Why You Shouldn't Trust the Journal of the 501st Legion

[@jamiewalsh3349]

Veteran: As the Rebels fled, the 501st gathered around a burning bunker, and let out a cheer that shook the stars. The Rebellion was done; the Death Star was being rebuilt bigger than ever. Order had finally returned to the galaxy. In no small part due to the efforts of the fighting men of the 501st. Death Star 2 blows up Veteran: ...

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

I wonder if the aging finally caught up to this one after the Battle of Hoth and he retired or died before the Death Star II blew up.

[@Boringspy]

Veteran: … the emperors fleet of planet killing star destroyers were being built!

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

That was all pretty much a ‘what-if’ kind of story when you think about it.

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

Actually. I found out from people that it was canon and the Empire thought they had won only for that to turn on its head.

[@SupremeAdmiralTC-Shark]

What I remember about the rise of the Empire is… is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip; we all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a word.

[@RM-jq5vi]

guess i should’ve expected there’d be a million of these comments just quoting the journal

[@jimmysmith2249]

Was gonna give the comment a like, but noticed it was at 66. Sorry dude, not gonna break it.

[@ryanmann1416]

Don’t forget the “Dip, Dip, Dip, Dip, Dip”

[@MrSwccguy]

Shows how empty clones are

[@shadowjezzter]

@@MrSwccguy more like they dont want to say anything, as they all may be thinking how wrong this is, killing people that help d them though out the war, just for them to be called traitors and killed. Many of em would have doubts, but not knowing how to say it, and more so how to follow orders ad they were brought up to do, is what stopped them. The clones are full of spirit, there is no doubt there

[@huntclanhunt9697]

It makes perfect sense when you think of this: Nobody claims that the narrator is all one person. Most clones have identical or near identical voices. Secondly, a lot of the EU stuff hinted at the accelerated aging being cured. 501st Journal could be a whole bunch of narrators from several different elite units within the 501st all doing missions around the same time across multiple worlds.

[@jordanhendrix2619]

In fact, the Dark Trooper Project explains that many aging clones were forced to undergo cybernetic enhancement to keep them in fighting shape.

[@kingbooomer9231]

Even better, these documentations could’ve been the joint perspectives of veteran or renowned soldiers within the 501st Legion and was written up in a soldier’s informal manual or guide. My personal fan theory is that the narrators are all in the same squad, and was a proficient reserve force to the point where they bounced system to system. By the time Battle of Coruscant broke out, the re-merged with the main 501st (332nd is already on Mandalore) and then redeployed under orders by Palpatine until they re-merged again for Order 66 when the 501st reconsolidated for the Temple Siege

[@Enchie]

The problem is, the narrator of the Journal does give major hints to being the same guy.

[@cadjebushey6524]

How did I never think of that??

[@bayarsejar5831]

Same here and when he was saying the 501st being just pure jango fett clones he could just mean torrent company which is Rex’s company that Anakin always was with

[@indianajones4321]

The 501st journal created one of the greatest video game campaigns of all time

[@michaelandreipalon359]

And one that made sure of BF2 2017's humiliation when it came to its own campaign.

[@zexalbrony4799]

Facts.

[@jordanhendrix2619]

Still mad that they cancelled the BF3 game.

[@indianajones4321]

@@jordanhendrix2619 same

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

It is a fun campaign gameplay wise, and for most of the story, but you cannot forget how it doesn’t really make sense in the context of Star Wars as we know it. The ending which says the Rebellion fell and the Empire came out victorious is mostly just a ‘what-if’ scenario, not the main canon.

[@GottaLovePhilly]

In our bones, we knew the war was almost over. The Galaxy held its breath, waiting to see which side would make the final daring move. As fortune would have it, the Republic moved first. After the Chancellor informed the Jedi Council that General Grievous and the Sep leaders were hiding on Utapau, General Kenobi gathered an army large enough to capture three star systems. When the orders reached the 501st, our morale soared. For better or worse, this would be the beginning of the end."

[@isaackim7675]

The Empire should’ve kept the Clones under a cryofreeze until needed and to help preserve them due to their advanced aging

[@biggsdarklighter0473]

Like they did with commandos? Or the Alphas?

[@sambridgers9543]

@@biggsdarklighter0473 It was the Alpha ARC Troopers.

[@olbradley]

The primary reason why the clone program was discontinued was cost, and putting a million clones into stasis would’ve been incredibly expensive as well.

[@virgiljianu7166]

That would have been quite expensive.

[@isaackim7675]

@@virgiljianu7166 Better than wasting trillions of credits on two planet killers

[@anthonygillette]

Just to argue with the Age portion; I had a coworker in an auto parts manufacturer I delivered for. He was one of the strongest men there and worked 12 hour days at 71 years old. The man then goes to the gym to cap off his days. Clones are the most likely to live healthy and active lifestyles, and the chances of a clone being fit and an able soldier is very very high

[@ninofromkitchennightmares1497]

Okay but they progress rapidly in aging so it doesn’t even matter if they stay fully fit their gone by 50

[@JayAKway]

Yes except your coworker doesn't suffer from rapid aging

[@Miranda17137]

@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 That's his point, even if the clones start their active service at biological age 22, they'd still be fit and fighty at 72, even if their real age is 36. And this makes perfect sense; genetically the clones are the best candidates the Kaminoans could find, and they'd all have extremely good diet, exercise and medical care.

[@47jakobi]

I didn't think that the 501st Journal was supposed to be through the eyes of the trooper, but a retelling of what the 501st as a whole went through. He was on Coruscant, or Felucia, or Mygeeto, and heard the stories his brothers told him from the other planets. At the beginning of the empire the 501st was comprised of only Fett clones, but as time went on they surely became instructors or other positions besides front line soldiers. He avoids explaining that the 501st was now conscripted, telling the story through some of the soldier's eyes that he trained or worked with since he's too old to really fight anymore

[@bwc-chvd]

“I served with those men for over 20 years” - 501st journal, Death Star

[@47jakobi]

@@bwc-chvd "I served with *some* of those men for over 20 years"

[@bwc-chvd]

@@47jakobi still, shows that some clones served well into their 60’s

[@moderndemon84]

@@bwc-chvd I mean,why wouldn't they?

[@jordanhendrix2619]

The Dark Trooper project explains that many aging clones were forced to have cybernetic enhancements to keep them in fighting shape. In fact, this is the same dark trooper variant in the game.

[@reiteration6273]

I really like your take on the journal. It's much better than just "the writers were lazy".

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Watsonian explanations for the win!

[@lordvarrax5060]

Head-canon: The 501st narrator isn’t one clone. It’s several clones who have passed down the job of documenting the lore and history of the 501st legion from one generation of clones to the next, ever since one clone decided to record his experiences in the Clone Wars. Other clones from the 501st added in their experiences on different worlds, and later in service to the Empire. We, the listener, think it’s one clone, but that’s because all Fett clones sound alike to the untrained ear.

[@sambridgers9543]

You know, I think that the timeline inconsistencies regarding the Outer Rim Sieges can be excused by how Revenge of the Sith was initially thought to take place over a longer period of time, like weeks or months, so when you put it in that perspective, it becomes more plausible to have the 501st narrator transferred from Coruscant and Felucia to Kashyyyk and Utapau over that span of time. But even then, there's one thing to note about how Boba Fett's departure from Kamino being about "tracking down a smuggler on Tatooine". At first glance, it's assumed to be a reference to Han Solo, but the thing is Han was born in 29 BBY and would only be 17 by the time of the Kamino uprising. And he still hasn't escaped from Garris Shrike until 10 BBY, on Corellia, BTW, which is as far from Tatooine as you could get. Thankfully, it doesn't refer to Han by name, so it could be a random smuggler, but the insinuation was that it was meant to be Han, in spite of the timeline issues.

[@THE_TN_GUNMAN0311]

Technically ROTS does take place over a few months. If you pay attention to Padmes pregnancy progression. and say she had a natural human birth. ROTS takes place the course of nine months.

[@fabianrocha9924]

@@THE_TN_GUNMAN0311 So I did some research and... Believe it or not apparently it only lasts 4 days Yeah Apparently Padme's dress was hiding it the whole time (From an article I saw(I saw quite a lot but I think this is the one that explains it better)) One prevailing theory is that Revenge of the Sith occurs over seven months given Padmè’s pregnancy. However, her looser clothing hid her growing stomach through most of Revenge of the Sith. The only thing that has gone unexplained is why she waited so long to tell Anakin she was pregnant. Her pregnancy is what fueled the seven-month theory, but given evidence shown in The Clone Wars, the four-day theory prevails, with the film’s falling action occurring either on Day Five or shortly thereafter.

[@THE_TN_GUNMAN0311]

@@fabianrocha9924 If thats the case and granted I never thought about it from that point of view but, I can't argue that. And now I'm curious as to why Padme would've waited so long to tell Anakin. Maybe it because of the constant deployments like Anakin pointed out when he said never thought he'd see her again due to the onslaught of the Outer Rim Sieges which he and Obi-Wan were only brought back due to Palpatine being kidnapped by General Grievous. Idk but that makes alot of sense how you put it. And I'll admit I was in the boat for Padme's pregnancy told the length of time of the events of ROTS. And if what you said is the case. She's been pregnant since probably before the Siege of Mandalore. Or right before Ashoka left the Order.

[@huntclanhunt9697]

Or just have it be several different troopers. All clones are voiced by Morison so it works.

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@fabianrocha9924 The seven-month theory makes a lot of sense because the Outer Rim Sieges lasted six months, so most likely Anakin and Padme did it shortly after her period the month before the Sieges, so Padme wouldn't notice right away, then like a couple of days after Anakin leaves for the Sieges she finds out then he comes back six months later and she seven months to seven and half months pregnant. It also works because from what I heard babies can be born about a month and a half early without too much trouble, since from what I heard babies are usually fully grown by the 30-week mark and are just waiting the last 6 weeks to come out, so it all fits together to make it believe Padme was able to do it early and for Luke and Leia to be healthy and fine. The only thing is why she would wait so long to tell Anakin, I understand that this is something important and special best told in person, but she didn't know how long he'd be gone or if he would survive these grueling battles, so I feel like she should have told him earlier because of that.

[@cioplasmmajic8327]

I kind of assumed the Journal of the 501st actually covered multiple clones' perspectives. They just all share the same voice in the uniformity of the Empire. After all, it's THE journal of the 501st, not A journal of a 501st. A slightly morbid reason for it to end before Endor is that the legion would have been effectively destroyed between the destruction of the Executor, the Death Star, and Ewok assault on the ground.

[@dtxspeaks268]

Or maybe all the Fett clones in the 501st either retired or died like all the other clones by the time of ROTJ

[@blackore64]

Now, the question is, how much of this was contradictionary in 2005? I mean it's pretty well done and justified for a campaign designed to use as many maps as possible made for the game, mostly based on iconic locations from Episode III, and yeah some parts such as Utapau and even the Death Star Prison Break don't really make that much sense, but that's kinda what happens. Kinda wish other writers would have expanded on the interesting parts of the journal like Gizor Delso and Kaminoan Clone rebellion.

[@jordoruiz0001]

I mean, idk what was Captain Rex's first battle, but he served at least from the battle of Cristhopsis (during the first year of the clone wars) all the way to the battle of Endor. He was old, but not senile, and he only was commander for a campaign, between a week and a month. I think is possible for a trooper to be alive and sane during that hell of a military record

[@bwc-chvd]

It wouldn’t be that odd for some skilled old clones to still be on the frontline. Remember Rex was still fighting at 70 years old on endor.

[@dtxspeaks268]

That wasn't Rex on Endor

[@bwc-chvd]

@@dtxspeaks268 in rebels it’s revealed Rex was on endor

[@occam7382]

Well, in his mid-30's, but yeah, he might as well have been 70.

[@bullmoosevelt4495]

@@dtxspeaks268It is canon that the old rebel soldier with a beard is in fact Rex.

[@dtxspeaks268]

@@bullmoosevelt4495 and that's why Disney Canon is nothing but fan service garbage with no logic or reason behind it. The old Rebel solider is in Rex in the real Star Wars canon, only Disney's trash

[@gamerofcomics492]

Their mission to Felucia was to intercept a distress signal sent by the 187th Legion, but they wound up stranded on the planet for months. They were rescued and seen off by Aayla Secura before the Battle of Felucia actually started. They were sent to Mygeeto for an extraction mission so that they could retrieve the power crystals which Darth Sidious would eventually need to help power the future Death Star. These Clones were present during the Battle of Utapau, and they were sent in to infiltrate Utapau's cities and wipe out as many Battle Droids as they could and take out the CIS's heavy guns so that the 212th Attack Battalion could land. Clone Troopers aboard capital ships didn't only serve as pilots, but also as Clone Marines which were typically sent out to infiltrate the enemy capital ship. The 501st Legion was sent to Kashyyyk to hold the front lines and win a temporary victory so that Yoda, Luminara Unduli, Quinlan Voss, and the 41st Elite Corps could land safely so that they could aid the Wookiees. Also keep in mind that even Clones age into their physical differences, and some no longer had the strength to fight while the rest of them did. Revenge of the Sith actually takes place over the course of about 3 - 4 days. There actually were different detachments of the 501st sent across the Galaxy and they actually served under multiple Jedi, but they were only loyal to the Supreme Chancellor. They weren't placed under the command of Anakin Skywalker until after he was granted the title of Darth Vader. While Jango Fett clones were phased out of the Empire, it was a very slow process and the vast majority of the Stormtrooper corps still comprised of Fett clones while others were cloned from different templates or were born naturally. Many Fett clones had different voices and accents, and there were Clones that appeared taller and shorter than others. The Clone mentions that the Death Star II was under development, he never said it had been built and it seems likely that he retired after the Battle of Hoth and had no need to keep writing in his journal. I don't think a Clone Trooper would have any reason to give his private journal to the Empire to be used as propaganda, and Palpatine wouldn't have much of a reason to do so as he sees the Empire's soldiers as nobodies and as cannon fodder. Only Fett clones and Jango himself would have the voice of Temuera Morrison in Star Wars, so we can safely say that the narrator is indeed a Clone veteran.

[@dtxspeaks268]

I mean, Fordo, Scorch, Advisor, Sev and Fixer all had different voices despite being Fett clones. Unless they're DNA was mixed with the DNA of other Mandalorians?

[@gamerofcomics492]

@@dtxspeaks268 Normal Fett Clones still had different voices and accents.

[@jordanhendrix2619]

My personal head canon is that they were different detachments and many of them different narrators. The aging part is explained by lore, though, as the Dark Trooper project forced many aging clones to undergo cybernetic enhancement to keep them in fighting shape. And retcons explained that Vader specifically mandated that the 501st remain pure. So…that’s an inconsistency they at least tried to fix. All that said, this was a quality video!

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Personal journals are more historical accounts of events that happen in a first person point of view, but one must remember that these were written by individuals that have unbiased opinions of those events, and sometimes they paint themselves in more favorable light rather pointing out the flaws of those events.

[@lentlemenproductions770]

*biased, the word you’re looking for is biased

[@alexgaelsotorodriguez3870]

4:40 The journal even says that they had been stationed months in Felucia lol

[@geetslys]

a Felucian month must last 10 minutes lol

[@MexicanBagpiper96]

In my head Canon, always saw it as a compilation of Journal entries from different junior officers and NCOs. Remember that unlike in Canon, where it was just an infantry Battalion, in Legends the 501st was a Special Missions Unit the the size of a small division specifically commissioned by Palpatine to carry out missions specific to his agenda. It would then make sense that the unit would be broken down into detachments to be able to execute several operations at a time.

[@occam7382]

Well, even in Canon, the 501st Legion is a full-on brigade, which is about 10,000 men strong. It's just that in The Clone Wars, what we usually see is the 332nd Company, aka Torrent Company, which was led by Captain Rex and only 144 men strong. It's entirely possible that much of the rest of the brigade was split up and on assignment on multiple fronts during the Clone Wars, such as at the end when the majority of the Legion was deployed to Coruscant with Anakin, while Torrent Company and a smaller portion of the Legion was deployed with Ahsoka under Rex's command to Mandalore.

[@MexicanBagpiper96]

@joshuadavis9051 10,000 is more a small Division than a Brigade. You can split that into a few Regiments or Brigades, or a mix of both. It makes sense in the first TCW season and movie where we never see Rex with more than a company's worth of men. But then on Umbara, he clearly has at least a Battalion's worth of men. A Captain as a Battalion Commander is unusual, but not unheard of, especially supposing for, the sake of argument, that Rex's CO was killed and the position needed to be filled ASAP, and he was the most qualified candidate. What I don't get is why they didn't make the 332nd a Battalion instead of a company. Rex already Had Vaughn under his Command. I've never seen it officially, but a lot of TCW fans speculate that the 501st is a brother Battalion to the 212th in the 7th Sky Corps. I'm not sure. TCW confuses me a lot in this aapect.

[@occam7382]

@@MexicanBagpiper96, in the GAR, a brigade was around 9,000 men strong. And if the 501st Journals are at all accurate, the 501st was often split up, fighting on several different battlefronts. The reason we likely don't see much of the 501st outside of Torrent Company until the Battle of Umbara in The Clone Wars is that up until then, we usually see the 501st engage in relatively small-scale missions where you don't need much more than a company's worth of men. Teth, Naboo, Skytop Station, Orto Plutonia, Saleucami, Lola Sayu, etc., are all good examples of this. And when the 501st are seen at major battles, like Christophsis, Malastare, and Geonosis, they're always fighting alongside other units, like the 212th, 41st, and 91st. When Umbara comes around, the 501st are participating in a massive planetary-scale invasion, and are operating pretty much by themselves. So naturally, we'd see a larger force of them during that campaign. While Rex was only de-jure in command of Torrent Company, given how he was Anakin Skywalker's clone liasion officer, he was de-facto in charge of the entire 501st Brigade, while de-jure command of that fell to Ahsoka, and later Appo. I don't think Torrent Company was the only 501st subunit to be involved in the Siege of Mandalore, they were just to core of that force, which was perhaps a few battalions strong, which is why Rex got promoted to Commander, while Vaughn was made CO of Torrent proper.

[@-phantastictin-665]

I thought the same way too. TO make it work in my head I decided to believe that each journal was from a different clone’s perspective 😅

[@stardragon7893]

I think the best explanation is that the entries were written by different people, all Fett clones serving in the 501st, but not the same individual. There could have been detachments on Mygeeto, Felucia, etc., that were recalled to attack the Jedi Temple, for example. This would also explain how there are entries from the Galactic Civil War; they're the work of younger clones.

[@xSoulhunterDKx]

It’s not canon

[@stardragon7893]

@@xSoulhunterDKx It was.

[@tristynbishop6158]

Clone Wars show 501st: a cleaner version of the journeys of the 501st in a third-person view or Rex Also the 501st: the unabridged and uncensored version of the War's bloodiest battles

[@occam7382]

Umbara would like to have a word with you.

[@Fleechin]

The behind the scenes story of the clone narrator clearly being told to embellish his story combined with the imperial propaganda team splicing it all out of order is a fanfic I'd gladly read

[@occam7382]

That would be f*cking awesome.

[@tk-6967]

That wouldn't make sense given how he spoke about Aayla Secura

[@occam7382]

@@tk-6967, what?

[@tk-6967]

@@occam7382 His positive thoughts on Aayla would be against Imp protocol. The Empire hated on Jedi for any reason at all, even if they were planetary saviours or Republic heroes, the Emperor demanded that some obvious bs about them be made up. For example, Plo Koon was executed before he could kamikaze into children's hospital (which is the building he crashes into, or something along those lines) which contained hundreds of children taking shelter from the fighting.

[@occam7382]

@@tk-6967, good point. I feel like that would probably be something that the narrator himself slipped in that the propaganda team missed. But I still see where you're coming from.

[@jacobwaber2594]

the way the clones turned during order 66 in the Journal was far more emotional and humanizing than the now cannon with version with the chips.

[@arcadianstudios7705]

Quite honestly. On one hand, I respect you bringing this to my attention. Thank you, you help make my star wars knowledge increase. On the other hand, I kinda don't care cause of how good the game is. I still thank you for bringing it to my attention though

[@wrathsinful6389]

If he truly was in his 70's, it makes sense that the story has embellishments.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Maybe he was serving as an officer instead of being on the frontlines.

[@moderndemon84]

@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 Maybe.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@@moderndemon84 yeah.

[@VoicefulRiver]

Geetsly's is easily the best channel for in depth SW content. If there's a question about something in the Lore, they've probably answered it. Or they will at some point.

[@dtxspeaks268]

Both Greestly and 100% Star Wars are probably the only few Star Wars Lore channels that are consistently putting out quality content and don't rely on clickbait, deadhorse theories or controversies to get views

[@katyushatman5187]

stormtroopers might have know about the 2nd death star way before the battle of endor, because there were stormtroopers and other personel stationed in that station, also the construction of that scale takes time, even at the battle of endor the station is unfinished, just the weapon system to eliminate the rebels was functional

[@brother_bear_one7340]

Was it specified that all the journal entries came from a single clone?

[@moderndemon84]

Nope.

[@nickvinsable3798]

🤔 . . . Honestly, I think that the 501st journal is written by different clones, all Official members of the 501st legion. A clone in each detachment of the 501st made an entry, likely surviving the individual battles themselves, & was archived, especially for military academy study. The youngest clone of the 501st could’ve been added to the unit just before the Kamino uprising, the Clone Rebellion, which would actually readjust how young one of the last Fett clones were by the Battle of Hoth. As for Fett Clones being pilots, I honestly believe that their Field experiences actually justifies why they fly. However, the space battles they did fly during the days of the Empire were due to the cowardices of the newer, younger starfighter pilots (the brave ones likely got jumped over Mustafar & couldn’t fight because of that ambush), thus the 501st jumped into action. And the primary reason for Yavin, much like Mustafar, was out of desperation. As for the epilogue, I’m in agreement that the knowledge of the Second Death Star would lead into that Propaganda line, but I disagree. The ground forces on Endor were members of the 501st, thus I wouldn’t be surprised that an aging clone, maybe a clone year older or younger than Rex (the Rebel Guerrilla who put on the Scout-Trooper outfit), made the entry & was successfully transmitted just before the Battle of Endor commenced…

[@trail-wolf4x4]

I agree with this, the Journal is just different troopers in different stages. With clone troopers providing training to the new Stormtroopers, one may have shown this record to them to start their own. The 501st is on its value a singular entity

[@pizzapatriot1769]

I actually really like this head cannon because it makes a lot of sense and fits that everyone stayed as pure fett clones. Although I would say that the way the game frames it, they really make it seem one guy went through all of those battles. I mean, technically the clones are just one guy but you get the point.

[@CouncilCape897]

Hmm. Makes sense. I can get behind this headcanon. Small correction, though: Rex is *NOT* the bearded Rebel soldier who disguised himself as a Scout Trooper. In both Legends and Canon, his name is stated to be Nik Sant. Back in 2018, Filoni confessed in an interview that he was aware of the fan theory that Nik Sant was Rex, and was even inclined to canonize it, but he changed his mind.

[@nickvinsable3798]

Well, in the epilogue of _Star Wars: Rebels_ , the narrator expresses that Rex did participate in the Battle of Endor. Even if its not the same man, 🤷‍♂️, @@CouncilCape897…

[@CouncilCape897]

@@nickvinsable3798 I'm aware. I'm just debunking the theory as a misconception. And like you said, Sabine only vaguely mentioned that Rex participated in the battle, which doesn't confirm his being Nik Sant.

[@jumpshippilot6909]

I always figured that they were clones so it was multiple journals from multiple clones and not necessarily the same one

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Wasn't it mentioned before that the chapters in the journal were possibly written by different clones? Also maybe the narrator or narrators were serving as officers away from the frontlines, watching the battles from video feeds from imperial bases or a star destroyer.

[@BrownFoxWarrior]

Even with the old lore, it never really fit quite right. But it does make sense for the game to string it all together into one batch of experiences for consistency. Since it did that reasonably well, the lore breaks never really bothered me.

[@dtxspeaks268]

I think it's also because this campaign is apart of the CWMMP, which predates both TCW and Disney Canon. CWMMP also tended to ignore other Legends lore and mostly made stories that made sense in the context of the films and itself.

[@danielferrieri7434]

Video Idea: Why Finn is the Best Star Wars Sequel Character

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Nah, that would be Poe Dameron.

[@Brickbuilder0506]

"The beautiful of the yet broken 501st timeline narrator"

[@JACOBITE-1745]

We could look at it as being an old trooper, with the advanced aging having distorted memories.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

If I was told to write a Canon version of the novel instead of a Legends one, I would have the first few entries be of the 501st Legion meeting their leaders Anakin and Ahsoka, and trying to get used to their dynamic. Some battles would include the Battle of Ryloth in space, the Second Battle of Geonosis, the Battle of Kamino, the Battle of Umbara, and then comes the Battle of Coruscant and the Siege of the Jedi Temple. That would be the Clone Wars portion. For the Imperial portion, the first entry would be about the 501st during the first two years of the Empire serving under Vader and destroying a Separatist Holdout. After that the clones are phased out with the journal writer being one of the “lucky” few to stay on as a training instructor. Maybe an entry would have his training facility attacked and the clone proves himself in battle enough to be made a stormtrooper in the 501st. He then fights in battles we see Vader and the 501st in during the Original Trilogy with the last entry being about the Battle of Endor. The clone somehow escapes the battle while the Rebels and Ewoks capture everyone else and destroy the Shield Generator, but his fate is left ambiguous. Does he get found by Ewoks and eaten? Does he die in some last stand against the Rebels? Does he surrender to them? Does he return to what’s left of the Galactic Empire? Or does he disappear to go live a regular life? The Clone Wars portion of the journal would be a mix of grey as the clone will be experiencing vicious battles against battle droids and serving under Anakin means he may give orders to do morally questionable stuff, but the clone will be happy since he has his brothers and his Jedi leaders and at times even saves lives. The Imperial portion at first feels the same. While the clones are initially under the control of the inhibitor chips and no longer serve the Jedi, the clone views Vader as being like Anakin. And since he’s fighting a Separatist Holdout, it feels just like the Clone Wars. He gets upset with the destruction of Kamino and his kind being phased out, as well as being a training instructor instead of a soldier, but he becomes happy again when he proves himself in battle and rejoins the 501st. Over time though, his feelings become more mixed. Few other stormtroopers respect him because he’s a relic of a failed age in their eyes. He becomes a little uneasy with the atrocities the Empire orders him to do. He also has to go back to being a number instead of having a name. Still, his loyalty to the Empire and need for a purpose hold out until Endor. Like the Legends journal, he sees Hoth as the beginning of the end of the Rebellion, but Endor surprises him as a small Rebel Strike Team and the Ewoks defeat his elite unit and the Rebel Fleet destroys the Death Star. The journal ends with him not sure what to believe and wishing to go back to the good old days when everything seemed so simple for him. And you’re left to wonder what happens to him after the last entry.

[@dtxspeaks268]

Why do the Clones always have to be morally good though. Why not have the Clone support the Empire's atrocities? I think the Clone slowly losing his morality seems far more interesting than him being misunderstood and good. Although the only inconsistency would be how the Clone would be on Endor? 99% of Clones were either retired or dead by the time of ROTJ.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

@@dtxspeaks268 First of all, most clones served under the Jedi who treated them with respect, unlike in Legends. So on average a clone leans more morally good, though they probably wouldn’t have issue with executing prisoners and other war crimes if it helps the operation. The Empire’s war crimes never helped it in the long run, so even if clone’s don’t disagree morally, they’re going to get fed up with how the Empire keeps taking the path of most resistance. Also, like I typed above, the clone is at first quite supportive of the Empire. Gunning down POW’s, destroying the homes of collaborators, and arresting anybody assisting insurgents is something he could get behind. But eventually the Empire’s atrocities as we know just reach a heinous level even for the CIS and Galactic Republic. I just see more clones getting fed up with the Empire over time. Clones who are really loyal even after all the messed up years just seem like a minority by that point. Sure, being a clone in the Empire by the second decade of it already is a minority as most clones were phased out. Anyways though, even if clone troopers are nowhere near as saintly as their Jedi leaders, including even Rex and the Bad Batch, they just don’t come off as monsters. When they were first created, they would follow an order without question or objection, but after the Clone Wars, they’ve served with the Jedi for years and witnessed the horrors of war. It makes me think most of them draw the line with the Empire at some point, because unlike the stormtroopers before them, they have experience.

[@dtxspeaks268]

@@tristankawatsuma8962 ik what you're saying, but this whole idea of a Clone being a goodie 2 shoes is done to death and you know what? Rex and Bad Batch aren't representative of all Clones. You to forget that Fox and Baccara are nowhere near being morally good. And then there's the fact Delta Squad had problems killing Geonosian hatchlings. All I'm saying is not every Clone needs to be Disney-fied and be good. An evil Clone or two is more interesting than your average Rex or Bad Batch.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

@@dtxspeaks268 Okay, okay, saying all clones are good is of course too much on my end. I’m just saying that on the morality scale, most clones and I say most clones at least in Canon lean more the good side in the grey zone. Whenever I imagine clones after being phased out by the Empire, I view most as sitting around instead of taking up arms against the Empire because there are no cells. Clones aren’t leaders at heart, mostly followers. It was how the Kaminoans made them. Now of course I have no idea how many clones served under Jedi and how many clones served under Republic officers. In all honesty, I’m just assuming most clones served under the Jedi. Besides in my original comment, I did readers would have to just wonder what the clone does after Endor. Deserts the Empire? Surrenders to the Rebels? Regroups with the Empire?

[@user-yq9im9dk9z]

@@tristankawatsuma8962 we have a canon story that has a jaded clone instructor who puts stormtrooper recruits through hell

[@TheBasedTyrant]

The only real problem with this interpretation (and it is nitpicking) during the second battle on Kashyyk the Narrator does not make light of the fact that there objective is the opposite of what it was originally, they are returning to subjugate the wookies instead of fight as allies to them, he also is far more blunt about their imminent betrayal of the Jedi before Knightfall and generally didn't paint the Jedi as the villains that imperial propaganda would normally suggest. For these reasons I can say with near certainty that this theory was not the intended idea, but it does account for the logical inconsistencies at least.

[@dtxspeaks268]

Or maybe the Clone had neutral or hostile feelings towards the Jedi and Wookies and was conveying them thr nicest way possible

[@sambridgers9543]

Oh, boy. I can already see the debates between the Republic, Confederacy, Rebellion, and Empire stans, probably a four-way conflict in the worst-case scenario.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

Reason 1: The Trooper seemingly bends space and time to get to at least half of Revenge of the Sith's battles... Although at least the Mygeeto one works because it lasted 2 standard years.

[@necronustheeverchosen1994]

My first day as a member of the 501st... it was hot. Sandy. Chaotic. Nothing at all like the simulations on Kamino. Of course, that was pretty much the way it was for all of us, wasn't it. All that breeding... all those years of training. It doesn't prepare you for the screaming or the blood, doesn't it? Frankly, I'm still amazed that we made it through the first hour, never mind the first day.

[@Mobysimo]

Yeah I never trusted this guy's journal even before things about Order 66 were changed/explained. Like... How did he know all of Palpatine's plan? Why would Palpatine ever give out information like that to some random ass clone trooper? He makes it sound like he knew from the start what Palpatine's endgame was

[@moderndemon84]

Perhaps he was a commander or he understood the endgame after the CW was over.

[@dtxspeaks268]

Some Clones were very close to Palpatine and operated under his direct command ie Coruscant Guard, Clone Assassins, Clone Commandos, and Clone ARCs. But yeah, a random Clone trooper or even Officer wouldn't know about Palpatine's end game. Well yet again, the journal was told in past tense so maybe the clone pieced everything together?

[@moderndemon84]

@@dtxspeaks268 Exactly.

[@SagaciousNihilist]

For a long time the clone of the Journals was said to be Commander Appo of the 501th, if you know his lore than him being in the know makes sense.

[@butterdog7236]

An explanation for this is that it wasn't actually the 501 that went on all these battles but it was actually Commander Faie's unit which consisted of clones from a bunch of different Legions that we see in Battlefront 2 so it wasn't actually the 501 but rather a small attachment part of Commander Faie's unit

[@ninofromkitchennightmares1497]

He isn’t apart of the 501st though And it still makes no sense for them to be fighting on both utapau,Felicia,kashyyk and Coruscant all at once

[@BerserkerX]

When I was a kid I always thought it was Jango Fett narrating. Even though Aotc was my favorite movie at the time. I just rolled with it and loved hearing Morrison's voice

[@baki484]

Imagine a game where we play as a clone trooper in the battle of Jabimm is what we need as we watch our fellow clone brothers and jedi alike are dying. Who's with me?

[@trail-wolf4x4]

I've long wondered more so if this is a multitude of journals from different troopers and the Narrator is just compiling them for the Archives of the New Republic.

[@jaiswole8709]

I like to see it as sorta like a mission log from all the things the 501st did, this means it can still be accurate as many different divisions could have carried out the missions and the commanders could have left personal insights in the log. As for the narrator well they could just be someone telling us that story even if they weren’t involved in all of it

[@zachywachy9492]

I always thought it possible that the journal could’ve been told from the perspective of multiple clones from different divisions of the 501st. It’d explain how they were present on multiple fronts of the clone wars, but it’s still hard to say how there were any clones on Hoth

[@dtxspeaks268]

Maybe the clone that was present on Poliss Massa, Death Star, Tantive IV, Yavin, and Hoth was the last of his kind that was still in service?

[@dakotalange2858]

I viewed it as journal of the 501st not an individual trooper like a record of all the fights they were in

[@PhoenixFires]

In Battlefront 2's gameplay you die and come back as different classes. The 501st Journal recounts the lives of various different 501st members.

[@degozako]

When looking over this campaign, I reasoned that since its the "Journal of the 501st", it must be a compilation of multiple entries. They're clones; they all sound the same, meaning we could be hearing stories from multiple clones, from multiple detachments of the 501st. The GAR was thinly stretched during the war. There was no way the same platoon/same soldier saw all the action and didn't die.

[@neofulcrum5013]

Considering the rebellion won at endor, it’s easy to discount the journal.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Further proving the imperial propaganda theory.

[@elijahblechman8633]

@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 yeah isn't there a portion of the game claiming they won at endor?

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@@elijahblechman8633 also worth considering the rise of the new republic.

[@nofacedgoldfish6216]

"What I remember about the rise of the Empire is, is how quiet it was..." *marching, loud music from Vader's MP3 player, blaster fire, lightsaber deflects, screams of death, etc.*

[@jgphoenix4404]

I agree with pretty much all of the video, but since this is a Journal of the 501st as a whole, there could be multiple narrators. They don't all have to be the same clone.

[@goldeagle6431]

Don’t trust the journal. Trust the Senate.

[@amanzeihedioha]

Don't trust the Senate. Trust the chips and the 🐁

[@ulester3092]

Good soldiers follow orders

[@forthencholordofadmirals2763]

The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed, but my resolve has never been stronger.

[@physical_insanity]

Trust the "experts."

[@RockFan98]

Between this and the Quiet On Set Doc. My entire childhood has now come into question lol

[@zexalbrony4799]

I think there is a way some of the Clone Wars inconsistencies can still work. One of the most popular theories is it was different detachments of the 501st sent to some of these simultaneous battles led by different commanders because of how many the 501st had. Also, I'm pretty sure they put Felucia out of order because I know for a fact that battle started before Courscant's battle did and was on going battle for a few days before Order 66 happened and the war ended. So it is completely possible for the 501st to be at Felucia without causing problems(if the game had put the correct order in by putting Felucia before Courascant like I did in that playlist I made of all the major Outer Rim Siege battles in mostly chronological order), and it also makes sense lore-wise since Felucia was in Sector 12, which constantly needed to keep pulling units from other Sectors and divisions because the Sector 12 Clones kept getting killed and losing ground. So it's completely possible, even in the new Canon, that Anakin sent some 501st Troops to aid Aayla and Bly's forces at Felucia, I'd personally think Rex would lead the troops here in the new Canon if they kept this since he previously worked with Aayla and Bly and also fought in the first two battles of Felucia, and after they did enough to help they were called back to help Anakin and Obi-Wan with another battle during the Outer Rim Siege like Anaxes, Cato Nemodia, or whatever. Also, for why they were pilots at the battle of Yavin, I'm pretty sure it was just the survivors of the Death Star hooking up with some nearby Imperial forces that heard what had happened and came to help. These forces were probably just the closest in the area and were most likely not the best or most fully equipped for a planetary invasion and battle, they were just the closets, so it makes sense they would need extra pilots in the form of the 501st.

[@nostalgicvibes3122]

Typical separatist lies - 501st Trooper

[@ulester3092]

Never trust a clanker

[@seanfarrell6386]

Perhaps it isn't the same clone but a cronical Journal of the 501st Legion of their Record of History of the Unit with different clones adding to it.

[@smorkverify]

I read the text on the thumbnail as “The beautiful of the yet broken 501st timeline narrator”

[@Tarkburz]

In my headcanon narrator became phase one Dark Trooper (they are in the game) so that slows down his ageing

[@PhoenyxAshe]

I seem to remember reading/watching/listening to a theory that while it was presented as a single soldier, it was actually a collection of logs, hence "Journal of the 501st", rather than "Journal of CT####". This does not negate the concept of the Journal being propaganda - if anything, it reinforces it. And while I have not played the game, all the quotes I have come across (here and elsewhere) lead me to agree with the quick assessment at the end - it wasn't likely compiled by a clone, either. If I wanted to indulge in a bit of lore-building of my own, I'd say the initial author wasn't even a soldier. I can picture an Imperial clerk, someone who had dreams of being a soldier, but well, insert whatever medical issue that kept him from doing so. One day, while digging through the archives, he stumbles onto a collection of clone journals - records uploaded by rote, and forgotten over time. He starts by just reading them, collecting and copying them on his own time. Somewhere in this, he started "adding" to them, using more current records, but from what he viewed as a clone's perspective. Essentially, it became a fanfic, with a self-insert "Clone" as the sole narrator. What happened to this clerk? Not sure... but at some point his work was discovered, likely just after Palpatine's death, but before the Empire collapsed, by someone with a little more direct military knowledge. This person saw the potential, and did a bit of discrete editing... and there you have it, "instant" propaganda material.

[@oriongear2499]

*501st

[@PhoenyxAshe]

@@oriongear2499 Thanks for the catch. My typing has been a bit wonky of late.

[@Furonanator139]

The campaign so legendary and well written that I've never played it and I know a bunch of the lines and can recall the narrators voice easily

[@eddieram435]

The Journal of the 501st is better than anything Disney has created so far.

[@jdpragmatic8644]

If you move the Coruscant Orbital mission to right before the Utapau it would make some more sense

[@laisphinto6372]

thats some mental gymnastics especially when the kamino journal is included there

[@bobafett1313]

It definitely makes sense that it’s different clone narrators because you can tell one clone in the skies of Kashykke talks ill of the wookies while the clone on the ground discusses them as magnificent. Then the clone during operation Knightfall sounding somber while before hand the clones working with the Jedi besides Ayla and Yoda talked as if they were the bad guys. I think it’s different clones and has nothing to do with propaganda. I also think getting a perspective from the Empire and clones was amazing and we could definitely use more of it in future projects.

[@zebwhitt8056]

As a kid i always thought Rex or Appo was the narrator.

[@CouncilCape897]

Yeah, Appo would've made a lot of sense. Sadly, he died just 1 month after Revenge Of The Sith in Legends continuity.

[@zebwhitt8056]

@@CouncilCape897 I'm wondering if he survived in Canon and counted serving under vader would be cool to have him fight Rex but that will most likely be saved for Cody.

[@CouncilCape897]

@@zebwhitt8056 It's possible. I initially didn't think Cody would have a prominent role after the Clone Wars ended since he remained on Kamino as a trainer to both clones and recruited soldiers for the Empire in Legends. But now that the cloning facilities have been destroyed in the current Canon, he might be transferred to a more active role. Would be nice to see the dynamic between him and Vader without revealing he's Anakin. And since there's a time gap between the end of the main events of Rebels and its epilogue after the Galactic Civil War, there's still space for an aged Cody to stumble upon Rex during the OT.

[@kylemahan9145]

I like to think the 501st Journal is a collective of different clones describing the battles they were in, but narrated by one clone re-living the old days of the war

[@Mr152008]

I always thought of the Journal campaign as an alternate history of events. The reason why there are no missions after Hoth is because the Empire really did win. Thanks to your efforts, enough transports were destroyed that there was never a chance for the Rebellion to come back in Ep 6. This is why we see the second Death Star successfully completed

[@nameynamename3758]

THE BEAUTIFUL OF THE YET BROKEN SOIST TIMELINE NARRATOR

[@GustavusAdolphus2]

I read the thumbnail as "the beautiful of the yet broken 501st timeline narrator"

[@FranciscoMartinez-xv9yw]

My personal headcanon is that every single chapter of the diary, is a separate clone. This makes sense with the 501st being all over the galaxy, and creates a chilling effect because a broad cross section of the unit show anti jedi sentiment and seem to almost relish in putting down rebellions. They all sound the same because they’re all fett clones. And the “pure” may include the second batch of non kaminoan clones who are considered pure vs human recruits, although this is purely speculative.

[@mamstarstorm]

Sidious: It's Treason then......... Ignites lightsaber and jumps through the room with a force scream

[@BennyLlama39]

Cam: "That's just our theory--" Me: A game theory! No, wait-- wrong channel. 😀

[@darthbane5357]

The beautiful of the yet broken 501st timeline narrator

[@irondoggo8572]

I like the idea that the narrator is a fett clone in a retirement home telling the story to a reporter or journalist, and the inconsistencies are just a side effect of cloning process having the memories of other clones who died, so he thinks he served in all those battles when in reality he didn't and due to his age is remembering everything thinking its his own memories

[@jacenskywalker507]

*"My first day as a member of the 501st: it was hot, it was sandy, chaotic. Nothing at all like the simulations on Kamino. Of course that's pretty much the way it was for all of us, wasn't it? All that breeding, all those years of training; it doesn't really prepare you for all the screaming, or the blood, does it? Frankly I'm still amazed we ever made it through the first hour, never mind the first day."* Every single time I play through the Prologue of Classic Star Wars: Battlefront II (EU), those words hit really hard, letting you know how much of a hell the First Battle of Geonosis was, for not only the entire Grand Clone Army of the Galactic Republic, but the 501st Legion themselves....and they were one of the Top Five greatest and most elite detachments in the entire Army, so you know how much of a bloodbath it was from everyone's point of view and perspective. Bottom line, Classic Star Wars: Battlefront II (EU) was a gem, not only of its time, but of all time ever.

[@chaoticdragons9990]

Rex was a part of the battle of endor so it's possible for a first generation clone to do so.

[@scaredscorpion]

An alternative interpretation could be that the narrator was killed with the second death star. Hence why the story only goes up to hoth

[@DirtWolfLifts]

THE BEAUTIFUL OF THE YET BROKEN 501ST TIMELINE NARRATOR

[@physical_insanity]

In regards to the Clone Veteran's age, it's not impossible for a 70 year old to be as fit and capable as a much younger man, in fact it's more than plausible. People who live fulfilling a purpose generally live longer, are much healthier and fitter and perform better than people who don't have a purpose. Retirement is one of the leading causes of death in old age, and a Clone Veteran who's been serving for 25 years is probably doing so with a purpose, not to mention he's bred from Jango Fett, who's genes are top of the line material. It makes sense that the Empire would want to keep someone like that around, since a veteran fighter is incredibly valuable.

[@AvoidAlliteration]

The beautiful of the yet broken 501st narrator timeline. . . You've fallen for one of the classic blunders

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Let me guess, the The Walking Dead door?

[@40KBoss]

Ok. Here's a theory: Phase-0 dark troopers were the one of the two elite Iperial units. He absolutely was in figthing age until at least the time skip to the rebellion. After that, well... let's just say he probably mained the unit with the jetpack. As for how he was in so many places: I'm willing to bet they migth just have copied memories from the different clones onto each other, or sliced together multiple brains to give the remaining clones left more experience and make up for the aging as much as possible. The death star part is the easiest: He's a member of the 501st. He migth just be better informed than your average Imperial, or he migth have accompanied Vader on an inspection at some point, or done a brief tour as a guard as they did with the last one. Or it migth even be explained by this next part... As for the piloting and the whole "501st being pure" part. Even after the Republic became the Empire they still needed time to recruit the new pilots so their continued starfigther service makes sense up untill the time skip. After that, hes a dark troper so probably still perfectly capable and willing of flying combat missions, and maybe even better than the other pilots to boot. That leaves the whole 501st clone thing. Well... the participants (victims) of the Phase-0 dark trooper project were not volunteers. I'm willing to bet that... "modifications" were needed in order to maintain loyalty. The Fets were, in fact, phased out, save for the remaining dark trooper specialist, his perception has just been "altered" and he just sees his brothers. That, or his aging clone brain is finally giving out and he's just going senile at the end, recounting accounts of his brothers as his own, forgetting the phase out of the Fet clones and the defeat of the Empire. Or maybe it's just all bullshit propaganda. I don't know, but I like my theory.

[@AJ_Sparten1337]

It could be reasonable to assume that the 501st Journal is a recollection of events from various clone sources instead of just one. That would also justify some of the inconsistencies.

[@tk-6967]

or it is just Appo, which is my headcanon

[@AJ_Sparten1337]

@@tk-6967 Didn’t Appo die a few years before the first Death Star blew up?

[@oriongear2499]

@@AJ_Sparten1337 In Legends, he died in 19 BBY on Kashyyyk. In Canon, his current status is unknown.

[@bigdoubleu117]

If Rex was still fighting all the way in Return of The Jedi, then so can other clones.

[@daltonloges99]

Honestly, it makes more sense to look at the journel as collective journal of the 501st legion than a journal of one Clone trooper. In addition, you can chock the smaller in consistancies to the "unreliable narrator" trope since the journal uses a first person perspective.

[@lucasart328]

i think each starwars movie show etc follow its own canon

[@AngelDust6969]

"In short, the Journal of the 501st is Imperial Propaganda." Legit been thinking this since I first played the game. (Not joking, I think I even stated this on previous videos of yours in regards to the journal). For me, the journal was likely, as you suggested, created for the purpose of rallying troops following Endor. This doesn't necessarily invalidate everything stated in the game, as the events happened, but not exactly how the journal describes them. (example: Every mission in the journal happened, just with lots of differences. Namely, every battle save for maybe Coruscant and Operation Knightfall featured clone groups other than the 501st. The 21st Nova Corps on Mygeeto, the 327th Star Corps on Felucia, the 41st Elite Corps on Kashyyk, and the 212th Attack Battalion on Utapau.) Also... DO NOT TRUST SHEPARD!!! (Sorry, had to for the memes.)

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Am disappointed that Shepherd is still a traitor in that other universe. Also, don't diss Commander Shepard.

[@tk-6967]

Doubt it, the way Aayla Secura is presented goes against hard liner Imp propaganda in every way, not to mention that the 501st only send small groups of 100 men to very specific missions, and thinking otherwise is just tunnel vision that naturally occurs while playing.

[@Mr1eeer]

'the beautiful of the yet broken 501st timeline narrator' Whose bright idea was that?

[@akaruhime8117]

Geestly: I will bring peace and justice to my new empire! Generation tech: you're new empire?! Geestly: ... don't make me destroy you. Star wars theory: Geestly, you're breaking my heart. You're going down a path I can't follow.

[@calcady7335]

What if it’s just an old soldier telling tales that have long since been warped by his years of war and aging mind?

[@giouploads9214]

I heard the veterans name was Appo (the clone with the arrow on his helmet

[@zexalbrony4799]

You know, I just realized it's not just Battlefront 2's campaign that contradicts stuff in the Clone Wars. There is a lot of material that contradicts each other during the Clone Wars, and I'm not just talking about Legends stuff vs the new Canon stuff. In Legends itself we had a lot of stuff contradicting each other, like Battlefront 2's campaign, but that's not all. There are contradictions between what Obi-Wan and Anakin were doing right before they returned to Coruscant to participate in the Battle of Coruscant. In the 2003 Mirco series, they were at The Battle of Nelvaan, but in Labyrinth of Evil they were at the Recapture of Tythe before Coruscant. Then there's the thing concerning Anakin's Knighting in Legends. In the 2003 series, we see his Knighting and even see the council debating on whether or not to do it in Chapter 21, and they're doing it after the Battle of Hypori, so you would be forgiven for assuming Anakin was Knighted after the Battle of Hypori, however, the Legends timeline contradicts this. According to the Legends timeline the Battle of Hypori took place 4 months into the Clone Wars, but Anakin wasn't Knighted until 2 years and 6 months into the war. So what did the council debate for 2 years and 2 months after Hypori before deciding to Knight Anakin or they waited that long to actually discuss what happened at Hypori? Either way, it's ridiculous. Ironically enough all that stuff related to Hypori actually fits better into the new Canon, since in the 2003 series itself they never state the actual time that is passing between events, so one could actually watch the first 21 Chapters of the 2003 series, then watch the 2008 series and think it all makes sense because nowhere in the shows themselves do they outright state the time that is passing. Even the minor contradictions like Mace fighting on Datooni twice(once in Chapters 12 and 13, and another time mentioned by Mundi during the Second Battle of Geonosis), or them fighting at Moncala again in Season 4 of the 2008 series after already fighting there in Chapter 5 of the 2003 series can be easily explained as them having to fight another battle on both plantes, after all they had a Second Battle of Geonosis in the 2008 series, as well as two Battles of Felucia in the series plus a third one in Revenge of the Sith, so planets requiring multiple battles is not unheard of.

[@obitwokenobi9808]

I'm surprised they never saw action on Salecami.

[@daltonlocklear4463]

The campaign was made last minute an in 6 months from my understanding, so not a bad job, game developers can take a note or two from that game

[@moderndemon84]

True.

[@ZontarDow]

The game is probably one of the best examples of why Clone Wars retconning the clones as having control chips was a terrible idea that was probably the single worst retcon in all of Star Wars.

[@JohnnyDominion]

Yeah especially withball the novels detailing order 66 and Clones that either outright disobeyed the order or used loopholes to get around it.

[@taylorlibby7642]

The beautiful of the yet broken 501st timeline narrator.

[@anthonyschlessman1848]

I feel like it was written before it was decided the clones actually age faster, also it could just be a combination of quotes from different clones over the years. and even if they already decided that clones aged faster when it was written we see several veteran clones join the rebellion, by the time Hoth comes around it could just be he is one of the last few clones that didn't retire out of the entire unit, at one point he even says "I served with some of these men for 20 years" (or something to the effect of that)