Why YouTubers Don't Leave YouTube - Safety Third 48

[@sketchy5782]

You guys should make a podcast out of this

[@m3dasm2]

Yeah right!

[@smalkglass9869]

novel idea

[@longsnowbros]

Yeah I agree. It would also be cool to have people like William Osman, NileRed and the Backyard Scientist to host? Just spitballing ideas

[@Tornandon]

It is a podcast

[@andresriano988]

@@Tornandon Nahh I couldn’t have known

[@Botaniman]

I downloaded the podcasts and rewatch them multiple times while digging tunnels so each podcast is more like 3 percent of my week

[@00Herobrine]

tunnels are cool.

[@MRblazedBEANS]

Digging tunnels for the cartels? Who's digging tunnels these day?

[@kylelitwack]

Hello tunnel man.

[@jono6379]

@@MRblazedBEANS Gotta get out of prison somehow😆

[@herbstwerk]

@@MRblazedBEANS Colin Furze

[@gsus3918]

The whole idea about it being hard to have friends is 100% normal as people get older. There are TONS of articles about this experience, even before 2020.

[@Real28]

You're correct. It's not just a 2020 thing. 2020 did have an effect and may have made the phenomenon worse but as I've gotten older, my friend groups have gotten smaller. But I did this purposely because as you get older, time as a resource gets more valuable. So I think people tend to see this and then finding and holding onto the people who matter which also means it's harder to bring new people into your groups.

[@JordiVanderwaal]

Nigel: complaining about not being able to make friends on KZbin and barely being able to hang out with his friends nowadays Also Nigel: mentions a different friend every 5-10 minutes Can relate, but I found it funny xd

[@JohnDoe-ex1qn]

I feel like Nigel really was speaking to a common introverts experience throughout the pandemic. Not being famous youtubers though, most of us are just lonely now lol

[@YourMCAdmin]

So, I grew up on old KZbin. Lisa, Zipster, Shay, Kassem, Nalts, Rhett & Link, 5AG, Dave Days, Michael Buckley, KevJumba, etc. I wanted to be part of that group. I uploaded music covers and songs back in 2006, got monetized in late 2008. That world was so different. The barrier to entry is so much higher now. I started a new channel in 2011 and saw how much harder I had to work to gain an audience. Now, it's insane how high that barrier is. Your content needs to be good, your SEO needs to be good, your thumbnails need to be good, your titles need to be good, and the content needs to have retention. All of these metrics didn't matter as much in the early days, and we could just create and be free to explore. For example, "Is it a good idea to microwave this" paved the way for the science KZbinrs, but would never gain an audience these days with the level of production they had. I think that's a really great idea to explore in a series.

[@barryemery9494]

Well not too long ago I was watching will it blend video lol

[@agoosed3281]

The words "is it a good idea to microwave this" just brought back so many memories. Oh my god, how did I forget about those guys? I can still HEAR the intro in my head, even so many years later.

[@cypherusuh]

I mean, its also a sheer luck. take an example of Wendigoon. he was extremely small channel, around 800 subs when I first saw him. his setup arent that perfect, his audio arent that good, his camera isn't industry standard. he's just a guy doing a video about conspiracy theory, which in itself are already tough market to breach since there's other better guy doing it, Nexpo for example. but alas, he gained about 400k sub from that one video alone, and it keeps snowballing until this day. if you look up his "old" video on conspiracy theory series, you'll be able to see how fast the growth is since he always announce sub count at the ending. So yeah, despite it's extremely rare, you could still make home video and be successful on youtube

[@nicolasdschmidt]

I binge watched/listened to most of Safety Third a couple of weeks ago, and I can say it was the best 27.98% of my week!

[@paperairman]

They say someone might watch a video twice, I have watched most of the podcasts 3 times.

[@thedoc99]

You guys should get Bernard back on the podcast!

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

Should have him review last weeks podcast. A bunch of KZbinrs ate dogfood. This is what happened !

[@Tocinos]

@@michaelmoorrees3585 *This is what happened to their limbic system.*

[@coins_png]

@@Tocinos TLDR; they lost every limb in the system

[@blockstacker5614]

Imagine Hacksmith or Colin Furze as guest host

[@Bill-lt5qf]

naa

[@literally_not_kevin]

It'd be interesting to have the larger creators that's part of the Safety Third community come on for a segment to talk about this shift in old/current youtube. Get Dapz on here.

[@airventli]

dapz would be a cool gust

[@That_Chemist]

As someone who started making content about 6 months ago, I have definitely been grateful to see the rapid growth of my channel, but I had several things going in my favor - 1. I had time to work on videos, 2. I had a close friend who was a youtuber (ImKibitz) who helped me get started, and provided lots of helpful discussions, and 3. I read Derral Eves' book.

[@jacobarcher1097]

I got recommend your channel after watching some explosion and fire videos and they've been great, I used your retrosynesis videos to practice for a job interview recently and I managed to get get it so thanks for that aha

[@gnatdagnat]

Hey it's that chemist! 😎

[@burntalive]

You know I didnt even realize it. I forgot william used to have cameraman john! Was kinda fun back in the day having that imaginary discourse with the camera lol

[@donutsorelse]

I would definitely be interested in a video about all the new youtuber stuff. There are however many billions of videos out there, but I'll see the same video recommendation twice on my screen without even scrolling sometimes. I'm just starting off in the world of KZbin and am in the same genre as you guys (more so William - I make varied stuff but usually it's goofy robots/coding stuff), so that would be an awesome watch for me.

[@BarneyCodes]

As someone just sort of starting out/dabbling with KZbin I really enjoy hearing your guys takes on the state of things. It's really fascinating and insightful to hear! Definitely a good 0.6% of my week

[@RavenTheVelociraptor]

Don't be afraid that people won't care about a video you put effort into. Not everyone wants to just be entertained. A human story is genuinely engaging.

[@KickCaesar]

my week instantly got 0.6% better when this was uploaded

[@bradleychamblee5860]

I love this video. I listen/watch you guys very often and love all these of your content. When you mentioned about not being able to fully articulate how you stress and feel about what you do and people not always getting it relates a great deal to me. I'm a pastor, and not trying to get overly religious or start any arguments, but I on any given week, lead two - three studies, and preach two sermons. I am creating all this 'content' so to speak on a weekly basis and it seemingly not only never ends, but is constantly on review by others. Because, honestly, it is. I appreciate you guys immensely!

[@user-ef8lg3xc4f]

this is the best 0.6% of my week

[@smellycat249]

1:30 I’d say I honestly get pretty happy when I see a new podcast from yous guys.

[@McLovinMods]

Kevin: how do you pay your bills? Nigel: That's a good question 😅 (I hope they don't ask about my underground meth operation)

[@vaga4239]

Y'all make my week! I listen to you guys while I meal prep for next week!

[@mariamm8713]

6:17 Nigel's joker laugh

[@envii666]

I have binged like 12 episodes of this podcast this week, and I can say it has probably been the best 12 hours of my week. FTW

[@Hman9876]

This is definitely one of the hours of my entire week

[@armstrong4425]

I think something that has really changed in the “new” creator space is that now a lot of creators come to KZbin with their following from a different platform. 10 years ago if you were starting KZbin, you were probably starting to grow an audience completely from scratch. Now it seems like once you get popular enough on a different social media platform, the next step is to start posting (even if it’s just the same short videos) from other platforms onto here. For some creators, KZbin became their complementary platform for the long form versions of their other platform’s content.

[@Real28]

LOTS of gamers bring their twitch audience to YT and lots of people who did video game videos for YT took that audience to Twitch and supplemented with live streams.

[@MekaPaladin]

Dude... it's subtle but if you pay attention... Nigel has killer fashion. Check that jacket out!! He has killed it in multiple videos

[@drnapkins1]

A lot of creators like to give the whole speech that anyone can just upload and do anything, but it's very, very daunting, and it's a completely different environment than what a lot of popular Creators started with. KZbin, Twitch, even TikTok is a different beast than what it started as. Coming in as a newbie, there's so many expectations that general audiences have. People expect you to be a master editor, have the ability to do everything well on the first try, etc. It's definitely more difficult to start out these days, especially if an upcoming Creator wants to make content that doesn't fit what's "trending."

[@neatwing2285]

Will: Pikachu stary night sweater Kevin: Pikachu shirt Nigel: leather jacket from the Outsiders glad to see the boys all matching

[@diamondguy0229]

I’m glad someone else noticed

[@ownthore]

Lol I was going to ask if they wore the Pikachu shirts on purpose.

[@thedorito5434]

Why Nile looking more and more like Nile Green every time i see him?

[@skaterboi69]

this is genuinely the most interesting podcast as its random conversations instead of a set out criteria

[@tbillington]

It all changed when KZbin rewind started featuring late night hosts, and the algorithm kept constantly pushing those videos. I'd love to see a history of KZbin series William. Would be great to talk to the faces of KZbin over the years and get their stories.

[@saintsakura_]

i do love this podcast~ I hope it lasts a long time, I've listened to many of the episodes multiple times. I look forward to it! The patreon is also worth it. Thank you guys.

[@djbassaus]

As far as community engagement and closeness goes, there's simply more creators and content than the very early days of KZbin where there were a handful of superstar creators compared to now. I'm subscribed to 54 channels currently, and even if I binged all their content I couldn't possibly watch every video they produce in my lifetime.

[@Real28]

When you step back and think about the shear amount of content being created in this age, it's absolutely mind melting.

[@dashiefiles]

Lol I’m subscribed to like 800 people

[@ElOroDelTigre]

I love the evolution of Safety Third - it's becoming a really professional thing.

[@Superwoodputtie]

William said "I feel the bar is so much higher" . This feeling might be coming from a lack of self worth. Like if Will uploaded a vid and no one liked it, would it be ok? Back in early youtube there was no preasure for Will. Whether folks liked his vids or didn't, didn't matter. He was just having fun and who cared. But now Will is a "successful youtuber". His vids being good and liked by folks is part of what he does. (And I think if he didn't do good he'd be up a creek financially) So I'd think that would be very stressful. Like if Will does well he gets to keep money, a house, bills getting paid, and doesn't have to worry about money stress. But to be a "successful youtuber" he needs to keep the comment section happy. Do bigger and better vids. More elaborate science. I imagine his brain is probably like "yeah, that's pretty stressful. I'm trying to avoid financial stress, and video stress, so I'm gonna do the bare minimum." (This is just a guess by a dude on the internet. If it's not the case, no worries.) But Will is big enough of a person that I'd he wasn't a youtuber, he'd probably still be ok. Like he'd still get to hangout with his friends. He'd do projects and dick around. He doesn't seem like a megalomaniac, so if no one knew who he was, he'd probably be ok with that. I think Will needs to figure out how to be a "bad youtuber". Like be ok with making short junky vids that no-one would like. (I think folks would actually like those. Folks watch his vids for him, not the big shit he does) It makes sense that he'd be worried about failing. He's had job and money stress in the past. But if Will isn't in the past, he's now. Hehas skills and connections to keep himself afloat even if he did a lot less. Anywho, just my thoughts. Best of luck.

[@LuxO2__]

This is my favorite thing to listen to at work so it is the best .6% of my week. And by God did I need it this week. Thank you all for being awesome.

[@KindaDrake]

Will, in terms of the “living with Mr. Beast video”, even if you’re the only person who’s interested about the old KZbin section, you should still include it. Me, a very small creator, interviewed a very small musician about their album and even though it didn’t pull numbers, I was glad I made it. You should post what you want to regardless of what your audience wants.

[@thedorito5434]

How is that Nile's house... dude works and lives chemistry

[@Sour_Ink]

I think the feeling Will is having is universal for everything. Like people miss their days in the war, but they really are missing the bonds they had. Also, as we get older we just arnt as stary eyed as we once where. Thats not a bad thing, we just know more, and have experienced more. But people have a longing for that time where everything seemed like a magic mystery

[@aidanclark196]

41:56 oh I watch a lot of your guys' videos specifically over again frequently. Definitely every video that each have each made in the last like two years I've watched at least twice, most three or four times...

[@HeinzeC1]

When William was asking about what story to tell: I don't think people watch youtube because they want to be youtubers. People who want to be youtubers watch youtube. If your goal is to make a video people want to watch, ask yourself why people watch. Maybe some people would appreciate a how to guide, but for me; I watch videos for the personality of the presenter combined with a light amount of learning and a heavy amount of exploration.

[@isaidromerogavino8902]

I was getting the same vibe, but if you look at the comment section, there is a fair amount of people discussing their experiences about being/wanting to be creators, so maybe he is not mistaken. Also, it was kind of strange when Will said ".. but they might not be watching it for the reason I want them to", or something like that. IMO he can't control that, so he should worry about it. Anyway, hopefully he feels better by exploring his ideas, or maybe taking a break, whatever he needs.

[@HeinzeC1]

@@isaidromerogavino8902 Your quote from Will is, I think, the same point I was making. He wats to make a video about the ins and outs of being a creator to bennefit society in some way, but I think most people are going to watch it just because he is the one putting that video out; not because we actually care what the content is (we do, but to what degree). We'd watch almost anything he puts out.

[@isaidromerogavino8902]

@@HeinzeC1 yeah, you prob right. I must admit to not being a long time fan of Will, simply bc never had any contact with his content until very recently (I came to know the podcast from NileRed/Styropyro) but the few last videos he uploaded were definitely my kind of stuff, so most likely people are gonna watch whatever he puts out there (more so, when it is related to MrBeast). However, it makes me curious what is it that he wants to achieve with such project, since he doesn't seem to be completely sure on it. Let's just hope it is as great as he aims it to be.

[@MacManChomp]

Nigel needs to post more videos. My withdrawals from Nile Red content are too much to manage.

[@SkylorBeck]

I described KZbin to my SO by saying "I feel like I'm standing in a crowd of people who are all waiving and screaming and I have to somehow get your attention through it."

[@VinegarPotato]

48:45 that sounds like a fun way to do KZbin, meeting friends along the way as you are building towards a video.

[@Anthrofuturism]

As a new creator my experience is the audience is much more demanding of quality which is hard for a lone person on a budget learning basically an entire industry from scratch but then at the same time society is much more forgiving of "trying to become a youtuber" since it's now seen as a valid career.

[@DustinRodriguez1_0]

A couple things. First, it appears YT has, very recently, like within the past month or so, changed something in the algorithm (whether intentionally or not). I have been seeing tiny creators and videos with a tiny number of views being recommended to me on the front page very often. I've run into people on Twitter claiming exactly the same thing. Personally, I love it, and the reaction I saw on Twitter from other people agreeing that they've been seeing it too has also been positive, so hopefully whatever metrics YT is trusting over top of what people actually say (which they definitely totally ignore, otherwise they wouldn't have decided to make the "Subscribe" button little more than a placebo) lets that stick around. Second, about the long-term consequences of having a 'perfect algorithm.' There is book called 'A Drunkard's Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Everyday Lives'. It is very good. It doesn't deal with YT specifically, but deals with a couple different creative fields, book publishing and movies. In it, they explain that the public response to creative works is purely random. Which it is. There are no 'patterns' to be discovered. No one is a 'tastemaker'. No one 'knows what the people want.' Those things are (IMO, this reasoning is not in the book, they attribute the randomness to the audience being different every time, which is true, but that doesn't explain why the industries invent these myths, which is what I'm about to claim) because people in those industries, television programmers, publishing company executives, heads of movie production companies, etc CAN'T admit that it's just random. Imagine going in for a promotion and saying "hey man, I'll take my shot, but its random so even odds I fail." That person doesn't get the promotion. The bullshit artist who swears they have a 'bold new vision' gets the promotion. That's how you end up with wrestling on the Sci-Fi Network and them changing their name to Syfy. It's how you get reality TV taking over MTV. It's why despite the numbers conclusively proving that the "hot streaks" and "cold streaks" these creative industry executives lay claim to are available, they are never given heed. People FEEL that putting big-name movie stars in their film increases the odds it'll make money. They think Titanic and ignore Waterworld. They've revised their own memory so they don't remember the innumerable movie-industry magazine articles swearing that it is an absolutely guarantee that Titanic will implode for x, y, z before it came out. KZbin is the same. The audience response is perfectly random. There is no 'perfect algorithm' because the audience is always changing. Both entirely different sets of individuals make up the viewership AND even when it's the same people, those people have changed. Their interests have changed, matured, are informed by everything from world events to their own lives to consuming meta-style content on the platform about the platform. Also, unlike with heroin (cocaine or meth would be a better example, btw, and those are better direct dopamine-with-nothing-else drivers, especially meth, than heroin. Meth directly targets dopamine receptors, essentially, while opiates target endogenous opioid receptors which some of them do result in dopaminergic action but there are a bunch of different kinds of opioid receptors and they do other things, that's why overdoses caused by the laws forcing people into unregulated black markets kill people through suppressing their breathing while overdoses from cocaine result from cardiac events or stroke), what stimulates dopamine is different for everybody. While videos that explore the fundamentals of software construction and systems engineering turn my crank like little else.... most people don't give a shit. I have never watched a Mr. Beast video. I have never watched a Paul brothers idiocy-fest. I may have watched 1 Casey Neistat video at some point, I don't really recall. I've watched every video about depression-era cooking from the late Clara Cannucciari. There IS no perfect route to a persons dopamine pathways through creative expression. Period. And there never can be. People and their life experiences are far too different. What the YT algorithm is optimizing for, also, excludes anything not advertiser-friendly. I dearly loved tvfilthyfrank. I dearly love now Brandon Rogers. Those kinds of things are things YT says people are "not supposed to" like because it's not milquetoast boring drivel targetted at a 4th grade comprehension level like USA Today articles. YT intends to eventually, I believe, restrict the platform to creators they can have direct creative control over. I think that is its inevitable future, and then it will just be supplanted by something else. Eric Schmidt's book "The New Digital Age" basically proscribes that. The book argues, essentially, that because Google is rich, that means they "Won", and that because they won it is their social responsibility to actively manipulate global culture and take that power out of the hands of those who 'lost' by being poor. So they seek to ossify global culture and freeze it at the level it was at when they originally rose to prominence. Social developments and changes which occurred after that will be disallowed. If every human being on planet Earth had an epiphany and decided to not worry about nudity any more, Google would make absolutely certain that this could not be communicated and it would not change their platforms. You can guarantee it. It wasn't OK in the early-2000s and as far as the corporate gigabehemoth is concerned, it will always be thus. Same goes for any other set of social norms, nudity isn't special, I just picked it as a visible example.

[@pigeonsoul1672]

I personally enjoy episodes with three people more than the ones with 3+. Not always the case, some episodes with more people were just as good - but people tend to talk over each other more when it's more people. (duh lol) I vividly remember Kevin starting a really interesting thought, getting interrupted- and never finishing it a few episodes ago.

[@EatingRawKoolAid]

I enjoy listening to this podcast ❤️ I work the closing shift on thursdays so its nice to have company 😊

[@nedmacallen]

I honestly do get bummed out when you guys miss a podcast upload, during your Japan trip you had me itching for more haha checking to see if I had missed an upload.

[@TreesPlease42]

11:00 don't forget totalbiscuit, dodger and Jesse!

[@lexywildchik]

13:14 I would be really interested in following you through the process you are discussing. I have spent much of my life on KZbin and am deeply fascinated in the evolution of the people and the platform, I appreciate the perspectives that you would be able to bring to the topic.

[@jeepspeedracer]

I am 31, working on starting a channel, almost got the same degree as William. Still have a full time job which is Making it hard to get my ideas started. I hope to address a lot of the things I've noticed wrong with being on KZbin. Hopefully I'll be on your podcast someday.

[@AndrewRyan11]

Dare to dream

[@Noah-Davis]

This is by far the best percent of my week.

[@TheDahakon]

You guys were talking about friendships changing over COVID lockdowns, and honestly Will saying it just masked changes that would otherwise happen at that point in your life is hitting the nail on the head. You hit an age where your job becomes a career (whether that's KZbin or otherwise). Your social life becomes family life. You spend more time on what matters to you at that point in your life, then you realise you miss some of the things (or at least the memory of) that you stopped doing as much.

[@NolieRavioli]

i listen to this podcast 168 times in a row (or at least until the next one comes out) every week.

[@imoutodaisuki]

9:30 the auto-generated captions shuts off and started again at 9:52. Does youtube know the context and attempted to blur the names?

[@mf--]

You guys should ask creators to guest on the podcast as part of the community building strategy. Zack Freedman, the tech builder with the custom monocle teleprompter would be perfect to test that.

[@vhoul]

I just started trying to take KZbin seriously, I watch back what I've created and think, "This is unwatchable garbage." I've spent weeks on my current project. It's not like I can just upload it, I have 34 hours of footage. Feels good to know that bigger youtubers are aware of my pain.

[@Adrianzx]

I've seen a lot of people with lockdown guilt, people wouldn't host public events of generally less than 10 people because "if one person got sick I'd feel terrible" but a lot of those same people would travel internationally get the co-vid and then show up to other public events. So to me they were not concerned with getting people sick but the perceptions from others about not getting people sick.

[@TekuSPZ]

Pressure, negative feedback, KZbin evolving and getting higher in quality just got to me. I can't beat the guy doing KZbin video for three months with after school time. And I expected more from my videos, because everyone else was getting better. That is why I quit making KZbin videos in 2013. I can't imagine to beat quality today in 2022.

[@Big-boned_Pikachu]

18:19 I want to hear both! 44:41 this is exactly what makes it hard for me to do creative work. I love playing music. But I only really truly enjoy it when I'm working with someone else. I like doing creative stuff with people. But I don't end up doing creative stuff because I'm alone. Pandemic did not help this lol

[@Official_Nigel_Simp]

this is genuinely one of my favorite things to watch every week

[@MichaelSuperbacker]

This is my favorite 0.6% of the week!

[@Hal-I-Gator_Art]

I mean, to be honest this podcast *is* lowkey the best part of my week lol. Love it!

[@nul00000OOO]

Can confirm making videos on youtube now requires a lot more self-motivation just because of how hard it seems like the landscape is to get into. Having been making videos myself on and off for the better part of the last eight years, I definitely had a lot more motivation when it seemed like a minecraft video I made on my laptop could get anywhere near the professionalism shown in the videos I watched myself. Admittedly I was like 13 so they weren't even close back then, but even now with more ability to create and more interesting things to make videos about, getting into it now still seems almost impossible without getting extremely lucky, whereas in 2016 it felt in some way possible. The only motivation I have had for it within the last year or so was if it was external motivation like for a portfolio or something.

[@ClimbingEasy]

Algorithm: here's a bit of more anecdotal information to look out for: Who else has found once they subscribe(not alerts) to a channel the algorithm stops serving up that channels videos in the feed?

[@BelindaShort]

The algorithm has always been shit for anyone who didn't directly follow trends or there aren't things that you can easily cross reference. I'm constantly finding creators years after I searched for those specific types of things on here and was always shown the same few. I only happened on other channels years later when I would have preferred to see them when I looked for that content.

[@sirksees]

we're all afraid of each other now. All so unsure of ourselves

[@Weirdomanification]

Yes

[@SkylorBeck]

I myself am a fledgling KZbin Creator. I have no idea what I am doing. My success has felt randomly obtained. I want to make easy content, but I expect myself to make quality like the people I watch. I feel like I'm wandering in the dark most of the time. I also do not feel like there is any community. There is no way for me to easily communicate with any other creators. My algorithm has trapped me in a corner.

[@mishield1234]

I can't speak for everyone but personally I would love to see you live with Mr. Beast as a catalyst for a conversation about youtube as a platform and its history

[@BrotherMingGames]

Wake up babe new safety third podcast just dropped!

[@dylanhorkan]

I love it when people talk about the evolution of YT please make that video will

[@Catchcheese]

This is, unironically, the peak of my week.

[@patrickchase3307]

.3% of my week is this podcast thanks to 2x speed BABY.

[@lostshot]

I accidently went to a random time-stamp and it was just William confidently saying "heroine gives you everything you need" haha 22:30

[@bizarro420]

21:51 The isolation is real, and I feel the reason is the algorithims in searching and all recomended videos is "too smart". Its almost impossible to go through a chain of videos like you could in the old days and get from a science video to a youtube poop and then to a comedy sketch video, instead I have the same creators and videos, even ones I've already watched constantly showing up on the side. Feels very stale and boring, like, you watch one police interagation video, guess you'll be stuck with those for the next week. Edit because William just mentioned how "perfect" the algorithim is. And thats what I mean, its jsut too good at finding stuff, to the point where just turning on a regular TV feels relaxing because I'm not being forced something, its what is on is on. I also am having this kind of issue with things like netflix, where inmstead of watching something I'll just endlessly scroll instead of just seeing something without having to think about it.

[@__rikaisuru]

Regarding your worries William regarding the first half of this podcast, KZbin itself was the one dismantling its own strong community. Remember KZbin rewind? It felt before that it represented most users of KZbin. Then, slowly, it turned to pandering to sponsors / the normies / consumers. KZbin is now at the height of its capitalism, wholly devoid of personality, and only a soulless platform full of ruthlessness. The genericity of the videos, the algorithm’s propensity to create echo chambers (what Kevin said as being stuck in a single bubble of KZbin), leads to the heroin analogy; that videos that can’t retain users (by being Flashy, Grandiose, and Expensive) are no longer worthy.

[@__rikaisuru]

This is a multi-faced problem. People’s beliefs, standards, and desires have been changing. For example, this desire for a sense of “community” feels like an “Old Man” problem, but it really isn’t. It’s just most people nowadays _no longer_ crave physical connections and have a sense of comaraderie.

[@__rikaisuru]

In my opinion, as someone who values your thoughts (everyone in this podcast) There’s a certain extent that a narrative of a video must be generalized enough for a general audience. That is essentially required for “success” in the Algorithm. However, as a casual fan of your personalities, I much prefer of course your honest thoughts regarding the matter (this is still talking about the first half of the podcast). If it’s a serious video, and you (William) want to air out your honest thoughts, don’t try to conform it to the general public for the sake of the algorithm. Again, like your “art” analogy, I think a deep retrospective tone about KZbin’s history, in regards to yourself-as a creator, as an individual with lots of connections to other creators (such as your Mr. Beast footage), as the “bridge” between “Old School KZbin”, “The Golden Age of KZbin” (Content Cop, Filthy Frank), Pewdiepie’s rise (Gaming), the Adpocalypses (the first sign of KZbin being an industry that no longer feels like a community and outlet for creativity), and finally today’s landscape of pure dopamine-infested echo-chambers-will be quite an interesting video, for a certain type of audience, and will give the topic enough adequate justice. Of course, there’s an inherent bias to all of us here. Because we are only aware of a very small “fraction” of KZbin. To outsiders, your opinions will always sound “complaining”-because they don’t understand you or the entire context anyway. There’s a lot of “bubbles” in KZbin. Story-time animators. The Memesters. The Video Critiques. The Education space (which you belong). The Anime space (which Trash Tase belongs). The gaming space. The tech space. Politics, News, Artists, Traditional media, Edgy content, multiple niche communities, &c, &c. I mention all of that, because all of those “bubbles” also had their own niche histories, greats, inspirations, cliques, inside jokes, and communities per se. I think, in general, desiring for a “KZbin” community is a fool’s errand, not because the notion of a “community” is absurd, but because “KZbin” is only a platform. It is the creators and fans who should create their own communities depending on their specific interests. I don’t like how KZbin is acting as if it is merely a platform who has no hand in spearheading communities (unlike before, when KZbin actively participated and even personally helped content creators such as Hank Green and Crash Course). Not to mention how the platform itself inhibits personal connections-aka, you can’t DM fellow content creators. This is what is very sorely depressing. If someone is to start being a “KZbinr” now, if you don’t have the necessary connections, skill, and pure sheer luck, it will feel as if you’re only screaming on the void all by yourself. That’s why I can understand why William meeting Nigel on Vidcon is such a memorable experience. Without such an organic catalyst for human interaction, you won’t even become friends. That’s what social media generally lacks, but it’s much worse in content-generation sites such as KZbin and TikTok. Safety Third for me represents this very niche “science-engineering” hybrid of a community of creators, even if you have some oddball guests such as Tom Scott (who leans more on the traditional “Educational Content” similar to VSauce, Kurzgesagt, SciShow, &c). This “community” is special. Though William’s videos tend to be the most personable, and the rest mostly only deal about the engineering/chemistry/science. That’s why William’s audience won’t necessarily be disappointed about yet another sad and depressing personal video (or at least I hope so, but that’s only my opinion.)

[@nesnay1364]

y'all are like tied for my second fav weekly podcast

[@ericbell9540]

This is literally one of the only podcasts I regularly listen to.

[@waffleiron7420]

This is the best almost hour of my week, every week

[@davenz000]

The sad thing is that people, including the current panel are afraid to try new things because it will cause "the algorithm" to demote their current content. I'd love to see creators like Cody'sLab continue with his, ChickenHoleBase (a.k.a Mars Simulator project) but it seems like that's not so popular so Cody can't pursue it without sinking his channel. KZbin has got to the point where it actually sucks.

[@JBuhr]

Raytheon is definitely about to recruit Kevin to help design their next knife missile.

[@MagicalDefender22]

I get so excited seeing a new video publish. Best .6% of my week I can spend

[@lollerbetties]

The point about the effect of covid on collaborations is so interesting; I follow people on YT and Twitch and I've actually seen the exact opposite happen on Twitch. It used to be one person streaming single player games and now it's actually multiplayer streams that get more views.

[@KARR]

The trending category, what a joke that has turned into

[@newt_wizard]

Jokes on you guys, I rewatch all of these so it actually takes up more than a percent out of my week. This one started autoplaying over my earbuds and I knew after half a minute that I hadn't heard this one before and it must be new. Thanks for all yall do!

[@lesgoshooping6695]

NILE IS DRIPPED OUT!

[@dhbroad]

Joke's on you! I watch at x2 speed! So it's only 0.3% of my week!

[@papabaddad]

Will could upload a video about him cleaning his toilet and i'd watch it. Your choice in video topics is what got me to click, but what keeps me watching is your personality and style of covering whatever it is

[@deelaneenn6677]

i love how the podcasts end. its kinda peaceful

[@Zestran]

As someone who is a small KZbinr in 2022, I’ll say that it does seem harder now then it would have been in like 2010-13 or so. Not too sure cuz I wasn’t really active on KZbin at the time. But they problem I have personally is it’s hard to compete with bigger channels when they Do it for a living so that is their job Vs someone like me who does KZbin on the side while working full time. Also the fact they big channel often have a team of people Helping with things like editing so they can pump out content fast and more regularly. I think with the really high quality standard large channels like mr. Beast can be intimidating because you feel like you need to complete with that and that’s just not possible. But that also means it’s harder for people to want to subscribe to your channel because there are way better options out there that have way higher production value and consistency. I don’t think it’s impossible for new channels to become huge today, but it’s definitely harder just because there is more competition

[@newtome-jessegates6310]

I’ve run through all of these podcasts three times.

[@PoschSpice30]

KZbin is bigger than one big community than it used to be. it's a group of niche communities depending on what the genre of video they post

[@TheThriven]

I stopped this video at about 19:30 and proceeded to create the KZbin channel I've thought about for about 12 years. Not promising myself I'll upload something immediately but it's been created.

[@benbullis7165]

I listen while playing video games.

[@xentropian6341]

I fucking love this podcast. It’s unpredictable and chaotic and it embodies everything I love about you guys.

[@mipko]

I still think there is a lot of space for that "junky" type of start... people loved youtube for its realnes and for their personality and exactly for that fealing of "I can do it as well" ... Nowdays I have fealing that youtube start to look like normal television network and it is distancing lot of people. I beleive there is still lot of hunger for that "junky" one men operation, not polished at all approach to making video and people would still love it. And you have much more eyeballs as well.

[@felipedidio4698]

Nigel looking good

[@e10110]

this is the best 1 hour of my life every week!!

[@jakass]

Hearing how much of my week this occupies game me depression Thanks gang

[@Tardisntimbits]

I would be really interested in seeing you go down this route, William. I may be biased, in all fairness, because I have friends who have been longtime, small audience youtubers/streamers. It's also kinda funny, it seems to me internet oersonalities and retail workers have a bit in common. We're both expected to swallow our real emotions, plaster a smile on our faces, and be grateful we have a job in the first place. What a sad, strange thing to think about.