William Osman Had a Pet Squirrel - Safety Third 46

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Safety Third is a weekly show hosted by William Osman, NileRed, The Backyard Scientist, Allen Pan, and a couple other KZbin "Scientists". Sometimes we have guests, sometimes it's just us, but always: safety is our number three priority.

[@JeffBrower2]

"don't trust me in a high pressure situation" is the funniest joke nigel didn't even mean to make

[@Dinini]

For sure an on purpose pun but no one even laughed

[@WangleLine]

lmao

[@A.BrandonAlford]

This podcast is 50% Dangerous Shit, 50% KZbinr Therapy, and I’m here for all of it.

[@rdg0983]

Will-You just survived a category 8 hurricane Kevin-Oh I thought u meant the squirrel attack

[@MrHeroicDemon]

Not gonna lie, thanks. Copy pasting this as I send the link to people made it easier to share.

[@rdg0983]

@@MrHeroicDemon no problem

[@gsus3918]

Quite an opening lol

[@chaschuky999]

I like how it’s Kevin’s second venture into the world of rabies, classic.

[@jchrizzy6995]

I’ll surprised there hasn’t been more ngl, also 69th like

[@henriquelopes5080]

I think getting rabies is part of the classic "Florida man" journey... Kevin is just following his local traditions...

[@yeti25934]

Florida man gonna do Florida man things

[@AKtoTok]

Man deals with rabies like it's the common cold 😅

[@AKtoTok]

@@henriquelopes5080 😅

[@Cockerham]

To coerce helium into a liquid at 30ºC you would need to pressurize it to 16,600 psi.

[@williamosman]

King

[@TPK_MAKG]

@@williamosman no you

[@tacobuns4085]

does it not just deposit to a solid tho?

[@thom_ass_]

@@tacobuns4085 yeah so I have this code from on old class I took to calculate saturation pressure according to deviation from ideality using the peng robinson equation of state it can’t calculate a saturation pressure at 25C leading me to believe it’s solid at thag temp bc the preos can’t describe solids only gasses and liquids

[@weabowoshi]

Ouch

[@auzzierocks]

Hey Kevin, network technician here. The reason you still had had fibre internet during the hurricane is likely because your fibre connection is using GPON, a passive, no electricity needed system. ADSL, VDSL and CATV copper-based networks need power to amplify, convert to fibre, split or modulate the signal from the phone exchange or CMTS to your house. your fibre is just all light being split and combined using optics and wizardry. even if a copper customer on the other connections had power at their house via generator, the street boxes, amplifiers, modulators, exchange etc would also need power along the way

[@endless2239]

GPON being wizardry confirmed! those old ladies taking down 5G towers did nothing wrong. illuminati or something /s

[@garbagetrash2938]

I'm a SOC analyst studying for my Network+, this is super cool!!

[@auzzierocks]

@@garbagetrash2938 there are active home fibre networks too that do need active amplification and distribution, but they're not as common for residential installations, only for commercial stuff

[@FasutonemuMyoji]

NileRed at 56:15 on Supercritical fluids: "This is not my Specialty" Also Nigel: Spends all of winter 2019 building a steel and glass pressure vessel apparatus to film 3 minutes of supercritical liquid CO2 footage while making aerogel. 🙄😜

[@schhhh]

to be fair if it was his specialty he'd just be doing that but literally all the time

[@MetalManiak93]

Do a Mark Robber mock of the squirrel course in Florida with rabid squirrels powered by gas generators

[@crispy_338]

Gas powered squirrels 😂

[@alexbutler1944]

I really want to like this comment, but I cannot disturb the 69 likes

[@gabotron94]

But it has to be during a hurricane for full Florida

[@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin]

I can't get the thought of Nigel standing in a T-Pose with squirrels orbiting him like some kind of rodent god out of my head. As a matter of fact, I *_don't_* want it out of my head

[@phillipmaciejewski9872]

kevin repping crime pays but botany doesnt is the crossover i needed

[@aspaceproductions]

I watch this podcast so I can pretend I'm learning something. When most of the actual educational discussions leave my brain immediately lol

[@MerelyFlowers]

So a bunch of people commented on the earthworm skinner video that they came there from Safety Third, and the uploader replied with "There Is No Danger."

[@carolinea5792]

Can you post the link?

[@davidprokop7898]

@@carolinea5792 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX3dma1_d9prj6c

[@pyrobeav2005]

I did not think I could be grossed out by disemboweled earth worms. I was wrong. You have been warned. Link to the earthworm peeling machine video: kzbin.infoKLzhzIBu8YE

[@reilukeras]

wtf

[@God_Yeeter]

I’m so thankful that I’m naturally desensitized to things like that

[@FlintSparkedStudios]

Why did the music make it so funny to me

[@robind506]

the hyper obscure item with the EXACT dimensions you need can only be found in southwestern china in a back alley, being used as a footrest. good luck getting it.

[@bczarrockbeast6264]

My wife worked at a vet and had to help the vet cut a saint Bernard's head off for rabies testing. It scared her for life.

[@ebbaw01]

Aw man I can handle the thought of dead animals, but as soon as it comes to dead dogs … sounds like a nightmare

[@Mireaze]

Did they use a huge guillotine?

[@Cockerham]

Jesus.

[@westie430]

No thank you😳

[@rukhtalos8587]

And once again, I feel like my decision to not go into animal medicine is vindicated.

[@doctorshatethis_7541]

I like the episodes where they seem to forget that they are doing a podcast 🤠

[@robertcook5380]

I work in spacecraft design and processing and your helium story is literally what I live. Imagine like 6kpsi at like 1000cubic feet. It's insane the logistics on these pressurized gases

[@Harrison.13]

Such an underrated podcast, what a banger episode

[@HoodJigsaw]

I love how the Among us figure is done and now something else is being made behind Kevin

[@Troublewm]

I love how Kevin survived the hurricane but cares more about a crazy squirrel attacking him

[@themathics-yt]

I like how and where they do this change from time to time to mix it up

[@hello-ji7qj]

Buying crude oil: It seeps out of the ground naturally in Los Angeles near the La Brea Tar Pits. The buildings in the area have a problem where it collects in their basements. So they have to pump it into storage tanks and transport it away. You could probably talk to a building owner or maintenance guy and get some. Or you could just go to the tar pits. There is a park where the oil just comes out randomly. Like watch where you step because there can be a oil puddle.

[@breewaldenwomanizerforlife9341]

is crude oil eatible

[@hugonamenlos7218]

​@@breewaldenwomanizerforlife9341yes

[@collinwelch757]

I really appreciate the conversation about the pricing of mechanical tooling, repair, service, and production. At the start of this year I had no idea how any of that worked, but having worked in basic hydraulic repair and hose production for 6 months, these things are shockingy expensive.

[@moonliteX]

this is easily my favorite podcast/webshow/talkshow whatever ... liie best from all of those categories and more.

[@stevenclloyd]

the talk of BTUs in natural gas is true. you could be off by 100 BTUs per cube foot (mostly methane some ethane and lighter stuff). I was told in a gas heating class that you had to call up the gas company and ask them what their BTUs were that day. the instructor said you will be on hold for a long time and they probably will not have a answer for you.

[@Takariiii]

Just finished the Patreon extra and this came out! Yippie

[@ApostleOfCats]

I just watched the earthworm peeling machine and I am horrified

[@NicksGotBeef]

Where did you find it?

[@davidliimatta3684]

@@NicksGotBeef kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX3dma1_d9prj6c I'm sorry

[@jakass]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX3dma1_d9prj6c

[@jumpingSpiders]

@@NicksGotBeef search for earth worm peeling machinery, it’s the first result

[@greenad1993]

@@NicksGotBeef kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX3dma1_d9prj6c&ab_channel=WisdomofHuman

[@sofiau3252]

Thanks for another hilarious podcast! These always make my day :>>

[@totallyafromthisuniverse7096]

William Osman + 🐿 = best buddies(and rabies, probably)

[@bczarrockbeast6264]

= squirrel pox lol.

[@hohohodrigues]

@@bczarrockbeast6264 one very *small* furry and cute pox

[@zachheilman784]

20:00 "The environment is nature's bin" - Tom (Explosions&Fire)

[@WangJangles]

I swear these podcasts make my day

[@bustin1253]

I'm pretty sure anything above -250 or something it goes super critical which means it's just about as dense as liquid form but it fills the container like a gas

[@andresaofelipe]

So, according to the van der waals gas model, to fit the same amount of helium inside a CO2 cartridge as there normally is CO2, you're going to need to pump it to 66 MPa. Which is would not require any crazy wall thickness, probably an inch of mild steel would already do the job, but you still have to get one hell of a powerful pump to overcome 66 MPa. And yet, this equation is merely a model, so expect the pressure to be slightly different. Converting it to psi, you get about 10,000 psi which, sure, is doable, but its probably gonna get really fucking expensive

[@kevinberry2917]

I haven't seen any video's pop up in a long time, Glad I came across it.

[@zerodivisionbmp]

Came over from my podcast player just to see the sticker. I don’t know what I expected…but I’m not disappointed.

[@LouiesLog]

I loved this episode and nigel. This is not nigel, infact I would be lying to claim I am nigel, but my love for nigel is no lie

[@HubcapPointOutdoors]

Squirrels have mites in the south Eastern states during this time of year it can cause big open sore where they scratch themselves

[@RND_ADV_X]

If Kevin appears on the podcast next time wearing an oddly squirrel sized hat and asking the audience to send nuts...

[@loganjsmith_]

8:30 you can plug your setup into a UPS for surge protection and battery backup. Should be able to span the gap for the generator to kick in. I use one to protect my 3D printer against power outages

[@gibbysfate6469]

I was laughing very hard at the music playing in the background of worms being shot out of that peeler.

[@rlricksterson]

Mexican fan who comment on I don't even remember what episode: thanks, yet again, for doing this podcast:) I just can't get enough of it. Once I stop being a broke student I'll subscribe to your Patreon, guys, promise!

[@itamiozanare]

Rodents almost never carry rabies. The main vector of transmission is bites and rodents don't tend to survive those sorts of injuries. Also their short life spans means they're unlikely to incubate rabies either. Rodents can carry other diseases though, worth going to the doctor for.

[@RND_ADV_X]

I hope Kevin sees this... Or that he's good at natural immunity 🤔

[@tweatification]

For a mock research project one year, I made a whole project about replacing helium with hydrogen. It ended with proposing to petition the government to ban candles and really anything with an open flame within a 50 ft radius of a party hat.

[@locknes]

I've not had to deal with this for a hot minute, so grain of salt: Fiberoptic cables are typically armored and depending on the technology used, don't need to have nearly as many repeaters installed. Copper lines need to have a repeater, usually at the end of a street or at the entrance to a development, and are susceptible to interference if the copper itself is exposed to liquid (Due to it interfering with signal integrity). Both sets are typically run underground. There was some discussion a few years ago about allowing ISPs to use telephone poles for internet lines (Common Carrier thing back in 2010s), but I'm not sure what the state of that is at this point.

[@epicthief]

Animals go crazy in storms, had a raccon knocking at my door during the last storm

[@thatgreenguyplayer2]

Thanks, now my google search history includes the "Earthworm skinning machine video".

[@Jaco9307]

i cant believe they actually talked about science for once at the end there

[@Lexon3096]

The earthworm machine is litteraly the imagery I think of when I think of man-made horror with little to no use

[@stewartliyyle5015]

Kevin's got that crime pays but botany doesn't merch 🔥🔥

[@JWC249]

Underrated channel

[@g3nd4y]

There are lots of places/property owners with small defunct oil wells that you could definitely get some from without having to buy a 55g drum

[@NicksGotBeef]

Great episode guys. Love these podcasts.... bit biased as I'm into fluid dynamics.

[@that_flight_guy]

I remember when I got power back, 2 weeks after I got back in my home, 6 months later. Perks of rebuilding a 2 million dollar seawall lol.

[@AntonyScerri]

another fun mix of stories that multiplier is the calorific value of gas

[@real.bingus]

my favorite squirrely boys

[@jankcitycustoms]

on the generator; higher engine rpm does not mean higher fuel consumption. it's all about the load. plus, the governor on generators keep the engine at one specific rpm and adjust fuel based on load.

[@Oosh21]

Critical point temperature of helium is so low you'd never liquify it at room temperature regardless of pressure.

[@calculatedrisk5463]

1 liter of liquid helium expands to 750 liters of helium at 4.2 k if you assume no expansion from the 4.2 kelvin to 300 kelvin (room temp). Than at minimum you would need 750 atmospheres.

[@ajsparx4133]

Super conductor go *brrrr*

[@brauchmernet]

Helium has a critical point of around 5K (-268C). Above you can not liquify it, at any pressure. Also Helium has no supercritical phase. As mentioned by will it goes suprafluid at 2.17K where it looses all inner friction and can creep out of containers or climb walls.

[@calculatedrisk5463]

@@brauchmernet talk about beating a dead horse, he already posted the video lmao.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

Will should know about natural gas storage, due to the Porter Ranch incident, in the San Fernando Valley, near him, only a couple of years ago. As far as crude oil, its sometimes, under pressure. Sometimes not. Look at all those oil pumps, all around the Los Angeles area. When I worked in Gardena, there was a fenced in pump, on every block, and the associated buried pipelines, to the refineries.

[@JGnLAU8OAWF6]

We also pump water underground for aquifer recharge or storage.

[@PlaneShaper2]

I know someone suggested a PSI to achieve room temperature liquid helium, but I think it might be incorrect. From a cursory search, there is a 2017 paper in the Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics regarding experimental shock compression of helium into the 1+ TPa range (150+ million PSI) and it seems to suggest that helium goes from gas to plasma.

[@watphodinner8164]

To answer Will's questions: 1. How high should we pressurize Helium at room temp to liquefy it? The answer is n/a (there isn't a pressure high enough where you can liquefy Helium at room temp). This is because the critical temperature of Helium is 5.26 Kelvin (i.e. the max. temperature where liquid Helium can exist). Room temp is approx. 25 Celsius = 298 Kelvin, which is way above the critical temperature of Helium. Pressurizing Helium at room temp will only get you a supercritical fluid (i.e. a "gas-liquid hybrid" which is not a liquid, as what Nigel shared in his supercritical CO2 video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKTPqYOgp7Ktp7s). 2. How high of a pressure to get the same moles of Helium in a standard 16g CO2 cartridge? The answer is ~6500 psi which will blow up the CO2 cartridge as it holds CO2 only at ~900 psi. Using ideal gas law (we can do this since Helium compressibility factor -- i.e. measure of how far it deviates from ideal gas law -- is close to 1 even at high P) and taking the values (16g CO2 = 0.36 mol ; T = Room temp = 298 K ; V = 21 cm3 from various CO2 cartridge sellers), we get ~444 atm or ~6500 psi to get the same amount of Helium in moles of CO2. The 16g CO2 cartridge can hold ~900 psi of CO2, so we will blow up the cartridge if we fill it with the same amount of Helium in moles of CO2. 3. (Bonus) How many moles of Helium will we get to fill the CO2 cartridge without blowing it up? How many in grams? Less than one-seventh of the original moles of CO2 (~0.05 moles of Helium), or in terms of mass ~0.2g (i.e. less than 1% of CO2 mass in the same volume, temp, and pressure 😅) From (2), as 900 psi is approx. less than 1/7 of 6500 psi, and keeping everything else constant, using ideal gas law we can immediately see that 1/7 pressure -> 1/7 of moles or ~0.05 moles of Helium. Taking the molar mass of Helium, we can easily convert this back to the mass and obtain the ~0.2 g of Helium.

[@epicblake6829]

The earthworm peeling bit has to be the funniest thing I have heard in a long time, had me laughing for a while

[@beeoat1223]

Watching this after my chem exam and we were literally talking in class about what would need to happen for Helium to be turned into a liquid.

[@bmitchizzle]

The owl turd got me so good.

[@FukaiKokoro]

William, the earthworm people want you to message them. I read the comments and someone said they should sponsor you and they where interested in you messaging them. It maybe a fruitful venture. Ahahahaha

[@carolinea5792]

I'm dying from morbid curiosity to see the earthworm video. Can you link it? I am not having any luck with Google.

[@andreortega2691]

@@carolinea5792 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX3dma1_d9prj6c

[@FukaiKokoro]

@@carolinea5792 kzbin.infoKLzhzIBu8YE?feature=share here it is.

[@mechofdeath1504]

kzbin.infoKLzhzIBu8YE?feature=share earthworm vid

[@bDwS27]

@@carolinea5792 earthworm peeler first shorts result, the music they use is surprising. kzbin.infoKLzhzIBu8YE?feature=share

[@rekeyable]

Kevin said I suck . Brb taking his polaroid off my fridge.

[@SafetyLucas]

Putting liquid nitrogen in a steel container wouldn't work very well as a bomb (at least as a small one) because the gas could only expand at the speed of sound and it would cool as it expanded, which would reduce how hard it's pushing the steel pieces apart. Not only do the explosives in bombs expand WAY faster than the speed of sound (RDX detonates at Mach 24 for instance) but also the rate of acceleration, called brisance, give high explosives breaking power, that helps to fragment the metal casing. And Nigel is right. Helium has no liquid phase at room temperature, no matter how high the pressure gets.

[@TheBackyardScientist]

Yeah I pretty much came to the same conclusion about the liquid nitrogen bomb halfway through that thought haha

[@JacobVanBuren]

High quality content guys

[@literally_not_kevin]

Some scuba gear gets up to 10,000 psi but its a heavy af carbon fiber steel composite. 16.6k PSI for liquid helium would be wild to store.

[@sativaburns6705]

You guys almost hit on it. Project Rulison in Colorado. They used an underground nuke to mine for natural gas. It worked and also made the gas radio active...

[@LamGK]

That earthworm video is WILD.

[@Hercuhorse]

Generac backups and most propane/LNG generators have 2 fixed fuel consumption rates. Consumption isn't based on load, but flips up to a higher fuel profile after a watt amount is surpassed. No idea why. Generac specifically makes a propane HOME generator that provides 800(?could be wrong) A max, and it costs like 2300 a day to run.

[@DerStoeppel]

its because earthworms are full of sand an dirt, you can only get rid of it slicing it the long way... Also the water cleanses the insides same time as lubricating I thing! BTW, I will never eat any kind of bug

[@ApricotStone]

But why???

[@tristanmuzzy9222]

Nigel's right about it being a supercritcal fluid at room temp. I checked REFPROP (fluid database) and at 300 kelvin, in order to reach the dencity of liquid He (100 kg/m3) it needs around 86 MPa (12500 Psi) of pressure, but it wint have the properties of a liquid

[@tristanmuzzy9222]

Nigel listed the critcal temp, but didn't mention the critical pressure of 2.2 bar, above both, helium is going to be supercritcal when bought in a tank. inreasing the pressure does increase the dencity (mostly) linearly, but thicker walls give deminishing returns in terms of max load vs mass of tank

[@106640guy]

helium is made from alpha decay because alpha decay is literally helium, and it is used a lot for MRI machines to cool the superconducting magnets in there

[@ft6637]

By the way, they get Helium from the air. There is this Linde Prozess, which is basically liquefing air and then split it into it's parts ot get the good stuff....

[@106640guy]

40:00 he is not allowed to say it but he is talking about the automatic **** milking device.

[@danthemonkey307]

thankyou, how did you know?

[@chronold1246]

No patron support from me haha, love u guys channels and the podcast

[@TehMuNjA]

so the thing with phase diagrams there are first and second order phase transitions, first order is the normal one you think of which is a discrete change from one phase to another like water freezing or boiling. first order transitions are lines on the phase diagram of temperature vs pressure that separates the two phases. a critical point is when one of those lines just ends in the middle of a phase diagram. because the line ends you can go from one phase to another without crossing the line, by going around the critical point. this is a second order phase transition because where you start and end are regular gas/liquid phases but you have to somehow continuously transition between them, ie pass through a supercritical fluid phase. the critical point is a particular temperature AND pressure, not just a temperature. just look the phase diagrams, there are different paths through the 2D phase diagram by changing temp and pressure and you cant always just substitute low temperature with high pressure

[@qu765]

I have a friend who's dad owns a businesses where they are the most successful businesses in the world to make a very certain type of heavy machinery, the machines that exclusively prints labels onto paper egg cartons. My friend works for hist dad and spends half of his time on his phone, the other operating massive drills and sand blasters to carve gears and stuff.

[@apalladium5k]

We do delrin at the shop I work at. Part of the cost goes to the engineer who drafts the paper work for the machinist. Then I technically get a piece of that to maintain the machine.

[@funsizebitesize]

"buying stuff is so expensive." -William Osman

[@illiteratebeef]

Kevin got that CPBBD drip.

[@ruggerzeke2234]

I haven't seen the answer in these comments but this seems to be the answer At normal atmospheric pressure helium does not solidify. At 25 atmospheres of pressure helium is a solid at 0.95 K. Helium can be made solid at room temperature if the pressure rises to about 114 thousand atmospheres: that is a pressure of 1.67 million psi, or 834 tons per square inch.

[@steubens7]

airbag force would really mess up a phone, the envelope is set to slow like 800 pounds applied by the face & upper body before it deflates. a springloaded case that unfolds could do a lot

[@Calthecool]

59:27 Politician moment.

[@cobytang]

I don't know if Kevin knows this fact and that's why he brought it up, but using nuclear bombs is actually a legitimate way to stop natural gas leaks. What you do is drill a hole next to the source leak pipe, lower a nuclear bomb to a specific depth, then detonate it. The shockwave it creates underground will collapse the leaking pipe, thus sealing it, and the wind blast it transmits to the surface can also blow out any burning natural gas fires. To answer the question of why can't we nuke cyclones/typhoons/hurricanes, it's because they are just way too damn powerful. The energy of these storms are measured by the energy released in nuclear detonations. I've heard that one of the US east coast's hurricane has more energy than every single nuclear weapon on earth. So you can't just blow it out with a nuclear bomb, it's like blowing out a forest fire with a leave blower.

[@videogamescoverftw]

Fibre lines are in fact underground, beside being more weather resistant it also prevents the light from blinding everyone nearby if the cable breaks. This is why you need to be really careful not to hit a line when digging a hole as you will go blind and won't know until a few days later when your vision starts to go. It's also not on the visible spectrum you you can't tell anything even happened

[@ZanHecht]

In my area the fiber lines are strung on telephone poles along with the cable lines. They're not going to blind you unless you stare directly into them at close range.

[@videogamescoverftw]

@@ZanHecht these are probably really specific cables, hanging them on poles gets super expensive and they have to be maintained especially in winter. It's probably lower power local lines or something that needs to be accessed regularly. Also don't encourage carelessness for something you haven't worked with. A fracture in a high power cable can be dangerous up to 15 or 20 feet away. Plenty far enough to be dangerous to someone who has no idea what's going on, though most modern cables are being installed with a system to automatically shut them off now some still don't and you should be careful

[@kinexkid]

Styropyro has one too!

[@Norweeg]

A rabid squirrel? 🤣 JK, I remember seeing his squirrel friend on one of his recent videos.

[@junkman13100]

You're bringing me back to a dark time in my chem degree...pchem

[@MrHeroicDemon]

This is my favorite podcast. WILLIAM EXPLAINED IT PERFECTLY. 57:00 mah boi, you put it in words that I couldn't fish out of my own brain. "Yeah it's poisonous and it can explode, so..." lmao okay some people are just happy knowing one of those things, yeah just why not have both bruh lmao.

[@nwimpney]

There is no actual phase Chang occurring with a supercritical fluid. Below the critical point energy will be absorbed as the gas liquifies, and there will be a liquid and gas layer. If you just compress the gas, it’ll eventually get to the same density as the liquid would be, but it’s still just a gas with an insanely high density. Applied science has some awesome videos showing off co2 as it’s heated past the critical point where the density of gas and liquid is the same, and the boundary just disappears

[@-a13x-75]

Helium is used to keep stuff like superconductors super cold for things like NMR and MRI machines

[@David-bs6bv]

Salt domes is where we store gas in louisiana

[@slashtehflygon1722]

Earthworm castings are used for gardening

[@dtf6ez240]

Yay, I love you William Osman!!!!! Totally not a simp.

[@thefittest9921]

The pressure would be equivalent to having to poo while being stuck in traffic on a hot day with no AC

[@redstonewisard]

25:30 - I believe that it was FEMA- but they put out a report on using nuclear weapons to stop hurricanes. It's definitely worth looking at.

[@blockstacker5614]

damn, how many innuendos did this episode even have?

[@whatbroicanhave50character35]

A PC with a beeft graphics card is going to use 400-600watts depending on the rest of your setup. That's 2-3 fridges.