.

[@AntiKaiMatic]

nobody wants more comedy. I like fatws just the way it is captain america has always been a political character so it fits him the most

[@VoltaGhost]

@@bryanmills1638 there was that whole racism arc...the cop that was like "is he bothering you sir" to Bucky...like what year are we in the 1940's? There was that whole conversation between Sam and his sister about Tony Stark and getting no money...then she said maybe Thanos was right and Sam all of a sudden had nothing to say. Then at the very end it had Sam preaching to the politicians to "do better" when he himself has nothing to contribute 🤷‍♂️

[@VoltaGhost]

@@AntiKaiMatic possibly but it was just horribly written...I was expecting something like Lethal Weapon...very serious things happening with some humorous things in between...instead it was pretty boring and the Agent guy turned out to be the most interesting guy...Bucky was even defeated by a Wakandan lady with no powers...like wtf? Makes no sense.

[@Damiancontursi]

I believe it actually started in Endgame, the "woman power scene" really throw me off the movie.

[@seancrowley3142]

Yeah, that was definitely a sign of things to come😣 that “woman power scene” was completely unnecessary.

[@kissesstra]

@@seancrowley3142wym by that?? How can that throw you off there’s only like 7 women in there while whole 30+ men 😭

[@seancrowley3142]

@@kissesstra because it’s was pushing an agenda. I don’t need a movie or a show to preach to me about “women being awesome.” I already know that. They are also trying to push the narrative that women don’t need men. Im not sure of what the endgame of these subliminal messages are but whatever it is, I don’t want any part of it.

[@SteAnonymeMonegasque]

They EXACTLY had the same problem with comics. Loooot of declinations of characters, (mult)universes and so on, and Marvel lost lot of readers because of this.

[@BatMite19]

The focus went from "let's tell a great story" to "let's create a vehicle for woke virtue signaling."

[@TheShattenjager]

Yup! They talk 10x as much about the casting of diversity and inclusion than they do about the plot or the cinematography. They think they can sell cheap lazy garbage by pinning woke awards to it. The results speak for themselves.

[@robertw9978]

Since endgame, only good movies are Spider-Man no way home and guardians of the galaxy 3

[@anonymoustroll2432]

No way home sucks just like the other Tom Holland Spiderman movies and its all Kevin Feige fault. Its all about Zendaya in all three movies that made Spiderman wimper like Harrison Ford.

[@michaelalberts3615]

Loved Wanda Vision. Everything after it has been awful

[@ElvisMenezes1]

Wandavision is awesome

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

Hawkeye was alright

[@austinhassler7283]

4:30 The Infinity Saga is Iron Man to Spiderman Far From Home

[@liamdell6319]

Far From Home doesn't really make sense as the final movie of phase three. Endgame's ending was just so conclusive as the end of an era, and FFH was dealing with the fallout after the Infinity Saga was over.

[@anonymoustroll2432]

​@@liamdell6319Homecoming, Far From Home and No Way Home all sucks and its all Zendayas fault.

[@liamdell6319]

@@anonymoustroll2432 I only found her irritating enough to detract from my experience in Homecoming, but make no mistake she was still irritating.

[@k_n_c_y]

@@anonymoustroll2432 You have to lack the most basic of comprehension abilities to blame the writing and directing of a character on the actress portraying her.

[@iannicol4537]

Hawkeye was introduced in Thor. He was going to snipe him until Colson told him to let him go.

[@raizahasmath5580]

We grew up with the Infinity Saga characters. We were so invested in their development. We even know the dialogues of all those movies still now. But, nowadays, I even forget the plotline of the recently watched MCU movies and shows

[@tre12387]

Hot Take: Marvel doesn't need saving, it needs redirection. Everybody chill the f out

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

That is a hot take because it very much needs saving.

[@danielberg3922]

The Marvels is tied for second as the biggest box office bomb of all time. Franchise needs saving.

[@vice2versa]

I disagree with the take on Multiverse of madness. I thought MULTIVERSE of madness was terrible. That movie singlehandedly killed my interest in the MCU going forward and I was an MCU FANATIC prior to it.

[@ElvisMenezes1]

Interesting, what were your biggest problems with the film?

[@calvinwilson3617]

My biggest problem with it was they basically dumbed down the rest of the cast for the plot. Best example was Reed Richard, the smartest man alive, telling Wanda his trump card, then getting killed instantly. Wanda is extremely powerful, but not solos the entire MCU combined strong

[@yanetybanez3301]

Agree it was awful. The story was so stupid and don’t even get me started on the terrible CGI. The story was so rushed and they completed dumb downed their main characters.

[@MrReset94]

They completely erased Wanda’s arc from her show ,to make her into a villain. As someone else said, it could have been a trilogy of descending into madness (even tho it still made little sense unless it was properly blamed on the dark magic/tome) and it would have worked better.

[@babs3241]

I wouldn't say it killed my interest in the entire franchise, but it was truly awful. The script was clunky, the concept was ridiculous, and what they did to Wanda was so grotesque and hateful--after there'd been a very nice examination of her bad approach to her grief, WHICH SHE UNDERSTOOD AND LEARNED FROM. And then all the sudden... what happened in MoM. They threw in the evil book as a reason, but why do something i you need to throw in a clunky plot device like that to do it? It was really badly put together. The whole multiverse idea, I admit, doesn't appeal to me as an arc, but there had to be some better way to handle it. Now, they seem to just be trying to do fan service by throwing in every possible known MCU franchise.

[@Flipitmixit]

Jsus do we need to edit in a movie scene quote after every sentence

[@Liadara]

If it wasn't crap no one would think it was too much.

[@The_Agent_7]

Marvel lost me when they became woke. Like WHY though, cmon marvel

[@CheshireFGC]

13:00 You forgot Hawkeye's appearance in Thor 1

[@galaxymoonlqght3732]

It wasn’t major, that’s why he didn’t include it

[@CheshireFGC]

@@galaxymoonlqght3732 I see

[@naturalhybrid]

​@@galaxymoonlqght3732 but still, it was an appearance.

[@galaxymoonlqght3732]

@@naturalhybrid he said in the video that he would exclude minor appearances in the films

[@melanieparker]

Cap broke Wanda out of the raft, Wanda killed Peggy Carter, Cap killed Peggy Carter...

[@neospock5034]

the Earth 838 version....

[@erikbihari3625]

Didn't hawkeye first appeared in Thor one(like how black widow did in iron man 2)?

[@216tjh]

Technically, it was more of a cameo than an appearance. We don't see Clint Barton's face, but we do hear him having a humorous conversation with Phil Coulson off-camera while the character is supposed to be posted up like a sniper waiting for the order to take Thor out. It's more of a cameo by the actor (Jeremy Renner) saying his lines over the scene's radio, and he's only in that one sequence. I'm not sure if Renner is even listed in the credits. It may have been a stunt double who played Barton going into the weapons room, eschewing the sniper rifle for the collapsible bow, then taking his position. (The true fans knew at that point: Barton is his name + sarcastic commentary + bow & arrow = Hawkeye. He's not called Hawkeye until we see him in the Avengers movie.) Natasha Romanov, OTOH, was a full supporting character in Iron Man 2, and the audiences certainly got an eyeful of Scarlett Johanson in the role through multiple scenes. I wouldn't blame Elvis for forgetting that Barton/Hawkeye actually was "revealed" to the audience in Thor, IF he was one of those casual fans he talks about.

[@erikbihari3625]

@@216tjh. Remember his face? Not cameo! Stop jossing me.

[@n0thum4n]

@@216tjh we definitely see his face in Thor we watch him lineup a shot and ask Colson if he needs to take it you need to rewatch

[@tommy_swim243]

I definitely think it has to do with the fact that their most popular characters either retired or died

[@adambarnes49]

Imagine if the MCU had ended with avengers endgame,it would have been considered one of the best movie franchises of all time,now all people are going to remember is how it all fell apart

[@marlonzogriffin6983]

I don’t mind seeing more Wanda the Scarlett witch the more the better she’s a baddie

[@owentrooper3499]

Underrated video for sure, I’ll be annoyed if I don’t see anymore uploads.

[@ElvisMenezes1]

Appreciate you saying that, and don’t worry… more uploads are coming

[@rayward43]

WandaVision was just a rehashing of the "Framework" season of Agents of SHIELD.

[@marychocolatefairy]

Some good points here. After so many films in Phases 4 and 5, we don't even know for sure who makes up the "Avengers" any more. Feige has mentioned wanting to see the new young Avengers in the next big film, but who are they? Some of the contenders have mainly been in Disney+ shows, which aren't watched by a good portion of the MCU audience. The Marvels already tried making movie heroes out of two characters from those shows, and it didn't work.

[@216tjh]

I think the MCU version of the Young Avengers will consist of Kamala Khan, Kate Bishop, Eli Bradley (appeared in Falcon & Winter Soldier, and I'm going to guess we may see him again in Brave New World), multiverse variants of Thomas & Billy Maximoff, Cassie Lang, and maybe the Hulk's son, who was seen at the end of the She-Hulk series. Perhaps for good measure they can also include Riri Williams, but now we're talking about *8* characters, most of whom have only appeared in Disney+ series. That leads with the proverbial chin right into Elvis's very good point about spreading the interest too thin across television series that the fans simply aren't tuning into with the same interest they had with, for example, the first three seasons of Daredevil. In particular, the fans are going to barely know Eli and the Hulk's son.

[@kzarkage]

Ralph Bohner That little joke cost them everything Hope it was worth it