Why you should NOT want Gen 5 Remakes

[@faniabyan]

For Gen 5, I'd rather have a sequels than remakes. That would be much more unique for the Black and White games

[@rivalryyyy]

Sequels would work well as a concept in my opinion to follow up on the original sequels. As you said it would make it much more unique!

[@StaminaLoss]

Yeah, I am excited for them to release Black 2 and White 2. I heard that it's going to be a remix of Unova and takes place a few years after the mainline games.

[@dr.masiaka7048]

Would be cool for something to involve the god stone

[@bluffinmacguffin347]

A Unova trilogy would be great

[@Starriaaa]

I’d prefer a prequel with legends Kyurem

[@Juvi4309]

After Legends Arceus, I prefer that approach to re-experiencing old gens than standard remakes, at least by comparison with BDSP. If we do get any kind of gen 5 remade experience, I hope the original dragon could finally get an appearance in “Legends Kyurem”.

[@Brant-vh5mk]

This is what I thought they would be the best approach to remakes. The regions all have history why not explore it?

[@thewingedserpent5823]

but legends arceus was also shit

[@sephikong8323]

​@@thewingedserpent5823 Neutral on the issue as I didn't play these games, but here to see the ratio come in

[@michaelrobosa146]

​@@thewingedserpent5823said no one ever

[@Pwrplus5]

@@thewingedserpent5823 literally the only genuinely good pokemon release in the last 10 years besides USUM and ORAS, which both have various problems of their own

[@larrytheslime]

I honestly think a gen 5 remake has the potential to be worse than the original gen 5 games considering gamefreak's recent releases. People's expectations for remakes might just be a little too high for what we would actually get. Great video!

[@rivalryyyy]

Thank you - I appreciate that!

[@ChicagoMel23]

Most of the recent releases are good. The DP ones were more port than remake though

[@flareonguy7922]

@@ChicagoMel23 I remember they literally ported in the old bugs from DP, like a glitch with the Suction Cups ability that got fixed in Platinum came back for BDSP.

[@blue_the_boy_kisser]

I feel as though, based on the opinions Ive seen, people expect an ORAS or HGSS level of glow up for remakes. Sadly, I dont that's a likely outcome after seeing what BDSP brought to the table. (Let's Go P&E dont count, as they lean more towards being sequels than remakes)

[@flareonguy7922]

@@blue_the_boy_kisser Ironically LGPE has the highest level of polish out of all the Switch games. I don't like the Pokemon Go like catching or how dumbed down easy it is, but its absolutely bug free and has frankly amazing graphics compared to the other mainline switch titles.

[@TheGloryXros]

THANK YOU, I've been screaming this on the mountaintops since Let's Go Eevee. People need to stop with asking for Remakes, this is something we feasibly just cannot keep expecting for each generation of Nintendo games. At some point we need to move forward; instead of making Remakes, we should follow Black & White's formula, and make SEQUEL GAMES that revisit those Regions.

[@rivalryyyy]

I have noticed a very popular opinion is to do sequels instead of remakes for Gen to follow what's right for the generation and I feel that's a very good option. There's no harm in taking a break from remakes/revamps/sequels for a bit to focus on what's currently going on in my opinion!

[@shadowthewind2902]

We would not have Pokémon platinum if we didn’t have remakes. The best version of diamond and pearl. The problem is with games like let’s go, brilliant Diamond and shining pearl. They went a and barely changed things or even dumbed it down. Sure brilliant diamond and shining pearl were outsourced and basically used the original diamond and pearl with underground changes…. But the point is that the wrong people decided what to do. Everyone just needs to shout to stop these type of changes. Omega Ruby and alpha sapphire actually are infinitely better than ruby and sapphire, but the originals are great in their own right. Remakes are great, just make sure you scream when they do horribly on a remake so that they stop with decisions like those.

[@TheGloryXros]

@@shadowthewind2902 No, still, Remakes aren't needed. They could've done everything they did in those Remakes as instead SEQUELS to those Regions, like BW2. Though I will say ORAS definitely improved the story of RSE

[@shadowthewind2902]

@@TheGloryXros I had actually disliked black and white, black 2 and white 2. Really… remakes, brilliant diamond and shining pearl are not. Those are remasters that have a underground rework.

[@sabercat5490]

​@@shadowthewind2902 Seems to me that you are calling Lets Go and Platinum "remakes", when they are not. Platinum is a glorified dlc and Lets Go is a retelling of Pokemon Yelloew. Because Pt is essentially dlc, it wouldnt have needed the remakes to exist when it was just expanding upon the lore.

[@DustyGogoat]

Important Note: Time isn’t the problem of Gamefreak. It’s resource management and funding.

[@duelistkind846]

these two things sorta feed into each other. resource management and funding issues means more time is required and vice versa

[@itsthefedsmate3400]

To be fair they have no reason to really put effort onto the games the make a shut ton of money making trash and the last time they put in a good amount of effort it sold poorly from a business standpoint putting any extra time into it is probably gonna be less profitable

[@Anytyme06]

It's also the amount of employees they currently have.

[@Vmac1394]

Time is a problem considering their games are usually undercooked and buggy.

[@ainzer2903]

​​@@Vmac1394nah, not really they can delay but the unstoppable greediness wont let them and less than 200 employees for a development team that can be considered as AAA is not ideal for developing game in ever growing franchise. They also using same manpower to develop 3 different games at same period sude by side (not all of them, but most of them surely overworked)

[@bragilbe12]

The problem really boils down to the fact that GameFreak wants to stay as a "small indie game studio" but make one of the biggest franchises on the planet

[@Bruhx31-r2h]

So fucking true

[@Vmac1394]

It's not one of, Pokémon is the most profitable franchise in history.

[@danielstreeter6738]

It's also worth noting that FR/LG and HG/SS had a significant role in helping players complete the National Pokédex in light of the trade wall between Gens 2 & 3, whereas now, when it's become such a technical challenge for a game to even have the capacity to feature the full Pokédex...

[@leeeroyjenkins555]

The whole national dex can still be featured in any game

[@TheMNHShow]

Black 3 and White 3 would be preferred actually

[@Phoenix_Blader_93]

We really dont need a sequel

[@TheMNHShow]

@@Phoenix_Blader_93 what do we need then?

[@Phoenix_Blader_93]

@@TheMNHShow nothing. Just port the gen 5 games with online connection

[@TheMNHShow]

@@Phoenix_Blader_93 they’re saying the Switch 2 has 3DS and 2D backwards compatibility so maybe your wish will come true on Pokémon’s 30th anniversary

[@tippedjoshua6802]

@@TheMNHShowwho were even saying that a year ago? I never heard anything like that.

[@dioshiba6066]

I gave up on the pokemon mainline games and the franchise in general. It still holds a place in my heart because of my childhood but the fact that games keep getting churned out to the point where it's absurd I just couldn't force myself to continue. Eventually people will catch on to this and tire of it to the point where they may have to be forced to take a hiatus.

[@villageflippinidiot]

Try rom hacks bro. The fans take so much time on their masterpieces, and if you're sick of how gamefreak does the franchise, give the fans a chance to show just how good it can be.

[@dioshiba6066]

@@villageflippinidiot You think I already don't know about the Rom Hacking Scene? Pokemon Crystal Clear does wonders for me

[@Quemiibo]

I’m going through the same feeling and wasn’t excited for the last DLC. I’ll still follow news and announcements but have given up on buying anything game-related for the series.

[@nasinnarcotics]

I’m glad other people share this position. Gen 5 is already as good as it’ll get

[@Hugelag]

I've seen what they've done to gen 4 and I don't want that to happen to gen 5.

[@PikachuGamerSMT]

If they remake Gen 5 EXACTLY like they did Gen 4 I would instead have a port

[@Nazareth69420]

They should just port all the DS games to the switch with minimal changes and online capabilities.

[@BladeMasterIcarus]

@@Nazareth69420 they didn't for gen 4. why would they do that for gen 5

[@phillnyetheplaylistguy3759]

​@@BladeMasterIcarushe said should. He didn't suggest that they would.

[@insaneoflex01]

Black 2 and white 2 are the peak of pokemon. I’m fed up with the gimmicks.

[@the_reptilian_researcher_360]

As someone who wants a modernized version of Black and White, it pains me to say that you're completely right. Hopefully, Game Freak will see your video and take your perspective into consideration. Who knows your fresh take on the remakes might actually change things.

[@rivalryyyy]

Thank you I appreciate that!

[@Anytyme06]

Management has already stated that they don't care it will sell well regardless.

[@Tangynav]

As a hardcore Gen 5 fan who grew up with the games, black 2 being my first Pokémon game, and my favorite game of all time, I have a LOT of thoughts and feelings regarding its inevitable return to the Pokémon company spotlight. (Just for reference, I literally have a Unova map poster, the gym badges from B2W2, a Snivy plushie, Zorua shirt, a card of Rosa and Serperior in my phone case, and am currently designing a Serperior tattoo for myself.) I may have a bias towards black 2 and white 2 specifically since they were my first, but I care just as much about Black and White, and have played them all. After the BDSP situation, I have begun to worry about what the Pokemkn Company may choose to do with Gen 5 when they bring it back (likely as the "remake" to go alongside Gen 10, since at that point, Gen 5 would be considered the midway point of the entire Pokémon series, and the last set of 2D pixel format games). Gen 4 clearly has a strong fan base, especially for Pokémon platinum, and the fact the Pokémon company completel disregarded all of Platinum's content, and made a seemingly shovel-ware esc remake of just Diamond and Pearl with little to no changes or quality of life improvements for it. It was honestly soul crushing, being that I do still enjoy Sinnoh as well, and wished it'd gotten more Justice. Yes, they made PLA which is a MUCH better new Sinnoh game in my opinion, but it clearly didn't get as much development or time in the oven as it should've since it was likely just a side project for the franchise. Almost a tech demo of sorts for 3D Pokémon before the release of SV. The fact nintendo even gave the real Diamond and Pearl remakes to a second hand company is a very very bad sign in my opinion. From my experience, back in the day as a Pokémon fan, or for any Nintendo games in general, Nintendo takes SERIOUS responsibility and care for the games, or at least they used to. So much so that they swore to never outsource their games, and would rather make them themselves to ensure they are always the highest of quality. But they did just the opposite with Gen 4, outsourced it, andhicj inevitably led it BDSP being infamously hated for how bad it is. I have played it, and did beat Shining Pearl, but in all honesty, it was nothing special. I which makes me think, would the Pokémon company dare disrespect Gen 5 just as hard? Even with how strong it's fan base has become and grown throughout the past few years? I'm all honest, I don't know. They could be lazy and do just that, but, deep in my gut I feel as though they have at least a DECENT plan for it. Within the past few Pokémon games, I have noticed EVERY little detail referencing not just black and white, but b2w2, and how those references are integrated so importantly ink each game. For example, Bede's theme references the PWT final round theme. In PLA, there's a clear poster of what seems to be an ancestor of Alder on the walls of the Pearl clan homes. Not to mention, SO MANY of the Noble Pokémon and ride Pokémon in PLA originate from Unova. Noble Liligant, Braviary, Basculegion, and the fact that Oshowatt is a starter in the game. And most importantly, the fact that the only other time traveler in the game is INGO!! (Who is one of the heads of the battle subway in Gen 5). And now, in Scarlet and Violet, I'm seeing TONS of references to Gen 5. Johto is also due for a remake, and since both it and Gen 5 are up next, I'm noticing correlations to both. Firstly, the fact that the two legendary paradox Pokémon are Walking Wake and Iron leaves. Suicoone from Gen 2, and Verizion from Gen 5. Why would they choose those two Pokémon specifically to make into legendary paradoxes? Because they come from the two games that are next in line for remakes. I could ramble on for ages about all the references to both Gen 5 and 2 in recent games, but I must mention what I believe is the best for Unova. In my heart, I feel as though Gen 5 deserves a 3rd sequel. One that'll honor all the amazing things both games offered, and adding MORE to build into the story that was left on a cliffhanger on the last game. We never saw the original dragon, we never saw what happened to N, we never saw what became of Colress and team Plasma, and so many other things. I feel like a third sequel could do all these loose ends Justice. Not only that, but a third remake could also build on Ingo's story in PLA, possibly showing what happened to Emmet in the present day, and possibly showing him attempting to bring him back. I also feel as though Colress could come back as an even STRONGER villain, being that by now he's explored every region trying to find, as he puts it, "the best way to bring out a Pokémon's true strength", and ultimately finding the power, or as we know it ‘gimmick" of every region, and harnessing it. We heard a mention of him in X and Y, so clearly he knows about mega evolution, we actually SAW him in Alola, so he must know of Z moves, we didn't see him in Galar, but as a scientist studying Pokémon power, he likely knows of Dynamax and Gigantamax. And now that Scarket and Violet is out, he could know of Terrastalization by now. I also noticed that professor Sada and Turo's insane desire to study paradox Pokémon and fulfill their scientific dreams heavilv mimic that of Colress. and mav even be inspired by him. So, long story short, I feel like Colress should be planning some world endangering scheme. And on a side note, something that's just a sort of wish of mine for Gen 5 sequels, I hope the player gets the chances to start in either of Gen 5's starting towns in the sequel, to then follow a different path, giving the game the ability to have branching stories and different endings, something of the sort. Also, if we were simply to get just a remake of Black and white, there's so much content we would be losing that makes the Gen so amazing. We'd lose Virbank, Aspertia, Floccassy, and many other towns, Iris would no longer be champion, Humilau gym wouldn't exist, and as another youtuber put it, "The PWT would just become cold storage". All this may be just the ramblings of my pure love for Gen 5, but, I digress.

[@the-sillycate]

I miss returning characters from previous games appearing in the main generational games. USUM were the last games this happened, however this can be thought as a nod to the 20th anniversary of the franchise. On the switch games, just Mina and Ingo had made a comeback; however, LGPE and PLA are not the main game of their respective generation. SWSH and SV have no returning important characters as far as I know (I've never played the Galar games). And I don't remember any mentions of previous characters coming out of them like the XY Colress you said (perhaps I'm wrong). Like, Galar and Paldea are most likely geographical neighbors of Kalos. And, though they have some slight nods to the region, they don't mention anything about famous people who live there or events that happened there. For example, the only two chefs in the series who specialize in water-type pokemon happen to be a paldean man and a kalosian guy. There's a high chance they do know each other; however, this is not used in the game (the same could be said about Burgh and Viola however their regions are geographically apart). We could also have seen a mention of a hypothetical fashion show where Nessa, Valerie and Tulip (even Elesa) could have participated. However I shouldn't emphasize mentions of characters because they're never been widely used in the core games. I don't know if they stopped doing this because they want to leave any of these things for pokemon masters EX and let the new games just for the new characters, but I surely miss seeing cameos of old characters in the new regions.

[@Tangynav]

@@the-sillycate Me too. And I’ve noticed what you’re saying as well. From the Pokémon games I’ve played, in the majority of Pokémon games, there’s at least one character who returns from a previous generation. Like how in gen 5, Cynthia can be found in Undella town, or how Colress can be found in USUM. Even in LGPE, Mina makes a return. I haven’t played the Galar games either, but from what I’ve noticed in Scarlet and Violet, and others who can recount SWSH, no Main characters from other games have returned in main like switch games. I’m not sure what the Pokémon company is intending to do but not having main characters, but it’s kind of concerning. Maybe once the scarlet and Violet DLC comes out, older characters will return. But we’ll just have to wait and see

[@deadmanfan1000]

I agree. Hardcore gen 5 fan here. Although I never got around to playing Black 2 White 2, I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to see gen 5 love come back.

[@Tangynav]

@@deadmanfan1000 YESS!! A popular Pokémon leaker just hinted at new gen 5 games. So, if gen 5 does come back soon, I really hope Gamefreak gives it the time and care it DESERVES! As Unova Fans, we shall UNITE!

[@SMCwasTaken]

Its really a shame that some Gen 5 fanboys are toxic

[@yurilis1348]

There is no point to make ramakes anymore, but they're gonna do it anyways.

[@rivalryyyy]

I think that's the reality. I'd rather if they decided to do the remakes they instead take the time, perfect it and go from there. I just don't see that happening.

[@afrofantom6631]

@@rivalryyyy I think the revisiting aspect of going back to older regions is cool; which is why i would like to see follow-ups rather than remakes.

[@DarkEclipse23]

@@afrofantom6631 no one wants to spend 120$ on a copy for an old pokemon game they probably can’t play anymore.

[@danielstonebraker656]

As an American, I can confirm that any pokemon game made before 3ds costs 2 months' salary

[@rivalryyyy]

As I expected! I should of kept hold of all of mine - why I got rid of them i do not know but I am regretting it now!

[@rossana8958]

I wish never given my extra copies to my friend and brother

[@deuce222x]

Is your salary 10 dollars per month? I’m confused by your comment.

[@blue_the_boy_kisser]

​@@deuce222x Anything after the 3DS era costs upwards of $60-- at minimum

[@deuce222x]

@@blue_the_boy_kisser Yea but he is saying the gameboy games are costing him 2 months salary. Thats pre 3ds. Pre ds. I can get fire red and leaf green for about 10 bucks easily.

[@greatnesstcb2411]

Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl weren't developed by Game Freak. As they were working on the other titles and sword and shield dlc

[@rivalryyyy]

Yep exactly! I think that contributed heavily to the problems Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl had as a team had to tackle a main series game out of nowhere.

[@MarvinPowell1]

@greatnesstcb2411 They were produced by Game Freak though, meaning they made all the decisions and ILCA could only just follow orders. ILCA would've out-done Game Freak, if given the chance, and Game Freak knows it.

[@EnderPryde]

My one (and only) rebuttal would be that your discussion of 'what would be added in Gen 5' (around 8:47) was incomplete. The big change between Gen 5 and 8 that you mentioned for the Gen 3 remakes but completely glossed over for Gen 4 and 5: Fairy Type (there's also been some other under-the-hood clean-up in mechanics since Gen 5, like adjusting Steel's chart matchup against Ghost/Dark). Normally, I'd say that Fairy not being present in Gen 5 wouldn't matter as much as no Gen 5 pokemon were given the fairy typing (aside from Mega Audino which doesn't count) but we've seen from all the previous remakes - and most recently, BDSP - that their system of remakes does include expanding Pokemon availability from the original games, so the fairy typing existing would change how the games play out, especially since Dragons are so prevalent in the story (both a gym leader and primary antagonist using powerful dragons) Aside from that point, I do think your argument about not wanting them to be rushed out does hold water, though.

[@rivalryyyy]

Yeah to be fair - Ghetsis having his Hydreigon which would be now 4x weak to Fairy type is a big difference. And steel does have a bit of adjusting to it as well! Thank you I appreciate that!

[@TheMasterBlaze]

In the spirit of Gen 5 I always wanted Black and White 3. However, I've been campaigning for them just to port Gen 5 to the switch and just touch it up with modern conveniences like HOME and the ability to trade and do Entralink stuff with the internet.

[@rivalryyyy]

I think HOME will be a big element for everyone wanting Black and White on the newest console. Just the ability to transfer over everything you want would be honestly great.

[@glider2168]

Mega evolution was present in gen 7, you got gifted a mega alakazamite and you could buy other mega stones at the battle tree for BP

[@EnigmaticGentleman]

To quote Professor Farnsworth: Good News! (Granted nothings confirmed but i think Gen 6 is a pretty safe bet at this point)

[@rivalryyyy]

Very excited to see where Pokemon Legends ZA goes - it was good to see them look at a different route than expected!

[@CAMnami]

I'd rather have a legends unova game than a remake and if for them to just port/emulate the game to the switch

[@rivalryyyy]

I'd like the ability to play the old games on the switch for sure. What Pokemon would be the basis for the Legends game for Unova?🤔

[@CAMnami]

@RivalRyyyy I think the original dragon that split into rashiram, Zekrom, and kyreum would be cool, but could also see Victini working too

[@rjante2236]

I'd love a Legends game set in ancient Unova. Remakes would just be worse.

[@bradywolfwing36]

With all do respect I think the exact fucking opposite of this idea! Gen 5 was my first Pokémon game ever and and it has so many sentimental meanings to me that nobody else would understand. I have waited TOO DAMN LONG for a gen 5 remake and will be greatly pissed if I don’t get it!

[@rivalryyyy]

You want what you want! I understand it, Gen 5 is generally well loved by the whole fanbase so!

[@smortg]

I still remember the rumour videos about Gold/Silver remakes. Heart Hold and Soul Silver may be one of the few popular games to match the hype. Getting excited for new Pokémon releases is arguably unfeasible now.

[@prasoonshrestha3833]

Who is watching this ; After Legends-ZA got announced

[@rivalryyyy]

I am pleasantly surprised they went a different route. Intrigued to see where they go next.

[@seandaniels7938]

Why you should say yes to them cuz they will be sweet and 99.9% of fans know they'll buy it regardless of how it looks

[@rivalryyyy]

You raise a fair point. It is so big now it just wouldn't be boycotted - it would still be bought and I would also be guilty of this.

[@seandaniels7938]

@rivalryyyy same lmao gen 5 was my favorite so I'm getting it no matter what

[@Bruhx31-r2h]

I would much rather they straight up re-release the old games on switch than remake them. Gamefreak has proven over the last four years that they are incapable of making good pokemon games anymore.

[@rivalryyyy]

We are heading back to Unova in the Indigo Disk so I'm curious to where that is gonna go. I do wonder if they will ever have like subscription service on a console where you can play ported versions of the old games.

[@TFSned]

I don't have a problem with remakes if they take the time to make them the true definitive version. Although I still want to have the original versions available in some way. The updates graphics and music aren't always better to me. Pokemon has been getting further and further away from being the definitive version with each remake. * There's very little to complain about with FRLG, except how long they make you play before giving you the running shoes. * HGSS is great too. I love the GB music player, and how it even including remixes of tracks that weren't in the original. The soundfont used in the GBA and DS games just sounds like parping MIDI trumpets so I prefer the chiptunes. The GB player should have been available from the start though. I also wish they had remade Gen 2 after Gen 5 so we would have gotten animated sprites in battle. * ORAS is definitely one of the better 3D games since it's not so linear and cutscene driven. There's no excuse for cutting the postgame content especially when they could have released it as free DLC. * I didn't buy LGPE. Replacing the battle system with a minigame and removing some of the best features added to the battle system in FRLG (held items and abilities), as well as every non-Kanto Pokemon gave me no reason to play these. * BDSP was just a graphical overhaul that made the games look worse. I'd much rather emulate Diamond in HD than look at these Funko Pop characters. Why even go to the effort of making two models for nearly every character? I also don't want random battles back. Even the remakes of Dragon Quest VII and VIII on the 3DS removed them and only a fraction of players actually prefer them.

[@rivalryyyy]

Not sure if you agree but I think the major issue is that it's just now expected to make a remake? Instead of being right let's improve these games, it's just an expected content from Pokemon and that's why it falls flat. I didn't have a particular issue with Let's Go simply because I understood they wanted a core game on the Switch for release, but I feel that's where it really start the change to just 'quick get it out so we can sell it' . I'd be happy to have any remake, but only provided it was a true definitive version. Pokemon Platinum came out over a decade ago and is still the definitive version of Gen 4 despite a remake.

[@TFSned]

@@rivalryyyy Dragon Quest also used to alternate between new games and remakes. They remade DQ I & II using V's engine and DQ III using VI's engine. Pokemon did the same thing up to ORAS. What made these remakes work is that they were made by the core team and were brought up to the standards of a brand new mainline game. They didn't take the easy route by just making a straight port or limiting them to just a graphical facelift. Unfortunately if the series is stagnant then there aren't enough changes to justify a remake. After Gen 4 there aren't many drastic changes to the core gameplay that would make remakes of those games play differently.

[@rivalryyyy]

@@TFSned That's my personal opinion as well. I liked Mega Evolutions as a concept - but as it hasn't been added on since Gen 6 I don't feel as a core gameplay mechanic its worth adding because it isn't expanded on every gen, same with every other concept they bring in every generation.

[@TFSned]

@@rivalryyyy All I really want from Pokemon is for them to be faster and have more difficulty options. DQ XI and KH III did this perfectly by having a bunch of difficulty modifiers that you can turn on, like tougher enemies, no items, and no running from battle. Gen 5 was already much faster than Gen 4 and even had difficulty levels (although they needed to be unlocked or traded for some reason). Since then Game Freak have no interest in offering difficulty options, even the option to disable EXP share. They also seem to think that Nuzlocke is some kind of ROM hack when it's really just a self-imposed set of rules so you can't just sleepwalk through the games.

[@TFSned]

@@jaretco6423 DQ is definitely being handled the way I wish Pokemon was. DQXI S was the perfect balance between modernisation and keeping what made the early games so good. It really is the game you imagined in your head while wandering around the towns and world map brought into 3D. Pokemon already took inspiration from DQ for the forgiving game over mechanic where you just lose half your money and return to the last town, and the whole idea of catching monsters from DQV (although Pokemon may have started development earlier). All I really want is for Pokemon to use the Draconian Quest difficulty modifiers from DQXI.

[@CaptainPetrov]

Excellent point you made here. I really enjoyed Black and White. I remember those when they were new, a friend of mine had gotten one of the two, and I remember 4th grade me being absolutely blown away by its look and feel. The state of the video game industry today, it would be best to just port Black and White to the Switch

[@rivalryyyy]

Oh for sure - Black and White were fantastic for the time it was released - I think nowadays with deadlines and attempts to get games out as soon as possible we lose a bit of the quality control needed. Plus in general accessibility needs to be better to the old games in General - especially when you consider some old Pokemon games could be the cost of a console in general.

[@henrymcelroy148]

Wow only 22 likes and 173 subscribers!!?? Dude your content is great I thought I was watching another big wig pokemon KZbinr! You’re definitely gonna make it there one day dude keep it up!

[@rivalryyyy]

Thank you! I really appreciate that!😁

[@djsercy5879]

Since I still have my original carts for gen 5, this doesn't matter as much to me, but I will say this: Of all the games that Pokémon has released, remakes of Gen 5 would make the least sense (I mean, the 3DS games getting remakes would also make no sense, but hear me out). B(2)/W(2) were the last Pokémon games made for the Nintendo DS(i) and were specifically designed to make use of everything those two systems could possibly do. Sky Arrow Bridge, for example, is paced in such a way that it's made purely for you to run along it and watch how the camera pans around. A bridge like that would serve no purpose, gameplay wise, but it's there so you can be impressed on your way to Castelia City, which was the biggest city in all of Pokémon at the time. It was also the first one to feature NPCs moving around on busy streets that you could interact with (or that would try to walk around you if you got in their way). The only other areas in all of Pokémon to do this are Join Avenue in BW2 and Lumiose City in XY (also, there are fewer moving NPCs in Lumiose City and you can't interact with any of them). After playing Shining Pearl, I was happy with what I was doing at the time since Pearl was a game I always wanted, but could never get as a kid. However, using the Poké Nav was strange since it clearly wasn't designed to be awkwardly shoved in the corner of the screen. The (3)DS games simply don't work as well once you remove the second screen, which would make the C-Gear not very intuitive to use. Also, what would happen with the Entralink? I restarted my Pokémon Black to try and do a run with a team resembling the ones used by Black and White in the Pokémon Adventures manga, which meant I lost all of my Entralink progress, but how would that work on Switch? There's also the issue of the Dream World and Pokémon Dream Radar, wich both required external devices to use fully (Dream World needed you to go to the Pokémon website and Dream Radar is an AR 3DS game). How will those work? There's a lot of stuff in this generation that only works as well as it does because it was made specifically for the DS family and capturing it all on anything other than a DS or Wii U-like system wouldn't work nearly as well.

[@PickleDeguyo]

This video is very well done and I can't wait to see your channel grow I think you're doing amazing :)

[@rivalryyyy]

Thank you I appreciate that alot!

[@elpopman2055]

The so called Gen 4 Remakes We're simply Remasters.. Pokemon platinum was better And had a better connection to Pokemon Legend Arcues when it comes to Giratina Role and It's only character development spoilers.. It was more malicious and Antagonistic.. but It Was humbled and learned from its mistakes With Volo.. That why It directly intervened to Stop Cyrus.. Why Because Cyrus was Doing the Same Thing Volo and Giritina Did. Girintina Goes from being a malicious and Vengeful pokemon To actually embracing the role of Protecting the Balance of Universe and Saving Dialga and Palkia.

[@rivalryyyy]

Honestly Giratina and it's arc in general is one of the best portrayed in Pokemon games. Going from the vilian to the protector considering its origin is such a great arc. Just a shame that wasn't kept in for the remakes of brilliant diamond and Shining Pearl.

[@jordandaigle6227]

They made the gen 4 games be made by a different company and them limited them so much that it ended up a bad product. My theory is that they did that so we wouldn't have the expectations for future remakes.

[@rivalryyyy]

That is a very interesting conspiracy theory actually. IT would certainly temperament any future opinions on Remake games!

[@jordandaigle6227]

@@rivalryyyy Exactly. On one hand, it means they'll be focussing on the new games slightly more... On the other hand it's a bit scummy if I'm right. At the end of the day though, unless they admit that, we won't be knowing for sure

[@DollyDalmatian77]

I hope Pokemon releases a series of legacy collections containing every single Pokemon game ever with online trading and battling. That'll keep the franchise thriving for many years to come.

[@Raphotron2000]

How do people keep forgetting that gen7 still had mega evolution

[@gotrejo]

Why does everyone hate the idea of Gen five remakes lmao. Worst case they suck and we just play the originals

[@rivalryyyy]

I think recent history of Pokemon has definitely had a big part of that. The bugs on release for the new gens and BDSP in general have left a sour taste for alot of people.

[@DaSheepKiller]

All of this is true, but there’s something else that you didn’t bring up that’s a big reason to not want remakes anymore. Some of the most appealing things about the gen 1-3 remakes was being able to connect to the other games and to use Pokémon from later gens that didn’t exist in the originals. With the Switch games (including the remakes), neither of those things are possible anymore so what’s even the point of remakes anymore? Let’s Go and especially BDSP feel so hollow compared to FRLG, HGSS, and ORAS because of this.

[@johnmcvey9863]

Well we are missing a lot of gen 5 from switch games, so having this would give us the ability to get them

[@owlenderg]

If they went back to the pixel style and upgraded the music to HD, they couldn't go wrong It's if they make it 3d or chibi again is where I'll have issues with it

[@rivalryyyy]

I think alot of people would also see it that way too.

[@freezeburn9875]

I gotta wonder what they’ll do when the time comes for them to start remaking X and Y

[@rivalryyyy]

I honestly haven't a clue😅. I think the money the remakes help bring it, we will probably head that way but unsure as to how they'd handle it.

[@ninjajou10]

just now realized that gen 2 and gen 5 are the only generations without fairy typing

[@KuroBlitz]

Gen 5 Remakes should be a Let's Go Unova for BW1 and Legends Kyurem for B2W2. Make a new Elemental Monkey be the Meltan/Melmetal for this new Unova iteration. If you play as a girl, you could encounter both Hilda and Rosa during your journey. Colress would be like LGPE's Archer while Zinzolin & Kyurem are Leaf & Mewtwo. In Legends, make a 5th Musketeer (evil Fire Type) to parallel the 4th Kami Enamorus.

[@rivalryyyy]

I quite liked Enamorus as an addition to the Forces of Nature - I really I quite like to see additional Pokemon added to lines like that. A Let's Go BW would be pretty cool!

[@redlord4321]

oh god no not another lets go game plz

[@sandgrunge]

Black and white 3 in gen 10s engine.

[@TalysAlankil]

honestly i don't even *want* a graphical update to gen 5-it has my favorite graphical style as it is, the sprite work in gen 5 was simply stellar and i doubt it would be as good looking in a 3D setting

[@nathanblackburn1193]

I mean they're likely gonna happen regardless because Pokemon but it'll be interesting to see how they're handled seeing as how gen 5 is the generation with the most little details with things like seasons, NPCs that change the music, once per day events, a lot of the communication features and the version differences, there's also the question of how Black 2 and White 2 would be handled would they be separate remakes? What about all the B2 &W2 exclusive features? Gen 5 are probably the Pokemon games with the most effort put into them which means the hypothetical remakes will either drop the ball completely and be objectively worse than the originals or they'll force more effort from the devs to make them on par with the originals (which is less likely but still)

[@DustyGogoat]

This second era of Sinnoh showed us that a great formula is a shallow “faithful remake” followed by an experimental game based in a familiar region. My money is on Gen 5 remake + B3W3 (modern engine)

[@DarkMarxSoul]

I fully agree, I'd be fine with a spinoff a la Legends Arceus but I have little desire to just revisit an old game at this point. The Pokemon series has made me tired of remakes.

[@rivalryyyy]

Because of the money involved I feel like they will just continue with them. If that's the case I think they should at least take a decent break from them first.

[@Cat.In.A.Wig.]

As long as they don’t pass it off to ILCA again, we should be fine. Besides, I wouldn’t expect a gen 5 remake until gen 10 since it follows the remake generation pattern.

[@bocioguie007]

Amazing video, love all the thought and research. You hit exactly what I've been thinking. No Gen 5 remakes please. At most, port them to the Switch.

[@rivalryyyy]

Thank you I appreciate that!

[@thetruekingofwaffles]

I genuinely hope pokemon doesn't release a game this year, if we don't have a release they could be working with Monolift soft or putting extra effort in the next game, if we have a break between games we could really have something special be born.

[@rivalryyyy]

I think taking a break will be good for everyone. Some good resource and time management will make things so much better in the long run.

[@xaleypoo4779]

The only Gen 5 remakes I need are Blaze Black and Volt White.

[@santinogoring8860]

Those names sound lit

[@xaleypoo4779]

@@santinogoring8860 Definitely check them out, they're really difficult, but very refreshing.

[@santinogoring8860]

@@xaleypoo4779 Where?

[@jaretco6423]

@@santinogoring8860 It's an rom hack game.

[@jaythephoenix]

Black and White 3 will take place in the far future and far past respectively. It is revealed that in present Unova, a rift opened after an experiment attempted to recreate the original dragon. You do little more than pick your starter when a young man bearing a striking resemblance to Ghetsis bursts into the lab, grabs a pokeball from the table, and enters a hidden basement. The new professor seems very distressed and dashes after him, asking you to follow. Underground, the young man introduces himself as the son of Ghetsis attempting to liberate the three legendary dragons found restrained here and prevent the world suffering his father's mistakes again. The professor smirks and mentions she'll have to go "ahead of schedule" and flips a switch. The tanks roar to life and Kyurem and Zekrom cry out as we see Kyurem's ice melt away. The former's energy seems to be getting fed to it. As this happens, Emmet and Ingo burst into the room, apparently accompanying the young man. A sudden explosion occurs, and a silhouette of a massive dragon appears before a blinding light overtakes you. You awake to find yourself in a field or a sprawling city depending on the version. A shimmering, green and white Klink appears with a screen connected to it. The boy appears on the screen with the other world in the background and explains the situation. He calls this Klink a "Time Gear" variety he found while studying the works of Dr. Turo and Dr. Sada from Paldea. The original dragon, it turns out, creates enough power to mess with time. It is revealed that a "mysterious hero" split the dragon to prevent this when the brothers warred. He mentions that they should work together to return to the present by finding the original dragon and the recreation existing in your future or past times. Or that's how I'd do it anyway.

[@rivalryyyy]

Are Game Freak hiring writers?🤔🤔

[@Kresh42]

All I'd like to see for Gen 5 if anything besides a Legends game is a direct 1:1 port of the Gen 5 games with Dream World restored on modern servers unless some modder is able to get Dreamworld back working

[@rivalryyyy]

I think the only way it probably happens is a subscription service? Similar to Nintendo Switch Online but for all the Pokemon games. It's an option they could explore. Whether they do or not I don't know. I'd be happy to get a direct 1:1 Port!

[@dai6419]

Normally I would agreee but considering how much in price the ds cartridges have gone up by a $60 switch game would be cheaper so I’m for the remake

[@aprils1888]

I assumed they would tackle Gen 2 now, since HGSS is older than Black & White, but seemingly I was wrong

[@rivalryyyy]

I do forget how long it's been since the HGSS remakes - that being said you'd essentially be looking at 2 remakes at the same time. Remakes for gen 5 and a remake for gen 2 (again). So I'm not sure how they would actually play it?

[@bremaster93]

Sorry, this is going to be a long comment but I agree with this video. I love Pokémon Black & White and this is coming from someone who didn’t get to play Pokémon games when I was a kid/teenager cause I didn’t have Nintendo handhelds. I appreciate everything about Black & White (including the BW anime). I have zero problem with the gen 5 designs including “trash bag and ice cream Pokémon.” Garbodor has been on my team since I caught it as a Trubbish and it’s been one of my aces. I appreciate these games and I have Pokémon Black 2 being delivered soon while I’m enjoying B&W1. I loves the seasons, designs and challenges. The gym leaders actually participate in the story and man the Black & White 2 trailer is soooo watchable I wish it was a legit series and much more. Sorry for going on and on forever about this but you can tell I love the Black & White games and I’m impatiently waiting for Black 2 to arrive.

[@rivalryyyy]

I pointed this out in my most recent video on my thoughts on every Pokemon from Generation 1 - but I think designs in Pokemon have always been both bad and good in peoples eyes. We can argue its gotten 'worse' but I think in general Pokemon has never really had a proper 100% consensus on this is a good design and bad design. Pokemon Black and White 2 are some of my favourite games - let me know how you find it!

[@bremaster93]

@@rivalryyyyAfter all this time, I still consider Jinx my least favorite and and I’m not really the biggest fan of food Pokémon. But my copy of Black 2 will be arriving today after waiting 10 long days for it and the first Pokemon game I ever beat on Sunday was Black 1. I’m so late to the party with these DS Pokémon games. I wish I played them during their prime but it’s never to late. 😃

[@tgnm9615]

Imagine Black and White 3 actually have a fusion between Zekrom, Kyurem and Reshiram. Becoming back into one

[@rivalryyyy]

I mean people have wanted the Original Dragon for a long time - It's something that is there waiting for them to use!

[@LinksKat]

Honestly, I don't feel too strongly for Gen 5 remakes or squeals since I never got to play Gen 5 myself unfortunately. But if I had to choose between either or however, I think I prefer a squal set of games revisiting the Gen 5 region again. I mean, at some point, we have to move on from remakes of older games at some point, right?

[@rivalryyyy]

You'd think but the market just gets bigger and bigger for it. Resident Evil have just made their 4th main series remake, Metal Gear Solid are doing it. I don't see where it ends if the money is there for it yanno?

[@challengerjakku1943]

At this point i want legends games to serve as psuedo remakes, with the trend of pokemon remakes becoming more barebones with each generation i shudder to think what a gen 6 remake would look like, given those games hardly have any content to begin with.

[@anonymousanonymous6045]

Actually no the whole black 3 and white 3 idea from fans is stupid I just want black and white remakes the hate for bdsp is so stupid its literally only getting hate because it's from ilca and i definitely don't want to play some tech demo open boring black world legends game again

[@rivalryyyy]

I'm curious as to why you wouldn't be a fan of BW3?

[@AnthonyK93]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say they want a Gen 5 remake, only sequels or a Legends Arceus style prequel

[@fembuss9528]

I remember the days when people thought diamond and pearl wouldn’t get a remake because it was already “up to date” being on the ds lol This was during the waiting era for ORAS

[@rivalryyyy]

It is strange to think how fast time moves and all of a sudden the releases of Pokemon are so long ago. Black and White are over a decade old now......

[@Jakkalope]

Gen 5 is my absolute favorite gen, and I just... really don't think it needs to be remade, and this actually articulates pretty well why I've been so hedgy about it outside of the general "I would prefer them not to rush or farm out remakes that aren't as good as they can be". There's just no reason to. As you said, the generation gimmicks have already proven they're just going to be exclusive or nearly-exclusive to the generations they're introduced in. It's honestly a bit frustrating to be getting to the point where it's like... endless recursive remakes. We've already re-remade Kanto with the Let's Go games, and I'd be willing to bet at least some money that a Johto Let's Go game has been at least seriously pitched, if it's not already in the works. So naturally, I'll see you all in five years for the inevitable Let's Go Hoenn and Gen 6 remakes.

[@rivalryyyy]

The biggest issue is sadly no matter what the business decisions will come 1st so if its financially viable to make Let's go Johto etc that's the route they will take.

[@purpleclaws202]

I want a Legends game so we can finally meet the original dragon. Or a sequel. Pokemon B&W 3 sounds awesome

[@rivalryyyy]

The original dragon is definitely a popular idea here for what everyone want's to see.

[@TheMaskedHero]

Beyond the battle subway having trains for each battle gimmick from Gen 6-9. I would agree that the games have not fundamentally changed for remakes to feel needed.

[@rivalryyyy]

It's still going to happen I think - but yeah I just don't think there's enough fundamental changes outside of that and Fairy Types.

[@Shantosh9550]

I rather they skip the remakes and give us a Legends Kyreum. If they want to do a remake then give one to the Kalos Games that will serve as a Pokemon Z.

[@jackibbotsonferne3896]

We need a remake of the games

[@rivalryyyy]

Would you take a straight remake or would you prefer a sequel?

[@decarabiaumbra560]

I'd love if they just ported the games to switch like you suggested, but they wouldn't be able to milk an extra sixty dollars per copy from it that way. As far as remakes that may happen in gen 9 though, I think XY may actually be remade. This I due to the proximity of kalos to paldea, the amount of kalos media in scarlet and violet, and gamefreaks want to subvert the fanbases expectations every couple of generations, examples being no remake or third installment in gen 5, but sequels instead, and in gen 7 them remaking pokemon yellow instead of diamond and pearl.

[@rivalryyyy]

This is a very good point - If it was just ported they could not charge full price it would have to be less than a £50/$60 range because theres no change from the previous. Remakes for Gen 6 have been quite a popular idea here!

[@aspievoid6288]

Great video! However, I'd like to remind everyone that gamefreak only ever release 1 remake per system: FRLG for the Gameboy advance, HGSS for the ds, ORAS for the 3ds and BDSP for the switch. So it is highly unlikely that we'll see a gen 5 remake before the release of the next generation of Nintendo consoles

[@brimstoner982]

I think the reason why the Gen 4 remakes were not as good as the other remakes is that they were entirely disconnected from the main series games. If someone had BDSP, they couldn't battle their friend with SWSH, So the games had less value because you were missing out on the majority of the Pokemon community (Because the battles in BDSP are almost the exact same as DPP, the only changes were Fairy types and some new items).

[@rivalryyyy]

They do feel really disconnected you are right!

[@Exlayer-pk8hy]

It's entirely because they got rid of the national dex, no point in making the games compatible with each other if not every Pokemon can fight each other.

[@brimstoner982]

@@Exlayer-pk8hy Exactly. I’m still pissed that they decided to cut the dex.

[@LiilYogurt]

I just want Unova again honestly lmao. I dont really care if they do a sequel, BDSP style remake or Legends game, I just want a reason to revisit Unova that isnt the games Ive already played plenty of times.

[@jaidora]

I'm a little late to the party but my honest thoughts on Gen 5 remakes are very cautiously pessimistic. I understand that HGSS were well done remakes and both Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee are remakes of Pokemon Yellow with Pokemon Go as the base identity for experiencing a new revisit to Kanto, ORAS were the last remakes I enjoyed with full optimism. I was bummed out learning that Let's Go was more or less a glorified beta test for the new 3D pokemon models but it still felt charming in its own way, I can't really say the same for BDSP which had a lot of expectations and their approach felt less than lackluster. What makes Gen 5 different from the rest of the entries are the attentions to details from Black and White to B2W2, how similar they are yet different after 2 years have passed, the character arcs that go beyond the standard childhood friend trope and evil organization, and the amount of passion there was when humans were put on the spotlight over the pokemon that inhabited the region. The other problem I have with Gen 5 remakes are what the new Unova will look if Gamefreak decides to give it the 3D graphical treatment, the last pokemon games that pushed pixel art graphics and 3D illusions to its limit at the time with short and repetitive animations that gave each pokemon some personality than being idle 3D models. If there was 1 choice I would send to Gamefreak or Junichi Matsuda for Gen 5 remakes it would be either of these: make a definitive Pokemon Gray that completes the story after B2W2 or make it into the next Pokemon Legends project that focuses on ancient Unova when the region was divided among various groups who hold power in their respective territories. I'm not holding any faith for a decent remake or want to see another one for the next few years but I'm not opposed to having the original games ported over to the switch and provide a few new online features that have been shut down in the past decade.

[@girahira-p9x]

I want gen 6 remakes more than anything, X and Y needs some justice

[@rivalryyyy]

This has definitely been a very popular opinion from what I've seen from this video - It's honestly been so long since I played Gen 6.

[@ado-]

My issue with the port solution is that that does kind of let TPC send a cease and desist to the Kaeru Team people trying to bring back the online features, making it much harder to 100% the originals (maybe legally impossible). But I think it would be cool if it were a Reshiram collection of Black 1 + White 2 + Dream Radar + Dream World and have the Dream World run natively rather than on a website. (Also of course a Zekrom collection with White 1 + Black 2 + Dream Radar + Dream World, because we all know they're going to do a dual release)

[@icecoldkremit]

As much as I understand why you wouldn't want them, I personally still do. I don't have access to emulators, I can't play the original games either as I do not own them, and in all honesty I would prefer remade ones over the originals because personally I prefer the 3d artstyle plus I would love to hear a remastered version of the OST. Also, people keep mentioning sequels that revisit the regions but I disagree with that as well. Sequels? Yes. Same region? I'd rather not. If gamefreak just had one continuous storyline or the events of one region influenced the events in another that would be much better. Getting to fight older gym leaders and champions B2/W2 looked sick, but I want them to be more than just a battle, I want them to actually be a character again. Same with the legendaries, it would be so cool if the other legendaries and what they did had an effect on the story. It would break the constant cycle of the story just being about an evil team who stop you from doing your gym challenge and now it's entirely up to you to stop almost entirelyon your own. Gen 9 finally broke this by making the 'evil' team be completely separate from the gym challenge. I just wish we had better motivation to go somewhere and do something, not the gym challenge. I'd prefer a sequel as it's own generation entirely where characters from previous games can be found, talked to, battled or maybe even play an integral part of the story. I think personally that a sequel revisiting a region just wouldn't work, B2/W2 was able to continue a really good story with another, so that's why it was good. Not every region could have a sequel game, especially not the recent ones in my opinion.

[@jeremiahgreen5632]

My only problem with it is that Gamefreak is mire childish than they were back then, so a BW remake might change some things

[@rivalryyyy]

I am very curious as to how they would handle it going forward, especially after the backlash from Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl.

[@bacd-nn2lg]

Fandom - "We want Gen 5 reamakes". Me - "They should put both B/W, and B2/W2 in one remake game".

[@danstrikker6465]

If they did that and didn't ruin anything id buy it

[@suicidesquats9325]

As if they are gonna listen anyway?

[@rivalryyyy]

......probably not😂. Certainly not from me anyways!

[@Reverendhero]

How would they port ds games though? The ds had 2 screens. When they do things like the virtual console games it isn’t a port, it’s an emulation of the original. They aren’t going to go in and edit the games to make it compatible with a single screen on the switch. The only way to have the ds games is a remake, but if they’re going to continue doing remakes through ILCA like BDSP I don’t want them

[@rivalryyyy]

I'm not entirely sure how it would be done but the Phoenix Wright Games got ported to the switch? So my educated guess was they could figure out some way to do it. Something that doesn't require them to completely remake it but just modify instead?

[@AstralBraixen]

If GameFreak does outsource again, I hope they turn to Genious Sonority like they did with Colosseum and XD. Those games like gen 5 didn't sell well at launch but are liked a lot more now.

[@mattgibson9337]

either generation 5 gets an hd-2d remake with similar quality to that of octopath or they should just re release the games as is on the e-shop, presumably the latter since any remake for gen 5 would require double to effort of any other generation since you need both black/white and black2/white2 for the complete story

[@rivalryyyy]

A Gen 5 trilogy release maybe, similar to Phoenix Wright games (which I have mentioned about 30 times today.....). That way you get the best of both worlds - get to play both the original and its sequel!

[@pyrite2084]

What I find interesting is that I agree with this, just not as intense as some people would think others have, yet hgss is my favorite pokemon games lol.

[@rivalryyyy]

Honestly the thing I have learned the most from doing Pokemon videos is how vastly different every is in terms of opinions.

[@angeldelgado2709]

For me the ideal scenario is we get DS games on NSO, but honestly I don't think that's a realisic option

[@rivalryyyy]

I don't see it happening sadly - I think it should? But theres too much money involved.

[@godspeed5495]

I would love it when it would be 10 years later then from the white and black 2 like they did

[@rivalryyyy]

It is an idea to explore and it would fit the theme of Generation 5. I'd be happy to see it!

[@The_Nintenjones]

Pokemon Black and White sold 11.5 million copies. Scarlet and Violet the most recent mainline games sold over 22 million copies back in March of 2023. The franchise has grown a lot since then. It makes sense to have remakes of games that released 12 years ago that can't be easily obtained anymore and now with the 3DS Eshop closed down. PokeTransporter isn't an option without homebrewing and hacking options. Which while yes anyone could theoretically do, not everyone has the technological knowledge to navigate through all the files for that. So remakes are more needed then not if everyone wants to be able to play these games in a legit fashion to transfer their pokemon up. Or bringing them to the E-Shop on switch would be a good option as well.

[@rivalryyyy]

Bringing them to the switch is probably the best solution in term of finding a way to port it (go from 2 screens to 1), that way people aren't concerned of a remake going wrong and people get to bring pokemon from gen 5 to Pokemon home. Least in my opinion anyways.

[@The_Nintenjones]

@@rivalryyyy I would be happy with a port over or even they gave it the ff1-6 treatment where it's polished to run on switch but it's still the original game.

[@rivalryyyy]

@@The_Nintenjones That's fair - something I would be in support of too. I loved the treatments the old Final Fantasy Games got. Especially Final Fantasy 8 which still stands to be my favourite one (followed closely by 10 and 6)

[@The_Nintenjones]

@@rivalryyyy I just want to be able to play Unova again.

[@MrGalego95]

I completely agree. Remakes were a good idea to update old games that were outdated due to changes in Pokémon mechanics. This was specially urgent for the first two gens. I don't think that ORAS or BDSP were unnecessary, but they weren't as urgent. Anyway, I think the last big change in the mechanics were the physical and special split and that was in the 4th gen. BW are still up to date, IMO.

[@beeceepedia3784]

Hard disagree on whether gen 5 should be made, but I do agree that Gamefreak needs to give themselves more time to actually produce the games. Main argument seems to be that nothing new has been added other than the generational gimmicks, which is just wild to me. We've gone fully 3D after gen 5, and recently, open-world. Overworld Pokemon encounters (especially if done like in Arceus). If you're tunnel-visioned on competitive play, then you're ignoring the sheer amount of abilities and moves and evolutions and items that have been added since gen 5. Shit, just the fact that you wouldn't be forced to have HM slaves clog up your team is gold by itself. Nevermind the many many many many quality of life improvements. The idea of playing Unova with the engine of SV or Arceus sounds fantastic. And regarding gimmicks, Mega Evolutions were in XY, ORAS, and LGPE. They're not exclusive to Kalos, and based on some things Khu has hinted at, the next DLC is probably gonna be tying all of these gimmicks together. I think we may also be getting a new type based on some of the rumors. Frankly, BW is not fun to play if you didn't already grow up with it. A remake would ignite new interest in Unova. It might also encourage Gamefreak to bring back triples battles. That said, I won't even bother getting it if they do to it what they did to BDSP.

[@yunurrahmat]

yes you absolutely right, before Game Freak decide to remake the Gen 5, they must shown to us that they can make a final and complete product. as everyone know, Scarlet and Violent clearly don't finished and completed. and the second point is that they must make a new gameplay changes that stay at least for 3 generations. if they won't do that, then don't remake the Gen 5, or fans will keep hates for any dumb decisions that they doing until now.

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

Pokémon games play great when they are in 2D. 2D anime graphics can work like in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX, but TPCi might not add any new content. They might be on par with BDSP.

[@rivalryyyy]

I actually have a video planned about the Mystery Dungeon games - when I get round to it I don't know but honestly the 1st few I used to play so religiously.

[@La-od3ei]

It’s crazy that I never saw anyone begging Gamefreak to make Unova Remakes when they were asking for an remake for the past two gens

[@abdizur8765]

TBH if we got a Legends Kyurem, I'd be deliriously happy. 😊

[@rivalryyyy]

I think alot of people would agree from what I've seen. I'd be very interested to see how it plays out!

[@abdizur8765]

@@rivalryyyy indeed my friend :)

[@abdizur8765]

@@rivalryyyy my thoughts as well with it being in that ancient time, we could see what the original dragon was when all three were merged.

[@aidenburgess217]

Personally I want a gen 1-4/5 medley, probably in the bdsp engine, that puts all the GB/ds regions in the same place. I wouldn't want 1:1 remakes, but a super region for the Japan based regions.

[@chefdeadpool8481]

Years back I worked on making a romantic hack of gen 5 that did that, but I didn't have to coding skills for it, but I might now, I'll have to look into it. I always thought it would be awesome to go between regions. Have you pick what region to start in, then once you beat it be given the choice to go to another of your choice, but since you don't have any badges for that region you can only bring 1 level 5 pokemon of your choice through customs. Then, once you beat the 2nd region, you then could freely travel between all regions beaten with your full collection or choose to take on yet another region with the same rules.

[@aidenburgess217]

@@chefdeadpool8481 pretty similar to my idea. Was either making you start again each region with a customs system or making the level curve steep with an emphasis on back tracking

[@10640404]

The only problem for remakes of the gen 5 games for me are living up to the quality story wise of the originals. Gen 5 had the best story of the franchise. But I also don’t want them to be like bdsp.

[@rivalryyyy]

I think the backlash they received from BDSP would probably make them more hesitant to take that same route. Just guessing here though.

[@Pufflizard]

Something that wasn't even brought up is that if they even were to make Gen 5 remakes, would they just do Black an White or would they also do Black 2 and White 2 as well? Both these options have cons. The fans would absolutely balk at the idea of just Black and White with no follow up, and the issues with having to develop both sets of games at the same time would only be amplified. Another thing is Pokemon availability. Every remake lets players play with completely different batches of Pokemon, Which has become even more important now that dexit is a thing and not every Pokemon will even be programmed into every game. From what I've noticed, quite a lot of Gen 5 Pokemon are already usable between Gen 8 and Gen 9. Even Legends if we're including Samurott, Lilligant and Braviary. Gen 5 remakes on the Switch wouldn't really serve that purpose well since outside of a handful of Pokemon, most of them can already be caught and used in Sword, Shield, Legends, Scarlet and Violet.

[@blob7180]

I think the best option would be a Legends Arceus style game that goes into Unova’s history, as Unova seems like the perfect region to get that treatment. It’s such a vibrant and full of life region that clearly has rich history. I’d love to see the origins of Castelia and Nimbasa.

[@rivalryyyy]

I think a Unova Legends game will eventually be on the cards. How long till then - I don't know. But with the concept of the Original Dragon in relation to the 3 main ones in Gen 5 - They have a good basis for this already.

[@AlryFireBlade]

8:12 The second one, because I am from germany, and evolution would be pronounced in this way, kind of. The rest is also pronounced a bit different.

[@rivalryyyy]

Ahhhh ok makes sense!

[@joshberg307]

I think there is a reasonable argument for gen 2-3 and 5-6 remakes as they currently dont have switch updates. End of gen 8 was gen 4 focused. I think it would be great to give some of the other games a fresh coat of paint unlike what they did to gen4 that one i think there were some missed opportunities with bdsp. However i do think they are about to shift focus to gen 5 remakes along with a legends kyurem. And im 100% down for that as we have not seen the 100% dragon. I think they will easily tie that with gen 5 remakes then leading to gen 10. I also think nintendo is a genius for creating each of the emulators on the switch and that will cause a reduction in the necessity of remakes. I hope of they do continue this trend of remakes in the gen 6 they also include trips to galar and paldea as we havent seen a gen where they have multiple regions since gen 2 and they should bring that back as well. They could easily do alola and hoenn too

[@CD-Gaming]

Not to mention, emulating Gen. V, you can also experience Drayano's ROM Hacks, BlazeBlack/VoltWhite, which seem to bear the kind of difficulty I now actively want in a game... Maybe that would explain why I enjoy Dark Souls so much... As much as I love the idea of using Greninja and Zeraora in Unova, I can but dream... And we do say "ee-"volution here! (Where are you from? I seem to be finding a lot of fellow Brit's channels recently!)